The Friendzone is an Insult (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1Dark-Ulfberht

The long and short of this post is to bitch-smack the shit out of anyone who seems to be unable to escape the friendzone. Here's the truth of the matter: if a girl puts you in the friendzone, she is insulting you.

To explain, let me provide you with a personal story. This is the story of how yours truly became, almost overnight, one of the reddest motherfuckers on the planet. And I did it long before that term was used in its current incarnation.

It began because I got friend-zoned. It was the first and last time it ever happened.

The woman who did it was someone I'd known for a long time. I grew up very poor, but escaped my situation. Because of the fact that I lived in a trailer growing up, I considered this chick out of my league while I was in school.

Fast forward to my senior year at a very prestigious university. I had become attractive, athletic and successful. Now, I was worthy. So, I invited her to a huge social event, and decided I'd lay it all out. After the event, I told her that I'd had harbored a massive crush on her for years and wanted to date her.

She said: "I want to be friends."

Now, I had been writing a long paper on evolutionary ethics at the time, and this was fortuitous. My work had taught me, long before TRP or even its precursor material (e.g. "Models") had come out, the nature of masculine-feminine interaction.

So, while the immediate reaction was disappointment and sadness, I didn't stay there long. Literally, within seconds my thoughts turned to my work and everything made sense. I knew that women sought the best mates they could get.

Because of that, I knew that this woman was telling me, in a very kind way: "I know you; I've had a good look and I think I can do better."

My sadness immediately turned to anger. And so I said something that would have been unfathomable years before: "I'm not interested in being friends."

And I left her. I didn't speak to her for a decade, and then only in a random encounter.

I pondered the decision for weeks, and asked myself the common questions. Am I a bad person? Should I apologize.


Why should I ever spend anymore time making decisions to appease someone who thinks that she is superior to me? Were she not an attractive woman, would I ever consider doing this? Of course not.

Gentlemen, women are designed to get the best they can. If they put you in the friendzone, they are telling you that they think they can do better. It's really that simple.

If that doesn't insult the fuck out of you, then I don't know what to tell you.

[–][deleted] 47 points47 points

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Holy shit. This is amazing. I needed this.

[–]SoldierGenerale 300 points301 points  (48 children)

Being too friendly is the easiest way to get placed in the friend-zone. If you're an asshole she'll either hate you or fuck you. Either way you know exactly where you stand. In some cases she'll hate you and still fuck you.

[–]brokenshelf 89 points90 points  (7 children)

The ol' hate-fuck. Gotta love it.

[–]HeinousFu_kery 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I prefer the fuck-hate. Makes getting them to leave so much easier.

[–]Bilskirnir_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Listening to "Thin line between love and hate," iron maiden, other day. Soo very true.

edit: 'added artist'

[–]icecow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

More like a thin line between hate and fuck.

[–]DrinksCrystalKush 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Marilyn Manson made a song about that.

[–]JohnIIISobieski 2 points2 points [recovered]

I like him, what's the title?

[–]motorsizzle 13 points14 points  (6 children)

I remember watching my friend insult this girl all night, calling her sleazy, etc. Eventually she jumped him, and I remember that as the moment I realized I knew nothing about women.

[–]SoldierGenerale 16 points17 points  (5 children)

I met this gorgeous blonde 5th year med-student chick that was easily the hottest girl in the city that night (we'd literally been to every bar that night). After being a friendly cool guy we hit it off for a bit but she wouldn't kiss me. There was something out-of-place and I couldn't quite put my finger on it.

It wasn't till the booze kicked in and I lost my temper that she jumped all over me, she was literally demanding me to kiss her. I started calling her a dumb slut and that she was a piece of shit and not worthy of my attention. I held a fucking monologue on why I was so much better than her. Even surprising to me it worked.

I had never seen a girl switch from not interested to super-horny that fast. There was nothing playful in how I started insulting her yet she didn't care either way.

I now get why assholes get laid.

[–]motorsizzle 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Weren't you just sitting there, thinking, "..wtf..."

[–]SoldierGenerale 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I was genuinely just pissed off at her for thinking she could do better. Only afterwards did I realise what happened.

Me thinking I'm better than her, made her think I'm better than her.

Also, sluts be sluts man. Can't bother to delve into their slutty-psyche to figure out why they act this way. Just know that they do and use it to your advantage.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Me thinking I'm better than her, made her think I'm better than her.

Once you have the basics down, this becomes the crux of game.

[–]SoldierGenerale 1 point2 points  (1 child)

No, not at all.

When dealing with a 10/10 model girl that studies medicine, is in great shape and runs her own business. You are not gonna get by with just the basics.

Standing in front of a genuine dime is gonna increase your heart rate no matter how much you brainwash yourself.

It takes actually fucking these girls before you can convince yourself that you're on their level.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is the crux for me. Whether I know I am better than her or I don't, it will show either way and determine whether I sink or swim.

[–]chuckthundercock 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Fuck / Hate are the same strong emotions that women crave. Telling her you want to be her beta is BOORING. Truth is, its not her fault. Its your fault for your approach. Insert game into this same situation instead of a heartfelt confession and you would have been banging her that same night. I'm glad you learned your lesson. I learned that lesson LONG ago. Don't blame her, blame yourself.

I look at any rejection as a miscalculation on my part, learn, and recalibrate.

[–]mister_barfly75 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I look at any rejection as a miscalculation on my part, learn, and recalibrate.

Thank you. THIS is the real TRP shit right here. I'm sick of hearing blue pillers and SJWs decrying us as neckbeard virgins who hate women and blah blah blah but that sentence right there sums it up for me. Own your shit. If things go wrong, it's so easy to cry about how life has gotten you down and society is out to get you. Fuck that noise. Things are fucked up? That means that you fucked up. Now, how are you going to fix yourself and fix it?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This is extremely true.

Hate or fuck. Can't have both and they might combine to become the greatest experience of your life.

[–]FrankWG 7 points7 points [recovered]

That's what happens to me, like all the time.
I really, really try to be friendly, but no. I'm an asshole, through and through.

