Rant/VentingLesson learned: If a woman asks how much you make, break it off ASAP. (self.TheRedPill)

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Thread is closed, this is the internet. I don't care what you think about me I was just sharing my experience. Believe me or not, it makes no difference.

My gf broke up with me yesterday and the reason I understood is because I don't have a job and she thinks I am broke.

I am an engineering student(my parents set me up with a college fund that pays all of my expenses) and I have saved and invested my money wisely my whole life and I am proud of my current financial situation. If I follow my current plan I will be buying my first house before I turn 25.

The day we broke up she pushed very hard to see how much money I have and how I make money but I stuck to the advice my dad taught me to never tell anyone how much you make/have. She couldn't understand why I did not want to tell her and kept saying I should tell her since shes my GF. Her reasoning for why I should tell her how much money I have is because she is my GF.

I should have broken up with her on the spot. Instead she broke up with me less than 2 hours later by text.

She told me I have no job, no motivation and no life goals and that she deserves better.

I didn't even try to argue against it because I know that I deserve better. This made her very upset and today she messaged me saying she misses me.

I didn't reply and I won't be talking to her again.

Lesson learned: If a woman asks how much you make, break it off ASAP.

Update: thanks to everyone with kind words. She messaged me while today saying she has reconsidered and would like to try again. No thanks, no reply.

To everyone saying I'm beta or she thinks I'm beta, im not going to argue with you because that's beta and because any of the arguments I could use will just sound like I'm lying and trying to impress a bunch of people online.

Other important lesson(I think I heard it on TRP first): never emotionally invest yourself more into a relationship than she has invested herself.

Update two: If you think I'm less of a man because I have a successful dad then you're fucking inbred. This girl is 18, I am 21 and if you can't get over the fact that some people in this world are set up better than others for whatever reason then you may as well kill yourself now because you're never going to survive.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 153 points154 points  (31 children)

This reminds me of a story...

A few years back, Scott Baio (from the television show Charles in Charge) was a guest on Howard Stern's radio show. As you may or may not know, Scott Baio is one of one of Hollywood's most notorious womanizers. He himself estimates that he's had sex with over a thousand women in his life. He's dated Pamela Anderson, Erika Eleniak, Nicole Eggert, Natalie Raitano, Nicolette Sheridan, Denise Richards, Julie McCullough, and Heather Locklear to name a few. At one point he was temporarily banned from the Playboy Mansion because he was hooking up with too many Playmates... some of whom were involved with Hugh Hefner at the time.

Anyways, while being interviewed by Howard Stern, he was asked to rank the sexual skills of the famous women he slept with on a scale of 1 to 10. Some of the women, like Heather Locklear and Beverly D'Angelo, ranked 10 on the scale.

Denise Richards only ranked a 3, and Scott mentioned that while they were having sex she kept asking him how much money he made.

Gold diggers gonna gold dig.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (13 children)

heather locklear... of course she was 10/10

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 23 points24 points  (6 children)

In the interview, Scott referred to Heather Locklear as the best lover he's ever had. He also called her "the one that got away."

Sounds like Scott still had a bit of Oneitis for her even though they broke up years before the interview.

[–]steelerfaninperu 86 points87 points  (4 children)

In fairness, Oneitis for Heather Locklear in her prime is understandable.

[–]martypete 23 points23 points [recovered]

even Spin City Locklear was a solid 9

[–]Philhelm 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I was thinking the exact same thing. She must have been in her 40's when she was on Spin City, but was easily hotter than most women in their 20's. It's almost supernatural; perhaps she bathes in the blood of virgins.

[–]_eskimo_brothers_ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Locklear is just now starting to show her age I think. Even 10 years ago she was probably a 9. She's now 53! Still though, she's in better shape than probably 90% of women her same age. Genetic goldmine too.

Speaking of - her daughter is a 10/10 too. And after looking up her birthday - she's currently 17.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Interesting... she always struck me as the dumb blonde bimbo who had her looks going for her and wasn't even that great in bed because of that.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Tommy Lee from Motley Crue was married to Heather Locklear for a while. In Motley Crue's autobiography The Dirt, Tommy recalls that the first time he and Heather had sex she let him take Polaroid photographs. The next morning in the studio Tommy showed them to the other members of his band to prove to them that he'd just banged Heather Locklear.

So apparently she isn't as prudish as you'd think.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Some of the women, like Heather Locklear and Beverly D'Angelo, ranked 10 on the scale.

They both have that vibe about them too.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

hey both have that vibe about them

Was gonna say: based on some D'Angelo's films, I imagine she'd be tons of fun in the sack.

[–]1mojo_juju 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Denise Richards only ranked a 3, and Scott mentioned that while they were having sex she kept asking him how much money he made.

Well duh mate, it's pretty crucial factor to a golddigger's ability to orgasm. For a lot of women, orgasm requires an incredible amount of mental comfortability before they can have one. Goldies are no different... Just... Different.

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[–]coffee_and_lumber 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Liberalism is an inherently beta political mindset

The graph for my transformation from liberal to conservative looks about the same as the one for my change from beta-ness to alpha-ness.

90-something percent of the liberals on my Facebook stream are constantly posting either 1) Social justice outrage du jour or 2) Posts about how they can't seem to keep their life in order (asking others if they know about jobs, or if anyone knows a place they can live, or complaining about how hard life is).

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've experienced the same thing. It seems like the vast majority of guys I know on Facebook whom I would describe as betas and omegas have liberal political views. Particularly my brother and his circle of friends; they are all far-left liberal (some even openly identify as socialists), and they are all super beta pansies.

Meanwhile, it seems like most of the guys I know who are alpha have either conservative or libertarian political views.

Although there are exceptions. A lot of the religious conservative guys I know are beta to the max. And I know a few omega fedora-wearing neckbeards who identify as libertarian. But for the most part it does seem like betas gravitate towards liberalism while alphas gravitate towards conservatism or libertarianism.

[–]AllKindsOfPills 567 points568 points  (121 children)

"No job/motivation/life goals" yet you're an engineering student?! You should have dumped her; not for being a gold-digger, but for being a moron.

[–]HeinousFu_kery 136 points137 points  (95 children)

This often goes hand in hand, though not so much a moron and more the opportunist. Telling women you're not made of money is a pretty good filter for the lazy and the gold-diggers (to paraphrase Machiavelli: "You won't go broke maintaining a reputation as a person of careful expenditure").

I've seen some otherwise-brilliant women play this game (the standard motto is "You can marry more in five minutes than you can earn in 50 years"). Of course then they complain about being oppressed and having a meaningless life.

Smart, interesting women are busy making their own lives and careers rather than trying to find their way into someone else's prospectus like they've been told to do by Cosmo and the sorority house.

They're worth finding, but if all you've done is pump iron and hang in bars they may not be very interested in you - time to up the overall game.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 51 points52 points  (4 children)

When I met my wife, I was a poor, struggling freelancer (unemployed). And yep, she had plenty of background and accomplishments herself and didn't seem worried a bit about my situation. Turned out, I parlayed my diverse freelance experience into a really solid full time gig and now make more money than ever.

