Field ReportFR: AWALT, My LTR after surgery drops bombs. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by theredpillthrow

I'm going to assume that most of you don't comb through post history so I'll lay it out for you:

I was in a LTR with a Internist. I work on expensive freelance projects and spend most of my time off with /r/DIY and /r/arduino (diff account). I make small bursts of money we use to vacation while she handles all the day to day expenses. I'm playing on hard mode but I always maintain frame and dominance in our relationship. I'm the captain, she's the first mate and she knows it.

onto the story:

I drop off and pick up my GF after she goes through surgery. She's more than a little loopy afterwards. I'm driving her home and she's going off about her slutty cousin and suddenly she starts drops bombs about our relationship with the gauze still in her mouth. Like she's confessing her guilt without me understanding it, some strange type of tickle truth. I pull over, take the gauze out and starts crying and babbling like an idiot about how she's slept with more people than she originally told me. It's been a year folks, and I've played this game before. I told her,

<bluff> "I know how much it is, Your cousin told me its over 20"</bluff> (she told me 5 people at the beginning of the relationship).

She freaks out and says it's only 14 guys (15 is my number), I counter that she's not including the one night stands she claims she's never had. She breaks down and says she's lost count and its not her fault! Meaning her number is well over 20. More uncomfortable crying and she admits that one of the guys she's slept with is Gavin Degraw. Which is funny considering he's on her "sexy time" playlist. This out of everything made me fill sick to my stomach. The fact that she fucks me to a song sang by another guy she fucked is beyond what I'm able to deal with.

Fast forward: I fill her in on everything she said while drugged up and declare I've talked to her friends and I know everything now, not just what she told me (another bluff). I demand she spill the truth or I'm packing bags. She bites it and spills so much more than I ever needed to know. She is truly a ruined person.

Here's the lesson:

Girls know about the unicorn. They know how to "act" like a unicorn. But, unicorns do not exist. ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.


Nexted the girl, I'm not going to commit to a girl if 20 other guys wouldn't. I spent a month at a friends place looking for permanent work. I just accepted a job in Vancouver, CA. Moving up to Yaletown next month with another buddy.


You're not smarter than the collective /r/theredpill. ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT. It took me too long to swallow but it's done.

[–]FattestRabbit 303 points303 points [recovered]

But her past doesn't matter! That's why she kept it from you in the first place!

But seriously, way to man up. She spilled it, you didn't like it, and you nexted her. Good luck with your new job and don't forget to lift.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (36 children)

"But her past doesn't matter!" Funny. Years ago I was watching Chasing Amy with a work fling and this very subject came up. She was adamant that not only did her past not matter, it was also none of the guy's business. Sheesh.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 61 points62 points  (22 children)

My girlfriend sucked 37 dicks!

In a row?

[–]CQC3 70 points71 points  (1 child)

"Hey try not to suck any dick on the way through the parking lot!"

[–]2rp_valiant 18 points19 points  (14 children)

hah, reminds me of "magaluf girl", the irish girl who blew 24 guys in a row to win a holiday. Hilarious thing is all she got was a free cocktail.


[–]Magnum256[🍰] 20 points21 points  (11 children)

Hilarious comments. "She thought she'd win a holiday but it was actually a $4 cocktail. She must feel horrible." Ya she must feel awful, I mean it's one thing to suck 24 dicks in succession if you're getting a ~$2500 vacation to Mexico, but for a $4 drink it's just degrading, I mean shit she's only making 16 cents per blowjob!

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Shows that any sexual thing (sex, bj's and so on) are just a business transaction to them, and you should also treat it as such because they sure do. If you don't she will lowball you like a motherfucker and get something much better in return than what she's offering.

[–]2rp_valiant 9 points10 points  (8 children)

that's why they call it a sexual marketplace - I bet most girls would let you bust a nut in their ass for $10k, but they'd never ever admit that openly.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin 36 points37 points  (0 children)

“Churchill: "Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?"

Socialite: "My goodness, Mr. Churchill... Well, I suppose... we would have to discuss terms, of course... "

Churchill: "Would you sleep with me for five pounds?"

Socialite: "Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?"

Churchill: "Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price”

[–]JarVoMarGo 1 point2 points  (4 children)

true but that's not that impressive, I know a couple dudes who'd do that if they were drunk enough.

[–]2rp_valiant 2 points3 points  (3 children)

exactly, if they were drunk enough. i.e. their rational male minds were severely inhibited. Drunk men think as well as women do.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean it's one thing to suck 24 dicks in succession if you're getting a ~$2500 vacation to Mexico, but for a $4 drink it's just degrading, I mean shit she's only making 16 cents per blowjob!

She: What kind of woman do you think I am?

He: We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No in a night... she was going for a world record you know totally understandable! /s

[–]aazav 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At once. They were very small and she has a large mouth.

[–]RojoEscarlata 7 points8 points  (12 children)

Its that the movie where Afleck goes to hell and back to get with that blonde qt, who was actually some kind of nympho ?

[–]2rp_valiant 4 points5 points  (4 children)

close enough. Your homework assignment for this weekend is to go back and rewatch all the Jay & Silent Bob films.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Not sure as it's been a while. She was a blonde cutie but I thought she was a lesbo who was experimenting.

