Rant/VentingWhy most of today's women aren't worthy of your commitment. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan

If you're Machiavellian and understand women you will have no problem managing female bullshit. The real problem I think is most guys find the cherry just isn't sweet enough. That's to say, although YOU COULD manage her YOU'RE JUST NOT SUFFICIENTLY INCENTIVISED TO DO SO. Most women aren't worth the extra effort, simply enough. They take more than they give. For access to a vagina you have to:

  • Have her put all her worries and stress on you
  • Listen to her boring, empty, vapid social observations
  • Deal with her whining/being menstrual/insecure
  • Deal with her crazy whenever it rears its's head

And you have to deal with all that like a champ, stoically, because if you lose frame too much the relationship is fucked and she doesn't even want you anymore even though she's, to be quite blunt: an insufferable cunt. You pay so much in spirit and mental energy being in a relationship with a woman. Pussy can be had cheaper. If women have shit personalities, why do you want relationships with them? Most women have absolutely no personality that makes them worth commitment. What women don't seem to understand, flying off auto-pilot on their looks in youth, is that a hot tight body only attracts men, it doesn't keep them around. She will lose her beauty. You actually need to be mildly interesting and/or good-natured to be relationship material. So what do we do? We fuck and chuck.

Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of men would like a family - but it has to be with the right woman. Not a dim, boring, narcissistic empty shell of a human-being. Personally I rather never reproduce than put my children through the pain of being raised by a stupid, horrible, whiny self-entitled woman. I don't even care if she's good to the kids, if she's a cunt to me the kids will see that and it will affect them detrimentally. That's not how I imagine raising a family, you either DO IT RIGHT or you don't bother doing it at all.

LTRs should be mother material - most women nowadays aren't mothers because they deserve to be, but simply because they stopped taking their birth control. Too many whores are fucking dragging kids up nowadays, not raising them right - and that's why we have all the problems we do in society. Millennials are a mess because of divorce and single mothers. I don't want to put my kids through that bullshit. If she puts herself above family, she's not a woman I ever see as anything other than a hole to be used for my momentary leisure.

Not only is the reward lower, but the effort necessary is higher. So you're playing on a higher difficulty for a lower prize.

  • You have to be vigilant, you can't let your guard down or give into your kindness, because she will exploit it and see you as less for "showing weakness."

  • You have less sexual options than if you were single, this one woman is controlling your sexual preferences, and then she'll play games where she doesn't put out to control you. Basically, bitches weaponise your libido against you and then force you to listen to their feelings if you cant sufficiently dread/headfuck them. But if you stray to get your release then it's not her fault, it's yours, you're the evil one.

  • She knows you better so she's better at head fucking you. She'll press all your buttons, say shit plates wouldn't know. Say some shit about your mother, say some shit you told her about your childhood. Whatever. Basically any fucking thing you think is sacred she's going to use against you to "test you" and also because bitches are just plain crazy and hormonal and are going to lash out at some point. She's meant to be a partner but you can't even properly open up to her without her abusing that shit. And it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

  • Likewise as she knows you better she's more immune to your techniques/strategies/mannerisms. She will become immune to different gambits/coping mechanisms you use like a fucking disease growing resistant to antibiotics. So you need to change your shit up or it'll all fall apart.

  • You have to keep reinventing yourself and being inconsistent, or she gets bored and looks elsewhere for cock on the side. Society/her family will support her in this and she'll just rationalise you're a cunt.

  • You don't really get a break. You don't get to let your guard down. Because if you do she freaks out and fucks off. Momentary vulnerability can only be superficial/aesthetic in nature. If you're LEGITIMATELY VULNERABLE she will dry up and abandon you.

So the work you put in IS IMMEASURABLE and the reward is negligible. It's a terrible investment.

When women make relationship demands, they're just being selfish. Women have nothing but benefit to gain from a relationship with a man. Associating with a man improves their life. Men lose so much spiritually from being in a relationship with the modern day woman that these women just aren't worth it. When women started saying they don't have to give a man they're committed to sex whenever he wants, but the man still has to put up with all their shit - they instantly became unworthy. Some guys could soldier on through women with shitty personalities if the sex was always there, they could overlook it - but with a lot of these bitches now not even that's a given. There's so much hard work, energy and bullshit involved in being in a relationship - and the reward just isn't there. What's it all for? Pussy? You can get that single. Love? Most these chicks aren't loveable. They aren't what we want psychologically. Thanks feminism.

Men are beings of rational self-interest. They respond well to incentives. If women were worth it, men would commit to them. They're not, so we don't. Women are pretty fucking shitty for anything other than momentary fun. Relationship-worthy women are probably .1% of the entire population because society is sick and women put career/individuality above family. I don't find career women attractive. I find family-orientated women attractive. When women stopped making an effort to be loveable to men, the only thing keeping men in love with women was their delusions. Once those delusions are stripped away, there is fuck all left. Most women aren't people you actually want as friends or people you have significant mental input with. They're just holes for fucking, or you ignore 'em. Sad it's come to that, but it is what it is.

In light of this I don't LTR up girls with any depth. What I mean is, I don't expect it to last, and I seem invested, but really I'm not. I pretend to care, but I don't give a fuck. They're all research and practice to me. I'm not actually "in love" she hasn't "got me" she has me spending time on her (which is what she wants - commitment) but I don't form the emotional attachment because they lack the qualities necessary for me to want to even attempt caring about them. When you LTR an unworthy woman, you either treat her like a practice bitch or you get taken for a ride and come out of it significantly worse.

