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Red Pill TheoryWomen don't know what they want (self.TheRedPill)

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So I was minding my own business looking at pictures of bodybuilder progress and routines and shit, a few girls who live on my floor (in my dorm) came by and said "ew, schnappdragon those guys are gross", I was looking at a guy who was 6' 0" 180 lb 10% bf, definitely not a freakish mass monster by any means.

  • Me: "What's wrong with him?"
  • Grills: "His shoulders are too big, and his abs are popping like crazy, must suck to cuddle with"
  • Me: "So if he came up to you and started flirting you would turn him down."
  • Grills: "Welll, I didn't say that!"

WTF, goddamn gains goblins trying to test my devotion to the iron path.

Once again, don't listen to what they say, watch how they act.


[–]_the_shape_ 467 points468 points  (28 children)

They want alpha fux but they also want beta bucks, but they want the alpha to be a little more sweet and caring and understanding and willing to enter into a relationship with her, but no, that's too much, he overdid it, what a loser with his sappy feelings bullshit, so bored of dating this jerk, and if only their beta bucks would be a little more, oh, I don't know, aggressive? confrontational?, but no, now he's acting like a total asshole, who the hell does he think he is standing up to me like that? where the hell is Chad? Wish Chad would just settle down with me...omg, could you imagine? SWOON! Until he does, and then.....

Yeah, you get the picture..

Ad motherfvcking nauseaum

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (6 children)

I have to say, Chad Thundercock is my favorite part of this sub.

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    [–]NaughtyFred 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    Wait till you meet his english relative: Sir Chadwell of Thundercockington III

    [–]ChadThundercockII 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Nah, he is dead now. He went to an orgy and died from a heart attack.

    [–]ChadThundercockII 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Thanks man. I appreciate it.

    [–]notmyusualreddit 35 points36 points  (1 child)

    Did you know my exgf??? Oh thats right, all exgfs are like that. Seeiously , that is word for word what my gf expressed one way or another as it was all falling apart. I was still in the redpill anger phase while still with her as it was going to hell, so I eventually was even able to extract it from her. Those are their exact thoughts. Especially in their mid 20s when they know they want betabucks "SOON but not RIIIGHT now, but uh this isnt perfect, be betabux, but not yeeeeet".

    [–]Kill_Your_Ego 71 points72 points  (6 children)

    Just spin them plates. It's fun to confuse girls when you blow them off for a different one anyway. Girls do not believe you can be both her alpha fuck and her beta bucks anyway. So just always have more spinning.

    [–]1Halfjor 33 points34 points  (3 children)

    When you don't have attachment or commitment the hamster is actually pretty fun to watch.

    [–]Tom_The_Human 24 points25 points  (2 children)

    Not gonna lie, I love watching my LTR's hamster go.

    [–]1Halfjor 33 points34 points  (1 child)

    It's hard to describe without being too condescending, but I don't give a shit.

    It's almost like watching a little kid tackling a problem or coming to an understanding about something. You can just see the gears turning in their head. Especially when you understand the hamster and you know exactly where it will end up. It's actually endearing sometimes if it's non-malicious and a girl you care about like an LTR. Maybe it's from the satisfaction of understanding it and knowing exactly how to deal with it. Just like when a little kid sucks at lying and you see right through it, but for some reason it makes them more loveable. It probably stems from amused mastery and the dominance RP guys cultivate and enjoy with their women.

    Sometimes it's just entertaining too.

    [–]Purecorrupt 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    The more you know the less fucks you have to give. Assuming you learn more every day your fuckbucket constantly depletes. Until one day you only have one fuck to give and its about yourself.

    [–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It's a strange feeling going from failing shit tests to having to look out for comfort tests.

    [–]HeadingRed 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Don't forget they always want what another woman has.

    [–]1Snivellious 16 points17 points  (4 children)

    I think you missed an important accent there (although you totally understood). "Willing to enter into a relationship with her".

    This is about the desire to be special. The ideal man is a perfect alpha fux who gives her sensitivity and kindness that he won't give to anyone else. He doesn't raise her up on a pedestal, but he treats her better than anyone else.

    [–]Nantafiria 72 points73 points  (3 children)

    Boys want a good girl bad only for them. Girls want a bad boy good only to them.

    [–]coffee_and_lumber 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    The day it dawned on me that we are indeed equals, but almost completely opposite...that was the beginning of the path that lead me here.

    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    The word you're looking for is complimentary rather than equal. You can have equal rights, supposed equality under the law, but nobody is equal, especially when it comes to capabilities and intelligence.

    There is always a hierarchy or rank system among all communal mammals, leaders, followers, outcasts etc. None are equal, but they fit together to form a system or machine of sorts, checks, balances, and governed by the force of nature not individuals. Equality is a nice idea, but it's weak and inefficient in reality. Equality amounts to lowest common denominator, the slowest vehicle in the convoy is the leader and sets the pace. Nature isn't like that the slowest wildebeest is hyena lunch.