[–]TheButtiestMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She also got double teamed by some dudes he knew and withheld that little tidbit. But it was in her past and obviously none of his business. AWALT.

[–]1Zanford 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Ironically, Kevin Smith was banging her and she dumped him right after the film.

I'm convinced her 'singing a whole goddamn song in a bar' scene was just her tooling Kevin into trying to launch a music career for her. They included the entire 3 minute song in the movie.

[–]laere 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Stories like this only reinforce that a majority of women are only worthy of plate status.

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[–]The_Floating_Dick 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I get sick to my stomach when somebody writes 'sexytime'

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 171 points172 points  (76 children)

I demand she spill the truth or I'm packing bags. She bites it and spills so much more than I ever needed to know. She is truly a ruined person.

Moderately attractive and above women have done, literally, just about every decadent act the average guy can muster to imagine. Fulfilling sexual curiosities for women takes less effort than actually having to imagine them.

[–]1jb_trp 60 points61 points  (15 children)

Women are the gatekeepers of sex. Even an ugly girl could get sex easily... I don't have a clue as to what my count is, but it has to be in the 40s or 50s or higher. I find it hard to believe that the average girl couldn't (and don't) do the same or more. This lie that every girls tells me, "I've only been with 5 guys," is almost always bullshit.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 52 points53 points  (3 children)

It's always 5 or 6 isn't it..... fucking liars

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 54 points55 points  (2 children)

I'm looking for a girl that's missing a finger. My theory is that she'll say 4 or 5.

[–]evilassaultweapon 7 points8 points  (9 children)

To rule of 3s, or not to to far exceed the rule of 3s. That is the question.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 31 points32 points  (8 children)

It's more like the rule of 10s now. If she says 3 she means 30. If not 100. If she says 10 then it's 100. And she's done everything. Every girl you kiss just imagine some guy has probably pissed in her mouth at some point. And she liked it. Just accept it. It's just how it is now.

[–]dudeweresmyvan 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I like the line from a post quite a while ago

She responds with "2-5" but it's more like 2-5 minus the "-" dash

[–]SoldierGenerale 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Absolutely, that's why I piss in a girls mouth aswell.

If there is a race to be won, I want to come in first.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You've got to one up the last guy and mark your territory with a deuce in the mouth. "Baby don't you love me? Then open your mouth..."

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I know the hundred plus I've been with have done hardcore kinky shit. I expect every new one has, and twice or more if she's a single mom.

[–]Merwebb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its impossible to upheld the old school think model because of this.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You gotta add a 0 to the number they give.

[–]1elite5472 128 points129 points  (39 children)

I don't understand why the op is freaking out about this. We should all know by now that every girl has been fucked a million times over before you ever get a turn at that pussy. Unless she's like 16, chances are she's fucked at least a few dudes by 18 if she's decent looking and moderately liberal.

What value has she brought to him beyond sex? That is the actual question one must answer when getting into an LTR. Because sex is free and easy nowadays.

Number is just a number, but when I find out she spread up her asshole for some alpha cock and begged like a slut and I don't get the same treatment, that's when things get ugly, and when high numbers are involved chances are anything she's refused to do with me she's done with someone else.

So as far as sex goes, my metric is the ratio of things she does in bed vs her perceived sexual experience. If she moves those hips like a pro and refuses to blow then yeah, I'm probably getting the short end of the stick.

[–]1raceAround126 50 points51 points  (5 children)

While I would agree that finding a pure virgin who is great at sex and totally lives only to serve you is probably a million to one shot, the thing that just throws me off is that she fucked him while listening to another dude's music whom she'd fucked. I mean, that is just a special kind of alpha widow kick in the beta man's nuts.

If it were me, if everything about the LTR was truly stellar, I could get round the partner count though I would have a lesser view of her. But that little nugget of data is just fucked and nasty.

[–]1elite5472 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I agree, that's pretty messed up. I also think that was the tipping point for OP, too. The very thought that she was getting off from that is outright disturbing.

[–]HV123 9 points10 points  (0 children)

alpha widow kick in the beta man's nuts.

haha, that gave me a good chuckle. Nicely put.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I completely agree, assume it's true from the start. I handle this by demanding the type the exact type of sex I want so that even if I found out some horrible truths come out I'm happy with the result. Basically the way to avoid feeling one upped is to demand that she's an absolute slut in bed for you.

I told one plate aspiring to LTR that I would never be exclusive someone who didn't let me fuck her in the ass, she stared at me, made up some excuse to leave. I went radio silent for a day until she begged me to let her come over. While we were fooling around she put my cock in her ass herself and would do this regularly for the rest of the eventual LTR.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I handle this by demanding the type the exact type of sex I want so that even if I found out some horrible truths come out I'm happy with the result.

Exactly man, who's really to blame for not going after the sex they wanted.

If OP really wanted [Sex Act] so bad, he should have made it happen or found a girl that would tolerate it. Not tuck his tail between his legs and say "OK, maybe next time..."

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

What value has she brought to him beyond sex? That is the actual question one must answer when getting into an LTR. Because sex is free and easy nowadays.

She's not baby making material.

[–]SilentForTooLong 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Not everyone is trying to make babies.

