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Men's RightsCanada does it right again "Women arrested for false rape claim" (self.TheRedPill)

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[–][deleted] 205 points206 points  (80 children)

Canada does right again

You say as if Canada has a history of taking the just course of action when it comes to this subject. That couldn't be further from the truth, I am from Canada and it is one of the most pro feminist, female biased places on earth.

Great country otherwise though.

[–]widec 12 points13 points  (77 children)

The only thing I can really say is far superior to the US is our health care. I can't consider a country that is a frozen shithole for half the year a great place to live.

[–]geepy 60 points61 points  (21 children)

Health care accessibility, yes. Quality, no.

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        [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

        I have to admit Canada is a PRO at stealing from the middle class. The tax system is designed to rip them off as much as fucking possible. The difference between standard of living of someone on welfare and a hardworking professional is really amazingly small. But still just enough to keep em working.

        Some of the ways this happens:

        • Ridiculously high income and property taxes for those making any money. Generous welfare, subsidized housing and "energy and utility rebates" for those with low income.
        • Huge handouts for people with kids... the more kids the more money so lots of poor moms pop out a bunch.
        • High interest rate student loans, those with jobs can keep paying em off for years while for those without... it will simply be dropped after some negotiation.
        • Any excuse to add taxes and fees to things the middle class would do. Things like mandatory costly house inspections, car inspections, transfer fees... shit sounds trivial but there is just so many of these that it adds up to a sizeable chunk.
        • Increasing tax rates as income goes up but after 6 figures... it tops out and then a whole different class of tax cuts for corporations that only the rich can take advantage of.

        So after all is said and done. Chad Thundercock after dropping out of school to fuck bitches full time ends up having a fairly decent financial life as well while the average BB slaves away in cubicles.

        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        its so true that it kind of stung a little when you made me realize the reality of Chad Maplecock's life despite his shitty attempt at it

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        High interest rate student loans, those with jobs can keep paying em off for years while for those without... it will simply be dropped after some negotiation.

        Student Loans, Including OSAP are non negotiable, even in bankruptcy.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Unless you are arguing over semantics, you are wrong: https://osap.gov.on.ca/OSAPPortal/en/A-ZListofAid/PRD003208.html

        RAP has two stages, Interest Relief and Debt Reduction, to help eligible borrowers fully repay their student loans within 15 years (or 10 years for borrowers with permanent disabilities).

        And to be honest, I didn't even bother checking the details when I posted... I KNEW such a program would exist. You can count on the Canadian government to milk those who will pay as hard as possible to subsidize those who won't.

        [–]NakedAndBehindYou 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        On demand, quality care is available, just much more expensive.

        But this is also true in America so what's your point?

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          [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          You have no Idea how the system works.

          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

          Their quality is essentially the same as the US. Ours is only slightly better quality, and even then only if you have a shitload of cash to spend on it.

          Almost 50,000 Americans die every year because they don't have access to healthcare. That approximates the American death toll of the Vietnam War.

          We have a Vietnam War's worth of casualties every year in the US because of how shitty our healthcare system is.

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            [–]sonik-bobkat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Yup, I had a testicular torsion, it was less than 5 minutes from the time I went in the door to when I was in ultrasound, and about 45 minutes later I was in surgery. The canadian health care system moves fast when you have an actual medical emergency.

            [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

            How you got down voted I have no idea.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            My mother & sister would both most likely be dead from cancer if it wasn't for the amazing care they have received as Canadian citizens after emigration. Plus I know of two other older gentlemen from Canada who swear the same thing. They would have been strung along in the United States until the doctors/insurers decide to trim back care & then death.

            [–]Meglomaniac -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

            Honestly, the place where canada lacks is timely diagnosis. Once they know what you have, they bend over backwards to get it treated in time.

            [–]1feminazis_stalk_me -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

            "Yea, yea. Just give me my fuckin' pills, eh."

            [–]AnotherLostCause 6 points7 points  (5 children)

            You might not feel that way if you were paying 80 or a 100 K a year in taxes to support "health care" but were left waiting for hours to see a doctor. If you are a man you pay for first rate care and receive third rate care.

            [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            I spent no such time most of the time: once I waited 24 hours for leg surgery because everyone ahead of me was having a heart surgery. That's fair. 24 hours of my wages doesn't equal the massive expense in US hospital to jump ahead because I don't make thousands per hour.

            [–]AnotherLostCause 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            Two things. The US has healthcare problems because governments diddled health insurance. You do understand that the doctor who fixes legs and the ones doing heart surgery are different guys.

