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So I was skimming over the front page of Reddit to see if there was anything interesting in the 4 or 5 subs that actually have content and not just full of shit. The science ones tend to be interesting for instance. I also like to have a couple ''Test'' subreddits just to remind myself of the usual crap one sees on the entire site, such as Askreddit for example.

So today we had this gem delivered in a post called ''Women of reddit, what about men baffles you the most?''. The red pill curiosity kicked in automatically and I dived in expecting to see both, bluepill stupidity and the inevitable red pill wisdom handed to the plebs in a silver plate.

Boy, did I ever.

Besides the fact that the two most upvotes answers were regarding men's balls (The female gender at work), one of them talked about how men don't find themselves beautiful or something like that (feel free to check the thread yourselves, I can't link to other subs from here).

So this is what I found that amazed me the most from a guy called kaminohanshin:

Cause no one tells us we're sexy. No one is constantly patting us on the back saying 'you look good as you are!' or telling us 'this looks good on you!' like women get. Rarely do men get much praise for being who they are, especially compared to women. Men look around and see they get no attention for being men, at least not obvious attention like putting up a selfie on FB and suddenly a flood of women tell them they look 'cute'. All media seems to point to one thing: you are worth fuck all unless you ARE someTHING, or you DO something. You are not kaminohanshin, you are 'that guy who saved kittens from a flood', you are 'Kaminohanshin, the CEO'. No one gives a fuck about kaminohanshin, in stories. Its 'the king' or 'the knight' who is important, men who are something or do something. All these guys tend to have something in common: they are powerful, they are in-shape, and they are smart or witty. No one goes on about the hair, they go on about how their arms bulged as they threw that dragon across the room, or how they outsmarted another army and pulled the victory out of the jaws of defeat.

So we assume no one is looking at us for us. We assume everyone is looking at what we DO. What role do we preform in society, or what we have done to make us worth something. The idea that simply being who we are is attractive is just lost to us because all our lives we've been shown we're worth nothing at face value. We have to EARN our right to be 'people'. That's why the random goons are all gunned down are men, and are all nameless and faceless. Because they are, they aren't people because they aren't the big boss or the protagonist, or they have something about them that makes them part of the story. 'The chick', simply being female, makes you a character, in media, its a trope. The men all have to have SOMETHING about them, the nerd, the leader, the asshole anything.

This guy got gold (reddit's Pavlonian conditioning tool) FOUR times, in a thread that was obviously full of women and beta men.

Just goes to show.

EDIT: As of today, the comment in question has over 4 times the gold it had. The guy can now open his own jewelry.

[–][deleted] 200 points201 points  (4 children)

That's far from the best, most unintentional RP upvoting in the thread.

The goldmine I found was kicked off with, "When they think they'll be less of a man if they talk about problems/things that bother them."

To which men started to reply

That's because every woman we've ever tried that with has left us because we weren't "enough of a man". YOU want us to be the shoulder you can cry on. You're not as good when we show you that we need something too. We learn quickly.

and in reply

Bingo! A lot of women say they want a sensitive man but what they really mean, they want a man sensitive to THEIR emotions and needs. I've dated great women who comforted me through tough times. I've also dated women who got uncomfortable when I cried.


Verbatim what my ex said. She's a very compassionate person whose incredibly smart, understanding and knowing all this I spent some amount of time explaining my problems. No only had she no solution, she very quickly got that fed up vibe... And said those magic words before ending it all several weeks later You're... You're just not a "man"... It's been months and I'm still picking up the pieces.

And a different sub thread from the goldmine.

Yeah, speaking as a "sensitive dude"... as much as women talk up the fact that they are attracted to emotions, a lot of women get very turned off when they realize how fucked up men are on the inside.

plenty there

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

That whole thread is a gold mine, and actually quite insightful from both perspectives.

[–][deleted] 4 points4 points

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[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

A man telling a woman his problems is like a woman telling a man she's probably going to eat nothing but cake for the rest of her life.

[–]johnnycaustic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Beautiful. That is going straight into my file of quotations for future reuse. ♂

[–]NotATerpLurker 145 points146 points  (14 children)

Another gem I found in the same thread.

not understanding / refusing to understand the clear line between catcalling and a compliment

What exactly is the line?


Of course the last comment was down voted.

[–]CallMehCarlo 0 points1 point  (10 children)

could you explain which is which here? I get where its going but would like to understand it better.

[–]Big_ol_Bro 68 points69 points  (6 children)

If you're attractive, it's a compliment, if you're unattractive, it's catcalling.

[–]newls 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Same as the line between 'creepy' and 'romantic'.

If Ryan Gosling does it, it's romantic.

If the thirsty, sweaty, awkward guy who apologises profusely does it, it's creepy.

It's all about pre-selection and status.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Lost 50 pounds and started lifting. I can literally say whatever I want to women now and they think it's cute.

Before? Nope. If anything, they had sympathy for me ("aww, thanks 200mgtestc!")

[–]CornyHoosier 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Frame matters as well. I've seen many good looking betas get shit on because they failed a shit test

[–]xiko 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This Saturday Night piece will explain to you http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f76_1323277426

[–]Gramatike 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He is saying that one person write that the difference between a compliment and a catcall is how attractive you are. This comment was then down voted to hell.

[–]jaysire -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There are three comments and you can tell them apart by the indentation. The last two are "what exactly is the line?", to which someone replies "attractive/unattractive".

