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Rant/VentingWhy women hate porn (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by neveragoodtime

Porn represents a failure of the girl's responsibility.

This just occurred to me when I was thinking about why it is that girls hate porn so much, why girlfriends shame their boyfriends for looking at it, and why they feel so offended by it. If a girl is upholding her end of the relationship, is attracted to you, and gives away sex and blowjobs like they're going out of style, you're not going to have much reason or desire left to look for naked girls online. Looking at porn is not a failure, or weakness of the masculine will, it's a sign that your sexual libido is not being satisfied by your partner. And she wants to shame you into believing you should be satisfied with whatever sexual crumbs she deems to throw your way. This hypothesis is based on the assumption that a man would always choose sex with a woman over porn, if given the choice.

Men's sexual drive is not something we put aside, and only pull out when it's convenient. It's built into our biology. That sex drive is what kept our species alive under some extremely unattractive circumstances. Just imagine how quickly we would have died out if our ancestors just decided he had a headache, rather than procreating with some unfuckable woman. So the point is, it's there, we're horny and not entirely discriminating. That's a feature, not a bug.

So when you're watching the final episodes of Mad Men, and you look over at your girlfriend and tell her, "I want your lips on my cock," and she says no, you don't think to yourself, welp, I tried, I guess it's not going to happen tonight. No, you call up a plate or you turn to porn. Porn never says no. And my point is that the billion dollar porn industry exists because women aren't sexually satisfying to men on a global scale. Think about what a massive failure that is. It dwarfs the global handyman industry, so I'm left to assume men are doing their part.

Women are taught that it's their body, their libido. They shouldn't have to do certain sex acts just because their partner wants them. But that doesn't work in a partnership. If I'm 150 lbs heavier than you, and you're put in charge of rationing the food, you damn well better not expect me to get by on the tiny amount of food you get by on. The female strategy seems to be to put their man on a sexual diet, and slowly decrease sex over time and hope he doesn't notice.

So if your girlfriend asks you why you look at porn, tell her it's because she doesn't satisfy all your sexual needs. And frankly, you should be looking for a girl who does.

TLDR wandering rant about how porn stepped in when women failed on the sexual part of a sexually exclusive relationship. Not, as they would put it, a failure of men to not look at it.


[–][deleted] 316 points317 points  (24 children)

Bill Burr alluded to the value of jerking off and why women dislike porn. He said that when women hold back sex, it's like them putting chains around the refrigerator and locking it shut. However, a guy always has a sandwich in his pocket.

[–]pilledwillingly 72 points73 points  (2 children)

Sometimes man, even if the fridge is unlocked I just need a quick pocket-sandwich to get the muddy water off my chest and fall asleep.

[–]itsfullcircle 9 points10 points  (0 children)

But react too slowly and the muddy water lands right back ON your chest.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (11 children)

Bill is the man. He has a lot of Red Pill thought going on in his stand up.

[–]Yer_a_wizard_Harry_ 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Check out his podcast. Listen to the ones with him and his chick nia. They are great sometimes when he calls her on dumb girl shit

[–]SilentForTooLong 2 points3 points  (2 children)

How do you know which episodes she's on?

[–]tropicalpolevaulting 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Here's a YT fan channel that has some of the better parts of Bill's podcast, and some of them are with his girl.

[–]spelczech 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's often in the title "Bill and Nia talk about bondage", and his website gives a brief synopsis of the of that week's podcast.

[–]SilentForTooLong 3 points4 points  (6 children)

The only thing that baffles me about Bill is that he has a girlfriend. Why does have a girlfriend? Especially one that constantly nags, annoys, and denies sex to him?

Or do you think it's all a stage bit?

[–]redreckbestia 9 points10 points  (1 child)

He's married as of last year. He said something to the effect of "I'm afraid of dying alone" in several of his shows.

[–]Infamous22 3 points4 points  (1 child)

He is married to her. A lot of people don't like their back and fourth banter on the podcast but it is hilarious when he calls her out on female shit she tries to pull on him and he has none of it. And to be fair she calls him out on his bullshit also. You can tell their relationship actually works due to this honest communication they share back and fourth.

And when he talks about with holding sex and all that shit he isn't talking about his wife he is referring to women's tactics he has experienced in the past not his current S.O.

[–]Poo_McClanahan 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If you listen to his podcast they're actually a pretty good couple. They rag on each other a lot and both seem to actually enjoy getting their chops busted by the other.

[–]SplashArtist 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Exactly. They hate porn because it makes it harder to manipulate you by withholding sex.

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[–]1mojo_juju 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thx much for this article. Provides a lot of good points for TRP. I love any article that discusses the aggressiveness or violence of women.

Sick of constantly seeing that shit pinned on men as if we are the only actors in society capable of such things.

We all see the "men are bad" "women are good" dichotomy all over the media. Articles like this help set it straight.

[–]Scimitar66 239 points240 points  (59 children)

A huge part of women's power is their control over sex. By placing a cultural expectation on women to deny their sexuality and behave in a prudish manner, they attempt to corner the market on sexual contact. This is why women shame other women for being sluts so feverishly and so often.

Porn actresses are women who are liberated from this expectation: they put their sexuality on display in full view of the world. Other women are opposed to this because it reduces the value of their sexuality, and by extension their power.

[–][deleted] 113 points114 points  (29 children)

Pussy and more generally female sexuality is a commodity. Prostitutes and porn anger women because they increase the supply in the supply/demand dynamic thereby cheapening the commodity that is pussy. Considering that a young women's sexuality is one of her greatest sources of power, it no shock that they hate anything which lessens this power

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 140 points141 points  (10 children)

tl;dr - Pussy Cartel hates competition.

[–]UsernameIWontRegret 27 points28 points  (8 children)

I just realized that's all feminism is- a pussy cartel.

For those of you that don't know what a cartel is, it's a collusion of all the suppliers in a certain market to fix prices. In this case, the pussy market.

Feminism is trying to fix the price of pussy to make it equal across the board for all women (due to their Marxist desires to equalize the lazy and less fortunate to hard working and fortunate people [Example: The "All vaginas are the same size" post that was on here a couple of days ago.]).

However, a cartel can only form in an oligopoly. The current market, with strippers, porn and prostitution is a competitive market. Feminism needs to lock up this free market and turn it into an oligopoly.

This is why I love economics, it helps explain so much.

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Let us not forget the unstoppable ethics train known as GamerGate.

Women have absolutely no reason to be as butthurt about gaming as they are, and yet Anita Sarkeesian is rolling in 400 grand right now just because she says "video games are bad."

Video games, like porn, football, other women, and everything else men like, are loathed by feminists. Anything men spend time on that isn't women rustles female jimmies.

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    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    All sex is transactional. You give a woman something of value (time, attention, resources) and she gives you something of value (sex, domestic work, kids).

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      [–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 27 points28 points  (3 children)

      Don't like porn, ladies? Vote for legal brothels in your community today!

      That won't happen. Think about it: if a guy can spend, say, $150 to have dirty sex with a prostitute who will do whatever he wants, why would he spend $150 taking a girl out to an expensive dinner which might result in lights-out, missionary position starfish sex?

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        [–]killcat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        But you do have to register, so they know who you are.

        [–]enRutus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        It's the scarcity principle. By keeping the pussy or the blowjobs infrequent, they believe it is more valuable and something you need to earn. "Oh it's your birthday, sure, here's a blowjob". When someone is out there giving it away more frequently, they hate on them because it reduces the value of their own sexual acts.

        [–]Argyle_Cruiser 3 points4 points  (8 children)

        Why isn't dick a commodity?

        [–]steelerfaninperu 40 points41 points  (1 child)

        Because every man on earth has one and is willing to use it almost all the time.

        Any attractive woman can get fucked any night she wants. Even the best man is going to have a possible loss on a night out.

        [–]rdt3366 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Quite right, as far as you go.

        But if you look beyond the sex act, the situation opens up like an accordion, and a multitude of other issues come into play, the primary one being wealth production. Who produces the most wealth in society? Men win this contest hands down.