To conclude:

Women fail a cost-benefit analysis. Plating is the habitable zone, relationships nowadays are like emigrating to Mercury, too near to the sun you're gonna get burned, living conditions are shittier than they are on Earth. You wouldn't invest in a depreciating stock, well women are the same - they are constantly depreciating in value only to increase their demands/preferences/entitlement as they age. Women do not rationally appraise their dating value. They defy the market by increasing rather than decreasing their demands as their beauty dissipates. Retardedly and quite ironically, as they get less physically attractive, they likewise become less mentally attractive.

Wanna know what a woman's maturity brings? It doesn't bring about intelligence, enlightenment or more reasonable expectations. It brings about more baggage, more unrealistic expectations and a more emphatic anti-male sentiment. THEY MAKE THEMSELVES EVEN LESS ATTRACTIVE PSYCHOLOGICALLY AS THEY AGE, WHICH IS IRONIC, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALSO LESS PHYSICALLY ATTRACTIVE. Women age like shit, both in body and in soul. If you can't buy in when she's at her peak, why are you going to buy in when she isn't? When women are physically worth it but not mentally, they're not interested. Good luck even finding a woman who's hot, young and doesn't have the personality of a cunt.

Essentially the older a woman gets, the less desirable she gets whilst becoming more difficult and entitled. The wall is real. Some old bitches smartened up and realised being submissive/sweet/docile was the only way they'd ever get a guy to stick around. So they take dick up their wrinkly ass, cook well and work hard on behaving like less of an insufferable cunt. You know, they do yoga, try to read shit, have a personality, avoid toxic crap like sex in the city and idle gossip. Less of a simpleton, less of a bitch. Most women who are past it however choose cats and the feminist ideal of hyper-individualised dignity rather than put in the work to change themselves so an older man sees her as being even remotely worth a fuck. To the very end women are defiant. They would shame men into compliance rather than become what men want. Why would you want to invest any significant mental capital into that?

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[–]RedSunBlue 184 points185 points  (52 children)

Society/her family will support her in this and she'll just rationalise you're a cunt.

Let us not forget the hordes of simps who will happily take your place at the first moment's notice.

I let a friend use my computer once and I just casually glanced over her shoulder as she logged into Facebook. She had just broken up with her boyfriend.

I kid you not, there were at least 50 messages in her inbox and god knows how many friend requests. The vast majority of them were from guys she didn't know, or had just met once or twice.

"Omg, i herd about u and whatshisface, u ok?"

"Damn, sucks about whatshisface, lets get some drinks ;)"

"Feigned sympathy so I can hit dat?"

She's a 6, maybe a 7 with full make up and heels.

The thirst is real.

[–]the99percent1 81 points82 points  (2 children)

The sad fucking case of the bluepill dominated world we currently live in.

Is it any wonder why these women are narcissist, entitled cunts?

Ignorant men are allowing them to slide and not hold them accountable for it. All for the 'holy grail' of pussy...

[–]turbo_blender 16 points17 points  (1 child)

The sad fucking case of the bluepill dominated world we currently live in.

Is it any wonder why these women are narcissist, entitled cunts?

Ignorant men are allowing them to slide and not hold them accountable for it. All for the 'holy grail' of pussy...

when I said we have to help blue pill guys anyway otherwise they're gonna fuck us over willingly or not, I was called blue pill and beta.

ALPHA POWER BRO, all you need is to be ALPHA. Like if you're alpha, you have a god shield protecting you from government law, social climate, angry betas.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (28 children)

This is something I can't wrap my head around. This aspect of society, the massive amount of single men seeking a general dating relationship, short or long term.

Women just have to be more content in their 20s. It's messed up that so many men are the ones that don't want to be in their 30s without a girlfriend/wife when it's the women who should be scrambling for something before the big three o.

On one had, I see guys that married young with wives that don't know any better because they sit at home trapped raising kids. The fear of raising them alone and paying for them at the same time probably keeps quite a few in line. On the other hand, I see tons of single people just getting older fucking for all the wrong reasons. At first I disagreed with the whole 'don't get married' idea. Because eventually you'll find someone that holds worth to you. But really it's just a bunch of people settling because they don't want to play the game anymore.

[–]Senior Contributorveggie_girl 64 points65 points  (21 children)

I blame it on the fucked up media we've grown up with. A lot of these guys are brainwashed by sappy 80's songs and horribly written romantic comedies. Every male from boyhood onward is taught nowadays that to be truly happy you need to have a "meaningful" relationship with a woman.

It's poison is what it is, and the sooner you disconnect yourself from it the better. Stop watching bullshit shows that focus on a guy trying to get the girl, it doesn't work that way. When have you ever found a man to be happy with a woman after he's pined and pined for her and she knows it? That happy man doesn't exist.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (7 children)

What's poison is the idea that there's something—anything!—out there that will make you happy. Drugs, women, money, fame, religion—it doesn't matter what it is, if you think having it will necessarily grant you happiness, you're in for a letdown. If you choose hedonism, you'll always be chasing the next hit of the Mary Jane, the next dose of dopamine.

"Happiness" is a terrible foundation on which to build your life. Don't bother.

[–]1beerthroway 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Truth, honor, power.

These are things I prefer to live by.

I'm really digging nihilism lately. Realizing my own mortality is very freeing. It's making me really focus on the things that I'm best at instead of trying more new things.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Mine is information, capabilities, and torque. 500ftlbs between idle and 6000rpm makes me happy.

[–]El_7 2 points3 points  (1 child)

But this is where The Media and Madison Avenue have done an amazing job of convincing us that pleasure=happiness. Drugs, money, sex, they all provide you pleasure but it's fleeting and once you start chasing it that's when addiction sets in (and of course addiction is a very profitable business model to achieve). On the other hand I feel like happiness is a different thing, and something that really can only be properly attained through a skill. Men appear happiest when they climb mountains, win games, make discoveries, invent products, or create amazing art/literature, all of which involve some pain or sacrifice of some kind. But pleasure is instant gratification that can be commodified and sold to the highest bidder, so it lends itself to capitalism perfectly. I mean the people I have met that seem happiest or at least most at peace with themselves, were so content they didn't appear to really need a lot of stuff.

