1st Pick Overall Jameis Winston's false rape accuser Erika Kinsman had a boyfriend - who she had sex with the night of the non-rape (self.TheRedPill)

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[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (18 children)

One my dad's best friend's sons was the starting quarter back for a D2 school. He met this chick, they started hanging out, had sex once, and then he realized he gone messed up and stuck his dick in crazy. He said he didn't want to see her anymore so she cried rape. He got kicked off the team and lost his scholarship BEFORE the case went to trial. Well eventually the truth came out, they had exchanged like 30,000 texts, many of which saying she wanted to sleep with him before and after the event. (Save your texts gentlemen). He got his scholarship back and was let back on the team but he lost a year of his life and his image is destroyed for life. Such BS.

[–]SasquatchCunt 8 points9 points  (15 children)

I'd be looking to play ball somewhere else after that bullshit.

[–]ruok4a69 13 points14 points  (14 children)

NCAA rules don't allow transfers easily. Colleges basically own their scholarship athletes.

[–]6of1halfdozenofother 10 points11 points  (13 children)

That's because the NCAA is the new slave plantation.

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

he should press charges against the school

[–][deleted] 75 points76 points  (9 children)

This is the "rape culture" we keep hearing about; slutty women playing the victim card and running to the media to cry and make a scene. Then, when the accuser is found to be not truthful, the accused is still left with a broken image. But hey, women need more rights nowadays /s

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[–]2renzy77 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Something to keep in mind if you ever have a ONS with a woman who has a boyfriend or husband. She will not hesitate to throw you under the bus if her infidelity is discovered. Look at the study Kanin [1] did on false rape accusations and the very first reason you'll see listed is providing an alibi:

Of the 45 cases of false charges, over one-half (56%, n = 27) served the complainants' need to provide a plausible explanation for some suddenly foreseen, unfortunate consequence of a consensual encounter, usually sexual, with a male acquaintance.

[1] http://sf-criminaldefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/KaninFalseRapeAllegations.pdf

[–]rockymountainoysters 14 points15 points  (0 children)


56% of "rapes" in this 1994 study seemed awfully fucking convenient for the woman.

[–]no_face 6 points7 points  (1 child)

i have pointed out several times that pursuing taken women is a lack of abundance mentality.

Its just not worth the hassle, the hiding, the lying, etc.

Look at this chick, she's not even that hot. Winston could have easily have 4 prettier single ones in his stable if he wanted to.

[–]Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fair point. But how was he supposed to know she was a "kept" woman? Should we add that to list of questions now? How old are you, let me see the ID, have you been drinking, do you care to engage in sexual relations, please sign this YES/YES form, please let me know that at any time you say no - even if 2 weeks later after the act - that I have raped you. Oh, by the way, you have a boyfriend?

I jest, but not really. Christ this is sad.

[–]1R_E_D_1 54 points55 points  (2 children)

And, yet again, women do more damage to legitimacy of real rape victims. So much for the sisterhood.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 12 points13 points  (0 children)

While police are told to get the conviction rate up, and are incentivised to do so.

[–]NightGod 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've said it before: women help each other like crabs in a bucket.

[–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 24 points25 points  (2 children)

HA! I fucking called it on my main account on the primary subs. Many people refused to believe me, trying to argue that I have no way of knowing blah blah blah, we need more information. But as we all know, these false rapes almost always follow her being a huge slut and getting caught. I fucking got the spidy sense soon as I heard about her false rape. It just felt like another one of those cases where BF found out, and she didn't want the reputation of slutting it up.

I love being right about these things. Right on the fucking target.

[–]2IVIaskerade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If they go to the media first, it's pretty much a given.

If they go to the media after getting a "not guilty" verdict, it's a maybe.

[–]a-memorable-fancy 178 points179 points  (26 children)

I just hope cases like these don't end up distracting from the real problem, which is and always has been sexual assault against women. Did you know 5 out of every 1 women will experience stare rape in her lifetime? It's a real thing.

[–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 43 points44 points  (5 children)

It actually really bothers me that my automatic reaction to rape accusations is to not believe them now. False accusations like this really hurt real rape victims.

[–]1jb_trp 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Agreed. Especially when the most famous accusation of rape on college campuses have all been so brazenly false (Duke Lacrosse, UVa, the mattress girl...). They're not helping make their case with this stuff.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We have a "rape lying culture"

[–]a-memorable-fancy 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The only sexual assault you should be obliged to care about is that which happens to close friends or family. Unless you're a police investigator, other people's troubles are their own business. Give your sympathy and move on.

[–]whataboutudummy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't stress about it. Truth outs. Usually.

[–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's an easy way to deal with this. Trust, then verify.

When you hear a girl claiming rape, it is fine to treat her as telling the truth. Therapy, sympathy etc. are all normal responses to this. It harms nobody, and will minimise psychological damage if it turns out she was raped.

However, if she wants to make the allegation against someone (rather than just "I was raped" it becomes "X raped me") then they must have proof. If they want to take it any further than getting help for themselves, they must be able to back up their claim.