If she were fretting about my money situation from the get-go, she would quite likely not be in my life now.

[–]SoldierGenerale 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Exactly, smart girls can see the potential in a guy and will choose to stick with him.

Your wife made a good decision and honestly it's OP's fault for not screening better.

[–]Stormhammer 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Also, college girls. Some are stupidly shallow.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My GF was essentially carrying me while I dumped money in my business because she believed in me. (can never be 100% sure, but I'm strongly of the opinion that it wasn't "belief," but real).

Of course she's excited that it's going to slingshot me into earning much, much more money, but she understands what it takes to get there. Very supportive of my goals.

[–]Modredpillschool 41 points42 points  (88 children)

But who wants a career woman? I think if a woman is going to fullfill the wife/stay-at-home mom role, it's important for her to filter for somebody financially stable.

Obviously avoid gold diggers, but if you are looking for LTR material, somebody financially independent and career-driven doesn't exactly sound like good mate material.

[–]1independentmale 51 points52 points  (10 children)

Unfortunately, I don't think many stay at home mothers are happy these days. I know quite a few - my ex wife was a "full time mommy" and hung out with a lot of women in the same boat. A full half of my coworkers have stay at home wives. I don't see much appreciation for the easy life their husbands provide for them.

The ones I've met are bitchy and moody. They dump the kids on hubby as soon as he walks in the door because they "deserve some time off." No consideration for the long day he just put in at work, in fact they're delusional to the point where they actually believe they're doing the harder job. See Bill Burr's rant on "the hardest job in the world."

They rarely do their part and consider the man a total shitlord for expecting a clean house and/or dinner on the table. A coworker of mine frequently shows up tired and stressed out, explaining that he had another long night with the baby. His stay at home wife "needs her sleep" or she'll be "too tired to parent", so she expects her husband to get up every time the baby cries. The guy who has to be at work and on top of his game at 8am every morning, the one who puts the roof over their heads and food on the table and his sleep is less important than the woman who can (and does) nap twice a day? Where's the respect?

These women quickly tire of their mundane lives and tend to blame their husbands for their unhappiness. When the divorce does come, the husband of a stay at home mommy gets fucked. Here's the narrative: She sacrificed her career and raised the kids by herself. Therefore you're going to pay for her to continue doing this as long as it takes and then some. Good luck seeing your kids, if she's feeling generous you might get them every other weekend.

You're right, though: The alternative isn't that great, either. I put in 15 years with the stay at home and now I've got a "strong independent career women" for an LTR. She comes with a whole different set of problems. I haven't decided if her particular brand of bullshit is better or worse.

[–]whats_the_deal22 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Love that Bill Burr rant. "You're playing hide and seek in your pajamas at 30 years old, you're living the dream!"

[–]Modredpillschool 26 points27 points  (4 children)

I mean even the word "strong" here falls under the feminist narrative that they're trying to compete with men. It just doesn't pass the boner test for me. I don't know too many "strong" independent women that could win in a fight, so they're not physically strong. And if we use the term to mean strong willed, well that just translates to bitchy in my book. If a woman won't follow my lead, she's not a keeper.

[–]PlebDestroyer 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Traditionalism is the driving force behind male slavery. It was better back then, but it was never a good deal.

[–]Modredpillschool 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Any time you get involved with a woman, you subject yourself to potential male slavery. There's a group of guys looking to avoid such an event- MGTOW

[–]captainramen 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I don't see much appreciation for the easy life their husbands provide for them.

If it's easy then they're doing it wrong. Raising kids right is a full time job.

If I had to guess, these women are actually sitting on their fat asses watching TV all day. As I'm sure the rest of us has discovered, being active (e.g., exercise) makes you more energetic, not less.

[–]1independentmale 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If it's easy then they're doing it wrong.

I have to disagree. Yes, it's a full time job, but it's the easiest full time job I've ever seen.

I've been a single father for a few years now and this shit is cake. I feed my son, play with him, do our laundry, clean our home, take him to & from activities, keep him on task with chores and homework, help with said homework, talk to him, teach him things and so on. I also work a full time job, run a small business and do everything else a man has to do to maintain a household: fixing things that break, keeping the yard looking nice, doing various improvement projects, etc.

If I could quit my job, shut down my business and only have the kid and a few piddly household chores to do... I can't even imagine how easy that life would be and how much free time I'd have. None of this domestic stuff even begins to compare to my job, neither in complexity, stress, or just pure balls out hard fucking work. So I have no respect for women who complain about living such a privileged fucking life and how "hard" it is.

We should celebrate a good woman who stays at home and raises the children, no doubt, but it's high time we called them on their shit: They're not working all that hard. They're sure as hell not working harder than the guy who brings home the paycheck. They're living lives of privilege because we're willing to do the real work. I'm fine with that arrangement, but I expect some appreciation.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm willing to bet they have the kid in daycare or something half the day too so really they're raising the kids as a part-time job which they foist on the man when he gets home after she's spent maybe 4 hours of 'work'.

[–]LaconicHistrionic 21 points21 points [recovered]

Not everyone wants a stay-at-home wife type relationship. I'd prefer someone I can talk to that has interesting things they're working towards compared to someone who just listens to me all the time.

[–]Modredpillschool 30 points31 points  (27 children)

And more power to you if you can find that. My only warning is that career women don't make good LTRs. Further, many non-career women can hold a conversation just fine.

You want somebody who is aggressive and competitive in the workforce, more power to you. Just don't expect more than the most casual fling from her. You're dreaming if you think that's going to make wife material.

[–]ActuallyARaptor 31 points32 points  (10 children)

and you think a woman that stays at home all day fantasizing about God-knows-who, and leeching off your hard earned earnings is worth the risk of LTRing?

I'll take 5 failed LTR's with career women before I take 1 semi-successful relationship with a leech. No way I'm supporting a woman that don't support herself

[–]DexterousRichard 25 points26 points  (6 children)

If you want kids, it makes sense to find someone who wants to stay home, or at least isn't an ambitious man-wannabe.

Taking care of kids is a full time job, and they're far better off with a mother than with day care losses who have half your IQ and don't give a shit about the kids.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'll take 5 failed LTR's with career women before I take 1 semi-successful relationship with a leech. No way I'm supporting a woman that don't support herself

Women's "love" is parasitic, however, if she does all her womanly duties such as cooking, cleaning, washing the dishes, take care of the kids, attempts to remain attractive, follows your leadership, and is sexually available while not nagging, I wouldnt call her a leech, at least not in the conventional sense. Part of the male-female union is that the woman NEEDS the male. Remember Briffault's Law? Having an 'independent' woman makes the stability of an LTR much less likely. /u/redpillschool said the rest.

[–]1beerthroway 4 points5 points  (0 children)

All women leech. That is the essence of hypergamy. They mate/marry up and their value becomes that of the man they are with.

[–]truchisoft 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can also LTR career women who can work part-time, doctors for example can open their own practice and work it out when they have time. Also teachers, and even engineers.