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Strive for the zen contentment, the quiet soul. Strive for what you want and be content with whatever you manage to get.

[–]Dwightlicksbuttholes 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you aren't happy what's the point? Smoking weed makes me happy so I do it. But that doesn't mean I let it control my life.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can enjoy marijuana without being a stoner. You can drink alcohol without being an alcoholic. You can be a celebrity without being a Justin Bieber.

But make no mistake--pleasure isn't happiness.

[–]prodigyx 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Don't forget the Disney movies. Every little boy is supposed to grow up to marry a princess and treat her like one.

[–]Chavagnatze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also, be a handsome and rich tool. The princes don't even speak.

[–]SplashArtist 40 points41 points  (4 children)

Dude, EVERYTIME I turn on the radio these days all I can ever say to myself is "This guys a fucking beta". So many pussy worshipping/needy songs out there it's crazy. Seriously guys, take that shit off the fucking pedestal. You're writing a song about her leaving and thats because you are a little supplicating bitch. Listen to the radio with TRP in mind, you will be disgusted.

[–]1xwm 20 points21 points  (2 children)

I can't listen to half my music collection anymore. One day I just stared paying attention to the lyrics and noped my way out of a thousand or so songs. It saddened me a little.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Truth. This dude popped up on a Pandora station recently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conor_Oberst - feeling nausea set it, I immediately killed the list and nulled Pandora, then ear bleached with some Red Fang.

[–]alpha_n3rd 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Pop is full of BP bullshit

There's some good RP stuff out there on country radio

I got a Brand New Girlfriend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHe7w782I3k

I'm Gonna Miss Her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwRrKaq0IyY

If you're lucky enough to have a hip hop station there's some great stuff

Body Language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ht6gSClAzo

99 problems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPsCH0N378I

There's some pretty RP classic rock

[–]lowdownprod 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Show me a beautiful woman, and I'll show you a man that's tired of fucking her.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Exactly, every time I invite a girl over to JUST watch a movie or eat dinner together because I'm craving some female company, I regret it instantly because I realize how not awesome I imagined it would be. Sex has to be expected for me to stay engaged anymore, but women hate that expectation so I have to play aloof the entire time if I'm going to take them to bed. I know I will eventually snag them, but sometimes I just want to chill with an awesome chick and enjoy the show and THEN she comes on to me. Nope, doesn't exist, they are shitty movie watching buddies and get 'sleepy' near the end because I wasn't giving them attention and deny the sex. It's a death spiral.

[–]Redpillc0re 3 points4 points  (2 children)

The role of pop culture is underappreciated in TRP (I guess because most still do love pop culture ). Mass culture is a recent phenomenon and its brainwashing effect is real. Unfortunately, social justice dictates that it keeps being hateful to men for the foreseeable time.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't mind them hating me, I'll still do what I want, when and how I want. Hate all they wish, I have better shit with which to concern myself.

[–]the_bastards_bitches 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want to understand mass culture better look up "Public Opinion " by Walter Lippmann, and Edward Bernays. It's fascinating how they figured out in the 1920s how to guide the direction of culture.

[–]_space_wolf_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a little late on this but so much yes. When watching TV I would start noticing these subtle hints that tend to shape the way society thinks. It got me thinking and after hearing a quote "are your thoughts really yours?" I was completely mind fucked

TV was shaping my mind without me even knowing. So I decided to stop watching TV completely & disabling ads on my computer. I listen to my own music, no radio, and I read what interests me on the Internet.

So today at work, they have a TV set up for us since we have a lot of down time, and wow! EVERYTHING was just some bullshit trying to make me think a certain way about life. It was almost sickening. All the movies were basically just saying life is pretty much worthless for men without a woman.

I mean it's ridiculous! I'm so much better off without all this crap and so is everyone else

[–]Philhelm 13 points14 points  (2 children)

At its core, it's about abundance mentality. Around 90% of women will have the abundance mentality of Chad Pitt McThundercock by default, without any effort or investment. Meanwhile, most of the men without abundance mentality are hoping to snag some permanent snatch since they may only be getting laid sporadically, and are super thirsty.

It is fucked up though.

[–]SilentForTooLong 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Abundance mentality seems like a lie you tell yourself to maybe gain confidence as a male. It's not a reality.

Women have it because it's just reality for them. They can have almost any man they want at any moment.

[–]Tom_The_Human 2 points3 points  (1 child)

But really it's just a bunch of people settling because they don't want to play the game anymore.

But, unfortunately, the game doesn't stop when you get into LTRs.

The game stops when you go MGTOW or die. Not gonna lie, I kind of envy gays.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (7 children)

I honestly dont see the point in not cheating. The fact that 80% men are descended from 40% of women show women are inherently deceptive.from a financial perspective,monogamy is just not an investment but a risk,and now not even worth the prize.the amount of cock the average woman takes before going into a relationship,I feel cheated on in advance

[–]UlyssesElias 8 points9 points  (6 children)

It is infuriating that women can have all the cock they want before, during and after a lTR or marriage. They don't even have to work for it. It's there for the taking. Guys have to work hard for sex but it feels like women just have it on a plate.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 11 points12 points  (5 children)

They need commitment, without it they feel like shit. They love sex, but don't need it if they have commitment from someone. They control access to pussy, you control access to commitment if you give it away too easily, you won't get sex.

Supply and demand.

