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Blue Pill ExampleNo firings over Rolling Stone false rape story. Editor at UVA newspaper: "to let fact checking define the narrative would be a huge mistake." (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 404041

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/05/media/rolling-stone-uva-rape-article-columbia-probe/index.html

Background: Rolling stone completely went along with a lie that a woman made up who claimed she was raped. It made national news. The UVA newspaper obviously went along with it too. It was fashionable. It was cool to be the victim.

Problem was it was a lie. Of course, not a single person has been disciplined over this.

Just the other day, the police finally concluded that it was all bullshit. That hasn't stopped "Jackie" from making yet another false rape claim about 4 other men that happened supposedly before the Rolling stone incident. Hilarious.

Even one of her friends gives an interview in the cnn video stating that it was all made up.

Just remember that the current climate is reflected by this attitude: "to let fact checking define the narrative would be a huge mistake."

EDIT: Here's a couple links about the Columbia investigation into Rolling stone.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/06/business/media/rolling-stone-retracts-article-on-rape-at-university-of-virginia.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/04/05/columbia-report-on-rolling-stone-coverage/25338141/

TLDR: The writer of the original piece, Sabrina Erdely, will not be disciplined in ANY way. She will still write for Rolling stone.


[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (45 children)

Jesus Christ. In addition to STDs, I gotta make sure she was satisfied enough afterwards.

What legal shit can I get into if I set up a dashcam in the corner of my bedroom and record for security reasons, as its where I keep my most valuable belongings? And if I inform her of this before sex, I should be able to use it as evidence if she falsely accuses me, no?

Edit: For future reference, I've asked this question on /r/legaladvice

[–]disposable_pants 40 points41 points  (12 children)

It almost certainly varies by state, but I'd wager that whatever legal trouble you could get in with a dashcam would pale in comparison to the damage a rape accusation could do. The former is a hassle while the latter makes you a pariah. If anyone with more specialized knowledge answers this -- would a "you may be videotaped" sign near the door do anything to head off potential problems?

[–]Senior Contributorveggie_girl 19 points20 points  (3 children)

I work in legal. I won't say my title because afraid of Doxxing.

Anyhow. In most states it is completely legal to record your own private residence regardless of who is there. It's your residence. Now say if you put a camera in the bathroom, that could be iffy in some states. But elsewhere in your residence is A-OK given that you don't have any tenants who are unaware of the recording.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

The problem is it's actually not that easy to use this kind of video in many cases. We live in a world where women can make the accusation 6 months later, on a whim.

How much video are you actually going to store?

[–]frankgold 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Meh, storage is cheap these days. Put in on S3 Glacier, you pay a cent per gb per month.

Even if it costed you 10 times more, it is worth the peace of mind. I also have pen cams, keychain cams and similar hidden cams when I'm out and about.

[–]NoFatChicks88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

just make sure you backup a few clips where it's evident they are willingly consenting to your interactions.

[–]1iluminatiNYC 12 points13 points  (2 children)

The sign would head off legal issues. I'd just check about the signage and the wording as particular states have their requirements about that.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Something like 'These premises are under audio and video surveillance' posted on or near the front door would probably do the trick.

I am not a lawyer.

[–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The thing is that particular verbiage may be required in certain states. I know Virginia in particular requires specific wording, and other states may do likewise.

[–]68461674897051454980 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It almost certainly varies by state, but I'd wager that whatever legal trouble you could get in with a dashcam would pale in comparison to the damage a rape accusation could do. The former is a hassle while the latter makes you a pariah.

not to mention you get to stay off the sex offenders list and not have everyone wherever you move look at you like you raped a 3 year old, in addition to not having to register and inform your neighbors that you are a 'rapist'

[–]itsmehobnob -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

A sign cannot remove rights or responsibilities.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No one has the assumed right of privacy when entering private property owned by a separate person/entity.

[–]SwordfshII 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Guess all those parking structures that say "not liable for any damage, theft or vandalism" dont matter then..

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If they're actually not liable, it's not because they put a sign up.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I think you could probably put up a notice saying, "This area is recorded" outside your house, or somewhere in your bedroom. If she asks, just go, "I just want to make sure nobody takes my stuff" or some such nonsense.

I just found out you can turn an old laptop with a camera into a permanent surveillance camera so I may just try that soon.