[–]1xwm 11 points12 points  (0 children)

True, but it's a good standard to hold your ltr to anyway

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Number is not just a number, it severely affects a woman's ability to pair-bond, in a way that men are not affected. Our neural biochemistry is very different because of the different mating selective pressures we faced in our ancestry.

If you're just looking to stick your dick in her then number doesn't really matter if she's clean. But this was an LTR. If you're going to pursue them, then you need to up your standards and find the few women with lower partner counts. They absolutely exist but they're much rarer.

[–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Is pair bonding even important if she's intelligent enough to know that she has the best man she can get? Relatively speaking.

For instance, if she lands Brad Pitt, she's smart enough to know not to try and branch swing to Tom Cruise.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Smart girls are strongly correlated with marriage fidelity, so there's that. Problem is, smart girls are also much better at being Machiavellian. If she ends up landing a beta that's significantly below an 8, she'll still likely find a way to ruin him even if she herself is unattractive. Hypergamy doesn't care.

The way I see it, a smart girl is more likely to stay committed to an alpha than a dumb chick. Neither is particularly likely to pair-bond with a beta, unless they're low partner count.

[–]roadkillza 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Number is just a number, but when I find out she spread up her asshole for some alpha cock and begged like a slut and I don't get the same treatment, that's when things get ugly, and when high numbers are involved chances are anything she's refused to do with me she's done with someone else.

Haha, exactly that. I think the issue OP had was the fact that she lied to him about the numbers. Even though AWALT - none of them are going to tell you their real number haha!

OP: Goodluck with the future job, once you've settled down get lifting and never look back!

[–]SoldierGenerale 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Number is just a number, but when I find out she spread up her asshole for some alpha cock and begged like a slut and I don't get the same treatment, that's when things get ugly, and when high numbers are involved chances are anything she's refused to do with me she's done with someone else.

Absolutely, girls have to lick my asshole. I'll shave, i'll take a shower but there is noway she getting LTR'd if she's not willing to do that. If by any chance we split up I can always take comfort in knowing her new bf is getting my old doodoo licker.

It's petty I know, but I'm not getting the short end of any stick.

[–]1elite5472 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Hey, I'm not one for asshole licking, but you got the right mindset here.

[–]SoldierGenerale 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Exactly, if you get a girl to lick your asshole I guarantee you she will never ever see as a beta bucks.

[–]waitfor_ittt 28 points29 points  (18 children)

I'm going to agree an emphasize the fact that we should love sluts for this very reason. Acknowledging TRP, we would never date/marry them, but we could do all types of cool shit while fucking them.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 54 points55 points  (15 children)

You really shouldn't marry anyone.

And honestly, any commitment - from monogamy to girlfriend status - should have a really, really high price. Imagine OP's story, but being told about just "a girl I'm fucking" instead of a girlfriend. OP wouldn't have been bothered by it at all.

Check this out: the part that bothered him the most, the part about the famous singer guy - I had a girl tell me a story like that and I actually posted a thread about it right here in TRP like 2 years ago! But in my case, it was just some random girl. So it didn't bother me.

That's where you want to be in life. Free - including emotionally free.

[–]blacwidonsfw 27 points28 points  (7 children)

It is great to not be affected by anything a woman does because you know you will never commit. Just last night/this morning I had a 4 month very high quality plate start Shit testing me for the first time ever. It was so easy to shrug it off and just disregard anything she had to say because I am never going to commit to her so it doesn't matter. Easy come easy go who gives a Shit. The funny thing is because I didn't supplicate to her bullshit she got over it real fast and is apologising profusely to me today. If I had try to "talk" to her about it, no matter how rational it would have escalated to a Shit storm. I firmly believe that 99% of Shit tests can be solved by just raising your eye brows at her and looking away. Let the hamster spin itself.

[–]1independentmale 19 points20 points  (3 children)

If I had try to "talk" to her about it, no matter how rational it would have escalated to a Shit storm

Truth. You can't have a rational, logical conversation with a woman. This is especially true when she's trying to control, manipulate or otherwise gain the upper hand. Anything you say will be twisted into a stupid argument that nobody wins. Even if you're completely right and have all the facts and proof in the world to back you up, a bitch only cares about how she feels regardless of the reality of the situation. Entertaining her nonsense never ends well.

I used to sit for hours on end trying to reason with my ex wife, listening to her go on and on about shit that didn't make sense, coddling her while she cried and trying to understand her position because that's what a good husband is supposed to do. What a fool I was. I should have just slapped my cock in her mouth while patting her head and saying, "There, there... Daddy's here."

[–]totorox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to sit for hours on end trying to reason with ex wife's hamster

See how this sounds? I know. Women taught me much about women's "reason".

[–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I had try to "talk" to her about it, no matter how rational it would have escalated to a Shit storm.

Exactly. I'm argumentative. So I sometimes get caught up in this shit. Things only go well once I lose my patience and stop giving a shit. I go no contact and within a week, or less, I will get a call from them, few words exchanged, then we're banging on my couch a few days later.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (5 children)

That's where you want to be in life. Free - including emotionally free.

Kids are still nice though. And we need the smart people to keep having kids of society will go completely down the drain..

