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Red Pill TheoryMen Just Don't Trust Women -- And It's A Huge Problem [HuffPo male hamster comes close to RP truth] (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorGarl_Vinland

The article: https://archive.today/ocr0k

This article is a great example of the male hamster at work. Here we have a male feminist realizing that he doesn't trust his wife, because she is a woman. This of course is a huge social issue, for which men are entirely at fault.

Trust. Well, the lack thereof. Generally speaking, we (men) do not believe things when they're told to us by women. Well, women other than our mothers or teachers or any other woman who happens to be an established authority figure. Do we think women are pathological liars? No. But, does it generally take longer for us to believe something if a woman tells it to us than it would if a man told us the exact same thing? Definitely!

This conversation is how, after five months of marriage, eight months of being engaged, and another year of whatever the hell we were doing before we got engaged, I realized I don't trust my wife.

This is a pretty good point that he makes, yet rather than go into why that is, the author chose to ignore that completely and make a sales pitch for the "Listen and Believe" mentality, and dive into some racial politics for good measure (this is huffpo after all.)

Here is how he wraps up the article:

So how do we remedy this? And can it even be remedied? I don't know. This distrust of women's feelings is so ingrained, so commonplace that I'm not even sure we (men) realize it exists. I can do one thing, though. The next time my wife tells me how upset she is about something I'm not sure she should be that upset about, trust her. After five months of marriage, eight months of being engaged, and another year of whatever the hell we were doing before we got engaged, it's the least I can do.

Again, rather than address why this "problem" exists, the best thing to do is just Listen and Believe.

The author is absolutely right in his assessment that many men have a hard time believing women, especially when their feelings are involved. The reason for this is pretty apparent to anyone willing to look.

Men, even those raised to be a good supplicating beta, understand at a basic level the difference between power talk and straight talk.

If you haven't read through Powertalk and other Language Categories from the sidebar, now would be a good time.

Women are usually far more skilled at powertalk than men. Most of them instinctively understand that you don't say things because they're true, you say things to get what you want. If they're true, that's just a coincidence.

And most men, to some extent, realize this. This is what the author is dancing around. The simple fact is, men don't trust women because women have repeatedly shown that they are not deserving of trust. Life experience teaches men that women's default method of communication is geared not toward the truth, but toward getting something they want.

They're afraid of the creation of a sort of hybrid, a man who understands powertalk well enough to see through their bullshit, but not well enough to create his own bullshit and actually thus BE attractive. That's why they use the term "rapist"... because such a man is indeed frighteningly like a rapist... he ignores social defenses against unattractive men (because he can READ powertalk), but he can't make the leap to being an attractive man (because he cannot WRITE powertalk).

This is what is happening more and more. This is why Listen and Believe has to be pushed so hard. With the internet allowing information to be shared, men are increasingly becoming aware of the way that women use power talk, but are not learning how to use it themselves. More men becoming this "hybrid" as /u/Whisper calls it means less BB, but not more AF. Basically, these are the MGTOW, and this is the reason why they are so disgusting to women.

Women's power is manipulation of men. The mere existance of a man who won't be manipulated is an attack on the feminine primacy that feminists have worked so hard to build.


[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 286 points287 points  (97 children)

The author gave his own TLDR buried in the article:

Until she convinces me otherwise, I assume that her emotional reaction to a situation is disproportionate to my opinion of what level of emotional reaction the situation calls for. Basically, if she's on eight, I assume the situation is really a six.

That... is... COMPLETELY ACCURATE. Women's emotional freakouts are almost always overreactions compared to the severity of the situation. That is why, as this man does, you have to probe into the situation to see if any response is warranted.

None of this is a goddamn problem. When women can stop being "the boy that cried wolf" every time something triggers an emotion, then we'll start taking them more seriously. Of course, I don't believe that will happen.

[–][deleted] 145 points146 points  (13 children)

When I first got married, I went through this adjustment phase. I'd be working in my home office and would hear my wife scream from downstairs, "Oh, my God! On, no!" I'd race down, expecting to have to eject an intruder from my house. I get down and look around...

Me: "What's wrong?"

Her (gasping for breath): "I saw a bug!"

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 207 points208 points  (6 children)

A lot of older men in their sixties and seventies simply dont respond to their wive's yelling. Fourty years of marriage have shown them that whatever she is yelling about is less interesting than the newspaper.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 62 points63 points  (2 children)

Shit, two years of it and you tune them out like bells and whistles in pinball.

[–]1oldredder 8 points9 points  (1 child)

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I can't unhear that now, any time it plays, I hear cowbell.

[–]the_one_demiurge 22 points23 points  (0 children)

We just tell them we are going deaf.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You just described my BP grandfather. He's married to a feminist psychopath who has literally said for as long as I can remember statements such as: "men are useless now that we have sperm banks", "we should get rid of men", etc. etc.

Forty years of marriage and he now "forgets" to put in his hearing aids half the time. Last time I saw him he actually confided in me that it was because he didn't want to hear her bullshit anymore.

And its funny because she literally told me "I hope he dies first because I don't know what he would do without me." You literally cannot make this shit up.

[–]BlackHeart89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Either that or they're hoping she's being dragged away.

[–]Philhelm 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Oh, God, this! Any time my wife screams I think that one of my daughters tripped and knocked out their teeth, but it usually turns out to be something like burnt popcorn.

[–]zikkitzo 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I am a deep sleeper. My LTR has this way of sucking in her breath that will wake me from a dead sleep full adrenalin surge pumping ready to fight 20 armed attackers. She goes to work 2 hours before me so when I get woken up like this it's pretty much an hour or so of my day wasted on Reddit before I have to start getting ready. I've yet to get back to sleep. And to think, it was all because her childhood friend's dog died last night and it was on her Facebook feed... fucking hell.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Or, "My bestie just got engaged!"

[–]95wave 38 points39 points  (3 children)

Learned this the hard way by observing my mother, probably one of the first things that led me down the path of redpill

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Lol this is exactly how I realized women can't help but to overreact to shit. When I was a kid, I thought my mom was just out of her mind. Come to find out most women are out of their mind.

I'm thankful for my mother though. Dealing with her taught me how to calm these bitches down.

[–]95wave 8 points9 points  (0 children)

one of the few good things my mum taught me

[–]asdfghjkltyu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They overreact to meaningless shit but underreact to important things.

[–]ErenYeager91 57 points58 points  (11 children)

A lot of guys are asking themselves, why do they exaggerate everything and often go nuts?

The answer is simple. They enjoy it. Women's love drama. And no matter how disturbing she seems, don't be fooled by it. She feels very comfortable in those situations. Now, why do they do that? I think they are just addicted to it, they make drama so they can feel alive.

But it does not matter why they do that, we only need to know that she is enjoying it and everything is just fine.

[–]DoctorsHateHim 37 points38 points  (5 children)

Half right, my friend. They create drama not to feel alive (that is just a byproduct), they create drama to get attention. They thrive on attention.

[–]2wiseclockcounter 23 points24 points  (3 children)

It is a product of their evolution. Everything about a woman from a SMV standpoint is designed to ensnare male attention and capitalize on it. Emotional volatility is the tool with which women trap men and get them to fall in love with them. Bonding is achieved through hardship. By creating trials for a man, she is both testing to see if he is easily manipulated and wiring him to care for her, which is really the essence of a male loving a female.

It may seem paradoxical at first, but by luring a man into comforting her, she's systematically rewiring his brain towards maintaining the role of provider and caretaker which enables him to love her in the first place.

[–]asdfghjkltyu 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yep. Spot on. Notice how basically every woman has a sob story when you first meet? Of course, later down the track you learn its usually of her own causing.

[–]1oldredder 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They do it even when they don't get/expect attention.