            [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            No: I understand the doctors doing surgery are in fact the same doctors where I am, they are good surgeons and busy. Plus there's limited operating rooms out of all rooms in the hospital - you can't just convert any room on a whim into an operating room.

            The US has healthcare problems because of private corporations jacking up prices including the insurance fraud of taking money then denying care. In Canada there is no such practice. No one can be rejected for a pre-existing condition.

            [–]AnotherLostCause -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

            Capitalism simply doesnt allow that. Cartels always cheat and fall apart. It is only possible to keep a monopoly going if government abuses its power to enforce the monoply. That is what is happening in "You have to pass the bill to find out what is in it" America.

            [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            it does allow it because capitalism doesn't require cartels. It's merely one of many possibilities.

            [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (19 children)

            Friendlier people, abundant natural beauty and resources, lower crime rates, healthier economy and less racism are also nice to have compared to US.

            That said, I am personally looking into moving to the states after this winter. Enough.

            [–]denmaur 19 points20 points  (5 children)

            Lower crime rate because it's too damn cold to go outside.

            [–]AnotherLostCause 16 points17 points  (2 children)

            Crime varies from place to place in both Canada and the US. A simple rule of thumb, if an area has a lot of single mothers it has a lot of crime. The more generations of single mothers it has had the worse the crime problem is.

            [–]menial_optimist 9 points10 points  (1 child)

            All the more evidence that fathers are essential to the discipline of a child. E.g. young boy grows up with single mother, son reaches around 14 and single mom has absolutely no control over him.

            [–]dafuqey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            What if there is simple correlation that fathers in high crime rate area are more likely in a prison, so causing more single mothers?

            [–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Truth.

            Some criminals try in the winter but due to tracks for cars & feet it's so damn easy to find them it's ridiculous how easy they're caught.

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              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

              I have heard this before from others as well. In what ways are people in US friendlier? (I am genuinely curious)

              [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 15 points16 points  (4 children)

              I'm Canadian, and I've travelled all around the States. Americans, outside of a few places like NYC, are really friendly. You can start talking to a random person in a line somewhere and he'll tell you his life story, if you're so inclined. They genuinely have warm spirits. You have your occasional hyper-asshole (or three, if you're in Florida), racism against blacks is a pretty big deal, but they're pretty welcoming to visitors.

              Compare that to say, Toronto, where no one will be impolite to you in public, everyone will apologize, but otherwise no one wants to interact with one another. Everyone only looks after themself. Meeting new people is really fucking hard because of how much of a "fuck off" vibe people here have. Everyone is racist, but it's highly taboo to do so in public.

              [–]_mnk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              NYC to Toronto and rural Canada to rural America would be a better comparison.

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              That's actually fantastic. I'd take a slightly offensive person any day over the passive aggressive bullshit of most Canadians.

              I just assumed that since Americans are so openly impolite, they must be even more hostile upon close contact. I think I'm gonna go for a visit.

              [–]metalhead4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Most Torontonians you mean. Smaller cities have friendly people. Toronto is a shitty wealth disparity crock pot.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              A good example my friend once told me that does correlate to Cyralea's comment "In the state's they are racists, but in Canada they are still kinda racists...they just wont show it". People have allowed the whole "nice" formality to progress to such an extent that it has caused them to become just awkward, anxiety riddled people who prefer to go about their day looking down as to avoid drawing too much attention to yourself. I think if you were to spook or aim to get a reaction out of an american you would get a reaction of some sort where as from canadian i think they would be to awkward and uncomfortable to really give you much of anything

              [–]through_a_ways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              That said, I am personally looking into moving to the states after this winter. Enough.

              You'd probably want to avoid the northeast, then

              [–]metalhead4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I just wanna ride my motorcycle all year. Is that too much to ask father winter?

              [–]widec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              The lower crime rates can be partially attributed to the cold. As I like to say, the hoodlums that stir up trouble are hard as fuck, but not hard enough to go out in the winter apparently.

              Working service jobs through school also left me to question whether Canadians are really more polite than other cultures. Keep then waiting on their ice capps and see just how nice people here really are.

              [–]CollateralNerdage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Poutine. You forgot about poutine.

              [–]xxbearxx -1 points0 points  (21 children)

              If it's a frozen shithole you could move somewhere nicer like Iraq, it's warm there most of the time.