[–]LordhavePercy11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right about the marriage part. I've been to three weddings in the past month or so. I've either fucked the bride or bridesmaids at some point in the past. Far be it from me to try and unplug someone who is unwilling.


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A great song to play after you're done fucking them is Stay With Me by Faces. "Don't be here in the morning when I wake up."

[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (34 children)

Well played. Never a good idea to wife up an alpha widow who can't remember her notch count.

Like Chris Rock said, "a woman is offered dick every day". It doesn't take much for a woman to get laid. All she has to do is show up.

If you a figure a woman has been sexually active since her late teens and averages 2 - 4 different dicks per year, that's a notch count of 20 - 40 total dicks by her mid 20s. A beta with a notch count in the low single digits who wifes up one of these snowflakes doesn't stand a chance of having a decent LTR.

The only one who stands a chance is a guy with a higher count and why would he wife someone up if he can get pussy like that?!

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (22 children)

And that's why a ltr with a western woman is basically impossible. It would be like Bill Gates marrying a homeless woman and not giving her any money. Men and women live in two different world's, privilege wise. There's just no common ground. And it will only get worse. The West is headed to Japan style relationship dysfunction. There's no way around it. Sex is just too important. Women are drowning in it, and men are starving to death. There's no solution there, just everest size mountains of resentment and disappointment. Come on sex robots, you're our only hope.

[–]weirdnamedindian 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Even worse are the non-western girls who move to the West, especially if they have no family there. Guess how quickly their notch count rises, especially when you consider that white men are prized by these girls!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's why you have to go there. I'm sure that will be made illegal, shortly. Can't let men get out of the trap.

[–]SilentForTooLong 10 points11 points  (6 children)

I'm forced to agree. The fact that no one outside of TRP talks about female privilege is amazing.

I don't see how female privilege isn't a billion times better than so-called male privilege. Male privilege, even in its most anti-male statement from feminists, is the privilege to work long hours at ridiculous jobs, and earn a ton of money...possibly.

Female privilege is the equivalent of being born a billionaire. Having constant, effortless access to probably the only thing that even makes life worth living...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

and men are starving to death

Correction: and men betas are starving to death.

Right now it's like an all you can eat buffet, a Golden Corral with nothing but pussy, for RP guys with game.

[–]68461674897051454980 2 points3 points  (4 children)

And that's why a ltr with a western woman is basically impossible

the one question i have for this thread is why the fuck are you guys obsessed with LTRs? I used to think like that too, but once you go from an LTR which has lots of monotony and arguments over stupid shit to dating multiple girls or dating one girl at a time for a few months then ending it, it's so much better

you're basically dating every girl while they're still on their best behavior. every time. then you end it once it gets a tiny bit repetitive or boring

fuck LTRs, the alternative is so much better. save your longer term relationships for bros you've already trusted for years

[–]SilentForTooLong 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Why the hell is your estimate so low? 2-4 guys a year? There are 365 days in a year man. You need to exponentially raise your estimates for them to make rational sense.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because he's getting older.

[–]clearerwaters 115 points116 points  (2 children)

If I didn't have self respect I'd marry a woman like this making more than me, ignore her, and divorce her for cash and prizes seven years later.

Oh wait, I just described women.

Congratulations on retaining your self respect.

[–]SPARTA127 45 points46 points  (6 children)

I would like to point out the part I would be pissed about is not that she slept with over 20 guys because quite frankly as horrible as it sounds that a low number is she's mid 20s or low 30's. The part that would piss me off is that she fucking lied to your face multiple times about it. And she has the fucking balls to bring up your relationship shit. That is what would be my last straw.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I feel the same way. In that type of situation an equally horrible "truth" should be spilled back into her lap. After she came around from the drugs he should have said "honey, I have a secret I have kept from you, too.... I.... have sex with men on the down low, and I.... have HIV." Let her get sick to her fucking stomach because that is exactly the same feeling she just put him through.

[–]juanappleseed 5 points6 points  (2 children)

That...is not the same. One can get you a death sentence. The other, can upset you temporarily. Way to escalate haha.

[–]DreamBoatGuy25 34 points35 points  (26 children)

I've gotten to the point where I think if you're even asking a girl what her count is you're doing it wrong because she will undoubtedly lie and the fact that you know this and are still asking is because some part of you subconsciously wants to believe her.

There's no point in asking a question that you already know the REAL answer to. It just opens you up to believe the lie. Just assume that it's somewhere between 25-50 and every time you look at her silently remind yourself of her REAL count and base your behavior and treatment of her on that.

"It's the only way to be sure."

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

One work fling told me her number, and this was back before TRP and before I knew to multiply by three. 17. When I was with her, thankfully briefly, she was already screwing another guy at work. After we parted ways, I knew of three other guys she was involved with.

She gave great head, and no wonder...she'd had lots of practice.

Ever think back to that one girl in your past and realize you're damn lucky not to have caught anything from? Yeah.

[–]Black-Pill 30 points31 points  (2 children)

You deserve a lot of credit for biting the bullet and kicking that girl to the curb. Taking the Pill can be can be a hard and bitter truth to swallow but it is worth it; always.

[–]odileLee 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You guys deserve medals of manliness. You really do. But thats just frills, obviously a chick thing ( sorrry.) You HAVE medals of male honour. I salute you, from the fifth column.