And holy fuck, do chicks respond to that. My ex busted my balls for years on me being an asshole to her friends, I tell you now: she was jealous.

Also, one thing I noticed: the ugliest the chick, the easiest it is she'll hate me instead of wanting to fuck me. Or maybe it's fox and grapes. Or maybe I'm really an asshole to them. Dunno.
Either way, one more reason to be an asshole.

[–]md619 25 points26 points  (7 children)

the ugliest the chick, the easiest it is she'll hate me instead of wanting to fuck me. Or maybe it's fox and grapes. Or maybe I'm really an asshole to them. Dunno.

This is definitely a thing.

The uglier the girl, usually the more potential for asshole game to be too much push and not enough pull.

Hot girls have betas throwing themselves at her left and right. So what happens is that asshole game immediately sets you apart from being "just another chump". She KNOWS you're still interested in her sexually since she's hot, but still, there's something different about you...

Ugly girls tend not to live in that same reality. They don't receive that much attention, so too much asshole game can easily come off as just pure disinterest instead of aloofness in their mind. A guy who actually is nicer to them is a welcomed surprised if he's high enough value.

Obviously this isn't always true. As we delve more into feminist "everyone is beautiful" thinking, it seems like uglier girls are becoming more and more delusional about their worth. Still, it's a pattern I've found to be pretty consistent.

[–]1whatsazipper 17 points18 points  (2 children)

You can always dial back behavior. It's far more difficult to recover from aiming too nice, kind, or friendly.

[–]mryddlin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Uggos can see our shit for what it is, they do not get the read carpet rolled out ever so the moment an alpha goes after then like a hot chick they instantly know it's a dog fuck situation (ie your throwing her a bone).

This is the core of the angry feminist recruiting grounds, the one that watch the pretty girls get attention and how but cannot join the game themselves.

[–]SoldierGenerale 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Being an asshole works only on the hottest girls.

The insecure ugly girls hate assholes because they want a guy to be nice to them. The hot girl has guys nice to them all the time and craves the asshole that puts her in her place.

It also helps that they're not as insecure as the ugly girl and can handle a joke much better.

Asshole game = for hot girls.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children)

What do you consider being an asshole? Examples?

[–]FrankWG 16 points16 points [recovered]

It's not something I do on purpose. Poke people where it hurts, I suppose.

Basically, all the things on which you think "this is something not to be talked about". Stare at fatties when they eat. To a very tall and stupid chick I asked whether she was so dumb because she was missing oxygen due to the height.

I'm mean spirited in my humor, but I do it to amuse myself, never to hurt.
Usually you either love me or hate me.

[–]Midnight_in_Seattle 3 points4 points  (2 children)

It's not something I do on purpose. Poke people where it hurts, I suppose.

If the OP wants examples, get a Tucker Max book. They're encyclopedias of poking people where it hurts.

[–]arpex 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I read tucker max's first book pre trp and it was funny as fuck - is he a good role model for our purposes?

[–]HerculestheRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not generally considered to be now. He sold out to appease women. Lost a lot of the edge. He launched a "totally not a manosphere/Cernovich/Roosh copypasta" site, matinggrounds or something.

I forget the exact basics of it, since it was awhile ago and I'm not big on gossiping or treating our little clubhouse like an "us vs them" against other corners of the manosphere, but the idea is that he used to embody what we wanted, then he sold out and is a bit watered down.

If you enjoyed his books for a laugh, sure. Just don't go swallowing any gospel or anything he's shit out in the past year or two. He's watered down the message because $$$

[–]Jswiizle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I walked into this girls party, and greeted her by saying "nobody told me that you were invited" and she called me an asshole and proceeded to flirt with me for the rest of the night

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The next time you find yourself thinking "what an asshole" about someone, there is your example. You will have plenty don't worry.

Here's one, not holding a door open for a girl.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Here's one, not holding a door open for a girl.

Being an asshole is half opening it so she starts to walk into it. Or opening it and then closing it just as she starts to walk through. Or opening it, and then barging in front of her to get through first. All are hilarious, but be careful you don't actually hurt her. Whatever happens, laugh about it.

Girls who like you love this shit. Girls who see you as BB will hate it.

[–]Bonnerso 1 point2 points  (2 children)

My ex busted my balls for years on me being an asshole to her friends, I tell you now: she was jealous.

What do you mean?? Are you saying, While you were dating your ex, you would be mean to her friends, and instead of being mad at you for being mean to her friends, she actually got jealous of the mean attention you gave them (wishing she was the one that you were being mean to)??

[–]ObsidianOne 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think she implied he was flirting with them and it made her respond jealously.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do I be an asshole? I'm not very good at it, and I get treated like dog shit. :(

[–]mryddlin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Timing your 'nice' things is extremely important, do it too often and it becomes expected of you (re: important for work too).

This is a hard one for me to remember to only do when it maximizes my return. The best I've found is tit-tit-tit-tat , where tat is me doing something in return.

General random flowers or treat , maybe a dinner I make but not often and make sure its paid for before you give it out.

[–]TRPtophan 119 points119 points [recovered]

You are correct, the friendzone is an insult, but it is also a shit test. Standard procedure is to agree & amplify.

Her: I want to be friends.

You: Okay, let's fuck and be friends afterward.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

The friend zone can indeed become the Fuck Zone these days.

"I'm not ready for a relationship."

"Who said anything about a relationship?"


It's almost too easy.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 40 points41 points  (16 children)

Well, I didn'the have a fully-developed skillet at the time. That took some trial and error.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 68 points69 points  (13 children)

fully-developed skillet

Cast iron is the best for bitch compliance.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (11 children)

Too many women these days have no idea how to use cast iron. I had an ex who put the fucking thing in the dishwasher.

[–]solbrothers 15 points16 points  (0 children)

And that's why she is your ex.