Where people get suspicious is when they don't go through the channels that would require a thorough and unbiased education and instead start spreading the news around personally, or trying to get the media involved.

Trust, then verify.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 48 points49 points  (11 children)

Damn right they will, I make sure of it. I stare rape every girl I see.

[–]a-memorable-fancy 3 points4 points  (9 children)

Really? Every last one? Cause I wouldn't be so certain if I were you.

EDIT: Yeah didn't think this one through.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Yeah, even her. I am an equal opportunity stare rapist, even fat or ugly chicks, however I draw the line if they might be too young, I'm not a pedophile. Big and ugly girls need attention too, and quite honestly having the same mentality towards all girls makes you more at ease and confident with the hot ones. In 20 years, most hottys will look like the pic.

[–]a-memorable-fancy 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Yeah true. It's not about actually liking them, it's about honing your own skills.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Damn right, I flirted with a 61 year old last week. The 20 something cashier two aisles down was watching and listening, she's my actual target. I had everyone in the store smiling and laughing, and made the old chicks day brighter.

Practice and laying foundations for later.

[–]a-memorable-fancy 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Wisdom like this is why I come to get my ass kicked.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Big picture thinking while paying attention to the here and now.

[–]Chinny4daWinny 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Still more attractive than most of these american whales.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I stare rape the hell out of women. Though I only do it when they aren't looking. I even go so far as to imagine myself going up to them, introducing myself, and then asking for their phone number. I'm a horrible person.

[–]1mojo_juju -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Did you see this article? Is this the 1 in 5 you're talking about? If not, provide a source for your claim, or don't pull claims out of your ass. We appreciate information references here.

The full study, which was published by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, a division within DOJ, found that rather than one in five female college students becoming victims of sexual assault, the actual rate is 6.1 per 1,000 students, or 0.61 percent (instead of 1-in-5, the real number is 0.03-in-5). For non-students, the rate of sexual assault is 7.6 per 1,000 people.

New DOJ Data On Sexual Assaults: College Students Are Actually Less Likely To Be Victimized

[–]a-memorable-fancy 1 point2 points  (3 children)

How the fuck could you misread my post that poorly?

[–]1mojo_juju 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I didn't. I merely asked for clarification and requested the source reference.

[–]a-memorable-fancy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

And my post is clearly a joke, which you would've seen if you'd read it.

[–]1mojo_juju 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My bad, sometimes I can read text and see inherent sarcasm, but other times I don't and I'm like, "WTF?".
Maybe make your sarcasm more apparent with a " /s " (just an idea)? Anyways, I am at times quite foolish, fully admit it.

[–]68461674897051454980 87 points88 points  (11 children)

at minimum, now that her name is tied to this hopefully her family and future children will know what a desperate ho their mother was.

at best, hopefully she is hit with a slander lawsuit or something.

if you're anyone, but especially someone with money or someone coming up, you NEED to document all your time and encounters because of shit like this. a $300 go pro vs a few years and jail and losing a lot of money, easy choice


drove her to her dorm on his scooter.


[–]dennislang 77 points78 points  (1 child)

drove her to her dorm on his scooter.

Maybe that was the problem?

"You mean you don't even have a car? Eww! That was so, like, rape!"

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Actually, it just goes to prove that women only care about certain aspects of a mans life based on his status.

First draft D1 College Football player, QB at that? I don't give a fuck what you drive. She would be caught riding on the back of this crab stealers pegs.

Average dude with a scooter? what a CREEP.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Apparently I missed something, I thought fat chicks were like scooters, you never let anyone catch you riding one, but this was a twofer.

[–]crayzar 8 points9 points  (7 children)

At my college they gave all the football players scooters to get around on to "make it to class on time".

[–]4_YRT 9 points9 points [recovered]

No they don't. That would violate NCAA regulations.

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah I think that guy is just making shit up.

[–]DannyDemotta -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

Give. Rent. Loan. Dont freak out over word choice, dude. Its not that important.

[–]4_YRT 0 points0 points [recovered]

the college can't offer anything to an athlete that it doesn't offer to other students on equal terms aside from specifically mandated perks like food allowances. So, the college can't "give, rent, or loan" the scooters unless they make the same offer to every student.

[–]whataboutudummy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you are the naive one here. Just my gut feeling. Remember he may be talking about a decade or two ago, too.

[–]DannyDemotta -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Care to post an all-inclusive list of perks that are and arent allowed, champ? Because last i checked, athletes get access to exclusive facilities, equipment, coaches, trainers, and the list goes on and on.

Letting an athlete (or any student for that matter) use a bicycle, or scooter, wheelchair, or ipad or laptop, while on campus, is not that big of a deal. Its not like a car or truck meant for off campus/everyday use. Theres a limited amount of usefulness with a scooters

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[–]bitches_be_crazy86 6 points7 points  (22 children)

I have told this already but recording sex seems like a very smart thing to do. Voice might be enough but video would be better. I already have a free app that records all my phone conversations.

[–]johnyann 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Pierre Woodman started one of the most successful porn companies in Europe because he wanted a video record of the women in Budapest he was having sex with saying that they were 18.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (12 children)

In some places it is illegal to record without other persons consent and the evidence would therefore be inadmissible in court.