[–]SwallowRP 26 points26 points [recovered]

Sounds like any girl over 16

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[–]1independentmale 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Don't feel bad for that idiot. He's making his own bed there. A real man would have walked away a long time ago.

[–]Trenstate 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Now I feel even worse. That friend is my brother unfortunately, and he's been with a girl for 4 years and she lives 2 hours away. She visits maybe once a month. I tell him to check her ass but she used the fact that she's 'Christian' to say how she doesn't want to have sex. I mean I like that she encourages him to finish school and workout and whatnot but that's a deal breaker for him but hes made to feel bad if he ends it over what people tell him is selfish. I Don't think it's selfish at all but people nowadays you know.

[–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tried?... Huh?... Tried what?

[–]BrunoOh 68 points69 points  (31 children)

She bites it and spills so much more than I ever needed to know.

I'm going to ask for details anyways.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (23 children)

My guess is at least one three way with two guys, partner count in the 40's and a std she took medicine to get rid of.

[–]ModAerobus 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I say the count is well into the 50s /60s. 40s seems like too nice of an approximation.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 22 points23 points  (20 children)

40s? Man, you're still deluded. 100 is damn easy for an relatively attractive girl to hit, and she can do it in a few short months while having a boyfriend.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (17 children)

I'm hoping OP delivers because if you are right my opinion on women will have changed drastically.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 13 points14 points  (16 children)

I'm well over 100 notches. I'm short, thick, was completely monogamous, deployed, or on a monk mode dry spell for 20 years of the last 28 since I figured out how to open their legs.

If I can break 100 in 8 years, any girl who is under 180lbs can easily. Care to guess how many had husbands or boyfriends? Bitch wants the dick, she can get it easy. We gotta work for it. Hell, my 18 year old daughter admitted to 60+ in the last 5 years.

[–]weirdnamedindian 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Sigh....your 18 yr old daughter is already on 60+? Honest question, did you find out before RP or after you took the pill?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the time they were with me, I raised my daughters to be honest with me about everything, and I let them make their own mistakes, while keeping them from serious harm. No bubble wrap for my kids. They know they can talk to me about anything, and I will not lie to them, I give them the straight up truth, possible and probable consequences of their actions, and they both know that I know from experience. I fucked up too, thats how I know when they are fucking up. She kinda lied a little, she is probably over 100, but wasn't sure if I'd get mad. She is cute, but damn my ex raised our youngest to be a hardcore alpha slut.

I've always been mostly red, there were a few things I was doing wrong game wise, and after my first divorce I tried to change my nature to some degree. I listened to the beta nice guy bullshit, and that caused problems. My nature has never been like that, I had to work at being nice, caring, and listening to her. I found treating them like equal partners always leads to the same thing, she fucks some other guy.

I learned game 30-35 years ago the hard way, no Internet or useful book. Trial and error.

[–]iluvpeople 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Holy shit! 18 year old has 60+?

[–]zpatriarchy 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Hell, my 18 year old daughter admitted to 60+ in the last 5 years.

parenting, you're doing it wrong.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Parenting. I was prevented legally and financially from being there, all it takes is a frivolous divorce and dad is out of the picture. Her mom put my kids in dangerous environments, which resulted in both daughters being molested by the asshole she married after me.

So thanks for your judgement.

[–]clam61 15 points15 points [recovered]

i want to know detais too haha

and gavin degraw looks like a butthole

[–]Philhelm 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Gavin Degraw? The name sounds familiar...isn't he that guy who once screwed theredpillthrow's ex-girlfriend?

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[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Good work on getting wise and getting out. Lying is always a deal breaker.

It's hilarious ... the justification that "one night stands don't count" and that it's ok to lie to you because she doesn't remember.

By the time a girl is 25 ... if she's had 5 long term boyfriends and a single one night stand every 6 months (pretty saintly for today's girls), that's N=19 assuming she waited till 18 to start.

When she's 30... 10 long term bf's, a one night stand every 3 months and a few FWB along the way comes out at N > 60. And that's hardly whoring it up compared to the really slutty ones.

Sure you've only had six dicks inside you hon... sure you have.

[–]1Claude_Reborn 38 points39 points  (7 children)

Good luck in Vancouver, but just be aware the women there are fucking awful because it's now a town filled with rich beta's due to the software boom that has been quietly happening.

The women there have a complete fucked up sense of their own market value.

That being said I fucking LOVE Vancouver, I just can't afford to love Vancouver.

Check out Biercraft over on Commercial Drv, and Memphis blues, just down the road from it is fucking awesome.

I spent most of my eating out time on commercial drive, While it's kind of sketchy looking, there are no fucking hipsters in most places.

[–]blacwidonsfw 23 points24 points  (5 children)

I live in a high density beta buck city and I think it is actually easier to pull women because they are so desperate for an AF. Plus they are so desensitized to money that if you are AF you don't have to spend any money because they honestly don't care. So many times I have a girl get dropped off at my house from a date where some tech beta bitch has just spent 300 bucks wining and dining her. The best part is eating the leftovers from their meal so I don't have to buy dinner before I fuck her.