        Therefore, interpreted narrowly, although a man may not be worth all that much sexually, his worth on the economic scale is off the charts. Women know this and plan accordingly. If a woman can find a man who is a good provider of resources, who is highly desirable, handsome, genetically healthy, etc., she would be well advised to give him all the sex he wants without complaint because such men are in short supply, like anything good and beautiful. So, the pussy factor has to be balanced against the desirable man as a good, benevolent provider. Considering it from the point of view of supply and demand, which is there more of, pussy or good providers? I think the former would be the answer.

        Too many men have been brainwashed not to realize this, and we have to change that.

        [–]through_a_ways 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        "femaleness" is defined by investing more energy into reproduction.

        When sexual reproduction first happened, there were no genders. Eventually though, because division of labor is always more efficient, the small, light gametes paired up with the big, immobile, nutrient dense gametes much more often. And genders were born.

        Everything of value comes from either females or dead organisms. If you don't want to kill an organism for your food (meat, root vegetables), then you have to exploit a female organism for it (milk, eggs, fruit, grain, honey). Leafy vegetables can be harvested without killing a plant, but leafy vegetables contain almost no nutrition in the way of carb/fat/protein.

        Females also have various behaviors that make them invest more energy into reproduction (brooding in avians, childcare/pregnancy in mammals)

        Anyway, when one gender is of greater value, the other one will evolve to desire it more. Males who desired females fucked them more, and sired more male offspring with that same trait.

        Females who desired males had no such fitness advantage because of the huge energy divestment per unit offspring.

        Equality is antagonistic to development. A society where there are violent shifts in leadership is more equal than one where there is no shift. But such a society also lacks the stability to make technological advances. Historians agree that inequality increases with the complexity of a society. It's also confirmed that many males died out reproductively upon the advent of agriculture. This is probably because they were less "guaranteed" a partner, because agriculture made life easier for women, and thus women had more choice.

        [–]Abadoobie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        It is. But it's a cheap, widely available commodity with a relatively(to pussy) low demand. You can see it as a commodity when looking at the top-alpha dick and how it is sought after. That dick is high-value and rare so the demand for it is more easily observed. Women will do all kinds of stuff to get access to high-quality dick that they won't ever do for average dick.

        [–]Jimmy_Big_Nuts 36 points37 points  (7 children)

        I think it was Patrice Oneal who said if pussy was on the stock market, it's price would be crashing.

        [–]Dark_Shroud 17 points18 points  (6 children)

        Dave Chappelle had a line similar to that.

        [–]Jimmy_Big_Nuts 32 points33 points  (4 children)

        It's a great line (whoever said it) and it gets a laugh, but it's not the full story; The stock market price of pussy has crashed for alpha chads - for low status betas, Zimbabwean hyper-inflation.

        [–]through_a_ways 15 points16 points  (2 children)

        The stock market price of pussy has crashed for alpha chads - for low status betas, Zimbabwean hyper-inflation.

        Just like everything else. The rich are richer now than they ever were before, and the poor poorer, when speaking comparatively.

        [–]Jimmy_Big_Nuts 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Women are ideologically neoliberal capitalists when it comes to their pussy - they believe in the free market. The problem is, unfettered hypergamy leads to - as you say - concentrations of wealth and power that do not 'trickle down' for beta-males, except in the form of free porn and self masturbation, which is effectively pussy substitute. It keeps beta sperm dead.

        Men would probably like to be utopian pussy communists. If women's opinions didn't matter, men, being generous logical souls would fairly allocate pussy. One women per man seems like the starting ratio but there could be structural changes to keep excitement fresh - something special like a lottery on holidays, upgrades based on merit (social usefulness, not just wealth or fame), friends could share and pool women freely if they chose to, men not interested in LTR could pool women to fuck a different one daily, and so on. Women's sexual history would be on a receipt. Criminals wouldn't get more pussy for being 'bad boys', they'd lose their pussy privilege. Crime rates would drop to an all time low if being a good decent guy in the eyes of men paid off and pussy was a natural resource. It wouldn't be a right, it'd be a privilege, but one all decent men would get a taste of - and more generous portions when they earn it. Men would probably breed girls artificially in large farms to inflate their numbers. I'm sure the global council for the happiness of men would work out how to make more attractive women rather than make bombs. That's a male utopia - looks nothing at all like our world.

        We do not live in a male utopia, we live in a very Darwinian market, it is the mechanism by which we as a species survive and women's strategy is as integral as men's. A lot of beta males will lose, that's the point of the system! We can't blame women on the cruelty, it's nature.

        Feminism is a movement to create a female utopia, and as men we should oppose that imbalance for the sake of ourselves and the species. Just as women oppose our utopia.

        TRP teaches you how not to be a loser in the eyes of women. It teaches a beta how to become alpha. Women have makeup, surgery and other tricks to game the system too.

        [–]LukesLikeIt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Chappelle said it but he meant it in the sense women were making it too easy. "flooding the market"

        [–]nickofca 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        Porn is a substitute good for women. The demand for sex will decrease as the supply of porn becomes more available, leaving the price (in terms of attention, money, and overall effort) that most men will pay significantly lower. For instance, the number of men that will give up after a night of pursuing women because of the availability of porn. In the absence of porn, these men would be willing to "pay" more for sex, giving women a more profitable experience.

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          [–]Scimitar66 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          This is my personal belief, so take it as you will:

          Every civilization by definition has a collection of pervasive cultural understandings regarding decency, morality, the origin and purpose of mankind, etc. These understandings form the foundation upon which we design and organize our society. The word "ethos", which I believe sums up this concept quite well, is defined as:

          "the characteristic spirit of a culture, era, or community as manifested in its beliefs and aspirations."

          Now, if we consider different civilizations to be akin to distinct but inter-related organisms in an ecosystem, then we can treat the "ethos" of a civilization much like it's genetic code. Civilizations can combine and mix their cultural "genes" (A good, small, example could be the assimilation of pagan holidays into Christianity), or split apart and produce dimorphic offspring. (Say, Protestants splitting off from the Catholic Church, or the division of Muslims into the Sunni and Shia) Moreover, civilizations are often in competition against each other over access to land and natural resources. It's natural selection on a sociological scale: superior cultural codes will produce superior societies which will outcompete, dominate, and assimilate inferior societies.

          The reason that the preservation and protection of female sexuality is so deeply rooted in most dominant societies is because it was instrumental to the optimal form of reproductive relations throughout history. Consider a fertile, healthy womb to be a resource, just like food or water. A supply of this resource is obviously imperatively valuable to the continuation of a society, and it is a limited resource. It takes a massive investment of time and energy each time a woman produces a child, so it is best for a civilization to design a system in which their wombs are most effectively used.

          Naturally, this gave rise to the "Alpha fucks" component of human reproduction; women are culturally programmed to preserve their valuable wombs for reproduction only with the men who have proven their value to their society; whether this be the biggest, strongest, and most effective hunter or the intelligent, confident and capable hedge fund manager.

          This model is pervasive within our society because it is and has been a vital component to the sustaining and furthering of said society. We are and have been the cells of a great organism, and we (men and women) reinforce the cultural concepts (through slut shaming, in this instance) which preserve and advance the interests of that organism just as unconsciously as our own cells digest, metabolize oxygen, fight disease, or produce eggs and sperm.

          [–]WordsNotToLiveBy 3 points4 points  (3 children)

          Yet the Porn Actress is not the ideal either. We've had multiple posts and articles on the issue of women with higher sexual partner count correlates with high divorce rates. The history and the human psychology of pair bonding.

          Porn actresses may be liberated, but it comes at a cost. This is why porn, MGTOWs, and marriage rates dropping may be a lesson to the general female population that things need to change. Personally, I think things will get much worse before it gets better.

          [–]Dravous 13 points14 points  (1 child)

          watching the porn actress isn't dating the porn actress. she morphs into what is needed in the moment and then disappears into the ether and takes her baggage with her.

          [–][deleted] 126 points127 points  (62 children)

          This is a fascinating analysis. I'd like to take it one level deeper.

