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Blue Pill Example"I think I was raised to be a beta male cuckold". People in r/foreveralone start waking up. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

In the ultimate irony, I came across a very RedPill thread in r/foreveralone. If you've ever visited that sub, it's basically a bunch of omegas complaining about being too shy or ugly to ever get laid. And for the most part, they're right.

But once in a while, there's an interesting development during the pity party and some of them start to view the world realistically, since they are on the absolute losing side of sexual strategy. This thread is an example.

Summary: 27 year old virgin starts thinking about why he is a kissless virgin, realizes that it may have something to do with being raised by a single mom.

I tend to do a lot of introspection about "where it all went wrong" and lately I've been thinking about the roots of my "Nice Guy" behavior. I've been critical of the recently popular perspective that Nice Guys are actually evil patriarchal monsters because as a former Nice Guy myself, I recognize how much of my behavior was actually rooted in the feminist beliefs I took away from years of conditioning at school and from TV.

Very true. And to take it a step further, the Nice Guy meme has been perpetuated by - you guessed it, feminism. Remember the 90s, when the media claimed that the best men were the "sensitive" guys who were in touch with their "feminine side" and did their share of chores around the house? This poison infiltrated its way beyond Hollywood and into the minds of young boys, who then grew up solidly bluepill and frustrated that they couldn't even land a date, let alone have sex like their hormones were demanding.

My parents divorced when I was three years old or thereabouts and my mom took primary custody of me. Mom soon started dating my future step dad, "Barry". Barry was conspicuously chivalrous. I noticed that whenever we drove anywhere together my mom would just sit there in her seat after we had parked and she wouldn't exit the vehicle until Barry opened the door for her. One day after we got back from an outing and Barry had left, I asked her why she always waited for Barry to open the door for her. I told her I knew she didn't need help getting in and out of the car because we went places together all the time without Barry and I could see that she got in and out of the vehicle just fine on those days. Mom agreed that she was perfectly capable of getting in and out of the vehicle herself. She said that she waited for Barry to open the door for her to give him an opportunity to be a gentleman. Mom explained that being a gentleman made Barry a catch and that when I got old enough to be interested in girls that's how I should try to win a girl's heart as well.

Tl;dr: Alpha fux, beta bux. OP's mom most likely had kids with a man endowed with alpha traits, and when she was dumped she started looking for a provider. She found this provider in the form of Barry, the "nice guy" who always opened doors for her and waited on her hand and foot.

As a result, OP grew up with a single mom's perspective on life and was severely socially retarded as a result - he admits this himself. And this points out a very important redpill truth: women don't know shit about what women want. Of course his mom espoused the virtues of being nice and submissive. Because women have to be kind, gentle and submissive to win the hearts of most men out there. She didn't stop to consider that maybe since OP was a guy, the female strategy wouldn't work out for him.

Men need men to learn sexual strategy. Men need direct advice pure of all the bullshit that feminized society feeds us. And if they don't get it - well, you've seen the result. They post on r/foreveralone as 27 year old suicidal depressed omegas. This is why we need TheRedPill.

Please read the post and all of the replies. Some of the commenters - longstanding FA members themselves - seem to be awakening to the truth as well.


[–]Deresetese 67 points68 points  (6 children)

I've been reading around /r/foreveralone in the past. I didn't really identify as one of them, but some of the things really resonated with me. The similarities with this subreddit are imense. Just that one side has given up and the other side has not.
These people understand what women and society is like. They understand what it takes to be successful, they understand their own problems.
The origin of both communities are emotionally and sexually desperate men. Both communities developed a similar worldview.
I think that many people on there could better their lifes by reading TRP and living it.
At my lowest point I've found out about /r/foreveralone, it helped me because it can give comfort. Then I discovered TRP and found a way to actually use the discovery that society is fucked up in my favor.

It's not that the subreddit wakes up, I think that there's a natural development from foreveralone to TRP after hitting your low.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (1 child)

I actually read about trp from a heavily downvoted comment on a FA post. The advice seemed so obvious to me then, so I followed the breadcrumbs to this sub. I'm glad I did.

[–]Endorsed ContributorLastRevision 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Excellent observation. Even though I'm certainly not a virgin, I feel "forever alone" in that I don't feel like I'll ever be able to marry, have a long term partner, or have a relationship in the way I had assumed was possible for most of my life.

Those guys would probably never understand that the above can hurt just as much.

[–]americanmook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the fact that I will most likely never have a real partner or REAL love is the most depressing thing.

[–]Shade_Raven 111 points112 points  (17 children)

They are so close yet so far.

[–]HAMMURABl 53 points54 points  (3 children)

these foreveralone guys should each have a pook who slaps their face when they start the male blue-pill hamstering.

[–]ioncloud9 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I'm just so glad that I was never ever like that. Sure I've had some dry spells in the past but never have I felt that I was at that horrible place.

[–]alpha_n3rd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

inorite? Since I started reading TRP I have come to realize that, although my situation could be a better, it could also be much much much MUCH fucking worse.

[–]OrchidReverie 20 points20 points [recovered]

Reminds me of the horseshoe.

[–]ContinentalRP 16 points17 points  (6 children)

I don't get why you are getting downvoted? This is quite a good description. The horseshoe theory states that when a movement moves to an extremity (like extreme right or extreme left in politics), at some point it comes back to look like the other extreme. We've got to admit that TRP is pretty extreme in how far it's removed from r/foreveralone, it seems so far that they're curling back to us.

[–]silly_bird 12 points12 points [recovered]

it seems so far that they're curling back to us.

And by that we'd have to admit that we're curling back towards them.

[–]ContinentalRP 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I hoped someone would read over that...but that is the inevitable conclusion.

[–]NabroleonBonaparte 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I wonder how that would look. I see it implying that in the end RPrs become MGTOW.

The FAs not having women in their lives because of lacking the necessary game etc. and neo-MGTOWs having so much experience with women (plate-spinning, ONS, etc) that they eventually reject them entirely to pursue a higher cause.

Two things which look similar but one embraces victimhood and the other rejects involvement.

