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Blue Pill ExampleStory I heard today from a girl (self.TheRedPill)

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Went to lunch with this girl and knew a bit about her backstory, older dad who passed on, and mom still around. She starts talking about how she was going in for a physical and was doing some research on her family history for her checkup, because she had a half-sister that died of cancer in her 20s. So she continues with her story that she calls her mom asking about kind of cancer and her mom brushes it off saying, dont worry about it. Why not? Keep in mind this girl is 31, dad passed away over 10 years ago. Drops this over the phone: Hes not your real dad. Mom was cheating on the breadwinning dad, got pregnant, the real dad didn't want anything to do with it, mom didnt say anything to dad because, why should she, right? he wont pay/take care of someone else's kid. Que a man who lived his entire life and died thinking that was his daughter. Daughter isn't mad at mom, because why would she be? Good times...good times. How was your day RP?

[–][deleted] 334 points335 points  (46 children)

This hurt to read. But at the same time, made me swallow a few more Red Supplements.

[–]too_long_didnt_read 178 points178 points [recovered]

AWALT. They are genetically pre-programmed to use deceit to get what they want. A woman's entire life is just a long con to lock in the best security and status she can for herself and her offspring.

Only a fool would trust a woman.

[–]laere 72 points73 points  (23 children)

Only a fool would trust a woman.

Man I remember in past relationships I always had a gut feeling to never truly trust the girl I was with. I would tell my bro's about it, and they would give me the "trust is a big part of relationships" spiel. I went with it, and eventually got burned. Lesson learned.

[–]Strike48 13 points13 points [recovered]

New here. How are we supposed to enjoy a relationship with a girl if we can't trust her? Seems like an enemy stance would make the relationship very unenjoyable.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (1 child)

It's better to not think of it as a matter of trust or lack of trust, as such. Understand the typical predictable behavior and allow for it. You can love a woman while understanding her. It's like, you might not leave a cake on the counter with kids around, but you still love your kids.

You have to be more responsible than popular media says you should be, by taking charge of your life and your relationship. Lead and set expectations, rather than allowing her to do whatever she wants. Not in a controlling way, but in a benevolent way. Again, like with kids.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It's like, you might not leave a cake on the counter with kids around, but you still love your kids.

Man, that's a great analogy.

[–]1MarcusDavidson 16 points17 points  (5 children)

How are we supposed to enjoy a relationship with a girl if we can't trust her? Seems like an enemy stance would make the relationship very unenjoyable.

"How can I ride a bronco if it keeps bucking? How can I train a lion if I cannot pet it?"

You work within the limits of reality. Broncos are ridden because men stopped treating them like ponies. Lions were tamed because men understood the need to establish dominance.

Don't start a relationship from a position of suspicion and wariness. Start a relationship understanding that to a woman:

  • "long-term" means resources
  • "sex" means "wild" and "new"
  • "I love you" means "I need your time/resources"
  • "loyalty" means "I will cheat on you, but I will protect your ego by never telling your friends."
  • "love" means financial security/emotional tampon
  • "boyfriend" means "The guy I want everyone to think I've got wrapped around my finger"
  • "marriage" means "baby daddy who pays the bills"

You can always trust a girl to be a girl. She is not lying to you. She is operating out of her girl framework.

[–]kamenr 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"You can't trust Melanie but you can trust Melanie to be Melanie."

-Ordell Robbie in "Jackie Brown"

[–]TheReasoner94 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The sex part I don't get, what do you mean by sex to a woman means wild and new? In my experience it's ended up the polar opposite after a while.

[–]1MarcusDavidson 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I don't means the sex gets wild or kinky, far from it. They like the feelz (wild) from a new guy (new) over the stable feelz from same old boyfriend.

[–]TheReasoner94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh I got you my bad. Great points by the way you pretty much hit the nail on the head with every one of them, solid advice that all men should look at. Then the man has to ask himself with that knowledge in mind is a LTR really worth it with a woman? Personally I don't think so, and as soon as another dick has slid up in her vagina (whilst she's with me) she's dead to me.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's the same with us (men) though. "Only thing better than pussy is new pussy."

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Think of your girlfriend like a cat. On some level, your cat is not loyal to you -- it's just not in its nature. If you stopped putting out food, it would be gone for good in about two days.

Now, that doesn't mean you can't enjoy the cat. Cats are enjoyable pets. Just don't trust a cat to have your back.