              [–]widec 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Or a more sensible place like southwestern Europe or the southern states. I'd move to Vancouver if I could afford it right now.

              [–]fequ 22 points23 points  (18 children)

              lol at this butthut little bitch.

              i'm from canada, and I second widec's statement. This country is a frozen shite hole for most of the year. There is nothing exceptional here other than "free" healthcare.

              Friendlier people,

              false. That is just surface level politeness. There is nothing underneath, there is no community. Nobody knows what their neighbor does for a living. People call by-law officers instead of talking to their neighbors about things.

              healthier economy

              LOLLerton. I guess this is a case of 'grass is greener on the other side'. I live in Ontario, the most populous province, and let me tell you it is a shit-hole. You probably don't follow Canadian financial news, or the Canadian economy very much, but there is pretty much nothing here other than public service jobs and construction jobs (construction is funded by speculative real-estate and public works projects....).

              The provincial government debt is 42% of GDP. The province spends 10 billion dollars paying 100k public servants, $100k+ a year, its called the 'sunshine list', I shit you not. And this is just the tip of the ice berg, there are another 900k public servants drawing very generous salaries from the public purse, while the private sector plebs are barely scraping by. Yea Ontario, a province of 18 million has 1 million and change provincial public servants, and more debt than the state of California ($300 bln). They are talking about selling off public utilities and new taxes to pay for this largess.

              The manufacturing/auto industry are on their deathbeds. There will be nothing left of these industries after another decade. My father (a skilled toolmaker) makes less money today, than he did in 2006, and he has 35 years of experience. I'm a STEM grad working in automation, and I make $25/hr. Annual after-tax income is 33k. A 600 sq.ft 1 bedroom appt in Toronto will cost you minimum 250k+.

              Once you factor in property taxes, utilities, maintenance somebody with my income can never own even a shoebox sized property. The cash flow is insufficient even with interest rates at 2.9%. After paying for all kinds of maintenance, taxes and insurance, i'd have $400 left for FOOD. I'm not a public worker, so I don't get a gold plated pension.

              Yea come to canada, our economy is great. :D :D

              [–]xxbearxx 2 points3 points  (6 children)

              Sorry that shit's not going your way man but you've got to look at the big picture. Your personal story doesn't mean much when Canada is consistently near the top of best places to live in the world.

              Also I'm not butthurt, I just don't like people having the privilege of being born in a great country and taking it for granted.

              [–]save_the_rocks 10 points11 points  (3 children)

              Everything he says about manufacturing and the economy in Ontario is correct. Canada's manufacturing infrastructure is old, costly and just generally inefficient. Most news about Ontario I read in the trade press is of firms pulling out or limiting their relationship in other ways.

              [–]Pornography_saves_li -1 points0 points  (2 children)

              There are some high quality manufacturing firms in Ontario that compete on that level, for instance, unless things have changed the only Lexus plant outside Japan exists in ontario, because that's the only place they can assure standards will be met at a competitive cost.

              That said, the Canadian auto industry in particular has no right to b itch when you consider all through the 80s and 90s the public and industry tried to rein in the unions unsuccessfully, resulting in absolutely ludicrous contracts which made pretty much anywhere else more competitive.

              Not to mention the hordes of business hating asshat that comprise the populations of toronto, montreal, and vancouver, or the crony rewarding asshat of alberta, saskatchewan, and especially quebec.

              [–]save_the_rocks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              My expertise is limited to energy, and not specific to Ontario. I can't comment on the impact of labor contracts or public support for manufacturing. I've just read that energy costs and aging manufacturing facilities are leading many companies to relocate or scale back their operations.

              [–]metalhead4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I've just seen it happen first hand in St. Thomas. The automotive industry is dying and layoffs are abundant and temp workers are all the rage. Let's employ these expendable peons to work for a cut wage that this temp agency gets almost half of, that'll be good for the economy.

              [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              I'm going to back up what /u/fequ was saying. Point me to any of those top places to live reports, and I'll show you why they're wrong. Believe me, I've read them.

              Canada has some definite things going for it, it's a really safe country for starters. It's not the place you want to live unless you're very content to live a very average life, no matter what you do.

              [–]dinky_winky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Ontario sounds like a shithole. Even Quebec is better than that.

              [–]LouisCheese 2 points3 points  (3 children)

              calls the guy a butthurt little bitch.. proceeds to be butthurt cause he can't find a job. I live in southern Ontario and am very successful. Just cause you can't find a job does not mean they aren't there.