[–]ContinentalRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Though the opposite ends grow toward each other, they never touch, and they're still on the opposite end. So indeed, two things that at certain aspects might look similar can be extremely different in reality.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We actually have a lot of those elements. Most of us came here because we weren't successful, weren't happy, and weren't real men. We have a lot of precursors from the MRM or MGTOW to PUA but perhaps the most important precursor is BP or even FA. We mix them together in a unique way and couple it all with a powerful drive to change things and a confidence that we can do it, but a lot of the ideas are shared.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think TRP ever claimed not to be an extremist group. The very idea of shunning everything you're taught from a young age and engineering all of your actions to fit a not-so-loosely-defined set of ideals while studying a very non-accepted view of the nature of humanity is extreme. I'm not even sure what a non-extreme red piller would look like. Granted, there's a spectrum of how extreme we get but it's not like we have true moderates. In fact, if you're ideology is one that you can't even share with your acquaintances do to how unpalatable it is to those who don't buy it, it's probably not a moderate ideology.

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[–]NS_whitey 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Authoritarianism doesn't mean "the same". Nat Soc Germany was a lot different than communist Soviet Russia, despite both being authoritarian. If you look at modern conservatives and liberals you will see only a small variation in government control, however the ideology and policies behind them differ greatly.

[–]barmaleo 152 points153 points  (47 children)

I really liked this observation:

When my mother gave me advice, she didn't give me advice that would help me, she gave advice that would help herself by proxy- encouraging me to be the kind of guy who would appeal to and accept a single mother.

It falls in the line with RP advice of not taking womens relationship advice.
offtopic. Damn, that single mother thing made me think and I realized I'm surrounded with bastards - my brother married a single mom, my cousin the same, other cousin is one with cuckold provider, my flirty single mother colleagues, few girls I know been crushing on me. Endless list ffs! Amost makes me doubt my rule of not tapping sloots with children or having any kind of relationship with them beyond being friendly.

[–]LadyLumen 41 points42 points  (8 children)

Yup. She raised her son to be the kind of guy who marries a woman with three kids from a previous marriage/s, and this guy will be expected to raise the kids and deal with all her baggage, lest he be called a "shitlord."

[–]yougotshitonyourass 60 points61 points  (7 children)

Although woman’s natural state is to have a stronger sex drive than man, square mothers continually reverse this situation in their upbringing of children. They perpetuate the fiction that men are animals who are preoccupied with sex while women are pure and above the need for constant sexual gratification. They encourage naive girls to concentrate on obtaining a mate who will be a good provider and discourage them from forming strong sexual attractions. Square mothers also encourage their sons to regard women as sexual prizes to be treated with great deference and desire. Daughters are trained to be seductive, but only for the purpose of trading sex for a man’s money and security, not for the pleasure of it. Therefore the pimps conclude that square mothers bring up their daughters to be hos and their sons to be tricks, thereby perpetuating the control of society by women.

From Milner on Black Players: The Secret World Of Black Pimps

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Before RP I never would have expected such an accurate insight from a pimp.

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[–]SwissPablo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. In my younger days I'd suppress my natural sexual desire because I thought it was disrespectful and that women would find it coarse. Like you it was in my 30s, after years of getting nowhere, that I let my masculine side come through - I got more sex as a result!

[–]pursuitofman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the quote dude, very insightful.

[–]SilentForTooLong 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Holy shit, why am I not aware of this book??

I wish THIS was mainstream thought. I have never understood how everyone doesn't see that this the reality we live in.

[–]yougotshitonyourass 18 points19 points  (0 children)

You don't need to be aware of the book, more of the mindset, this book got good insights in it but there are a lot of other good material on the subject:

Pimping is about controlling a bitches thoughts and finding what she’s lacking and providing it for her which are both completely mental aspects of pimping.

If you think about it, it's the base of every relationships, after this you become irreaplacable so no more less shit test or shit like that.

On being non emotional:

See, a pimp keeps his thoughts to himself. Most people have a husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend or just someone they can spill their guts to and feel better about themselves. You can never ever do this with any of your bitches. The second you lower yourself down to their level where you’re using them as a theraputic release they will eat you up and spit you out. You never get down on their level, you’re their rock that will listen and care for them, but you never have the need for them to reciprocate because you’re 100% at all times.

On feeling & Purpose (in this case Money)

The other lonely part about being a pimp is all your bitches are in love with you and you aren’t in love with any of them. A pimp only loves his money, nothing else.

On getting women to depend on you

Once you’ve already got that bitches phone number, it’s your only mission to get inside of her head and then her heart. You need to know how to find your way around her thoughts. You need to break this down by understand who the bitch is. Who’s the most important person in her life? Does she have a job? Does she think she’s pretty? What does she like her about her body? What does she hate about her body? Once you find out about her, start finding out about her past.. who raised her? who was she closest to as a child? what were her brothers/sisters like? Ask her specific questions like what made you the happiest when you were a kid? But then directly follow that up with what made you the saddest? If you know what made her sad when she was a kid, you’ll know a lot more about her as person. Once you’ve poked around the past and got a good idea of what’s what, ask her what she wants in her future. Start planting seeds in her head that you’re ambitious and successful and if she sticks with you you can make her successful.

I can go on and on on the subject but there no need to give you everything on a silver platter.

You might want to read the [Real Talk Sessions] material anyway, to check what good game is:

Real Talk Sessions: Who's In The Game: Players, Spectators, Opponents, and Teammates

Real Talk Sessions: The One Thing To Remember When You Leave Her

Real Talk Sessions: Let's Talk About Sex

Real Talk Sessions: Keep Your Swag On F

Real Talk Sessions: Stop Looking At Women On Social Media Sites

... There are a lot more but it is really a good start

[–]1BadgerBurger 24 points25 points  (1 child)

My awakening moment came years ago when I asked on a forum: why is it that all of my friends who were raised by divorced single moms seem to have no game?

I got a red pill answer, and this was that answer. It was my very first eye-opening to the pill, and the beginning of me breaking my Beta ways.

[–]skoobled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Basically, cf. Eric Cartman

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 81 points82 points  (31 children)

Single moms actually get social accolades -- "Wow, so brave! She's doing it all on her own... wow... so admirable..."

BULL FUCKING SHIT.