    [–]coffee_and_lumber 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    This should be on the sidebar. Not linked, just written out in its entirety.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    I think that's kind of it, but I'd explain it a little differently.

    All this talk about not liking these sorts of guys is always just sour grapes. Men do it a lot too with not liking skinny bitches, liking meat on their women, etc. Humans will always try to convince themselves they're the 1%, and to do that they have to convince themselves that the 1% is flawed, undesirable, morally bankrupt, stupid, anything to make them feel better about themselves. So EW just means, "That guy would never take me seriously as GF material (or in some cases even sex material) so I will preemptively try to knock him down below my level."

    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    Some men see others ahead of him, faster, stronger, more accomplished, and rather than try to knock him back down to their level, they build themselves up and strive to improve so they can pass those ahead of them. Trying to cut them down to your level, lowering the bar so to speak, is a feminine tactic.

    Men overpower, women undermine.

    Generally.

    [–]bitterRedpills 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    women undermine.

    Until I started my RP journey this was the majority experience of my life.

    My mother was a classic case of this after she divorced from my father. It's been over 20 years and she still thinks he owes her a house/car/spending money/etc etc. It's fucking pathetic if you ask me, but then AWALT so I suppose I should just let it flow like water off a ducks back.

    Still the years I spent being the punching bag for her having all of my confidence eroded and wallowing in major depression and blue pill muck.

    Coming here and seeing brutal truths like this has literally saved my life and given me a future.

    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    My ex still thinks I owe her, despite the $10k judgment I have against her.

    [–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (2 children)

    Women want to be told what's right by a guy that believes in he what he is saying. It doesn't matter if what he is saying is true or not, he just needs to believe in what he is saying for her to accept it as gospel.

    [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 42 points43 points  (1 child)

    This is why women are so easily led by narcissists. They follow conviction, not logic.

    [–]hamstercide 90 points91 points  (26 children)

    I believe this is relevant.

    [–]Titan5000 40 points41 points  (2 children)

    lol. Emma watson is a living contradiction with herself anyway.

    [–]whatyearisthisagain 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    She's an actress. Expecting her to be more than a pretty face would almost be harsh.

    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    If women don't feel submissive, they don't feel tingles. If men are sensitive they don't cause tingles.

    She is exactly right, but comes to the wrong conclusion, while stating flatly that she doesn't like sensitive.

    [–]Seishuu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is absolutely glorious

    [–]scarletspider3 45 points46 points  (2 children)

    It's almost like women try to keep men beta with their shitty advice. They want to keep you in the bottom so you can stay an orbiter and a BB insurance plan in case she fails with Chad. They also hate the idea that men clime the SMV ladder, to them that's not 'genuine'.

    Remember to watch there behaviors and not there words.

    [–]RancidTurnip 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    It can be that, but I think it's just another shit test.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    almost like women try to keep men beta with their shitty advice.

    Almost? Wives do this habitually, chipping away relentlessly with full purpose until there is only a shell of a man left to frivorce.

    [–]trpbox 79 points80 points  (5 children)

    I've seen a lot of similar cases, e.g. girls making fun of shirtless guys on Tinder, proceeding to swipe right and initiate conversation. In general you will be shit tested for any type of self improvement.

    [–]Purecorrupt 25 points26 points  (2 children)

    I've been on CMB(another dating app) for almost 3 months? Plenty of numbers and flakes but no dates. At least until a week ago I decided to change one picture to a shirtless mirror selfie. I'm not even that impressive - 162 / 5'9" 13%bf. It resulted in my first date off the app and a new match 3 days in a row now. Meh.

    [–]Iupvoteforknowledge 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    They are just as shallow as we are, maybe even more so.

    [–]SoberGiraffe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Really? I have to try this then. I thought the social proof pictures were key to success on Tinder. No dates yet so I guess I'm doing it wrong.

    [–]TorontoIntactivist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think between looks, game, and wealth; solid game will get you shit-tested the least. I think subconsciously they are thinking that a guy can have looks or wealth but if he doesn't have that solid confidence to back it up, what of it?

    [–]Dark397 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Well they want you to be ripped & muscular, despite them implying that it causes no tingles.

    Thats the shit test. Would you do it to be the best version of yourself, or would you do it just to get some more pussy.

    [–]1RXRob 33 points34 points  (7 children)

    I was doing timekeeping duties at a show last week and started talking to the merch girl during a match.

    "He'd be good boyfriend material", in regards to the 6 foot, 270lbs wrestler in the ring.

    "I thought you fancy Tank?". Tank is 6 foot, 220lbs, 9% body fat

    "Tank is a one night stand. Michael is marriage material"

    That's your choice guys. You can be one stand, pantie wetting material. Or you can be cuddly, furry marriage material for the low price of 50% of your worldly possessions.