          Your main point, that "Porn is the result of women failing to satisfy men's sexual needs on a global scale," is interesting. This explanation does not entirely explain why porn exists, but it goes a long way towards explaining it.

          Let's assume your hypothesis — that women are not satisfying men's sexual needs on a global scale — is correct. Then my question is, "Why is this happening?" Here's my theory to explain it, which is twofold:

          • Technology. Increased flow of information through the world.
          • Capitalism. The consolidation of wealth and power.

          Men's libido exists independently of any social context. I would still fuck a cute bitch without knowing a single thing about her. Men are sexually attracted to women because of women's bodies, and nothing else.

          Women's libido, on the other hand, is entirely a product of social context. Women would not fuck a handsome guy without knowing a single thing about him. Women are sexually attracted to men for their social status, and pretty much nothing else. (They like "Alpha" /douchebag behaviors because these behaviors signal social status.)

          As technology and capitalism progress, Men's libido has remained exactly the same, because it is context-independent. However, WOMEN's libido has changed RADICALLY, because technology & capitalism have RADICALLY changed the social contexts that everyone exists in.

          Capitalism inevitably results in the consolidation of wealth and power to a few "Apex Males" at the top of the financial hierarchy. This does not necessarily affect women's libido, because they can still be satisfied by "Lesser Alphas" — as long as they believe that these Lesser Alphas are the best options available to them.

          So Capitalism, on its own, is not the cause of Women's diminished libidos. The cause is Capitalism PLUS TECHNOLOGY.

          The effect of technology, and its increased rate of information-flow throughout a capitalist world, has been twofold:

          • Women are no longer satisfied by the Lesser Alphas, because they are heart-wrenchingly aware that their mate is not the best mate possible. When Women KNOW for a fact that their Men are not the absolute pinnacle of Power, they are dissatisfied. Technology makes every woman hyper-aware that, no matter what, their mates are not THE BEST OPTION on a global scale.
          • Women now have the belief that technology will give them access to these Apex Males. They think they can fuck Drake just by sending him an Instagram message. And TBH, they probably can.

          Capitalism inevitably results in the consolidation of Social Status to a few men at the top. This isn't a problem unless EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE EVERYONE ELSE IS in the social hierarchy, and technology makes that possible.

          Game largely depends on information asymmetries. If a man dresses, talks, and acts like a CEO, he can get laid like a CEO — as long as women do not find out that he is not actually a CEO. If a man says that he has hella bitches on his dick, then women will believe him and give him sex — unless they can simply look at his Facebook page and see that he does not have any bitches on his dick.

          As information flows more and more freely throughout the world, information asymmetries are disappearing by the day. Today, it's really fucking easy for a woman to assess a man's social status — and therefore sexual desirability — simply by googling his name.

          Capitalism = all power goes to a few men. Capitalism + technology = all power goes to a few men, AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

          All women want the Man with the most power. Now that they can INSTANTLY FIND OUT WHO THAT MAN IS and BELIEVE THEY CAN USE TECHNOLOGY TO MEET HIM AND FUCK HIM, nobody else can really compare.

          ...#DarkEnlightenment #FeminaziConspiracy #ImActuallySeriousThough

          [–]JJonesWisco 61 points62 points  (8 children)

          Negative. Men are attracted to porn because they need variety. It is in our biology. This was hammered home to me by a nerdy glasses-wearing hot female psychology professor in college. This is a girl who knew how to mimic hundreds of bird calls. Timid, feminine, quiet, but still AWALT. Took an animal behavior course from her, and the lessons she gave out were pure red pill gold.

          We spent quite a bit of time on animal sexual reproduction behavior. She showed us some very interesting research result in rams' refractory periods. Scientists found that if you kept introducing a new ovulating female to a ram, the refractory period stayed pretty much the same (about 20 seconds, if I remember correctly), regardless of how many females he mated with. However, if you left a ram with the same ovulating female, his refractory period increased exponentially between each encounter. This phenomenon is termed the Coolidge Effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect

          The other interesting research results were the mating success of alpha male ducks versus the beta ducks, and how beta ducks were still able to reproduce, albeit at a much lower rate than the alpha, by providing resources to females (food). She had a slide comparing it to humans, and she told us that the take home point of all this information, from a sexual reproduction angle, was that if you're an attractive guy, mate with as many women as you can, and if you're not, get a good job and get on providing in the hopes of finding a woman. Watching this little sexy nerdy professor telling it like it is was a big eye opener for my 20-year old self.

          [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

          I agree with everything you're saying. I prefaced my post by stating that I do not think the popularity of porn is 100% due to women's lack of libido. Like you're saying, men need variety, and porn serves that need beautifully.

          My theory is an attempt to understand the changing dynamics of the sexual marketplace, not an attempt to explain the existence of porn.

          You make some great points.

          [–]redpillthrower 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          whats funny about that is that is the exact same type of study that people use in defense of no fap. In real application you only really get bored with a chick (assuming shes a decent looking, interesting both sexually and mentally) if you live with her or spend every day with her.

          [–]JJonesWisco 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          That is absolutely correct. It's the same reason why long-term couples suddenly hop back in the sack passionately if they spend a few weeks apart and then get reunited.

          [–]SilentForTooLong 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          I guess sometimes I wonder if I may legitimately be transgender or something, but this supposed inherent male need for variety is 100% dead in me.

          I have had a few runs of one-night stands, and I found them exhausting, and enjoyable. Made me swear off sex for quite some time actually.

          Whereas, once I find a woman I actually want to be with, and I decide for my own self that "yes, I will commit to this", that's it for me. I grow more attracted to specifically her every day, for years on end, stop watching porn, ignore all other women, etc...

          I have totally missed out on this need for variety. I specifically do not give a fuck about it. I would rather be able to fuck a single great woman at any time I want than go through the bullshit of dealing with numerous ones constantly.

          [–]JJonesWisco 3 points4 points  (3 children)

          I didn't say anything about wanting to talk to a woman and go through the hoops to get to home base. I am purely referring to the visceral human need to want an attractive woman. Your gut instinct that kicks in the second you interact with a woman.

          Do you not walk around this earth evaluating every single woman you cross during your day in a Terminator-like fashion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvRb9jZ9wFk) to determine whether or not you would want to sleep with them? I call it the men goggles, and it makes for great conversation with a table full of girls. Don't you instantly assess whether or not you would want to fuck the woman that you just crossed in the street? Doesn't an HB10 walking down the street with a mini-skirt, long legs, a nice tan, big "eyes" and long hair immediately cause you to turn your head? If not, then you may not be wired the same as I am.

          [–]SilentForTooLong 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Yeah, when I am 100% single. But if I have, after like 1-2 years, committed to an amazing woman, I no longer do.

          I don't know how to describe it. All I know is that at one point I was strongly committed to the woman of my dreams, and I never looked at any other women during that time. It just made no sense to. The only woman I ever thought about was her. It was the best time of my life. Unfortunately people can die all too suddenly in this world =/

          Anyway, you just sit and talk to women about how attractive you find them at a table full of them?

          [–]chkethley 38 points39 points  (22 children)

          Good point, that's why I hate when women complain about "being judged by their looks." That's ALL you have to worry about as far as your SMV. You could write a 4 page essay about everything a man has to be to have a high SMV

          [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (21 children)

          That is true, but it is also the pessimistic perspective on the truth. You're saying that the glass is half-empty.

          The optimistic perspective, for a man, is this: Women's SMV is 100% genetic and immutable. Their best efforts can not increase it. Even though men's SMV is more multi-faceted and complex, it is nowhere near 100% genetic, and each of us has the ability to raise our SMVs significantly through our actions.

          [–]nuferasgurd 33 points34 points  (9 children)

          Makeup, boobjobs, bras, hair dye. These are all bandaids that can temporarily raise women's smv, but they have a timer that runs out very quickly.

          [–]chkethley 21 points22 points  (3 children)

          also a little thing known as working out

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            [–]Hoodwink 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Most women can get to an 8 by eating relatively healthy (control for calories) and make-up.

            [–]FuckyouAvast 1 point2 points  (4 children)

            You can't fix ugly. I'm not sure where ugly women fit into society, I don't envy them.