We should be shaming these women, as mankind has done for the past 40,000 years. They have created a burden on their family and their tribe by having children irresponsibly.

Now, we have alimony and child-support. To quote that awesome black guy on YouTube, "The U.S. Government has turned into Captain Save-a-Ho."

[–]gargarisma 34 points35 points  (7 children)

true fuckin dat. My mom was a single mother (she finally snatched up a chump to pay the bills while she retires at 46 because working is too stressful), I fucking despised the arrangement. She's your quintessential neurotic fuckup who got her ego gassed up by her friends about how brave and strong she was. Meanwhile I spent my entire childhood wondering where the fuck my father was and why she divorced him and never let me establish any sort of contact with him. I hate single mothers. I might even hate them to an unhealthy degree, because I know most of them are fuckups and idiots.

[–]ReallyShouldntBeHere 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I unfortunately may have to agree with you about your mother. There's no other explanation as to how someone like you came to exist.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I might even hate them to an unhealthy degree, because I know most of them are fuckups and idiots.

This.

Considering how much single mothers are touted as the best thing since sliced bread and heroines of our age on a constant basis and from all sides, most women I know who are one are trashy and of the "keep a distance of at least 10 ft"-type. I really wonder what kind of single moms all those journalists and Hollywood authors know, because they sure as hell aren't the norm.

[–]gargarisma 6 points7 points  (1 child)

They know the upper middle class ones with advanced degrees. The very, very small minority. They might do better financially and culturally as a result of being born into a higher class, but I guarantee you their kids still have some underlying issues as a result of being fatherless.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's the worst thing about it - those single moms I knew most of my life weren't even from the gutter, they were mostly middle class women, just shamelessly CC-riding ones (I recently got to know a couple of lower class ones, they weren't much better than them).

[–]krakosia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

look at the other side of it - how gullible is the majority of the population that what was once upon a time(less than 20 years ago) conventional wisdom - single parenting is bad- is now considered a taboo thought and single parents(women) are lauded for their efforts.

[–]BlackHeart89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

wow... so admirable..."

Definite bullshit. I feel sorry for them. Most women growing up are just ignorant and don't realize it until its too late.

I hate to say it, but shaming them may be the only way to discourage other women from following in their path. Not that I have anything against single mothers, but seriously... shaming them would be effective. Sort of fucked up, but thats life.

America is truly Captain Save-a-Ho. Have 4 kids and working part-time at a minimum wage job? No problem. Here's some MORE money! Having a 5th kid and just lost your job? STILL single? No problem! Here's EVEN MORE money! Its pretty much encouraged at this point to be a single mother.

[–]Sephar 9 points10 points  (20 children)

Same goes for the men who impregnate these women, though. A lot of men don't have their shit together (not using contraception and not having children responsibly). Ultimately it's a paradigm problem that permeates all of society.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 26 points27 points  (18 children)

Couldn't disagree more.

Unless a woman was raped, the responsility is on her, and even moreso her family to make sure she trades her sex wisely.

This is why arranged marriages are so common across time and culture. Imagine you're the male head of a household, in any pre-Information-Age place or time. You have a newly pregnant wife, and life is great. However, she births a daughter, which is problem: daughters can't work as hard; they don't carry the family name; and you will eventually marry them into someone else's family, losing your entire investment. So what's the rational solution? You teach her feminine charm, and you seclude her to protect her virginity (aka SMV). When she comes of age, you begin carefully screening suitors. After settling on the right man, you PAY A DOWRY to the suitor's father, which is a particular type of bribe. "Please take this useless female off our hands. You'd be doing us a solid."

So, that sucks. But, the alternatives suck much, much worse. If you didn't control your daughter, she could show up one day pregnant by some farm boy. Then her SMV is absolutely ruined and she will never marry a respectable man. Then she's basically stuck in your household until you die, at which point she'll face even worse options: prostitution, begging, or grinding at the ultra-low-wage jobs available to women.

Make no mistake: the onus is a woman's family to make sure she gets pregnant by the right guy. Of course, Uncle Sam has removed any possible negative incentive for single motherhood, which is why we see so much of it. Even worse, they incentivize it by making welfare payments a factor of how many kids you have.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Tom Leykis mentioned some guy (USA) was going out with a single mother, and was forced by the courts to pay child support! All because the child saw him as a 'father'.

Stay vigilant!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sESMzXEPSps

[–]Sephar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying the responsibility is not on her, but as a man you simply don't impregnate someone whom you're convinced of shouldn't be the mother of your child. Your genes are something valuable and (however counterproductive in terms of evolution) are something that a high-value alpha male can use as leverage. It is the ultimate prize for women.

[–]politicalwave 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I am having trouble understanding how you rationalize this as a one sideed responsibility. That seems to be the polar opposite now, marriage is a unidirectional contract favoring women in the case of severance. To reverse it and make it unidirectional in favor of men doesn't seem to be a fair solution either. Thoughts?

[–]Peglegbonesbailey 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I dont think he is talking about marriage, as much as who is responsible for controling unwanted pregnancy. My 2c

[–]politicalwave 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I was more curious why he thinks women should be the sole participant responsible for unwanted pregnancy.

[–]ReallyShouldntBeHere 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Please don't have kids. Especially not a daughter. I can't imagine the abuse.

[–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel you. Single moms often flock to me. Smh. I haven't found one yet that didn't come with some bullshit. No car, crazy as fuck, ratchet, can't find a babysitter, etc. Its always something. On top of the regular shit you have to put up with from every chick.

[–]martypete 45 points45 points [recovered]

Because women have to be kind, gentle and submissive to win the hearts of most men out there. She didn't stop to consider that maybe since OP was a guy, the female strategy wouldn't work out for him.

If you want to learn to fish, would you ask the fish or the fisherman?

[–]NotQuiteRedPill 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This statement should be a sticky post.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That should be soooo fucking obvious! But sadly, even for me, it isn't (wasn't).

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 78 points79 points  (49 children)

Reminds me of Scott Aaronson, MIT professor. Slowly and surely the beta/omega males are waking up to what a raw deal they were given. The internet is making it impossible for them to stay in the dark forever. I don't expect all of them to adopt RP principles, but like Aaronson I think the majority will eventually reject the gynocentric paradigm, given enough time.