              [–]metalhead4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              The price of milk also just went up 30 cents everywhere. Where the fucks my wage increase?

              [–]shelcod -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

              Don't live in the territories then. I live in south western Ontario and our winters are just about as bad as the northern states. In fact we had a wamer winter then most of them.

              [–]wile_E_coyote_genius -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

              Plenty of finance jobs in Ontario. If you are in Toronto there is a lot of money to be had, but also lots of competition, so you gotta be smart.

              [–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              But the weather in Iraq sucks even more, you moron.

              [–]1oldredder -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              I hate the cold too but count up all the poisonous animals & insects we have. That's winter for you.

              [–]Kelly_Gruber[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I'm referring to the case I posted a few months ago resulting in a young man who won the right to sue his false rape accuser.

              [–]ghostbrainalpha -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              Maybe he was talking about the Canadian history of "getting it right" with Beer and hockey?

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              [–]beltwaytr 54 points55 points  (3 children)

              A million legitimate case of rape? I think she has that statement backwards, it should read:

              "With every legitimate case there are a million made up cases."

              There that resembles reality.

              [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 27 points28 points  (1 child)

              Research by the military and law enforcement has put false claim rates at 25-40%.

              [–]antariusz 19 points20 points  (0 children)

              For every made up case, there are 2-3 legitimate cases" doesn't make nearly as strong of a talking point.

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                [–]fake7272 16 points17 points  (3 children)

                including Africa then maybe. place is barbaric as hell. in the U.S? not even close. violent crime has been going down for almost 20 years.

                [–]colovick 16 points17 points  (2 children)

                3rd world isn't real, only feels matter.

                [–]bangbangahah 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                I remember a tumblr post about how pakistan has a lower rape rate then the US yet people still hated on the poor poor muslims.

                They unsurprisingly completely ignored that the US population is far higher and you need 3 male witnesses to prove a rape in pakistan and if you don't have them you'll get thrown in jail.

                [–]Nantafiria 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Population numbers wouldn't really affect the rate at which it happened, would it? The absolute number, sure, but not the rate.

                That said, yeah. When your justice system needs a ridiculous amount of evidence for rapists to get locked up, these bastards have it easy.

                [–]Hell_Brake 28 points29 points  (0 children)

                Sue's response further confirms and reinforces that feminism was never about equality and justice; it's about ruining men - period.

                She sweeps aside the fact that men's lives have been ruined due to false accusations and promptly places her cause in the spot light.

                Her tone is self serving and does nothing to acknowledge the severity and plight men face when dealing with false rape.

                [–]Ausei 33 points34 points  (7 children)

                That feminist response is so damn cold. I hope they wither and fade into nothing before they gain control of anything worthwhile

                [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 46 points47 points  (1 child)

                You mean like the police, government, social indoctrination system (schools/colleges), mainstream media, etc...

                [–]ValarMorghulis90 13 points14 points  (3 children)

                Well...at least Hillary is looking bad for president now. She's been getting condemned a lot in the media lately. It's a win in my book.

                [–]Corndog_Enthusiast 30 points31 points  (1 child)

                Yeah, Hillary's campaign is a total joke.

                "Vote for me; vote for pussy."

                [–]ElKod 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Rather vote for Warren, that's a pussy I can get behind

                [–]colovick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                To be fair, it was a an open and shut case. There was no spinning the truth and there fact that that response is unexpected shows that not only are climates shifting, but they're aware of it as well.

                [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (5 children)

                Wow, I'm used to Canada being more feminist than most. Chances are she'll be out of jail in no time with minimal charges, but it beats nothing...

                [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 14 points15 points  (4 children)

                At least it'll be on her record so if she makes another rape claim they might be able to bring her record into court to build reasonable doubt.

                [–]gg_s 30 points31 points  (3 children)

                No, silly, her past does not define her. /s

                [–]1oldredder 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                A feminist may feel that way but a CPIC query has no feelz.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                What's fucked is that a court is likely to feel the same way, and make her history inadmissible as evidence

                [–]newls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                In the Ched Evans case in the UK the jury weren't allowed to know/use that the accuser had made multiple false rape claims against other men in the past.

                It wasn't widely reported in the media either.

                The case is currently back under review due to 'strong new evidence' so maybe the verdict will change.

                [–]SQQQ 14 points15 points  (3 children)

                having lived in Canada for.... 20yrs? this is the first time i even heard of this stuff.

                still.... i doubt she will spend a single day in jail for this atrocious crime.