[–]SoldierGenerale 11 points12 points  (13 children)

I met a gorgeous and highly successful lawyer that was an absolute shark in the workplace. The girl seemed like she wrote RP articles in her free-time, but she was super feminine and sweet when she was with me.

Aggressive and masculine girls will only become feminine if you can draw that side out of them. You need to be masculine enough to make her feel safe so she can let loose and expose her femininity.

Finding a hot and ambitious girl that's also very feminine is pretty rare but they are out there.

[–]Modredpillschool 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I don't doubt that they can exist- but understand that you're fishing in a shallow pond if you're looking for a woman who actively ignores her hypergamous nature. Can they exist? In theory. But let's just analyze the long-term probabilities of a woman who nearly prices herself out of the market- she wants the top 10% of the top 10%.

Even when you're one of the few in that bracket, it's not an easy catch to keep. And when you realize you're looking for something long term, the the juice just isn’t worth the squeeze in my opinion.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I'm seeing a lawyer right now, well she's in her last year. Im out of shape, I dont make much money, only redeeming quality I guess I have is I do stand up comedy. I'm not particularly good either, not getting paid to do it yet really. She pays for most shit, and basically gave me a car. Im okay looking but like I said im way outa shape tho.

Ya this chick is hot ambitious, very feminine, and I can talk to her about whatever. Just on paper I want to marry this chick.

[–]SoldierGenerale 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Exactly, being a fun guy that's comfortable with himself is an extremely redeeming quality. Women are way less superficial than guys in that regard.

I for instance will never date a girl that isn't drop-dead gorgeous.

[–]fortwaltonbleach 13 points13 points [recovered]

that's why there are other men.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

But who wants a career woman? I think if a woman is going to fullfill the wife/stay-at-home mom role, it's important for her to filter for somebody financially stable

There is a huger problem with this type of mentality.

The "all I want is to be a mom, I will be stay at home and take care of the kids", mentality that the girls get at an early age means that she will do slightly more than the bare minimum to take care of the kid, then the rest of the time she will just have an easy life and hang out with her friends in similar situations and go shopping, with your money. With the kid in the stroller. But she will claim that its hard work being a mom, so she is entitled to your money.

The fact that society, at least in US afaik, places such importance on having a kid like its a huge accomplishment and being a mom is hard is what psychologically leads the women to validate this behavior, even when in reality its like they are on an extended vacation.

And then people wonder where are all these sluts and betas coming from. If what I described above is the family arrangement, its pretty clear to see why these things happen.

And also from here, this is where a good portion of the cheating problems start if they are ever going to happen - the guy is away most of the day working hard, and if the wife isn't over her desire for romance, she will be tempted to go out and find excitement in younger guys.

If she was to put in her equal share of effort, then she would actually be putting in the same amount of work into raising the kid and maintaining the house as you would in your career. This means that every day would be dedicated to playing/educating the kid, taking him outdoor places like parks and beaches, and letting the kid get excersize, explore and play around safely. And then on the weekends, she could have some free time to hangout with friends.

And Im willing to bet that very few of us can find an example of a stay at home mom that does just that.

And if you want to find a woman like that, you need to find one that isn't afraid of and used to hard work, which pretty much means that she has to has a pretty successful job which she worked to get. And likewise, if she wants kids and wants to stay at home, she could easily save her income for a fund to cover some expenses.

[–]chrisindub 16 points17 points  (37 children)

I disagree with this comment more than anything I have ever read on TRP.

You want a woman who is ambitious and successful for a LTR.

You want to find the best DNA for your offspring.

What woman is better DNA for your children than one who is smart, attractive, and successful?

If you think you don't have strong game to handle an LTR with a strong woman, I think that speaks more to you needing to step up your game.

I am a general surgeon, and my wife who I married a year ago is in media marketing and makes more money than I do.

She is prefers to have a strong dominant caveman type male like myself, honestly I think all women do.

But don't just assume that because a woman is smart, attractive and successful, that you can't fulfill that role for her.

You don't always need to date someone stupid to control them.

"Wife/Stay-at-home mom role."

You don't want a wife, you want a house pet. Lol.

Throughout the history of relationships, marriage has been about joining families, making powerful alliances.

The goal was to create a legacy and a strong, powerful family. Strong families have daughters who run companies.

These women are your target. This is how to win the game. Its not about satisfying your insecurity. Its about getting the absolute best mate that you can.

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[–]Modredpillschool 30 points31 points  (9 children)

You want a woman who is ambitious and successful for a LTR.

You want to find the best DNA for your offspring.

Complete and utter nonsense- you find a woman who is successful and she already wasted her birthing years to medical school or getting her MBA.

If you think you don't have strong game to handle an LTR with a strong woman, I think that speaks more to you needing to step up your game.

If you want to deal with endless shit tests and an unqualified sense of entitlement from a woman who believes her degree increases her value in the sexual market place- help yourself... nobody else wants them.. - wallstreetjournal.com

I'm not saying find yourself a good-for-nothing chick who can't cook. I'm telling you that you're in for a world of surprise when you realize how deeply entrenched in blue pill thinking you are for thinking the feminist-deemed positive qualities are actually positives for women. They're not men, if you needed to be reminded.

In the mean time, I will find the next hot young thing and get all her best years out of her. And she'll make great children. And she'll actually be around to raise them.

Or do you think kids don't need moms any more?

Its not about satisfying your insecurity. Its about getting the absolute best mate that you can.

I mean you seem to be projecting a bit here, I'm not the one bragging about my job on here.

[–]ogCOLE 8 points9 points  (11 children)

I am a general surgeon...strong dominant caveman type male like myself

You went to medical school and your calling yourself a caveman? Strong with the humbleness you are.

[–]werehusky 12 points13 points  (4 children)

He's a general surgeon; if he wasn't a caveman he would have went ENT/Plastics/Uro.

[–]SoldierGenerale 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I'm in medical school and used to be a national boxing champion.

What's your point?

[–]ogCOLE 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Just saying I don't think caveman when I think of the guy that cuts people open to fix what's inside of them for a living, you know? That's all.

[–]SoldierGenerale 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I was just pointing out that being smart isn't exclusive to being beta.

Some of the doctors I know are alfa as fuck and will bang most of the interns and nurses they get.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

"No job/motivation/life goals" is code for, "You need to have millions of dollars to support my addiction to various luxuries, most of whichy have no use value whatsoever! or else you're not REEEEEAAALLL MAAAAANNNNNN."

[–]laere 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I could smell her desperation to secure OP as her BB through the computer screen.

[–]craylash 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Maybe she wasn't up for the long con.

[–]Elodrian 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Phase 1 of a long con is finding the mark.

[–]orographic 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Anytime a girl uses terms like ambition or motivation they mean money. She dumped him because even though OP might be wealthy in the future, he isn't wealthy NOW. Women aren't interested in growing with men anymore. They are only interested in men who are already successful.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Briffault's Law, corollary 3:

A promise of future benefit [engineer student] has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given

[–]darkrood 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Well compare to the Chad Thundercock Jr. III, OP is lucky that he ever went out with her. Just an engineering student. Chad has his family name on one of the campus building. His uncle had a fucking statue for his donation and bravery in the war. He catches everyone's eyes at the party, has a mansion by the beach, and is only 22 years old!!!