[–]_bluerabbit_ 87 points88 points  (33 children)

The internet is giving men something that they hadn't for at least a generation, a place here they can communicate and share their own lives and experiences without the control of women.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 51 points52 points  (29 children)

Yet women continue to squeeze their noses into every male space possible. Even /r/foreveralone has women trying to say they have it rough since they haven't had a date in three weeks

[–]SilentForTooLong 24 points25 points  (4 children)

That shit should be considered the equivalent of men showing up in a rape therapy groups and saying they were raped because because a girl touched them once.

[–]Merwebb 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Man it really irks me when i heard sexy bitchets say "i havent got laid in a while"

[–]SwissPablo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Add that one to "where have all the good men gone?" and "I'm currently not looking for a relationship".

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (16 children)

Three weeks, like hell. No woman with a pulse goes three weeks other than by choice. More like three days, tops. That's a dry spell for a woman.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Three weeks between Chads anyway. Betas are just for dinners and don't count

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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Doesn't matter. A 300 lb woman can still get laid regularly by average guys. She just has to work a little harder.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 6 points7 points  (1 child)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's about it. And she can pull guys way out of her league. This is what you get when men have no pride or self respect. A race to the bottom and a life filled with trash fish if your lucky. She's what's waiting at the end of the blue pill rainbow. Enjoy.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Now if only it would permeate society & all the white knights would stop inserting themselves everytime they see a physically attractive woman have an argument with their husband/boyfriend.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use to have a white knight mentality. But fortunately, I knew better than to get in the middle of an argument between a couple. I KNEW the woman would instantly jump to defend her dude and I would be the one getting my ass whooped by both of them or thrown in jail.

[–]copralalic 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Even after all that explanation, the 2nd commenter down (who may have been male) still takes the time to tell him how he is wrong to be "only 97%" feminist. My. God. What. The. Hell.

[–]_bluerabbit_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Baby steps dude baby steps

[–]Absinthe99 15 points16 points  (9 children)

He doesn't seem to have "woken up" very much; if anything he comes off as even more of a Quisling weak-arsed pussy whipped nonentity. (And I really want my 10 minutes back of reading through that drivel, looking for ANY evidence at all that he had gotten his eyes opened... 'cause I never found it.)

I mean I get it -- if he wants to keep his career in academia he basically has to be a boot-licking self-castrated eunuch ... but egads.

[–]pissoutofmyass 28 points28 points [recovered]

One of the basic redpill ideas is to think as you like but to parrot others, especially where not parroting them would harm you. He is being smart and careful.

[–]AtlasAnimated 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He's also written some pretty interesting work if you're into quantum computers.

[–]Absinthe99 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Well then, where -- other than your imagination -- is the evidence that he has "woken up"?

I don't see any.

[–]SilentForTooLong 7 points8 points  (2 children)

How far do you want him to wake up exactly?

He's at least defending the idea of female privilege, and attacking the notion of male privilege, which is insanely radical for someone in his position.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Consider that this guy works at Feminazi Ground Zero, a liberal post-secondary academic institution, you can't imagine him to go full RP or even 25% RP. The fact that this guy, of all people, is starting to question the veracity of feminism's claims is a marker for the coming paradigm shift.

Once a critical mass of betas becomes aware of the nature of feminism, more outright rejection of its more misandrist principles will be rejected.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of Scott Aaronson, MIT professor.

Have you seen this article about what happened to him? It is well worth the read. It's a fucking tour de force.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In many incidents, I'm surprised it took so long. Growing up, I kept witnessing things that contracted the blue pill thoughts. Visiting TRP just sped things up for me, exponentially.

[–]Philhelm 86 points87 points  (28 children)

I noticed that whenever we drove anywhere together my mom would just sit there in her seat after we had parked and she wouldn't exit the vehicle until Barry opened the door for her.

I usually have my wife drive (when it's something she wants to do). This might be controversial as far as masculinity, but you don't see generals driving their own Humvees... Now I just need to get her to open the door for me.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 41 points42 points  (10 children)

In the Navy, the Captain does not steer the boat, he just orders its direction and destination. Your situation sounds masculine to me.

[–]blue_27 35 points36 points  (8 children)

True, but my chick's spatial awareness sucks, and her navigation skills are laughable. I drive, or we Uber.

[–]Chafmere 24 points24 points [recovered]

If I let my girl drive she would have a panic attack over the traffic and probably crash the car.

[–]1aguy01 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Seriously. "Make a UTurn here" "I can't there's a car 300 meters away doing 35!". I'll never let a woman drive again if I can help it.

[–]save_the_rocks 12 points13 points  (4 children)

You're generalizing too much now.

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[–]dandeezy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh hell yeah, for many reasons: such as being comfortable with a woman driving. Love it when a chick is confident behind the wheel or drives stick with heels on! OP you lucky SoB!

[–]Endorsed ContributorScumbagBillionaire 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Correct. Officers do not ever drive vehicles in the military. The only "vehicle" an officer would ever "drive" would be an aircraft since all pilots are officers.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (13 children)

Hahah that's a hilarious way to look at it, but women are terrible at driving, and I personally believe they don't understand the rhythm of a car and what the car likes, they just blindly press on the gas ignoring even the gear-changing in an automatic. You know how you can tell how a car likes to be driven? Yeah women can't. They'll stop accelerating RIGHT when the car is about to change gears, and break oddly, just fucking with the tranny and engine.

[–]redditguy1515 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Ugh, sadly I do this too, but i've been driving a manual since i was 16 and still can't get used to the clunkiness of my automatic.

[–]RedHeimdall 3 points4 points  (0 children)

break oddly

Yeah my mom always brakes too hard, even if she was only going like 5 mph to begin with, so you have this constant lurching forward of your body in the passenger seat at every fucking stop.

[–]thibit 4 points5 points  (3 children)

They'll stop accelerating RIGHT when the car is about to change gears, and break oddly

What the fuck?!

That's... I... I have no words to describe this absurdity...

Please tell me that this isn't true.