[–][deleted] 6 points6 points

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Take care of it, and it will last your kids a lifetime too

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh wow. That suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

[–]Chaohinon 0 points1 point  (5 children)

not hard to reseason. I'm a chef and we have to wash all out cast iron, as much as it makes my heart hurt. Half the dishwasher's job is just reseasoning those things.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yeah I mean...it wasn't a big deal. Just one of those things I thought that everyone knew. Just a sign of the times, is all. Plenty of young men don't know how to use cast iron either.

[–]Kingoffistycuffs 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Could you do a run down then? The only reason I can think of would be rust, but I know next to nothing about cast iron cook wear.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Rust is exactly the issue. It's a simple fix though. Just scour it really well (steel wool, elbow grease, maybe some mild soap and water) then immediately dry it thoroughly. Then coat the whole thing, even the handle, in a small amount of vegetable or cooking oil. At this step, it's really preference what you want to use to 'season' the pan. Then you bake it in your oven.

It's really simple, and small amounts of rust aren't a problem. Just clean and reseason.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here is what I do, for those interested. After using a cast iron skillet, use hot water to clean it. If it's dirty, I'll use coarse salt, dump some in there from your box of kosher salt, and scrub it clean, using a rag with the salt. Rinse out, and put on stove on low to evaporate out any leftover water. Finally, use a paper towel and some vegetable oil to coat it.

You can use soap, but you really shouldn't, it will rust faster if you aren't careful re-oiling it. I have used soap, but very very rarely.

[–]1independentmale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My understanding is that you aren't supposed to use steel wool on cast iron.

[–]robb911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And here I thought copper got the best reviews

[–]TRPtophan 39 points39 points [recovered]

If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This wasn't an example of friendzoning. The friendzone is characterized by an extended period of orbiting with pussy deprivation. She just blew you off, probably because she thought the "I've been crushing on you" approach was weak.

[–]REE93 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The friendzone is like getting your dick kicked in.

You can pull it back out like a man or accept it and be a vagina.

[–]AnotherLostCause 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It wouldnt be so bad if they actually wanted to be friends, but they dont. What they are really saying is I want to abuse your good nature while I fuck someone else. My all time favorite reply was "I have enough friends." Sadly I didnt coin that phrase.

[–][deleted] 80 points81 points  (9 children)

Fuck the friend zone. It's the same thing if a girl told you "fuck off loser I want a real man" only nicer.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (5 children)

The biggest problem is that we somehow refuse to believe that saying "I don't want to be friends" is the solution. It took me so many years to get to the point where I can clearly see how you get friendzoned. You need to go after what you want and tell the girl right away if she offers you something different. You want to bang her and she says "let's be friends" to you? Fuck that. State what you want and GTFO if she's not willing to give it to you. Don't waste time on uptight bitches.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (3 children)

It's weird. I was once honestly okay with being friends with girls that weren't interested in me. The problem was that they just made awful friends.

Then again most women are awful at friendship.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Accidentally waddled into the friend zone this last summer, I was ok with it because there was more fish in the sea, but she was a horrible friend. She stood me up and I haven't talked to her since.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Hey I tried that too.

I had an ex who I was "friends" with on the idea that It would help me get the interest of other girls when out clubbing, a form of social proof.

The only problem was anytime I got with a girl hotter then her she would freak out and try to prevent it, yeah great "friend"

[–]1independentmale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Similar, used to have a wing woman I'd go out with. She had no interest in me until I started hooking up with someone else, then she got jealous and tried to sabotage things. Not worth it.

Although damn that bitch was good for social proof. She'd find the hottest girls and bring them back to our table.

[–]goodbyewatch 12 points13 points  (1 child)

It's a girl not being attracted to you. Are you really going to get furious that not every single girl in the world wants you?

[–]Bonnerso 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I'm with you on this. There is too much butthurt ego and this defensiveness/feeling attacked/belittled/criticized.

I think people here need to be less reactive and emotional about getting the friend zone. You (in particular) do not do it for her at the moment, or possibly ever. Is something wrong with you? No! Then something must be wrong with that bitch? No! Why is it one or the other, polar antagonistic pessimistic options?

Either ignore the friend zone, or ignore her existence entirely. There should be no bad emotions involved. She isn't worth it.

[–]funquip 98 points99 points  (11 children)

Honestly, I'm not a white knight at all, furthest from it, but please consider the other situation. A girl you're not attracted to you, asking you to be in a relationship with her. I've been in that position many times (and they were truly unattractive.. and fat.. but good people). If she's letting you down gently, try not to take it personally. Just realize she could have let you down in a much worse way, and avoided doing so.

Yes, the part about her wanting the best, is her problem. I've been in that position too, and years later, the same bitch has gained weight and been dicked around, now wants to be with me. And I said "no". Yes, that "no" was somewhat satisfying, but I also felt sorry for her.

Do what you need to, but I don't think taking her "not wanting to be with you" as an insult. It wasn't personal. If you think it is personal, perhaps it is time to seek therapy.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Lol @ thinking she let you down gently just to be nice / because she cares. If she lets you down gently it's because she wants you as an orbiter.

If you're analysing something a woman did and you can't find the 'self interest' reason, you're not looking hard enough or your lens is the wrong colour. Try a red one.

[–]FinickyFizz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is completely true. I had quite a few girls hitting on me when I swallowed the pill, I simply didn't want anyone and as soon as the commitment phase of things started coming up, I would immediately leave sometimes when I knew things were going really really well, I would go so far as to sister zone them.

Truly happy times. However what OP said is again true. I've exhausted most girls in my social circle and people have started viewing me as the MGTOW that I really am. Anyways, the whole point being - depending on what you want in life, you can get it. Simply don't get friend zoned by someone who you like, on the contrary sister zone them (if you can).

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 7 points8 points  (7 children)

It's not personal.

It's just truth.

If a woman puts you in the friend zone, she thinks she can do better. Any self-respecting man should be insulted by this.

[–]funquip 46 points47 points  (1 child)

Any confident man would look past it. Hey, I personally don't have friendships with women I am attracted to. I just don't believe in the philosophy of letting someone have that kind of power over me, to insult me like that.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

In 99.9% of situations, you are right.