So, yea, OP better shape up

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 19 points20 points  (0 children)

And he's already banged her three times! Surely he will soon ask her to marry him!

[–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 7 points8 points  (0 children)


Lol, she did OP such a favor.

I look broke as a joke too... I don't work. Smoke medical weed all day.

But I've been a millionaire twice (Engineer as well. And if you wonder, divorce and recession) and I've been living off savings and selling my previous accumulation of materialistic stuff for the past 5 years.

Sell a car a year (still have 4 left) and most of my gold jewelry in 2011-2012. Still have a watch collection to sell and some race engines and random shit.

BUT... my biz partner and I have an app out, shopping the framework to companies and we just launched our newest business. I'm going to be a multi-millionaire in another year, again. [Sure as fuck ain't gettin married this time]

But until then, I'll keep driving to dates in my broke ass lookin 15y/o Toyota work-vehicle, fuck them gold diggers.

[–]Iramohs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This same shit happened to me last year. I'm graduating in a month with a Bachelors in IT but because I decided to commute to school(saving about 10 grand a year in the process) I'm "immature."

[–]mryddlin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was a shit test and he passed it.

Leaving her behind is the smart move.

[–]DoobleXL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This isn't about his job, this is about her making an excuse for dumping him because she just didn't like him.

[–]greatGoD67 81 points82 points  (4 children)

Anyone in it for the money will leave when the money is gone. It is as simple as that.

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (0 children)

And the money will be gone quick if a gold digger has their hands on it.

[–]3409852034 16 points16 points [recovered]

I read a quote somewhere: "If you want people to leave you alone, tell them you're broke."

True friends and a quality woman will support you through temporary financial setbacks. All others will scatter as if you have the plague. Golddiggers will leave because there's no point. Social stigma will scare off the rest.

Actually, this may be a good test to float at the one month mark to see if the girl you are dating is a quality woman. OP dodged a bullet.

[–]ChristopherBurr 79 points80 points  (14 children)

I have a good career working for banks and hedge funds in the technology space. I've worked for a lot of the investment banks and financial firms that you've either heard of or are "to big to fail".

When I was in my mid 30's, I owned my own home, had a great gig, and found myself dating again. I too would never discuss my income with others. OP's dad is completely right. It's none of their business. Anyway, I'd been on one or two dates with a woman and when I picked her up at her place to take her out, she wanted to have a discussion with me; here's how it went:

Her: "So, I know that you have your own home, and you have a maid service come in once a week to clean the place. I also looked up your job title and company to see what kind of income you make .. and I really think this is going to work out. I think we can have a great lifestyle together".

Now, this is someone who makes 35K a year. Essentially she was saying that she felt that I made enough to provide her with the lifestyle she wanted.

Me: "That's great to hear"

I'm not stupid. I kept the plate spinning for a few months before getting rid of the baggage.

[–]MGTOW_player 67 points68 points  (3 children)

Those women are too funny. These women hitting the Epiphany Phase want you to "prove" your value to them by what you can buy them or give them materially. And most of these girls do some shit like fold clothes for a living!

My go-to response for the gold digging whores is:

"If I have to pay for sex, I'm hiring a professional." - Tom Leykis

[–]destraht 20 points21 points  (2 children)

In Ukraine I figure that having a girlfriend costs me about $150-200 a month, maybe less now with the UAH so low and depending on the woman. So I look basically at their cooking skills as a way to lower that money down to something like $50 or so. I think that women will always take up some amount of resources.

[–]MGTOW_player 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's quite cheap. Third-world girls have always brought me good value. Nice to hear the poor white countries bring the goods.

[–]68461674897051454980 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I also looked up your job title and company to see what kind of income you make .. and I really think this is going to work out. I think we can have a great lifestyle together

how stupid does she have to be to say this? I don't know how you kept a straight face... lmao

[–]2Overkillengine 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Think about how many men out there are so thirst enslaved that they'd take that sort of treatment just to get even a whiff of pussy.

Too damn many. It's not surprising how many women get mentally fat from not having to work for attention.

[–]bluedrygrass 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Women are borderline autistic

[–]1theoctopuss 20 points21 points  (2 children)

You can almost feel the climax of emotion she felt when she said that.

[–]ChristopherBurr 25 points26 points  (1 child)

yea, it was crazy; like she came to this conclusion that it was OK for HER to lock me down .. never mind my opinion on the matter.

[–]steelerfaninperu 63 points64 points  (12 children)

Good on you OP.

I had a similar experience with a chick. I'm an American living in Peru, so people automatically assume I'm Bill Gates rich and have tons of money. I was teaching English in a two-bit private school, and was nearly broke. Still, this girl would NOT stop asking me about money.

She one time even posited that I must have at least $10k stashed away somewhere and that I'm pretending to be broke. She really wanted to believe in the rich American that would lead her to the USA where she could be fucked by even more Chad Thundercocks.

We broke up shortly after she showed incredible ingratitude on a $100 dinner out to eat (which for me was quite an expense). I offered to take her to a nice hotel (another $150) and she said no because she was on the rag. She later told me she thought I was being 'cheap' that night.

[–]Vigilo_Infinite 20 points21 points  (8 children)

Being on her period has never been a good excuse IMHO. I don't give a fuck. Call it out for what it is: an excuse.

[–]foldpak111 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Women use that as an excuse to try and get away with shit. It's hilarious when they first meet opposition with me, because all the so called men from her past didn't have the testosterone to put her in her place.

[–]balamb 1 point2 points  (2 children)

She could at least suck it all night long.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She later told me she thought I was being 'cheap' that night.

Translation: I'm entitled to the hypergamous dream of wealth by association. How could you deprive a woman of money like that? I exist god damnit!

[–]LUClEN 116 points117 points  (18 children)

I notice that a lot of women claim to want a "motivated" or "ambitious" man. This seems to be code for wealthy.

[–]Skink_in_trees_shade 56 points57 points  (8 children)

They just want the ape at the top of the social pecking order. Wealth is merely one form of status among many others, such as popularity, physical dominance, etc. A lot of women seem to consider themselves very sophisticated and mature for pursuing wealthy ("ambitious" and "motivated") men rather than Chad Thundercocks like all the other girls. They strut around with their noses in the air feeling that they, as strong, independent women, are entitled to a wealthy and successful "real" man. Of course, these strong, independent women are not the female equivalent of gentlemen, willing to care and provide for a man poorer than they are -- those women don't exist, which is one of the many hypocrisies of feminism.

I hate how everyone talks in euphemisms when discussing female sexuality.
"Confident" == socially dominant
"Ambitious" and "motivated" == wealthy and/or authoritative

There are probably other examples, but I can't think of them right now.