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      [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

      do whatever you want obviously. But what's the point if you're not fucking any of them?

      [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      Fun and practice. I flirt with any girl, however not just any girl will have the opportunity to get fucked by me. I am the prize, they are playthings. Mindfucking five girls is as much fun as fucking them. You don't have to fuck everything to enjoy it. If you can't fuck them, then it's different, but knowing you can and not is fun.

      It's like driving one of my cars. Lets say the 700+hp one that wieghs 2900lbs. I know I can leave that Camaro or Challenger easily, they are heavy and have less power. Do I have to prove it to everyone who throws a rev at me? No, I know it runs mid nines in street trim, I have nothing to prove. If I have a 250hp car, then I might have something to prove because it's quite slow compared to my others, but do i have to prove it? Slinking away to run and hide is different from choosing not to race.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Eh. Flirt with cashiers and coworkers. But a social experiment "over a few months" where he's being playing along these girls and they're apparently "competing" but he's never done anything more with them then eye contact seems really fucking pointless to me.

      [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I do that too, have others I fuck. I need more than a cute ass sometimes.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      it also might be a delusion

      [–]zxsteven 185 points186 points  (8 children)

      ~WTF, goddamn gains goblins trying to test my devotion to the iron path.

      Hahahahaha

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        [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

        Praise Brodin brother, may you ever walk the iron and path and your gains be consistent and strong.

        [–]flubbdubb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Strong bones and calcium will come to you

        [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        You must subscribe to that sub; Yahwhey has commanded it.

        [–]moose_war 81 points82 points  (12 children)

        Pretty sure girls in their 20's go for "dad bods" now...I read it in an article some girl wrote, so it must be true.

        [–]antariusz 11 points12 points  (3 children)

        Well, to be fair, most of the guys in those photos do have quite a few heavily masculine traits, chest hair and (groomed) beards, most of them have quite a bit of muscle mass (they lift)...essentially the Chad Thundercock's she's been fucking in the winter months/spring break essentially. None are skinnyfat nor scrawny. Almost all of the dudes have wider shoulders and little/no love handles, most are intentionally sticking out their guts, but probably are only a few weeks of dieting down to much more attractive versions of themselves. Dudes that lifts and eats and lifts and doesn't give a fuck is pretty alpha (many are probably football players in the offseason). The problem is, when a guy stops giving a fuck, that's when he stops lifting and spends too much time drinking, he turns into fatfat, and that is no longer attractive to women. This is just one woman's attempt to beta-ize (tame) college age frat boy alphas, en masse, instead of the usual one at a time model that women have usually employed in the past.

        [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        If that is the thing going on, then it all makes more sense now. You described me except I have a real 45 year old belly covering rock hard abs, and I have big arms, developed chest, and barely a neck. I get tons of attention from young girls and girls my age. 30s girls are pissy and delusional, but they still stop, stare, and look back over their shoulders.

        I find it all very amusing.

        [–]Viklove 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        It's amazing how you can just come up with this narrative to fit your world view. Great skill you have there.

        [–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yea, as opposed to "other people" that come up with "women don't like men with muscles" because they don't have any.

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        [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (13 children)

        I always see this comment. is it so fucking hard to believe some men just don't find the smell and taste of that shit - petroleum derived cosmetics - attractive? usually it looks low-class too. in fact most makeup is completely redundant, women are just too fucking stupid to realize that nobody cares whether their toenails are red, pink, sky blue or shrek green.

        in the OP, the woman says one thing and thinks the exact opposite - a natural shit test, unconsciously testing whether she can bullshit him and also acting in favor of the feminine imperative. men however mean what they say.

        [–]Titan5000 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        I mean, there are likely different qualities of makeup that look, smell, feel different from others. I used to say things like: I like girls with no makeup, until I really saw how they look with no makeup....Yikes (not all of them).

        What I discovered is exactly what fourbet says: I like girls who wear proper amounts of makeup, which is so subtle that it enhances their natural features and doesn't look like she's wearing makeup at all. It can be done.

        [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 20 points21 points  (8 children)

        I'm sure that's the case for you, but let's not kid ourselves; who's the demographic who spouts that the most frequently? Socially inept, timid redditors. They see girls who can put on makeup effectively as out of their class. Unattainable. They wouldn't know what to do with a club girl.

        Instead they want a female neckbeard that's passably attractive. Someone they can enjoy the sight of while they eat cheetos and watch netflix.

        [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        I like bitches who look good without a bunch of crap splattered on them, just like I prefer real tits over propped up or filled tits. Show me the real.

        I don't mind a chick who wears facepaint, but some really homely bitches can look great with it.

        There is a demographic that sees those girls as unobtainable, they are usually carrying a fat chicks purse or like you said, dwelling in moms basement eating cheetos. They get what they earn.