Hell, you often see me toss out the phrase, "there are billions of women and they make new ones every day; there is just one of me."

But, this was an instance of near-oneitis. This girl actually knew me pretty well. It takes discipline to cut ties in such circumstances.

All that said, it makes for a great story. That in and of itself is worth a little rejection

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 15 points16 points  (0 children)

If you aren't her alpha fucks plan... dont be her beta bucks retirement plan.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (7 children)

There's nothing more emasculating than a guy in the friendzone; and it is as much a social as a physical castration, a distinction based on the impossibility of sexual context between a man and a woman. A man in the friendzone desires what he can never have, and this is reflected in his entire image, and in doing so he relinquishes his masculinity. "Women have boyfriends and girlfriends. If you’re not fucking her, you’re her girlfriend."

I'd argue it is impossible for men and women to be friends, simply because women constantly misuse and abuse the term "friend." They would stab each other in the back and would surely stab us in the back for thirty pieces of silver. "Friend" is a term of special endearment that takes years of loyalty to establish, forged in the crucibles of authenticity and loyalty. No woman can ever be a true soldier. Women can be, at best, "acquaintances" or "associates," but never more, because the whole meaning of a "friend" is built on the back of civilisation. This is why pre-feminist, particularly Anglo culture was so authentic, because people were suspicious of outright "nice" behavior and loyalties ran deep (Middle East cultures are the same way). Modern culture is completely antithetical to the once-great Anglo culture. If our forefathers could see what constitutes a man today, I'm sure they would despair at this cesspool of bastardised masculinity where the feminised man is esteemed.

[–]1cover20 27 points28 points  (2 children)

There are 2 kinds of fz: the one where the man wants sex and the woman refuses, and the one where the woman would accept sex but the man does not offer it.

The first kind is no good, you'll never have a good female friend like that. Get out of her fz or get away from her. The second kind of fz is the one where your female friends will be assets to you, pleasurable to you, an ornament to your alpha frame.

[–]GIFtoGasm 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Great post. The second friend zone is underrated. A lot of guys on here forget about the importance of women wing men. They can serve great purpose if you allow it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, but then you are stuck looking at ugos. Men who were forced to look at ugly women had lower self-esteem. If you are suggesting that you would not provide sex to a girl you find attractive, especially when drunk, then I am calling BS.

[–]SilentForTooLong 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nietzsche said "men and women can be friends -- but there needs to be a bit of physical animosity between them."

I don't know though. Women have huge social advantages in today's society, it's worth having a few female friends in your life for a variety of non-sexual reasons I would say. I guess they would never be as close as your male friends, sure, but they're still useful to have.

[–]LeGrandDiableBlanc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A man in the friendzone desires what he can never have, and this is reflected in his entire image, and in doing so he relinquishes his masculinity.

This is the essence of it right here!

By putting yourself in a situation where you are assured not to get what you desire (due to the fact that you willfully put yourself in that position), you train yourself to believe that you are unworthy of the things that you desire! It's a script for low self esteem.

I will never put myself in a position where I am exerting effort but not getting any of my needs met (almost the definition of a toxic environment), because I genuinely feel that I am justified in ensuring that my needs are met.

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (34 children)

"After the event, I told her that I'd had harbored a massive crush on her for years and wanted to date her."

This is deep blue pill. Navy blue. Fucking Indigo.

After years of friendship with her, you probably felt more like a brother to her.

RP man just says, whatever, Next.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 33 points34 points  (32 children)

Yes. That was the kind of the point of the story, to discuss a key transformational event and pull out the lessons.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (30 children)

The reason could have been as simple as the 'brotherly feeling' and not that you wouldnt be a worthy partner.

You must have rejected a few females before, could be as simple as 'she didnt smell right' all the way to 'shes not not my type'. Insulting, but not a flat out insult as to theirvworthiness as a partner.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 13 points14 points  (29 children)

In terms of sex, I rejected girls because they weren't attractive active enough. I could do better, that night, and usually did.

In terms of an actual relationship, I rejected almost all comers, because I knew I could do better.

The whole "not my type" thing is a myth. Women and men size each other up and anewer the question: "Should I bang?" For women, if that answer is "yes" it means that the answer to "should I date" is also likely a yes. This isn't the case for men.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (28 children)

If this helps to know -

(and using RP terminology) - the Tingles shut off for me when guys come on 'bended knee'. They Shut Off. If I don't feel that there is some sort of challenge, some mystery as to how he feels about me, sexually or otherwise, I'm bored, I'm turned off, I'm gone.

Narcissistic men have Always had the greatest hold on me.

[–]SilentForTooLong 4 points5 points  (16 children)

Legitimately curious here. If a guy walks up to you and says hello, who does that not portray eagerness to get to know you?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (15 children)

It depends on how he says 'hi'. You know how you can tell when someone likes you, they might laugh a little harder at your jokes, their body language gives them away, things like that.

Eagerness can be communicated in a single puppy-dog glance. Im not saying that all girls can read men easily.

Ill throw this in - can you picture what James Bond would do in the situation? Do that. He's friendly but has a cool temperature around women, hes not jumping to anything they throw at him.

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[–]1RXRob 18 points19 points  (8 children)

"I've had a good look and I think I can do better"

That's the motivational line right there

[–]1cover20 9 points10 points  (7 children)

But he may have killed it just before by "laying it all out". Guys, don't do that.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Oh, I most certainly did.

Looking back, it's quite humorous and I'm glad this was before social media took off.

The point of the story is to look at a transformational event and distill important lessons--both good and bad.

[–]1RXRob 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The motivation is too avoid hearing that line

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 34 points35 points  (2 children)

A lot of times when a woman friendzones you she's saying "I've got better options right now, but I'll keep you around in case those don't work out."

Regardless, the proper thing to do when a girl tries to friendzone you is to next her.

[–]2Overkillengine 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Ah the old "dick in a case marked for emergency use only". It's funny how often women try to use that scenario to bargain their way to a higher tier male and eventually end up as a single mom.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

a single mom until a new beta bitch comes around

[–]1cover20 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Well done at the end.