            [–]Dravous 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            well....they are getting better all the time with surgery.

            [–]_fappycamper 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            Not 100% genetics. If you go to Eastern Europe you will see so many more hot women everywhere. Reason is they make the best of their genetics by taking care of their body and style. They also supplement it by being feminine.

            [–]chkethley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            this. american women are far less attractive because a lot behave so masculine.

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children)

            I think this whole third wave feminism shit is a direct result of women knowing how they are assessed sexually. They know that what they have is what they get, so they try to cover up their sadness of being unfuckable with feminist ideals.

            [–]jartman 14 points15 points  (3 children)

            This is why I think you're better off getting rid of social media. Keeps girls in the dark about your status rather than allowing them to categorize you as a lesser male.

            [–]epixs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Not also keeps them in the dark, but it allows for their minds to run free. As some posts earlier this week stated about how females tend to fill their blanks spaces about you with gaps...having no social media presence increases effect because they have no way of looking you up.

            [–]1User-31f64a4e 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            And it frees up your time, to do something more constructive than facebook.

            [–]SilentForTooLong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yeah, but if you don't have your own wikipedia page, your SMV upon googling will tank. And you will be thought of as very awkward for not having some kind of social media presence. I know this first hand, as I was VERY late to the game getting a minimal social media presence.

            [–]1Soarinc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Capitalism creates wealth, socialism eventually runs out of money and destroys wealth. Michael Moore lives in a $2,000,000 lakehouse mansion (well, his ex-wife has it now...) but my point still stands. For more info, check out this link: youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT_8

            [–]1knitro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Women would not fuck a handsome guy without knowing a single thing about him

            I don't necessarily agree with this part. They'd infer what they need (he's probably a leader, successful, etc) to rationalize sleeping together.

            Think about how much ONS from Clubs really know about one another prior. It's primarily looks driven, for both sexes.

            [–]1User-31f64a4e 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            You have just given the best reason ever not to partake of social media. ( /r/theredpill excepted, ofc. )

            [–]caesarfecit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            You're speaking of capitalism in vaguely Marxist tones and applying it to the sexual marketplace, when you yourself acknowledge it isn't money and financial power that actually gets you laid, it's social status. And how do we know this is true? Beta bux...

            What socialism and mixed economies do is blur this distinction between wealth and social status and make them one and the same. In a highly socialist state, you can't even aspire to alpha status without social standing, regardless of how smart you are or how hard you work. In the USSR, I can guarantee the only guys getting laid were the ones in good with the party, or the gangsters.

            Red pillers should be all about laissez-faire capitalism and libertarianism, because that's what allows individual men to succeed to the best of their ability. Socialism and crony capitalism mean you're stuck as a peon unless you choose to reject system entirely or game the system to amass personal power and status at the expense of others.

            Social status is not a zero-sum game. As Mark Manson showed, social status is signalled by behavior, and it's those behavioral cues that girls pick up on (only the stupid/needy/crazy ones care more about status symbols). You can take a total chump, surround him with an entourage of high class escorts and that may con a few girls but they sure as hell won't stick around because he's still a beta at heart.

            High social status comes from confidence and self-esteem and the ability to remain in that state without external validation (that's why girls shit test, and the ones that do get routinely played by narcissists). Money and financial success catalyze but don't replace this, because that confidence has to be earned by success. Capitalism, and the more purely its practiced, provide the opportunities for guys to earn success. Which is why rich heirs always get surrounded by the worst gold diggers. Socialism just gives guys the results of success without the cause. You might as well call for socialism in the sexual marketplace as well, and demand women give guys pity bangs.

            [–]TheWaterTemple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Capitalism = all power goes to a few men.

            I appreciate your effort, but you misunderstand the concept of capitalism. I won't go into why you are wrong, but you can look up what capitalism means in your spare time. The thing you speak of is the concept of inequality.

            You must understand, inequality is a fact of life and will always exist. Lebron James will dunk all over you day after day and nothing will change because he is one bad motherfucker. He is "one of the few men with all the power."

            Nothing wrong with what you are saying, but your word choice does not match up with the concept you discuss.

            [–]GucciTheWalrus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            This was beautifully written

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Thanks dude, glad it connected with you.

            I really enjoy articulating secular trends in the world. TRP is like micro-economics — it focuses on each individual actor in order to find out what motivates them. I think my theory above is kinda like "Macro TRP," because it attempts to articulate the effects of TRP truths in the world at large.

            [–]DougieTheCaker 26 points27 points  (7 children)

            I'm sure others have the same experience, but whenever I get a new girl I usually just forget about porn and go weeks sometimes months without it. Then slowly I get bored and will watch again. I don't think it really means the girl isn't doing her job. Atleast in my experiance when I have a new girl it isn't a guarentee I'll be seeing her everyday to get off so even if it is new It's hard to go to long without some release.

            [–]unassumingusername7 25 points26 points  (3 children)

            Yea a lot of the time it's just the variety. If sexual exclusivity is your thing, you can't really have a girl who's Asian, Latina, Nordic, skinny and thick.

            That said, I usually avoid porn because I want my brain to associate sex with women, not the computer.

            [–]mistakesarelessons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            this is the real reason unless youre a shmuck in a sexless relationship

            [–]occupythekitchen 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            You've never had a girl within a month shit test you asking if you watch porn?

            [–]DougieTheCaker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Ohh all the time. And I always admit to it but say i do so infrequently. I frame it more as 'if i haven't seen you in a week or so i need to jerk off so i don't destory you with a huge load or only last a minute'.

            [–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (27 children)

            IDK what girls you know, but as far as I'm aware girls like porn too.

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              [–]disposable_pants 4 points5 points  (3 children)

              Yeah, the basic premise here is certainly up for debate. I'd say most women are apprehensive about watching porn with their man, but not anti-porn (either watched as a couple or by himself).

              Why are women apprehensive about co-watching porn? I doubt it's because they view porn as an acceptable substitute for sex with her (as OP suggests) -- any woman with any sort of confidence or ego is going to assume she's better than your hand. This is notably different from the prostitution example OP raises, where even an extremely confident/cocky woman could easily imagine being replaced by actual sex with a more attractive prostitute. Masturbation isn't a close substitute for sex so that logic doesn't apply to porn.

              No, women are apprehensive about watching porn with their man because it's the collision of his fantasy with her as reality. Ever notice how women typically want you to choose the porn? They can see the thumbnails as well as you; they just want to see what you choose so they can see what you really like. If she's a big-breasted brunette and you choose a video of a blonde with small tits, does she suddenly doubt your attraction to her? If you pull up a video with tons of anal but she's never wanted to try it, does she suddenly think she has to? Any anxiety about porn is likely born out of these sorts of questions.

              [–]CaptainIncredible 3 points4 points  (4 children)

              Although something curious I've noticed: Many of the girls I know who do like porn, like (sometimes even prefer) girl-on-girl porn. And I'm referring to straight girls who exclusively date guys, not bi or lesbian girls.

              I don't have any statistics on this, and my statement is completely anecdotal.

              I just wonder how this plays into OP's post (which is actually really good and thoughtful. I'm certain there is significant truth to it.)

              So... Girls who like girl-on-girl porn... Is it a preference thing? A different form of control (as in 'I don't need a man')? Is it a trait they've adopted because they know guys generally love girl-on-girl porn? I wonder...

              [–]elliot_rodger_92 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              "straight" porn is often about pleasing the dick. You can tell by the way they're filmed: first person, anal, creampies, blow jobs. Girl-on-girl porn pays more attention to the pussy, making it easier for women to "self-insert".

              [–]Linrraba 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              The porn industry has a set of porn for women outlets (studios like sweet sinner, digital sin,new sensations). It's basically rom-coms with actual sex in it.

              [–]CaptainIncredible 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Interesting. The stuff I'm talking about is the typical "I'm here to deliver your pizza, hey let's fuck." kind of porn, except two or more chicks.