        [–]Darkwoodz 7 points8 points  (4 children)

        Idk man, I tell my LTR to not wear makeup or very little because I think she looks better without it. It looks trashy IMO and makes her look older.

        [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 7 points8 points  (3 children)

        Not trying to rip on you, but some girls suck at putting on makeup the same way that some guys are clueless about how to dress themselves.

        [–]Darkwoodz 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I agree, but if you're already attractive girl it can potentially bring you down a number or two. Obviously if you're ugly then slob that crap on. Less is more, but most people including men and women don't understand that concept.

        [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        My experience has been different. I've known 7-8's who were able to go up a notch with well done makeup. The difference is that they know how to apply it subtly and make it look more natural.

        A chick who only knows a shotgun approach to makeup will look like a painted clown, irrespective of how initially attractive she is.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        It's not about less or more, it's about applying makeup to look natural or not. Sometimes getting a natural look requires more makeup, but is less noticeable then someone who applies neon green eyeshadow and some magenta blush.

        Which kind of ties into my original point, when guys say they prefer a girl who wears no makeup 99.9% of the time what they really mean they prefer a girl who knows how to apply a natural look or doesn't look like some trailer skank with orange eyeshadow.

        The same way when a women says she doesnt like "meatheads" she means a ripped guy wearing a cutoff and putting on a serious face for the camera, not a natural bodybuilder out mowing his lawn shirtless.

        [–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Go watch some of those YouTube makeup tutorials and be amazed by what a talented makeup artist can do. Easily can make a 6/10 into an 8/10+.

        [–]PantherHeel93 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Exactly. I don't think fourbet realizes men can have different opinions. I'm with you on this one.

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          [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 8 points9 points  (3 children)

          What I prefer is just a subset of what I am willing to fuck. One of the reasons why I am an advocate of the binary ranking system fuckable/unfuckable instead of the often used HB10-scale.

          [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Ditto. If I'm willing to fuck her, that's all I care about. Yes or no. 1 or 0. I like all sorts of shapes and sizes, no single thing does it for me, but a mix of traits sure as fuck can. Perfect tits on a fat chick? Pass. Tight body, nice ass, long legs, very small tits, you better believe it. Makeup? I really don't give a fuck.

          [–]BlackHeart89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I'm willing to fuck any chick thats rated 6 or higher.

          The rating just tells which one I want the most.

          [–]JohnPeel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          In practical implementations of binary logic you actually have 1s, 0s and Xs.

          an X is an indeterminate logic state.

          Xs can show up randomly, will definitely break your stuff and are an absolute pain to get rid of. Avoid at all costs.

          [–]trpfieldreport 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          I think the makeup thing is in reference to the excessive amount of cake face hanging out at your average bar.

          The ability to present as attractive without needing makeup is a more desirable trait.

          [–]ButterMyBiscuit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I do totally prefer brunette, short, nerdier girls with smallish tits. When I say nerdy I don't mean fat and unwashed, I mean cute and timid and likes to read a lot and introverted. When I say small tits I don't mean mosquito bites, I mean a small handful instead of huge out of proportion jugs. That's my preference, and I'm not bullshitting. Despite that being what I look for in an LTR and being my preference, I'm not gonna try and say I'd turn town a tall blonde cheerleader with big tits if the opportunity presented itself.

          [–]epixs 21 points22 points  (7 children)

          This post reminds me of what literally happened few hours ago... Was at Tom Thumb tonight to pick up milk and women cold approaches me, said I was a big guy and where I worked out . Told that bitch I just do push-ups few times a week. She said good because she doesn't like super obsessed fitness freaks lol...as if those "freaks" would give a 6/7 a chance lol.

          Me just doing push-ups is what they want to hear lol . So dillisuional about what it takes to get a god like physique.

          [–]miby 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          a lot of people hate on the "Fitness Freak" lifestyle because they are afraid to be motivated themselves. I workout 5-6 days a week usually about an hour or so every workout, lots of lifting and weight training. Lots of guys that would talk to me would actually put down any kind of motivating advice from me because of multiple excuses. and I would always hear "Don't lift too much you'll start to look like a man" It's just people being afraid of others hard work because they cannot or do not want to put in their own.

          [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

          said I was a big guy

          My response would have been, "For you."

          [–]yelnats25 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Tom Thumb, huh? You from Iowa?

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Tom Thumb is regional. We got in Dallas as well.

          [–]yelnats25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yeah, I didn't realize it was a grocery store. We have a "Tom Thumb" food joint here. lol

          [–]epixs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Great country called Texas brah

          [–]TagaKnight 19 points20 points  (4 children)

          That's quite funny. Did you say anything else to them after?

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            [–]2wiseclockcounter 40 points41 points  (0 children)

            lmao, "nah bro, I hadn't finished yet."