[–]2Overkillengine 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In the court of law, sure. In the court of public opinion though? The sky is the limit!

If she is fine with ruining a man's reputation, a man can be fine with ruining her reputation in return.

[–]Krobrah_Kai 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Even then, the evidence although inadmissible can be used to rebut the veracity of the witness: "impeachment" in legalese. You will probably be charged for violating an illegal recording/wiretapping statute (if the case got to trial stage).

[–]2Overkillengine 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Still better than a rape charge.

[–]Krobrah_Kai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hopefully, a lawyer can get the charges dismissed before it ever goes to trial.

If curious (for shits n' giggles, of course...not because you have a "problem"), avfm has a database of rape based judicial opinions.

[–]PlebDestroyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you tell me if this law exists in wisconsin?

[–]bitches_be_crazy86 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Not in my jurisdiction :-D

[–]tekn0_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Which place would that be? Cali?

[–]bitches_be_crazy86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. Filming is ok and doesn't require consent. Only publishing it is illegal. Ideal legal situation as you can film secretely and use it for research evaluation / purposes ;-) and also to avoid fales rape charges.

[–]ruok4a69 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not only that, but a felony in and of itself in some places.

[–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the victim goes to the media, so can you. There are consequences for trying to play dirty against someone with proof.

[–]Hypnot0ad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I believe the other player deleted the video (of her on top, cowgirl style) because he didn't want to get in trouble.

[–]fake7272 0 points1 point  (0 children)

she was "drunk" which means that she was some what conscious but couldnt consent. might be possible if the girl is like .2 but she was .04. obviously a bs lie.

[–]RedCoris 18 points19 points  (2 children)

I have found that females entertain reputation an extraordinary amount. Drunk at a bar and see the NBT (Next Best Thing, is what i call it) and decides to forgets everything that her relationship with her current boyfriend has amounted to. When it blows up in her face, when her reputation as a slut, bitch, nasty surfaces, she externalizes rather than internalizes. Winston raped me! No bitch, you are just a slut. We can safely assume in her past she constantly got put on a pedestal, thinking she was little miss perfect.

[–]WazzuMadBro 12 points13 points  (1 child)

NBT is ruthless with women. I'm a big attractive guy who makes good money and lead an interesting fast lifestyle. Around most guys I get treated like the alpha but my best friend in my circle is the alpha (were so similar people think were brothers). He's my boss at work and the president of our MC while I'm VP. etc. Honestly he's a mentor to me.

Anyways, I'd been seeing this girl for a few weeks and she's acting like she's in love with me by now and we do a double date with my friend and her friend. My date basically forgot I was there and tried flirting with him the whole time and would even make remarks of how he was the real deal and eventually straight up insulted me by saying I was half way there. At that point I was done and told him I was going for a smoke. He came out to join me and immediately said, ditch this stupid cunt. He was just as blown away at her disrespectful display as me. We went back, paid the tab, said later and bounced. I stopped talking to her even though she kept messaging me for a good week asking what was up with me and when I ran into her again a few weeks later she tried to seduce me but I just blew her off and ignored her while talking to another girl I ended up taking home.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sometimes you have to NEXT them out of principle. Disrespect is disrespect - it's kind of a one strike and you're out kind of deal.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I'm a student at FSU currently and the vast majority of people here assume that the girl was just some lying bitch looking to get her 15 minutes of fame and/or money.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Over in the Fempire that's called "Rape Culture".

[–]RedPillAnonymous 33 points34 points  (10 children)

Feminist rape culture awareness propaganda campaigns are really raising awareness for how common false rape allegations are. If rape was so common, and false accusations so rare, why do all of their best attempts to expose it turn out to expose another false allegation?

[–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 19 points20 points  (3 children)

It's ridiculous how often all of these huge rape stories have turned out to be false. And not even exaggerated or half truths, but completely fabricated stories.

I don't think that rape doesn't happen, but I have a feeling most real rape victims aren't looking to turn their experience into a national headline. I can only imagine how traumatic an actual rape experience would be, all I would want is justice, a trial and to talk about it as little as possible.

What sort of person wants to spread news they were raped to every news station and everyone they know? That's not something I feel most people would share with anyone other than very close friends or family.

[–]Krobrah_Kai 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You know Roosh's stance: P=F.

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think that rape doesn't happen, but I have a feeling most real rape victims aren't looking to turn their experience into a national headline. I can only imagine how traumatic an actual rape experience would be, all I would want is justice, a trial and to talk about it as little as possible.

That's what happens. Women who are attacked, assaulted, and traumatized by it happening don't want to relive it. Hopefully they tell the cops and testify.

But women who are simply generating an emotion to fit a bit like an actor? They're glad to repeat their story and share it over and over and over again. It's not traumatic for them, it's acting a bit that gets them the attention and awards that they want. They experience the emotions - but because it's not real, they don't experience like someone actually victimized would.

It's a sad situtation really, but it is how it is.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The actual rate is 40 to 60%. Don't expect to see this talked about in the media.