              [–]Temptationn 15 points16 points  (7 children)

              My uncle got caught watching porn because his wife checks his phone's history as if he's a child. After being caught she punched him in the face then gave him about 10 shit test. Why are you watching porn? Am I not hot enough anymore? Is it cause im old now? you like watching girls your daughters age? do I not make you horny anymore?

              the list goes on, my uncle is a beta and was raised by my grandma who still treats him like he's 11. He gets kicked out his house almost weekly but yet runs back to her and even calls her "moma" it makes me sick but it's how he was raised and he'll never change.

              [–]neveragoodtime[S] 28 points29 points  (4 children)

              Her questions reveal that she's aware of her shortcomings pushing him to porn. But instead of addressing them and trying to be sexier for him, it's much easier to punch him in the face and then shame him.

              [–]Postboned 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Just try to look at things in the positive way.

              At least he is not your dad.

              [–]Dragontitz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              I'd answer yes to all those questions

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              [–]abdada 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Yep, back in 2010 or so they were already focused on amateur looking pros. Small chests, a little nerdy, thin and not curvy, etc.

              I don't pay much attention to porn since the industry wasn't for me (too high reward, really), but I've been told the Playboy look is basically dead for now.

              [–]cariboo_j 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              The vagina cartel doesn't like being undercut by competitors

              [–]aa223 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              From what I have seen for the most part women hate the things men enjoy. That is why you see a lot of them advocating for censorship of porn, video games, and other mediums. Sure they can have sex but at the grand scheme of all things they can't compete with the thrill video games and sports can give a man. Or how about that moment you get lost in a book? Sure women can do all those things too but what is the point if they can't monopolize pleasure and exploit it? Why do you think they have been doing all those things while assuming the guise that it is bad for us? It is because they have to actually put in effort to be as pleasurable as any video game, sport, or book. If they go after these things then they are the pleasure givers and the men will be treated like a dog who may be rewarded with the one thing left that can give him pleasure.

              I know it sounds like a conspiracy but from Breitbart's Exodus of men to a lot of the censoring that has been happening lately it is the only conclusion I can come to.

              [–]evilkenevil 6 points7 points  (2 children)

              Let's shorten this up a bit: women who hate porn hate porn because the women depicted are hot, willing, and really into pleasing their guy(s).

              [–]neveragoodtime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Thank you for seeing the point of the point of the post and summarizing. I'm suggesting the women who shame men are reflecting their own shame at not being willing to please their boyfriend. That it is their insecurity that makes them upset, as they accuse men who look at porn of being insecure.

              [–]ravenzephyr1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              How are all women the same if some women hate porn (because "I should be enough for you") and some others love porn and even watch it with their husbands/boyfriends because its just sexy fun?

              [–]I_want_GTA5_on_PC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Because all women are evil monster psychopaths, you know that right?

              [–]FortunateBum 5 points6 points  (3 children)

              Women like porn, but not the same porn.

              Women's porn is romance novels (Fifty Shades).

              Women choose their partners according to status (hypergamy, for example). I believe physical dominance is a subset of status. Those who can use physical dominance with impunity are obviously the highest status.

              Women need a whole romance novel for getting off because they can't get turned on unless they imagine they're fucking the guy who's at the top of the pecking order. In order to create a convincing fantasy of a man at the top of the pecking order choosing to fuck a woman who's not at the top of the pecking order, you need an entire novel. You need to create a whole universe of people, you need to place the man firmly at the top, you need to put the woman into a convincing position where a romantic interaction is possible. Because it's fantasy, you can't simply put the woman in close social proximity. She has to "catch" him somehow.

              [–]through_a_ways 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              This is a great comment. Nearly everything about female attraction ultimately boils down to power (social power and physical power).

              [–]Danedina 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              It is kind of funny that men don't give a flying fuck who the chick is, just that she's hot and wet. Roll playing is needed when you're getting bored of your one and only and need to pretend she's actually someone else -- what your wife doesn't realize is that she could be anyone else.

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              [–]SilentForTooLong 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Indeed. The majority of women I've been with like porn these days... so not even totally sure how valid this all is anymore.

              [–]phrostbyt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              People here really take awalt to am extreme.. Often failing to distinguish differences in personality and preferences

              [–]Goldfulgore 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              And my point is that the billion dollar porn industry exists because women aren't sexually satisfying to men on a global scale. Think about what a massive failure that is.

              True but that's not a failure. It's biology and it's called the 80/20 rule.

              The female strategy seems to be to put their man on a sexual diet, and slowly decrease sex over time and hope he doesn't notice.

              Your post leveled up after this. Awesome way of perception.

              [–]abdada 9 points10 points  (51 children)

              So if your girlfriend asks you why you look at porn, tell her it's because she doesn't satisfy all your sexual needs. And frankly, you should be looking for a girl who does.

              I disagree with this completely, except for the last line somewhat.

              Porn is a high reward behavior that doesn't always connect with sexual need but with a dopaminergic addiction to immediate thrills.

              I love guys who love porn because it generally means their girlfriends are suffering from bad sexual abilities.

              I don't need porn. If I am not sexually satisfied by a girlfriend or girlfriends, porn isn't going to make a difference.

              [–]Redpillc0re 11 points12 points  (36 children)

              The need is there regardless. In ancient rome they didn't need porn because they had brothels . Porn is a response to the repressed sexuality of christians, dont fool yourselves.

              [–]abdada 6 points7 points  (31 children)

              Porn is a product that's been tailor fit to all consumer bases with money. I know, I did work with AVN for a few years and it was a great experience looking at suckers who swear up and down they don't pay for porn.

              Porn has always been a consumer product. Even femme porn (smut novels) is a consumer product.

              There is no need for porn. There is no need for video games. There is no need to watch athletes throw balls on TV. These are all consumer products for mental midgets to get a dopamine rush leading to addiction.

              [–]Redpillc0re 2 points3 points  (3 children)

              Yeah its definitely a consumer product but that doesnt mean it doesn respond to a need, and if that need was met (frankly you would need a harem for that) it wouldn't be so appealing.

              Same with video games. If boys had a place to play mock war games in the mud, they would go there instead. I grew up like that and always found videogames boring.

              Just wondering how much of porn is tailored for moneymaking. Women are avid consumers but very few make porn for women.

              [–]RealRational 2 points3 points  (16 children)

              mental midgets

              haha, this is the first time I've heard anyone but me use that term.

              It seems like you're saying that everyone who watches sports is a mental midget though; which if that's what you're doing you've already betrayed the truth.

              [–]abdada 6 points7 points  (14 children)

              Nah, I have a few buddies who are invested in sports so they watch to stay apprised. But the guys investing 10+ hours a week to watch, discuss, "fantasy league" the sport? Please. What a fscking waste of space.

              2 years ago I went to a bar to "watch" a football game. Holy crap is it addicting. Even though I don't drink or eat crap, I was driven to want a beer and nosh on nachos. The idea that it was a "community spirit" situation is false. It was just a bunch of lonely addicts bonding over their dopamine rushes -- there was no actual value in the event other than gorging on dopamine rushes and going home depressed once the rushes wore down. And then looking forward to the next time they can share those dopamine rushes together.

              Grandpa told me when I was 4: "Don't watch sports unless you own the team." He was right. No point in it.

              I play sports for fun and health. It's much more fun. Get a Frisbee disc or a football and get some buddies together (or coed) and the bonding actually happens.

              [–]RealRational 1 point2 points  (13 children)

              Gotcha, we're agreed, though many people I know would be upset to hear it phrased this way, despite me telling them in "nicer" words.

              I think the revenue created by professional sports is going to decline over the coming decades, dramatically. I think the oppression people felt in the 50's 60's business culture, of feeling "trapped in your cubicle" drove a lot of that stuff, sports, fast food, convenience and instant gratification basically.

              As more and more people choose to forge their own path, instead of just doing what they're "supposed to do" those types of entertainment will die out.

              I long for those days.

              [–]abdada 1 point2 points  (12 children)

              Cubicles are money makers, I suggest every guy here have 4-5 blue collar types working in cubicles all day for their own profit.