[–]mugged99 134 points135 points  (8 children)

That guy brought the hammer of truth down so hard, reddit gold was dislodged from the hands of peasants; well deserved.

[–][deleted] 73 points74 points  (4 children)

He's up to x14 gold now.

[–]moroi 29 points30 points  (0 children)

And he's bravely battling some whining idiots there too!

[–]SunshineBlotters -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Can I get a direct link to the context please? I want to read what he has to say to peoples replies to this post

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 298 points299 points  (52 children)

It can all be summed up into one sentence that BP men and women will never understand:

Women are loved for who they are. Men are loved for what they must become.

[–]semondemon24 172 points173 points  (39 children)

I would correct to "Men are loved for what they have become" - you're suggesting the love happens before they make it. I would argue that doesn't really matter. Nobody gave a shit about all the powerful men in the world until they became who they are.

[–]PlebDestroyer 122 points123 points  (29 children)

I would simply say "Women are born women, boys must work to become men."

[–]bookhockey24 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Women are born, men are forged.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (7 children)

I reckon they're born girls and become women, though few make the transition.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Overwhelmingly most make the transition. At best a womanhood is defined by her ability to have kids.

[–]bluedrygrass 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Then still not all make the transition. I don't know why female fertility is always considered automatic. It's far from it. A lot of females are naturally unfertile, or sub-fertile, many other becomes so as consequence of today's women lifestyle.

Even in past, more healthy eras, childbirth was the single major cause of death for a woman. It was usual for men to have 2 or 3 wifes during his life afte one died giving birth.

A lot of females simply doesn't have the correct hips shape, size, hormonal setup and everything else enough to give birth by themself, without medical assistence.

Every woman that have to use c-section would be dead, in the jungle. And the majority of women have c-sections.

Even not having enough breast to lactate is a not so small maternal failure. Natural milk is vital for the child, the simple fact of being naturally lactated confers 6 IQ points in the adulthood.

Not to mention the shitton of allergies that can be avoided by natural lactation.

The majority of women are today unfit to give birth.

[–]CrimsonCapn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think we've derailed here, the point is a woman has value built into her genetics that she inherits simply by going through puberty. Most men have no such built in value. We must earn it through effort and determination.

[–]PlebDestroyer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let me revise -- a girl becomes a woman by living to reach the age of consent. That is it.

I personally would love to bang a smoking hot infertile women. No more need for condoms. So I don't think it's fertility that makes a woman. Just their fuckability (In modern day society that is).

[–]Syberr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

About 10% of births require some medical assiatance. 90% of time it would go ok in the jungle.

Moreover not having a family is not that frowned upon nor is adoption. Women don't lose hardly any social atanding from being infertile

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many of those problems are inherently related to our modern (neolithic) shit diet. Grains, legumes, refined vegetable oils, pesticides, preservatives, etc. These cause health issues and compromised bone structure. That doesn't mean EVERY hunter gatherer diet was perfect or complete, but many tribes had much better health than westerners today.

[–]PlebDestroyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? If you wanted to be more accurate I'd say girls are born then go through puberty to become women. All of them make the transition except those who die or have weird diseases that put off puberty.

[–]SplashArtist 21 points22 points  (15 children)

And I wouldn't have it any other way. Where's the fun in instant gratification? I don't play video games so I can beat it before I even begin. I play because I like to be challenged. Same goes with life. The pure pain and fear you must go through to achieve greatness is worth it. Yes, the juice IS worth the squeeze. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach him how to fish and he will eat until his last day.

[–]backbayguy 74 points75 points  (1 child)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol that may be the funniest gif of all time.

[–]1oldredder 19 points20 points  (6 children)

I precisely want it the other way: the juice has never been worth the squeeze for me and I'm done squeezing. If she's not easy she's worthless to me because the hard ones have never been higher value in the end.

[–]WardlyHasted 16 points16 points [recovered]

It's a catch 22. Women that make you work for it are rarely worth it, but women who give it away for free aren't relationship material.

[–]thebalrog_ofmorgoth 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Too true. It's a perplexing and annoying paradox.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

change perspective: no women are ever relationship material so women who are least-dangerous but least-effort are worth a shag here and there.

[–]SplashArtist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm talking about life in general.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is a little different. Life outside of women is filled with tricks to get you to expend effort & get nothing, but outside of camouflaged insects/animals and women, the risk is usually not quite that bad.

Watch out for those fucking stock markets though: they are just as treacherous, rigged & dishonest as the worst women.

[–]PlebDestroyer 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Yes, I agree, there is a certain beauty in it all.

[–]SplashArtist 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Indeed, its very beautiful. Obviously that beauty is hard to see right when you are in the thick of it. But on the other side, you can appreciate the good that much more because you know what you've had to go through to get to it. I don't know any other way to build core confidence and happiness then hard work and determination.

[–]1oldredder 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I know the other way: it's on your own with no women in your life. Build what you can & must with only your self-driven motivation and you realize you're a far more powerful human being than you would be with a woman whipping you into it with nagging, shit-tests and offering pussy to keep you coming back.

[–]GuidoBandito 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Sex is like snow. You never know when it will happen or how much you'll get. And sometimes you just want it to go away because it's now too ugly to enjoy.

Pussy should be THE prize. It should never be a consolation prize.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

no, the man should be the prize and the bitch should be happy she got him.

When pussy is the prize the man is a slave/addict and of low value.