[–]SilentForTooLong 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Ok... so why do women go around having sex with hundreds of guys before marriage then?... Kind of makes no sense. Randomly fucking all the time because they can seems to indicate they just like sex.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Trying to lock down an alpha, just having fun, girl power, woooohooo girls, because they can, whatever. The high count chicks that opened up to me were confusing fucking with someone caring about them.

Why does a girl fuck a bunch of randoms during spring break? Answer that and you have it all figured out.

[–]SilentForTooLong 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You did not answer the question?

I assume it's because they love sex, and female privilege allows them to have as much sex as they want.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I observe what they do, the why in this case varies. It's doubtful you'd ever get an honest answer, so you watch what they do. It gives you an idea of what to expect.

[–]SilentForTooLong 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Action: have lots of free sex.

Why: Occam's Razor says, because love sex.

[–]AnotherLostCause 17 points18 points  (2 children)

This is because the welfare state has made what men have to offer worthless. Dont want to support the tramp down the street... no problem sugar daddy gov will put a gun to your head and make you support her. Great short term plan but it encourages men to be less productive. Eventually that hits a tipping point.

[–]SgtBrutalisk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Jessica Valenti asked on Twitter if there was any chance the government could provide women with free menstrual pads and tampons. Because handouts make them empowered (?). The responses she got were hilarious.

[–]bustanutmeow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please tell me you have a couple of screencaps for the funnier ones

[–]SplashArtist 11 points12 points  (4 children)

All those dudes were probably willingly volunteering as an emotional tampon in hopes of the all mighty vagina. All hail queen Vajayjay.

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[–]SplashArtist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm going to fuck an escort tomorrow who's a 10. First time using an escort so it'll be interesting. All girls are prostitutes essentially anyways. Guys just pay their way in dates/gifts instead (and might not get laid at the end of it). Escorts are just a shortcut. Excited for tomorrow!

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[–]SplashArtist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A prostitute. Look on backpage.com

[–]SoldierGenerale 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That's fine though, that's like you breaking up with a 9 and then getting messaged by 50 fatties.

The validation is nice but since it's coming from fatties you don't even consider it as actual options.

I love bluepill faggots they make my girl realise how lucky she is to date me and how scarce the landscape really is.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is where having a huge social circle can backfire. It becomes a hell when it turns against you. Nobody has more of an ability to turn your social circle against you than a girl you're trying to have a monogamous relationship with. Staying partially isolated is preferred in my experience. At least when it comes to friends you hang out with alone.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Let us not forget the hordes of simps who will happily take your place at the first moment's notice.

True, but you should be the alpha, while they are beta.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 109 points110 points  (4 children)

What's funny is that all their lives women are told they are amazing. Then they start believing their amazing so they don't put in effort and end up shit.

Meanwhile men are told they are shit. They start feeling like shit so they spend their twenties becoming amazing.

When women see evidence of men being amazing it challenges their self worth. Amazing men anger women because they are proof that women arnt really amazing.

[–]1xwm 38 points39 points  (3 children)

Meanwhile men are told they are shit. They start feeling like shit so they spend their twenties becoming amazing

I think you are being a little over-optimistic here. Most guys I see are told that men are shit and evil, start feeling like shit, and downward spiral into becoming shit or completely unmotivated to do anything. This was me for years until finding trp. This is a lot of guys I know from high school. Yes, I have started becoming awesome, and yes I am in my late twenties, but many of the other guys I know are still shit living with their parents, guzzling down hot pockets and cheetos, while playing video games and watching porn have become their only hobbies. The poor fuckers have just been beaten down so much.

[–]Endorsed ContributorDoxasticPoo 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Not all men will climb out of the gutter into which we were thrown.

But those who do will accomplish and be much more than the vast majority of women. It's that very climb out that makes it possible for us to climb higher.

Lead by example. Hopefully your friends will see, understand and follow. If not, leave them behind.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree. Men are told they're shit and then they just start to eat it. TRP is the Pepto Bismol you always thought was snake oil.

Everything else GLO is spot on.

[–]ChairBorneMGTOW 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Feminism told boys that they're evil. So they believed her and learned to act accordingly.

But even for the few who DON'T believe it, they're incentivized to act that way regardless. If women are going to treat me like a villain, I'm going to act villainous. Because ya might as well get some villainy in if you're gonna get the harsh sentence anyways.

[–]AlphaAccountant 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Women act as though their pussy is made of gold and if you think that you're even going to ever fuck it you better be worthy cause it'll give you superpowers.

Want to be treated like a princess? Start by treating me like a fucking prince.

Edit: a word.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha this is an excellent correlation!

[–]projectself 148 points149 points  (12 children)

if you want love, unconditional love at that, get a chocolate lab puppy, name her a cute southern name like daisy or georgia. take her to the dog park often and get pussy as a side benefit.

...seriously, if you doubt this, put your girlfriend/wife in the trunk of your car. leave her there for an hour. then open it. do the same thing with your dog.. which one is happy to see you when you open the trunk?

[–]scholarly_pimp 46 points47 points  (0 children)

the trunk part made me laugh

[–]newls 29 points30 points  (4 children)

Seriously, as a man the only two creatures in the world who will ever love you unconditionally are your mother and your dog.

When a man loses his mother or his dog, it's a truly sad day.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Mom didn't really give a shit about me. I knew something was up when she called me three times in one day, usually I'd get a call once a year if I didn't travel home for some reason. She called three times, two days in a row, then died of a massive heart attack. I was her least liked kid, something I knew from the time my sister was born. I ceased to matter to anyone that day.

Now I have Siberian Huskies and a yellow lab husky mix.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Aren't Huskies the best? I have one, and while he's a handful, he's got the most personality out of any dog (or woman) I've met.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Except for the fur everywhere, the shitty recall, and the stubborn and constant dominance challenges, they are awesome.