[–]Entrefut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don't hate a wave for crashing on you and you also don't expect it never to crash. I read an awesome analogy in one of the books on the side bar (so many that I can't remember the title at this point). The author compared men and women to surfers and waves. Guys are the surfers, women are the waves. Women are a vast ocean of enjoyment, but just like everything in life they can leave you washed up and defeated on shore. If you plan for lies, misdirection and random crazy mood swings, you'll always come out on top. If you put too much faith in her and don't rely on your own skills to navigate around her, you're going to die a beaten up old man.

[–]waylandertheslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trust has to be earned. You can almost always trust someone to act in (what they think is) their best interest, but that's about it. Remember that the other person in the relationship is just that - another person - and that there are some situations where they will lie to you, so don't depend on them telling the truth. There's an old saying, "Trust but verify".

[–]flexiblehold -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We must learn to trust the nature of women rather than women themselves as individuals. AWALT, i.e. women are hypergamous, all women are and will always be, as sure as they have vaginas. A sufficiently alpha man with strong dread game will so command the mind and spirit and emotions and sexual urges of a woman that she will not likely look elsewhere for provisioning and security. The only trust is in yourself as a bamf, if you can become one.

Even then, if a billionaire with game and the looks of Brad Pitt decides he wants to fuck her you're doomed.

[–]ChrisBenRoy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Last relationship I was in, I went into it with the mindset to not get jealous over things as much as I had in the past, and let her get away w/ way more than I should have. Cheated on me with at least 4 different guys. All is good though, that relationship laid a blueprint for me of every single thing NOT to put up with and I won't ever do it again.

[–]flexiblehold 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those are probably the same bros who told you "being vulnerable and confessional to your woman is important," or "it's okay to cry in front of your SO, that makes you a true man."

[–]Anderfail 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Nah you can trust because living life while being that paranoid is no way to live. What you should do is always follow "Trust but verify". This should be how you treat everyone no matter the person or sex. People who willingly give trust to people they don't know always get burned.

The fact is, if you're a fucking pussy and come across as a bitch, people will walk all over you and take advantage of you in every way they can. This is applicable to everyone you will ever meet.

Basically, trust your instincts, never blindly accept anything, if someone violates your trust remove them from your life, and let someone prove themselves to you rather than the other way around. My default is not trusting people. I keep everyone at arm's length until they prove otherwise and even then I rarely ever let my guard down.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Ever watch The Walking Dead? It's actually not a show about zombies. Lots of people hate the show because there's too much dialog and not enough zombie killing. Those people are stupid. It's an examination of what humans actually are when you remove civilization and all the protections and authority that go with it.

I watch it entirely from this framework and it's changed the way I view other people in general. I view everyone through the lens of "what is the desperate apocalypse version of this person"? Honesty, accountability, courage...these attributes have real meaning in a situation like that. You would never trust a stranger unless they had absolutely proven themselves to you, and if you're really taking things to a logical conclusion, you'd still be checking them periodically when the going gets especially tough.

In the context of TRP, If we were all out on the road or in the woods, with only our smarts or strength in numbers to protect us, AWALT would be insanely and undeniably well-pronounced. Everything we discuss here would show in an almost exaggerated way.

[–]Anderfail 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It's not just AWALT though, it's everyone. There are loads of men who would just as soon stab you in the back to get ahead. Humans are not the altruistic species people like to think it is. We are animals through and through and can be every bit as ruthless and brutal as any other animal on this planet.

TRP follows AWALT, but the fact is AMALT is true as well. Men are every bit as much of a slave to their instincts as women and we are just as capable of being pieces of shit. This is why posts that incite controversy here don't bother me (such as the cheating posts and such). It's a kill or be killed world, it's up to you how you deal with that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And imo those are not the kind of men you want to be friends with, me and my best friend including other great friends since childhood would just band up and stab others rather than eachother because we are men and we can comprehend loyalty, while for example a women will jump to the better ship at first given oppurtunity.

[–]kamenr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is very apt. I think if one were to fault the show's writers it would be for not playing up the AWALT and sexual politics aspect of the Walking Dead scenario.

[–]vakerr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honesty, accountability, courage...

Acoountability and honesty are almost the same. The correct list is "Strength, Courage, Mastery and Honor". (review)

[–]Sabetsu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is VERY solid advice. Thanks for sharing this view.

[–]prodigy2throw 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Only a fool would trust a woman.

Words to live by

[–]TheReasoner94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well said, I live my life by that rule. Which is why i'll be a bachelor my whole life as I don't believe any woman is capable of true love or being faithful. They all leave you in the end, when you consider that fact along with all females character traits you begin to realise what nasty little vermin creatures women really are. Just always remember women are not for loving, I compare them to the forbidden fruit. It may seem uncontrollably tempting, especially when she's using all her female "charm" and giving you all the right signals, but once she's got you she will lie, argue, cheat and treat you like crap until she's eventually bored of you and hops onto another dick (100% of the time always someone with more money and higher status than you). Do the right thing, don't fall for the forbidden fruit.