That's the core of how/why women are winning over men in gains of life, resources, time, everything: men are reducing their value in life in every dimension, every measure, to make pussy the prize. Women, knowing this, then use this to step all over men and offer just enough pussy the men keep falling for it.

Let's be smart and stop falling for it. Women need dick, women need to be dominated, women need to feel they earned what they get, so men need to act the prize and not treat the woman or her pussy as the prize ever again.

[–]Syberr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women are born, men are made.

[–]Deresetese 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Kinda ironic since we treat women like children. Makes perfect sense on the other hand though.

[–]PlebDestroyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not picking up what you're putting down man.

[–]Triglycerine -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Women are born women, boys must work to become men

That sounds like a magnificent opening line for a movie.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (5 children)

I'm going to disagree with you. Women choose mates based on potential all the time. There are numerous evolutionary psychology studies proving this. I'm also an example, I don't have much money, and I'm not muscular, but I have have an amazing girlfriend. Amazing in the rp sense. Point is, she knows I will become successful, because she sees my ambition and where I will be when I'm done school.

[–]semondemon24 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I don't disagree with you. But I still hold ground on what I wrote. Reason being: she has to do her fucking homework to make that judgement. The only difference now is that she is an investor in the product. And as negative as that sounds...its actually all that a guy could ask for. Because she is probably going to do what she can to make sure you become successful. AKA the girl that makes you a better person.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very true, I see what you mean.

[–]RedHeimdall 23 points24 points  (0 children)

They will only go for that potential if and when it is relatively simple to connect the dots and is a pretty safe bet.

For instance, if you are broke right now, but you're a student in medical school, it's easy to connect those dots and see a six figure income a few years down the line.

On the other hand if it's something less tangible, like you are broke right now but you have a solid work ethic and you are very smart, but don't have any concrete prospects, most people treat that kind of potential as basically worthless.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

At college age, people are all pretty much still in the potential phase. No one has achieved much. At this stage of life it is common for women to choose young men based on future speculation.

Shortly after school, it becomes sink or swim. You will need to achieve something quickly, because soon your competitors will be guys who are stacking up achievements. It's a bitter pill for many men who can't get it together soon enough. All the speculative interest goes away, and women are looking for actual money in the bank. So don't be surprised or disillusioned if your girl swings branches the second a guy whose new start up is getting off the ground shows any interest. (Unless of course, you become that guy.)

Not to say your goals should be based on women's interests but just letting you know that speculative interest goes away after a certain age.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that makes sense. Good tip

[–]DickHeadSummationGuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I disagree. A lot of dudes get pussy because of their potential. They have the basic format of a man who will be 45 with decent network and social value but don't actually have any of that yet. Shit, I'm a shining example. I have a good job, low percentile salary for my age, I've got my own company which isn't profitable yet, and as a result of the aforementioned I have a high SMV. But I'm not actually successful yet (in my eyes). I'm just on the path to it.

[–]eccentricrealist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a good point. A girl I used to date told me "You know the reason I love you is that I'm proud of who you have become." So yes, who I am but not who I was. Generally, women will always be loved regardless.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree.

Watch the look in a woman's eyes when the man she meets tells her that he's in medical school.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Women are loved for who they are. Men are loved for what they must become.

You might also have phrased it: "women have value by default; men only have value they earn."

Note that this handily explains the damsel in distress trope that makes feminists so angry. They act like it's patriarchy and male privilege and hatred of women but that is the complete opposite of the truth. The damsel in distress trope is actually an example of women's enormous, unchecked privilege.

See, when a woman is captured, you go and rescue her because she's a woman - even in captivity, she has value. If you tried to have a video game that started with, "some guy you don't know has been captured!" everyone would go, "so??" A captured man has no value.

And this plays out in the real world constantly. ISIS has abducted loads of people, but everyone got up in arms when they abducted some women. There are racial aspects too. A pretty white girl being kidnapped means the whole country comes to a stop.

The feminist response to this, that "no seriously, all this difference and concern and help is actually 'benevolent sexism' and therefore still oppression!" - that is total bullshit.

[–]imtryingtotry 22 points23 points  (3 children)

That's two sentences! This guy's a crook!

[–]Be-The-Change 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know why you were sitting at 0. Periods end sentences and that post contains two of them.

[–]icecow 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Women are loved for being female. Men are loved if they have become something notable.

It's not as charming when fixed.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Even betas subconsciously realise this. The way he put it just softened the blow of it and didn't mention Red Pill, so they're far more willing to accept it then.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is said a lot and I also get the feeling that many people think it's somehow unfair or that "women have it better"

The ability to decide your own place in society is perhaps the most valuable gift - a power, even - life has given us.

And with all power comes responsibility. I couldn't imagine becoming irrelevant by age 30, it's fucking terrifying.

[–]Birdston 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Si tu id aeficas, ei venient. Ager somnia

It goes for women too.

[–]p3ndulum 189 points190 points  (79 children)

Imagine how awesome your day would be if people were always smiling at you, holding your doors open for you, offering to pay for your coffee n'shit, just for fucking showing up.

I'd pay 23% in gender tax for that kind of regular treatment, no doubt.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 155 points156 points  (46 children)

They pay 1-2% in gender tax. the 70 cents on the dollar is a myth.

But people always smiling at me and holding doors open for me would totally piss me off.

[–]1User-31f64a4e 12 points13 points  (4 children)

The "wage gap" has been debunked too many times to link. Just look on youtube, you'll find a dozen quality treatments.