[–]2IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (3 children)

It's because all the ones that were provable were quietly dealt with by the police. The victim got their closure, and moved on.

The problem arises when there's no proof and the accuser doubles down. Rather than keep it within the law system, they instead take it to the media, and when the media can shout "look, the police are ignoring this!" it gets very big, very fast.

You never hear about the real ones because they're resolved.

[–]RedPillAnonymous 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hamstring. Feminists have launched a huge rape hysteria campaign. They are using the best examples they can get their hands on.

[–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They are using the best examples they can get their hands on.

All of which turned out to be false, thus ultimately harming their campaign. Hardly the "best" examples.

What I'm pointing out is that every single one that gets blown up in the media is likely to be false, simply because that doesn't tend to happen to the true ones.

There really isn't any way for them to make true cases blow up like the false ones, so they end up with two options. They can either get no exposure, or they can turn people against them with their ridiculous signal boosting of blatantly false cases. Either option is bad for them, so they choose the one that gets the most money in the short term.

[–]RedPillAnonymous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They can't find any true ones to blow up in the media, because rape is far rarer than false allegations. Betas won't rape even if it means incel for life. Alphas don't need to. Rapists are like serial killers and paedophiles, rare as fuck.

[–]EightyTimes 13 points14 points  (3 children)

The silliest part about accusations like these: High SMV men don't NEED to rape.

Why bother to intoxicate, force, or 'take advantage' of a girl when there are plenty of other chick DTF that don't have boyfriends, don't need to be forced, and don't need a drop of alcohol?

For these men, a 1 second risk/reward analysis will tell you it's not worth it to rape.

It almost seems as if these accusations aren't just a weapon, but also an ego boost on the part of the chick. "I'm so desirable that this hish SMV FORCED me to fuck him".

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That last bit is a recurring theme in feminist lit btw. They are magically compelled to fuck the evil cismen.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Although in general this is the #1 reason I'm extremely skeptic any time a famous person is accused of rape, there are some sick fucks out there who get off on knowing the other party isn't consenting.

Darren Sharper probably being the best recent example. The evidence against him was very strong and it's likely he somehow got off on drugging chicks and having his way with them. Note that his victims didn't make blog posts and carry a mattress around town. They went directly to the police and filed charges.

[–]rpkarma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure. But I highly doubt 1/5 women manage to run into those sick fucks. And I also highly doubt that college campuses are hotbeds of sick fuck activity.

[–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 18 points19 points  (3 children)

The entire rape culture/rape epidemic only exists because feminists have decided to change the definition of the word rape.

If anyone examines the issue logically, you'd realize the idea that the college demographic being so much more likely to commit rape is ridiculous. The most well off, educated, and driven young adults are the ones most likely to commit a horrible crime that jeopardizes their future? Logically that demographics is the LEAST likely to commit crimes.

The only reason there is a rape epidemic is because the definition of rape has been expanded to regret sex or drunk sex. Everyone knows college kids get drunk and do stupid shit. I'm not sure why feminists have decided that this is such a pressing issue. Maybe it's something against "patriarchal white privileged" fratstars hooking up with all the girls.

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And college athletes too apparently.

[–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The feminists with power all went to college or are in the women's studies department in colleges. They only care about the men who are at their social strata so that means guys in college. Rape in college is less prevalent than in the population at large but these women only care about domineering over the guys they interact with - not poor black gang bangers who they never even speak to.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bingo. The feminists who started this shit are still pissed about how they were pumped and dumped by the more popular students in college.

[–]ghost_of_crazytrpr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Two words: Record everything

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Stuff like this makes me think about installing a pinhole camera right in the ceiling above my bed, lest the hamster bites the hand that feeds it

[–]1London-Bananas 6 points7 points  (2 children)

It's funny how rape is only reported when there's something to win for her (eg hide cheating, get money, save reputation). But when it's the real deal, they suddenly don't do anything. I know two women who were genuinely assault raped on the street, and neither reported even anything. One I knew well and it was the classics "nothing will happen, too traumatized to go through it again, ashamed".

It made me furious. Still does to this day. Not reporting this is willingly putting other women to risk the same because you're too weak/lazy/scared to do anything about it. Just the idea that they'd go through all that for someone else was just completely incomprehensible to her. God damn it makes me mad just writing this.

[–]cl3ophatra -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's a terrible way to look at it. Plenty of victims young girls too. Most rapists know the victim. Family members, good family friends, etc. There is fear and power involved. There is a lot of psychological manipulation such as a repeat rapist making sure a victim thinks they brought it onto themselves, etc. I get where you are coming from but it's one of those things you can't comprehend unless it has happened to you and each situation is different. And this stupid bitch makes people second guess a victim when they do tell someone. So fucking gross. She should go to jail

[–]H_to_Tha_OV -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It's not always just weakness or paranoia. Unless it's a physically forced rape, the evidence is often too weak for court. It's he said she said. Plus victims often blame themselves. I'm more skeptical when the woman is extremely willing to go public with a highly circumstantial case.