[–]momomotorboat 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Exactly. I've fucked girls when I was broke as hell and they knew it, but they liked the 'take-charge' attitude I had. A lot of girls repeat what they hear without thinking too deeply about what the words mean (shocking, right?!?!). In your interactions you'll see if it's merely money or alpha behavior they're talking about.

[–]foldpak111 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Young women don't give a fuck about your finances. They've got orbiters and parents that do that for them.

[–]Skink_in_trees_shade 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I don't believe that's true. Women aren't attracted to rich guys purely for their money, but the status it grants them. Attraction is a primitive, instinctive behaviour, not something conscious. A young woman would gravitate to a rich nerd because of his "rich guy" status, even if she doesn't need the money. He will be the envy of other men, and she will sense that.

[–]momomotorboat 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My experience tells me otherwise.

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[–]darkrood 19 points20 points  (0 children)

In Asia, the words Asian women use are "responsible" and "hard working"


[–]robo23 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Of course they do. Women want security. And to women, money equals security. Ambition and motivation are qualities that go along with making money, or at the very least signal security. Women want to be protected and secured.

I'm graduating from medical school in a week - when girls find out that I'm about to be a doctor they drop their panties at supersonic speed. It's absolutely absurd. The plates that I've had cling on to me like their life depends on it, and I haven't made a dollar in four years and will be working for less than minimum wage for the next three years at least during residency. But they love the idea that I've been a hard working, motivated guy who has the potential to make $300k+ a year. I can't tell you how many tears I've seen when I break things off with them. They are attracted to that sense of security far more than my looks, which are only slightly above average to be entirely honest. And it's all a sense and a specter - I haven't been able to offer them anything real at all except the potential of the future and a good fuck. That's just how young women work. Older women my age are different - they want something established. Many of them have big rocks on their left hand. But it is the exact same principle.

[–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I notice that a lot of women claim to want a "motivated" or "ambitious" man. This seems to be code for wealthy.

I love how tolerant feminists are over this practice. That kinda shit is what keeps setting their movement back.

That's fine, I don't date teachers and professions like that. I support feminism by dating women that make bank. Powerful women. Lawyers and doctors, executives.

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[–]TerriChris 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I agree. In my experience pretty, skinny, gold diggers are quarrelsome in general. The argument is to elicit your anger to share information that a calm mind would not share.

[–]Trisha_Hill 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Holy shit you are right :O

[–]Temptationn 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That is literally the text I sent to my ex, when she tried coming back in my life after 2 months of no contact. I was drunk saw her calling me a loser that will not be anything in life because "I only works out and smoke weed" so I told her how much I make a week, told her she'd never amount to me and finished it off by calling her a slut. Haven't talked since, I didn't mind losing frame since I was drunk and that I was done with her. I wish I saved the screen shots her friend also came at me and I was going off on both of them laughing because they thought I was being serious when I had a group of friends around me reading all the text.

[–]destraht 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Its better then that a new enemy doesn't know details but if he is completely done with her then her level of lust is irrelevant.

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[–]floppymammarygland 24 points24 points [recovered]

So you caught your woman pulling a deal-breaker and then you spoke of marriage later down the road.

yeah... about that

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[–]1User-31f64a4e 8 points9 points  (1 child)

One more reason not to cohabitate - it becomes impossible to secure your papers and effects.

[–]FateBender 31 points32 points  (2 children)

She told me I have no job, no motivation and no life goals and that she deserves better.

This made me cringe.... Hard...

[–]coffee_and_lumber 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Reminds me of that scene from Swingers where the guy hits on the girl at the party and the only thing she says is "what kind of car do you drive?"

Bitch, what kind of car do you drive? If your pussy is the best or most interesting thing about you, why do you think you deserve...anything?

[–]abdada 51 points52 points  (4 children)

You should say "You go first. Oh, that's all? We can't be together."

[–]wolfNshepherd 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I go the other way. I tell girls that I sell crack to children, but I dress up clean so they know I have money. Being tall, white, and having a vague homo aura works wonders in disarming people.

[–]trp_s 21 points22 points  (1 child)

My boss is a divorced middle-aged mom in her 40s and she's fairly attractive for her age. There are times when redpill truths are remarkably forthcoming from her. The other day, she mentioned how she didn't like it when guys told her how much they made on the first date because it removed the mystery for her.

Of course, that does imply she eventually wants to know how much they make, but she wants to get her tingles on first. It also implies that she's definitely assessing the men she dates on their provider value.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 53 points54 points  (24 children)

If a woman asks how much you make, break it off ASAP.

You can also respond with:

"I make XXX per year, I'm willing to spend XXX on you monthly. In exchange, I want sex X times per week, with the following sex acts performed with sufficient levels of enthusiasm: X, Y, Z. Do we have a deal?"

Then break if off after the she throws a fit of indignation and hurt feels.

[–]Jigsus 93 points94 points  (19 children)

Reminds me of the old joke:

"Will you sleep with me for a million dollars?"

Now the woman pauses and after some thought says "Yes, I will."

The man responds "How about for twenty dollars?"

The woman looks indignant and says "Of course not. What kind of a woman do you think I am?"

The man replies "I thought we just settled that. I was just negotiating the price."

[–]PlanB_pedofile 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I ran a similar line with awoman discussing modeling and how some moved into shooting nudes.

"I'll never get naked in front of the camera. I don't think I'll ever degrade myself like that"

"Usually models that shoot nudes start at $125 an hour and go up from there"

"Oh... I wouldn't mind making that much"

[–]1 TRP SupporterFred_Flintstone 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Its a Winston Churchill Quote I believe

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Churchill never actually said it. Good joke though.

[–]1 TRP SupporterFred_Flintstone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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[–]DickHeadSummationGuy 25 points26 points  (3 children)

You might not believe it, but I said something very similar to my SO after we'd been together a few years. She was complaining because every time she would come to my apartment I would tell her to either bring her own food or starve. I wasn't trying to be an asshole but I wasn't making great money at the time and I budgeted things to the T. When she said to me that she felt I was being "mean" or I was "wrong" for telling her not to eat my food I pretty much said, "I budget things tight around here. If anything, YOU are wrong for coming to my house and expecting to be able to eat up all of my food. Then I'd have to spend more unbudgeted money to replace that food. I'd be broke and you'd have another thing to complain about. How about you start sucking some dick without solicitation on my part? How about sucking some dick twice a day instead of twice a week? How about you bring yourself and another chick over. Do you see where I'm going? If you're not going to bring food or money and you're only bringing complaints to my place, what do you think my next move will be?"

[–]theozoph 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Gold-digging whore did throw a fit
Pestered, raged and got in a snit
But bluster does not move a true stoic
And gold-digging whore is left with shit

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 14 points15 points  (1 child)

We have a Chad Shakespeare here.

[–]DXGypsy 14 points15 points  (0 children)

42 years old here. Never married. No girlfriend of mine in the 25 years I've been dating has ever known how much I earn. Not their business. Several asked at various points. All were told, "None of your business." Some left over the information rejection. Some I left. Some stayed on thinking they'd win over in the end. They didn't. No matter what reason they give you there are several things you should NEVER tell a girlfriend.

