Blue Pill ExampleWoman suggests to her husband that they get a sperm donor because he's short. (self.TheRedPill)

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My wife and I have been together for 4 years, married for 8 months. Late last night we were lying in bed post-sex, her head on my shoulder. We were talking about kids. Names and such. A few minutes go by of no talking. Then she says, "with all of the problems, you've had with your height... Maybe we should think about getting a sperm donor." I was completely shocked. After a few seconds of silence she says "sweety?" and looks up at me. I close my eyes instantly and present to be asleep.

How could she ask me that? I can't even begin to explain how much it hurts to know she doesn't think I'm good enough to father her children. I lay awake all last night unable to sleep. In the past I've told her about my insecurities - the way some girls have treated me because of my height, as you do when you trust someone. It's not fair and it sucks to be judged on something you can't change, but I'm still successful and looked up to by people (figuratively, not physically of course :P).

I've never once suggested sperm donation, she thought it up all on her own. I honestly don't know what to say to her about this. There is virtually nothing that she could have said that would have hurt me more, surely she knows that. I have a tendency of biting my tongue, sucking it up and saying nothing, but I feel like I have to say something. I am honestly considering walking out on her. In what universe is it okay to ask a man something like that? I need some kind of advice. Is this an okay question to ask? Am I overreacting?

tl;dr: I was lying in bed with my wife when she asked if we should get a sperm donor. I have no how to approach this situation, or what to do.

EDIT: I thought I'd give a little more info for those that are interested. I've only discussed my height with my wife on two occasions. They were both those mutual "I love you so much and I want to know everything about you moments." We talked about the people we dated, our past relationships, rejections and insecurities. Yes, it was a pussy move to pretend I was asleep, but I had literally no idea how to respond, so it was the easiest way to get some time to think. There are some huge leaps happening, so I'll just say that I've never been bullied because of my height. The only time I've ever been insecure about my height is in the dating realm. Even then, it was only for the brief period after summoning the courage to ask a girl out and being told "sorry I don't date short guys." Oh, and I'm 5'4

I couldn't help but cringe when I read this. Here is a guy planning to start a family with a woman he loves and trusts, and she completely blindsides him with the revelation that she'd rather not have a child with his genes. I'm sure some guys in here are going to call him a pussy for pretending to be asleep instead of kicking her ass out of the house, but I can kinda understand it. When you receive a revelation that shakes your entire world to the core, sometimes your brain needs time to process something like that.

I know from dating profiles on apps like Tinder that women can be pretty cruel when it comes to short guys. But still... ouch!

[–][deleted] 178 points179 points  (6 children)

In before she suggests doing the sperm donation the "natural" way, with many sessions due to her aging vagina and eggs.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 65 points66 points  (3 children)

At his expense, of course. This will become a new trendy way to cuckold

[–]95wave 29 points30 points  (2 children)

We REALLY don't need to give them any ideas

[–]AngeloKarageorgos 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Maybe she reached the point to tell her husband because she hadn't managed to succeed the "natural" way lol

[–]VanityKing 151 points151 points [recovered]

The mods actually deleted the post and locked the thread.
I honestly don't know why and how these people bother to go on living

[–]torodinson 74 points75 points  (2 children)

The world is their safe space.

[–]Redpillc0re 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I checked that subreddit 90% of the posts are from women. What was the OP even doing there.

[–]M3_Drifter 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Probably because a large part of the comments were telling him he was fucked.

[–]csehszlovakze 191 points191 points [recovered]

Poor guy's gonna be divorce raped so hard he'll be short of cash for a very long time. Pun aside, he should divorce her immediately, but I don't think he has the balls to do it.

[–]1mojo_juju 43 points44 points  (4 children)

perhaps with proper planning he can frame her for adultery:

Set up hidden cameras and microphones.

Then, say "Yes babe, why don't we get your pal ol' Chad over for a natural insemination"

Be sure only agree verbally so there is no evidence.

Then you'll have clear, undeniable evidence that your wife has been cheating on you, and hopefully it will reduce her proceeds.

[–]IWouldRatherBeDerpin 52 points53 points  (1 child)

/u/truthiesttruth has top comment, theorizing that this woman is already fucking several Chads behind his back. Step one of your plan would probably be enough, no need to say anything to her or act suspicious to get the footage.

[–]Hydris 25 points26 points  (0 children)

More than likely the case. Fucking other dudes, used the sorry donor excuse to explain why the DNA test doesn't match him.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Divorce courts won't see that as a valid reason to prevent her from living a life she's become accustomed to.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This. Even a supposedly "ironclad" prenup can be lawyered through. The only (nearly) foolproof way to avoid getting financially raped in a divorce is to not get married.

I say nearly, because there are still retarded common law marriage laws on the books in some states.

[–]Ochreata 63 points64 points  (8 children)

....."sweety?".... She just tore his testicles out through his throat and has the audacity say "sweety?".... fuck me.....

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 19 points20 points  (1 child)

And then the plausible deniability aspect sets in "I only want what's best for OUR children, can't you see that?! Why are you being so immature?!" Thing is, if it's not his sperm, they aren't his kids. Women are manipulative and insensitive whilst conveying an image of kindness and sweetness. When all you see is the surface you think women are wonderful, because you're caught up in style but blind to substance. But when you can see the substance behind their charades, women are ugly. It's fucked up, they're fucked up.

[–]Buckysaurus 115 points115 points [recovered]

That is fucking emasculating. She's just one step shy of fucking some random and keeping the kid.

[–]Trenstate 70 points71 points  (10 children)

Maybe she already might be preggo and she's covering her ass in the case that husband wants DNA test. Then again, women don't tend to have much foresight so maybe not.