            [–]Titan5000 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            Gloots for the sloots, breh

            [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            We're all gonna make it brah

            [–]NeoreactionSafe 13 points14 points  (0 children)

            Women want what they can't have so if they do finally get what they wanted they don't want it anymore.

            The hamster wheel is a woman always trying to climb higher, but never getting anywhere.

            Use this knowledge to your advantage.

            If a woman isn't engaged in the illusion of climbing in status she gets bored and questions what she is doing. It's too confusing for her to be content.

            Captain (60%) / Firstmate (40%) is really the ideal because it keeps the woman very happy spinning on the hamster wheel. But be reminded she will complain the whole way because... well spinning the hamster wheel is hard work, she's the victim after all. (in her mind)

            Happiness and subtle victimhood blur together.

            [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 12 points13 points  (1 child)

            Women don't know anything beyond what they feel at that given moment. Slobbering over muscled dudes makes them appear socially improper, so they hamster things like this.

            They get tingles for ripped dudes with low body fat, they just don't want the world to think they're shallow.

            [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

            i get worshipped like a god because i have veins all over my abs and after sex i get massages. god damn gains goblins

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

            Yes, never believe a woman. Very hypocritical creature and they know they can get away easily with it in this sick society.

            What they want? They don't really want sex. You know that. What they want????????? They want baby and a monthly paycheck from YOU

            [–]symko 3 points4 points  (2 children)

            I concur with you. 1000% I've seen so many women with guys who, A. Haven't lifted......ever. B. Subservient to all of their demands. C. Overly agreeable,weak spined and extremely sensitive.

            These women are looking for a check not a relationship.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            yep and when you watch TV it is full of guys like that. TV promote beta males.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            These women are looking for a check, not sex. They want a relationship! Mistress-Slave is a relationship after all.

            [–]4benny2lava0 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            They want an attractive guy but not too attractive that they have a. Easy choice in women, she can't use and manipulate a man like that.

            [–]gimmieareason 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            goddam gain goblins at it again!

            [–]_bluerabbit_ 30 points31 points  (30 children)

            Women know what they what, they just don't want men knowing

            [–]1grubek 94 points95 points  (26 children)

            I used to think like you. Now, I'm convinced a lot of girls really have no fucking idea of what they want and they keep going left-right-left without clear direction (just like a lot of guys btw).

            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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            What is this?

            [–]trpfieldreport 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            I've had a handful of talks with my mother on this topic, as she is now post-menopause.

            She describes her entire adult life as a roller coaster of unexplainable emotion. Just being yanked and thrown in every different direction.

            She says now post-menopause, shit just makes more sense to her.

            And I have to agree - she can laugh at her own bizarre behavior now. We talk about the silly shit she would throw at my old man and we all laugh.

            Women are hormonally driven.

            [–]1grubek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Of course they are, as we men are too, even when in a different way.

            [–]_bluerabbit_ 13 points14 points  (9 children)

            Modern society is hard on our instincts; it gives not good and clear paths to one to follow and the ones it gives will guide us into misery.

            [–]1grubek 7 points8 points  (8 children)

            That's the trick of living in society right? Collaborating is a great strategy because it allows to achieve much greater standard of living than going alone, but at the same time everybody is maneuvering all the time to get a better deal at the expense of whoever. You have to take the good and the bad or none of it.

            [–]_bluerabbit_ 2 points3 points  (7 children)

            I agree with you and it was always that way. I was referring more to the fact that it looks like that we as humans are maladapted to industrial and digital civilization.

            [–]1grubek 2 points3 points  (5 children)

            Yes, but I believe it has more to do on how technology has affected a body made for moving and how the technology to produce an excess of certain foods has affected our diets. Not only because we become fat, but because how it affects our mood and personality.

            Its not like in the past the peasants weren't told a bunch of bollocks either.

            [–]_bluerabbit_ 3 points4 points  (4 children)

            Dont forget about social media and its affect on women

            [–]JanLul 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            Could you elaborate on that?

            [–]_bluerabbit_ 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            Social media like facebook or thinder create huge social networks expanding the availability of men that a woman have access and making easy meeting new men also creating huge validation groups. All of this is probably making a woman hypergamy go insane even if she is average or even below. Remember that we are a small groups species with a maximum group size of about 150 to 250 people. A women in the past knew a few dozens men and just a few of those were possible mates, now this numbers are in the thousands.

            I also believe that social media and porn must be having a impact in men, but i am not sure yet what is. We are just now understanding what the impact of industrialization is for humanity, we will have to wait for the impact of digital civilization.

            As a disclaimer i dont believe that are studies about this, it is mostly things said by me now and other people in the past witch i unfortunately are not able to give credit to because dont remember were i saw it. Also i have no special traine in the soft sciences of psychology, sociology or anthropology so feel free to disagree about anything.