[–]Pantek51 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I completely agree but I've met a lot of guys with the same bitchy mentality

[–]the_red_scimitar 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I think there's more to this. I think women in our society are told they should be self-sufficient, but that's lip service. In reality, most are incredibly incompetent to carry out day-to-day tasks, like doing necessary paperwork, fixing something barely broken, etc. The overreaction is possibly contributed to by the fact they really CAN'T handle the situation - even a trivial one - and this is how anybody will "help" them.

[–]asdfghjkltyu 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The overreaction is possibly contributed to by the fact they really CAN'T handle the situation - even a trivial one - and this is how anybody will "help" them.

Men jump to their assistance all their life. I know women with low SMV who are very self sufficient.

[–]the_red_scimitar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right - the only self-sufficient higher SMV ladies I've known were "ugly ducklings" - fat or otherwise physically unattractive until adulthood. They developed actual skills, abilities to deal with things, a real sense of humor, etc. Even when they became quite beautiful, they were fun, interesting people in their own right.

[–]BlackHeart89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I concluded a while back that women love drama. They need it. If it isn't there, they will create it. Before TRP, that was what I would now call a shit test.

Part of me still thinks that its really just them craving drama, rather than them testing us. But like you said, it doesn't really matter. Bullshit is bullshit. Who cares "why" its there....

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 106 points107 points  (33 children)

Basically, if she's on eight, I assume the situation is really a six.

That... is... COMPLETELY ACCURATE.

No it's not. If she's emotionally reacting on a 9, it's really somewhere around a 2 or 3.

Having seen female emotional reactions change within less than a second and have no future consequences or regret for her... having seen a woman in tears and the next day say "oh, that was nothing"... nah.

Her feelings and emotions are transient and have very little to do with the real world. They exist to get something, or exert control, like a child crying to get a toy.

[–][deleted] 92 points93 points  (25 children)

Her feelings and emotions are transient and have very little to do with the real world. They exist to get something, or exert control, like a child crying to get a toy.

Often the woman is just as manipulated by her own feelings, rather than using them to consciously manipulate. Women can fully believe something is true, because their feelings make it feel real for them.

[–]_the_shape_ 44 points45 points  (8 children)

Hence why they tend to gravitate toward mysticism and astrology so often, and not toward the hard sciences - the former invokes feelings and emotions, the latter, not so much..

[–]occupythekitchen 19 points20 points  (4 children)

you must known my grandma she said she saw an angel of death around me on new year's eve and prayed it away. thanks grandma for saving me from your imaginary devil.

[–]TreePlusTree 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Well, you're not dead, so I think you owe her a real thank you.

[–]xyoloboyx 3 points4 points  (2 children)

This ungrateful prick has absolutely NO respect for the elderly.

[–]TreePlusTree 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Nor their ghost removal powers. Seriously, when this guy gets old, he's gonna look back and feel like such a dumbass for dissing grammy's bitter brawl with the angel of death. If that doesn't impress him, what will! I'm just hope when I one day have a grandson, he's not nearly the ungrateful prick this kid turned out to be. SHE FOUGHT A DEATH GHOST FOR GOD SAKE! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

[–]Modredpillschool 8 points9 points  (1 child)

For women, their emotions define reality, and not the other way around. If she's feeling a certain way, then there must be a real objective reason she is feeling that way. Whereas for men, we base our feelings on reality.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I honestly question that it doesn't apply to men. It's just easier for women since they get a pass for it. For how much bullshit that comes out of people's mouths, it's hard for me to believe that it's very much different.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 15 points16 points  (14 children)

Women can fully believe something is true, because their feelings make it feel real for them.

Unknown to me. I don't know if they know the truth and hide it, or can't see it, or have no real concept of truth.

[–]sensitiveduck 59 points60 points  (13 children)

I have met 2 women in my life telling me this literally: "When I lie about something important, I truly make myself believe the lie. The lie becomes truth in my head"

[–]Gaffots_cuck_central 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Ah, the ol George Costanza tactic. It's technically not a lie if you believe it.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Wow. I am amazed. That they realise they do this and they admit they do this. I think most do the same trick to persuade themselves that they are honest and good.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's an act of consensual doublethink, so not a form of cognitive dissonance but something more akin to wilful compartmentalisation.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I wonder if they can convince themselves it's the truth enough to pass a polygraph.

[–]LaconicHistrionic 13 points13 points [recovered]

Interestingly, polygraphs only work if you believe that they work. Otherwise, you can easily trick it.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Or you simply ask yourself another question on top of the question being asked.

Did you murder your wife?

-do I want to go to jail-

No.

[–]1DRMMR76 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Funny you say that. My very first super LTR, which lasted almost 5 years, told me the same thing. She was a pretty sheltered girl and I actually swiped her v-card (saw the blood and felt the tear) so I don't think her hamster was fully developed yet*, and she told me something very similar. She told me at one point that when something in her life doesn't go her way, she basically imagines that what she wanted happened until she really believes it did and then feels better. It seemed kinda odd when she said it but I was much younger and much much more BP so I didn't see it for what it was. But she pretty much bluntly told me about the hamster process, but unfortunately I didn't see her admission for what it was at the time.

*I say not fully developed because while she clearly had the feminine ability to invent new realities in her head and convince herself they are true, she was still too naive to know as a woman she's never supposed to admit that to a man.

[–]leifastagsweed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's called narcissism and it's present in men and women.

[–]SilentForTooLong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is truly the only way to lie.

I do the same thing, it works unbelievably well.

[–]BlackHeart89 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yep. I had a chick tell me that I said her being sexually assaulted doesn't matter and she should get over it.

What I actually said is, "I understand how you feel. But what I'm saying is that it has nothing to do with this particular situation".

Later, after she calmed down, she admitted to being over emotional and very irrational and apologized.

Thats when I learned to never argue with a woman when she is upset. It will only cause more trouble.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Or merely to get her emotional nut off. Just for the sake of experiencing emotion.

[–]the_red_scimitar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel you are completely spot on here.

Not only do they obviously use extreme emotion to control people or get something, that gets mixed with the general pussy-pass lack of responsibility allowed them by the so-called "patriarchy".

Oh yeah, and don't forget the complete mental inability to see the hypocrisy of their own "arguments" against these points.

[–]mister_barfly75 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You said "triggers." That triggered my triggers. I don't care if that's the only word I saw when I was scrolling down the page, you better tone you language down or I'll get a warrent out for the internet police and then you'll be raped in jail.

Oh no! I've just said raped, now I've triggered myself!

Fuck!

/s

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But that too, is deliberate. Women want you to be a 6 emotional-freakout-level and therefore they must be an eight. They know instinctively how emotions are not perfectly transmissive. When she can be an 8 and you are a 2 emotion-level, she gains mad respect for you.

[–]DaphneDK 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That... is... COMPLETELY ACCURATE. Women's emotional freakouts are almost always overreactions compared to the severity of the situation. That is why, as this man does, you have to probe into the situation to see if any response is warranted.

I've learned not to take it too serious, but I love that bubbly happy/emotional/enthusiastic quality about women. Jaded/sarcastic girls do nothing for me.

[–]SilentForTooLong 9 points10 points  (14 children)

The thing is, women are fully capable of controlling their emotions. If they weren't they wouldn't be able to hold jobs, yet clearly they can hold jobs.

So it's quite weird. They only do it because it is socially acceptable to do it. Just have to shut it down hard and make it clear that it is shameful to do.

Slight thoughts though: I feel like this could also maybe be declining with the generations. My mother freaks out about incredibly small shit all the time = learned to ignore it a long time ago. But younger women don't seem to freak out nearly as much. Same seems to go for generally older women I interact with versus younger women.

[–]Redpillc0re 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Women do bring emotions to the workplace. They will shun responsibility forcing men to do the work when they feel inadequate. It's common place in my field, IT. And then on top of that they complain that there are not enough women in IT. It's called pussy pass.

[–]SilentForTooLong 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Why can't they be fired for not doing their jobs exactly?

[–]Redpillc0re 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Because their beta male colleagues do help them stay there.