The "laying it all out" was probably not helpful and perhaps harmful. Rather than telling a woman you would like to date her, isn't it smoother to suggest (not ask, almost tell) her where you can meet for that first date, not even use the word date?

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Oh, looking back I totally fucked things up.

I hadn't really honed my skill set yet.

I had the fundamentals down: be exceptional. And this alone goes a long way. I basically went from very low value to very high value over a short period of time. And, I got laid because of it. As such, I thought that was the end of the story.

It took a few more knocks to learn that real and assessed value are very different things, and that especially where women are concerned, the latter is matters.

[–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (1 child)

True. And the real skill is where you can get laid on her pussy's assessment even without "having the goods" her greedy mind wants. Or certainly not ever spending or providing significantly for her.

I never agreed with "be exceptional", that's giving too much to the woman. All you really need is a good 30 seconds to get her pussy sending her demands, and women are not some sort of truth-diviners.

Hey there's nothing wrong with being exceptional, and it's one way of making it easier to come across right for those 30 seconds. The fun is to be assessed higher than true value. This isn't what most people in this sub are making out to be "redpill" but it is consistent with what the mods say redpill is. Redpill is about sexual strategy.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'be always taken the "red pill" concept to be more broad. It is the choice to see things as they are, rather than as we want them to be. Seal strategy is but one component of that.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 20 points21 points  (2 children)

The blue pill approach you used where a guy will dump a boatload of trembling excited expectations on the girl, telling her he's been fantasizing about her and wanting to be worthy for years, was a big part of what predicated her response in the situation.

Smart money says if you instead acted like an aloof, cheery self-absorbed asshole, who never reveals his cards to her, she'd be quite intrigued and go for it herself, try to wrap you around her finger whether you want to go there or not. The same exact man with the same feature set, the only difference is how he makes "the offer", getting diametrically opposite results.

This of course takes nothing away from your hard-won insight on the friendzone, it's a tangential look at some of its causes.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh yes. It just took me a while to understand that real and perceived value are very different things, and when women are involved, the latter and not the former is what matters.

I had spent time rising from bottom to top, and had a number of successes at that time without learning skillful interaction. In my ignorance, I assumed women would assessment value accurately.

It took a while for me to learn that,. Unfortunately, I didn't figure that out with this particular interaction. I had to fuck up a few more times, first. There was no manosphere at the time. All was trial and error.

[–]motorsizzle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. If you had said nothing and just kissed her, she might have gone for it.

Good on you for telling her you weren't interested in being friends. Way to take back your power.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Is it really an insult though if it's true? She's telling you the truth (at least according to her) which is that she can most likely do better.

I can see in one sense that it may be insulting, but in general, it should make you motivated. I don't mean motivated to "win her" but motivated to improve your SMV in general.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Maybe it is; maybe it isn't.

What matters is that I don't waste time with people with whose interaction I gain nothing.

Her friendship simply did not benefit me, so why invest in it?

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sometimes you get friendzoned because she thinks she can do better than you. And sometimes you get friendzoned because she just isn't attracted to your personal style, not because you have low SMV or because you are in any way unattractive or unworthy.

Everyone has preferences. For example I have a beard. Full-on, metal, Viking beard down to my chest. Some women fucking love it and drop their panties almost with no effort on my part. Other women simply are not attracted to men with beards, even though they recognize my worth as a man, they're just not into that. It's not a reflection on my SMV at all.

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[–]foldpak111 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Never forget that she viewed you as subhuman and doesn't even remember you. Lift, study, work. You got this.

[–]2Overkillengine 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If they put you in the friendzone, they are telling you that they think they can do better. It's really that simple.

If that doesn't insult the fuck out of you, then I don't know what to tell you.

The insult isn't so much the content; it's the delivery and the intent.

She has determined that you are not good enough for her, but in a dishonest way that attempts to keep you around to provide Man Benefits without her providing Woman Benefits in return.

At least until she gets kicked off the carousel that is. Then she will have a mysterious change of heart. (More like she can't get commitment from a higher tier male and even the booty calls she did get from them are decreasing.)

So the moment a woman trots out the LJBF line, you should now know this is woman that you may as well decide does not exist- she will only try to use you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Friend Zoning is no more an insult than any other shit test women throw. The reports suggest that you can blow through a LJBF test by immediately and skillfully escalating.

The problem isn't that you let yourself get LJBF'd. The problem is you care if the girl insults you.

[–]TruckerJohn 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No dummy, being placed in the friendzone is what you deserve for having terrible game and a lack of confidence, or for trying to make a move on somebody who's clearly taken/not interested in you.

The best way to look at getting "friendzoned" is to realize it's always your fault. Look at women, there are two categories of them you have in your mind, women you'd fuck and women you wouldn't. Women have the same thing: Alphas and Betas. If you are sorted as a beta, then you are coming off as a beta and that's your own damn responsibility. The friendzone isn't an insult, it's a fucking wake-up call. You're not a victim. Stop encouraging victim mentality on this sub.

I never saw Briffault's law as unfair, either. If the standard for being desirable as a man is being the top 20% of men, that makes the game much harder, sure, but it makes the victory much sweeter. Rise to the occasion.

EDIT: Grammar/Spelling

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Friendzone = you're not good enough quality for her to have sex with and share a deep romantic connection with. You know, the stuff they write songs about? The stuff that makes life great? It is insulting. She's indirectly insulting your DNA, your personality - your very self as a being.

[–]Super-Saiyajin 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Nothing worse than some bitch insulting your DNA!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I know, that bitch better learn to beg for my seed like she was meant to!

[–]Super-Saiyajin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Millions of years of natural selection/evolution and this bitch has the audacity to question the value of my DNA? Is this real life?!?!

[–]cariboo_j 18 points19 points  (7 children)

My sadness immediately turned to anger.

It's only an insult if she tries to make you an orbiter and extract free shit.

Get a grip.

You actually sound like the angry neckbeard stereotype of TRP.