              All televised entertainment is changing and adapting to the short attention viewership. Attentions are shorter because reward thrills are quicker and cheaper than ever. You can get high watching 90 seconds of YouTube or 16 seconds of SnapChat videos.

              This is good news for We the Producers of the world. We can make less, charge more, and get our customers hooked forever. Just pick a color and attach a city name to it with an animal name after it and you'll have fans who want their "team" to "win".

              Sponsored by Michelob and Doritos.

              [–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I agree with the first two but I watch every Huston Texans game fuck with me

              [–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (8 children)

              Yeah man, no one needs to do anything. So why not just off yourself?... We're all just running around on this rock trying to have fun in the brief time we're allotted in the simulation.

              Your way of thinking is ridiculous. It leads only to a single conclusion: "I should kill myself so that I no longer need anything, since staying alive would make me need to stay alive."

              [–]abdada 0 points1 point  (7 children)

              I earn my brain rewards with risk and work.

              You push a button.

              Which life is more contented and actually happy, with human bonding and joy?

              Which is chemical overload and robotic?

              [–]PantherHeel93 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              They had tons of porn in ancient Rome.

              [–]Redpillc0re 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Lots and unashamed erotic art for sure.But it wasn't meant to inspire masturbation. In fact masturbation is rarely mentioned.

              [–]CanadianMastermind 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Agreed. As a gay guy myself, just about all of my gay friends (even one in LTRs) will refer to watching porn. Porn is just an outlet that's not necessarily tied to your satisfaction in the bedroom. Just like how someone can enjoy watching baseball and playing baseball. Playing lots of baseball doesn't mean that you won't want to watch it.

              [–]neveragoodtime[S] 1 point2 points  (12 children)

              Perhaps I oversimplified the girl vs porn dynamic. My focus was on why our femcentric culture is so threatened/ offended by male porn consumption. You can see the crux of their feelz is realz argument is how porn for women is empowering, and porn for men is disgusting. How do you empower those women with out the men to consume it? You don't because the argument isn't logical. I'm suggesting their disgust is hamster logic to hide their sexual shortcomings from themselves.

              [–]abdada 3 points4 points  (11 children)

              I dig, but it feels like it's reaching on a topic that's been discussed to death in TRP circles.

              Porn is another consumer addiction that is marketed to plebes by producers. Porn has no place in a man's life unless he's the one filming it or profiting from it.

              What a woman says about it means nothing. I have ZERO idea what the feminists, SJWs and Oprah-types say about porn because I (a) don't listen to them, and (b) if someone mentions what they say I just say I'm not interested at all.

              Debating what women talk about also doesn't interest me; I just wanted to put my 2c in about porn in general, not the "what women say" topic.

              [–]zikkitzo 3 points4 points  (9 children)

              Following with the 'fuck what women think, this is my opinion on porn' I'll weigh in as if my opinion matters.

              I'm going to quote fucking 'Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers' here with no shame. "Everything in moderation". I'm sure that lesson has been taught elsewhere, but that's where I heard it first. Habits and addictions can be formed around anything. Our ability to control our minds, emotions, and urges through discipline and rationing is paramount to a healthy mental state. Just because porn, alcohol, or whatever else is habit forming doesn't mean it's bad for everybody at all times. It's when you watch the HD shit for hours a day and it starts impacting your life that you need to re-evaluate.

              Personally, I have no problems getting a girlfriend but the idea of plate spinning bores me. So I've found a 7 who's libido matches mine and done the LTR thing. Sometimes she goes out of town for whatever reason and Men gotta man. So I take care of business myself. I'm a visual person and can't get anywhere without some visual stimulus. I'm not sure I can be convinced that's unhealthy. Filming it is worse than the occasional viewing. Porn cameramen are very likely to develop ED. It's an industry epidemic.

              [–]abdada 2 points3 points  (8 children)

              "Everything in moderation" is created, plain and simple, by producers keen on getting consumers addicted to some level of consumerism.

              I advocate low reward living to all men, regardless of means and dreams. If you push a button and it makes you happy, NO moderation is going to temper the dopamine surge from pushing the button.

              I've spoken to reward engineers in every market. The guy who made millions designing the sound of a potato chip bag opening in order to instill a dopaminergic response in the opener. Moderation when billions of brain science engineering is spent on it? I don't think so.

              Last year I interviewed 2 sound and video engineers for a MAJOR professional sports team. They both admitted that they add a "thump" at the end of a play in order to signal viewers to eat a chip or drink a beer. They admit they add a micro-second white flash to the screen to create the same trigger. Professional sports on TV is a consumer product designed to trigger addictions in viewers. There is no "in moderation" when you see the mental midgetations that happen to most people who are into a team (months of their lives wasted following stats that don't matter).

              Moderation is a line easily crossed into addiction.

              6-7s are perfect for LTR. 8s are good for spinning. 9s are good for ONS. I spun plates successfully but it is exhausting. I've had 5 LTRs at once and it was exhausting. I prefer LTR, but I will always keep many backups waiting in line and I will nuke an LTR the minute she refuses to (a) follow my leadership and (b) act like a total goofy retard that her dude is with her or paying attention to her.

              If you like porn for when she's away, why not have her film you guys together? Guaranteed it'll help her stay in shape when she sees herself on her own camera.

              [–]Dyalibya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Porn can still be good for you even if you didn't want to watch it, because of it decreases the competition for you in the market

              [–]WerewolfofWS 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              What do you make of this whole Nofap craze? Ive started it and noticed some benefits such as increased productivity and energy levels.

              [–]AugmentedFury 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I did Nofap for 4 months. I didn't notice anything different.

              [–]foldpak111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              A lot of people hate it, and a lot of people like it. Everyone gets in a dur state when speaking on the subject because they fail to realize that everyone is built differently. Some respond positively, some negatively. I'm on the positive side with productivity and energy levels, but I also realize that a lot of people respond differently.

              For me, my oily skin and acne went away. No more brain fog. Intense libido. Happier. Basically life is better. I love nofap, it's a great thing, but only if your body is compatable with it.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              My sexual libido is being satisfied by my partner but I still watch as much porn as I did when I was 15. My gf doesn't mind either. The thing is, no one girl is going to FULLY satisfy any man's sexual appetite. For some men, porn fills in those gaps, for others its cheating or prostitutes. Don't fool yourself into thinking a girl that satisfies all your needs is out there.

              [–]1User-31f64a4e 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I remember a woman I used to work with talking about her husband and men generally shouldn't look at porn. "I should be enough" was what she said.

              Well, she's right, but she's inverted the responsibility for being enough.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Sex is their greatest weapon, It is one of the few things a female relationship can actually offer you. Porn/prostitutes is like democracy to a Dictator, it takes away their power

              Honestly anything non-sexual (if your straight) is better with men. More honest, more trustworthy, more reliable and frankly more fun

              I get more from male friends than i get from even female family.

              Entitled women, thirsty beta's, white knights and a society hell bent on consumption and the destruction of manhood, we have probably for the first time in human history men simply saying "well we don't really need you anymore"

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Perhaps, but I'm currently in a very satisfying relationship (sex nearly every day) and still occasionally enjoy looking at porn and taking care of business myself.

              It's like even if I ate out at Michelin starred restaurants every day I still would occasionally want McDonalds.

              Actually, that analogy might work on her...

              [–]SilentForTooLong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I am sure you're correct.

              I have never been in the situation myself though, but sounds about right. I can't imagine ever being with a woman that said no to sex just because. I've had them say things like "I'm at work, I can't sext you every 5 minutes!" or something, but that's about it, which, at the end of the day, makes some kind of sense I guess.

              I would literally never speak to a woman again that direct shame towards someone for porn use.

              There is a very sophisticated argument that porn is the great good on the planet, and pornstars are the most moral people on the planet. It's relatively simple in gist though, it's just applying utilitarianism to it:

              Pornstars make an incredible amount of people happy, they add a huge amount of pleasure to the world, and do little (no?) harm to anyone. Therefore it is the most moral industry on the planet.