[–]BurnYourFlag 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I think its a bit optimistic to exclude men from this category we all use deceit to are advantage women are just naturally better at controlling/noticing body language therefore they can lie with impunity. I have tried to increase my ability to manipulate body language in order to be more machiavellian

Only a fool would trust anyone

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 14 points15 points  (2 children)

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. the establishing of civilization implies the need for trust. From the first cavemen that slew the saber tooth tiger by working as a team, trust was necessary to survive. Without people you can trust you have nothing in life. I have at least 4 male friends (and my dad) I can trust with my life. As for yourself, sure you'd be smart to learn how to deceive, but that doesn't mean you can't be reliable for people you choose to ally with.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Men trust men because we are aware that breaking trust has consequences. Or at least it should.

[–]lIlIIIlll 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same applies to a man though. Men lie all the time to get what they want.

A better aphorism would be "trust, but verify"

[–]2johnnight 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Doesn't move me anymore. I'm no longer shocked to find out there's bluffing going on at the poker game.

[–]PlebDestroyer 54 points55 points  (2 children)

Is your friend's name Dee Reynolds?

[–]InfiniteBauer 31 points32 points  (3 children)

I'm sitting in a constitutional law class right now, and we just brushed over the level of scrutiny for classifications against non-marital children as a group. My flamingly liberal, aggressively lesbian ConLaw professor brought up an anecdote about her genetics prof friend who had her students test themselves a few years back for practice. She delighted in telling us that ONE THIRD of the class found that they had "issues in paternal legitimacy", and she followed it up with an extended full belly laugh like it's still the funniest thing she's ever heard. I thought it was pretty timely that I just opened up this thread.

[–]grachuss 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Like one third of the class was actually bastards?

[–]RojoEscarlata 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and that shit is way more common than you think.

If you know any nurse or doctor that works in pregnancy and delivery, you could ask them, for another very real dose of the pill.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

she's probably a sad lonely person. why do women find others suffering so funny, but cry and demand sympathy when something happens to them? do they have any empathy?

[–]Dark397 97 points98 points  (23 children)

Ouch! Maybe I am paranoid, but I think one should always ALWAYS get a paternity test, even if you believe you know her and trust her completely.

[–]Alarid 54 points55 points  (2 children)

Still pushing for mandatory paternity tests. Knowing the actual father is pretty important for a healthy kid.

[–]fuck_da_haes 42 points43 points  (0 children)

This would be sooooooo much fun to see in reality someday. Also the "Male Interruption" when you are able to leave woman with her child on all levels with one paper, fair is fair right? If woman is able to get rid of her "inconvenience", why not the man?

[–]newls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hah! I'd like to see that day. I can picture the op-eds in the New York Times and The Guardian by some feminist about how relationships are based on trust.

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[–]Bascome 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Some parts of the world this is illegal.

[–]GarandTheftAvto 1 point2 points  (3 children)

If you're referring to the few EU countries I'm thinking of, its not necessarily "illegal," per se, you just need to get a court order to do it. In practice, getting the court order is near impossible. In any event, not sure where its flat out illegal.

That being said, its horse shit the state would try and stop you from forcing them to pay the BB bucks instead of yourself, even if the child isn't yours.

[–]Bascome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Hey if it is really all about the child judge, you make more than both of us... you pay for him." Is something I have always wanted to say in court....

[–]Entrefut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Getting access to a lab, or a friend in a lab, or a friend who knows a guy really isn't that hard. Probably harder to get steroids than it is to get a "black market" paternity test that could potentially save you an entire life of raising someone else's kid.

[–]bluedrygrass 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sure. Just to show her you're not one to be fucked around.

[–]Entrefut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's great is that you can mask the test in alternative reasoning. Getting genetic information about your child's health is a great reason to take them in for blood tests, mommy will never know and you'll forever be able to sleep at night.

[–]enkae7317 149 points150 points  (21 children)

Fuck that. Spent your entire life fathering a girl that isn't from your bloodline with nothing to show but a cheating whore.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 78 points79 points  (13 children)

Beta genes removed. Alpha genes added. Cheating scheming woman genes added.