Some girl you had a crush on wasn't interested? Acting "Alpha" is a set of behaviours that most women find attractive. It's not some magic cheat code to drop every girls panties.
Maybe she's only into black dudes or some shit.

If you had true abundance mentality you wouldn't be so angry.


[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

This was quite some time ago.

Now, I just see things for what they are. There's no emotion in it. I recognize the scorpion'so nature and act accordingly.

But, my 20 year-old self had not really internalized these lessons. The result was anger, and there's nothing wrong with that. I imagine almost all men have been in a similar situation. What matters is how you deal with the emotion.

I didn't go on a rampage or even lose my cool. I just bailed, and by God, that's more than most people that age in a similar situation can muster.

[–]cariboo_j 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Fair enough. I just think it's a mistake to take "the friendzone" too personally.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It can be but the anger stage is necessary. He needed that motivation push him to the point where he is now, to discover the truth.

As the Terminator said, anger is more useful than sadness. If he'd just stayed sad and kept pining, he might not have gone anywhere.

I went through the same thing. Low self esteem due to my beta faggotry turned to sadness, sadness turned into anger and indignance, anger and indignance turned into motivated defiance, defiance turned into bettering myself, losing weight, running, lifting, and spinning plates.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have no friends who are girls for this very reason. Guy friends will always be better and less complicated. Either she is hot and put you in ho-check or she is not and then why are you talking to her? Being friends with a girl is like having most of the responsibilities of a girlfriend with none of the perks.

[–]Nazrath2112 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Final Form Alpha doesn't give two shits about being friendzoned. Alpha awaking comes when you get friendzoned when that is not what YOU wanted. Don't blame the chick for BP pre-awaking action, use the chick as data for Post awaking action.

[–]LUClEN 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Relationships are sort of transactional: one individual provides the other with something and vice versa. If a woman isn't interesting in being more than friends I wouldn't say it's an insult as much as simply disinterest.

Sell yourself elsewhere. No need to feel so bothered by it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Correct. It is more an unintended insult by the women and has nothing to do with arrogance or actively insulting. There is no reason to feel insulted by the women, more about yourself. The post has a very negative tone towards women.

[–]LUClEN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure if I see any negativity towards women.

There definitely appears to be a sort of outcome dependence that I disagree with, though. Too much value is placed on whether or not she likes him, which seems like a bad idea. Not only in the event that his investment doesn't yield the desired return, but also because of what he may be unknowingly communicating as a result of that outcome dependence.

[–]rattamahatta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Being insulted is a feeling. A woman shouldn't be in charge of your feelings, no other person should but you. Being friendzoned is a message, what you make out if it is your business alone. Take charge.

[–]kraaksmaak 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You reacted beta-ish, you let your anger overwhelm you. No woman can make you feel inferior without your goddamn consent which you gave.

I had a similar sittuation with a girl who I had a crush on in mid-school. She knew I was into her as we had a lot of mutual friends and at a party whilst talking together, she tried to bro-fist me. I now had three options: a) act like a pussy and bro-fist back b) leave her hangin and go raged mode and thus show my insecurity c) smile, leave her hangin and wait for her pussy to moist. I kept my cool and just laughed at her as you would laugh at a little girl acting silly. She was to become my first gf.

[–]morgansim 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Twice in my life a woman told me "I just want to be friends."

The first time was when I was 19 and I didn't very much about life. I said "yes" but I didn't work for me. I still wanted more of her and she used that for getting what she wanted. It was my mistake.

The second time was when I was 25. I answered: "No way. I want more that just being friends, so if that's what you want, find another 'friend'." I didn't see her any more until 6 months later, she called me and she said she was sorry. We were together as a couple for 2 years. If I stayed as a "friend", she wouldn't see me as worthy. Instead, for making things clear, things had a different outcome.

For two people to be friends it's required that both people want a friendship relationship. If you want something more, then, staying as a 'friend' is accepting failure and living in the Failure Zone forever, knowing that she will never ever want something with you, but with all the problems of having to do her favours because she's "your friend."

[–]JackMcJackJack 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The friendzone is somewhere you're put if your not good enough or she doesn't like you. I don't think it's as malicious as you imply. Not a fuck you just a no. Suck it up and stay in your league.

[–]Royalartist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Right on! I did the same myself recently. I told her I had all the friends I need. Keep in mind that her "friend" is the one who helps out with all kinds of shit and who she calls on when she wants something. Naah, let 'em fix their toilets themselves. It never goes the other way. Really, what can they do for you that you can't do yourself?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With me they'll demand I fix their mental health issues so they can get more cock. The skeezy hipster they fuck ends up credited with fixing them of course.

The entitlement is fucking jaw dropping. Its worse when you see guys brainwashed into accepting this as the norm.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Funny thing is with their inflated SMVs, they rarely can 'do better'. If they ever do, the likelihood of being alpha-widowed becomes that much higher. It then culminates in them settling for a BB who they take every opportunity to hate and put down. All that because they couldn't accept that they were a 6 and not the 10 they thought they were.

[–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

These days they will grow old with their cats. Yes we are having an effect.

[–]Noob_The_Legend 5 points6 points  (2 children)

See men like this is what make us all look stupid. There is nothing wrong with a woman not wanting to fuck you. There are plenty of women that I do not want to fuck and I don't think I'm better than any of them. You sound like an entitled little boy that didn't get what he wanted. Grow up.

[–]catshit69 6 points7 points  (1 child)

No woman puts you in the friendzone. You put yourself there. Period.

[–]drallcom3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"I know you; I've had a good look and I think I can do better."

", but I'm going to keep you around for when I can't find a job with my ancient languages of the Indian sub-continent masters degree and I'd rather become a mommy with 35. Chad doesn't want children."

[–]slideforlife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

just like she doesn't need to be into you as a romantic partner, you don't need to be into her as a friend.

[–]enkae7317 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The whole friendzone thing is alright and all but if a girl "friendzones" you then that already means you done fucked up. This probably means that A)your game wasn't either solid enough or B) she's more accustomed to the more alpha males.