Often, when bullshit is filtered out and we look at the same hours and same job, there is a miniscule gap (on the order of 3 or 4%.)

Some of this is women lacking the aggression and courage to negotiate properly.

Another factor could be mens greater average IQ. Thorium just did a youtube showing the study with more very smart and very dumb men, but women slightly higher on average ... comes from a study of HS kids in one age range where women have developed their (smaller) brains sooner.

It is also possible that mens lack of entitlement causes behavioral differences which account for the very tiny wage gap of a couple percent.

It is also possible that men work harder.

There are a lot of possible reasons for a 1% - 4% pay difference. Discrimination is hardly a given.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 10 points11 points  (3 children)

As a comedian once said.... the pay gap (if it exists) is danger money for being a guy ;)

[–]1User-31f64a4e 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Damn, that's good!
It's hazard pay for the risk of a groundless sexual harassment lawsuit ...

[–]1chuckrutledge 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Bill Burr said in a stand up routine, "Men get paid more because if the ship is going down, for some reason we have to stay behind while you get to leave" (paraphrasing)

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Technically we don't have to stay behind. This concept does not exist in international law. It HAS been enacted (eg Titanic), but it's not expected nor the law (regardless of what solipsistic women will tell you)

[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (36 children)

Especially when the only reason they're doing it is so they can put their dick in you.

[–]RedHeimdall 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I have fat chicks do nice stuff for me sometimes and I'm not offended, I'm just like "Oh thanks"... and the fact that they might want the D is irrelevant to me.

[–]blandboringusername 88 points88 points [recovered]

Imagine being surrounded by a world full of aggressive dick salesmen every day until you hit The Wall or get fat.

[–]Nudelwalker 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Heh, dick salesmen..... Pretty good this one

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

See...we're even better at sympathizing.

[–]DoctorsHateHim 6 points7 points  (1 child)

But they love dick and the sick advertised is free of charge

[–]Syberr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It comes with consequences and they know it. Like food.

If everyone would be offering you free food wouldnt make it okay to eat at leisure

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Is holding doors open for other men disrespectful? I don't want to fuck other dudes, I do it because it's courteous.

[–]Andress1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That wouldn't be unreasonable if I was attracted to men like women do.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Especially when the only reason they're doing it is so they can put their dick in you

And if they're attractive, that's just fine I'm sure :)

[–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I've heard 5% as the actual figure. Either way, far from 23%.

[–]Bortasz 7 points8 points  (0 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDj_bN0L8XM It's close to 7% and it is mostly thanks to fact that women less negotiate raise.

[–]krazybone550 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're right about the pay gap being way off the correct number. I still would take a reduction in pay to get away with the things women can in society.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don't even pay that. That's just where things get harder to measure such as health plans catered to their individual needs that vary from person to person.

[–]AugmentedFury 25 points26 points  (17 children)

The whole 77% gender wage gap myth was pulled out of someones ass.

[–]CryptoManbeard 45 points46 points  (2 children)

It's not pulled out of an ass, it's a faulty premise. 77% is the number if you divide the average female salary by the average male salary. The pulled out of an ass part is calling that figure equal pay for equal work.

[–]LancerKagato 10 points11 points  (1 child)

in the narrow spectrum, mid twentys to mid thirties women on average make 8% more than males of that age group in the same job.

[–]CryptoManbeard 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Then you also have to factor for previous experience, vacation, and overtime. I've read that when you account for all that it is anywhere from 7% for women to positive for women. On average men work more overtime and take less vacation days.

Anecdotally the women I know in my office and in my social circle are bad at asking for raises and promotions. You can't really fault employers for that. That being said, if one could save 7% by simply hiring only females, it would be a pretty lucrative arbitrage opportunity, so I really doubt the gap is that high.

[–]newls 15 points16 points  (9 children)

People who wave it about don't understand that women tend to work part-time far more often, and go on maternity leave.

Women also tend to leave difficult jobs sooner than men and leave the workforce altogether after getting married and having kids.

Men also tend to earn more (≠ getting paid) by doing more overtime, starting businesses, and doing more difficult jobs and sticking to them.

Men gain satisfaction from doing challenging and exciting work that they passionately enjoy, whereas women feel no evolutionary incentive to do so. Women literally stop seeing the point of hard work and feel fundamentally empty until they find a strong man to have their children with. That's why you see and read so many stories about childless female execs crying in their cars and in the office.

[–]1User-31f64a4e 6 points7 points  (8 children)

The highest paying professions are all dominated by men.

Low paying jobs that may be more satisfying, like nurse, are often dominated by women.

And all the other stuff you said.

[–]newls 6 points7 points  (6 children)

People look at that 'statistic' and infer that women earn less than men for the same work, which is utter nonsense. No business in the western world pays men and women differently for the same work.

Men earn more money than women. And there is absolutely nothing wrong about that.

There has been equality of opportunity for both sexes for years now. In fact a recent six year study showed that women are favoured over men 2:1 for STEM jobs. Two to one! So they can't fucking say there's no equality.

In any case there are government-funded groups and charities aimed at giving funding to businesses run by women. So based only on the fact that you were born with a vagina, people will rally around to make sure your business succeeds.

And women are still significantly over-represented at universities, but there are still government-funded groups and charities solely aimed at getting more women into university.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Of course, if a business could shave up to 20% off their payroll expenses by hiring women, you better believe that's exactly what they'd do. Men would struggle to get employed anywhere.

The people pushing the pay gap canard are incapable of logic, however. You really can't expect them to not to hamster their reality.