              This obviously fails for anyone coerced into it, or that is part of an illegal human trafficking operation, but regular porn? I can't think of anyone more selfless than pornstars. Fuck priests, and missionaries, those self-serving motherfuckers barely do any good in the world most of the time. Pornstars actually make people's lives happier every day, millions of them. They are the MVP's of humanity.

              Hell, if nothing else, this sub ought to love them for giving them insane leverage over the women in their life.

              [–]UlyssesElias 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              women really love porn but their preferred porn isn't the same as men's. So much of the literature they read is quite pornographic whereas guys prefer visual porn

              [–]FateBender 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Nice observations.

              In marriage or any form of LTR, the frame should be presented right away. If women are really butthurt about men's libido not being satisfied by interactions with them, then closing up their legs and just "allowing" sex once in a while just for duty is completely irrational. The said frame should be that "either you fully invest in our sexual relationship or I'll go and easily start spinning plates and get it from them"

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I think there is some truth to this. It appears that quite often a man's sexual needs are marginalised or taken as a minor component of a relationship.

              [–]2johnnight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Just imagine how quickly we would have died out if our ancestors just decided he had a headache, rather than procreating with some unfuckable woman.

              Actually, those who did that died out quickly. That's the point.

              And my point is that the billion dollar porn industry exists because women aren't sexually satisfying to men on a global scale. Think about what a massive failure that is.

              Good point.

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              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              I'd say OPs comments relate to men watching porn in relationships and how the female in those relationships hate.

              If you're in a relationship where the woman won't fuck you, she shouldn't get mad she should just leave.

              [–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              If you believe RP doctrine as I do, you have to accept that fact that if women don't want to fuck you, it's your fault and you need to improve youself.

              So swallowing the RP is literally admitting that women are Gods then?

              [–]Lyrad1002 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              That's only part of it. Part of it is men are wired for novelty. Even if you have a gf that does it all day long, you are going to want to look at different naked women.

              [–]1Ronin11A 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              And my point is that the billion dollar porn industry exists because women aren't sexually satisfying to men on a global scale.

              Great point, and very true. The times when I was sexually satisfied by a woman, I forgot porn even existed.

              [–]cock_pussy_up 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              The real problem for them is that porn allows men to take care of themselves and not need them. If men don't need women for sex they're no longer as vulnerable to women's manipulation, and therefore the women lose power.

              I always find it funny how much women complain about creepy creepers trying to have sex with them. But when men jack off to porn, they complain about that too. It is because it takes away their power.

              They like it when they can use their sexuality to get what they want from men. For example, they'd rather have a man be their platonic no-sex-getting male friend/emotional tampon than have a guy just jerk off to porn and not need them.

              [–]through_a_ways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I always find it funny how much women complain about creepy creepers trying to have sex with them.

              This is known as a humblebrag. Most women don't outright hate creeps; they actually appreciate, on some level, that there is a man who is interested enough in them to behave creepy; but they also revile the thought of having sex with him.

              [–]goodbyewatch 3 points4 points  (4 children)

              Sorry but I just can't agree with any of this. Women don't hate porn. Some women do, but that is usually radical feminists or insecure women. Radical feminists see attractive women using their feminine traits to make thousands of dollars in a single hour. There is a reason most feminists are not attractive. Attractive women are more than happy with the way things are. Because being an attractive woman makes life so easy and has so many benefits. Not the case for ugly/fat women. Insecure women get jealous that you are turned on by other women, and freak out. You can't just classify all women into the same group all the time. Some women love porn, some don't. Most of my girlfriends have loved porn and we watched it together all the time. I don't watch porn because I'm not being sexually satisfied by my gf. Sometimes I'd rather have a quick wank than have sex. Sometimes I just want to watch some hot different women than my gf fuck on camera. And if your girlfriend doesn't immediately suck your dick anytime you ask, you should call up some other hoe to come suck your dick? Really? Shit like that is why this sub gets so much shit from everyone. Do you really think your girlfriend should have to suck your dick literally any time you ask, without hesitation? And if she doesn't suck your dick for some reason that you should tell her she isn't satisfying you and call up another girl to fuck? There's nothing RedPill about acting like that, it's just being an asshole.

              [–]neveragoodtime[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              To your point about some women, yes, some women like porn. This was directed at the women, and a large segment of society in general, that does shame male porn habits. And I agree that they are usually ugly, insecure, feminists who are also unlikely to be pleasing their man, if they have one.

              I really don't have an opinion about men who do or don't look at porn, however if it becomes the preferred choice over a real girl, that points to a problem. Either your girl's not hot enough, she's too much trouble to get warmed up, or you could be developing addictive behaviors.

              And yes, if I'm going to agree to a sexually exclusive relationship with a girl, then I am going to expect her to be willing and excited about sucking on my dick whenever I ask. That's not asshole behavior, that's what I look for in a girl if she wants exclusivity. And because I'm a kind and considerate leader, it probably wouldn't be during Mad Men, because she might not finish me off before the commercial break is over.

              [–]goodbyewatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              ""however if it becomes the preferred choice over a real girl, that points to a problem. Either your girl's not hot enough, she's too much trouble to get warmed up, or you could be developing addictive behaviors.

              I don't think you get to decide what sort of masturbation habits are and aren't okay for people to have. Porn is for fantasies. No matter what my girlfriend does, how hot she is, etc., she isn't going to fulfill my milf teacher fantasies, or whatever other random fantasy I happen to be thinking about. There are plenty of things I have watched in porn that I wouldn't want to actually do in real life. Porn isn't a substitute for sex for me, I can have sex whenever I want.

              So if your girl woke you up at 4am and demanded you eat her asshole, you would do it without hesitation? Because I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd tell her to fuck off and go back to sleep. And I would expect the same thing from my girlfriend. You either expect your girlfriend to be turned on and ready for sex literally every second of every day, or you think she should fuck you anytime you demand it regardless of her desire. Yet I'm assuming you wouldn't do the same. I don't get turned on by fucking someone who isn't in the mood and doesn't want to fuck me at that time. Not sure why you would want to force someone to suck your dick when they don't want to?

              [–]teenagediplomat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              women don't hate porn, every chick I know watches porn from time to time. most just probably don't admit it to you.

              Its natural for both men and women to masturbate. OP is armchair overanalyzing something so stupid and frivolous. People in a relationship (male or female) can get annoyed if their partner is having orgasms thinking about someone else other. Thats completely normal and not a sign of weakness...

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              [–]neveragoodtime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              That's the goal of your looking for an LTR. If your goal is spinning plates, I would hope you can be satisfied by enough women.

              [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              The male sexual strategy, which is about reproduction at the end of the day, and not hedonistic self-pleasure, which is generated only as a means, on a primal biological level, is to fuck and impregnate as many women as possible for as little in exchange as possible. To the extent that a guy can't do this, will he then have to do other things to compensate. If all the alphas died tomorrow, the best of the betas would become the new alpha class and enjoy newfound sexual freedom. As it is, they must trade goodies for sexual favors, unless they take the red pill.

              Porn is a reminder to a man of his true primal nature, which rounds counter to women's sexual strategy: to secure the best sperm and the best provider: if in one package, great! If not, alpha widow plus beta bux. Every time a man looks at porn, he realizes he doesn't need his girlfriend for sexual arousal. He also realizes he has options, both real and imagined. He can find other women, as represented in porn, in real life, or he can find them online as phantasms, or he can be content with his own phantasms, porn assisted or otherwise. Once he realizes this, he understands that any potential LTR doesn't draw their primary value from the sexual services they provide, but rather from character attributes, like loyalty, compassion, willingness to work hard, being a team player, all of which can make for some great, fulfilling sex. He then becomes more demanding of the woman, which raises the bar and forces the woman to work harder to please him, something the woman hates to do, and also, anyone hates to do. Without porn, he's like an idealized Muslim virgin girl; no knowledge and therefore no expectations of what other cocks would be like, thus theoretically content with whatever her husband provides. The woman thinks if she keeps him away from porn, he'll only focus on her.

              Smart women do what my friend's mom did. She watched porn with her hubby, and let him watch it, and didn't make him feel ashamed about it. They had both reached middle age and were not in the best of shape, but they had affection for each other. She looked at the whole with a sense of humor because she recognized the biological reality that his body would be perpetually drawn to young fertile women, so why make him miserable by denying him that release?