[–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The hell?... Is there no way you can file objective reports?

Surely this can't be true in all circumstances.

I guess I am lucky to have never worked in these environments. I will always try to make damn sure this is never tolerated in any companies I own though.

[–]Hoodwink 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Is there no way you can file objective reports?

Probably not. In my small experience, most places with an over-representation of hysterical women tend to be government and easy corporate jobs not directly connected with product. Those also attract pushover men.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Having seen numerous women who can't hold jobs I'll go with the combined population and say you're just witnessing the ones that get past interviews. Plenty never will.

[–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I mean, it seems like we shouldn't deny reality...there are examples of successful businesswomen in the world, aren't there? Isn't one of them the CEO of reddit?

Same goes for men, too in regards to some of them not being able to hold a job it seems like.

[–]1DRMMR76 4 points5 points  (3 children)

If by successful you mean blatantly incompetent, hell-bent on twisting reddit into a SJW echo chamber, and so utterly in love with her own self-perceived perfection that she blames every one of her own shortcoming on male sexual harassment, then yeah, one of them is the CEO of reddit.

Thankfully the court saw through her bullshit. Hopefully the reddit board will soon enough and boot her on her ass.

[–]SilentForTooLong 1 point2 points  (2 children)

By successful I mean she worked at a premier venture capital firm, which is a goal that is unachievable for 99% of the people in the world, and is now the CEO of one of the largest websites in the world, something unachievable for even fewer people on the planet.

Maybe she is a shitty person, but it's ludicrous to sit there and say she isn't successful because you disagree with her personal politics. It's the kind of ridiculous hamstering I would expect from a full-retard feminist on TwoX honestly. It's the kind of shameless, self-serving shit that men on here are constantly calling women out on.

You can hate all you want, but you should not deny objective reality in trying to make some self-serving point.

[–]1DRMMR76 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The reality is that it's on record from her court case that she's a terrible person to work for, with, and have working for you. She's a bad employee and and even worse boss. She had no problem filing a false lawsuit just to get her way when actual hard work was too much for her. That's not just my opinion. That's the opinion of people who actually testified in her court case, and a major reason why she lost. Enron was successful too...until it was revealed to be a sham that was rotten to the core underneath a shiny facade. She is a human Enron. Her success to this point has been entirely through manipulation and not at all from being an actual effective leader or employee, and it's just now being revealed.

[–]Poldonis 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Please refrain from using the word "trigger", it triggers me

[–]CMidnight 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Men are socialized to be stoic in the face of danger. In the past, loss of social acceptance was a fate worse than death. It usually resulted in exclusion from society. Think of the outlaws of Medievil England. It was completely legal to commit any crimes against them. Women rarely had face such punishment since the survival of one's society depends on their ability to carry children. This is the reason why men rarely fear the treat of violent crime despite that we comprise 80% of its vicitims.

I also think that 90% of the red pill philosophy is bullshit.

[–]Redpillc0re 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Men are stoic by nature. 70% of men in this subreddit were socialized to be the opposite of stoic by overprotective/manipulative parents and media. Most discover they true potential by saying "fuck you" to all this, and going stoic. I find it hard to believe that it's all constructed by society. Are women not socialized to be stoic? They absolutely are. Are they ? Hell no.

90% of every philosophy is bullshit. TRP is better than any other philosophy though.

[–]the_red_scimitar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To paraphrase Ted Sturgeon, 90% of anything is crap.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 148 points149 points  (16 children)

Women lie all the time, especially about anything related to sex.

How does this fact become the problem of "distrust of women?" It would be like claiming murder is a problem but the REAL problem is that we get nervous when we are alone with murderers.

We distrust women because they lie constantly. The problem isn't that we don't trust women. The problem is that women are not trustworthy.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 84 points85 points  (13 children)

Women lie all the time, especially about anything related to sex.

"I have the right to change my mind!"

Yep you do. And we have the right to not believe a word you say after you've been proved a liar.

[–]mister_barfly75 51 points52 points  (5 children)

"I have the right to change my mind!"

"Cindy, who was that gross looking dude you fucked at the party last year?"

"Which one?"

"You know, the one with the zits and the cheese breath."

"Umm... which party?"

"Lol, yoooooooouuu know, Brad's party."

"Which Brad?"

"The hot guy in English."

"Oh yeah! Awesome party!"

"Yeah, but you fucked an ugly dude though."

"I thought he was cute at the time."

"No way! He was hideous!"

"Really? I kinda liked him"

"No way, they only way you could have liked him is if you were drunk."

"FUCK! I GOT RAPED!"

[–]GC0W30 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Would slap this on my Facebook wall if there weren't chicks on my Facebook I'm trying to fuck.

Got a good laugh. Thanks.

[–]1oldredder 10 points11 points  (2 children)

That's why anon-only online presence is best. Fuck facebook: if they won't let me use a fake name I don't need to be on it.

[–]2wiseclockcounter 4 points5 points  (1 child)

tangent here- without a free reign internet, the kind of controversial ideas we talk about here wouldn't be possible because everyone would have access to your opinions. not an internet I want to participate in.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I assume they're all full of shit until I'm constantly proven wrong. I've only had one chick in my entire life shut down all my arguments and left me feeling stupid each time without even realizing it. lol

[–]TheRealMouseRat 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Your example with murder is a bit flawed. A better example is: Murder is a problem, but the REAL problem is that when someone is running towards you with a knife screaming "I'll fucking kill you!", that people actually run away. No people have to trust the person to not kill you. Even if the person has stabbed you one time, you should just stand there and keep getting stabbed. To phrase the article title in the same analogy it would be:

"People run away from people who try to kill them - And it's a huge problem"

[–]eaton80 52 points53 points  (51 children)

A "real man" by their definition is a willing and unconditional cuckold.

[–]TheReasoner94 29 points30 points  (50 children)

Lol I was reading an article on the HuffPo a while back about some dude who had a 3some with his girl and another chick and he couldn't handle them both, he was warning other guys not to do it because after all "we only have 1 penis". The amount of cuckolds that replied saying they like to invite another man for MFM "3somes" (thats a gangbang cuckolds not a 3some) was crazy, of course all the slutty women were agreeing with them and giving them thumbs up whilst down thumbing the dudes talking about MFF. I've not read anything from the HuffPo since, it caters to cuckold betas and feminazi sluts, i'm not about that life.

[–]foldpak111 23 points24 points  (8 children)

I'd never do mfm lol that's pretty pathetic

[–]TheReasoner94 10 points11 points  (3 children)

You would have to be beta as fuck to even consider it, i'd drop the slut on the spot if she even asked for one.

[–]SpeakNoTruths 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I'd never do a mfm with a girl I was dating, but my buddy and I double-teamed a chick we had both been fucking before she ran off back to university. It was fucking hilarious, at one point I said "we are ruining you, no guy is going to want you after this" she just laughed, eventually swallowing both our loads.

She still messages us both on Facebook whenever she's in town bahaha

[–]TheReasoner94 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Lol that's an epic story, she probably has some beta on a leash as a bf now whilst she msgs you, these hoes aint loyal man but fuck it if she's not one of my friends chicks i'm gonna smash and make her my bitch before sending her back to beta provider. :D

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I exerpienced these hoes aint loyal from the other end of the stick last week. Before TRP i remember when i got cheated on. Last weekend i drove up to meet this girl whose had a bf for 6 months now that she 'loooves soooo much' and right when she hopped in the car was all over me, and the rest is history boys. Gg TRP

[–]HeyZeus121 3 points4 points  (25 children)

Good god. That sounds absolutely hilarious.

[–]TheReasoner94 6 points7 points  (24 children)

There are some funny strange people out there, cuckolds have to be the most pathetic human beings on earth, I just can't justify in my head how much of a weak pathetic bitch you would have to be to let a woman walk all over you like that, nor do I understand why any woman would date a loser like that. Scary to think we breathe the same air as these people and more than likely work with these types of "men".