[–]newls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or if anyone brings it up, ask them to name one woman they know who's paid less solely because she's female.

[–]1User-31f64a4e 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I agree with you, but I have to make one little note.
The 2:1 preference was in University, for teaching STEM.

Out here in the real world, people staffing experienced jobs are looking for "Rock Star Coders", without particular regard to the configuration of one's sexy bits.
For school leavers (fresh outs), there is a preference for women. With these jobs the people have education but no experience - there is no track record to examine. Might as well make the quota nazis happy. Later on, this all sorts itself out.

So sure, academia is biased. In Engineering they are the tail, not the dog. For pure science I guess this is a problem, especially with the precipitous general decline in corporate blue-sky R&D spending over the last 40 years. Bell Labs as such, Xerox Parc, GE R&D Center - whatever is left of these is much more product focused. So for pure science, I suppose (outside of Biology) it's mostly in Universities, which are utterly female biased.

[–]newls 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yep academia is pretty far gone as fair as political correctness goes. You only have to browse academia.stackexchange.com for a few minutes to see all the blue pill spineless questions being asked. They're obsessed with protocol.

[–]1User-31f64a4e 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Does the obsession with protocol apply across the board, or is it weaker in evidence based disciplines?
Is it more pronounced in soft sciences than hard sciences?

I ask because in completely subjective fields, there is no way to overcome protocol with actual reality. In the sciences however, proof is proof. The harder the science, I suspect that the more that is the case.

Experiments in physics may be more definitive that experiments in the social sciences. Michaelson Morely disproves the ether, period. Groundbreaking experiments in social sciences like Milgram (administration of shocks), Harlow (wire monkeys) and the Stanford Prison Experiment conclusively show ... something. Interpretation is still required. Millikan (charge on an electron), Joule (conservation of energy) and Galileo require no further analysis - their famous experiments clearly shows what they show.

[–]newls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Academia is funded, so it doesn't need to run a profit (per se) to operate. For that reason it isn't really 'in the real world', compared to businesses that have to just get on with things. Think of businesses as men and universities as women in society (no doubt making broad sweeping generalities to make a point here).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and the lowest paying jobs like field work and heavy warehouse work are dominated by men.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

muh' 7000 percent anus gap

[–]waylandertheslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The numbers are right, it's just that they don't mean anything. Women work less than men and men are much more likely to die in the workplace. Men are more likely to work high-paying fields like STEM instead of childcare. There's more to it, but that's the core of the matter

[–]ghost_of_crazytrpr -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Who cares, If I make 23% more then I deserve 23% and make no excuses about it.

[–]semondemon24 25 points26 points  (2 children)

And dont forget, that 23% pays off when you can gold dig

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 6 points7 points  (1 child)

And even though the wages are very similar, women account for about 70% of all spending. Sure, there's shared household stuff in there. but at the end of the day - they might actually be 'earning' more if you look at it more holistically.

[–]Redrog1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't know if I'd like that. Imagine how complacent you would get.

Imagine how little pressure you would have suffered in life and therefore how your though paths would have developed. Imagine how addicted to that validation you'd be. Etc...

Sure it sucks when you have to go through it, but at the same time there is something freeing in knowing you went through it.

[–]68461674897051454980 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Imagine how awesome your day would be if people were always smiling at you, holding your doors open for you, offering to pay for your coffee n'shit, just for fucking showing up.

it would get pretty boring. You have to be really simple minded to find it cool after a while. Even if you have achieved something and now have some money, it's really repetitive and annoying when people just are nicer to you or want to be your friend because they know you've got some money

I think it's something in us guys where we don't really value attention/friendship/etc unless we feel we have actually deserved it, where as women are fine with that. Like if someone told you that you 'did a great job' on something, and you know you didn't, we can't really enjoy that. At least those of us that haven't succumbed to beta mental conditioning

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

It would neither be boring nor exciting, it would just be. It would be your reality, just like how the wind blows leaves, it would become a regular part of your day. It would be as noticed as a fish notices water.

[–]68461674897051454980 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

no, because i knew how it was before

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I was talking about the perspective of the woman, dude.

[–]68461674897051454980 6 points7 points  (0 children)

i haven't seen them get bored of it like I've seen guys get bored of it. If you know girls who were 'ugly ducklings', they usually love the constant attention once they get it

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    [–]newls 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    That's a fundamental difference between men and women. When you want to carry on improving and strive to be the best at something, women and weak men will ask 'Don't you feel good enough as you are?' which completely misses the point and shows they don't understand our motivations.

    As men we relish creating new challenges for ourselves and beating them. It's about being the best, the King of our chosen field. We are grateful for a hard life because it forces us to sharpen and improve.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Women aren't paid 77% of what men are paid for the same work. All women, on average, make 77% of what all men make (supposedly, although there are substantial reasons to doubt that figure), on average, without controlling for different career choices, time taken for maternity leave, education, etc. Once you control for those things, the "pay gap" is not much greater than rounding error.

    [–]johnn2015 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Only if you're an attractive female. Most females actually are not that attractive.

    [–]Meto1183 70 points71 points  (33 children)

    That comment now has 12x gold and a comment saying essentially "I agree" also got gold. How do people still not really get it

    [–][deleted] 85 points86 points  (28 children)

    Because they are all told that this subreddit is the devil and that it advocates misogyny and encourages all sorts of bad behavior. I wager that 80-90% of the people who say all those things about TRP have never visited TRP except where one particular post was linked.