[–]Air4ce1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You can read Jameis Winston's account of the alleged rape. He basically goes into explicit detail of what exactly happened, down to the minor sexual details. Comparing his account to her account I most certainly believe Winston.

[–]fingerbangbng 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Relevant story. Met this girl about two/three months ago who's 24, three kids who live with their dad because she works and he's out of the military or some story, worked as a bar manager which is where I met her and slept with her that night (shitty alcoholic's body). Way too many red flags so was cool to her in the morning and got some texts about the good time she had etc just in case.

Anyways, she is on like OkCupid, POF, Tinder, etc. and has her snapchat name on there which is relevant because I was bored and perusing snapchat today when I see where she posts to her story, "Sorry everyone. I was raped a couple days ago..I'm not ignoring you I just feel like laying in bed." (Picture is of her wall or something). Next snapchat is same picture of her wall with the text, "Can anyone local bring me some food..I don't have my car." And the finisher (picture of her legs crossed on the couch) "I'm fine. I'm just sad and not very talkative. Cheer me up?" A few months ago I would've felt terrible for her and outraged that some douche took advantage of her. Now I see it for what it really is, a perfect beta-bait trap. She's basically broadcasting this to every guy on OkC or POF in our (fairly-large) area.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (13 children)

Humiliation and violation of vulnerability can cause people to do strange things. I have no doubt that she felt raped by this experience. But that does not mean Winston raped her.

This is just the start. Take careful note that our society and laws are moving into a direction where "feeling raped" is the same thing as "being raped".

[–]H_to_Tha_OV 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Yup. I personally have no problem with expanding the definition of "non consensual" sex. Its a good thing that rape is not just the stereotypical physical attacker scenario. The problem is that the "perpetrator" is treated the same, regardless.

Can a man have sex with a girl, not realizing she's not really in a position to consent? Sure. Lets say girl is blacked out drunk but still functioning. Guy is drunk too, and can't tell she's too drunk to fuck. Did she consent? No. But did the man assault her? Hell no. That needs to be better reflected on our laws.

[–]real-boethius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

blacked out drunk

A lot of people seem to misunderstand this term. A black-out drunk is someone who does not remember what happened the next morning. This does not mean they were unconscious. It just means that the alcohol inhibited the laying down of long term memories.

A so-called black-out drunk can be perfectly normal, a bit merry perhaps, but fully in command of their faculties. The failure to retain / lay down long term memories can even be a result of alcohol they drank later on.

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (10 children)

Yup. I personally have no problem with expanding the definition of "non consensual" sex. Its a good thing that rape is not just the stereotypical physical attacker scenario. The problem is that the "perpetrator" is treated the same, regardless.

Can a man have sex with a girl, not realizing she's not really in a position to consent? Sure. Lets say girl is blacked out drunk but still functioning. Guy is drunk too, and can't tell she's too drunk to fuck. Did she consent? No. But did the man assault her? Hell no. That needs to be better reflected on our laws.

The problem isn't that they've expanded the definition to "passed out drunk" - that was already considered rape.

The problem is they're trying to expand the definition to "consensual sex that either she felt bad about the next day, or she decided he should be forced to date her or he'll face rape charges". Girls have gone to the cops, and straight up given stories that were basically "we had a friends with benefits relationship, we talked and agreed to stop it, I got into bed with him to go to sleep, he wanted to have sex, I turned him down, later again he wanted to have sex, I wanted to get some sleep for the next day so I had sex with him rather than turning him down again - HE RAPED ME".

If you're convicted of rape, men show up to your house, drag you away, tell everyone you know you're an evil immoral scumbag, and put a record of that for every time you apply for a job or an apartment. And did I mention spending time in jail where you have a greatly increased risk of being raped by inmates?

To do that to someone - because a girl decided she'd rather have sex than leave and be sleepy the next morning - that is what "expanding the definition of rape" that they're talking about.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children)

The problem is they're trying to expand the definition to "consensual sex that either she felt bad about the next day, or she decided he should be forced to date her or he'll face rape charges". Girls have gone to the cops, and straight up given stories that were basically "we had a friends with benefits relationship, we talked and agreed to stop it, I got into bed with him to go to sleep, he wanted to have sex, I turned him down, later again he wanted to have sex, I wanted to get some sleep for the next day so I had sex with him rather than turning him down again - HE RAPED ME".

This is incredibly important. Feminists want to change legal definitions of rape so that any amount of "convincing" becomes coercion, and coercion is of course considered rape by them. As a man, you are guilty until proven innocent of this crime. The brave new world we're heading towards - well, no, perhaps the world we're already living in - is one where a woman can claim a man raped her, and he's entirely powerless to defend himself against the accusation.

Basically, men need to wake the fuck up. We are living in a society that treats our personal freedom and civil rights as inconsequential - a society that treats our very lives as expendable. Actual revolutions have been fought over less, and yet very few men seem to care about or even realize what is going on. Frankly, I'm baffled.

[–]H_to_Tha_OV 0 points1 point  (8 children)

I hear ya, but don't have the same fear. In reality, most rapes are extemely difficult to prove and as such don't get pursued. Thats why many REAL victims don't even bother reporting it. That's why I don't believe this broad - she's all over TV.