                [–]CollateralNerdage 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                Attempting to ruin an innocent life with a false rape claim should net that person the same punishment they were trying to levy upon that innocent person.

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Not a clue why you got downvoted

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                [–]1runnerrun2 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                With so many false rape claims that keep coming to light, even they can't keep ignoring it.

                The reason this is happening is because in US/canada, generally the english-speaking nations, feminists have succeeded to make it policy for all social workers to advise women to press rape charges. That's why you're even seeing it happen sometimes years after the facts, something no sensible person would do on their own. As you can see from this woman's response they are still ignoring all the negative consequences of their witch hunt so it's not going to stop just yet.

                [–]1oldredder 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                And now women are seeing the flip side of it, men are reluctant to date or even give their NAME to women they just meet because if she has no idea who you are there's much less ability to make a false rape claim without taking it so far as a sketch artist and man-hunt. A lot of lying frauds are scared to take it that far.

                I know when I go to pick up women at bars they aren't worthy of knowing my name until I've decided they're not like that. They won't know where I live: we'll fuck at her place or a motel room paid in cash on a fake name. Every motel in my city is good with cash + fake name + no ID.

                [–]Bottled_Void 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                The problem is that police can 'use their judgement' on whether or not to pursuit a rape claim.

                They should follow each and every one of them up. Then prosecute the fuck out of the false claimants. It's the only way they'll stop. Let's face it, they'll never stop completely; but at least get it under some sort of control.

                The actual number of false rape allegations is somewhere between 2% and 41%:

                [Article]

                Not 0.00001% like Sue Montgomery states.

                [–]Ojisan1 4 points5 points  (5 children)

                "With every case that is made up there are a million legitimate cases,” says Montgomery"

                Really? The ratio is a million to one?

                Hamsters aren't very good at math, I suppose.

                [–]ho_made_apple_butter 9 points10 points  (4 children)

                Nonsense. 8 out of 5 women are raped every 17 seconds. Look to your left, then look to your right. All 3 of those people will rape you in the face before midnight tonight.

                [–]Ojisan1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Thanks for the trigger warning. That comment raped me six times while reading it. Patriarchy!

                [–]TekkomanKingz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                LOL this made me chortle, literally along with your name. Thanks bud.

                [–]Ninonskio 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                This is from a show, right? I just can't remember which one. Is it south park?

                [–]ho_made_apple_butter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Not that I know of. Pulled it outta my ass.

                [–]Rougepellet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                A million legitimate case for every made up case? I'm no farmer but that's some bullshit right there.

                [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                With every case that is made up there are a million legitimate cases

                Err no. very hard to work out how many... but at least 5% of cases are provably manufactured (this is in the real justice system, not the kangaroo courts of universities and colleges). This means a maximum of 19 legitimate cases for every genuine one. And that's ignoring the unprovably manufactured.

                Still, if you're a feminist, 19 and a million are exactly the same. It's not about facts, it's about feelings and persuasion. Fuck the facts, they just get in the way and the facts are only used to defend men, so they don't matter.

                [–]ithrax 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                It sounds like she was actually arrested for making negative comments about the police.

                In a one-on-one interview with reporter Domenic Fazioli, Thomas also said detectives “ignored” her case.

                “I question their competency and their abilities,” Thomas said back in February.

                “It really pisses me off.”

                Guess they showed her how competent they are.

                [–]symko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                The bitch that cried, "wolf"

                These women really need to ask themselves a serious question. Do they want all rape to be ignored? Because that's how this happens.

                Perfect examples are car alarms. How many of us even bother to get out of bed when a car alarm is going off?! You keep crying wolf when there is no wolf and one day the wolf will show up and no one will care.

                [–]superprez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                "With every case that is made up there are a million legitimate cases"

                109 women have been prosecuted in the last 5 years for making false rape allegations in the UK,. In 2012/13 there were 3,692 prosecutions in England and Wales, resulting in 2,333 convictions.

                Makes her "million to one" seem a bit out.

                Source: Women Against Rape (WAR)

                Edit: WAR were actually campaigning for an end to what they claim is the aggressive pursuit of such cases !

                [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                “With every case that is made up there are a million legitimate cases,” says Montgomery. “I don’t think we can lose sight of that.”

                What we can't lose sight of is that's the biggest lie ever told.

                [–]TheRealMewt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                “With every case that is made up there are a million legitimate cases,” says Montgomery"

                That sounds extremely generous given recent false rape accusations catching the public's eye.