[–]thedude122487 53 points54 points  (3 children)

The smart ones do, that's why they're so terrifying. They are capable of some of the most Machiavellian shit I've ever seen. Smart, beautiful, and disloyal is an extremely potent combination in a woman. Mother nature is a bitch.

[–]Brian_Official 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'll have to dig around for the citation, but I recall a study in the Journal of Forensic Psychiatry & Psychology demonstrating that men with higher Emotional Intelligence had lower rates of sociopathic behavior/tendencies whereas the inverse was the case for women.

[–]NightGod 8 points9 points  (3 children)

If she was already preggers, she wouldn't mention it, since they're married and "talking about kids". She'd just spring the "wonderful news" on him and let him figure it out when it was too late to do anything about it.

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[–]foldpak111 22 points23 points  (6 children)

If that was me she'd be one step shy of kicking rocks. I might be 5'5" but it will be a cold day in hell before I let a woman speak to me like that. Maybe I should go have a baby with a girl that has skinny genes, unlike the average woman, who is fat as fuck

[–][deleted] 120 points121 points  (12 children)

If he stays with her, this cuck deserves everything that is coming his way. Normally, I wouldn't wish bad things to befall anyone. But this isn't ambiguous. She is literally saying: "your genes are not good enough for my child." It might as well be on a billboard.

Edit: I was pondering this whole issue a bit more. Maybe she is genuinely concerned about the height of her progeny, for whatever reason. Ok. But notice how she doesn't mention the idea of adoption. That should tell you everything you need to know.

The comment that his wife declared was not made on-the-fly, like the OP thinks. For all their faults, women do have exceptional social intelligence. She isn't going to be like some aspie and just drop a line like that out of nowhere. She probably thought about it for months, maybe years. Until finally, wifey found the way to bring it up -- masked as an informal, off-the-cuff remark. The fact that she felt strong enough to verbalize it was the moment that the dude's relationship crossed the Rubicon. Even if Joe Beta does agree to it, the joy of pregnancy will wear off fast, and she will resent him for the rest of his days.

To be honest, I'm not sure why this story affected me so much. I think it has to do with honor -- which is solely a male abstraction. It's like watching a member of your tribe kill themselves. I suppose it also irks me because it is just another step in the march of cultural and moral decay. Had the tech been available at the time, my grandmother would have thought of this idea as pure evil.

[–]pcadrian 38 points38 points [recovered]

You have it backwards. HE was the one saying my genes aren't good enough when he opened up like a little bitch with his insecurity. His wife couldn't do anything but agree with him at that point, like any other woman would.

[–]IWouldRatherBeDerpin 80 points81 points  (1 child)

He opened up to her about his insecurities because he was taught that is what you are supposed to do when you love and trust a woman. Yeah in a way he brought this on himself by doing something foolish, but is it 100% his fault he thought he was doing the right thing. Reminds me of the practice of Bloodletting where people accidentally killed each other while trying to do first aid. This poor sap is a victim of the genetic lottery and a victim of the several decades of normalized feminist ideals our world has adapted.

[–]foldpak111 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Right on the money. Our blue pill upbringing have taught us to be unattractive.

[–]thedude122487 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I disagree that she couldn't do anything but agree. IMO she was already having doubts about his genetic suitability before he even brought it up. The only thing that revealing his insecurities to her did was make her feel more comfortable verbalizing how she felt all along.

[–]GhostInTheRedPill 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Exactly this. Had he told her about all the advantages of his shortness and made it look as though he's happier that way, she wouldn't have been programmed to find his genes disgusting.

The poor sap was a sitting duck having been told all his life that women are great empathisers and listeners. They are, but they will form an opinion with what you tell them.

When opening up to a woman, to make her feel you trust her, it needs to be in the "I feel down when there are no dragons to slay" type of vein.

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[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (4 children)

This has been an experiment of mine, here and on FB. If you use RP-type vocabulary people generally respond negatively but putting it into laymen's terms so to speak will garner you a lot more positive feedback. Crazy.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (2 children)

That's because RP stuff generally is just applied common sense. It's kind of hilarious how even basic truisms have become verboten in today's PC-speaking, censorship laden world. It's just like 1984; you've got to get past their programming. Most people have quite literally been programmed by society to avoid "thoughtcrime".

[–]sweetleef 20 points21 points  (1 child)

That is the entire point of PC - to prohibit the discussion of reality, when reality disagrees with the dogma. PC means that not only are unfavored opinions banned, but simply discussing the merits of unfavored opinions is also banned. Debating a position is treated as believing the opposite, and therefore disallowed.

Since PC-approved ideas are mostly absurd and easily disprovable, the best way to propagate them is to simply prohibit discussion about them outright.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Definitely. I'm reminded of this comic on a regular basis when I have these discussions:


You've hit the nail on the head - the goal is to declare certain things as "offensive" so that they simply cannot be discussed. The very idea of, for instance, the female dualistic sexual mating strategy is enough to send a shockwave of really disturbing realizations into the mind of anyone who thinks about it for five minutes. Since those sort of realizations are pretty disruptive to the SJW/PC narrative, it's become thoughtcrime to even mention something like that as a possibility. You immediately become a labeled as a misogynist or worse for even daring to consider certain ideas.

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[–]199639 83 points84 points  (13 children)

When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.

  • Tyrion Lannister, game of thrones

[–]foldpak111 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That quote is fuckin money

[–]Squeezymypenisy 15 points16 points  (11 children)

I want in.

A flayed man has no secrets - Bolton

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 54 points55 points  (7 children)

Gotta keep the echo chamber pure and free of dissenting opinions.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 50 points51 points  (4 children)

I empathize with this guy. Men are shamed if they reject fat women. But here we have a woman asking her short husband to be actively cuckolded, and he's an asshole for not acquiescing to her requests. Today's women are seriously fucked up. He needs to divorce this cunt ASAP.