[–]HeyZeus121 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Weakness, inadequacy, complacency, self-satisfaction, and irrationality are all celebrated qualities these days.

[–]TheReasoner94 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We live in a soceity of beta males and feminazis. Men are becoming women and women becoming men due to these betas catering to women and putting pussy on a pedastal.

[–]GC0W30 2 points3 points  (4 children)

The only possible defense I've ever seen is that some of these guys are bi and are getting off on seeing the guy fuck.

That being said, I don't think that's the primary motivation for this shit. And the sane solution if you really find these guys hot is to... fuck those guys and leave your wife at home. A threesome is nothing besides an exercise in someone in the room getting neglected....

[–]RedHeimdall 3 points4 points  (0 children)

MFM "3somes" (thats a gangbang cuckolds not a 3some)

Exactly. I always correct them whenever I hear a chick talking about her "threesome" with Tom and Steve.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 51 points52 points  (67 children)

Trust is largely a function of expectations. The higher the expectations, the more it necessitates trust. The author of the linked article clearly still pedestalizes women, he has high expectations of them, which thus demands a certain level of trust in the authenticity of them as people and their actions.

The key from a TRP perspective is having more realistic expectations of women. Less trust is necessitated in that case.

Your comments about powertalk are spot on. Part of powertalk is also about having realistic expectations of the other person and their goals in any interaction: there is something they want, something they desire. You have to be prepared, have the right tools. You don't come to a swordfight with a wiffle bat.

[–]welpcomma 20 points20 points [recovered]

Your mention of authenticity is very apt, I feel. This is something I've been struggling with recently. As a student of Kierkegaard and Nietzsche, I find it very difficult indeed to move beyond the "hybrid" mentioned in the OP to a true Alpha mentality. As a participant in the conversation, do I act without authenticity by accepting the other's duplicity and responding in kind? How can I in good conscience use language for deceit and coercion? Yet, as we are discussing now, these are the tools of power. Even used with the best intentions, does not the tainted means corrupt the end?

Both parties are supposed to "get it" and thus the conversation becomes a dance, truth being revealed in the tension between what is said and what is meant. But what if both parties aren't on the same page? I certainly know how that feels as a transitioning Beta. Language is sacred, even to the lowest animal and insect. Does not the communicator have some duty of honesty toward his or her audience? The internet allows us to see how rampant misinformation can easily and quickly contaminate a conversation and have dire real world consequences, from Facebook-related depression to anti-vaccine nonsense.

How does one reconcile personal ethics with the demands of The Game? Are most women unworthy of such consideration simply because they were not well bred, or because they are "just women?" To apply such a maxim would be a true moral crisis above and beyond the one we face presently. I do intentionally break my own ethics specifically because it works and I will not be held celibate for eternity for the greater good. But it pains me every time - I'm sure I grimace visibly with each new absurdity I have to pour out to women, and they nonetheless lap it up eagerly, so apparently starved are they for the comfort of untruth. I lost the best girl I've ever had (physically speaking) a few months ago just because I couldn't keep my damn mouth shut and continue playing along. What a world.

[–]alucard4571 19 points20 points  (40 children)

Dude, you and me are on the same page. Had a girl visit on her break from school out of state. Last time she came down for a break one of the first things she did was mention her new boyfriend. This time, no such mention, she's sending me winky faces, so I figure "game on".

She shows up, cuddling ensues, I ask her if I shouldn't be so familiar with her and she says it's fine. I look at her phone and her background is still her and her boyfriend. I open a dialogue and apparently they're still dating, but it's ok, she's "flirty" with all her friends, she just doesn't have sex with them(standard ASD) even starts adding extenuating circumstances (unless I got so drunk I forgot I had one). Then she said "treat me like I'm engaged"(WTF???). I didn't lay a finger on her the rest of the night.

Could I have went ahead as planned, tripped with her and banged her brains out? Totally. But I was so put off by the whole process I had no interest in it. Before TRP I would've sighed and accepted what she said as truth, but now that I know she's lying I don't want her enough to bang her. If she had sat down and said "I'm still dating my boyfriend, but it's not serious anymore and I want to have some fun", we would've had some goddamn fun. But all the duplicity, all the bullshit just made me not want her.

I remark that I may not trip cause I don't want to stay up late if I'm not gonna have an absolute blast (work night) and we leave for the concert venue. I haven't become hostile or anything, I've just withdrawn my sexuality from the whole situation, the way I see it we're just friends now, by my choice. She goes on trying to explain that she likes the flirting and stuff but isn't that interested in sex anymore. I just nod and say "I understand".

It's been fucking with me man. I don't know if I just need to learn to enjoy the game more or what, but I felt genuinely dissapointed when she started in on that shit.

I could've been AF, but I didn't even see that value in it that night. After that night I guess I still don't, entirely.

If you figure it out, man, let me know.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 17 points18 points  (23 children)

Bringing up her boyfriend and asking all about him? If she wants to fuck you, she doesn't want that brought up. She either sees you as an upgrade or at least temporary AF. As far as she's concerned, he doesn't exist while you two are interacting.

"Should I be so familiar with you" - asking for permission, essentially. Least sexiest thing ever. It's like asking a girl if you can kiss her.

Her saying, "Unless I was so drunk I couldn't remember" was an open for you to drink with her and then fuck her, to remove culpability for her. If she was drinking it wasn't her fault, right?

You're judging her by male values and expected male behavior. She was acting as women do - if something happened with you, well, THAT is what was supposed to happen, full stop. To sorta get inside her head - if she fucks you and her boyfriend wasn't man enough to stop it, how is that her fault?

It's a twisted way of thinking, but it's how they think.

To a girl, a commitment doesn't specifically matter. The commitment is somewhat irrelevant. You can hate it all you want, but that is how it is.

I don't want to tell you not to judge this girl any which way you want - do so. But just be aware that you're essentially judging the entire gender and finding them wanting. Just about all of them will do AF/BB and branch swinging if given the opportunity.

[–]the_red_scimitar 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I think you stated one of the HUGEST mistakes even some RP men make with women: Expecting them to have values or behavior similar to men, resulting in outcome expectations that aren't realistic.

They are their own thing, and RP has more truth about their actual behavior than any other behavioral models I've heard of. Understanding it and setting expectations to exactly those truths will result in automatic amused mastery at their antics.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Agreed entirely. I turned Redpill because the evidence made me. I adopted PUA and tried to slap it onto a feminist (I was that deluded) worldview. Massive cognitive dissonance. I'd hear a feminist claim and I'd be like, "Well, that doesn't work. I have direct experience it doesn't. In the fact the opposite does!" Found the Redpill, started testing out its tenets, and I was like, "Well, shit, these guys CAN'T be right!"

Lo and behold, after testing claim after claim in my life, it worked out exactly as predicted by TRP. I was sold.

[–]the_red_scimitar 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yup. In my early days, I used basically a DGAF attitude, negging, and shit-test handling in a "test to destruction" of one plate. I kept upping how much I was an asshole to her, well beyond anything like a comfort zone for me. I was doing and saying things that made me certain I was going to get a horrifically bad response.

But I didn't. Interest kept going UP, insistence on seeing me kept getting more intense from her. I was being the exact type of alpha asshole who seemed to get those girls, but I was doing so entirely as an act. At the time, I was increasingly scared of just how gigantic an upset she would have, and it just didn't materialize.

And since, I've found how to integrate that and use it more naturally. And I found there was an untapped well of alpha characteristics waiting - basically, that being alpha was more the natural state, and had been perverted by female-centric upbringing.

Getting over that disbelief hump is vital. We will find ourselves after that.

[–]alucard4571 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, believe me, I know. I guess it's just one of those things you know, but have to experience a few times to believe and accept at your core.

I knew, but for some reason had to verify, then got disappointed when I turned out to be right.