[–]1Claude_Reborn 6 points7 points  (1 child)

yeah if you alpha up pretty hard, you could have no problem with women in Vancouver.

Just go for a suit, be jacked and don't have a faggy Hipster try hard beard.

[–]odileLee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All women love a well dresed man. Thats why the devil was suppossed to be charming, and well clad.

[–]Ties5o 1 point2 points  (2 children)

That sounds like San Francisco to me.

I would actually be interested in a more expansive discussion on this phenomenon. Playing the "alpha" card in the city makes you stand out in a lot of ways, but at the same time, women have a strong sense of entitlement from all the money that is tossed their way.

[–]SilentForTooLong 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have noticed that while in SF, which is semi-frequently.

I always wonder what you are supposed to do up there.

[–]Ties5o 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you go alpha, by putting on some muscle and enhancing your masculine presence, it definitely sets you apart a bit. But it also makes you somewhat of an outsider- and sometimes you can sense a subtle level of resentment you feel from the general population that you are not conforming to the beta hive mindset. However, by going alpha in a full on BB locale, you are selling a product that is relatively scarce, so you should be able to carve out a niche, so to speak.

[–]Jack_Wellington 57 points58 points  (24 children)

Dude if she's over 27 and never married and lives in a big city she's the town bicycle. Every Alpha took a cheap ride and none bought the bike after their joy ride.

That's why smart men marry young virgins.

[–][deleted] 81 points82 points  (21 children)

Smart men don't marry at all.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of the saying I once heard: Not all men are stupid, some are bachelors.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Two great gems to sum up this experience:

Girls know about the unicorn. They know how to "act" like a unicorn. But, unicorns do not exist. ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.


You're not smarter than the collective /r/theredpill . ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT. It took me too long to swallow but it's done.


The fact that she fucks me to a song sang by another guy she fucked is beyond what I'm able to deal with

Holy shit dude women are plain psycopathic. That's sick on a whole new level.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (9 children)

Does anyone know what recreational drugs produce this effect of truth spilling?

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[–]Rathadin 4 points5 points  (1 child)

By "forgave her" I hope you mean "broke up".

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I want to hear the answer to this! Or any drugs that result in truth telling.

[–]DownvotesCatposts 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Women are good at lying with their mouths - they are not good at lying with their bodies. Body Language is all the truth you need.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

any form of MDMA. initiate feelz.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn... so like ecstasy? Yeah, I don't really want anything to do with anything illegal, but thanks for the info! It was interesting to read the wiki page on MDMAs regardless.

[–]OKJaded 4 points5 points  (16 children)

Maybe is because I live in the city but I just assume every girl over 30 has a partner count well above 50.

You guys don't really believe there are women out there with a sub 10 count do you? (No. If it's less than 1 out of 100 its not statistically relevant.)

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 0 points1 point  (8 children)

You guys don't really believe there are women out there with a sub 10 count do you?

Nope. No hot ones anyway.

It's only a problem if you're still hoping for a unicorn. Plus, when girls say that certain things "don't count" there's some truth to that. The drunken blow job in the bathroom matters to a blue pill guy because it destroys his little fantasy that you're his perfect sweet princess. It doesn't matter to me except as something for me to laugh at.

The real problem is not the number in and of itself, it's the alphas.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Nope. No hot ones anyway.

Depends how hot. The most attractive girls have fewer partners. It's the opposite of how it works with men. The uglier girls have more sex, because they know it's the sure way to get attention. Really hot girls get more attention than they want, so they are more picky.

[–]MikeLitoris69 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Particularly attractive women often get bombarded with attention they don't want at a young enough age that by the time they're old enough to destroy their long-term value on the CC, they're also knowledgeable enough to know better.

Some of the absolute most attractive women I know are socially awkward homebodies that legitimately hate any semblance of slut culture and pine over finding "the one" in a love-at-first-sight kinda way. It's not that uncommon among very attractive women in their 20s to be virgins, and not even for religious reasons; I've known a few that have never so much as been on a date. Many of them never get approached, and the ones that do have been macked on by the best and know the moves as well as anyone here does. Women that aren't broken crave the commitment of a man they admire, not attention from strangers; because if you're a man worth admiring, your commitment is highly valuable, perhaps more so than any top-shelf poon -- seeing as how you can't unfuck someone, but you can damn sure unlove them.

I see it a lot among the "pick-up community", the notion that literally every decent-looking woman is a finagling basic-bitch cum-dumpster; and while many are, it's not because they're women, its because they're damaged. When you go to clubs and bars to meet women and that atmosphere becomes your primary reference for their quality, you're essentially poking your head into a loony-bin and concluding that all people are crazy. Such sentiments betray a lack of understanding, or more so: a lack of interest in understanding. Its the male hamster; afraid of being dismissed, post-rationalizing the safest notion for the ego of a man in the shadow of his insecurities.

[–]FortunateBum 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hot women don't have to put out.

[–]OKJaded 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Self reported data?

More likely than not hot girls self report a lower number. No one other than a RP Man calls them on it because OMG HAWT and the want to believe.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I don't believe it either. In real life, I know a girl who is incredibly ugly and even she is not a virgin. Whenever I come close to believing any nonsense about hot virgin girls over 18, I remember that even that ugly troll has fucked some beta losers. And I've seen the guys she has fucked. They are like 5/10. Just regular. Mostly flawed because of their crappy personalities.