[–]1beerthroway 13 points14 points  (0 children)

And to top it off the woman could change her fatness, all the man could do is own it. Yet because of our society and probably the nature of gender, each one is doing the other's solution. Women are proud of their fatness and men are trying to change things they can't.

[–]RedPillExclusive 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Neckbeards and legbeards that have nothing better to do with their time but be on reddit looking for people to ban 24/7 lol.

[–]WAFC 48 points49 points  (4 children)

If you post material from that sub to other subs, it's supposed to be an autoban. Something tells me SRS and the like get a pass, but whatever. It's a cesspool regardless.

[–]GASTON_TONNERRECOQ 19 points19 points [recovered]

confirmed, as much as I'd like to circlejerk with the comment rated higher than yours.

Crossposting other people's material will result in an instaban.

[–]arrayay 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Reality is he triggered a computer into an action. No person did anything. Yet, there is an undertone of victimization... Redpill should ignore the actions (or in this case inaction) of these other places.

[–]199639 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No person did anything.

The ban bot isn't sentient. It was programmed by a person and ordered to ban crossposters, like OP here.

[–]my_redpill_account 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I often post honest RP advice there on another account and it's always upvoted. Everyone stigmatizes TRP but it's advice is greatly appreciated under a different guise.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (7 children)

Make a new subreddit. /r/relationships_uncensored

[–]Ayoung4u 56 points57 points  (1 child)

We already have that: /r/theredpill

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I meant it as a proverbial finger poked into their pie.

Make it and redirect it to TRP. You can redirect subreddits.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)


I can't make "relationshipsuncensored, relationshipsnocensor, relationshipsnotcensored" and so on.

Did they block people from doing that or something? Pic related.

[–]RosewoodPill 103 points104 points  (16 children)

She's trying to cuckold the bastard. Next is "artificial is so unatural.. we should find me a one time partner.". Then it takes 1000 times to get preggers. Husband ends up paying out his nose for many kids that arent his and dies a loser.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 162 points163 points  (9 children)

"My personal trainer at the gym would probably be willing to do it. He's very knowledgeable about natural alternatives. His name is Chad."

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Fucking Chad. That dude is multi-talented.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Yeah Chad is a personal trainer, black belt martial artist, engineer who can fly a jet plane, is a stunt man for movies and has a 12 inch dick that routinely gets filmed on porno sets.

[–]red_gerb 34 points35 points  (0 children)

+1 you took the words out of my mouth.

open cuckoldry. disgusting. he should return fire. {hey honey your tatas are too small, Sooo I'm going to the strip club tonight to create a worthy appetite. whad'da say?} poor Beta. annulment the witch.

[–]beginner_ 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Not trying. She probably already is pregnant from a black guy...this is her way out.

[–]LancerKagato 11 points12 points  (0 children)

astute observation, this is a good possibility

[–]Philhelm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And then she'll say that she'll have to suck his cock beforehand, during each visit, since the first load always has a lower sperm count.

[–]Jokoran 97 points98 points  (4 children)

This is why you don't show weakness. Women collect your insecurities like playing cards to use whenever they want. "Aww, tell me about your feelings" translates to "please give me more leverage against you!"

She didn't even use this in an effort to hurt or control him. That's the best part. It was her subconscious speaking to him directly. "You lack value and I don't want my kids to be end up like you." Plain and simple truth laid out right in front of him.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (2 children)

This is why "more communication" is shitty advice that "experts" and the like give to couples. Emotional manipulation is the weapon of the feminine, and any man wishing to keep his marriage or relationship in check must keep his cards close to his chest.

[–]calzenn 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Honey, can you pass me that .50 cal ammo, I am going to save it for later lover :)

[–]bitches_be_crazy86 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Why do you think women tell men to share their emotions and insecurities with them?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 46 points47 points  (1 child)

... she completely blindsides him with the revelation that she'd rather not have a child with his genes.

But his beta bux are welcome, if not appreciated.

[–]IWouldRatherBeDerpin 17 points18 points  (0 children)

welcome, if not appreciated

There are many ways in which his beta bux will be a legal obligation with threat of imprisonment. This guy needs to get out now.

[–][deleted] 90 points91 points  (26 children)

I have a lot of sympathy for shorter guys. They get tested more by other men and they get shit on A LOT worse by women.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 73 points74 points  (21 children)

Yep. Most people are familiar with "Little Man's Syndrome", where a short guy acts very aggressive to compensate for his lack of height. Short guys pretty much have to develop that personality because they get mocked by women and men for their height. They have to make sure that their personality and accomplishments outshine their shortness.

[–]kevinc1012 24 points25 points  (2 children)

This is something that I've found myself subconsciously doing (I'm 5'5), we shorter guys feel a strong need to build a great physique because we don't have the height advantage. It used to bother me but it's really just water under the bridge now, people that will judge you on something you can't change aren't worth your time.

[–]codithejedi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Me too man. I'm 25 and 5'7, but I entered High School at a whopping 4'11. Didn't hit a growth spurt until after I graduated around 5'4, weighing around 110-115 pounds. Talk about low self-esteem when 90% of the women were bigger than you. Luckily, I wasn't too concerned about dating in high school. I started lifting a year ago at 125 pounds and skinny-fat. I bulked up to 160 and am now doing my first cut. The respect you get from people who used to know you is unreal, once they see your change. Sure you get the guy shit tests, but man when you go to the gym together and out lift them, it's priceless.