[–]newspaper_nerd 6 points7 points  (1 child)

a Raspberry Pi is much smaller than a laptop.

Or you can order spy cameras from ebay/China - car keychain, pen, button, clock, etc. They're cheap.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You can do the same thing with old android phones. Connect the phone to wifi, go to the app market and install "IP Webcam" by Pavel Khlebovich.

The beauty of this is multi-faceted:

  • you can often find really cheap android phones with busted screens and use it for this.

  • Most used android phones still have decent battery life and many models can have the battery replaced. This means that you can still record in power outages provided you have a backup battery system on your networking equipment.

  • You can access this camera feed in VLC and save it to your computer's hard drive, or to a cloud storage service.

  • Power adapters are plentiful for android phones, as long as you can reach a power outlet with an extension cord, you can place these cameras practically anywhere.

  • The phone includes a microphone for capturing audio, something only the most expensive IP cameras offer.

  • You can install this app on an active cell phone data plan and access the feed even if the internet goes down.

  • Many more...

[–]PlebDestroyer 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Pretty sure most girls wouldn't want to be taped as you performed those new sex god methods you learned -- do you have to tell her?

[–]buclk 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Just put up a bloated terms & conditions poster in your room that states that any sexual acts may be recorded in order to improve the user experience, and that her continued presence in your room implies acceptance of said terms & conditions.

[–]newls -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

Damn with all that legal speak you can hear the waves breaking in her vag.

[–]1xwm 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Just because you intend it as a serious thing doesn't mean you can't imply it's a joke.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I think the major problem with this idea is being overlooked: more important than whether or not you'd get in trouble for recording the sex is whether it would be admissible in court if she did accuse you of something. Because if it isn't admissible then you can't use it to prove your innocence.

[–]disposable_pants 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Saying you have a video -- which might be admissible -- increases the chances that the accuser recants or the prosecutor drops the case. Admissibility isn't always clear cut and a woman who is flat out lying would perjure herself if she took her accusation to court and was shown to be fabricating the story.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 8 points9 points  (1 child)

True, even an inadmissible video might discourage the accuser (although I highly doubt it would deter any competent prosecutor). The point I was trying to make is don't just video shit and then assume you're safe because this could create a moral hazard, whereby you erroneously think you're now safe from any false allegations so you actually stop taking other precautions you would take if you didn't have that feeling of safety (e.g. not sticking your dick in crazy to begin with, not eliciting some kind of text from her afterwards which she wouldn't send to a rapist etc).

[–]2Overkillengine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

even an inadmissible video might discourage the accuser

This. More men need to realize that the highest court for women is not the court of law- it the court of public opinion.

Watch how fast a woman recants when she realizes the potential permanent social penalties for getting busted on tape as a false accuser.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Make sure your state is a one party consent state for video taping interactions.

Then again I'm not sure if two party consent even applies if they are on your private property.

[–]1iluminatiNYC 4 points5 points  (1 child)

A dorm room may not be your legal property depending on the university. Ask residence life where you live before you do things like that, preferably a higher-up.

[–]fortifiedoranges 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't live on campus or don't go to college also works. If you don't get it in writing from the University, don't bother. You have no rights when you're a student, it's frustrating, but you have to learn to adapt to survive. That's the red pill way.

[–]widec 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Look up the recording laws in your state or country. It it's one way consent, then it's perfectly legal to have one set up in your room. However, with two party consent, you have to notify the person you are recording.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure you can record people in your own home without their permission. They have no reasonable expectation of privacy.

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    [–]TwoScoopsofDestroyer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    One caveat: you always have an expectation of privacy in a closed bathroom.

    [–]1Zanford 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    The link says it may depend on the 'purpose' of the recording', and 'voyeurism' may not be covered. If you have a camera pointed at the bed, opposing lawyers will doubtless make that argument.

    Might be helpful to put cameras all around the house, to give cover fire to the rationale that it's about theft, your maids, etc. Also, you might hook up in other rooms anyway.

    [–]dynamicor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Have a camera aimed at your front door. Make it a point to hold hands, kiss her goodbye etc. so you have video evidence she was affectionate with you on the way out.

    Same line of reasoning as getting a "thx for the good time" text

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    The problem with tyranny is if they want you, they can get you. Indeed, look above: "to let fact checking define the narrative would be a huge mistake."