    It would come as no surprise that most people just rattle off the same thing they hear about TRP a million times and never come here by themselves to see the truth and if they do so it would be with the pure intent to find negativity.

    [–]1oldredder 20 points21 points  (1 child)

    We're Patriarchy Devil Jihadis!


    [–]bitches_be_crazy86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I am so going to scream Allah Akbar when I cum.

    [–]dedom19 27 points28 points  (2 children)

    In all fairness half of the stuff on this sub is from people whom it could be argued are still in the "anger phase" and can pretty much be dismissed as such. So it is understandable that an outsider would come here and only see what they want to see to go along with their own viewpoint. And this sub gives them plenty of ammo regardless of how great some of the content is.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yes, too many faux RPers. Hell I almost wish people couldn't vote here until they've somehow been verified, but i guses that's not realistic. Too much beta bitching goes on in this sub, and I've seen a lot of good content get downvoted bc sometimes the bitterness of the pill strikes close to home.

    [–]Nespos 27 points28 points  (3 children)

    You're describing the "circle jerk" phenomenon that we all know runs rampant on Reddit. It's common to see "Why is this TRP place so terrible? Never visited and actually curious." followed by the standard slightly reworded vitriol that was 100% gathered from the responses to the same question in an earlier thread. You'll never see the true answer-- "Because it gets you easy karma."

    [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

    I had this happend to me.. guess who changed his life for the better?

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      [–]ColonelMitchell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Same. I found this sub over the weekend with it being advertised as a misgoynistic hate subreddit in an ask reddit thread. With the person making these claims being an obvious hugbox man-feminist, I investigated. I'm still here.

      [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (5 children)

      I've recently swallowed the pill, and in all honesty, TRP does come off as misogynist, at first I lurked /r/seduction a lot, and /r/theredpill seemed to be just like feminists at that moment tbh.

      Don't get me wrong, once I understood the essence of TRP, then I realized most of the "misogynist" posts were actually rants/anger phase posts, but that doesn't change the fact that you have to browse for a while until you understand it's not about blaming, but about self appreciation and self improvement.

      [–]PlanB_pedofile 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      I found /r/seduction to be more manipulative than trp. At least here we discuss and teach the basic nature of women and to navigate the real world where r/seduction seems to talk about faking till you make it and PUA plays.

      [–]1rlh1271 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      /r/seduction has turned into shit. There was a guy in there last week trying to convince other people and himself that the friend zone was a "gift."

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Oh totally, from my point of view women are involved in both, but in one they're the goal, while in the other they're a by-product of working towards the goal.

      [–]NikoMyshkin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      this was exactly my process too. it took me a while to realise that TRP isn't at all about misogyny. it's about figuring out how to have a relationship that satisfies you and your partner.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Mods, is there any way to block/delete a good amount of the generic gender hate, anger phase crap that distracts from the more pithy insight, and easily infects many new members?

      I have to agree with throw_em_all. When I first came here it was something I noticed immediately. And any time I tell someone about this sub, I ALWAYS qualify it by saying that even tho there's a lot of great stuff here, there's also a good bit of angry whiners just mad at women and somewhat mysogynistic. You know who you are.

      [–]CryptoManbeard 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      If you came here with your mind made up, you would get the validation you need. See, when you read threads you disregard the dumbass comments, and take things with a grain of salt (eg the guys who are in the anger phase and spewing women hate). Someone who doesn't want to swallow the pill will use that as evidence that we are all misogynists.

      [–]munky82 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      In a recent AskHamsters thread (it is discussed in another thread on TRP) somebody said that TRP promotes corrective rape, when I asked for evidence (so I can report that idiot to mods...): "I don't have the time to go into TRP but here is an example" with a link to an obvious troll on PurplePillDebate (which was downvoted anyway). Hamsters gonna hamster.

      Edit: Archived link

      [–]1xwm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I kinda want to go over there and point out that this comment that's been guilder 14+ times is a basic red pill Tennant just to see the influx of subscribers and the death threats as the doublethink is engaged

      [–]1London-Bananas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      That's also why it always goes "don't even go there! It's hostile and toxic!" instead of "it's just stupid and deluded, go see for yourself"

      [–]agentsmolder 10 points11 points  (3 children)

      Their loss. I find this subreddit to be something close to the environment Socrates and other philosophical men would create around them in those days, seriously. Even down to saboteurs without humility who would maybe feel insulted at the very presence of such a group of individuals, who we nowadays refer to as "trolls".

      70-80% of the discussion generally concerning truths about the nature and psyche of a woman, but sometimes you get some absolutely life altering truths here.

      [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

      What a fantastic way to look at the culture we have. Socrates was a soldier, a philosopher and a stoic who sought deeper truths. He'd fit right in here.

      [–]RiseAboveRuin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Fine with me. The success of a Red Piller depends on a capitalist mentality. If the rest of society catches on, we'll all be doing the same shit.

      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      How do people still not really get it

      For the most part, people only want to hear what they want to hear. Not the truth. They'll go to great extents just to hear one person validate their opinion or feeling.

      For example: If you search something like "What game console is better? Xbox or Playstation" and you all ready have a bias toward the playstation. You'll wind up with the playstation..

      There's going to be someone out there who says "Oh man, xbox sucks go with the playstation" even if it's commonly agreed upon by the majority that xbox is actually better.

