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FitnessBlood Sacrifice for the Iron Gods (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil

The majority of the fitness community thinks that a healthy lifestyle consists of balancing on a Bosu Ball while taking a Jamba Juice cumshot. So I can tell you right now that they are not going to approve of this post. The chubby nutritionist isn't going to approve. The Pilates reformer teacher is going to roll her eyes. The luxury fitness club manager is going to mumble some shit about resistance bands. Real fitness is about forcing your body to adapt to ever higher levels of physical stress. That fact isn't something fitness betas want to be reminded of while they're bouncing on colorful rubber balls trying to relive their childhood.

The modern gym is nothing more than a socially acceptable playground for adults. Most people are there to hurp weights and read magazines on the treadmill. After that they'll meet up with a friend over a 600 calorie latte and bullshit about their workout in an effort to convince themselves that they are not a Fitness Faggot. The easiest way to spot a Fitness Faggot is by their baby hands. Fitness Faggots don't actually lift so instead of calloused Iron Hands of Hatred they have soft silky smooth baby bitch hands. I highly recommend calling out Fitness Faggots. Doing so will increase your testosterone, eases overcrowding in gyms and makes the world a better place.

Now that the Fitness Faggots have fucked off to jumping jacks and bowflex, I can have a serious discussion with real men. If you want to see a dramatic improvement in your physique then you're going to have to make Blood Sacrifices to the Iron Gods. The only thing the fitness Gods reward is suffering. They don't give a fuck about the creativity, variety or trendiness of your workout. They couldn't care less about how many Instagram followers you have or how cool your gym clothes are. The only thing they are going to reward is suffering, pain and misery.

Blood Sacrifice
In order for your body to grow you need to push it to the limit. There are tons of great workout programs out there: 5x5 531 GVT Sheiko Smolov PHAT FST7. It doesn't matter which one you do as long as you inflict a critical amount of stress upon yourself. You have to convince your body that if it doesn't pack on muscle mass its going to be torn apart by bears. Twenty rep squats, bar bending deadlifts and heavy weighted pullups are all rituals mandated by the Iron Gods. A couple of times a week you have to fuck yourself up to such a high degree that you don't know where you are, what your name is or if you are a feminist. Only when the Iron Gods have seen your anguish and tasted your Blood Sacrifice will they bless you with gains.

Animal Sacrifice
The one thing more important than Blood Sacrifice is Animal Sacrifice. If you want to get big, animals of all shapes and sizes have to die in large quantities and find their way into your mouth. Chickens, ducks, lambs, bulls and fish must be slaughtered for the Gods' bloodthurst to be quenched. I know vegans are going to have a problem with this last statement. However one look at 29 year old vegan feminist Alana Massey is enough evidence anyone needs to avoid the nutritional clusterfuck that is vegan-hood.

Why so much meat? Because muscle tissue has all of the nutrients required to repair muscle tissue, in the same way that a ford truck has all the spare parts needed to repair a Ford truck. The fat in meat is a great source of energy for fucking shit up in the gym. Sounds pretty common sense doesn't it? Well it is.

There is nothing that liberals and intellectuals hate more than common sense which is why most nutritionists and health experts will never recommend the consumption of meat unless your on the verge of organ failure. Instead they'll tell you to eat soybeans, whey and nuts for protein. Which are all great foods. However meat absolutely rapes those foods in terms of muscle restoration properties. Woops forgot the trigger warning. Sorry Feminists.

If you don't believe me then you are welcome to try a high meat diet and see for yourself. Arnold and his training partner Ric Drasin ate a high protein, high fat, high cholesterol diet. So you can take their word for it.

That's all the information you need to become a muscle bound testament to toxic masculinity. A high meat diet and a high volume training protocol is guaranteed to appease the Iron Gods and bestow gains upon you. Whether or not you decide to put needles in your butt is your personal choice. But you are required by law to follow me on Twitter.


[–]bobbydishes 140 points141 points  (11 children)

Lift weights, say faggot a bunch.

Got it.

[–]desylid 15 points16 points  (10 children)

The best lesson to get from this post is to be fun through political incorrectness.

GLO's post did not not reach the top of TPR because he advised to lift weights or because he repeatedly referred to faggots. It's because he is being entertaining and funny. His style works in real life every bit as much as it works on this subreddit.

Let me explain...

It is a myth that blacks are the only group of people who can say "nigger" and be well-received. There is a second group- comedians. Comedians can say whatever they want to and be praised for it. The best comedians are politically incorrect. In fact, I can't think of a single comedian who is straight-laced and politically correct.