    [–]Nantafiria 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Fortunately for us, that narrative is one that won't hold up in a court of law for quite a while.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Of course, but nobody knows how long 'quite a while' is. I'm grateful it probably is longer then I would personally need, but still.

    [–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Depends heavily on the state. I'd look up the rules on one-person consent with the recordings. That said, it might be the prudent thing to do. Why risk a court case where your rep can be destroyed? Plus certain people think that having guys feeling scared to have sex with anyone outside of the most enthusiastic is a Good Thing (tm). Cameras can prove that part better than your words.

    [–]RPthrowaway123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Depends on if you live in a single party knowledge state. If single party, then you're good because you knew about it. If 2 party then you have to tell her about it beforehand.

    [–]newls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    If you have an outside connecting door to that room you could very easily justify having a security camera.

    [–]1TRPingBalls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's legal. It's your house, so she doesn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

    [–]SwordfshII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Some states are two party, meaning both parties (or all parties) need to be informed of recording. Some states are one party meaning only one party needs to know a recordig is taking place.

    In any event you could only be charged with illegal wiretapping I believe.

    [–]trpiece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Wow, what a waste of my life reading that thread in /r/legaladvice . Utterly useless responses.

    [–]savatebot 40 points41 points  (8 children)

    Did nobody see this coming when a female reporter was hired to cover this story? Women have a desire to protect their own at all costs, damn the rest of us. How this woman can keep her job after this is beyond me. Rape is a real problem, but women, who cannot keep their shit together in a professional setting, should not be allowed to report on such things. It is not only incredibly damaging to innocent men, but to women who have actually been raped and need protection.

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      [–]GuitarHero07 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      She probably didn't apologize to the frat and the falsely accused man to protect herself from lawsuits. The frat has said they will be pursuing legal action against Rolling Stone and I hope they succeed. They need to face consequences for their failure to follow even basic journalistic practices. This caused real harm to people.

      [–]RPthrowaway123 5 points6 points  (4 children)

      This exactly...how the editors of this rag can't see that is beyond me. The rolling stone used to be a reputable source of real journalism - now it sounds like fox news.

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        [–]RPthrowaway123 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Idk, I have always just enjoyed their "edge of the knife" style I suppose. I try not to think too much about subliminal messages or whatever else, what are we going to start worrying about rock music backtracking again? Pop is just that - pop. There's no deep message or meaning to a Taylor Swift song.

        And there was a time when the Stone had journalistic standards, no matter what you think their "agenda" is. "Real journalism" with an emphasis on truth and getting to the bottom of the story went out the window in the US what seems like a long time ago. All that matters now is money.

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          [–]RPthrowaway123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          That's just it - I disregard whatever "messages" or shit these songs might be selling. I just don't care. I don't listen to it that hard.

          I would hate to have to start filtering out the "good" from the "bad" pop. Sometimes I just want to go to the bar and dance, whats wrong with that? I don't have to sit there and analyze the death of modern western civilization every time I turn on the radio, that sounds miserable.

          Like rock music before it, the music on the radio now is "subversive" or "destroying our morals" or something like that. Bull, rock 'n roll didn't bring down the pillars of western society and neither will Ke$ha (I feel dumber having typed that name out lol.

          How many girls do you know who so desperately want to identify with a new pop single to the point where they'll destroy their own relationship just to have a reason to feel heartbroken.

          Can't say I've ever seen this. Pop is the most mindless music around. I think that you are over-reacting.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I knew it was bullshit from the very beginning, because to quote Roosh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bySyocJzroE

          [–]Camera_Lucida 106 points107 points  (23 children)

          That whole story is pretty funny. We had some sort of debate on r/Montreal about false rape accusation and how they should be dealt with. One user, a hardcore feminist lesbian could not stop. At some point she explained that since most rape are unreported ( citing a 4% rape conviction rate, what a joke ) males that are falsely accused are just paying for all the men who raped whiteout consequences. She wrote comments like "what is the future of a few [falsely accused] males against the purity of the whole of women" She had me gasping for hair as I was laughing so much

          [–]1iluminatiNYC 64 points65 points  (11 children)

          [S]he explained that since most rape are unreported ( citing a 4% rape conviction rate, what a joke ) males that are falsely accused are just paying for all the men who raped whiteout consequences.