            [–]JanLul 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I think you've made some solid points there. Women tend to be very promiscuous when they meet men with a high SMV outside of their social circles. Tinder certainly facilitates that side of women.

            [–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I'd imagine porn gives males brains the illusion they are reproducing with many different women. Not sure what the impact would be. Could weaken the competitive instinct.

            [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Not really, some have a difficult time, but others utilize technology and bend it to their will. You have leaders and followers, doers and those who want to stay in the comfort zone.

            Leaders and doers have little trouble with modern society, they are focused on the goals they set, and achieve them despite any hardship or obstacle. They know what they want from an early age, and direct their entire lives towards fulfilling that goal.

            The followers have no clue what they want, and thus no idea how to get it. Just pick something and hope for the best. No drive, no passion, no self improvement, just follow along and try not to be the nail that gets hammered down. Know why the nail gets hammered down? Because it's a nail, it isn't moving, it holds in place. The wheel doesn't get hammered down, it's purpose isn't to stay in place. So you're either a nail or a wheel, or sometimes a Hitachi Magic Wand.

            [–]VinylGuy420 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Oh I know what I want, and it's a hot ass redhead

            [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Anything hot but a redhead.

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              [–]1grubek 3 points4 points  (7 children)

              Please read neurology. Men are also "ruled" by emotions. All the decisions you make are emotional.

              [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Buying something like a car is usually emotional, which girl to hit on is emotional. Deciding to rebuild the alternator rather than replace it is not emotional. Training also removes emotion from decisions in many instances. Zero feeling, just action.

              You're not wrong, but there is a large variance from how women are ruled by emotion and men often use emotion to decide.

              [–]Drmadanthonywayne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Emotion plays a part in even the simplest of decisions. There was a man who suffered brain damage that left him perfectly logical, but out of touch with his emotions. He went back to work and spent all day trying to decide which pen to use. His thought process was something like: "Hmm. Black would be nice, it is the standard color. But blue stands out from the page more, which might be good. And should I use the retractable or the regular pen? It's a pain taking the cap off the regular pen, but I'm more likely to write on my shirt with the retractable one...."

              He would go round and round in his head with no way to make the decision based upon pure logic. Our emotional self says, "Fuck it, this decision isn't that important. I'll just use whichever pen is handy"

              He ended up losing his job

              [–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              And the idea that emotions are illogical are not true. Emotions are the logic of your ancient animal brain. Sometimes they're unable to accurately process modern life.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              So women have muscles, weight, testosterone, and stature just like men, right? No differences?

              [–]Iupvoteforknowledge 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Not even close to what he just said.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Yes it is: He gave us the old 'men are like that too' and I was agreeing that men also have emotions just like women have muscles and testosterone and height.

              Yes men have emotions but they are different. Really, men and women are different and 'men are like that to' is a manospherian logical fallacy.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I think they generally know what they impulsively want at any given moment, they just are not very good about making overall life choices that will bring them long-term satisfaction.

              [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              They live in the moment, what they want right now. No concern is given for the future, no thought given to the consequence of an action or choice, because someone almost always fixed it for them.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              You give them far to much credit. Most women haven't a clue. They are not being malicious in lying to men (and themselves) because that is how they are programmed.

              And it IS NOT a bug- it IS the programming.

              [–]scarletspider3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              And that's what it all really comes down to.

              [–]BrianW1999 10 points11 points  (1 child)

              This seems to be an American woman thing. They are critical of men's looks in the most trivial way; like one eyebrow is higher than the other. I've never heard foreign women critique men like that.

              [–]TheAloofCat 14 points15 points  (0 children)

              Just criss the sea over to Europe. They do the same here.

              [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

              One of my friends is pretty alpha. He's had sex with A LOT of different women.

              On several occasions I've heard girls talk about how they don't find him attractive at all and they don't understand what girls see in him. Sometime after, might be a few months or a few years they end up having sex with him. Clearly they were always attracted to him they just don't want to admit it. I don't understand why though. This has happened with 3 girls I can think of.

              [–]trpfieldreport 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Is it that they wanted social validation for being the rare girl who didn't find the obviously attractive guy attractive?

              That's my guess. They're always looking for a spotlight to stand in.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I think that's as good a guess as any. Just like the people who will detest the popular band or musician just because it's popular and make a point of it. We all know those fuckers.

              [–]LukesLikeIt 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              In a way it's because women are obsessed with social power (social hierarchy). Simply put this power struggle has 3 groups in her head; 1 Alpha, 2 Women, 3 Beta.

              She wants to make men beta to validate her own power as she see's it.

              She considers herself a level above such men in importance and social power.

              But she is attracted to the alpha as his influence will increase her own by association etc. She will offer herself as tribute for this increase in social status but when you don't reciprocate after fucking her by committing or making the relationship exclusive she will call you an asshole etc for "tricking" her.