      Just like with beta males. There's always going to be people out there who say "Just tell her how you really feel!" "Have you tried couples therapy?" "You don't want to go to the gym! Girls don't really like muscles, that's just a myth!" "My boyfriend cried and it made our relationship better!"

      Or how about the BP men who go on /r/relationships talking about their whore wife who got her throat damaged by 8 dicks at the bachelorette party and then say "well I guess it's okay cause we weren't officially married yet". They're just looking for someone to say "No it's okay your relationship is salvageable, just be a good nice boy and trust her".

      People are going to only listen to the answers that they want to hear.

      [–]_bluerabbit_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Truth is hard to accept, it needs to be sugar coated because reality isn't a nice place.

      [–]SunshineBlotters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Can you give a link to the comment by hitting "context" and copying the url since OP couldnt.

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        [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

        My buddy and I get cigars, pour ourselves some 12-year, and go to his roof about once/month.

        Lots of feelings shared.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I think you mean Coaches. My couch, while comfortable, is not very comforting or emotionally support.

        [–]alpha_n3rd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Cognitive dissonance in action

        [–]LukesLikeIt 18 points19 points  (5 children)

        What pisses me off the most is women trying to convince men that everything is ok and what they are doing is 'right' just to make them feel better in that moment. That's their solution to problems, temporary better feels.

        [–]M0RKET 13 points14 points  (4 children)

        It's not just that. They also want to limit "alpha-ness" to those who have it naturally (whatever that means). Learning to be alpha is something women typically have an aggressive stance against. So if they see a puss they don't want him to get any ideas, they want him to stay where he is. To them if somebody is a learned alpha - that's cheating and they feel betrayed or whatever. Wusses should stay wusses and be content with their lot in life, according to women. Hence the comforting comments.

        [–]coffee_and_lumber 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        I think it's really about hiding effort. Imagine if that same guy leaves town for a few years, then returns, now with a great job, in great shape, dressed in nice clothes, commanding presence, etc. This is a guy who is showing obvious upward movement and I'd argue that he gets more respect.

        EDIT: This is an argument for monk mode for sure, and for keeping tight-lipped around women about your swallowing of the pill. Women will make rules for men they disapprove of and excuses for the ones they do, as the saying goes.

        [–]PlanB_pedofile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        it would seem that the dissapearing monk mode gets more responses and command vs regular slow progress. Women want instant results and absence creates the illusion of instant success.

        [–]PlanB_pedofile 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        This digs deeper into female culture. I see this a lot on facebook. Women get jealous over other people's success. This is why they body shame and slut shame other women who better themselves or are skinny.

        say there's a group of 10 women and they all start out equal. one woman works really hard in the gym to be fit and becomes a model, she has 1 supporter that is envious but encouraging and the other 8 call her slut and anorexic behind her back.

        [–]neoaoshi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This must explain all this sjw and protein world shinanagins I see all the time.

        [–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (2 children)

        So I was skimming over the front page of Reddit to see if there was anything interesting in the 4 or 5 subs that actually have content and not just full of shit. The science ones tend to be interesting for instance. I also like to have a couple ''Test'' subreddits just to remind myself of the usual crap one sees on the entire site, such as Askreddit for example.

        It's OK, you can just admit youre a raging redditor you dont need to awkwardly justify it lol

        [–]Bortasz 14 points15 points  (3 children)

        For lazy ones archievet link: https://archive.is/h0xZL Also currently 17 gold and 493 upvotes.

        [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (2 children)

        The fucking white knights too.

        What stupid, sexist bullshit.

        Perhaps you can't get a compliment without thinking "bitch wants the D", but some of us are civilized people.

        [–]Bortasz 24 points25 points  (1 child)

        There is always some poor bastard that want to be captain safe the ho.
        Many here was in that place. Pity the fool and ignore him.

        [–]AUAUA 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I was. Sorry. I've changed.

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            [–]DickHeadSummationGuy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Seriously. One could remove all bias and still have RP theory confirmed.

            [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

            how many chicks will enjoy special forces lifestyle? fucking zero

            [–]coffee_and_lumber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This is always my go to mental comparison when I hear about the wage gap thing. The hardest jobs not only are performed by men, men are attracted to them. It's why I roll my eyes when all these articles are written about "why aren't there more female CEO's?" It's not because women are being prevented from getting to these positions (though I'm sure some feminist can find a couple anecdotal examples to prove me "wrong"). Being the leader of a large company is not something that attracts as many women as men.

            [–]juanqunt 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            This is why I say people instinctively know the truth... just they go through a lot of misguided conditioning.

            [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

            Same reason you see articles about how fat female models are just as "good" as skinny female models. I've never seen a condemnation of male models for being too skinny or too muscular.

            [–]ProductivityMonster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            There is a famous psych study about body images. They compared girls' ideal body image to the inhumanly proportioned barbie dolls and boys' ideal body image to the super muscular GI Joe dolls.

            [–]Drenmar 15 points16 points  (0 children)

            He's at 14 gold right now. I've also seen many other red pill responses in that thread with hundreds of upvotes. It really is ironic.

            [–]Johndoesmith67 6 points7 points  (5 children)

            women are applauded for what they are, men are applauded for what they do. My dad taught me that a long time ago. He (traveled alot in his youth) he also mentioned this is an American invention. Other countries have a similar yet different balance of these things. Especially Latin (spanish speaking) countries and parts of Europe.

            [–]IoSonCalaf 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            That's very interesting. Can you elaborate? I'm curious about the differences you mention.