          Wow. In fairness, I know that she's Canadian, so she isn't particularly tied in to the racial politics such a statement might bring in with regard to American affairs. Still, such a mindset is chilling. Wait...people gotta do jail time because they're the same gender as a rapist? That's disgusting.

          [–]Hitlers_Boss 51 points52 points  (10 children)

          The awkward moment when white feminists directly increase the incarceration rate of innocent black men for the sake of feelz and patriarchy.

          [–]Sadpanda596 26 points27 points  (0 children)

          Haha I always love that awkward moment when they try to reconcile their socio economic/racial equality views with their man hating views. "There were other, well off white men also verbally harassing, we just didn't get them on the video."

          [–]1iluminatiNYC 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Word. That dude who got beat up by VA alcohol and beverage control cops was directly tied to increased patrol efforts due to the Rolling Stone story. We've already seem the effects.

          [–]1nzgs[🍰] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          White feminists aren't that bothered about black rapists, they turn a blind eye to it. It's white males who need to go to prison, rapists or not.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          There was a time in our nation's history when all it took to get a black man lynched was for a pretty white woman to point at him and use the "r" word.

          This is precisely the system of justice third-wavers appear to be in favor of.

          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

          I really hope this story causes a shift in our criminal system.

          For black men we've long been guilty if accused for most crimes. It's just once in a blue moon you get a fair trial. Something like 95% of cases end in plea deals since a DA can offer time served or 30 years upon conviction.

          [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 9 points10 points  (4 children)

          You're even more guilty than Iraq veterans, but completely fucked if you're a black war vet accused of anything by a girl.

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

          The entire legal system is a men's rights issue.

          If women ( even of color) almost never get time for drugs men should get the same.

          [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          I agree, and it's why I am removing myself from as much risk as possible. No female will ever live with me again, none will get any sort of commitment from me, and if she starts to get clingy or act like she is going to wreck my life I go full on super nice, begging for sex, and drop what I'm doing and go help her any time she asks. I do that and they remove themselves from my life without drama, and without legal issues in two weeks or less.

          I can't change the laws, but I can do everything in my power to prevent any more bitches from fucking up my life.

          [–]copralalic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I go full on super nice, begging for sex, and drop what I'm doing and go help her any time she asks. I do that and they remove themselves from my life without drama, and without legal issues in two weeks or less.

          This hasn't worked for me. My guess is that my masculine frame wasn't strong enough from the start, so the dramatic shift isn't as dramatic. I'm sure it would work eventually, but it's annoying in the meantime.

          [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Once they stop wanting to fuck you, then you can let them fade away. Go radio silent after a couple sappy texts that don't really say anything. If she never wanted to fuck you, it's no problem, just stop orbiting her.

          [–]redrick_schuhart 19 points20 points  (1 child)

          That whole story is pretty funny.

          I must disagree. It's caused deep harm to the community. I don't mean just those who are falsely accused and risk having their lives and reputations ruined, but also the female students themselves. Hysteria about rape on campus has distracted the authorities taking action against genuine threats to female students. Camille Paglia pointed out this problem in September, before the UVA story even broke. She said:

          "Wildly overblown claims about an epidemic of sexual assaults on American campuses are obscuring the true danger to young women, too often distracted by cellphones or iPods in public places: the ancient sex crime of abduction and murder."

          UVA and the surrounding community does have a serious problem with women being abducted and murdered. By running with the bullshit story about the gang rape on campus, Rolling Stone completely glossed over the possibility of a fucking serial killer near the campus. Erdely mentions - and even makes a pathetic attempt to equate the two - in her article. I don't know how she can sleep at night.

          [–]techiejames 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          I have to agree. This is so ,much like the Duke Lacrosse case, it's sad. The main differences is with this case, the DA's office didn't get involved, it wasn't drawn out, and no one was actually charged with the alleged rape.

          False accusers need to be arrested and charged and serve the same amount of time as the rapist.

          Good luck to the fraternities that were affected by this article, as they start their lawsuits with Rolling Stone.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 16 points17 points  (1 child)

          Just reframe and crank the wheel for the hamster.

          "So an innocent man has to go to jail because a guilty woman lied about being raped?"

          Trolling feminists is kinda fun when you get the hang of it.

          [–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yup you just have to learn how to phrase things a step or two ahead so that they trap themselves with their replies.

          Bonus points if you can do it in front of a neutral audience they desperately wanted the social approval of.