[–]RosewoodPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if everytime she brings up her BF it's complaining how bad he is in bed and how he can't get it up? What's the proper response to get her to come to the dark side for an affair?

[–]swoleo_dicaprio 12 points13 points  (11 children)

When job hunting, it's always good to look for counter offers -- dating is a similar process for women and they don't take it personally (as you shouldn't).

[–]alucard4571 0 points1 point  (10 children)

I struggle to understand what you mean as it pertains to my comment. Please elaborate.

[–]mister_barfly75 11 points12 points  (0 children)

She had a job (boyfriend) but found herself in the position where she had some time to do some temp work (you) to earn a little extra on the side but failed to do because she failed the interview.

[–]swoleo_dicaprio 2 points3 points  (8 children)

She's making you aware of her competing opportunities with the same professional courtesy that you might use in the workplace. It's similar because the goal is the same -- namely not to burn bridges if the other opportunities suddenly dry up.

[–]SilentForTooLong 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Are you supposed to just fuck girls with boyfriends, or what?

[–]swoleo_dicaprio 4 points5 points  (4 children)

There's nothing wrong with what they're doing, that's my point. They're just exercising their negotiating power. It's a shit test. Getting caught up in it like OP is failing the shit test. If you're not familiar with shit tests read the sidebar.

[–]alucard4571 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I wouldn't say I was caught up in it. I could've chose to ignore it, but curiosity got the better of me, then when I saw the hamster I got disinterested.

Gotta learn to accept the hamster is always there.

[–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What do you mean exactly?

Unfortunately, I've never done it before, but I have an opportunity to I guess.

How does one go about this? It seems so easy for her to regret it, and then cry rape instantly in this kind of situation, and the boyfriend will obviously support that charge.

[–]swoleo_dicaprio 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When girls want to cheat on their boyfriends they usually have a reason. That means that you don't have to work hard to convince anyone. You just have to spot the girls looking for a revenge fuck. Generally these fucks are reserved for AF not BB since she doesn't want you clinging on afterwards; you need to be chill enough not to blow up her plot.

If you go the other route -- hard selling sex to a girl who wants to be faithful but has no self-control -- then indeed you're waking in the zone of danger.

[–]Hoodwink 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've learned that many women don't really take their 'boyfriend' seriously from ages 16-25. (If they're not religious types looking to get married at 20-24..)

I have fucked so many girls with boyfriends, I'm getting sick of it. It's not just some small percent like 10% or something.. it's closer to at least 40% of girls with boyfriends will more or less fuck guys as the opportunity presents itself. Remember, they have lots of guys presenting themselves... especially if they're social.

You might find introverted, paranoid, anxiety-prone women to be the most committed. But only because they don't present themselves and are scared of strange men.

(All girly-music basically worships being a slut these days. Feminists glorify it. Men encourage it for a quick fuck. Basically, there's a reason why American Evangelicals make their own media and shun/shame the mainstream. Evangelicals aren't really religious if you know anything about religion-as-mysticism; it's mostly a anti-mainstream cultural movement - namely as a reaction to the 60's.)

[–]SilentForTooLong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hence why I don't commit to women without dating for like 1-2 years first, if then. Honestly, I'm beyond the belief that a woman could ever be monogamous, I only ever see myself in some type of open relationship unfortunately. But then again, the severe inability of women to get me to 100% commit to them gives me a whole host of different problems from those commonly discussed in this sub.

I have never had a woman gradually decrease sex with me, or try to control me, or anything... they just nervously work up the courage to never speak to me again one day. So I get to go from effusive proclamations of love, and on-demand-sex to "never speak to me again, I never loved you" just out of the blue.

Real fun.

I am now realizing that is always the end game with women I guess...although the only thing in the world I really want is a woman that I could share my life with, I don't think there are any women in the world that want to share their lives with a man anymore, not even the best of the best.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Your problem is expectations. If you can't go into the situation outcome independent, then don't go into it. In this situation that probably would have been not having her over.

[–]alucard4571 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think you're correct. I guess a had an image of her in my mind that I expected to see/my perception of her from last time was incorrect, and the difference between my expectations and reality was too jarring for me to stay interested.

I'm trying to be a more goal driven person, so I guess outcome independence is something I have to reintegrate into the new mindset.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Expectations are preconceived disappointments. Other than business I don't see the point of expecting anything from anyone. It's much better this way. I got ok action as a beta, but I was killing myself in the process. Since making the change I've passed up more action than I've gotten. It's not easy to do, but my head is clear and I'm true to myself for once. Other than action, it's great. Before, other than action everything was horrible. And even the action was just ok cause at the best it was plan c fall back sex. What chick is going to get hot over that? Not many. But I had a bit of fun still.

[–]mister_barfly75 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She goes on trying to explain that she likes the flirting and stuff but isn't that interested in sex anymore.

Meaning: "We cool, right? Please don't tell anyone I'm a slut."

[–]Modredpillschool 15 points16 points  (2 children)

As a participant in the conversation, do I act without authenticity by accepting the other's duplicity and responding in kind? How can I in good conscience use language for deceit and coercion?

I think the problem is assuming that this system in which you exist cares about your good conscience.

If morality stated that only sinners drink water, only the immoral would survive. At what point would you start wondering what place morality has in a system that rewards those who do not follow it.

In other words, you're trying to fit your new findings - that people are duplicitous by nature, and trying to squeeze it into an old world view- that being duplicitous is bad and you will be rewarded for being good.

There is one code that I tend to live by- and that is one of success and personal value. Within my world view I value honesty, integrity, and honor... among men. These are values that when embraced provide me success and value to my person. And it happens that being cooperative with other men is beneficial to me (and they find the reciprocity beneficial too). I tend to consider these traits good rather than bad because they benefit me, not because they are ethical. Although they do happen to coincide with many's understandings of ethics, it's because people found it beneficial to adopt these values as ethical, and not the other way around.

So why embrace such values with those who do not? They do not provide you value, nor success. Does failure equate to being moral? If so, you may want to reevaluate your moral framework, and take a good look for who might be profiting from you falling on your sword. Answer that and you'll figure out your ethical dilemma.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In other words, you're trying to fit your new findings - that people are duplicitous by nature, and trying to squeeze it into an old world view- that being duplicitous is bad and you will be rewarded for being good.

Could not have said it better myself.

[–]thisjibberjabber 6 points7 points  (2 children)

An interesting point made in the excellent book The Righteous Mind is that many well known moral philosophers were likely pretty far out on the autism spectrum. Therefore, and I'm just making this link for myself now, their ethics don't prepare one well for dealing with the real world of power talk.

Personally I think there is a big difference between telling someone what they want to hear to build comfort, vs. blatantly lying about important things.

As long as the underlying message conveyed is accurate, the details are less important and it falls into the white lie category.

E.g. Q: do these jeans make my ass look fat? A: your ass looks great in those jeans!

This might be strictly inaccurate, but if the underlying message (I think you're attractive) is accurate, it's ok. It's a big difference from say, lying about having an STD.

[–]welpcomma 3 points3 points [recovered]

Thanks for the book suggestion, I've added it to my reading list, looking interesting. I agree that there are shades of falsehood. What I'm getting at is, is one being honest with oneself?

[–]thisjibberjabber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I suspect the author would say that people are generally bad at being honest with themselves. He describes our conscious minds often acting as press secretaries for the actions that our deeper motivations produced.

I'm not saying it's not a good ideal to have integrity and understand your own motivations. It's just harder than it appears at first. It's also handicapping yourself if you act with total transparency when dealing with people who do not.

[–]RPMav 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thanks for putting into words the aspect of RP that I find distasteful. I agree it works, and don't judge men who fully embrace it, but I do not enjoy intentional deception so there are parts of it I am not willing to fully adopt.

[–]the_red_scimitar 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I think you may be referring to some PUA stuff that is only sort of tangentially RP. And just like any body of knowledge, you can decide the morals of its use for yourself. I have not found any deception to be necessary to have all the plates I want, and I do it even by ensuring they know I actively see/have relationships with/date others.