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[–]CrazyLeprechaun 8 points9 points  (4 children)

You and /u/MattyAnon aren't entirely wrong, just take it from someone who is finishing up a biochem degree that genetics don't quite work that way. There aren't genes for "cheating scheming women" though there may be genes that predispose women to that general kind of behavior, and there are always other factors.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What would you know!? You're just a crazy leprechaun!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Give the Selfish Gene a good read. The whole "there are no genes that code for specific behaviors" trope has been tried and defeated

[–]CrazyLeprechaun 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The concept of the selfish gene has far more to do with rouge genetic elements including proviruses, plasmids, or Alu repeats that replicate themselves by various mechanisms with no benefit for the fitness of the organism, though not necessarily at its detriment. Read the book again and I challenge you to find a passage where Dawkins says that "gene X codes for behaviour Y" without making some kind of qualification that it is actually much more complex than that. He won't say that, at least not about animals, because no respected scientist would simplify the connection between genotype and phenotype so recklessly.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He talks about it a lot at the beginning of the book. He says that its trivially true that we are not able to pinpoint a specific gene that codes for a specific behavior, but he writes as if we can. It's a model that works, even if the underlying details are more complex in reality.

We know behaviors have a genetic basis and it's easier to write "the gene that codes for altruism" than to waste space every paragraph with disclaimers.

[–]Corndog_Enthusiast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nature v nurture. The nature aspect will always be there, hence AWALT, but this kind of behavior is increasingly acceptable in modern society, only bolstering the numbers of cheating wives and girlfriends in the world.

The only place I expect to find a woman who can somewhat suppress AWALT tendencies is on an Amish farm. I'm betting that if I find a potential wife, she's going to be a deeply religious, conservative woman, raised by a strong father or father figure.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's a part of the red pill, the sadness of how the dynamics actually work in real life. But eventually you accept it. I'm sad that lightning actually strikes down and kills people from time to time. It's not fair, but such is life. But I understand that it can happen, and do the best to prevent myself from being struck by lightning.

[–]daprospecta 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The guy could have been alpha. Do you believe every single alpha male gets a paternity test? It's a messed up situation but you can't judge the guy off not knowing. I've read stories on here even of guys who are said to be alpha but got duped.

[–]jcrpta 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I've read stories on here even of guys who are said to be alpha but got duped.

AF/BB breeds a false dichotomy, artificially splitting men into one of two camps.

There are levels of alpha, and there is ALWAYS a man who's a bit more alpha than you around the corner.

[–]redzorp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't forget that a woman with an alpha can also just as easily cheat with, and even branch swing to, a beta - if his bucks are big enough.

And vice versa of course.

[–]updock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And the daughter you raised wasn't even crushed to find out about it =/

[–]Entrefut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Makes you wonder what % of fathers actually father their own children.

[–]bluedrygrass 70 points71 points  (10 children)

The most important aspect of the story is the fact that the daughter sees nothing wrong in that. Of course.

[–]1aguy01 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Yep. Women logic does not take reality into consideration. It just feels like this should be okay, so there ya go. Bet she n her mom had a nice brunch that week.

[–]boscoist 5 points6 points  (2 children)

No. its extremely logical. Its a case of I'm going to protect me and mine and ensure they have the best provider I can secure. That doesn't make it right.

[–]jcrpta 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Its a case of I'm going to protect me and mine and ensure they have the best provider I can secure. That doesn't make it right.

A man would automatically include his SO in the category of "me and mine".

A woman, rather less so.

[–]TheReasoner94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are devoid of any true love or emotion that's why, once the childs born you're dead to her, your only purpose is to provide. This is why men should procreate with multiple women and never stick with the same woman, because when she eventually loses her love for you she'll resent you for no reason at all and cheat on you as much as she can, such vile little creatures are women.

[–]TheReasoner94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Such subhuman animals but hey, that's women for you.

[–]Jigsus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think she is too happy being disease free to care about anything else imho

[–]dohgar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah this is really weird.. But I had something familiar in my family. My mother and father cheated on each other and divorced.

Suddenly my older sister hated our father for cheating on our mom, but was somehow completely ok with the fact that my mother did exactly the same...

[–]TheReasoner94 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Shes a woman that's why, they are quite the subhuman being.

[–]Entrefut -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You'd be subhuman for expecting any different.

[–]TheReasoner94 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't though that's the thing.

[–]Shade_Raven 44 points45 points  (5 children)

Developing daddy issues at 31, brilliant.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Maybe a stripper job is in her future?

[–]rockymountainoysters 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Stripper job at 31, brilliant.

[–]moresmarterthanyou[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the body, but not the chest.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 47 points48 points  (13 children)

Since paternity fraud will never be made illegal, maybe we should just criminalize adultery again.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 19 points20 points  (0 children)

How the hell this is not at least fraud I have no fucking idea.