          [–]Bwhitty23 7 points8 points  (3 children)

          Can you link to that thread?

          [–]RPthrowaway123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I'd like to see it too. Sounds funny but also terrifying if this is where we are headed...

          [–]RealRational 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          that's not allowed in TRP, check the rules and posting guidelines.

          [–]1Zackcid 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          an "archive" link is acceptable though.

          [–]1nzgs[🍰] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          You won't be laughing when people like her increasingly become part of governments worldwide.

          [–]The_Real_Slim 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I would be gasping for hair too!

          [–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 68 points69 points  (11 children)

          Consider sending those "journalists" a strongly worded letter: [email protected]

          Cultural Marxists have always used strong-arm tactics to silence opponents, own the conversation, set the talking points, and have therefore slowly but steadily chipped away at the pillars of Western Civilization. It's time people turn against them and use Cultural Marxists' own tactics against them.

          I'd love to see a grass roots movement of people making "open letter" type memes about how they are cancelling their subscription and the reasons why. Some should call for the termination of the "journalist" of the rape hoax. Others should call for the termination of the "editor" of the rape hoax. Others should draw parallels between supermarket tabloid magazines and The Rolling Stone, and write it off as a waste of text and paper, vowing never to buy another issue. Still others could protest Jann Wenner, the founder, owner, and editor-in-chief of the magazine. She should be put on public trial and dragged through the mud for her role in allowing this farce.

          The whole 'GamerGate' controversy was about feminist SJWs attacking gamer culture and painting gamers as misogynists full of hate and death/rape threats. But the gamers won, because they kept up a tireless campaign and basically never shut the fuck up about what Anita Sarkesian and her ilk are up to. Basically, if you aren't willing to get down and dirty and make life hell for them, SJWs will worm their way into society's brain and munch away. They inhabit top posts in academia, the government, NGOs, and most big companies. They got there by running unopposed, basically.

          The rape hoax story was an attack on one of the last male spaces left, college fraternities. The last oasis of maledom in academia has a massive target on its chest, and the rape hoax (and previous rape hoaxes that went national) was the rocket propelled grenade fired right at that oasis.

          I'm not necessarily advocating that TRP or TRPers get invested in this. Do whatever you want with your life. But there are some black knights that roam these parts, and I like to light a candle against the darkness of cultural marxism. At the very least you should know the options available. It takes 5 minutes to make a meme and post it somewhere. If thousands of people did this it can gain traction and become its own story.

          [–]newls 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          All you'll do with a strongly worded letter pushing for her dismissal is feed her victimhood and get an even stronger worded letter in return from RS, copied to all the newspapers.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 37 points38 points  (1 child)

          She already has a victim mentality. She said in the most recent update that the last few months have been the most difficult period for her and blah blah blah. She has already played her victim card. I want to take away her megaphone which she has used to go after innocent young men.

          In any event, I already sent an email to RS calling for her termination. It took me literally 42 seconds. There comes a point (for me personally) when whining about a problem with you bros is no longer sufficient. I just want to do something, anything. It's not exactly donating money or marching in the streets. But 42 seconds to log into my email and rapid fire an email doesn't slow me down at all.

          [–]FattestRabbit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Can you share the email with us? There are a lot of petitions / email movements where someone writes the 'rightly worded' email and then supporters flood a box with them. I'd be down to put my name on that, I just feel you have a lot more eloquent things to say than I do.

          [–]68461674897051454980 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Consider sending those "journalists" a strongly worded letter:

          dude its the rolling stone, they do stupid shit all the time, more so than most media companies, just for PR. Remember the boston bomber cover?

          they won't even read anything you send.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          I think you are right. But in the grand scheme of things their readership is quite small--only 1.46 million people hold a subscription. If thousands of people started generating 'open letters' and memes or making vlog protests, other magazines would pay attention. They are more than willing to sling mud at their competition. If enough of a shitstorm were whipped up the owner might make a smart business decision and can the 'writer' of the story or the editor who let it get through.

          I don't know what the consequences will be. Hell, even if no one gets fired I'd like that woman to go through a little more 'living hell' for what she did. Maybe she will feel 1% of what those fraternity boys felt when they were accused of violent gang rape.

          This isn't about getting justice. There is no justice in Kafkaesque USA. This is about turning the witch hunt against the witch hunters.