But she is a solid 3/10. She is really nice and not crazy though, I will say to be fair, but if she was then she'd be a 0/10.

[–]SilentForTooLong 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I have encountered 3/10, and 4/10 girls that gush about their active sex lives, and boyfriends, etc... they don't seem to live lives any different than the hot girls really. It's fucking beyond understanding.

I think I snapped a little bit when I realized that these 3/10 and 4/10 girls even thought they had some kind of shot with me... I'm an easy 8/10 male. It makes no god damned sense.

Meanwhile, in the male world, even my most successful, attractive friends usually have dry spells.

The world of privilege women inhabit is truly unimaginable.

I doubt there is a girl in American who is not a virgin over the age of like 15...and that's pretty old. The majority of women I've been with said they lost their virginity around 11-12.

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[–]evilquesadilla 15 points15 points [recovered]

Yeah, when I was in my late 30's I hooked up with a girl that was in her late 20's. I was the second man she had ever been with. She married right out of highschool, stayed married for 10 years, divorced, and then unfortunately ran into to me.

I believe her 100%, she's that type of woman. She's also maybe a 4-5 on the looks scale... she's a personality girl, but is a great mother and great wife, and very pleasant to be with.

I actually stayed away from her at first because she felt like such a newbie at dating that I felt bad throwing my game at her and getting her in bed with me. It did happen eventually, and to her disappointement I didn't want a relationship with her. I felt bad, she's really something, different from all the other women I've been with.

Eventually she moved on, met another man, got married, and had another kid. All this happened with zero drama from her. The only thing is that after she got her new man she backed way off. I get it, we have a history, her focus is her new family. It would be inappropriate.

But AWALT doesn't mean all women behave this way. Because that would be false. AWALT means there's an underlying force that will push women this way. Yes, they can always say no, I won't behave this way. But given different conditions, say if my favorite personality girl in this story actually grew up in a rich family, spoiled rotten, and is a 9 on the looks scale... I bet she will turn out to be a lot different, and closer to the typical AWALT definition. This is the true meaning of AWALT that was explained to me the other day.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

If you wanted to have kids and a stable home life she would have been a great choice.

[–]evilquesadilla 3 points3 points [recovered]

Agree 100%. But I don't want a family life. No marriage no kids. I plan on dying alone. And also, I can't get past physical appearances... Sadly. I admit my superficiality is one of my many faults. I know I'll start to have better LTR if I can get past that. But I can't for some reason...

[–]askingtrrrrpppp 10 points11 points  (8 children)

First post ever in the /r/theredpill from a revived askTRP throwaway just because I felt compelled to take the time to apologize and wish you the best on your journey here on out.

No two ways around it, this situation sucks. The good news is you handled it beautifully and clearly internalized the concepts TRP and the rest of the male-centric internet teaches.

Patrice would be proud, after that admission you listened to the feeling in your gut that told you "this woman is not up to the standards I hold as a man".

Sad to think that most men would swallow that feeling and stay with her. In fact, most men would not even have the respect enough from a woman like yours to even be informed of her true sexual past.

Something inside her was compelling her to inform you of what she lied about. Not to get too weird/new age-y, but I believe that deep down she believed you deserved to know.

In a world with no sexual standards, you must optimize every aspect of you life to get a chance with and feel happy in the company of a beautiful 21st century woman. You must have comparable or greater financial security, self-esteem, sexual and worldly experience, ambition, social acuity and so much more.

Hardly matters if you're a cool, interesting, attractive or genuine person. You must compete your hardest and be on the ball ALWAYS in order to ensure you do not get played by someone who brings hardly anything to the table except for an evolved penchant for manipulation and a vagina.

[–]cosmicartery 1 points1 points [recovered]

That last statement. So true, but also so painful to swallow. It's rough guys, but we'll get even rougher by facing it head on, always. Not for the vagina nor for the recognition, but for the fact that WE'RE FUCKING MEN!

[–]odileLee 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Be proud and be manly. Women should want to be what you need. They should long for it in their hearts, like a miser for gold. There is nothing, nothing worth more than a honourable , man with self esteem. When I found one - who is always honest, brave in the face of hideous horrible things ( and he sees them every day ), kind, who upholds traditional ways taught by his grandfather - I knew that I would do anything to better myself just to be his friend. Let alone his woman. He takes no shit ( sorry!) and calls a spade a spade. Ive known hes cried, and Ive had him yell at me, full on because he was worried for my safety. Any man like that, no matter what infantilized psuedo fems are afraid of - is exciting because hes a man. And he knows it. I dont care what he does in his private time ( hes not telling me! No way ), the few hours Ive with his attention for whatever it may be - is worth whatever Ive to do to earn it. And he called me , the finest woman he'd ever met. Gentlemen, I'd die for him. Thats a man. You be one too. We need more.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp 6 points7 points  (7 children)

If it makes you feel better, Gavin Degraw is a D-lister who wears a LOT of ridiculous fedoras.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

she told him to leave the fedora on

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Plot twist: she wore the fedora while she did reverse cowgirl.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

shocking conclusion : she wore the fedora again while fucking the OP, reverse cowgirl

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Post-credit-roll extra footage: GF convinces OP to get fedora signed at a Gavin DeGraw concert, shadow boxes it, then OP sells it behind GF's back and uses the money to buy hookers.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

look at us havin fun at OP's expense. tears of joy

[–]confuseacatlmtd 5 points5 points [recovered]

I had an ex tell me that she used to be a cocaine addict 2 years into the relationship. She also later ended up playing her friends music while we were celebrating our 4 yeah anniversary. Turns out she was fucking that "friend."