Oh wait... for the children.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

So with Marriage 2.0, all the benefits of marriage/divorce, the power it holds such as alimony and child support always hold up, but under fraudulent terms on her part to gain said benefits, are all essentially meaningless.

Like am I taking crazy pills?!? You can fucking commit fraud to break a binding contract, and still get the rewards the contract YOU DESTROYED demands?

What the fuck.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Exactly. And people are shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YOU, fat 70% of men in their 20s & early 30s are unmarried.

[–]Entrefut 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The second I see some marriage material, I'm getting married. It's a good thing my marriage standards require that she has a horn, can fly and shits rainbows and pot roasts.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i don't talk to adults that much but i guess we can't expect people to understand why. they don't have the ability to critically think.

[–]psycho-logical 8 points9 points  (7 children)

Why should adultery be illegal?

Paternity fraud should be illegal. Adultery definitely shouldn't.

[–]drunkandstoned 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Why should adultery be illegal?

It is the breaking of a contract - when your capitalistic society founded on contracts allows breaking them (with incentive to, in the form of alimony) in one if its fundamental institutions, things are fucked.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree that paternity fraud should be illegal, but since it's almost exclusively a crime committed by women there's no way in hell it'll ever be criminalized. Thus the only way to really punish women who do this is by creating a law that is all encompassing.

[–]1oldredder 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Always good to add 1 more data-point in backing AWALT.

[–]my_redpill_account 14 points15 points  (2 children)

This and many other similar stories of infidelity with women, add a dash of AWALT and you got a big FUCK THAT for marriage. I'm not putting my assets at risk.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

But what of my bloodline? God fucking damn feminism to fucking hell. Fucking ruined the planet and humanity will be fucked as a result. All because men wanted to listen to children.

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[–]destraht 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I like living in Eastern Europe (mostly Ukraine) and I will probably knock up a girl here one day. I'm thinking about getting TWO paternity tests just to try to filter out the corruption, ie. woman bribes the doctor with $50. Its just possible here so that is what she would have to do for me to be that big family guy here.

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[–]Easih 1 point2 points  (0 children)

when you live in a poor country/are poor you would think differently.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

holy shit that doctor would deserve to be put through some Saw games, and I wouldn't feel sympathy for him at all.

[–]destraht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its just a risk, although probably small. I'd just hate to be the guy who "fell for that one". Also I could see the amusement of a doctor making not very much money at all to feel justified that an American is taking care of one of their local pure bloods. I'm sure that the woman would be incredibly offended though. If she was feeling extremely dedicated to me then she might end up being crushed by it. I might just really shop for the right doctor first and only do it once. I definitely wouldn't use her doctor.

[–]Dark397 38 points39 points  (2 children)

Plus, his real daughter is being cheated out of half her inheritance.

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[–]Dark397 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hahaha true, assuming she had no kids of her own, overlooked that.

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[–]jcrpta 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In many Western countries, acting like you're the dad for any length of time is enough to ensure that in any subsequent court dealings, you'll be stung for child support. Even if you subsequently discover you're not the biological dad.

So yes, paternity testing is definitely wise.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Gtfo. Amazing: the attitude of mom and daughter.

[–]TruckerJohn 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Holy fuck. That's brutal... I guess it's good he never found out rather than during his daughter's battle with cancer or something, but that's fucking rough.

[–]xc43 3 points3 points [recovered]

This is the most disgusting thing I have read. I can believe, I simply am shocked. I am glad to have read it. It reinforces my view that women in general are childish, are not to be trusted, do not respect "abstracts" concepts like the breadwinner, they only respect what their feelings dictate they must fear right now. That is just stupid.

Poor man, that father. Then again, it might have been his fault for being too BP.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They only respect options.

If you do not have options that you are likely to exercise, then you have the same value as a faucet/tap: you provide something that is necessary for life, but are not respected because you have no choice.

Viewing the world in this way gives women the most value for the least effort and allows for endless exploitation of others. Adding a layer of obfuscation over the top of it hides how brutal and straightforward this is.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I had an argument in another thread where a woman found out that her brother was only her half brother. They were doing some genetic testing and that's how they found out. They debated telling their father about it but felt that it would only cause problems and that he doesn't really have a right or need to know. Why rock the boat?

I told them how selfish they were and that when he finds out later through some other way he will only feel even more betrayed. Betrayed by his cheating whore of a wife and now betrayed by his children for perpetuating the lie.

After I point that out people downvoted me and attacked my point of view. The thing to learn from this is that as a man you mean nothing. You don't mean anything to your wife or girlfriend. You don't mean anything to your children. You don't mean anything to anyone at all. You are a figurehead they put on their car. You are someone that takes care of their problems and makes them feel good about themselves and safe in your arms, but you are not entitled to any respect or love in return.