          [–]68461674897051454980 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I kind of think that's their strategy, to be an edgy and controversial paper to try to drum up new subscribers. There's no other reason to put the boston bomber on the cover, imo.

          I think ignoring them and letting them sink into nothingness is probably best. STill unbelievable, well actually completely believable today, that they ruin people's lives just to try to get new readers...

          The best way to turn the witch hunt like you said is to make sure these retards who file false rape charges get their just deserts .

          [–]TheDankster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I can smell you a mile away /pol/ack :)

          Nice diatribe though, and I completely agree. We must turn their tactics against them and not allow such blatant wrongdoing to go unpunished. I vote No on Rolling Stone with my wallet and point out their shit-tier journalism whenever possible, but I'll shoot an email their way too.

          Thankfully after this stunt most Lawful Neutral citizens I know have displayed a disgust for the publication. Here's to hoping it will be dead and buried in a few years.

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            [–]2Overkillengine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            You'd tend to be a narcissist too if you spent most of your life effectively being told your shit don't stink.

            [–]Heraclitus94 35 points36 points  (3 children)

            Ah, I see that they went to the Kotaku Video Game school of Journalism!

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              [–]Heraclitus94 17 points18 points  (0 children)

              Burn the forest down, it's the only way to get rid of these guys.

              Money talks and bullshit walks.

              [–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              "I am a victim."

              "Okay guys, we've got all the evidence we need here."

              [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

              UVA has a strict honor code. It states simply that students will not "lie, cheat or steal." Violations of this honor code result in expulsion. Clearly, someone at the campus newspaper violated this code. You can't have it both ways, UVA...

              [–]1User-31f64a4e 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Yes, but.

              Does the honor code say the student will be diligent in their fact checking?

              Jackie on the other hand should be expelled, or have her degree revoked, or have whatever sanction applies, applied.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Not aware of the full details of UVA's honor code--just what they mentioned during the campus tour I went on with my son. They did emphasize that it is a single sanction code--one violation=expulsion.

              [–]Black-Pill 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              Over Reaching Entitlement? Lack of Accountability? I believe that is covered in The Feminist Imperative School of Journalism's course catalog under False Rape Charges 101

              [–]JamesK1973 8 points9 points  (4 children)

              Didn't this get a fraternity banned/shut down/disciplined?

              Time to file a defamation lawsuit against RS, the female, the reporter, the editor, and whoever else perpetrated this myth.

              [–]techiejames 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              This is the only way to get them to stop perpetuating false accusations. Between this and getting DAs to actually file charges against false accusers and making the jail time an impediment against filing false charges (30 years?).

              [–]JamesK1973 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              I am not interested in jail time.

              They should definitely be made to pay damages. Lots and lots of damages. They should also be on a national list of false rape accusers.

              [–]copralalic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Didn't this get a fraternity banned/shut down/disciplined?

              They voluntarily ceased activities on that campus.

              [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 14 points15 points  (1 child)

              ”And while this report has clearly had factual flaws as well as rhetorical missteps, there are plenty of other fully corroborated accounts not only at this university, but at every university around the country...Only eight to nine percent of sexual assault reports, at most, are later determined false. This statistic will not [can't] change, even if Jackie does lie with the minority. One of five women will be [need to be reported as] assaulted while in college.

              That reported statistic can't change. The rape culture narrative must live on at all costs for females to retain their victim-hood status.

              One case, however prolific, does not change how it felt to lie in my friend’s bed and have her tell me through tears what her “first time” was really [never] like.

              The truth doesn't matter, it's all about feelz.

              “I’m worried that because of the inconsistencies in this story, this will challenge the precedent [narrative] of believing a survivor...This belief is vital to improving reporting rates [rape culture] and maintaining a survivor’s health. It is very disappointing.”

              Translation: because people are scrutinizing the accounts of this false-rape accusation, I'm afraid the other false-accusations of any kind by a female won't have a pussy pass. People are using critical thinking to peel apart our rape culture narrative that gives me and other females special treatment.

              [–]herewegoaga1n 15 points16 points  (0 children)

              What needs to be said, "These dumb motherfuckers knowingly lied in an effort to destroy and otherwise wreck the lives and reputation(s) of another group of people who were easy targets." And an apology from the scum who wrote, lied, approved, edited, and printed this trash.

              What was said, "(insert the dumbest thing I've ever heard.)"