[–]GraphThis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I could never put a dog in a trunk :(

[–]AlphaAccountant 12 points13 points  (2 children)

If my dog could suck my dick, cook and clean I'd be set.

[–]Philhelm 18 points19 points  (1 child)

One out of three ain't bad...

[–]SplashArtist 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Well if you didn't leave water in the trunk I would probably say both.

[–]SuperMeatBoi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or if you train your woman right.

[–]meet_me_at_high_noon 15 points16 points  (0 children)

So last night I come home and my son is full of energy. My gf is yelling at him like she tends to do bc she thinks he should sit quietly despite being a 3 year old boy. So I get an idea. Lets take him to the local mcdonalds where I can chase him around and he can be a boy. We eat dinner at home and then head out. I buy her and I ice cream cones and she looks at me with a disgusting look and says "I wanted in a bowl."

Here I am, coming up with something for us to do rather than sit at home, it requires her to do NOTHING bc shes not gunna play with him, I am, she gets to sit on her phone, and I buy us ice cream. And all she says is its not good enough.

Relationships will drain you boys. Women are fucked up.

[–]captainsciencepants 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Damn that shit hit home. As I guy who was recently engaged. Once that ring was on the mask of the unicorn came off. What was left was just undesirable.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

She was being what she thought you wanted, she was keeping the pretence up, once she thought she had snagged you - she stopped bothering. Luckily for you that's given you the opportunity to see who she really is and escape. If the veil hadn't of dropped until it had been physically lifted up at the wedding, you'd be fucked.

[–]captainsciencepants 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I started reading the red pill like a year ago but I think it has taken me to have that experience to fully swallow the pill.

[–]612magxl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same thing happened to me too. The ring went on the finger Dec 2012 and that chick who I loved, and loved to be around while dating, just disappeared. I'm just sad realizing I'm living with a chich who has no respect for her husband no matter how hard I try and make her happy. I'll start divorce proceedings before the summer though. Discovered TRP Dec 2014... Way too late.

[–]laere 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Man working retail I have had women passive aggressively tell me "Never have kids." while the two of theirs was screaming and shouting in their cart. Or, "Do you guys sell kids here/want to buy my kids?" for the same screaming shouting reasons. A lot of these girls too were around mid-twenties early 30's from what I could tell.

This goes to show women lack the knowledge to even raise the kids; I would go as far to say they didn't want to responsibility for them as well. It also is a passive aggressive implication that at any moment they would dump the kids on their ex, or some chump just to go out and have more "fun."

Fucking sickening.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 24 points25 points  (15 children)

There is truth to much of what you said. Perhaps though, the real message here is that TRP philosophy, to reach its fullest extent, has to be applied to both genders at some point. TRP concepts like self-improvement, self-mastery, a disdain for self-entitlement ... these are universal truths.

Clearly, AWALT though, right? I think we can all agree on the disappointment that is often the modern Western female. A product of the waves of liberating feminism, with no sense of accountability. Certainly TRP will never apply to them in the exact same way. But it does in its own way. A sort of reverse polarity is demanded. The yin and the yang, if you will. I believe some of the ladies are on the path to sorting this out over at /r/RedPillWomen. It will be interesting to watch how that develops in the coming years.

I don't believe the current situation is really tenable. Clearly something is fundamentally askew in the gender dynamics of our current society. And of course the MRA are deluded in thinking that such things can be fixed by legislating or protesting or what not (although admittedly some of the issues with family/divorce court really do need to be fixed) ... that's exactly what feminism did, exactly what got us into this mess. We've somehow lost part of ourselves.

No, what we need is a shift in the cultural mindset. A re-envisioning of individuality, a shift towards understanding that the freedom of the individual comes with a sense of self-accountability. Not to other people, or society, but yourself. Call it "breaking out of the blue pill mindset", if you want. This is what TRP means when we talk about self-improvement, being the best version of yourself. It is the unwritten contract with the self. We don't owe it to anyone else, it is not for or because of them, we owe it to ourselves.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (11 children)

I'm pretty sure the MRM only focuses on quantifiable or legal issues and leaves issues like this alone all together.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 6 points7 points  (10 children)

Yep, they do unfortunately, they see the problems of modern gender dynamics in a very constrained way. That is why MRA/MRM is not the way, even if they do raise some important issues. TRP is the way.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (9 children)

I don't understand why TRP is so anti-MRM. The MRM is about society and TRP is about the individual. They each have their place and they're each necessary for what they do. For all the times TRPers claim to hate society and what's become of it, you'd think they'd at least appreciate the men who try to fix it. There are plenty of people trying to make shit worse for us and halt our self improvement but none of those people are MRAs.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 13 points14 points  (0 children)

We don't necessarily hate them. We just disagree with their methodology. Many of us see it as ineffective.

But like I said in my original post, if they could get traction on some issues, like reforming family/divorce court, then more power to them. I don't think you would see anyone here complaining. It's just that from a TRP perspective, the issues run deeper than that.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I don't understand why TRP is so anti-MRM. The MRM is about society and TRP is about the individual.

I am not exactly anti-MRAs. They are completely right in their ambitions but wrong in their methods. Lead by example not by words.

Yesterday I was clever and wanted to change the world. Today I am wise and change myself. -Rumi

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am not exactly anti-MRAs. They are completely right in their ambitions but wrong in their methods. Lead by example not by words.