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Yes, they don't think of the concept as gears being shifted by a computer or a rough speed being attained or in terms of RPMs, it's just Drive and Reverse, have you never seen women drive? Granted I've had male friends do this too, but it's far more prevalent than women.

[–]thibit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've not paid close attention to anyone's driving from inside the vehicle ever since I failed to fathom how my mother was unable to navigate doable, yet floorpan-deep, snow.

[–]revengeofthecrazy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. They don't know what mechanical workings are going on in the car and they don't care. A car isn't a machine to them, it's an idea. They expect it "to just work", if something bad happens "it didn't perform like it was supposed to", read "I didn't get what I felt I deserved." Women are like this with all technical things, they push through them with their emotions and their ignorance. If it breaks, it was shit.

Women have no appreciation for material things and they abuse them whether they own them or their man does. They actually love destroying their man's stuff because they get off on wasting his possessions.

Examples:

My mother uses too much water in the shower so it flows over the edge of the basin into the wooden floor. My dad complains to me about it and tells me he's told her a million times to stop doing it. But she doesn't care and keeps doing it. ("If it doesn't work how I want, it's shit and it's his fault he can't make it work for me.")

My ex was using a hair drier with a broken casing and you could see the motor through the wide cracks. She used it carelessly and swung her dripping wet hair around the room. I told her she was in danger of death doing that, I took the hair dryer away and stored it for recycling. Two days later, she was using it again. Bitch was too stupid to know what electricity or death even mean, she actually had a new one in a box.

[–]SilentForTooLong -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're overgeneralizing shrugs. I have known several women that drives sticks, and are pretty sharp drivers.

I tend to make the women I'm with drive me around, so I like good drivers. They do exist.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Women have no logic just emotion. Cars have no emotions and thus can't be understood.

[–]SwissPablo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My last LTR did all the driving as I was medically unable to do so. That's not to say she drove me everywhere, just when we were doing stuff together. It need not be a bad thing, and yes, when was the last time you saw a president pull up in his own car?

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (1 child)

women don't know shit about what women want. Of course his mom espoused the virtues of being nice and submissive. Because women have to be kind, gentle and submissive to win the hearts of most men out there. She didn't stop to consider that maybe since OP was a guy, the female strategy wouldn't work out for him.

I think Its more of a case of women not remembering what they wanted when they were younger. Older women who have already reproduced aren't looking for alpha sperm, they're looking for providers. Women with children WANT betas, not alphas, and they forget that when they were younger and child-free all they craved was alpha cock - and ewwwww gross fuck those "nice guys".

Men who have been raised by women. whose fathers have been absent for one way or another, are over-exposed to advice on how to pick up 35 year old women w/ kids, when they really need guidance on how to pull the child-less 20-somethings.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is a case of false projection based on solipsism.

[–]locomotronn 33 points34 points  (8 children)

Man, this is literally my life. My dad was an alpha fux(although I cant stand him and I resent him) and dumped my mom when she had me and was a massive cheater and she was deep in love with him.

Step dad is a beta bux, but thank god I have RP cousins, and my mom isn't really the typical post wall. She tells me to never be like him and that women dont like men who are always up their ass, they like a guy who has hobbies and doesn't pay attention to them. Only good advice she gave me.

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[–]BrunoOh 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Better than blue pill brainwashing.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty much the same here. Which is probably why I didn't get completely fucked over. No blue pill brainwashing from my parents.

[–]FateBender 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's frightening how accurate your life story is to mine.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is very similar to my situation. Only that my cheating womanizer of a father told me all TRP concepts before I knew what Internet was.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (9 children)

Remember the 90s, when the media claimed that the best men were the "sensitive" guys who were in touch with their "feminine side" and did their share of chores around the house? This poison infiltrated its way beyond Hollywood and into the minds of young boys...

example

[–]dicklord_airplane 27 points28 points  (2 children)

aside from that show, pop media always portrayed men who pursued women as idiots or potential rapists. remember Disco Stu from the Simpsons, and of course Quagmire from Family guy? pop media tried its damnedest to convince us that it's wrong to pick up girls, and it worked very well.

[–]1aguy01 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Don't forget boomhower from King of the Hill. They had an episode where he shows bobby how to get chicks by just asking lots of girls out til one says yes. Bobby decides he's a creep, of course.

[–]americanmook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always remember that episode. A top five gem in the world was dropped when he told bobby that he still got a number.

[–]copralalic 13 points14 points  (2 children)

There was a heavy dose of sarcasm all through that video, from handing the woman the "D", to getting her into your car, etc... I think the real subtext was PUA.

[–]1aguy01 12 points13 points  (1 child)

What do you think the kids watching it are going to think?

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bingo.

That being sensitive and polite helps even if you're an uggo, but that being insincere about it will bite you in the ass.

[–]TattedGuyser 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Did you not watch the video until the end? All those values the short fatty preached, he was faking it all. Fake it all to get the women in bed, the tenants of The Nice Guy™.

[–]redditguy1515 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not always though, I seem to remember Zach and Slater getting all the chicks in Saved by the Bell....not Screech

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

example

I was thinking of this exact episode of johnny bravo when I read that. Classic!

[–]micloudon 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Trained to do as their told and not request anything in return; sounds like slavery to me

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Only if a dog is a slave to its owner.

Potentially even worse, it's dehumanization, not slavery.

[–]trpMilo 37 points38 points  (8 children)

A Mom will always raise her son to be that which she couldn't get from guys when she was young. So if she pined after alphas and couldn't get them to be nice to her, she will teach the son to be nice. She will assume everything else as given.

[–]yougotshitonyourass 16 points17 points  (0 children)

A Mom will always raise her son to be that which she couldn't get from guys when she was young

I think that's not the real motive here, look the common denominator of all the nice guysTM They care about every one and their mother are the first on the list, the result is that they keep being used & abused by their mom first and other people after.

Look how Nice guys rationalize that not helping their mothers is the worst sin on earth even when the said mother keep abusing them.

Hollywood portrayed it really accurately in The Soprano and in other movies too.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 10 points11 points  (0 children)

When the mother is old and other men want nothing to do with her, the only other male motivated to see her cared for is her son.