There are many styles of how people express their RP understandings, and it probably says much more about the person wielding the knowledge than about RP itself. I'd direct that distaste at the individuals.

[–]RPMav 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are right, it is a conflict within myself more than in RP itself. Thanks for the feedback.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Both parties are supposed to "get it" and thus the conversation becomes a dance, truth being revealed in the tension between what is said and what is meant. But what if both parties aren't on the same page

That's called "rape culture".

Alternatively, "misogyny".

[–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (4 children)

How do you see Nietzsche as relevant to anything you are saying?

Kierkegaard...maybe.

I really wonder how you are relating these writings to your apparent situation here though?

[–]welpcomma 5 points5 points [recovered]

I absolutely see the need of your question, and I hope this is a satisfactory response. With Nietzsche it depends on your perspective and the context of the situation, since he was certainly against systems of morals. From The Gay Science, Aphorism 116:

Morality trains the individual to be a function of the herd and to ascribe value to himself only as a function.

Nietzsche is very RP of course and would probably be in favor of many of the ideas we discuss here. In Beyond Good and Evil, Chapter 5, section 203, he rightly puts it:

...Where have we [who reject the herd] to fix our hopes? In NEW PHILOSOPHERS--there is no other alternative: in minds strong and original enough to initiate opposite estimates of value, to transvalue and invert "eternal valuations"

Arguing here for the individual whose "conscience should be steeled and a heart transformed into brass, so as to bear the weight of" the responsibility of choosing one's own path (cf. Kierkegaard's "Leap of faith"). Sounds very much like what we're talking about presently. Yet he cautions:

...On the other hand the necessity for such leaders, the dreadful danger that they might be lacking, or miscarry and degenerate:--these are OUR real anxieties and glooms .... There are few pains so grievous as to have seen, divined, or experienced how an exceptional man has missed his way and deteriorated.

I experienced something of this in myself around this time last year, when I first started reading TRP, working out, gaining confidence and strength. I started using this power wantonly, with the many years of repressed willpower expressing themselves as unbridled rage in some cases. Telling off friends who meant well. Berating minimum wage employees who made a small mistake. Getting "my way" and using the voice and posture of an Alpha became an obsession. It was effective as hell, and intoxicating.

However I was given pause when a girl I was seeing at the time, when put to the question, confessed she rarely spoke out of turn because she was afraid of how I might react. Certainly she was mine entirely, but I never wanted to be the kind of person who inspires loyalty out of fear. It made me sad that she felt uncomfortable freely sharing her opinions, however idiotic they might be. In controlling her absolutely and bringing her into my frame, which at the time gave no margins for error or weakness, I had taken from her the very humanity I was trying to express. In effect, I used my power to take away her right to choose. This disturbed me greatly and led to a relapse period from which I am only recently recovering, due to other events in my life that caused me much distress and sidetracked my progress.

...But he who has the rare eye for the universal danger of "man" himself deteriorating... He sees at a glance all that could still BE MADE OUT OF MAN through a favourable accumulation and augmentation of human powers and arrangements; he knows with all the knowledge of his conviction how unexhausted man still is for the greatest possibilities, and how often in the past the type man has stood in presence of mysterious decisions and new paths:--he knows still better from his painfulest recollections on what wretched obstacles promising developments of the highest rank have hitherto usually gone to pieces, broken down, sunk, and become contemptible. .... He who has thought out this possibility to its ultimate conclusion knows ANOTHER loathing unknown to the rest of mankind--and perhaps also a new MISSION!

Nietzsche asks us to consider ethics not as a traditional system of morals but as a continually evolving process of discovery. The above paragraph describes my own feelings absolutely. My desire above all else is to elevate not just myself but the whole of humanity. I see in each person all that they could be, and it pains my heart to look at the "mere reality" of things. Of course this is not useful in a daily, practical sense, but when I ask myself if what I'm doing is right or wrong, this is the perspective I take. Rather than operating from naivete, this position has been rigorously considered. I feel that we must see the good in others, we must seize upon the potential of humankind to transcend the mundane, up to and including our very biology.

Thus returning to my original post: when I must play the fool to win the prize, I act not only against my own wishes but against my interpretation of humanity's transcendence, which for some reason does not include rapidly fabricating reality and trust like the latest iPhone off the assembly line, and rather calls for a return to authentic human community as we first evolved it for survival millennia ago. I could of course be entirely wrong about all of this, and actually a couple responses here have made me examine at least how I put in to practice these fundamentals, but I do the best I can. I am open to constructive criticism at all times.

[–]Redrog1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are missing the point of power talk, that is to transmit a point that only someone "in the know" will get. When you are both talking in power talk, you are not dancing without a purpose. You don't know how much the other person know, so you are testing the waters without compromising yourself or reveling how much you know.

At the end it gets kind of stupid and direct talk becomes much more productive, but powertalk has a purpose, its not just a dance you have to play just because.

[–]scamper_22 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It really is a change in mindset. I for one had an heightened view of my mother. In the end, she is another women you cannot simply believe her word in that trustful sense.

A key word phrase I use in my head is simply this. You need to handle the women in your life. And I don't mean that in any kind of malicious/sneaky/playing them kind of way. I just can't think of another word to describe how you have to deal with the vast majority of the women in yout life.

Once you understand, you have to handle women, it makes dealing with them so much easier. And this means all women, mothers included. Not just for sexuality. Never is this more evident than in blame. My wife once told me the women in her family will not just deny their intentions, but also deny actual objective events. So she has to handle them knowing that if they said something on hurtful on Tuesday, then would deny it on Wednesday. Literal lying. She learned, there was no point to even bringing things up with them. You just had to work with them.

That's the thing. Women know this about each other. That's how they treat each other. That's how you have to treat them. So you simply know that accusing a woman in a way that makes her think badly of herself; she is going to have a hard time processing it, and it will come out as lying in one way or another. Few sluts will ever admit to being a slut... unless it becomes socially acceptable to be a slut. Men are less likely to do this, because we don't mind being 'bad'. Heck in the modern day, we're told we're bad by default.

So you never be forthright with that or expect to trust their word or their self-image of themselves. They just don't work like men. So you learn how to handle them. It's a skill I am learning. If you don't, you're going to be pretty disgusted with them and not want anything to do with them. Learn how to extract information. Learn when/how to judge them. Learn what excites them, turns them off/on, what earns their form of loyalty/respect, learn what they value... and then away you go.

Use that handling and knowledge to screw em if you want... like a PUA. Or just use it for general well-intentioned handling of women.

In the same way as women probably think they have to handle men. They can use it to screw over a man.... like a gold digger or something. Or they can just use it for general well-intentioned handling. Like a good girl acting cute to get a guy to do something for them.

This is the reality of the world we're in. Seems to be that way for everyone. Is it theoretically possible some future generation of women raised differently will be able be trust worthy and say what they mean and be honest with themselves? Possibly. Is it possible men can genuinely be friends with a women and not be sexually attracted to her ? I'm not one smart enough to separate nature from nurture. But I'll judge the world and people that exist around me right now.

[–]Forty_Deuce 28 points29 points  (3 children)

I commented on this on HuffPo. There was a lot of, "well when I talk to my boyfriend, he always has to confirm with his father or brother about if what I'm saying is true." As much as this post annoyed me, that is not what it was about. If I'm talking to a woman about sneakers, and she says that guys wait in line over night just to buy a new pair of Jordan's, I'm not going to doubt her just because she's a woman. Now relationship wise I will doubt something a woman says. I know their game and how they are wired. You have to probe into what the situation is because a lot of times they are overreacting. Or they just won't outright say what the problem is.

I have a few female friends. I care a lot about one of them. She has helped me out with a whole lot of shit. I trust her to have my back, and she has proven that she can be trusted for that. But I don't trust her when she says that she won't sleep with some guy for whatever reason. I know she would. I don't trust when she goes on a rant and calls other women sluts, and she wouldn't do what they do. I know how many men she's been with, and the shit she's done, to know she's full of it. She would drop to her knees for the right man.