On the opposite end of that spectrum women are automatically respected and loved by society. We protect them and baby them. We give them the benefit of the doubt and trust them when they don't deserve it. This is the inner programming of men and women. Men are disposable and women aren't.

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Reverse the situation in some way and it's: THE WOMAN HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW!!

No rights for men, though.

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[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey there little guy. Welcome to the discussion. I have seen way more people support women in cheating on their husband than not. You are right that there are children who care about their dad. It is probably the only people who would truly care about you as a man but given the choice they choose mother over father unless the mom is a total cunt. Even if the mother was horrible I have seen far too many people defend her and hide it from the dad.

I get that you are angry because my story doesn't match your experience but if you look around you will see a shit ton of examples to back my side up.

Also telling me to grow a pair of balls is really silly.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 22 points23 points  (11 children)

  1. If her step-sister died of cancer, that would not indicate that she would have a family history of cancer (they are not related, they are only step-siblings).

  2. What is the take away of this story? Does it surprise you that a woman would lie to acquire funding for her family? Deception happens in many forms, ie. single mother charms a man into marrying her and taking care of her and her kids or woman gets knocked up to secure her marriage to a man.

The bottom line is, women will treat you poorly if you have nothing else to offer other than money.

[–]spacebanana0 26 points27 points  (7 children)

To me it's surprising that the "father" wasn't told the truth even as he was dying. As he was dying this woman was still pretending. I mean that's fucking grade a cold.

Then again I haven't finished the sidebar yet. Maybe I should be expecting that kind of behavior.

[–]Robert_Walker 30 points30 points [recovered]

It's probably not that she's cold, her hamster most likely protected her from the uncomfortable thoughts she'd have to be aware of for her to be cold. It's an easy one.

I don't want to hurt my man, if I tell him then it would upset him terribly, I can't hurt him like that...

And when he was dying, that rationale would have simply been stronger than ever.

I would wager that the thought of "The truth is important to him, he would want to know, he wouldn't want to be living a lie" hadn't even crossed her mind in years.

Now I think about it, there's also "Have to do the right thing for my daughter."

It's not cold, it's a self-serving delusion - at least, I'd bet that way.

[–]Magnum256 26 points27 points  (2 children)

I don't think this is just a female thing. There are plenty of cowardly, unscrupulous, self-serving men who will delude themselves and change their thought process to accommodate their own comforts. It takes a strong, brave person in our era to divulge absolute truths however uncomfortable they may be and without concern for backlash, confrontation, or follow - up questions.

Edit: all that said, I do agree with you 100% on your assessment of her thoughts.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 6 points7 points  (0 children)

These are observations about averages, not the crazy outliers from either sex. Outliers and crazies can be found to show just about anything: that women are as good as men in business, art, math, or in a fistfight... Which will teach us nothing useful, just confuse and misdirect.

But when you look at the average man/woman, that's important information to have at hand so you know approximately what to expect in general. Deciet with zero remorse (especially when it comes to sex and surrounding topics) is most definitely a female thing. In the west it's taboo to even acknowledge this, rest of the world is sitting there with a "well DUH" facial expression. Great western geniuses discover that women are in fact still women, so you don't exactly expect integrity or good faith from them - what will the geniuses think of next? Wonder when we'll discover that water is actually wet and fire is hot.

I think it's important for the red pill worldview to internalize the expectation that bitches lie every season, with or without reason.

[–]destraht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was just dating a Chinese woman and I can confirm that she had none of that.

[–]binrobinro 6 points7 points  (0 children)

All that would have done is make him feel like shit during his last minutes of life.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She didn't tell him on his death bed because he would probably bring her with him.

[–]LRW35 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Iirc, it reads half sister, daughter of the man who she thought was her dad

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He said "half-sister" which means they had one common parent.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Wow... just wow....

"Daughter isn't mad at mom"

I hope to God that's not true, because if it is, oh my God are women even human ??? How the FUCK can you not be mad that the man you tough was your DAD was lied too and died believing a lie while you never knew your real father!!!! HOW?

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[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't they have any sense of self beyond basic needs?

[–]moresmarterthanyou[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

was not mad at her mom one bit. My jaw was on the ground during this story and she was telling it like its nbd.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's the most disgusting thing I've ever heard, no joke, baring nothing, I mean I can understand Osama Bin Laden better than I can understand that attitude.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Was drinking and smoking with a past LTR one night. You know, just chillin'. Actually having a good time. Well, she ask me something. I heard it but didn't believe it at first. So, I said "What".