I have a close friend who is 5'4. He's a stocky 165 and I always wondered if he bulked up like that to compensate for his height. He was always ready to fight at the drop of a hat and I never saw him lose a fight either. We're still close friends and he ended up marrying a woman that is 5'9 so I don't think it held him back too much.

Get big and aesthetic and no one will talk shit about your height when you can pull their girl with ease.

[–]Purecorrupt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

On the bright side it's easier to get bulky strong. #Yay

[–]antariusz 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I used to get shit on occasionally for my height, at 5'8" enough to where I decided to wear half inch soles in my shoes just so I could be "average"... I have a lot of respect for short guys that develop rock-solid frame and decide they're going to do whatever it takes in life to succeed.

[–]thedude122487 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's retarded how some people will treat us over 2-3 inches of height. It weirds me out actually.

[–]Purecorrupt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm almost 5'9". Honestly ever since I started lifting a few years ago and paying attention to posture people think I'm taller and if they don't they don't look much taller because the average persons posture is so bad. Most of my overweight coworkers make themselves appear 2 inches shorter even though they aren't.

Hell my dad thought I was like an inch shorter than him and he's 5'11". He basically added an inch or 2 to my height. And I wear pretty flat shoes so it's not like I'm deceiving my height by wearing boots etc.

[–]spectrum_92 14 points15 points  (10 children)

I'm 5'11' so never could relate to short man syndrome until at the ripe old age of 19 I started losing my hair. When you have some sort of natural disadvantage like that you either compensate with success and lifting or resign yourself to sub human status in the eyes of women

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 11 points12 points  (2 children)

If a woman suggested to get a sperm donor because I balded prematurely, I would ask her if she was serious in a polite manner, and when she didn't backpedal, I would walk out on her.

Maybe not immediately, depending on the status of our relationship and our assets, but I the very moment she said she meant it, I would check out emotionally.

[–]wanderer779 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think this is beyond shit testing... this is just her not really being into you. At that point it's time to go find someone else who is.

[–]2Overkillengine 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Shave it and rock the bald look. And by all means, keep lifting and succeeding, you were going to need those anyways, full head of hair or not.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Im 5'5" so i can completely relate. When i was younger all the other guys looked stronger, bigger, more manly, and were taken more seriously, treated with greater respect, all because of their greater height. All i had that made me stand out was my much higher level of aggression. When someone mocked me or treated me worse because of my height, the only thing i could do was attack them after school and try to beat the shit out of them. It either that or you are treated like a lesser person. Eventually that became uneccessary as i became older and more mature, and everyone around me as well. Putting on muscle helps greatly with being taken more seriously.

[–]Hatorader 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Totally agree, you pretty much have to be willing to die over the most petty things, which I'm prepared to do, this has a dual effect of making you hard headed which girls like and making sure big guys don't fuck with you, which has never been a problem because most guys out of high school are pretty mature.

[–]nouveaugosse 32 points33 points  (3 children)

You never tell a woman about your insecurities. Women are not your friend, even if they're your wife. When you tell a woman shit like that, they catalog it and will use it against you when it is expedient.

[–]thedude122487 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I'm positive he's never felt more bullied about his height before in his entire life, and it was by his wife nonetheless, the person he's supposed to trust the most to not feel that way. She said, "Maybe we should get a sperm donor", but all I read was, "Everything positive about you is completely cancelled out by the fact that you're a little twerp, therefore you're not worthy of providing the genetic stock for my children. But you're worthy of providing your time, energy, money, and resources to raise them."

Need I spell it out? D-I-V, O-R-C, E!

[–]cascadecombo 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Him pretending to be asleep is 100x better than him agreeing with her and going along with what she said.

Some things will hit you so hard you can't do much at all, that was one of those things for the dude.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Some things will hit you so hard you can't do much at all, that was one of those things for the dude.

What happened to him was the human equivalent of the "Blue Screen of Death" on a PC. The shock and pain left him completely clueless on what to say or do.

[–]truthiesttruth 241 points242 points  (36 children)

this foul cunt is already getting "sperm donations" whether he knows about it or not. her hypergamy wont let her stay faithful to someone she has zero respect for.

[–]deepfriedcocaine 196 points197 points  (32 children)

And the top comments recommend he "tells her how that made him feel." Yeah I'm sure that'll regain her respect; nothing gets a woman wetter than the tears of her partner.

He should've suggested a surrogate mother.

[–]thedaytondingler 101 points102 points  (11 children)

The surrogate mother comment is absolutely hilarious. What a good answer.

[–]Jigsus 14 points15 points  (10 children)

I wonder how would she react if this was an opposite thing.

What if he was a tall dude asking his short wife to use a donor egg to avoid having short kids?

[–]blandboringusername 21 points21 points [recovered]

Or how about any 40+ wife who wants another kid, and is willing to roll the dice on Down's Syndrome? Why is every man railroaded into adoption when he is perfectly capable of producing healthy children very late in his life? Women love to tell us how much better their orgasms are than ours, but it's a simple fact that a 40+ man's sperm is > a 40+ woman's eggs.

EDIT: Why is every 40+ man with an infertile 40+ wife railroaded into adoption when he is perfectly capable of producing healthy children with a donor egg very late in his life?

[–]puaSenator 73 points74 points  (5 children)

Yeah, no one is even bringing up the fact at the level of disrespect she must have for this guy to begin with if she thinks that this is even an appropriate question to ask. That's like me going up to my hypothetical wife and saying, "Hey can I fuck your sister? She's way hotter than you." And then once she gets pissed say, "Oh, right, babe, you shouldn't get mad at the question. I didn't know you'd react like this. It's just a question. Tell me how you feel... Let's communicate and move on."