[–]TheReasoner94 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You hit the nail on the head with this man!

[–]colovick 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And calling her out on that will only cause you problems. Just stay silent through the extreme bullshit

[–]Forty_Deuce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We're both 36. We've known each other for 15 years. She knows that I don't care if she gets upset or throws a tantrum. Because I will always tactfully tell her the truth, knocking her down a peg or two, and sometimes tactfully telling her to go fuck herself. She always comes back though because I'm her rock that doesn't sway to her ocean of emotional bullshit.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 28 points29 points  (9 children)

All trust is inspired. Not owed. Not earned. Inspired.

Anyone who acts entitled to your trust is unworthy of it.

[–]1youngone 2 points2 points [recovered]

Inspired by what or who exactly? I need clarification.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Precedent and character. People trust you when you give them reasons to trust you.

By default, you should not trust others until they've been properly vetted.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 75 points76 points  (2 children)

HuffPo writers are either vaginas or faggots. This guy somehow manages to be both.

[–]1mojo_juju 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I had to stop reading HuffPo about 5 years ago because the direction it was moving towards pussitude and bitchification.

HuffPo is sensationalist hamster diarrhea .

[–]newls 14 points15 points  (0 children)

They make their money (I don't think they're in profit AFAIK) from women sharing clickbait title articles on Facebook. They're a fancy feminist Buzzfeed.

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[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Clueless men trust women.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Which is something women are accustomed to, men trusting them as a matter of course. Basically a female privilege that's gone unchecked for ages. Now that men are wising up they're breaking the female primacy hegemony and it threatens them on a primal level. What do you mean I can't have another man's child and pass it off as yours like women have done for eons and is the foundation of our pluralistic mating strategy?!!!

[–]foldpak111 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Be threatened. I'm building an empire and no woman will ruin it.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cory C for Southwest Regional Warlord

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

This is the best comment in this thread. Agree.

[–]RPthrowaway123 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I love how his solution is for us to just blindly trust them, rather than actually acknowledge that maybe our lack of trust is there for a reason. But that's what happens when you live in a feminist fantasy land instead of reality.

[–]WardlyHasted 8 points8 points [recovered]

He basically says that we should trust women at their word, even if there is zero evidence to support what she says. Fuck the burden of proof and preponderance of evidence I guess.

I don't take what anyone says at face value -- not men, not women -- unless it's an empirical/factual truth. This is why TRP clicked with me because I was able to compare behaviours and field reports to things I have personally experienced. If red pill knowledge was bullshit, this sub wouldn't exist.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"to let fact checking define the narrative would be a huge mistake".

[–]through_a_ways 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is also why feminist subreddits repeatedly censor comments. When polite, thoughtful comments point in the direction of female supremacy/privilege/powertalk, it is dangerous for the feminist collective.

[–]the_red_scimitar 6 points7 points  (3 children)

You can trust women, but what you can trust from them is this:

  • Hypergamy

  • Lack of accountability

  • It's corollory: Blaming almost anything and anyone than themselves when they are even obviously and clearly in the wrong about any kind of behavior.

  • Inability to use logic when resolving a dispute.

  • And the wider phenomenon: Hamstering to justify any of the above.

I've chosen my words carefully. When I wrote "Inability", I mean you can count on it as much as you can count on a rock not having the ability to write a novel.

And I've seen this, and come to expect it, even from TRP-aware women who agree with TRP, who are mindful and competent in many other areas of life. But these things are constant.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yep. You can trust a dog to be a dog. Women fail at being men because they aren't men. Loyalty and integrity are concepts they have to be taught, they're not innate for them.

[–]the_red_scimitar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And yet, they always believe they are loyal, and have integrity. And with the sort of thinking that passes for "logic" and "truth" that they use, they actually do. The ability to accept their own cognitive dissonance is extreme, and if looked at coldly and impartially, just as a psychological evaluation on its own merits, would be considered pathological if not actually psychotic.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 29 points30 points  (0 children)

"Women's power is manipulation of men. The mere existance of a man who won't be manipulated is an attack on the feminine primacy that feminists have worked so hard to build."


Charm is manipulation. It's a woman "looking up" to a man in the hierarchy. This is actually a good thing because it means the man who holds the leadership position can exercise Amused Mastery on her Charm to keep things in check. This is our "ideal" LTR.

Betas are never Charmed... but they are manipulated in another way.

The Beta is given reinforcement that women are authority figures like mothers to their children. He writes:

"(Trusting) ...women other than our mothers or teachers or any other woman who happens to be an established authority figure."

The Beta male is locked into the childs mental state. He loves mommy. (a "motherfucker")

MGTOW is actually a step up in the process of growing "up" to becoming the leader in the hierarchy.

The Misandry Bubble collapses when enough Betas turn into MGTOWs.

"Enjoy the Collapse"

[–]yougotshitonyourass 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Women's power is manipulation of men. The mere existance of a man who won't be manipulated is an attack on the feminine primacy that feminists have worked so hard to build.

Women want power

[–]therock6658 5 points6 points  (8 children)

Depends on what you mean by "trust". As far as relationships go then in many cases, it's perfectly reasonable to have some sort of doubt about what your girlfriend or spouse says when it comes to emotional issues. However, if you tell the female cashier at Burger King to place cheese on your Whopper, why would she lie to you about something like that?

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Women lie pragmatically. They're far more Machiavellian than men in that regard. If she stands in a position to gain from a lie, it's a trivial thing to do so. If there's no benefit to her then she's more likely to tell the truth.

Men actually tend to lie more than women overall, natural defensive precaution, but women are more likely to lie about important things.

[–]therock6658 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Perhaps you are telling the truth about that, but I'll still need citations for it personally since I usually hear that kind of thing from guys that have a completely negative view of women overall, including women that want to help them.

Often times though, I look at these websites and articles discussing lying and can only find that women are lying about trivial bullshit that nobody cares about. It would be something else entirely if we were talking about divorce and what lies women can say to get the most out of her ex.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Women are much more likely to lie when there are social consequences. Men simply lie more overall, could be that men are simply more risk-taking and willing to lie about smaller issues.

For what it's worth, I love women, I just don't lie to myself about what they are.

[–]therock6658 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well that's a fair point as when it comes to sexual partners, it's believed that society would be more accepting of women that have not had as many sexual partners as she actually has. I can see how something like that can be of importance when getting into relationships and shit as it pretty much is true that a girl that has had a lot of sexual partners isn't what a lot of guys would want to hear. That's fine though because something like relationships to me is pretty much a personal thing that doesn't translate into something giant such as women lying about statistics in order to manipulate laws into their favor.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it's believed that society would be more accepting of women that have not had as many sexual partners as she actually has

True, but men aren't unaccepting of female partner count just to be mean, it's because they have standards imprinted by their genetics. The same way that women have a preference for tall men. If women were more accepting of short men, men wouldn't have to lie about their height as much either, but neither is a realistic proposition.

[–]asicw 1 points1 points [recovered]

cause one lie leads to another maybe she told you shes allergic ....

[–]therock6658 0 points1 point  (1 child)

And if she's allergic to something than why would she lie about that cause she'd only be putting herself at risk (I wonder how anyone could be allergic to cheese). She could always get someone else to make your hamburger.

[–]TheRealMouseRat 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What this author (and many other people in this world) fails to realize is that trust is not a choice. You can't choose to trust someone, it's a natural occurring thing. Either you trust someone or you don't. However, one can choose to ignore ones feelings of distrust, however that would be uncomfortable and unwise.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

opposite of me. Trust is earned by proof otherwise it doesn't exist. It is a choice at every step.

[–]symko 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wow women are starting to bitch and moan like a spoiled brat at Disneyworld. You can't discipline her but what you can do is leave.