              She will continue to come back for more for a few reasons, her biological imperative to mate with a attractive strong male that fucks well for one, but on a social level because (since she's addicted to social power) it is the closest she will ever get to the step above what she considers her own level and what she constantly strives for.

              Which is why you can never submit to her, because once she has your "power" (you give it to her) she will consider you group 1 and go back to looking for a group 3 replacement.

              Make no mistake, she might stay with you in the meantime if you're already in a difficult to end relationship but once she becomes open to the idea she can get someone better it's over for you.

              Women only look up.

              [–]mex_rigel91 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Women don't like fit men, when they can't get some

              [–]1wakethfkupneo 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              Can't remember where I found it, but there was a study of women's preference to muscular guys based on their ovulatory cycle. Long story short: when they are not ovulating, they prefer ordinary vanilla looking guys (BB obviously), but when they are in Ovulation Weektm (in pursuit of AF) then the more there's muscle the wider their legs spread.

              This is also why online surveys about the subject are misleading: none of them take into account ovulatory cycle of participants, so you get mixed results from women in non-ovul-bb-mode and in-ovul-af-mode. Ask the same "swoleshaming agents of Broki" exactly the same question, only two weeks later - and you get the opposite answer. And yea, women, being slaves to their fluid emotions, do not have a fucking clue what they want.

              [–]Philhelm 6 points7 points  (2 children)

              Women know what they want; they are simply pathological liars.

              [–]nsummy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I take with a grain of salt anything a girl living in the dorm has to say. I honestly don't know why people get upset or even waste a second of their day pondering the ideals of some women. Of course when I was in college anything that threatened my thoughts upset me too.

              Now that I'm older though, I don't care. I look how I want, dress how I want, I have my own goals. I take constructive criticism from the opposite sex but I am not going to change who I am for a female. But to take what they said in context, think about yourself. You might like small girls, girls with big asses, redheads, huge chests, whatever. There are a lot of types of girls who I don't find particularly attractive. What I still turn them down? No, I just wouldn't actively seek or be with them long term.

              [–]StrikePrice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I said that out loud at a bar one night (too much drinking) and every white knight in the place was all over me. Was fun smacking them down, but damn, this one pushes buttons.

              [–]Vzuv 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              I think a lot of women don't like fit/in shape guys (not hugely muscular bodybuilders or anything) because the thought of being in a relationship with one makes them insecure, or because they project perceived personality traits that are unrelated.

              They like the physical side of it, but it makes their hamster spin in that they're concerned that were they to be in a relationship with one, they'd be more likely to cheat, and/or the woman would have to put in a similar amount of effort to be in similar physical shape.

              Basically, being in shape is, in and of itself, a form of soft dread. "If he's in good shape, he's more likely to have more options, therefor I will have to put in more effort into the relationship in order to keep his attention." Women don't like the idea of dread, despite the fact that they appear to respond well to it.

              [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              fits along the value vs comfort spectrum/balance referred to often by RSDTodd. Value is what makes her want you, comfort is what lets her tell herself to pursue and/or say yes.

              [–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I know what women want: chocolate, validation and this

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              [–]nsummy 26 points27 points  (2 children)

              LOL commenting about pictures on a bodybuilding forum isn't exactly a shit test.

              [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

              These people think everything is a shit test.

              [–]Danedina 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              wise man say: when all shit test, then no shit test

              [–]1rife_omeqa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This attitude is a form of mediocrity worship. Those girls are not HB9's. They don't have slim lines and tight curves and thus as a means to validate their own appearance by proxy, they say that a similar physique in men appeals to them.

              Because if they can vaguely hold a man's mediocre body in the highest regard they can more easily hold their own average body in a similar regard.

              I've seen girls have physical reactions to touching abs/arms that make the phrase "turned on" make much more sense. Those same girls can be dripping wet while saying "muscles are gross". The ones that say that are practically begging for a show of strength or power. Pick a girl up off the ground after saying that and you'll find yourself standing in a pool.

              [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 5 points6 points  (5 children)

              Red Meat is the key to gains. Nothing aids recovery like Red Meat not even vitamin S.

              [–]sunwukong155 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              Why benefits do red meats have over cheaper meats like chicken tuna and turkey?

              [–]crabtree_throwaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Based on true stories. Here is a pattern observed over time. This one story to illustrate how true your judgement is. Girl complains about new guy she met. Whine whine complain complain... He talks too much.. Wish he leaves me alone... He is shamelessly hitting on me... Blah blah blah... And forward a week later.. She is banging him. Now she says they have a special relationship. Truth was that he had a place where she could hangout and smoke up.. When she was in town..

              [–]peragrine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This is an example of one female, yet you're broadcasting this to generalize every woman out there. I've encountered women who are total bimbos but that doesn't make them all stupid. I've encountered men who are assholes but that doesn't mean every man I meet is going to be a dick.