That's probably the best critique of them that I've heard.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I really don't think you've spent much time there. They don't discuss their personal lives at all. It's not like the MRM is a hug box of victim hood. It's not even like those MRAs focus on their own situation or like they're the ones facing the brunt of sexism. They just look at numbers, see which ones aren't equal, and try to raise awareness about it.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 1 point2 points  (3 children)

That's the thing. The MRA's are mostly just feminists who think that we aren't doing enough equality to make feminism work. Rather then see feminism through the red pill, where we see that it's a false ideology based on faith and actively ignored facts, they embrace the faith and try to get us to just do more equality.

It's never going to work.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly. MRAs are too into the equality nonsense. They are usually very soft and weak and actually indulge women in conversation. It is a waste of time. You don't talk to a kid about alimony, male suicide rates, which to an extent are because of life being made hell for them by the system. The kid can't make it's own decisions and will ask somebody it looks up to for inputs. It simply is futile. The way forward is TRP. Nothing else will work.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I disagree. I actually think feminism and TRP are the true counterparts, not feminism and MRAs. Both feminism and TRP are the empowerment of one gender through methods of psychoanalysis, sharing stories/studies that support their viewpoint, and forming narratives. The key difference that makes TRP better is that TRP is about self determination and feminism is about getting society to do it for you.

MRAs don't do any of that. They just look at numbers and try to make them equal. They're certainly not "just trying to make feminism work". Half their sub is anti-feminism and they get thrilled when feminist numbers go down, as evidenced by their comments on the Vox poll yesterday. We have an Men's Rights flair here. When that flair shows up, do we all quit and act like victims? No. They're discourse isn't all that different than what we do on that flair.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're out of your mind. Both Feminism and TRP and the empowerment of one gender and thus are counterparts in that sense but they do not use the same methods. One of them is not reality based, if it was the other wouldn't exist. One of them is a political propaganda tool often used to create smoke screens and divisions. Do you want to guess which one.

[–]csehszlovakze 3 points4 points  (0 children)

MGTOW will change society far before MRAs could even start the change.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Perhaps though, the real message here is that TRP philosophy, to reach its fullest extent, has to be applied to both genders at some point.

Both genders cannot win the sex war. To fully maximise the benefits for one gender, the other must concede theirs.

Ideal woman: fuck a bunch of alphas, collect beta bucks, fuck another alpha occasionally. Freedom and security, AF and BB.

Ideal man: one or more long term low-N-count girls, with a load of randoms on the side.

This clearly cannot be realiseable for the majority of both men and women.

Women are close to realising their best interests at the level of their feelings (AF then BB, so long as they figure out how to manage the duplicity fast enough). This sucks for most men (AF = minority. BB = poor deal with bitter high-N-count entitled woman later in life). Genetically it's good for the BB lineage (contraception is removing the genetic heritage of a lot of AF more than BB). So long as he gets his children tested.

For men to realise their best interests at the level of feelings.... I don't know how. I don't see how the majority of us can have lots of short term sex with random partners while also having a committed relationship. There are just not enough women for this to be feasible. It would require women to be both more sexually available (for the short term stuff) and more exclusive for the long term stuff. This is clearly not possible.

However... for the aspiring alpha... if you work hard on yourself, if you get into the top 5% or look like you're close, or you figure out a cheat code.... a minority of men certainly can have it all. I damned well intend to.

But the weakness in TRP as a movement... is that there is no viable end goal for the majority of men. Conversely... some realism about the nature of women would decrease the one-sided investment men are prepared to make in their lies.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The AF/BB dynamic only works for women as long as most men stay plugged in. But as TRP spreads, it actually becomes their Achilles heel. We game it, and refuse to play BB when they hit the wall. If enough men swallow the pill, it's a losing proposition for women. Why do you think they react so negatively to TRP? If we were just a bunch of blowhards they wouldn't care. No, they sense the truth. And they feel threatened by it.

Go read some of the theory stuff over on /r/RedPillWomen/. Especially the stuff about the captain/first-mate dynamic. Women can unplug just as well as men can, though in a different way. They are just not typically encouraged to do so by modern day feminist dogma.

[–]flexiblehold 29 points30 points  (3 children)

A part of the pill whose effects are lagging in me, the aspect of the red pill I've swallowed but not digested: that women stripped of their pussies, by and large, are boring and lame.

I realized this last night when my friend, a 9 on the SMP, a successful, talented bamf, had to deal with his HB8 SO, a stunning Marilyn Monroe looking busty blonde gal, who was acting like an insufferable child. I thought to myself, "Self, this bitch is a total drag even though she'd be fun to slam." She was manipulative, whiny, annoying, and lacking anything of interest to add to our group conversations. He handled her like a boss, but it gave me that depressing ugh when I observed her through an honest lens.

[–]OilyB 24 points25 points  (2 children)

"women stripped of their pussies, by and large, are boring and lame"

Wow, taking notes. Totally true.

[–]BowlOfCandy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's truly a powerful RP perspective that is to be used for two critical reasons:

  • A filter to gauge LTR potential
  • The foundation for which to maintain frame when dealing with female bullshit.

This is what BP men lack, they are blinded by hypergamy and their shallow lust. They excuse women's shitty behavior and fall prey to guilt/shame tactics.

With this RP perspective you can remain stoic in your journey, because you understand what really matters. It is a compliment to abundance mentality.

When dealing with women you are interested in sleeping with, constantly ask yourself: :"What is this person like if I take away their sexual potential?" It just breeds abundance mentality.

[–]ZackCross 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I've stated this fact multiple times and I'm sure some of you agree; If a woman is good for nothing but sex, she is not a suitable LTR.
I prefer the company of my guy friends MUCH more than spending (non sex) time with any woman. If only I could find young beautiful women to fuck and then immediately pretend they didn't exist until I was horny again. We need to make this a societal norm

[–]UlyssesElias 7 points8 points  (2 children)

It is a societal norm. It's called hookers dude and its been a societal norm for millennia. You should try it if you haven't already.