            [–]Johndoesmith67 3 points4 points  (3 children)

            In places like South America and Mexico and Brazil. Women are socially constructed to bend towards men. They know THEY are the accent characters to a mans life an not the other way around. They are submissive...BY CHOICE and by their social norms and upbringing. Play with American women. Marry a Latin American one.

            [–]IoSonCalaf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yes, now that you mention it, I've seen this in action before. I just never put it together in a RP way like that. Thanks

            [–]Johndoesmith67 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Scratch that never get married

            [–]denmaur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            The parents of one of my ex's are from South America. When he drives up after work and blows his car horn, she rushes to put his food on the table and opens the front door for him. When he walks in, she's right there to greet him.

            I'd love to find one like that.

            [–]jrr6415sun 4 points5 points  (7 children)

            Almost every top comment in that post is about dicks or balls, it's very disturbing

            [–]RichieFinn 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            Welcome to AskReddit. Go check the hot posts on there at least 75% of them has something to do with masturbation or dicks or tits. Some guys just need to get out more.

            [–]bluedrygrass 7 points8 points  (5 children)

            What's disturbing is the total lack of the most basilar knowledge about the male genitals the vast majority of women shows. Things like "where does the penis go when it's not erect"? "How does it fit in the pants?" "How do you not sit on your balls?"

            But then we are the clueless ignorant ones.

            [–]coffee_and_lumber 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            But then we are the clueless ignorant ones.

            It's about the same both ways. The difference is that by and large we don't laugh derisively to our friends about our lady "not being able to find it" or whatever the equivalent is.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            Things like "where does the penis go when it's not erect"? "How does it fit in the pants?" "How do you not sit on your balls?"

            That's most likely misunderstood by them because they surround themselves with men wearing tight skinny jeans.

            [–]IoSonCalaf 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            Can we be done with the skinny jeans thing aready? It just looks ridiculous. Are they proud they have stick legs and look like they're wearing leotards?

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              [–]CoriolanusRevisited 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Levi 541, a new 'athletic' cut released this year that is great for someone that squats and wants to wear jeans that are fitted instead of hipster skinny or middle school baggy.

              [–]Niordd 5 points6 points  (2 children)

              TRP is not only about relation with woman. This is rather a life philosophy of mastering yourself. Facing the truth and embracing it.

              I have read a lot of books about self improvement and the basic ideas are EXACTLY the same as TRP.

              That is why I have clear disction between guys here who are focusing on seducing and fucking as many as they can and the TRP guys, who are (in my opinion) more than that.

              [–]coffee_and_lumber 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              TRP is not only about relation with woman. This is rather a life philosophy of mastering yourself. Facing the truth and embracing it.

              If fucking women were not such a prime directive for men, TRP would still exist, though likely in some other form.

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              I like to just think of it more along the lines that women have a default value to society, that is, they can provide new members through child birth. Men have to acquire the skills that make them valuable unless genetically blessed in some inheritable trait like looks. Even a genetically smarter person or superior athlete must work on their skills to reach the top 1%. Women literally just have to make it to child bearing age to be of value.

              [–]averageredpill 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Women are born, Men are forged.

              [–]1NV0K3R 7 points8 points  (2 children)

              In the end, everyone's a red shirt until they become a captain.

              [–]frys180 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

              Lol some people won't get this joke XD

              [–]Elonine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Star trek is super obscure

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                [–]Bortasz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Mix of both is correct answer.

                [–]north1south 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                Wow, x17 gold. Holy smokes I've never heard of anyone getting that much gold on one comment.

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                  [–]ostroman1989 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  look there is me and there is random girl from my class. we both have roughly the same genes thus we look roughly the same given gender differences, we also behave the same for better or worse. we even come from roughly similar upbringings and have the same birth year.

                  she gets the 9/10 treatment, I get girls talk to me from time to time and start shit testing (I have developed ways to interact with a lot of women without cold approaching based on art positioning and looks), thats it. ok I admit my features (russian) look better on women but still. I wish I had chicks trying to "figure me out" for months at a time like her orbiters.

                  I wonder though what shell do as she doesn't seem to have studied anything after the army and works as a secretary, are they going to eject her after she hits the wall and there is a surplus of token older women in her office? she isn't stupid and has astronomical smv and RMV however, but she doesn't appear to be able to cash out on it.

                  [–]twopizzas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  IF men achieve anything they tend to be RESPECTED. Women tend to be LOVED just for being around.

                  This guy explains the respect vs love concept really well

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I believe you mean pavlovian.

                  [–]my_redpill_account 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  There's another thread for men now. I posted on my main account there some reality and I'm curious for how it will turn out.

                  [–]BoerMaakNPlaan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Where is this comment, I cant find it anymore

                  [–]Swanksterino -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                  So is he complaining, or just observing? Cause, yeah. Men gotta do shit to differentiate themselves, from other men. And you can do that, complain about it, or move to another country. I mean it's not a 'Murica, thing for me, it's just the reality. Does the is the original OP wantingwanting more compliments? Cause pining away for it sounds kinda weak. I don't know why.

                  [–]bonbravebonobo -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

                  I gotta disagree, I get compliments all the time, especially when I wear any shade of blue. Helps to be pretty...androgynous, metro, meh I've had women tell me nice things about the way I look my whole life. I don't think this post is pointing at some inherent truth at all...kudos for writing though

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                    [–]bonbravebonobo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    That is a decent idea, might have fun at worst :p

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