Now, Roethlisberger's victim - totally believable. Did not want to be seen and opted to settle.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Any guy who gets laid regularly, especially with randoms, should have that fear. On a long enough timeline you are going to fuck a girl who regrets it in the morning, and that girl will happen to be some cunt who would rather ruin your life than admit responsibility for her actions. This is one of the main reasons I try to avoid girls knowing my real name or details when I sleep with them - and why I avoid having a facebook or any other easily searchable net presence that would lead back to my real name. I had one chick threaten to FRA me once, and that was more than enough to make me start being careful. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life in a 5 by 5 cell on the whim of some bitch who changed her mind about sex with me after she had consensual sex with me; win, lose, or draw that will never happen.

Real victims often don't bother reporting it for a variety of reasons, including the terrible drawn-out process of them testifying against their rapist, etc.

Big ben rapistberger is actually pretty well known as a scumbag so that doesn't particularly surprise me. I'm not saying literally all public rape accusations are bullshit... just most of them. From UVA all the way back to the Duke lacrosse team, it's mostly bullshit lie after bullshit lie. Rapistberger, to me, represents an exception to the rule.

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'm not saying literally all public rape accusations are bullshit... just most of them. From UVA all the way back to the Duke lacrosse team, it's mostly bullshit lie after bullshit lie. Rapistberger, to me, represents an exception to the rule.

The problem remains - genuinely victimized woman often do not report it's true, but women just making stuff up or trying to cover up a consensual decision are far more likely to report it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Absolutely. Furthermore, genuinely victimized women who DO report it are being continually fucked over by the sensationalist media which has trumped up all of these false rape cases as fact.

People are beginning to take rape accusations far less seriously due to the fact that the media doesn't hesitate to publicize and demonize the accused, and time after time the accusations have been shown to be bullshit.

The only sane solution is actually pretty simple: start enforcing the laws we already have. If a woman makes a false rape accusation, lock her up for lying to the police. However, as we've seen time and time again, the criminal justice system is simply unwilling to hold women to the same standard as it holds men. Equality my ass.

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (1 child)

People are beginning to take rape accusations far less seriously due to the fact that the media doesn't hesitate to publicize and demonize the accused, and time after time the accusations have been shown to be bullshit.

I personally went through that. Someone close to me was actually raped, and I took care of her for a year while she tried to recover. But now when someone tells me "I was raped" my first reaction is skeptisism. Not that I usually say that to them, but it's not longer immediate sympathy.

I don't want to lock up women for a lack of proof, but they should be locked up when it's very proveable that they were lying. This is nuts, and hurts actual victims so that crazy women can get away with crazy attacks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, like any crime you should have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty.

My story is: back in my semi-beta days, I once had a girl literally say to me: "What if I tell the cops that you raped me?" when I was trying to throw her out of my place. Not in a joking way, either - she was 100% serious. People like that exist, and our criminal justice system should not be structured in a way that they can easily take advantage of it.

Right now, if you're a woman and you hate a guy, there are ten thousand ways you can abuse the legal system to make his life a living hell and even if you're caught lying you'll never be punished. Here's another great example: did you know that, as a woman, if you file for a restraining order against a man, an emergency protective order will automatically be granted without any sort of scrutiny into the evidence? All you have to do is make up a story, and then the order is temporarily granted until the court date to determine if it gets extended.

Take a guess whether or not the woman faces any consequences if it's determined that her story is bullshit. Hint: no. Take a guess whether she gets free legal services due to various women's groups, etc. Hint: yes.

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I hear ya, but don't have the same fear.

I agree with your other points, but on the above quote that's basically the problem.

This is the story of a girl who went to the police and reported she'd been raped:

...was in her room with a guy with whom she’d been hooking up for three months. They’d now decided — mutually, she thought — just to be friends. When he ended up falling asleep on her bed, she changed into pajamas and climbed in next to him. Soon, he was putting his arm around her and taking off her clothes. ‘I basically said, “No, I don’t want to have sex with you.” And then he said, “OK, that’s fine” and stopped. . . . And then he started again a few minutes later, taking off my panties, taking off his boxers. I just kind of laid there and didn’t do anything — I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish. I pulled my panties back on and went to sleep. Six weeks later, the woman reported that she had been raped.

When George Will wrote a piece stating the obvious - that it's clearly not "sexual assault" because a girl could ask to guy to leave but decides she'd rather have sex so she can go to sleep sooner: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will-college-become-the-victims-of-progressivism/2014/06/06/e90e73b4-eb50-11e3-9f5c-9075d5508f0a_story.html

You saw an outpouring of stuff like this from feminists, here's one from Time magazine, where apparently he got fired:

In his June 6 column—which has gotten him fired from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch—he recounts a story from Swarthmore College in which a woman experienced date rape. The woman had been “hooking up” with a guy but then decided to just be platonic friends, a decision she thought was mutual. One night he fell asleep in her bed and she put on her pajamas and climbed in as well, thinking nothing of it. However, he began to pull off her clothes. She said no, but he persisted and she relented and let him do his thing. Six weeks later she filed rape charges.