              [–]robo23 3 points4 points  (4 children)

              Regardless, try to keep your porn watching to a minimum. I'm not a "nofapper" by any means, but doing that shit too much really does curb your sex drive for actual living women. Spin enough plates and you shouldn't have to worry about it.

              [–]T_H_E_T_R_U_T_H 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              My ex was so offended when she found out I still watch porn.

              "I'm not good enough for you anymore?"

              No, no you aren't. We've been having sex once a month...if that.

              Sadly she never changed. Probably because she was fucking someone else.

              [–]imojo141 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              More than 55% of women openly admit to watching porn. Idk how you got your idea that women hate it. More things in this sub should be based off fact and not obscure opinions.

              [–]soccerplusaviation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This tells half the story. Men get into porn and sometimes prefer it over real women because it is easier to access and fucks the reward circuitry. The reptilian mind thinks, why should I go through the effort of getting a real quality women when I can fap to any hot chick from any race.

              [–]I_want_GTA5_on_PC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Meanwhile we still use words like "slut" and "hoe", no wonder women are prudish and don't see sex just as something nice. This also goes along with that stupid lock and key saying. Maybe we shouldn't blame women but blame the whole slut shaming that's still going strong as ever?

              [–]Kenny_Twenty 1 point2 points  (11 children)

              "girlfriends shame their boyfriends for looking at it, and why they feel so offended by it. If a girl is upholding her end of the relationship, is attracted to you, and gives away sex and blowjobs like they're going out of style, you're not going to have much reason or desire left to look for naked girls online"

              I got this far before I realized that you don't have any idea what you're talking about or maybe, you're just really inexperienced. I don't know if the rest of the post is just as incorrect, but everything in these quotes are wrong.

              [–]Iknoghostmagic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              honestly if i had the choice of looking at porn and jerking off or banging some fat chick i rather jerk off

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              what about jerking off to some fat chick?

              [–]ActNormal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              If a girl is upholding her end of the relationship, is attracted to you, and gives away sex and blowjobs like they're going out of style, you're not going to have much reason or desire left to look for naked girls online.

              lol... this sounds like female logic...

              any male who has ever had a chick do everything possible knows she can't really do EVERYTHING...ie. be another chick.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              I watch porn all the time and my gf doesn't care, however i suppose if she let me anal her 3 times a day and blew me the second i told her to i probably wouldn't but i couldn't really expect that from her.

              We have sex 3-4 times a week and it's pretty good too, but she's a human being and doesn't live to serve my every sexual desire just like I don't live to serve hers and i'm not going to eat her out 6 times a day. Sure every guys fantasy is to have a sex slave who will do anything he wants whenever he wants but that's not how real life and real relationships work. This post reeks of butthurt, i get the point and i agree when it comes to extreme situations (sex once a week, only missionary, never enthusiastic, etc).

              Point is if you date a girl that doesn't let you watch porn then you are retarded so this post is irrelevant.

              [–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              but i couldn't really expect that from her.

              Huh, why not? That's what I expect of any woman I would make my GF. The hell?

              [–]esayer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Sorry but girls don't hate porn.

              [–]RP_Since_Birth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              This is pure cringe on so many levels and not even closed to being based in reality

              [–]aazav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Hahaha. Because they can't be everything to their guy yet they don't want to work to be everything for their guy so it's an unspoken and unadmitted failure of the woman herself. Of course, she can't admit that, so she lashes out at the thing that upset her and exposed her weakness and failure by merely existing, porn.

              OMG. Hahaha.

              [–]boozemunkee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I totally value your perspective and I have heard stories of women going crazy when their man watches porn, there's plenty of tv show and movies that show this trope but I think in the real world there are two sets of women when it comes to this issue. Those that hate porn and those that love porn. I fall into the latter category, I have always found porn really exciting, I've watched it with ex's and had it be a tool to have an even better time in bed. I also wouldn't give a damn/feel threatened if he watched porn without me. I watch porn by myself in relationships and it doesn't mean I'm unfulfilled its just that sometimes I want a little me on me time. I think guys are the same. So all in all I say find the girls who like porn and you won't be disappointed :)

              [–]steelerfaninperu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This is entirely accurate and brilliant.

              I really do think it's a major point of importance for men to realize that they are horny for a reason and that is part of who you are as a man.

              Until you accept this, you will be more likely to side with women on all issues. You'll empathize with her lack of drive. you'll quietly submit when she turns off the pussy faucet. You'll forever be at pussy's mercy, because you'll be more likely to take the pussy's side.

              And that, makes you a pussy.

              [–]Lorska 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I think another reason why women hate it is that it allows men to be single much more comfortably.

              For example, I will go years at a time in between relationships where I'll have 5-10 one night stands a month. Being able to supplement those with porn feels just about where I'm dialed in.

              Without porn, I would be more of a prisoner of my need for consistent sex and therefore forced by my own libido to stay in relationships, just to get a daily fix of most likely bland sex.

              [–]iJJD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I agree with what you said and with what someone in the comments mentioned how women like to hold back sex as a power play. The second thing I want to add is that I think they have been taught to think that it is a little pathetic and it seeing us masturbate can potentially break frame

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I see it as degrading the value of her pussy. most women believe that what keeps a man is access. If he has an outlet that discludes her, her leverage is ruined.

              Same reason they hate sluts: "Why buy the cow when you can get milk for free?"

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              [–]neveragoodtime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I've noticed this too, that when my porn usage goes up, it's an early indicator of a relationship problem that needs to be addressed, or break up.

              [–]OilyB 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              I've been single since almost a year and it's crazy to see how many more women are trying to proudly display they 'like' swallowing and anal these days in comparison to 8 years ago. Porn is moving boundaries for men! Yay.

              [–]neveragoodtime[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Women have dug themselves a slut hole they can't get out of, because it's all about competing with other girls. They've entered into this vivacious slut cycle where by becoming more slutty in their 20s, men expect that, and they must become more slutty just to keep the guy. Porn probably opens guys eyes to the possibilities. If girls weren't so promiscuous, they wouldn't be getting rammed in the ass, and they would be able to find future husbands who wouldn't expect to be able to ram them in the ass. I've dated a lot of sluts, and they've all had something they no longer do. That's when it's time for me to move on, because it means her best, most open sexual years are in her past, and not even sloppy seconds are on the menu.

              [–]OilyB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              "not even sloppy seconds are on the menu"

              Hahaha

              I know, bro. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

              [–]Trisha_Hill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This is gold man. Very nice read

              [–]Scizzler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I'm sure it goes without saying but this does not represent all women, many of them for sure, but not all.

              [–]ErenYeager91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Great post!

              Now stop for a second, and imagine how would it be if most men understood this? Many relationships and marriage would be over because their girlfriends or wives are bad in bed. Imagine if society puts responsibility for better sex on women? And if we leave them when they don't do a good job. Fuck, the world would change upside down. Every woman would start watching porn so they can learn how to satisfy their men. They would become frustrated and would not know what hit them. All of a sudden, people would start opening blow job schools and have competitions in that. Women would start to practice Kegel exercises. No more shitty sex for us, no more asking ourselves 'did she come', because the only thing that matters is if this girl is better in bed than last one. So, I support this. If she does not want to have sex, simply turn on porn and start jerking off. Even better if you can do that in front of her. And if she is not ashamed of that, and don't do nothing, than why the f do you need her? Leave that bitch.

              What do men need to do to make a perfect world I am describing? They need to stop being a pussy and be honest with themselves.

              What do we on TRP need to do? Share the red pill community and watch it grow. :)

              [–]albete 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Porn is a way for men to get sex 'on the side'.

              There is status hierarchy, with men at the top having sex with all the women. Porn allows men to subvert the hierarchy and obtain sex they don't 'deserve'. This is why women hate porn. It also decreases their leverage.

              Note that the equivalent female porn (romance novels) is socially acceptable, since all women are deserving of sex (reproduction).

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