  • your income
  • your ss#
  • your back account #s
  • your ATM pin #
  • your internet passwords

Giving those things up to your gf is not a sign of love/fidelity/commitment. Giving them up is a submission of self. Of your very identity. You are surrendering "you" to that person . And when that person gets angry at you, they will destroy you by using "you" to do it.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (7 children)

I hope you're the next Zuckerberg. She would spend the rest of her life living in regret.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (6 children)

There are almost as many women who broke up with not-yet-rich guys, and regretted it the rest of their lives, as there are grains of sand. It's puzzling how lousy women are at judging men's potentials, since doing so is one of their main biological imperatives. Maybe they're just extremely risk averse in that area.

[–]destraht 16 points17 points  (1 child)

The world is very complicated now and investments in time and energy can take years to play out and because of the size of the populations they can scale out enormously. The lower mammal brain can't figure all of that out.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's puzzling how lousy women are at judging men's potentials

They are much better at judging and understanding other women. Most don't know fuck all about us or what we are about. If you show up in public with a super-hot chick though, that's more than enough for a lot of women to know they want you too.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They don't regret it, they hamster it as an increase in their own worth: "Oh Jimmy made millions? I used to fuck him 10 years ago, so Yaaaaah confirmation that I am in a millionaires league!"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Money doesn't make alpha. It's like a little girl tripping in her mom's heels. If it was never there to begin with, she'll know.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (23 children)

OK so I'm going to offer a little devil's advocate here.

If a chick is asking you on the first night you meet how much money you have/make then holy fuck yeah that's a red flag. PUMP AND DUMP.


If you are in an exclusive LTR with a female she's going to want to know your earning potential. That's not all that abnormal. In relationships money and power play a huge role in SMV. When evaluating a prospective exclusive partner, women gauge earning potential vs their own SMV. To put it simply, they have an idea of how beautiful they are and a certain vision about what kind of lifestyle that is worth.

So a HB9+ will fuck the broke dick bad boy with six pack abs and a cocky attitude at the drop of a hat, but unless he has serious dick game and got her all spun in his line of bullshit - player level over 9000 - she's not going to stick around over long term. That's just the way it goes. You can overcome this reality when you are younger to a degree with the glorious P word POTENTIAL, but eventually the promise must become kinetic or else she will seek her pot of gold at the end of some other rainbow.

Such is life. There is no LTR/Marriage without an element of Beta Bux save the few out there nailing down sugar mommas with their 8"+ Pringles' can cocks. AWALT! They all believe beauty = materialistic reward. Why shouldn't they? They're not wrong.

When women seriously and honestly consider a man for long term exclusivity, earning potential is a qualifier they want to know. Think about it. If you were a woman, would you not do the same? Its just logical behavior.

For a young girl, having a boyfriend means steady sex with a hot guy - yes - but it also means gaining access to those sweet boyfriend rewards - namely value added to her life - i.e. him doing shit for her. Its nice to be driven around in a hot car, spend overnights at his cool pad, taken to nice places, get bought stuff, maybe a trip here and there. Hot chicks learn at an early age they get access to such rewards for being hot and it becomes must have criteria for men they date. All other women are jealous and hate them for it, but at the same time have their own preset threshold of qualifiers. AWALT.

The older a woman gets, the more this phenomena hockey sticks. How many 32-35 year old smoke shows have you seen shacked up with a cashless broke dick loser? Let me answer that for you... Zero.

One the big tricks of male sexual strategy is to get women to react to their tingles more than their materialistic hypergamy, but I don't know if it ever can be fully mitigated seeing that for women it is a component survival instinct.

The TL;DR of this is any level of relationship seriousness is going to require at least a ballpark estimate of what the financial expectations are. This is not a condemnation of female character, but rather an explanation of their survival mechanism. In OP's case sounds like the girl was too dumb to recognize/understand what family money is and that she was on the verge of hitting the boyfriend lottery. I have to laugh and smh at her dumbassery.

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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (18 children)

I'm not talking about disclosure of bank statements here, nor am I talking about your average spinning plate either.

I'm talking LTRs and marriages. Letting a serious girlfriend in on what your means and life goals are isn't outlandish. Seems like a normal part of the vetting process that people undergo, IMO. If a girl has earned your trust then I don't see the problem with a level of disclosure matching what OP has posted here.

If a woman starts asking for exact numbers like "Oh yeah just how much is in that college fund? Hmm?" then yeah you raise an eyebrow and refuse to dignify the question. At that point you probably regard the girl very differently from there on out.

I think its fair for a woman to get a general clue about a man's means as she explores the possibility of a more serious relationship. That sort of thing helps her judge your character. It's never going to be 100% about tingles. In this regard, women (at least the smarter ones) are pragmatic.

It's been said here ad infinitum that women don't like to defer status in relationships. It crushes their libido when they do. Nothing dries up a girlfriend's pussy like a boyfriend's empty wallet. Like it or not, a man's earning potential is deeply integrated into his status in a female's eyes. Usually, the lifestyle a man lives sends those signals up front where those actual drill down discussions don't take place until much, much later if that's ever warranted.

When they start asking those questions up front, then you can be all like "Bitch, don't you see my brand new Mustang and 60" UHD TV? WTF do you think?" NEXT.

There's a subtle way a man can go about qualifying himself as an individual of means without ever having to disclose numbers and maintain personal privacy on financial matters. I'm thinking outright stonewalling is a bad play. A good girl with self respect worthy of your attention is going to have an SMV qualifier and that's absolutely going to include financial considerations, so don't think you're doing yourself a big favor by fronting out that you're broke as fuck because you're scared to let her know you have a little cash in your pocket.

Remember a true player sees the whole field and knows every angle. Don't think you're going to run some Prince Hakeem of Amunda Coming to America bullshit and get the fine ass bitch to roll back to your "very poor" spot because you think your charm and character is all that. Don't be naive. Use a little common sense. The girl doesn't want a broke dick loser with no job for a boyfriend. That doesn't make her a terrible person. That's called having standards. Its up to you to be able meet qualifiers while defeating shit tests. Sexual strategy. You only disclose your bank statements to your wife, if you ever decide to get one. Otherwise, game and play.

[–]fastball21 19 points20 points  (0 children)

"If I ask you to marry me then I'll tell you about my finances. Otherwise you're not past the vetting process."

[–]Casanova-Quinn 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I didn't even try to argue against it because I know that I deserve better. This made her very upset and today she messaged me saying she misses me.

Classic abundance mentality in action.

[–]moremane 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Another point is to never let a woman see how much money you have either. At the time that my ex-wife was my girlfriend, she saw my bank balance on accident and her interest was visually piqued. I didn't think twice about it at the time, but a marriage and a divorce later, I can see that she was just using me.

[–]Niordd 20 points21 points  (10 children)

Yup, that is an important lesson.

How much money you have or earn NEVER shows your VALUE as a man.