This was typical of what feminists were claiming:

When he does use terms like “sexual assault” or rape “survivors”, he puts them in scare quotes to remind us that those are terms used by “supposed victims”. In George Will’s arrogant little head those victims do not have the intellectual capacity he does to really understand how to distinguish a legitimate rape from just boys being boys I guess...Mr. Will’s views are all too prevalent in our blame the victim rape culture.

They got colleges to set up "tribunals" where they would try and kick out accussed "rapists" like this one - because of stories like this girls. That was around the time when finally people started to wake up and say this doesn't make sense.

Not having the fear this could happen is nieve, because they already pushed it into law, only being forced into backing down when they got unlucky and several high publicity rape accussations proved to be completely false after that, and they lost momentum.

[–]H_to_Tha_OV 0 points1 point  (1 child)

We can agree to disagree. These cases are the exception, not the rule. We could talk all day about the stupid shit clogging the legal system, it doesn't mean the likelihood is raising substantially for the average man.

To me, street justice is the greater concern. But we all know - don't stick your dick in crazy.

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We can agree to disagree. These cases are the exception, not the rule.

No, this is the problem referenced earlier.
First, someone says "this stuff could happen". And you're like naaaaaah, things like that are just a weird exception.
Then they get this viewpoint pushed into federal law that all universities have to approach things this way. You're still like "naaaaah, things like this are the weird exception". Then they get writers fired for standing up to them and pointing out what they're doing. And you're still like "naaaah, things like this are the weird exception".

You seem to miss that laws are passed. They're not handed down from an omnipotent being.

If these people succeed your whole "hard to prove" thing will go out the window. Someone would accuse you for any reason - even someone you had never actually slept with - and you would have to prove that didn't rape them. Can you provide conclusive proof that you did not rape a girl this week? You cannot. You say you were at home alone asleep, she says you were attacking her in your room. Prove that didn't happen. You can't.

When they change the laws, the likelyhood is increased for the average man. And that's what they're trying to do.

[–]blue_27 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She also reported that he drugged her, but no traces of drugs were in her system. Other than the 0.048 BAC.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

TL/DR: White girl from a good family gets videotaped with a mouth full of black, football-player cock. Says she was raped. Intentionally destroys the life of a man to preserve her image. No evidence supports her case. Plenty of evidence counters it. The court of public opinion sides with her.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"Winston told the girl she couldn't stay and drove her to her dorm on his scooter." The thug life choose him

[–]RedPillAnonymous 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Seriously, can you audio record sex? Or video record leading up to the sex without the actual naked part?

Considering it is officially on you to prove your innocence what legal methods are there that allow you to do so?

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[–]Darkone06 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Not if it is in your property and you place a card in the front down informing people that these premises are being video recorded.

If her drunk ass didnt noticed it, thats still on her.

[–]HS-Thompson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's true for the generalized case mostly, but recording women engaged in sex with you is starting to have some specific draconian laws enacted. Worth checking before assuming that.

[–]crabpipe 2 points3 points  (3 children)

incorrect - it's a state-by-state basis. look up one-party consent versus two-party consent states

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[–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you notice them with the 3x5 card on the door that "these premises are under audio and visual surveillance" and they enter willingly, they just agreed to being recorded.

Contract Law 101

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's illegal in some states in the U.S. to record someone without their consent, but I'd rather record and face a reputation as Rowdy Roddy Peeper than not record and serve ten-to-twenty as Macho Man Rapey Savage.

Yeah, though it's legal in most states.

The states where it's illegal are - of course I guess - the same states where they pass laws about "yes means yes" - by "protect women" they seem to mean "actively work to let women abuse the laws". California.

Like you said, far better to be convicted of recording someone than to be convicted of raping someone when you didn't. There are many, many cases now where video shows the girl enthusiastically having sex with the guy, then later she tells the cops it was rape.

If they actually cared about rape, it would make more sense to suggest that girls record themselves, frankly. But that's not usually what this is about - it's usually about a male/female power struggle between the genders.

[–]a-memorable-fancy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could always record the consent. I got a plate who's down for heavy kinky shit, and you bet your ass I'm gonna film her saying she agrees to it.

[–]neveragoodtime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that we have to accept, at a certain point, the patriarchy ostensibly set up to defend women, is actually there to protect men from women. Keeping women chaste is more about containing their wrath when they make poor decisions than oppressing them.

[–]scarletspider3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think 'the hunting grounds' really means that they are hunting for the alpha that made them a widow and didn't worship her like he was supposed to.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I saw a bunch of shit like this go down in college. One time white knights tried to get a guy thrown out of a bar because he was a 'rapist'. Bar staff lol'd at them.

[–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Her alcohol blood level was .048 about 2.5hours after the event. The legal level to drive is .08. She claims she was blacked out most of the time during the rape. She also says that she may have been roofied but there were no drugs found in her system. Just one drink puts me above that blood alcohol level and I have never blacked out in my life despite having many more drinks than just one. Just another pump and dump who is mad.