Leaving gets their attention so fucking fast! I have had stubborn women blow my phone up after I walked off.

I bet everything I own the minute you walk off, "MarriageLand Park USA" and leave that bitch winning at the gate, she'll immediately straighten the fuck up. But don't go back, go home! They won't ever do that shit again. We are almost there men.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 6 points7 points  (1 child)

What a great post. I really like how your mind works. First off,

Women's power is manipulation of men.

This is well said. In addition though their power also comes in the form of submission to powerful men.

If they can control us like you said then they have everything that we are capable of. This is when they manipulate betas and milk them for everything they have. This leaves women dissatisfied because a beta isn't worth much.

A high value man though has a lot more to offer and gives her the tingles too. If she submits to him then all he has can be hers as well due to our programming as protectors and providers. If they can't manipulate you they submit to you to get what they want.

Another thing that I noted about this is how damn stupid people seem to be about trust. You see people in r/relationships every day talking about how they think their SO is cheating on them but they refuse to search their phones or feel guilty doing it. If someone acts in a way that is untrustworthy then you don't give them your trust.

Trust is something that takes a long time to build and can be destroyed by a hunch. People who convince themselves that they have to trust someone with no reason to do so are retarded and deserve getting cheated on. You get hunches because your subconscious is putting together clues and you should act on those unless you have mental problems. Don't keep trusting until the bomb drops.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good observation

Women are parasites and their first attempt to take a mans power is through manipulation. If this doesn't work then submission becomes an option.

[–]1oldredder 4 points5 points  (0 children)

wha? I can't trust a creature who lies to herself, to me and fucks up her life without male societal structure & personal guidance?

Oh, how about that.

[–]GoinOutWest1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why don't men trust women? The same reason women don't trust other women.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I didn't care for the insidious bait and switch of the article. Yet this sort of thing is typical of HuffPo and of the progressive agenda as a whole.

In other words, the author gets the "question" right...that is he brings up a valid problem that men can identify with. But that's the point. It's to get male readers who are starting to unplug to go, "fuck yeah! This guy gets it!"

But then the author drops the ball on the "answer", that is, the solution to the fact that he doesn't trust women. He dare not speak the obvious solution heresy that women could change their behavior and become more trustworthy. No, he turns it in on himself in self-deprecating fashion.

Moreover he does so in a sneaky, vague sort of way. Instead of just outright saying, "I don't trust women, therefore the problem is me and I must squash my inner misogyny and be a good little supplicant." He just sort of implies it in a vague, superficial way. This is meant to invoke the feelz and get readers to go along without actually articulating the choice internally.

This is the worst kind of con game. This is how groups like MADD and the WCTU work. This is how Cracked magazine works. This is how so many women have been taken in by feminism.

These clickbait articles pop up that speak to a mark's woman's past abuse or potential rape. The authors tell women what they want to hear so that they feel it and go, "It's about time. Here's someone who understands what I'm going through!"

Then once the con artists feminist instigators get marks women to essentially sign on to their view, they then stoke the feels to get these marks feminists to dance to their tune. They tell you to stand up and "make your voice heard!" and these women end up shilling their agenda, thinking feeling that they are doing the work of like minded people.

Of course once this agenda has had it's way and the instigators have victims dancing to their tune, they change the tune. This is why you have a specific set of beliefs tied to political Left (or the Right...they are just as bad). It's implied that once you align yourself to a particular perspective, such as feminism, you are automatically in line with an associated perspective in regards to other progressive issues.

This is why you see SJW types suddenly throw in the non-sequitur of race or class issues into a debate about feminism. The con artists pulling the strings already have a bunch of useful idiots unthinkingly shilling their perspective. Why not get them to unthinkingly shill other social justice issues while they're at it?

Moreover, the women that fall for this tactic usually still have an unresolved issue that they were seeking a solution for. Not only do they end up shilling for feminists, they never do the emotional and intellectual work that they need to to help them resolve whatever trauma the feminists used to draw them in in the first place. The original issue (past abuse or whatever) remains unresolved and the victim's personal development is compromised.

Now we see an example of the same tactic at work to keep men in the dark, and to keep men unthinkingly shilling a feminist agenda based on a very real observation (that women can't be trusted). Instead of a practical solution, such as employing game, these men are expected to defer to their feelz and follow along with the SJW agenda.

The solution is simple....THINK! Think about your motives. Think about why you agree with someone or disagree with someone. Engage those analytical skills so that you don't fall into an emotional trap and not only become a social justice white knight, but compromise your own personal healing and development as well.

Don't get taken in! Venues like HuffPo are the factory that churns out defeated beta/omega manginas as well as angry, stupid feminists. Don't get caught in that emotional meat grinder.

As an aside, I think I'm going to quit using the term Social Justice Warrior and start calling them Social Justice Shills. "Warrior" is too good a term for them.

TL;DR this HuffPo article is a classic example of the cultural marxist tactic of drawing people into agreement over a specific issue, replacing the real solution to that issue with emotional nebulousness, and taking advantage of the resultant emotional loyalty to get people to shill the SJW set of agendas.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 11 points12 points  (0 children)

another year of whatever the hell we were doing before we got engaged

Beta Orbiter on the shelf ready to come to the rescue when she crashes into the wall and Alpha bad boys start passing on that pussy. That's what he was before.

[–]smokeybehr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women's power is manipulation of men. The mere existance of a man who won't be manipulated is an attack on the feminine primacy that feminists have worked so hard to build.

This is why feministas hate RP and RP men. If you reject their shit tests and call them out, expect every epithet and invective to be hurled at you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorHarleyWalker 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I trust the shit out of her

Foolish but also why is crap writing like this accepted?

[–]Booksarefun666 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because journalism is shitty at times.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Have you spoken with liberal feminist hipsters in their 20's? This is how they talk. It's clear that this is the demographic they're targeting.

Professional journalistic writing seems to be becoming less and less prevalent.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Trust is earned and not something to be freely given away.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women have not emotionally developed since the time they were babies. They act out or cry to get what they want. Just like new parents learn to distinguish a baby's outbursts to gauge what they want, you too have to decode and translate a woman's bullshit to comprehend their motives as well. When you know what she wants, you withhold, otherwise you are training her how to get what she wants by going batshit crazy on you.

[–]MGTOW_player 9 points10 points  (34 children)

You can't trust a being who puts their gender above their own family.

And who says MGTOWs aren't alpha?

[–]FrameWalker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is he an agent of good or evil? A sheep or a hungry wolf? This male feminist may not even know his own nature. My guess is that he's just blending in for his publishing business.

[–]Redpillc0re 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Again with the same bullshit. "We must absolutely trust each other the same way because we are all equals and pigs fly farting yellow macaroons". Why are these people so inhuman, not wanting to let people go by their nature but pretending everyone should fit in the same mold? Women are manipulative, and it's kind of not their fault, they mostly do it subconscioustly, it's their nature. That's why you should not trust them the way they trust you. This guy's has subconsciously discovered the truth, yet he wants to be consciously blind to what he already knows. It's just weird.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This guy's has subconsciously discovered the truth, yet he wants to be consciously blind to what he already knows. It's just weird.

It's the very nature of the blue pill: I want that juicy steak and it will be because the Matrix tells me it is!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

powertalk is so fucking key. it was strange at first to start talking gibberish and acting like I believed it, but once I started, I didn't look back.

[–]texan11moore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and another year of whatever the hell we were doing before we got engaged

sounds like someone jumped straight from being in the friendzone to becoming engaged and married, it is probably not because his wife hit the wall and realized that she is not able to score a better man than him, after riding all the cock carousels that she could of course.

Basically, these are the MGTOW, and this is the reason why they are so disgusting to women.

u wot m8?

jokes aside, I consider myself MGTOW, and frankly I don't give an atom of a shit if women are disgusted towards me or not simply because they are not in my list of priorities, my personal health and financial success are more important in my eyes.

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