              [–]LadyLumen 8 points9 points  (1 child)

              Looks like the fraternity is going to take legal action against Rolling Stone:

              http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/uva-frat-says-it-will-sue-rolling-stone-magazine-columbia-report

              [–]slcjosh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              They 100% should. There was once a point of time in this country where a complete fabrication would not only cause people to be fired and black listed in the industry, but could shut down a business like Rolling Stone.

              Its a disgrace.

              [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (2 children)

              Bottom line? If Rolling Stone were a conservative-themed magazine, it would have already been shut down. But RS being a liberal slanted magazine, not even a slap on the wrist. There is a double standard as to what is allowed from liberals.

              Remember Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill? To paraphrase, "It's not the nature of the evidence but the seriousness of the charge."

              [–]1oldredder 14 points15 points  (1 child)

              No there is not: all "conservative" and "liberal" american media have the same owners, the sideshow is to pretend they are different.

              They are not.

              you were fooled

              [–]jeezydasnowman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Additional text for the bot. Agree 100% the media are puppets of the corporations.

              [–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Another pearl of wisdom "“If we are being honest with ourselves, no matter if specifics of the article are true, …reading the article as a college student, you were thinking, ‘This could happen,’ "

              [–]vicious_armbar 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              There were no firings at the rolling stone, and nothing has happened to the false accuser. However the fact that the entire story was a lie didn't stop the university from punishing the fraternities.

              Fraternities have agreed to new operating agreements with UVA requiring that at least three members remain sober during any parties where alcohol's served and that one of them be assigned to monitor the stairs leading up to the bedrooms. The agreements also banned kegs of beer and what's known as trashcan punch - those sweet mixes that make it hard for drinkers to know just how much alcohol they're consuming. Wine has to be poured in plain sight. Beer has to be in bottles or cans, and mixed drinks can only be served by a licensed bartender. Also, at the request of UVA President Teresa Sullivan, a group of students, alumni and administrators has been meeting to look at the university's culture overall. And a final report is due from that group on April 30.

              In addition UVA will start promoting "bystander Intervention" aka cockblocking.

              Mostly it [bystander intervention] is common sense: If a drunk young man at a party is pawing a drunk young woman, then someone nearby (the bystander) needs to step in (intervene) and get one of them out of there. Of course, that can be tricky at times.

              Jane Stapleton, a University of New Hampshire researcher who runs bystander intervention programs at colleges around the country and in Europe, tells students they’ll need to be creative about outmaneuvering aggressors. Among the diversions she discusses: suddenly turning on the lights at a party or turning off the music; accidentally spilling a drink on the guy; forming a conga line and pulling him away from the woman he’s bothering and onto the dance floor. In the best of circumstances, a drunken aggressor won’t realize he’s been had.

              Lena Ngor, a University of Massachusetts senior, says that at about half a dozen parties a semester she has girlfriends who get drunk and need rescuing. At one party, a guy was all over her friend, so Ms. Ngor put an arm around her and told him, “She’s mine, you can’t have her.” When he suggested a threesome, she declined. “No way you can handle all this,” she said.

              Maybe it's because I'm a pussy hound. But the main benefit I could see from joining a fraternity is banging all of the hot 18-22 year old women that come to frat parties, get tipsy, and hop on some cock.

              Now instead of creating an atmosphere that promotes that; there are 3 "sober monitors" who's entire job is to try and make sure that you don't get laid at a party. If I was going to UVA and joined a frat I'd immediately drop it. Hopefully the ass kickings will commence and white knights will learn that it's not in their interest to practice bystander intervention cockblock. At least if they want to keep all of their teeth. Men used to be innocent until proven guilty. Now we're guilty even though we've been proven innocent.

              [–]Hilarious_Haplogroup 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              Fact checking should define the narrative. Fact checking is what keeps your news organization from publishing counter-factual bullshit and touting it as the truth.

              [–]meet_me_at_high_noon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Is there a study on how often false sexual assault accusations occur?

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              This study from 1994 about false rape allegations by Eugene Kanin found that in a small town in the US the percentage of false accusations was 41%.

              Note that he only counted those accusations as false where the accuser eventually admitted that she lied.