[–]JimProfitLeninist 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Well perhaps what he means is a way to have sex with women that DOESN'T involve throwing money at them.

[–]HahahahaWaitWhat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

On the other hand, money is worth a lot less than time.

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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't project what you want on a girl just because she checks your 'hot chick' requirement - just watch how she acts and you should be able to tell pretty quickly.

Oh most definitely, you have to get an adequate read on the girl. Psychoanalysis comes quite automatically to me, so that isn't something I personally struggle with.

[–]redzorp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Spot on. Excellent post.

That's why I love this sub. Stuff like this has been inside my head for more than 20 years, yet I could never quite articulate it and was always surrounded by an ocean of blue. It's just great to know that there are at least 100,000 other men out there with their eyes wide open and who have the talent to write it all down to boot.

[–]redsfan277 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Long time lurker first time poster here...i couldnt have said it better myself!

I fucking got a story for you guys to tell...about 2 different women but it all the same, one was from europe and one was american.

I will try to keep it simply but will try and avoid any incriminating details.

I have a couchsurfing account and i received a message, out of the blue, from a girl. She asked if i was free and that we should hangout. I wasnt free but being a horn dog that i am and also wth a girl never initiates these things she must be into me - is what i think i proceeded to be agreeable and hangout with her.

Anyway the end result was that i drove her up and down all fucking day, she never once thanked me for driving her (so fucking ungrateful) but its cool because she paid for herself. I think she believed she was being independent by it? bc she let me know 'ill pay for my own thanks' like she was doing ME the favor. She had the nerve to complain about me switching the radio station -.- totally not worth it.

Second girl was an old friend, visiting town, asked me if i had the day off and we should catch up. Acted interested via messages, very friendly beforehand, totally could be taken as flirting (but dont fall for it because its the same bullshit excuse that 'no i wasnt flirting i was just being friendly'). Anyway same shit different girl, drove her nearly all day, we were in close proximity a couple times and she was just standing in front of me so i tried to go for a friendly arm grab, nothing creepy just put my hand on her arm to see if she would react nicely with my move.... She slaps it off and tells me in a disgusting voice "please dont touch me"

These "women" know what they were doing full well. They try to act interested just so they can get what they want, and oh boy they get it...dont be like me guys and heed the warning. Its a lot more work for little reward...i honestly am thinking of traveling to a different country. Travel and meet women at other places, women are so shallow that they think you are important or cool just because you are from somewhere they have never been to and want to go...trust me.

Anyway good post i am not sure if it was the correct comment in regards to your post but i just felt that i had to share /endrant

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think all of us can relate, we've been through similar things in our beta ways.

First, we realize we're being used, and we get angry. But we still hang out with those girls thinking "hell, if I don't comply I'll lose the girl", like there is a chance of getting her.

Second, we have an epiphany when we realize that actually, there is no way we can actually get the girl this way. And even if we could, she's not worth it. She's just selfishly using us. That's when we really swallow the red pill.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So, just so I understand, they were both using you for a ride around town? I thought couchsurfing was a place for people to spend the night while traveling?

[–]redsfan277 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She asked for a couch also but i was unable to host her.

Yup pretty much, they were here and wanted to do things and i figure other people said no to them or whatever and i was the sucker who said yes

[–]foldpak111 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You're literally the most informative and calibrated member of this sub. I get an adrenal spike when I see you've posted something.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're so bitter! No babe, I've become a realist... I'm reading my own experiences in this post. Here's the good news. If you're Machiavellian, you already know that you can influence loyalty, and camaraderie with any woman, but it has to be done indirectly and over a longish period of time. Most women aren't worth it because they want to ride the CC first and can't be convinced that it's bad for them. They always come back used up and begging. Its a terrible world we live in. Too many choices for any woman to handle. Coupled with the inability to reflect on themselves, women are on a path of self destruction. I don't have a perfect answer except find them young and impressionable, then raise her to be self aware. Even if you don't keep her, make her self aware. Future husbands will thank you.

[–]batfish55 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wanna know what a woman's maturity brings?

"Damn, I wish I'd have stayed with that rich executive I fucked for a few weeks instead of getting shitfaced at that concert and fucking the drummer."

[–]OilyB 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"I don't find career women attractive. I find family oriented women attractive."

I concur, a mainly career driven woman is only half female to me, the family oriented woman feels much warmer.

"Deal with her whining/being menstrual/insecure"

Only yesterday I was having an argument with a plate over some misbehaving and guilt induction she tried last week. She said, "just tell me 'Honey, calm down, don't worry so much'". And I said 'I can do that, when I love someone. Until then, either you show me you own your emotional management or I'm off having fun with someone else. Can you handle this? Or I can let go of my emotional management and start bitching at you whenever my feelz start playing up and then demand that you calm me down?' - 'Okay, I'll manage my moods and no, I'd be quite taken aback if you'd suddenly start blaming me for stuff out of the blue...'

Case closed.

[–]Spiral-knight 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Amid the anger there is a valid, if often repeated point to be found here

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

No anger phase here, but I do like to use anger to convey points and hit the nail hard, it's a good tool and men can relate to it - which is what matters.

[–]Moszne 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Most women have absolutely no personality that makes them worth commitment"

This is fucking gold!

Women are overrated. All this trying, talking, listening just to fuck her. And even when you fucking her you MUST make sure that she will get orgasm and enjoy it.

Fuck it. I rather get money, get huge, get fuck load of knowledge and make them chase me.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fuck it. I rather get money, get huge, get fuck load of knowledge and make them chase me.

The build it (in this case, yourself) and they will come strategy. I like it.