[–]Garainis 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Fucking disgusting. This is exactly why I can't commit to LTRs anymore, you never know when a better looking/richer/more charismatic guy walks around the corner.

[–]OrpheusV -1 points0 points  (2 children)

LTRs work if you recognize it's "your turn" with her.

If they want to be dishonest and cheat, that's on them. I won't try to stop them, but they ain't welcome back. They can come back to find their shit in a tote on the porch with a note stating that they know why.

[–]Garainis -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I can't handle it on emotional level. I wish I was more pragmatic but there is no training for that.

[–]OrpheusV 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'll be honest. It hurts and sucks. Especially if you've put months or even years into that relationship only for it to be burnt on some other dude.

That said, after that, and some frustration, it'd be better to pick yourself up, dust off, and get back in the saddle.

[–]Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Disgusting. Of course, the "Hunting Ground" does not care to get any opposing viewpoints or use real facts or generally accepted statistics.
They do not interview A...SINGLE....ONE....OF...THE....ACCUSED! Not one.

Something has to change.

[–]systemshock869 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How many fucking times have we seen shit like this? A spoiled little brat like Kinsman will throw anyone and everyone under the bus to avoid facing the consequences of her own actions. Not just that - but lie through her fucking teeth about it for months and seek a pay day over it.

This shit has heavy implications for college-going (especially) and non-college-going men alike, yet it's taboo assholery to talk about it. The stranglehold that the feminine imperative has on society and critical thinking is mind boggling to think about. How many lives have been destroyed by lying bitches and the pussy-pass enablers that presume guilty until proven innocent? We'll never know, and society will probably never make the necessary changes to correct it. We're shamed for bringing it up, even when an incident is proven to be 100% false. The decline is real.

[–]illimaybeois 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We also forget the one key detail of this situation, the demographic this girl comes from.

Young western woman - check. Likely to be in the American upper middle class - check. In a sorority - check.

I hate to be the one to point this out but these are the exact women who are the cause of all of this. The red pill, manosphere, men's rights, and all of this. All of these crazy events happened because of the upper middle class American woman who is entitled, crazy, sociopathic, and status hungry. I was in a fraternity back in my college days and let me tell you, sorority girls are probably the worst when it comes to personality. Imagine all of the worst traits of western women thrown into one demographic with the only positive trait being good looks.

The amount of shit these girls talked about other girls, guys, and celebrities was unreal. Many of them would take even a slight come on from a guy not up to their standard in terms of look as "I think that guy wants to rape me" type of situation. The worst thing is that these girls have fraternities by the balls, if you want to be brave and call these women out on their nonsense, guess who's side the fraternity brothers are taking? Not yours.

I mean just look at the situation at hand, you have a guy who is exceptionally good at what he does (first freshman to win the Heisman and National Title) and a hot commodity on campus. Football stars are literally at the top 1% of men on a campus and most of them have their pick of girls. Now you have some basic looking sorostitute (believe me, Florida St has much better looking girls) who fell head over heels for him, got burned, and then set out to ruin the life of the man. Now had this girl kept it under the rug, she would have been like the many other sorority girls who hook up with guys they won't brag about.

No one asked this girl to go out, get drunk, or even interact with the football star.

Absolutely no accountability at all is shown from these types of women, say AWALT all you want but we are dealing with a special brand of sociopath. Dad is a rich betabucks, mom is post wall and somewhat good looking, and little Erika gets what she pleases without ever having to be disciplined for her actions. A sad situation that is happening on a nationwide scale these days as men get feminized.

[–]PlebDestroyer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

[–]iatepussy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

amn you ever think about writing for a newspaper or such? Very well written!

wow what a fucking joke the media is

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But MSNBC says he is a rapist!

[–]R3v4mp3d -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

Were the roles reversed, I'd do the same as her. I want to have fun with you and you and your friends treat me like trash. Nice one.

I'm betting that if that friend didn't come in, the chance of a rape accusation would drop dramatically.

I dunno why this isn't burned inside the brain of every male: don't disrespect the pussy you're fucking if she isn't disrespecting you. Or to generalize a bit: don't disrespect someone that didn't disrespect you.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I would agree that being rude and disrespectful to a girl 5 minutes after she had your dick in her mouth is a bad play and can definitely lead to trouble.

[–]simple_mech -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Damn you ever think about writing for a newspaper or such? Very well written!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This piece of trash just makes it even harder for the girls who were actually raped to be believed.

[–]2johnnight -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Not enough data to call it.

[–]UlyssesElias -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This is a tough one. I don't know the ins and outs of the case, but I know that a (male) journalist who won multiple pulitzer prizes Walt Bogdanich tells a different story to that of Billy.

Is there any point in tearing apart the (accused) mans story and the (accuser) woman's story? Haven't the legal experts and the media done this more times than any of us and more thoroughly than we can hope to?

I don't say this because I'm complacent about legal decisions. People should always fight and protest when injustice is served. I just think that there's a tendency in TRP for individuals to take up rape cases and try to prove that the accused is innocent and the accuser is a liar but it's a joyless task and one with no end or purpose in sight!