It is an important factor (and helps a lot), but if you need to talk about money to build respect or attraction, you deserved to be sucked out of them.

[–]1User-31f64a4e 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Women will always be assessing you.

If she's curious about income, then she probably has no tingles and not interested in you as an Alpha. She is sizing you up as a Beta Bucks provider.
If you've already had or been having sex before the income questions start, think back ... have you been failing shit tests?

[–]loddfavne 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I used to think that women that were insterested in what I do was a good choice to date, after I discovered redpill I translate the question about occupation to a question about income. Then it's a major turnoff, because that's a beta bucks question. Now I have realized that the most interesting girls are those who are attracted no matter what I do.

[–]TekkomanKingz 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Dude where do you find these winners???

[–]scummcdirt 25 points25 points [recovered]

This is your average to above average woman now.

They really are not marriage or LTR material. Its rather sad.

The sheer audacity of entitlement is obscene. It makes me worry for future generations, because from what i have seen around reddit, i fear that r/raisedbynarcissists is going to be huge in the future.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The irony is that women are making just as much as men now, if not more. I live in a city so my point of view is skewed, but it seems I know more women who have high level careers and education than men. On the flip side though, all those men I know have exceedingly interesting lives and do pretty much whatever the fuck they want.

[–]doublereignbeau 38 points39 points  (24 children)

It is a legitimate question to have, as it is a very good metric for discerning the nature of a person.

HOWEVER, the problem I have is that they ask that question to Beta Bucks. I might actually respect a woman more if she were to ask that question to Chad Thundercock with the same regularity.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (22 children)

So you're saying she asked me because you think I'm beta?

[–]CuriousErnestBrine 89 points89 points [recovered]

not necessarily beta, but she definitely saw a provider in you.

Because she broke it off proves that she only saw the provider in you

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (7 children)

For a man to give up the details of his financial status in my opinion either means he is beta and using finances to get/keep women or he could possibly be alpha if he is just using his financial status for ONS's.

Since she saw me only as a provider, she had to know how much I could provide and because I wouldn't tell her she ended it with me?

[–]BeautyQuark 58 points59 points  (2 children)

Yes, women don't care about money unless it is the long game. Women do not associate long game with AF. They may ask an AF how much money they make, but will be ok with "it is none of your business."

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

He's right, but you did very well with holding frame. It was a test, you passed. However, she went too far with breaking up with you, so now her status can only ever be a FWB. You raised your status in her eyes by not caring, if she comes back, I bet she never asks again (unless your frame slips).

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 17 points18 points  (0 children)

You did right by not telling her. I mean, you're not even 25, so I assume she's the same. The fact that she doesn't cut you some slack even now shows how here priorities were.

Maybe she only appreciated you for your presumed provider qualities. Maybe she only appreciates any guy his provider qualities, how knows. Fact is you dodged a bullet there.

[–]DickHeadSummationGuy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For a man to give up the details of his financial status in my opinion either means he is beta and using finances to get/keep women

Or he could just be a guy who doesn't give a shit. I believe firmly that a man should keep his finances his business, until he meets someone and that now becomes their business. I was with my SO for 3 years, we got a house together and are planning our wedding. The moment we moved in and bills became a discussion topic we both placed our most recent pay stubs on the table and pulled up Excel to put a cohesive money management plan together.

[–]martypete 9 points9 points [recovered]

No disrespect, but I believe that is the case. I have not had 1 girl ever ask me how much I make. I think this is one of those things where she just didn't have enough respect for you (meybe after being bf/gf for a time) to understand that she isn't supposed to ask these things and you did the right thing by nexting her. I know MARRIED couples who still keep finances separate. There's not much more personal than how much money you make.

[–]my_redpill_account 9 points10 points  (1 child)

My stepdad never tells us or even my mom how much money he has. He makes a lot of money due to his career which is known for making fat cash.

This post made me understand why he keeps everything away from anyone, helpful and informative post.

[–]Darkone06 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I dont think you live in a city. I have been asked this question by both males and females in the forst 5 minutes of meeting them.

"No Comment"

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She asked you because she thinks you're beta.

[–]bitches_be_crazy86 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Because she thinks you're a beta. Why was she even your girlfriend ? If a girl doesn't feel privilaged to be your cumbucket don't even consider dating.

[–]snakehayter 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You shouldn't even be in an ltr when you're still in college doing something as hard as engineering, its just going to add unnecessary mental and financial stress.

[–]TerriChris 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wise decision. I suspect that you saved over half your assets, 18 years of a large portion of your net income in the probable divorce.

I would also add, "What do you do for a living?" and or "What do you drive?"

[–]sweetleef 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Motivation" and "life goals" are princess-bitch code for "able to give me money, gifts, food, and housing."

[–]dickbroom 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Feel fortunate you can keep it to yourself. My salary since 2012 is available for all to see as the one and two google results for my name. The joy of being a government worker where I live...

[–]ECoast_Man 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don't listen to the ones calling you beta.

Well done.

[–]scarletspider3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I find that girls always ask questions designed to estimate how much money you have if they don't already have an idea.

[–]RampantD 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Just wait till your making 150k a year. Fuck gold diggers

[–]coffee_and_lumber 2 points3 points  (1 child)

As someone making half that, I would love to have that problem.

[–]1mojo_juju 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And as someone making nothing... I have no problems. Ran out of food stamps today. Tinder date with 36 yr old milf tomorrow. Meal ticket here I come!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Forgive my laughter, it is not aimed at you, but her. She is a fuckin moron.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Wealthy family... Engineering student who doesn't need to work to pay his bills and can just focus on his studies... Dumped for having no future.


Natural selection at work.

[–]Rubieroo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You are correct. As a woman so has been married for 25 years and that married a guy who has pretty well broke I can look back and see that money comes and goes and it is more important that each is willing to sacrifice for the other and that both work as a team. Quizzing you on income at this point is just what you thought. Red flag. It only becomes relevant when an engaged coupled is setting up house and attempting to arrange a budget.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Great lesson and great story! I am glad you did the smart thing and that it worked out for you.

I agree with you, the only thing you could have done better was break up with her on the spot, but 99% is not a bad mark!

[–]BlackHeart89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good advice for anyone looking to have an LTR.

I would personally keep the fun going until I got bored or she wanted to break it off.

[–]1dayHappy_1daySad 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good job, keep your head up!

[–]juanlee337 4 points5 points  (2 children)

On the other hand, if you are making good money , you should use it to your advantage. As someone who makes 6 figures , I am actually constantly bring it up my money making skills during conversations to get their attention and trust me, it works. This doesn't mean I am going to around spending hundreds of dollars for her. Its a clever tactic you use to get their attention and use to your advantage. so you either get used or use . I choose the latter.

[–]Triglycerine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

walking on an engineering student because LOL NO LIFE GOALS

There is being a gold digger and then there is being a dumb gold digger.

Even American Pie got this right and the franchise is as braindead as Stalin after they dissected him.

Lesson learned: If a woman asks how much you make, break it off ASAP.

Or make fun of her, then walk.