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The question to ask is how many bouncer's dicks did she swallow to get to Mr. C-list McGraw? The number itself doesn't even describe the qualitative horrors that some stank vagina has seen. Ho is as ho does.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

How old are you, may I ask?

[–]ModAerobus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wrote about this in my post Schrodinger's Slut. You must assume that all women are sluts until proven otherwise today.

[–]C00l_Guy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nexted the girl

Phew. I was on the edge of my seat there. Good work.

[–]Samanthaxenia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yaletown, buddy you must be rolling in the dough.

[–]EnzoBlankz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not really surprised tbh sad reality smh.

[–]newmeforever 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry man.

Continue digesting that pill and be thankful you didnt waste more than a year.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Girls know about the unicorn. They know how to "act" like a unicorn. But, unicorns do not exist. ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.

I have realized that it is our own inner weakness as men to expect women to understand and appreciate us as human beings, rather than human doings (give her the tingles). That's right, it is a weakness, not a strength, because this "unicorn" (if she even exists) will never desire you in the same intense manner, and will more than readily replace you if you fail to give her the tingles.

[–]1RPB1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Insecurity...I do not think it means what you think it means young one.

What you're saying is that the desire to be with a beautiful, devoted and virtuous woman with a work ethic, charm, integrity, loyalty, self-control, and the ability to pair bond (lower N count) is male insecurity.

Wishful thinking perhaps, but far from insecurity. That argument is what blue pillers say whenever you hold women to any kind of standard (while simultaneously holding yourself to a higher standard).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

a girl i once dated had one boyfriend, who she cheated on with two guys.. left said two guys for guy who she had friendzoned while fucking 3 other dudes now writes things online about how much of an amazing guy he is.. if he only knew how much cock his gf was taking while he was just trying to "be her friend". i'll never get into another relationship ever again.

[–]Mazz0 2 points2 points [recovered]

This depressed the fuck out of me. How much do these girls keep bottled up? How can it not effect their conscious? Lying to someone you love. Fucking them to the one celebrity you could get with but not keep. God Damn.

[–]4delicioustreats 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She can still get with him in her mind and dream your penis is his. A sort of porn for alpha widows .

[–]2Overkillengine 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ya know; when determining female partner count one might be more accurate using exponential calculations instead of linear multipliers.

N = what she says her partner count is.

N2 = the ballpark of the actual number.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LOL that magic number "5" again

I've only slept with 5 guys is the default number on women.

[–]SoldierGenerale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Assume all girls are sluts that have had gangbangs and have been with over 200 guys.

It doesn't matter what lies she told you, this is the best mind-set to have. This way when she finally admits something small like she's had a ONS it will barely faze you and you can either next her for lying or stay with her cause you already knew she was a slut and this doesn't change the situation.

Or believe that you found a 'good-girl' that's been praying her whole life to find your cock and your cock alone and get lied to like this guy.

Not to spit on a fallen soldier but this girl lied to you, because she felt like you couldn't handle the truth. The truth that all women are sluts and it turns out she was right.

[–]neopet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good job moving on. Just a little FYI it's Vancouver, BC. "CA" is the postal code abbreviation for California.

[–]ECoast_Man 1 point2 points  (1 child)


Good on you man. It never ceases to amaze me how women are like this. Also, I love the bluffs you pulled. I've done that myself to expose the whore for what she is.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was an awesome story. You were hella on the bounce. Quick minded and not blown off guard. And you made it to the truth despite all pressures pushing for lies.

[–]evilassaultweapon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You're making me want to ask my gf the questions. I've hinted at it before, but she either didn't catch my drift and is (and was) every bit as reserved as me, or deliberately dodged it. I fear I might learn more than I ever wanted to know.

[–]spicedncoke 1 points1 points [recovered]

You better bring your "A" game if you're gonna live in Vancouver. Chicks there are vicious as fuck.

[–]RedNocturnus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kudos man. Well played and good follow through. On to the next one.

[–]h22keisuke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice, you are only one border crossing and 30 miles away from some fantastic booze.

[–]UlyssesElias 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know whether this sounds weird or not but from my experience with women, they simply do not keep count at all of the number of lovers they have. Why would they keep track at all? Once the number is greater than three, then they are embarking on their adult sexual lives and unless they keep a pretty extensive and detailed personal diary (most regular girls I know don't) then how are they going to remember who they slept with? What possible incentive is there for them to keep count?

[–]leDeadHorse 1 points1 points [recovered]

I still believe in the unicorn, but only cause I got one right now.

[–]koncept61 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vancouver represent!

Welcome to the fold... Wait till you meet the women

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Epiloge: Nexted the girl

Good man. Nothing for me to say here.

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