[–]ActiveShooter 7 points7 points [recovered]

I posted this in another thread last week, but I think it fits here:

If the father is alpha, she will love the boy more and raise him in a way that enables his success. If the boy's father is a beta who she mated with only out of BB desperation, she will love the boy only to the extent necessary to maintain "good mom" status in public and among her peers, but she will feel no real revulsion if he fails to succeed sexually. She will repurpose him as a vector of attention and support directed back to her. Later, if her peers are being given grandchildren, she may press him to BB himself so that she too can hold a grandbaby aloft within her shrew-crew.

[–]UlyssesElias 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm not sure about this. It reads like crap pop psychology to me. It's just plucked out of the sky

[–]nomad-oz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There is a Femdom Cuckold Blog NSFW that will confirm exactly this. How she will raise her son differently if she decides her Hubby or her Bull is the babydaddy. She basically says he will taught to be either alpha or a beta provider.

This nasty woman confirms every single Red Pill AWALT. She is very revealing about how women actually think and behave when they have a weak beta husband.

[–]mykonos_rm 12 points13 points  (1 child)

If you think the generation of divorce spawned a bunch of feminized betas, imagine what society will look like once this generation of basterdhood grows up.

[–]crazytrpr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Its gonna suck for them. For hard nosed competitors, its gonna be great because these beta/omegas will simply roll over and get out of the way. Not just with women, in life/business as well.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This annoys me because I was brought up to be beta until my late teens despite my father being a very alpha man. I wish he'd helped me out more, especially when I was maturing. Luckily I caught on from his actions and my own experiences anyway and got it together at a fairly young age.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 18 points19 points  (6 children)

Some of the commenters - longstanding FA members themselves - seem to be awakening to the truth as well.

Well, if anyone should be, it's them - after all, FA types experienced it the hard way that what we're told about female attraction is a load of crap.

[–]NAmember81 14 points15 points  (4 children)

I learned the hard way about taking women's advice on female attraction. I use to not give a fuck about what women thought and was successful as hell with them up until I was 25 or so. Then I got shamed by women and beta dudes in my community for "using" them and being an "asshole" and I actually fell for it and tried to "improve" myself and be a "nice guy". Well, after that detrimental change for the supposeed better was the longest dry spell and worse success with women I've experienced in my life. And foolishly I thought my lack of success was because I was still an "asshole woman user" and went further downhill. I'm just now waking up to the huge load of bullshit I was fed by the shaming, jealous, beta guys and sour post wall women.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I did a similar thing when an ex and I broke up about a year and a half after I discovered PUA.

I ended things with her - because she was near wall and talking babies all the time. But I really, really liked her otherwise. I rationalized it as me losing her because I was an, "asshole", and decided to go full on blue pill.

Boom. Instant 3 month long dry spell.

Went back to how I was before?

Laid by three different girls within 2 or 3 weeks.

[–]_bluerabbit_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

True but is hard not let the hate or the void consume you.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I would really love to see more of the posting history of the commenters who are supporting his mother's POV.

Fortunately, that iron ain't lifting itself, and that money ain't making itself so I don't have the time.

I was in a similar boat as this poor dude, maybe the same as some of you are: nice and chivalrous win the day, though that day is probably next week.

This is why I've never accepted my mom's insistence on setting me up. Every one of the girls she has tried to bring to me has been like a 5. And since I was raised pretty religious, banging was out of the question. I don't want the kind of girl my mom wants to set me up with, I want the kind of girl that I can get on my own, especially if that means bettering myself to raise the bar a little.

Then again, I really mostly dig white chicks and, being black, this is not what my mom wants for me. She once sat next to me with my middle school yearbook, found the four black girls in there, picked the cutest one and tried to get me to react.

K.

[–]crazytrpr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"...nice and chivalrous win the day, though that day is probably next week." Steeling that quote ;o)

[–]srsly_forever_alone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And for the most part, they're right.

Ha ha.

seem to be awakening to the truth as well.

Slowly but surely. I believe every man on the sub would benefit immensely from subscribing here, and express this when appropriate.

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[–]mkopec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was me as well, bro. Except it happened to me way before the internet so no resources were available like this 80s-90s. I was never into feminism per say, but I sure was into the nice guy frame. Put myself through school, great career, bought a house, and yet I was still alone while my pizza delivering friends were getting laid. Then I met a soon to be hitting the wall chick. It just all makes perfect sense now, but too little too late. Bet your damned ass I will be teaching my 2 sons about this shit.

[–]Silhouettedweirdo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

thank god i found this sub-reddit.my dad was an alpha guy but he died when i was 12 before he had the oppurtunity to actually teach me about dating. i was always the timid guy that was nice to everyone. but i didnt know how to say no. i hardly dated and i was always told that women like the super romantic sensitive guy. and took that advice and became soft. every girl i dated i put on a pedestal and i was whipped. my best friend constantly called me out on it. i always ignored him thinking hes bullshitting. but he did way better than me. he always had women orbiting. i was always normal around girls i knew. which landed me in another relationship. i ended up constantly using my mothers advice when i dated. i ended up pulling out the pedestal again and fucked that up. but lately. i started listening to the black phillip show all over again. its made me sit and rethink. my biggest weakness is approaching women. i can make brief eye contact in a group and hold it there. i know im slightly witty but i fuck up when it comes to starting conversation. it gets hard carrying it all.

[–]markfeel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to visit that subreddit. It's one the most fucking dreary and hopeless pages on reddit.

But none of them are waking up. A few of them are even spouting the usual anti-TRP talking points. But whatever. That's their problem. If they want to continue down their path to life failure, let them. It really is sad since you'd think the people who understand what it's like to be unsuccessful with women by being nice guys would have TRP click with them and their experiences.

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[–]Doctor_Mayhem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This shit right here is how revolutions begin.

[–]throwaway209084 4 points4 points [recovered]

When you guys were in beta courting phases, did anyone else go alpha as default when actually in the relationship? My parents were divorced I was fed all this feminist bullshit from my mom, but when I actually started dating the beta thing was more of an act, and I would go alpha as I got used to the girls.

[–]NAmember81 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and I was constantly shamed for "using women".