              [–]DumpyLips 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I'm gonna go against the grain here and say that I think those girls were trying to flirt with you. The misunderstanding is they were flirting with you the way they want to be flirted with. I think it was their way of saying that thought you were sexy even though you don't look like a body builder.

              [–]beginner_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Just today female co-worker gets excited about some constructions workers working without shirt and telling that these types of guys have the best looking, lean muscles, not too much like body builders. The 1 min later she claims she has no problem with guys with a big gut...yeah sure.

              [–]bloody_duck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Or that's the way one of the girls is telling you she wants YOU just the way you are. I feel like you're a crush. Go slay the dragon, OP, and cuddle the shot outta that girl.

              [–]DarkisKnight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I've never met a woman that knows what she wants.

              [–]BlaiseDB 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I'm 48 and was dating a 26 year old (HB8). I had to dump her because she behaved like a child. We had a great dating relationship but when I wanted to get more serious she would avoid me. We spent 4 days jumping all over each other for Chinese New Year but didn't do the deed. Then she disappears for a month. Then she reappears and wants to sleep with me, but insists that we are not serious. Then she says that she wants to get a visa and come with me to Canada to meet my family. I say 'great' and tell her to come over so I can fuck her brains out and then I will call my people to get her the visa. She gets all incensed and tells me that she won't fuck me until I get her a visa. FUCK THAT. . .NEXT.

              So now I opted for someone a bit older and more mature (HB6). The challenge will be to get her to maintain herself.

              [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              She wasn't acting like a child: she was acting like a black widow ready to feed & be rid of her meal when done. You were right to be rid of her but do not underestimate that women are cunning adults looking to exploit men, not children needing guidance.

              [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              Yeah. I remember an ex of mine talking about how she didn't want me to lose weight. How she didn't want me to put on too much muscle. Etc etc.

              Months after we broke up, I came back with more muscle and a six-pack. We started fucking on a regular basis after that.

              I look back on how stupid I was not to go all out in the gym while I was with her because she had me thinking that shit was somehow unattractive. After we broke up, I said "fuck it. I'll find a bitch out there somewhere that likes it." Been in the gym going hard ever since.

              [–]bonekeeper 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I think a lot of our problems stem from us listening to women the same way we would listen to men. Our women tells us they like us better with a little pad because cuddlezz and we believe it - after all, why would they lie? If they really like muscles, they gain nothing by telling us otherwise.

              This is not the case though, because a woman would rather have you on a leash and secure your commitment than risk losing it, even at the cost of some attraction. It's very subtle manipulation that sometimes I wonder if they are even aware of it all the time.

              [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Exactly.

              Sometime before the redpill, I gave up on trying to understand women. A lot of the times, it seemed like they're logic was ass backwards. So I decided to do what I want and I'll just wind up with whatever women fall in line with that. Its been working out great so far. May have missed out on one or 2 chicks because I refused to open doors for them. But thats due to one chick blatantly saying to me, because I opened a door for her once, "I couldn't date you. You're too nice. Hehe"

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              The male equivalent is looking at a well-put-together woman, but one that obviously spends a lot of time on their appearance: "she's too high maintenance".

              No, she isn't. She's higher maintenance than you. You know this will lead to an imbalance later: it's nothing more than spidey-sense for priorities in life. Guys (yes, even straight men) who focus on their appearance (sales, etc.) are no more and no less "high maintenance" than that woman.

              Some super-toned athletic girl? "Health freak"

              No, just more concerned with health than you are. Again this is preemptive dismissal by using yourself as the gold standard against which to measure.

              Outspoken, razor-sharp wit, and loves a good verbal spar? "Uppity bitch."

              (This paragraph left as an exercise for the reader).

              Would you turn down those women if they wanted a quick fuck? Nope. No long-term cognitive dissonance between who you want in a partner, and who you are yourself. LTR? Potential disastrous consequences for your ego.

              The more and more I observe people's behavior, the more and more I learn that a whole swath of it boils down to confirmation bias and ego preservation.

              [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              NO, she's higher maintenance than what she can ever be worth and that's that.

              I will definitely turn down those women for a fuck and I have. I have no regret over it.

              [–]648262 1 point2 points  (5 children)

              This is a people-thing. Men do it too. We like the pornstar-look, but we also like the girl-next-door-look.

              [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

              To be more accurate -- we like the girl next door pornstar look.

              [–]bluedrygrass 4 points5 points  (3 children)

              What "pornostar look"? Fake inflated plastic boobs, hairs so blonde they're almost white, pounds of makeup? The look of an inflatable doll? Thanks, but no, thanks.

              [–]troll_bends_fir 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Not trying to prove anything, but there is the "bimbofetish" subreddit.

              Just throwing it out here.

              [–]648262 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Market research says your wrong. You might be a special snowflaked unicorn, but it's not just women who should be judged by their actions instead of words.

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