[–]deepfriedcocaine 37 points38 points  (2 children)

She's way hotter than you.

This is a good parallel because the request is based entirely on physical attributes. But at least she'd share some DNA with her sister.

When he hears, "I love you," she means, "I love what your wallet can do for me, and our my potential offspring."

Yet again, we see the "loveTM for who you are" that betas so commonly chase is nonexistent. This woman essentially says, "You are of no value to me beyond your role as my provider; even your genes are not worthy of my (or your own) time."

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (8 children)


"Why don't we use a surrogate mother womb of a 6'3" woman."

[–]deepfriedcocaine 24 points25 points  (7 children)

"And you can keep your figure."

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (2 children)

"It'll be healthier for the baby - you know, with your weight and all".

[–]HerculestheRed 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"How dare you! You know how long I've struggled with my weight. We can't afford the liposuction surgery until you get a better job.

I can't believe you would abuse me like this just because your dick is as small as the rest of you."

Judging her for things she can change is literally rape. Judging him for the things he can't is her privilege.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

She probably can't wait for the excuse to put on the extra 20lbs.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 34 points35 points  (2 children)

LOL 20? Try 50. Women love using pregnancy as an excuse to pack on 50 lbs in order to pop out a 6lb baby.

[–]foldpak111 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Preselection would fix the problem, guaranteed. Nothing gets a woman wetter than finding out he can get laid by women more attractive than her.

[–]Praecipuus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And the top comments recommend he "tells her how that made him feel." Yeah I'm sure that'll regain her respect

Sure it will, that's not even how he got himself in that position in the first place:

I've told her about my insecurities (...) as you do when you trust someone

[–]foldpak111 24 points25 points  (1 child)

It's an unfortunate fact that many women have no respect for men under 6'. That's okay, because I have no respect for women over 125#. If she isn't a fitness model, she's pretty much subhuman and deserves to be cheated on. They brought this in themselves.

[–]SexistFlyingPig 23 points24 points  (1 child)

This is a clear case of "Dude, you ARE the beta bucks."

[–]abdada 87 points88 points  (2 children)

He did a poor job holding frame during courtship and filtering her out early on.

He should bounce. Today.

[–]UlyssesElias 23 points24 points  (7 children)

This is weird. Women who want tall children and sons who won't go bald don't marry men who are short or bald. I've never heard of someone marrying a short guy and later deciding on tall children. WTF?? When she married you she already knew that her children would share your DNA. She's made her bed and now she should lie in it.

[–]BowsNToes21 26 points27 points  (0 children)

She's probably not that good looking herself and he's a good provider. She's trying to get alpha sperm without cheating and having this poor bastard raise the kid from the DNA she always wanted but could never secure.

[–]tallwheel 14 points15 points  (0 children)

They do if they are planning on practicing the dual mating strategy (AF/BB). Usually they are not dumb enough to outright admit it like this woman did, though.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

he TRICKED her into marrying him! she should be free to cuckold him and get cash prizes, she couldn't possibly be held accountable for major life decisions!

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

He stopped wearing stilts after the wedding

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

When I went to the first Christmas with my ex, her mom literally introduced me as "Jennifer's bald boyfriend". What the fuck? Interestingly enough, I strongly suspect she had a big role to play in the break up.

[–]Endorsed ContributoriBrokeRSA 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Holy shit, check out the hamsters in that thread.

Actually he totally seems like that kind of guy to me. I was mentally comparing him with a friend of mine who, while very short, has absolutely no problem with it. OP sounds insecure.


Actually, it seems to me that she's reacting to your description of your experiences being short - not that she personally has a problem with it. Is this something you've complained about a lot? It is a horrible thing to say but if you've made a huge deal about being short, maybe she thinks it's that big of a deal for you


From the description it sounds like OP has mentioned a lot of insecurities related to his height. She probably has been thinking about it and didn't want to see her own child go through that bullying. Mom's suffer just as much when their children get hurt like that. She obviously didn't present the idea in the best way though, considering OP's clearly insecure about it. That doesn't make her a horrible person. Never attribute to malice what can be sufficiently explained by stupidity.

These people actually think OP's wife said that because she was concerned. There is no limit to how far white knights go when giving women the benefit of the doubt.

Note that she said this after sex, meaning that during sex she was thinking "oh god I hope his gross penis snot doesn't get me pregnant... ew". How much do you wanna bet she doesn't give blowjobs and has uninspiring starfish sex with her husband?

Not to mention all the bleating of /r/relationships platitudes "You need to communicate more with her" and "you should tell her how much it hurt you because 100% honesty is always the best policy in any relationship". Barf. The latter is especially hilarious because it's so patently false but people use it as the basis for their advice as if it were a religious mantra.

He should've asked for a divorce on the spot, though I understand why he didn't react right away. When a woman decides to chance one of the few things that makes her LTR-worthy in the first place (loyalty), she is disrespecting you on such a level that it instantly renders any relationship unsalvageable. It's a colossal shit test and the only way to pass -- where passing means you at least retain some dignity -- is to burn it all to the ground instantly and never look back. She lit the match, after all. If you can't do that, you've lost already and it's all downhill from there. Never get attached to anything you can't walk out on in 30 seconds. It's the same thing with cheating, asking for an "open relationship", even joking about cheating. It's one of those things that can't be taken back and will always linger.

[–]watersign 30 points31 points  (7 children)

as a shorter fellow, all i can say is ..if i was this dude....DUMP HER!

[–]foldpak111 11 points12 points  (3 children)

So many attractive women are cool with it. expect to be shit tested on it, but always remember; if a woman doesn't like you, she doesn't know you exist.

[–]watersign 6 points7 points  (2 children)

ive had plenty of girls tell me they dont care, and in truth they probably dont..but their friends certainly do.