She asked again. "What if I got pregnant and the child looked just like you? You know, blond hair, tall, blue eyes. But it was from a different guy. Would you have a problem with that?"

Well, I was high as shit and kinda tipsy so my brain had a hard time processing this shit and actually reply with something that covers my ass but I think I did OK.

I replied, "No. I don't have a problem with it. You can do what you want. But I will require a paternity test if you get pregnant and want me to help with the child."

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

No. I don't have a problem with it. You can do what you want. But I will require a paternity test if you get pregnant and want me to help with the child

took like 3 minutes to understand that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bro. Try being high and tipsy while trying to think of a response.

[–]trpMilo 0 points1 point  (4 children)

What? Dude this is crazy talk from an LTR. I would have told her to get out of my place right away and might have broken up with her if she wasn't immediately and sincerely apologetic.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

That LTR ended a few months ago. I fucked her that night but the sex dwindled after that. Don't know if it was my response. Or she already had a backup dude because she mainly saw me as BB with Alpha tendencies. And I know of a "high school friend" that she had that is in great shape but I can tell is a blue pill for sure. But he runs this beach workout thing. He def has the social proof and the body. So, knowing her, it was because of the backup dude. She was a solid 7-8 that I started seeing when she was 22 an me 26. She was pretty hot back then IMO. But I have since compared her pictures of how she looked then and how she looks now (she is 27) and the difference is astonishing. She is still pretty but def not as hot. I'd give her a honest 6-7, now depending on if she is done up or not. (I don't inflate HB scale like most on here)

When we first started dating, I had no idea about the Red Pill so I asked her to move in and she was not that excited about it and she would set a date to move in but there would always be something that came up when the date came around. (Mom is depressed, sister is going through a rough time, etc. All BS) I can now see how beta I was back then. Towards the end of our LTR, she would always ask about moving in together and joke about how I was going to marry her. I normally would just ignore it but sometimes I would look at her and smirk and say "Yeah, that's never gonna happen". Guess now that she is hitting that baby window of 28-32, she is wanting to find the "right" guy. I remember her mentioning her "plan" when she was like 23-24. You know...the typical hamstering. "I want to keep working on my career (aka being a server at a different restaurants) and buy my first house and have a baby by 30. I just shrugged it off and said "Nice. Good luck with that." She tried to lash out to get me to be emotional by saying "Well, it will either be you or someone else". I just said "Ooook". Her sister got knocked up by the muscular tattooed guy and has a 13 year old daughter and just got engaged to a fat guy who orbited for 10 fucking years. Guy is a lead chef and a upscale place in SD. Her mom is a total Alpha widow that I have seen "date" 6 guys in the 5 years that I have known her. That Alpha being the ex's dad who left her mom and now has a bomb ass house in the desert, career with UPS, and a mexican wife that cooks, clean, and caters to his every need. Met him and he is pretty fucking cool.

Honestly, after swallowing the Red Pill, I pretty much just saw her as a plate. I say LTR cause she was my main. I would have married this girl like an idiot but luckily I have guys like you in my life. She always tried to get me upset and it was easy for her to do so because she knew so much about me from the Blue Pill days when we first started dating. It sucks how she treated me but honestly, it helped me accept my flaws and learn to get over them.

[–]trpMilo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Respect brother. Pay her no mind

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very true. Since I have been in the Manosphere and Red Pill stuff, I have read many post on how women have evolved to be more mentally strategic versus men being stronger and logical. This would make sense because woman are always plotting. Who knows. Just gotta keep that "I don't give a shit" attitude and there schemes fall flat.

[–]stop_talking_ 4 points5 points  (6 children)

It's important not to take these things personally. Women are programmed to be this way because it's ensured the survival of the species. For anyone who still gets butthurt over these stories, keep reading the sidebar, keep trying to internalize it. Women are women, it's kind of fun.

[–]1CashFrags 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah reading stories like this used to fill me with rage, now it does nothing but bring a smile to my face and make me so damn glad I was born a male and am not a harpy like the woman in the story.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gotta agree. It's nature, stop taking this shit personally. Learn to work with the system not against it.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well to me it's revolting and I want nothing to do with such beings.

[–]grachuss -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I almost think being the cuckhold at this point is a thrill.

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[–]grachuss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol I see I worded that wrong. I meant it would fun to knock up some betas wife, let him raise my genes while I enjoy the single life.

[–]skoobled 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dark. I definitely look like my dad. My brother, though, doesn't particularly look like either parent...