              Additionally, for a declaration of false charge to be made, the complainant must admit that no rape had occurred. She is the sole agent who can say that the rape charge is false.

              http://sf-criminaldefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/KaninFalseRapeAllegations.pdf

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              [–]copralalic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              The editor replied in a different article that no firings would happen and that she would continue to write for RS.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              People on those magazines are quite smart. I'm thinking that this very act is meant to stir up indignant reaction from the male and the anti-rape culture population. But then again, they're generating publicity by risking making themselves sound stupid to some.

              [–]RickDeckard22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Ah yes. The old journalism adage: "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!"

              [–]RPthrowaway123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Heaven forbid we let facts stand in the way!

              [–]aa223 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              "to let fact checking define the narrative would be a huge mistake."

              The mainstream media gentlemen. Glad to see they are making it more obvious for people yet these feminists and their ilk will happily lap it up because in order to be relevant they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel or fade into obscurity.

              [–]1User-31f64a4e 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              This is the problem in a nutshell:

              to let fact checking define the narrative would be a huge mistake

              There are the narratives, and there is reality

              The establishment media long ago abandoned discussion of reality in favor of narratives. It has always had a narrative favoring the interests of the 1%; now it has adopted the SJW narrative as well (not withstanding the occasional contradictions between those two; this also relates to the knock on feminism that it is an upper class movement.)

              Also, see Edward Bernays (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays) and his works.

              [–]VancouverSucks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Feminism was started by the elites, double the tax theft and create more laws to imprison men in order to use them as slaves in the prison system.

              [–]1User-31f64a4e 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yes, that plus to kill the one institution (family) capable of standing up to the state.

              You are on the mark about tax though, and it's much worse than double. Two jobs = 2x tax, but then all the domestic work needs to be moved from the household to the economy - cleaning services, prepared food instead of ingredients, etc. It's a huge stimulus package.

              I think the priority was kill the competing institution (family), bring domestic activity into the economy, more taxes, and finally any considerations of imprisonment.

              [–]LadyLumen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Aside from the fact that this article ruined the lives of the men involved along with slandering the fraternity, there may be a silver lining here.

              It spreads awareness that false rape accusations do happen.

              [–]eatpraymantis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              There's a feminist columnist who is a major part of me finding this place. I generally consider myself left wing and the paper she is published in is one, but after a while of hate reading her column I could no longer believe that her point of view was literally even sane, and it was the final push to finding the red pill. The comment section in practically all her articles shows how out of touch her point of view is even with the people that read this site. I'm not gonna give her name because she doesnt deserve the satisfaction of seeing her name on here while she spends the night frigging herself off in faux righteous anger, but her article is titled

              "It wasn’t Jackie’s job to get the details of her rape correct. It was Rolling Stone’s "

              the sub heading?

              "Despite documented errors with the reporting and editing of the magazine’s story of rape at the University of Virginia, they’re still blaming the victim"

              Read it after a very brief search if you choose and weep, if you must. Read the comments to this and practically all of her articles and regain a little faith in humanity... but then wonder how this became mainstream if the readers of any paper, left or right, are so against it.

              [–]1kick6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              the quote tells you all you need to know about journalism: all integrity is gone. Don't believe anything you read, and any time anyone tells you that "it was in the news, it must be true, they have to check that kind of stuff," make sure to refer them to this quote.

              [–]Noze_Zelle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I don't give two shits if a magazine pulls junk out of its ass. I have a problem when a narrative in a magazine is taken as fact. Rolling Stone is not a reputable news source.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Did we really expect anything different?

              [–]gargarisma 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              What the fuck does "to let fact checking define the narrative would be a huge mistake" even MEAN? If the narrative isn't backed by verifiable facts it's a false narrative, this is shit you learn in 1st year philosophy classes.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Philosophy was made by white males to oppress!

              [–]galt88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Don't let facts get in the Way of a good story....amirite?

              [–]mctoasterson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              To paraphrase, "never let the truth get in the way of a good story."

              [–]1favours_of_the_moon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Pretty disgusting.

              These people are CONCERNED ABOUT REAL RAPE VICTIMS AND HOW THIS MIGHT EFFECT THEM. They ask for your comments, so maybe drop the idea that there should also be concern for the FALSELY ACCUSED.

              https://youtu.be/_lIpWqedZOw

              None of this was accidental. They probably got grant money for this propaganda.

              [–]GregariousWolf -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

              "to let fact checking define the narrative would be a huge mistake"

              Fake, but accurate.