[–]RAGING_ERECTION 3 points3 points [recovered]

Gender dynamics are going to get very interesting in the next 10 years or so.

Feminism will just keep pushing more and more until men have literally no social power whatsoever. I sincerely believe there will be some kind of legally enforced cuckoldry / AFBB in the future.

Omegas and betas will get more and more angry and I believe 1 or more of the following will happen;

  1. We will see a huge rise in men adopting RP principles and concepts.

  2. Huge rise in MGTOW.

  3. Huge rise in male suicide rates (but no one will really care)

  4. More frustrated men pulling some Elliott Rodgers type stunt.

Honestly, I think the most likely outcomes are numbers 2 and 3.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hasn't 4 already started happening? I think there was another virgin killer in the news.

[–]starvinmarvin30 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a single father to young boys ages 4 & 2, I fear the inevitable of their mother marrying a Beta Bux whom they will call Stepdad. Although I have my son's on a 50 / 50 split, the times they are with their mother I have no control over what seeps into their brains.

[–]foldpak111 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"noticed that whenever we drove anywhere together my mom would just sit there in her seat after we had parked and she wouldn't exit the vehicle until Barry opened the door for her."

He must get all the girls.

[–]NightGod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reading this makes me want to go outside and beat on my Wavemaster for an hour or two, but I don't need pissed off neighbors. I know what I'm doing first thing in the morning...

[–]circlhat 6 points7 points  (22 children)

perspective that Nice Guys are actually evil patriarchal monsters because as a former Nice Guy myself

I even see this attitude among red pillers, they let feminism redefine male honor being extended to females as something hateful and fake.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (18 children)

that's because it is fake. These guys are acting that way not because they want to but because they expect something in return. That's why overly nice people make people feel uncomfortable. They don't understand the implicit request for reciprocity that's in their behavior.

The hard part is recognizing you're being fake because they think they're being genuinely good guys

[–]bitches_be_crazy86 6 points7 points  (8 children)

Stop with this bullshit. Sure it's so fake to expect reciprocity and being treated like a human being.

It's sloots shaming men into being a beta slave and ask nothing in return.

It's like saying work for 50 hours a week and if you employer doesn't pay you then you weren't working hard enough.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

read No More Mr Nice Guy. I don't think I'm getting my point across

[–]bitches_be_crazy86 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Nahh you don't get it.

It's not that they want men to stop being nice guys tm. They want them to be helpless BETA orbiters ready to jump through hoops.

They just want it no strings attached - be a beta and don't expect anything or you're a creep/manipulative jerk.

Reciprocity is fundamental to society, economics etc. Without it there wouldn't be shops as no one would pay for shit but just steal.

Why work if you can't expect to get paid ? Everything around us is built on the basis of commonly understood rules and we have things in place to correct those who ignore them.

Women want the nice guys to exist - they want to take advantage of them but want to avoid any accountability for it or even feeling bad for it. Thus shame shifting / creep shaming.

Shaming the nice guys is esentially their fight to keep AF BB status quo in place. Eat a cake and have it too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Have you read the book? no. i get you're in the anger phase but willfully misunderstanding shit to stay there isn't going to help you at all

[–]QQ_L2P 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The things you mentioned, reciprocity and equivalent exchange, are almost exclusively male traits, because men deal primarily in logic and there's a fundamental understanding that cooperation is required to get things done. Bro's before ho's and all that.

As far as I can tell, what you're saying is that Women want Nice Guys to exist because they are part of their pluralistic sexual strategy (AFBB), where as the other fella is trying to explain where Nice Guys come from.

A boy raised right will be naturally Red Pill. He'll know his own value, how to validate himself from within and how to enforce his own boundaries. He won't ever need to read things like TRP or frequent a PuA forum, because it's been taught to him by someone (usually the dad) who understood what was going on around them. Nice guys arise when there's an error in the childs upbringing. They are neglected in some way or taught values that do not benefit them. In the world of the child, their greatest fear is abandonment. Conversely, their greatest validation is recognition by their parents. Nice guys are formed when the child feels like they have to act a certain way (not be themselves and put on an act) to get that validation from their parents. The book goes into it in far more detail, but that's the gist of it.

You're both right, but watching you two talk is like a Chinese person trying to read Cyrillic for the first time. It's rather amusing to watch you two argue two different points and neither of you giving an inch.

[–]crazytrpr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If your employer doesn't pay you then you go on strike or change jobs. Guys who constantly do favors for women hoping to get sex are like punk bitch employees who keep working expecting to get paid. They are viewed as chumps or less commonly very dangerous threats.

Not right just is

[–]circlhat 7 points8 points  (8 children)

OP is acting the way he acts because he is getting a return, if being nice worked for him he would be doing it

The hard part is recognizing you're being fake because they think they're being genuinely good guys

Overly nice is not even needed to kill attraction, nice guy is simply a guy who has adopted the female sexual strategy.

Girls like masculine guys, girls are submissive, being nice guy(tm) is submissive. Nice guys ask a girl where to go , instead of suggesting a place.

You make it seem nice guys are the type of guy to give a girl a car and get mad when they don't sleep with them.

These guys are acting that way not because they want to but because they expect something in return.

That's pretty much everyone on any level, your job, your wife, your friends. You are always expecting a return in your investment, if you friend don't make you happy and give you those chemicals you get new friends

tl;dr your suppose to extract value and get something in return in every relationship, the problem is treating girls like you want to be treated is the wrong way.

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[–]circlhat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

paying for dinner and letting her choose the restaurant are minor fouls. However why miss a opportunity to get her to view you as alpha early on.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

You make it seem nice guys are the type of guy to give a girl a car and get mad when they don't sleep with them.

That's an absurd example -- but yes they are those type of guys.

There's a difference between your friend doing something that you like and your friend doing something because he thinks you'll like it.

That's the difference between real and fake people.

[–]circlhat 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Nice guys treat people how they want to be treated, they treat you very nice and hopes you will treat them nice, they haven't learn how to negotiate properly.

Lets take bowing in china, if you bow to someone in the USA you are going to be seen as the biggest douche in the world, however if you don't bow in china you are consider rude and disrespectful.