[–]torchbearer101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My best friends sister just found out her real father died 2 years ago. All of the children have now excommunicated their lying whore of a mother. Luckily her "dad" still accepts her as his own.

[–]redarkane 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So what's the point of marrying again? This is some vile shit what that woman did

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you can't in the west, you cannot get married.

you sign a contract that ensures she can get your assets, and it is enforced to the letter of the law.

however, she can sabotage the marriage, commit fraud, or lie blatantly and refuse to uphold her end of the contract completely, and still receive the benefits from said contract.

So you enter into a contract where only the extremely negative details against you are enforced, with essentially ZERO positive merits of the contract are binding? You'd have to be a fucking moron to do that.

[–]wearnocrowns 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Although the story is anything but funny it reflects a principle that can be seen as funny in itself. The thing is that every, I mean every woman will seize the opportunity to fuck another guy if he seems to have something appealing to offer at the time whether it's a higher SMV or anything else.

Just a few examples I came across in the last week:

There was a big party thrown by the company I work for. A few of us including two girls from our office ended up at a bar when the morning was just about to come, drunk quite enough of course. One of the girls basically started begging me to fuck her so blatantly that my friend looked at her and told her: “Hey stop… You're a married woman. You should stop acting like this.” He intended to “save” me from the situation because she was literally crawling over me whilst I was apparently not enjoying that. On top of that, he let himself be persuaded into fucking her (in a bathroom) on a similar occasion just a few months ago.

The day before that party we were sitting in a pub together with 4 chicks I saw for the first time. I liked especially one of them that stayed with us after the others had left. Intelligent, sporty and showing some more inclination towards me as the night was progressing. The night was funny and I was expecting to see her again the next day but she didn't show up. My colleague told me today she's been in an LTR for 10 years. But he added that he fucked her two weeks ago during a ski weekend, asking me for keeping this confidential of course. Considering the way he said that and the details he mentioned I believe he was telling the truth.

I could go on with other stories but what I wanted to say can be described with 5 letters: AWALT. Every woman will seize or try to seize the situation once she find herself in. There's no use to keep being surprised about that. We can just accept that as a fact and adjust our own mindset and actions to this dynamic.

[–]doveenigma13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She is her mother's daughter. Remember that. AWALT.

[–]iPunchKeyboards 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'm new, can someone direct me to a page to help me understand all the acronyms? Such as AWALT,

[–]ChadThundercockII 7 points8 points  (0 children)

All Women Are Like That.

look in the sidebar, there is a link called: Glossary of Terms and Acronyms (2015)

[–]SandDog31 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The father knew it's a decision as a man that you make to break up a family or keep it together. And between the father and mother well he will always know she is a cheater. Thats not every case but it is also true. Excuse me getting my drink on.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Getting your drink on? It's 8 in the fucking morning here. Wish I was there, cowboy.

[–]phrostbyt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not all time zones are like that

[–]SandDog31 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol I forgot to say I'm I japan right now

[–]Waldo00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As we have learned women goodness is thinking about you their children. So thank your mother for doing anything and everything to ensure your survival and happiness. Now a wife is another story.... Paternity test paternity test paternity test.

[–]Hell_Brake 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The attitude of both the mother and daughter is pretty sickening - but, not surprising.

Also, this reinforces the idea that you do not matter to anyone, other than your own self.

[–]iluvpeople 0 points1 point  (2 children)

My day just brightened up because of your post!

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[–]iluvpeople 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on your attitude. I now know not to trust women, specially gf/wife.

[–]UlyssesElias 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This defies belief. Finding out that the man who thought was your father was not your biological dad is one of the most earth-shattering things that can happen!!

[–]spectrum_92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus Christ... I hope you never speak to that whore again...

[–]flexiblehold 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmm, reminds me of Stories We Tell.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn. Thats crazy. Well... Survival mode trumps honesty every time.

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Because she won't cheat on you with another black dude?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Can confirm. Was trying to fuck a Korean hoe, she spit game to me while living with another nigga.

Anyway I think you have a year to contest paternity, you can get a descret unofficial test done with a kit from CVS. Cost about 50$. Once that shit comes back negative you take the bitch to court.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

how does the test work? what does it require, spit?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something like that.

You need to read the instructions on the box.

[–]ChrisBenRoy -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I heard a story today about some co-workers that made me livid as well, though not on a personal level such as this however. When able I will share it w/ TRP, as I'm still quite new.

[–]Linrraba -2 points-2 points [recovered]

I got the memo but how come the wife never left at least a slip of the truth come away in a eventual fight?

[–]binrobinro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She might have lost her meal ticket/ATM/husband.