Literally, just up your game, and even if a girl goes with the whole "friendzone" shtick you can work your way around it. Some women will even friendzone you JUST to see your reaction and if they see that you waver (like what you just did) then they automatically assume you're not of high value and that you're a beta.

If you remain icy and unaffected then she'll see that you're strong and well-composed. She'll be more attracted to you. In the end, most of the time the friend zone line is an early shit test.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"I'm not interested in being friends."

This is always the correct response to being friendzoned, no exceptions.

If anything this opens up the slight possibility that they might contact you at a future period with interest, however being TRP you probably will have moved on by that point.

[–]ambassador_of_porn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 8 points9 points  (28 children)

"My sadness immediately turned to anger. And so I said something that would have been unfathomable years before: 'I'm not interested in being friends.'"

Bro, I know that feel, but you don't ever want to make anger-based decisions. Is it really in your best interest to have less "friends?" Now, granted, the friendship would have been one-way, but the advantage to staying on good terms with a high-value woman, is that they know other high-value women. She could have been useful to you as a pivot. Also, by taking the apparent rejection poorly, you "prove" to her that she was right about you all along, that you're "weak" and therefore unworthy. A "real" man would have taken it gracefully and stayed on good terms, while then finding himself someone as good or better, at which point she then has the option of "stealing" you back when she gets jealous. A friendship can be a foot in the door . . . but only if you are sincere in your willingness to leave. However, once someone has initially rejected you, it would be hard to believe that any future interest would be genuine and not a move of desperation. Personally, I DQ any woman that signals anything remotely resembling rejection, even if she later shows interest. I just don't trust that later interest because I always wonder "What changed?"

Something to keep in mind if this situation arises in the future.

Edit: I've done stuff like this and had regrets at myself for not being stoic, iron-willed and machiavellian enough. You can always pursue other women while your remain "friends." I've also seen women do this to me, where they trot out some schlub to see if it will make me jealous while I remain as impassive as possible.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 21 points22 points  (15 children)

A friendship with a woman, unless motivated by business or family interest, is all but useless.

That was ultimately the conclusion I came to. Why invest in something where you stand to gain so little?

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 4 points5 points  (1 child)

By "friendship," I mean stay on good terms with, not help move furniture, listen to incessant bitching, or one way purchasing of gifts and services. Telling someone you don't want to be their friend is burning a bridge.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A friendship with a woman, unless motivated by business or family interest, is all but useless.

That's not friendship; that's an alliance. Two people that coincidentally have the same goals at a particular moment and decide to work together to accomplish it.

[–]gopher_glitz 0 points1 point  (7 children)

All but useless unless she hooks you up with her friend. Pivots man, pivots.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 30 points31 points  (1 child)

I find this to be rare. Women want the best. If one woman introduces you to her group and makes it clear she has no interest in you, it immediately lowers your value.

At the time this story took place, I was doing well-enough on without her assistance. I stood to gain little from her presence except the potential for knocking me off my game due to oneitis.

[–]Super-Saiyajin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let me put my $0.02 in.

If you had remained friends after you confessed to her, her friends would have eventually asked her (not while you are there) why you two aren't "fucking." It is at this point where it's over before it even began!

However, this would have been a different scenario if you had done the following instead: 1. Not confessed your feelings. 2. Hung out / partied with her and her friends 3. Get one of her "friends" (preferably all) interested in you (after all, you said you were a highly desirable male). 4. She will see that you are indeed "worthy" (Preselection) w/e the fuck that means. 5. Fuck her brains out....

Live and learn right?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

A woman will only hook you up with her (cute) friends if she wants to fuck you herself. My buddy's gf does this all the time. She's fucking me vicariously through her friends.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fuck man. You're deep in the anger phase aren't you?

Friendships with women have HUGE benefits. Networking, preselection, wingmanship, game practice...

[–]RealRational 7 points8 points  (7 children)

His entire post wreaks of emotion, everything he talks about is motivated by how he feels. Like a child.

Emotion is never a good basis for decision making. Necessary for socialization, but you don't socialize with women, after-all they're "the oldest teenager in the house". They're kids, not equals.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht[S] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Of course there is emotion. Rejection by someone whose opinion you once valued will cause emotion; it's natural, especially when you are young.

Stoicism isn't, "no emotion." It is, "overcome emotion in one's actions."

[–]1cover20 4 points5 points  (0 children)


I would say you are still somewhere in the hate-phase. It's normal, I was there too, everyone says they were. It will pass. You are past the hard part and you will have more and more fun!

[–]foldpak111 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Getting emotional will fuck you up, kind of like former CFO Adam Smith. Guy was making 200k and had 1 million in savings, emotionally attacked a Chik-Fil-A employee, and lost everything.

[–]RealRational 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Society allows women to express their emotions, but punishes men for it. Better to learn to control them on little shit so bigger shit is easier to handle. At the same time, if you just suppress it, and don't process them, that will fuck you up too.

As usual, men get the shit covered pointy end of the short stick and are expected to say thank you.

Didn't know about that Chik fil a guy, too bad. At this point though, just another statistic. Victim of the female imperative.

[–]foldpak111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is why you come to TRP to discuss things. Here, you can get it all out, no matter what it is and you won't have your life ruined. If only he knew about the red pill.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Now, granted, the friendship would have been one-way, but the advantage to staying on good terms with a high-value woman, is that they know other high-value women. She could have been useful to you as a pivot.

I dunno about you man, but I've never had a woman do that for me. Wouldn't even introduce me to her gay friends. :/

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These situations are tricky, no doubt. You may not get a formal introduction, but you have a pretext to walk up with a big fake smile on your face and get your foot in the door with a group of girls. Someone who won't acknowledge you socially is not your friend. Also, keep in mind, that at least in the United States, there is NO formal observed social etiquette. It's all very ad hoc and haphazard. It used to infuriate me, and I actually ended friendships with guys over it because I viewed it as a completely slimy tactic. I'd introduce a guy friend to some girls, but he wouldn't do the same for me because he was afraid of the competition, although he would never admit it. He was shorter than me, and kind of effeminate, so he viewed me as a threat no doubt.