[–]newls 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Ignore what women say, watch what they do. In a public group setting no woman is going to say something negative like they don't like short guys. But even if they did go with a short dude, and her friends collectively made fun of her for going out with a short dude, she would consider leaving him based on that alone. Nothing is more important to a woman than what other women think of her.

[–]watersign 5 points6 points  (0 children)

yup...they're herd creatures and largely incapable of thinking for themselves.

[–]newspaper_nerd 17 points17 points [recovered]

I'm bothered by the fact that the comment with the most upvotes blames OP, i should avoid that sub.

OP being self-conscious about his height is a separate issue.

Why does that sub lock up good threads with lively discussions? Isn't the whole point of internet forums is to have good discussions rather than a circlejerk?

[–]through_a_ways 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Why does that sub lock up good threads with lively discussions? Isn't the whole point of internet forums is to have good discussions rather than a circlejerk?

Whenever a developing comment thread starts getting at the inherent inequality that men face, it gets nuked.

People on relationships, bluepill, twox, sex, etc., simply can't handle the cognitive dissonance of admitting that men in actuality have it worse than women in almost every sphere of life, because they don't care about men.

Nobody cares about men, but if you remind an egalitarian-minded bluepiller about their own insanely sexist or racist double standards, they simply can't handle the cognitive dissonance, because it forces them to admit to themselves that they are shitty people.

We, on the other hand, are just fine being shitty people. We recognize that it's the natural order of things.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not on reddit. Reddit is for circle jerks, vote manipulation, and mind control.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (1 child)

She brought it up to cover up the cucking that's already occurring.

[–]1InscrutablePUA 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Should've replied with "if you're worried about genes how about i go impregnate someone better looking"

though if he has no game with other women this one would fall flat

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Then why did she marry him? Ah, beta bux, that's why.


[–]1GreenPiller 12 points13 points  (7 children)

You can build muscle at the gym, you can clean ypu face up with proactive but how the hell can you make yourself taller??

[–]RP_Student 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Your height isn't important so much as your perceived height. I'm 5'10" but I stand up straight and have worked on my muscle imbalances that caused bad posture and look my 6 foot friends with bad posture in the eyes.

[–]TruthOverLiez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

RP_Student is right it's more about the perceived height in most situations. I stand up straight and my running shoes give me 1.5 inches. I'm 5'8 so when I wear shoes it makes me look 5'9

[–]garlicextract 2 points3 points  (1 child)

that's great when you're 5'10" but plenty of dudes on here are 5'6" +/- 2"

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Look at how she tries to fault him for it. This woman is so conniving that she thought up the prefect angle to cover her sister.

with all the problems YOU have had

And then she tries to but his affection by calling him sweety. Like she's trying to be honest about this, instead of a manipulative cunt.

She hides get intentions behind sweet words and ginger moments, only to get out of him what she wants. She loves no one but herself. I want to say something else, is in the tip of my tongue. I can't get it yet...


[–]RiseAboveRuin 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There was an awesome article on here the other day detailing why you should never complain or reveal your weaknesses to your SO and this is exactly why. While, even though this may be a shit test in some fucked up way, it's one of those statements that can't be taken back. I'd apply distance and break up shortly(heh) after but that's just me.

[–]hamstercide 9 points10 points  (4 children)

What is with this female obsession with height? I seriously don't get it. Females have gotten out of control. Yeah I understand they want someone "big and strong", it "indicates good genes for physical health", blah blah etc., does this mean over half the bell curve can't reproduce just because empowered women decided to set the bar at 6'? It's not something that affects me personally, I just find it ridiculous that some men are unable to get laid because of something so inconsequential and irrelevant.

[–]Theconductor23 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He is done. Hope somebody clues him in.

[–]Redrog1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's always funny how people adapt their basic instincts to new technology.

Decades earlier this woman would have cheated on her short husband and would have justified having someone else kid as making a favor to the marriage for having a "better" kid. Now they know husband can test paternity, so she decides to outright ask like if it is the most natural thing in the world.

[–]libertypole 8 points9 points  (0 children)

wow. that's the rare type of story you hear after someone committed suicide where your first thought is yeah i can see that.

[–]nomad-oz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

His wife is absolutely right that his children should be taller.

He should demand that a 6' model be the egg donor.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He should've said this, wait a few seconds for the wife to process her own hypocrisy, then divorce her.

[–]BrenzoG 6 points7 points  (0 children)

5 4' master race!!!!! ;)

Fuck that bitch you deserve better, you're successful hahaha. You can have whatever you want. She sounds like a terrible person, Ask her if you can fuck someone else because she isn't (insert bullshit unchangeable fact) and you want your kids to be more like that haha.

[–]theozoph 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In the past I've told her about my insecurities - the way some girls have treated me because of my height, as you do when you trust someone. [emphasis mine]

Take it home, put it in your pipe and smoke it, gentlemen of TRP : never, ever, EVER reveal your insecurities or weaknesses to your SO.

She's not in this for you.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

"Excellent Idea honey, maybe i should fuck a taller girl to insure our children are much taller and bigger just the way you like"

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Or, as somebody replied in the actual thread:

"Maybe we should get an egg donor because of your A-cup boobs."

[–]TaiserLaser 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There is literally no reason to get married if not to raise your own child

[–]kingofcrob 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would suggest getting a divorce

[–]Riddick_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

How about he gets a new wife because she's stupid. "sweety?" WTF

[–]dotme 6 points7 points  (2 children)

My cousin in law is 5'4" and his son is almost 6' or more. There is this thing called milk, older Asian males didn't get that luxury when were young.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

How do you know he didn't get cucked?