[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't leave out that 99% of women these days are sluts/ have had plenty of cock in them. How can such a lack of self control be a part of a good mother? How can she teach the kid about commitment when she has not kept her virginity/ has ridden the cock carousel? Also why should I commit to a non low count / non virginal woman if she is more likely to break up and initiate divorce than the virginal/ one/two count woman (as shown in that statistical study so often displayed around here)?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

women put career/individuality above family.

Hahaha. This is like dating another man vomits. Whatever happened to polarity and feminine grace.

[–]SplashArtist 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I've met a lot of absolutely wonderful old ladies. They are adorable. EDIT: Yes this is sarcasm..

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well, my grandma is a really nice old lady, so hold your sarcasm!

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Old ladies scare me.

[–]BowlOfCandy 5 points6 points  (2 children)

In light of this I don't LTR up girls with any depth. What I mean is, I don't expect it to last, and I seem invested, but really I'm not. I pretend to care, but I don't give a fuck. They're all research and practice to me. I'm not actually "in love" she hasn't "got me" she has me spending time on her (which is what she wants - commitment) but I don't form the emotional attachment because they lack the qualities necessary for me to want to even attempt caring about them. When you LTR an unworthy woman, you either treat her like a practice bitch or you get taken for a ride and come out of it significantly worse.

You put into words exactly how I feel in my current LTR, and she's my first LTR since i took the pill. She's my experimental TRP guinea pig, a subject to test RP theory and practice my awareness. She is not worthy, but damn she's hot. I'm not evasive, I don't care about the shame and the guilt tactics, I get what a want and do what I want.

But boy I do miss the conquest.

[–]Tom_The_Human 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I remember someone on this sub once saying that you have to make your own unicorn. This is what I did and am doing with my LTR; I enjoyed her company already, but am improving her.

[–]BowlOfCandy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes! My LTR is many magnitudes a better person (relationship-wise) than when we first met. Improved integrity, gratitude, generosity, to name a few. I feel bad for the next guy, she'll be an alpha widow (though I'm pretty sure she already was entering the relationship with me).

[–]87GNX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't see why you commit to a woman for commitment's sake.

You either want kids and a family or you don't. If you don't then spin plates for the rest of your life, see a whore every now and then, what have you. If you do then you sort of need women because that's where kids come from. In which case you find the least bitchiest girl that passes the boner test and game the shit out of her.

[–]topredhat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Woman that aren't mother/wife material always have fat kids. Its like they feed em take away everyday.

[–]SuperSpicyBasil 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If you want commitment you need to travel to find a decent woman.

If you can't afford to travel you're too young/not stable enough to be thinking about commitment yet. Easy as that.

[–]kalstate 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Comment got my attention...can you elaborate?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

excellent post dude. I am subbing to your blog for sure


[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This post is so accurate it hurts. But the way its written, it seems overly aggressive which may turn off some people (not me) but i feel that some may immediately turn away due to the aggressive nature of the writing (swearing). You can still be a man, hold frame, and practice TRP but it doesnt need swearing and the attitude this is written in. Very open to advice as this is my first time commenting but I have been a member for quite a while.

edit: Clearly we lead by example not written word - but the message comes across better without all of the high school level swearing and anger.

[–]domoli 1 point2 points  (0 children)

clearly written and reminiscent of Patrice as always...good read

[–]slimcoat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reading this reminds me that swallowing the pill is an everyday effort. I go through all the stages again, although much more quickly. I feel depressed right now, I'll be angry in five minutes, and then I'll be over it within 20.

[–]redpillthrower 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you not show vulnerability without showing the weakness that goes along with it. For example you can say you go to a therapist for reason x, but she doesn't ever need to actually see that side of you.

[–]Loopholeinwhiskey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

.1% is way too low an assumption in my opinion.

more like 5-10%.

This post is far too negative and cynical.

it almost avoids the nature of Women is that they love sex, thanks to religion/social programming, sexuality was repressed and still slut shaming is done to this day - but that is the reality of it all. for me, as long as they aren't stupid/uncaring with their mate selection then they are still potential relationship/mother material.

For example, most women do serial monogamy. And some girls who are more reserved, could get to a number like 6/7 quite easily over 10 years of failed relationships.

Just accept that a lot of girls are sluts. and have fun with them/don't take them seriously. And hope that when you meet a girl who's more on the lower end of the scale. because it is a scale - you want to commit.

[–]hamstercide -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Why most of today's women aren't worthy of your commitment.

They've had sex. That really says it all. A defiled woman is a worthless woman.

[–]SilentForTooLong 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Enjoy being forever alone then...

[–]hamstercide -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Enjoy being with a used whore.

[–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are all used whores. The only difference is that you are willfully deluding yourself.

[–]eaglespeed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I totally agree with , it's a very unpopular opinion nowadays cuz of the allowed and praised promiscuity and sexual freedom nowadays, I personally would never Marry a women who has been deflowered by another man, let alone if she was riding the cock parade, most of our issues as men comes from this dealing with a psychologicaly scared women who have been having sex with alot of guys, a women 1st is unforgettable, and a women is happiest in her 1st love, the least experienced she is the easier for a man to mold her into the unicorn he want. Anyway I commend u for sharing ur opinion in an age where being promiscuous is the norm.

[–]iloveshitposting -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

Serious question. How many relationships have you been in OP?

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Enough. There are very few women in the world who could get me to commit on a serious level, although I know they're out there, I'm not exactly dedicating my life to find them. If it happens it happens, if not, I don't care.

[–]FaustoRMD -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Women and men, we are suffering for out shitty bodies and the new age sexuality promoted by the media. We need to heal ourselves, psychology and physiology. Take perspective about the shitty future our sons are going to confront and rebuild this mess.