Are Chinese people fake? no they are bowing to make friends, keep cultural norms, follow social rules, nice guys have been given the wrong social rules, they aren't faking anything, I felt like a complete asshole for the longest time when I stop being nice guy tm.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get what you're saying, but I feel compelled to point out that friends do things because their friends like them all the time. Although, the fucking them for doing so afterward isn't really a thing.

At least, not for me.

[–]Purecorrupt 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I don't see it as evil, but there are some guys that emanate high levels of fake nice guy and it disgusts me. My friend tells me about a coworker who tries hard to look good and shows up to meetings he doesn't need to be in. It's obvious enough to warrant buying him some knee pads. In his personal life he's so whipped it kind of grosses me out. I saw a picture of him his 2 kids and wife and started making fun of him saying his wife had to purposefully buy turquoise shit for everyone just for that picture. Cause no one just has family matching turquoise clothes sitting around. I was joking, but I realized how butthurt he was later when he would make feeble weak attempts to try and shit talk me.

Honestly all of that wouldn't bother me that much if I didn't know he was on a leash and had to leave work at 3 every day and would never grab lunch anywhere because he had no rights to his own money. I realize that the strategy of most males/females in the south seem to be get married in college or asap, but there is a threshold where I will lose all respect for someone.

[–]newspaper_nerd 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Does cuckold refer to a man being cheated on, or raising another man's child?

[–]antariusz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Raising another man's child, or being complicit in your wife fucking other men (often with the intention of getting pregnant by them).

[–]ChadThundercockII 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, is someone going to get this guy over here ? or at least send him something from the sidebar ?

[–]SparkyTemper 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I was raised by a single mom and then a BP step-dad. Learning now (at 45) what I should have learned as a child just pisses me off. Like I needed another reason to dislike her. And I only have daughters so can't even pass this stuff down.

[–]UlyssesElias 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Of course you can pass this stuff down. What on earth are you teaching your daughters? You're providing them with an example of what type of boyfriends/lovers/partners/husbands they should look for

[–]tedcase 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was a point in my life at which I was so fucking low I could have, but at the whim of a flipped coin, taken the red pill path or the forever alone path. The latter is less of a path and more of a slippery slope and the former is more like a cliff face. I am still climbing that cliff face, but I know that I am a far better man for trying.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would like to point out that a key difference between TRP and other "manosphere" ideologies is that by our defining principle, we accept reality.

The forever alone types and the incels just seem to be wallowing in self-pity. "If only things were different" they cry. But things aren't different, so why bother fantasizing? We say: here's reality. We say: this is what women respond positively to. Build or accentuate those qualities if you can, do your best to emulate them if you can't.

"But that's not fair!" they whine. TRP doesn't deal in what's fair, only in what is. Fairness is an issue of morality. It's not for us to decide what's fair - indeed, nature is rarely fair.

To continue the thought, MGTOWs seem to be largely about anger at women (or perhaps, at our present culture). I realize that anger, and even the whining mentioned above, may sometimes creep in here, but I don't think this is what TRP is about. And unlike MGTOWs, we have a way of excising it: I accept reality. I am no more angry at women for being women than I would be angry at a rain cloud for raining on me. It'd just be a waste of my time, and my time is precious.

And finally, TRP is not activism. We aren't trying to change the world. That's MRA territory. All we do is accept reality.

I'm sorry that you were lied to by society. You very likely were set up for failure in sexual relationships and you probably wasted a decade or more being frustrated, confused, and shit on. But what are you going to do now - today and for the rest of your life?? You can waste more time crying about the past. You can waste more time with anger, stomping your feet like a child and screaming, "it shouldn't be this way!" You can give up (and in all honesty, I can kind of respect a guy who says it's not worth the effort - I'm only criticizing people who whine about it).

...you can go the blue pill way and bury your head in the sand. You can believe in magic and unicorns and you can just keep on "being yourself" and being patient. I mean, you'll end up like this but you know, whatever.

Or you can accept reality - even when you don't like it - even when it sucks - even when it means you've already missed out on a lot of great opportunities because of the lies you believed. You can do your best from here on and make the most of what you've got left.

And maybe you never achieve much success. Maybe reality is that nobody will ever love you because you're short and stupid. TRP isn't a magical potion that makes women like you. It's just the truth, and often the truth is that you aren't going to win. Rejection is just a part of life for guys. That's another reality you have to accept. It's a numbers game.

All you can do is try though - and crying isn't trying.

[–]Sks44 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ami can identify with that dude. Being raised in a single parent home with just a mom can make you see things from a pretty ducked up perspective. Any advice for someone with similar issues?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Maybe this is someone from TRP who tries to gently lay down the truth by an "example".

[–]UlyssesElias 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went to the original post on Forever Alone and reading it made me really sad. It's hard to know what kind of relationship this guy has with his father and biological father but I wonder where these two men are in his life?

He obviously has a really intense relationship with his mother that he sees only in sexual terms. Her mothering has failed him because she has failed to equip him for sex.

I just feel terribly sad when I read this. I hope this guy can forge strong relationships with other relatives and friends besides just his mother. Nobody, man or woman can grow into a fully rounded human if they don't learn from other relationships with friends and relatives: fathers, brothers and sisters, uncles and aunts, grandparents and cousins. To have only an intense relationship with your mother is too imbalanced. The best thing is for him to restore proper balance is by pursuing friends and family connections that even out such a lopsided world view

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I hate to tell you but tons of the stuff on FA is made up. There's one poster I know who has like 200 accounts he/she posts on daily. In addition to five+ subs stocked with all his alts talking to each other every day. Trippy as fuck.

[–]ucfgavin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

that is one of the most cringy, embarrassing things i've ever read if true....wow what a life.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some of use should go over there and drop the Red Bomb of truth onto those guys. They need it more than anyone.

[–]Postboned 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy shit. There is so much RP in that one post. I am proud of that guy, truly.

[–]C00l_Guy -1 points0 points  (2 children)

A better question why would you be in /r/foreveralone ?

[–]mrBuddyPalGuy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I read it all the time, along with /r/smalldickproblems.whenever I'm going through some shit, reading other people's depressed rants help me remember that I have it pretty good. I think it's the same reason the fight club guy goes to cancer support groups.

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