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Man, that's fucking cold.

Hilarious, but cold.

[–]RedVladimir 20 points21 points  (0 children)

What makes it even colder is how utterly oblivious she was. It was inherently subconscious.

Hypergamy is women's constant autopilot.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would have turned to her straight face and suggested that I manually donate my sperm to my hot coworker.

[–]nomorelulu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's probably the worst thing I've ever heard a woman say, especially considering that it's a wife speaking directly to (and about) her husband. Utterly shocking and disgusting. That's gonna be one ugly marriage/cuck/divorce.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you fucking kidding me? If a chick said anything like this to me I'd leave her immediately. Is there any universe where he wouldn't be looking over his shoulder in a couple years wondering if the kids are actually his?

[–]Acx3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yet another classic example of why you should never share your weaknesses and insecurities with a woman. Ostensibly she wants to know more about you to establish an intimate connection, however whether she is aware of it or not, she will often use that information in the future to manipulate and it will cause her to question your leadership. It's a form of political maneuvering that is carried out by her unconscious (sometimes conscious) Machiavellian nature. One thing I learned from the 48 laws of power is that people who openly deny the usage of deceptive means to achieve their ends can be the most dangerous. They create the illusion that relationships are devoid of a political atmosphere and it is our naive trust and inactivity towards counter-measures which causes our downfall. The people who profess an abhorrence for mind games often seen on r/relationships are the very ones who carry them out with impunity.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Man the thought of having a women say this after I've already been legally bound to her shook me right to my core. Nightmare fuel right there.

[–]superyay 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As tech n9ne once said "don't be pillow talking"

[–]bluedrygrass 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The sheer.... violence of this shocks me.

Xomynx never ceases to amaze.

Just imagine, for a second, a man, married with his lovely woman, cuddling in bed after sex, suggesting they should use surrogacy maternity (not sure this is the appropriate terminology, you get the idea, rented uterus) because she failed to graduate, or she's morbidly obese (it's genetics!), or she's... too short. Or she has diabetes.

Imagine, for a second. The front pages a story like this would reach. The outrage it would generate.

The pure, distillated, explosive rage it would generate on the wife.

Nothing to add, except most women are beasts.

[–]brokenshelf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fun Fact: The vast majority (maybe all? Not sure) of American Presidents have been at least 6 feet tall. The amount of respect, admiration and faith that people put on taller individuals, while withholding from shorter folks, is a very real thing. Just the way the world works.

[–]StarDestinyGuy 19 points20 points  (14 children)

As a short guy (5'7") who has struggled with his height throughout most of his life this thread actually hit me really hard

[–]nouveaugosse 23 points24 points  (7 children)

No one should be giving you any shit at 5'7''.

[–]thedude122487 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Most people don't but some do (I'm also 5'7"). This one slut that hangs around my friends (who are her orbiters, which annoys the fuck out of me to no end because I wouldn't touch her with a 10 foot pole) always talks about how she loves tall guys.

So a group of us went to DC for about 4 days just to party. I rarely break frame around anybody but after listening to her bullshit drama for 3 days she was wearing my patience thin. She started shit testing me about my height. There aren't many buttons someone can push to legitimately piss me off, so I consider it a fine art of manipulation if someone who doesn't know me that well can manage to find one of those buttons. Directly emasculating me over my height is one of those buttons. She derrogatorily said something about me being a "little guy" at which point I responded, "How about I whip it out and show you who's little?"

Needless to say after a couple of months of being an asshole to her (without breaking frame), she drunkenly tells me that now that I have a smart phone, I should get SnapChat but that I have to promise to not save any of the pictures she sends to me. AWALT

[–]whoops_fap 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Anytime a girl shit tests me about my height I just say, "Sorry, I already have a girlfriend." All shit tests are veiled sexual attraction.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

One thing I love about TRP knowledge is this:

It keeps EVERYONE in check

In the past, there would be TRP type guys that would probably post and either have it get deleted or that and a ban.

Nowadays, you'll have a TRPer stumble on this, post it here, he'll get a few PMs and we will weed out the following:

Is he willing to stay a spineless coward? If he is, his life, but he shouldn't act surprised when she cucks him

Will he wise up, GTFO and retain his manhood. I can only imagine how many lives TRPers have saved from a lifetime of slavery and disrespect via preventative measures to the 100k we ALREADY have, but the lives being saved via these threads/PMs is no doubt just as staggering, maybe not as many, but influence wise....damn!

<3 my TRP bros!

[–]SuperSpicyBasil 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I can understand him pretending to be asleep. He needed time to let it stew and prevented himself from starting an argument that might make him look emotionally vulnerable (blue pill shouting match)

I feel bad for short guys. They're like fat women except they can't change. Ever. It's like hell on earth.

[–]scarletspider3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Shit like this really makes me sick

[–]C_D_O 3 points4 points  (0 children)

this reveals a lot about her subconscious

and dollars to donuts she is either planning to cheat on him, or is already cheating on him.

[–]crosenblum 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would walk away.

Yes, women are evil when it comes to any guy who isn't tall dark, handsome, well hung.

So screw em!

[–]-Luthe- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's a great lesson to be learned here: never admit weakness to a woman. When she asks you to share, to open up, to be vulnerable (usually right after sex), don't do it. You'd be better served telling her to fuck off than you would telling her any insecurities you have. That shit will not win you points with her; it is only a shit test designed to test if there are any chips in your rock.

Women want the best genes for their offspring. This guy admitted to her that an aspect of his genes has been a weakness of his.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

At first, I thought "well at least she's honest." That's something you don't see everyday from a woman.