[–]Transmigratory 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Any women who show interest in your money, more than warranted should either be broken up with or demoted to plate status. For example, you can turn your gf into a plate now.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This has happened to me a few times, I've been asked to state my income in various ways, some of which were pretty comical and some which were pretty direct.

Entitled Ex: "So, how much do you have invested?" Me: "A little bit, haha"

Plate 1: "So, W told me you make x amount, is that true?" Me: "Nope!"

Plate 2: "I'm looking for a guy that will support me and provide me with a certain living standard. I would like to not have to work so that I can raise children and enjoy my hobbies" Me: *Banged her that night and dumped her a few days later

I've also left my income visible on dating sites just to see what happens and the amount of attention that I get from 8's and up that wouldn't give me the time of day normally is astonishing.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She told me I have no job, no motivation and no life goals and that she deserves better.

This seems like a massive shit test. She sensed it was ending and wanted to get one last try in to get you to conform and prove her wrong.

I'd say you passed with flying colors and are better off without her.

[–]JumpXVI 10 points11 points  (1 child)

This may sound harsh, but if a woman asks how much you make, and you're not actually a broke, 30+, directionless schlub, then one of two things are at play. Either:

  • you have not signalled high status to her (BB),
  • you are not absolutely destroying her in bed (AF).

It's really curious that your now–ex-gf wouldn't have "rationalized" your status as a young engineering student as "he'll be making money soon so I wanna stay with him".

If you have not repeatedly left her with the impression that you will be buying your first house before the age of 25, that's on you. And if you have not repeatedly left her with the impression of your cock inside of her vagina, hours after another thrilling, toe-curling love-making session, that is also on you.

Women are hypergamous. Alpha fucks/beta bucks. AWALT. But if you're reading this sub...you already know all this, right?

[–]Thaweed 2 points3 points  (2 children)

get back with her, bang her, dump her

and then tell her over text how you deserve better

[–]1whatsazipper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Alternatively, you can use this type of stuff for bait. Use them strictly as plates without indicating that you're using them.

Only recommended if you're reasonably experienced with women.

[–]thenarrrowpath 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She told me I have no job, no motivation and no life goals and that she deserves better.

Funny how your achievements and ambitions relate to her well being. Hmmm, yea you should punish her with a hard next. I mean no closure what so ever. Not a single text or word should be uttered to her. I hope she sees you with another girl real soon.

[–]Brudus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She wanted to know how much money is available to throw down the shitter in a wedding.

[–]Grompher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Shes not paying for your crap, so it is none of her concern.

Beta? Your Alpha as fuck!

She thought you beg like a puppy? AWALT.

And I cringe when I hear a woman say "I should've married him". Cause now he's successful and wealthy. She is not aware that he built that without her. She would have got in the way. Spending his money, telling him what to do....

[–]BlaiseDB 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was dating a Chinese model in Shanghai. She was always bugging me to "do business" which seemed to mean getting into East-West/import-export, not something I have the interest or expertise for. Her father is some sort of businessman with an income around $100k and the sticking point was that I didn't make as much as he did. Obviously she was complicit but she told me that if she didn't marry up she was on her own (with the counter-intuitive corollary being that if she did find a rich guy, he would buy us a condo).

On our third of three dates (which were actually spread out over a couple years because I was moving back and forth between China and Canada) she jumped all over my penis. Then I never heard from her again.

Based on my lifestyle, I earn the equivalent of maybe $50k. Royalties from my video game start rolling in this summer and will likely be six figures. I will be opening a restaurant late this year or early next year. A bunch of other business opportunities are in the works as well. Meanwhile I got involved with a pretty, but not model quality, woman who after being dumped and then re-assimilated has stopped asking about money.

Second point. My parents parted ways about 40 years ago and my mother made the conscious decision NOT to divorce rape my father. Fast forward and after I put myself through law school he retired a portion of my student debt, and gave me a mickey mouse job at his accounting firm while I sorted out my Gen-X issues. He helped out my two sisters similarly.

Meanwhile, he gets remarried and I find myself with a half-brother who is the little emperor. He gets his full ticket paid to go to get his bachelor's degree and then attend Parsons College in Manhattan to do a masters degree (that was a good decade ago but current estimates put the cost of attendance at over $67k a year.

My father was an only child who inherited his father's estate. He was a successful accountant who - I suspect - amassed least $2 million in real estate and other investments. Then he decides to retire and a month later is diagnosed with terminal brain cancer. His last words to me: "I worked too hard."

The thing is, his second wife - my stepmother - inherited everything. She gave each of the kids about $10k at the time but announced shortly thereafter that I and my sisters were cut out of her will and that my brother would inherit everything on her passing. . .and it would be his choice to be "generous".

In a way, IDGAF but that story provides a nexus between the financial rapaciousness of most women, the points on the spectrum where guys actually pay some or none of their own freight, and a study in evolutionary psychology.

[–]ringob82 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Looks like you dodged a bullet.

[–]DaphneDK 5 points6 points  (3 children)

There's nothing wrong with a girl having an interest in the financial and career ambitions of a man she's interested in - if she wants to have a traditional family setup where she stays home and take care of the home and kids and family.

[–]awakenedmale 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I don't think they had gotten that far.

[–]hebola4lyfe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

if she wants to have a traditional family setup where she stays home and take care of the home and kids and family.

hahahaha yeah no. Most women are not even closed to that anymore. This was something of the past . Things have changed with women thanks to feminism. Women no longer see themselves as housewives and mothers . To them this is an insult or a weakness. I shudder for the future of this world.

[–]Heisenpurrrrg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's golden, Right-on mate

[–]cheerioz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Send her a picture of the money in your accounts & nothing else. Let it burn

[–]birdwontquit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And her "goal" is to find a man with goals and hook onto him cause she's a bum bitch.

[–]newmeforever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You sir are amazing.

:D Keep up the good work.

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[–]DPestWork 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good advice. I would feel compelled to disprove the B though.

[–]stringerbell 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Ummm, ALL women ask how much you earn. It's one of the only things they're interested in.


Next time you have a first date with a woman, see how long it takes before she asks you where you live and whether you rent or own. You'll notice it's one of the very first questions she asks. Every. Single. Time.

[–]SupALupRT 1 point2 points  (2 children)

After she broke up you should of explained the situation and how set you are. Thatd really fill her with regret.

[–]TominatorXX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who is saying you're beta? That's idiotic.

[–]Swanksterino 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's awesome OP, and with any luck she may have learned her lesson, but I doubt it.

[–]BleauGumms 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another shit test they do is to ask what you do for a living. When you answer them, you can see the little hamster wheel in their head spinning while they try to figure out how much someone in your career field makes.

[–]Lipophobicity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"and that she deserves better"

She would think this no matter what. I remember when multiple "Sexiest Man Alive" winner George Clooney got married to someone younger, all these old fat women wrote articles/blogs saying the girl was settling and could do better. A man considered universally attractive, famous, rich, and charitable was not considered worthy of an decent looking younger woman

From her PoV, you will never deserve her and she could always do better. Never marry

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