The converse point is that by telling someone you don't like them, don't want to be their friend, don't want anything to do with them unless X or Y condition are met, you are basically burning a bridge. That person, foreverafter, will have an opinion of you tainted by that episode. Now granted, they may not have had a high opinion of you in the first place, but now you have given them clear confirmation and justification for having a low opinion, whereas had you bore the slight gracefully, they'd at least be impressed with your stoicism, and perhaps revise their opinion.

tldr: Don't make enemies unnecessarily; stay on good terms with people, even if they disappoint you.

[–]goodbyewatch 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I've never seen someone get so salty over being rejected. Get over it man, not everyone is attracted to you.

[–]ex_astris_sci 3 points4 points  (0 children)

True. Op should spend more time studying the science of love/attraction.

[–]Super-Saiyajin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Get enough cash and I bet she'd change her fucking mind ASAP!

Edit I'm not saying this is the "answer" I'm just stating a fact.

[–]goodbyewatch 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup. Gotta attract her somehow. Whether it's looks, a ton of money, or being famous. "game" is some bullshit made up for PUAs to scam losers for their own gain.

[–]AK27ABROAD 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Recently had a discussion with a woman about this (I know, I know, I'll get shit about that, but when I say discussion I mostly listened as she hamstered her head off. It was eye-opening).

She says: "I don't understand why men are so offended by being "put in the friend zone." It's insulting, because they are saying that women's friendship isn't valuable. I'm a good friend! I help my friends, I'm kind to my friends, we have fun when we hang out! So, I don't want his dick inside me. Isn't my friendship a step up from nothing, even if he thinks it's a step down from sex?"

I honestly didn't know how to answer that, so I just said nothing. But I knew deep down she was wrong. But thank you Dark Ulfberht, at least now I have my answer. Not that I'll give it to her.

[–]Limekill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Isn't my friendship a step up from nothing?

No - usually it's not. Usually it is a lopsided friendship at best. And it usually involves the man doing all sorts of shit for zero (when did a girl last time help you out when you had to move apartments?).

[–]Gayburn-Wright 2 points3 points  (4 children)

So, point of this thread aside. A women didn't want to jump on your dick, you felt insulted, threw a tantrum and gave her the silent treatment for a decade+? Is that what I'm seeing here?

You wonderful people truly are fated to be the Übermensch.

[–]Limekill 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The problem is not that he may of got the shits with what has occurred (unless you are a sadomasochistic and love being rejected).

The problem is that usually it's never real friendship - he wants the girl and she does not want him - so almost all the time he will start doing stuff for her and she starts to use him as a servant, such as: - help me move; - provide emotional support because I'm breaking up with this bad boy asshole; - provide more emotional support because I am getting back with the bad boy asshole; help me with my work (job/uni/school); take me out; buy me shit; I'm hungry; I'm bored; etc. Followed up with "you such a great friend!!!"

Is that being a friend? No. It's him thinking he can trade doing things for an increase in attraction from her. But does that ever happen? Of course not.

Would a Übermensch be friends if they got nothing back?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I live in the South (US) and there's a similar saying that goes back a while. When a sweet Southern lady shakes your hand and says, "well bless your heart." she is basically saying "fuck you!"

I look at the old "let's just be friends" trope the same way.

[–]Volapukajo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was a movie I saw many years ago that had a quote that stuck with me.

You can have a dog for a friend, you can have whiskey for a friend, but if you have a woman for a friend, you'll wind up drunk, sleeping with your dog.

[–]Jokoran 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Sounds like you got a lot of pride. No need to get so angry. Having a female friend is beneficial as she can hook you up with her friends. Getting friend zoned isn't a result of her actions, it's a result of your actions. You act, she responds. It's like getting angry at a computer for a typo you made.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

girls who friendzone you dont get you laid bro

[–]Jokoran 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Happened to me. Introduced me to two of her attractive friends. I only banged one of them but hey at least I broke even on the investment. Besides, I can bring her to a club and get in for free. Attractive women see her around me and my value goes up. Females make good wing men.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i had a nutcase plate tell me i was bitter we weren't together when i was the one who hard nexted her.

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[–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Nobody succeeds all the time, but he's not blaming anyone. He's just saying he won't spend time with that woman. If he wants to hate her for his health, that's fine. It didn't seem to come thru to her, from what he said, and if it did, it means he's not thru the anger phase, but that is just a phase and it's fine too.

[–]wtf_is_taken 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice, this is the kind of shit I am going to pass on to my son.

[–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, ok, but having hot female friends can be useful to your life in general. They can open lots of social doors for you in the future.

Is it mandatory to never have any female friends? How about making friends with note girls your good friends are with?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well done for escaping a lifetime's worth of being a hapless gimp.

My only criticism is you becoming angry, as you're breaking frame - just remain calm.

As others mentioned, women make the worst 'friends' (a term frequently abused), and they aren't loyal (get a dog instead!).

[–]hardbodystud 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Easier way to put it: if she's friend-zoning you, you're not attractive enough. Step up your game.

[–]T_H_E_T_R_U_T_H 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe men put themselves in the friend zone by not being upfront with how they feel, and doing shit like buying her dinner and helping her out with absolutely nothing in return but bullshit hugs that women give out for free.

As far as insults, I believe there is one instance where a woman who has friendzoned you can insult you. If she ever says "I wish more guys were like you" this whore is no longer your friend, and get her the fuck out of your life.

That is an unbelievably bullshit thing to say to a guy who is your friend, and it's just a tool to keep stringing him along on the off-chance she might finally realize he was the perfect guy (read: when she hits the wall and needs security)

[–]leftovers432 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OK, how about this? She didn't find you good looking OR she didn't really like your personality? Think about it like this. If there was a girl that you didn't find particularly and she went to ask you out, and you say no, are you friendzoning her? It's the same situation. Your sense of entitlement is what makes you mad. Girls are not going to fuck every guy they meet just like guys won't.

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