After further contemplation, I realized that this is more of a reflection of out society. Women feel so comfortable bringing this us because they really have nothing to fear. Female primacy is so blantant that some women don't even bother hiding the AF/BB strategy.

[–]Redpillc0re 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How come he did not suggest they take tall blond blueeyed donor eggs too?

[–]dennislang 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She could not have taken AF/BB any further.

"Sweety, sure you can provide for me and our children but it won't be your kids you're raising. I'm sure you understand"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Immediately divorce her before she can milk anything else from you. Height means nothing. I know short guys who get plenty of action.

[–]pcadrian 8 points8 points [recovered]

He shot himself in the foot by opening up his insecurity to his wife. I bet if he kept his mouth shut, owned his shit and acted confident, his wife wouldn't ask for a sperm donor. The wife is just acting like any other woman who finds herself with a lesser man. He did it to himself.

Everybody who is mad at the wife is still stuck deep in the blue pill mindset. I'm reading some of these comments... Wake the fuck up people. You dont deserve to have offspring just because you were born. Becoming a man worthy of having his genes passed on takes work.

[–]NightGod 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Personally, I'm mad at the wife for being such a callous bitch. My disgust at him for acting insecure is completely separate from that.

[–]newls 2 points3 points  (1 child)

She was being a woman. Brutal callousness is typical behaviour for a woman towards a man she no longer respects. It shocks many men especially when a woman drops the months-long act of cuteness and love and reveals her true feelings. The manifestation of their girlfriends' true characters drives a lot of men to TRP.

Evolutionarily speaking why should she respect him? He offers her no pleasure or status, only his money and resources, which he'd give to her without question anyway. In fact he probably damages her status within her social group because of his height relative to the men her girlfriends are married to. He represents BB and he is so pathetic and house trained that there's little chance he'll turn away as long as she keeps offering duty sex.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbicepsblastingstud 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, yes and no.

For the most part I agree wholeheartedly. If you want to be respected, you need to be somebody worthy of that respect. Nobody is going to give it to you for free.

However, his wife putting her dissatisfaction with him baldly out into the open like that was an exceptionally shitty thing to do.

[–]68461674897051454980 14 points15 points  (5 children)

"I love you so much and I want to know everything about you moments."

never do this

After a few seconds of silence she says "sweety?" and looks up at me. I close my eyes instantly and present to be asleep.

or this. don't be a bitch and let things slide like that, that's why she's saying them

On the plus side for this whiny beta manlet, there are injections they can give children to make them grow taller so if she did let him finally nut in her instead of his own hand, his kids could be ~normal height

[–]squarehead93 4 points5 points  (2 children)

On the plus side for this whiny beta manlet

Really dude? What does him being short have to do with him being beta? Yes, he's beta, but you're associating that with his height, or at least assuming his shortness makes him and even more pathetic.

You're almost as dumb as the people upvoting you.

[–]steelerfaninperu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or, you could just raise your children to be self-confident autonomous individuals whose height doesn't bother them.

Shame that'll be pretty much impossible with a discriminating wife who values a few inches in height over another person's well-being.

[–]foldpak111 6 points7 points  (8 children)

If a woman is under 5'7" and has a problem with short men, she should tie her tubes and stop contributing to the so called problem. Oh, almost forgot; 5'5" MANLET WITH A 9/10 COMLOMBIAN GF CHECKING IN YOU MAD FEMINISTS?

[–]7hunderpants 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It was a huge mistake to marry, get a divorce. She does not love you,otherwise she would not have said this.

[–]frys180 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This makes me question myself because I see everyone here displaying very strong emotions. So I read this. And to be honest, if this were to happen to me, I wouldn't really feel too affected by it. I'd just ask her "what makes you think of that?" And wait for a response to hear her deeper reasoning.

Interestingly, I'm 5'5 and also have a GF of 4 years. If she said this to me, (Which I highly doubt she would) I'd just be picking at her brain to see where that stimulus came from.

The part in which I question myself comes from seeing how strongly others would react. Almost everyone here is deeply disturbed by this woman. Yet I feel, and would feel if it were me, relatively calm. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If I were you, I would leave her, impregnate a midget and ask if she could baby-sit sometimes.

[–]1kick6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

n the past I've told her about my insecurities - the way some girls have treated me because of my height, as you do when you trust someone.

No. As a woman does.

[–]dickinlipss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is proof that women are as autistic as you are willing to let them go. If you're beta that's pretty fucking far.

[–]Anderfail 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am fucking dying here at this post. Any man who even has to ask a question about this is not worthy of respect, it's not at all a surprise why his wife sees him as a pathetic loser.

Also, I know this will rankle some people here but the reality is that genetics DO matter. You can act like god's gift to women and do everything right, but women will still drop you in a heartbeat for someone like Chris Hemsworth, who is tall, good looking, and muscular. I'm not saying you shouldn't try, but if you have inferior genetics, then you're going to have a handicap in comparison to others. It isn't fair, but that's fucking life, so you can choose to deal with it or not.

[–]Semper_I 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey Hunny, so I was totally not thinking about this before and waiting until we were all hopped up on dopamine to ask but Sperm donor? I actually have this totally gay friend I've like known forever from work who offered to help, you could watch of coarse. I'd hate for our kids to end up like...ya know...you.

Any Chick that drops some Machiavellian plot twist right after sex should plant a large red flag right at your feet. Damage is already done. Any height issues he may or may not have had will totally go away now. /s

Put her in her place... outside.

[–]DevilishRogue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've said it elsewhere I may as well say it here too. The RP response from the guy has to be "If you're worried about height, we can have a donor egg from a tall woman instead of using your own."

[–]MFBull 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is anyone else infuriated FOR this guy? His wife is such a bitch holy shit.

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