Once you have reputation for being funny you don't even have to be funny to have success. I found this post boring as hell. Judging by your dry comment, I'm assuming that you had the same reaction.

But that is the point of this post- be funny. Also lift.

[–]bobbydishes -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

There is a second group- comedians. Comedians can say whatever they want and get away with it.

No.

-Michael Richards

-Gilbert Gottfried

-Paul Mooney

Please, tell me about when a non-black comedian dropped the well received 'n-bomb.'

[–]desylid 0 points1 point  (5 children)

George Carlin

Louis CK

Joe Rogan has a good clip too on his stand-up on Netflix but I can't find a clip.

Those 'comedians' you listed aren't funny.

[–]bobbydishes -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

I stand corrected.

Nonetheless, they are comedians. I'm just saying that words have consequences. GLO can say whatever he wants. I'm not here to try and stop him. I think he could have used better words and made himself sound a little more intelligent. But hey, whatever. I'm guessing you're a straight white male, right?

[–]desylid 1 point2 points  (2 children)

yeah I am a straight, white male. You caught me.

Why does it matter? If the consequence is laughter, then it is mission accomplished.

[–]bobbydishes -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

Of course not. Why would words like that offend you? These words are harmless to you because you've never been called these names by people trying to oppress you.

Edit: grammar

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry, did someone hurt your feelings once? Can I get you a box of tissues? Perhaps a pillow to punch?

Welcome to TRP. Around here, we have a slightly different attitude about people being "offended".

Now, please go and read the sidebar, lurk a bit, absorb some of the local culture.

[–]throwaway-aa2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not a straight white male (dad is black). How about you try that "holier than thou" bullshit on me?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

In all seriousness if you or any of the 5x5 fuckers here add one to two pounds of meat into their diet they will gain muscle. Also im doing my best to get TRP to start cooking. Thats why i linked gordon ramsey.

[–]Rathadin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

GLO, I applaud this post for the most part, but I don't think intellectuals belong there. Psudeo-intellectuals, sure.

Actual intellectuals, like the ones that actually read scientific journals and science websites, are on the lookout for any good science and will incorporate it into their training regimen as necessary. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19330-muscle-lab-bulk-up-with-the-science-of-bodybuilding.html#.VU4jz_lVhBc

Good on yah for helping TRP get cooking, though. I have a buddy who makes about half what I make and he eats takeaway all the time, then complains about spending so much on food. I understand he spends about 8-10 hours at work each day, but so do I, oftentimes more. "Not having time" is just a bullshit excuse for not cooking.

I can go to Sam's Club and with $300 get enough food for the month, and that's including steak, salmon, chicken breasts, etc.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The chubby nutritionist isn't going to approve.

Hilariously relevant:

http://i.imgur.com/2kvKd8P.jpg

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge 74 points75 points  (94 children)

Great post. Eat a shit ton, lift a shit ton, sleep a shit ton. Got it.

Coincidentally I was thinking earlier of your posts and if I recall you are a personal trainer, correct? I just got my cert and have been looking for gyms. Any tips from the mighty gaylubeoil?

[–]RiseAboveRuin 50 points51 points  (14 children)

I work at 24 and they literally hire anyone. I work with a bunch of retards. If you apply with 3 certs though you start out at 28-33$/hr. Once you hit 120 sessions a month you go up to around 38-40$/hr. Once you hit 2500 sessions total you go up to around 48$/hr. Not a bad gig as long as you can put up with the initial 6 month client build-up process. Meet a lot of hot chicks too that all seem to have a fantasy about banging their personal trainer.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 38 points39 points  (7 children)

its all about getting all up in there with that hamstring stretch. That's how you make them buy that 2k 20 session pack.

[–]bonerfleximus 13 points14 points  (2 children)

We have a trainer at my 24 who weighs 300+ lbs, all fat, and walks around wearing a sweatband with long hair flowing over. Literally hire anyone

[–]coffee_and_lumber 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm imagining a larger and sweatier Philip Seymour Hoffman from "Along Came Polly".

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What kind of certs do you need?

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Huh, good to know. Them certs be expensive though.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We had a personal trainer at my gym. Real big dude. Could bench a at least 400 lbs. But also weighed a lot. Never seen him do a deadlift, squat, jog, power-clean, shoulder press, or anything. Just incline and flat bench.

He gave garbage advice. Wanna get big? "I want to get strong." Then use this asst. machine and do 3x20. That'll get you big.

I did that shit and came back even weaker. Everyone he trained looked exactly the same, if not fatter for the entire year I was at that gym. That was about 5 years ago though.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Im ACSM and ACE certified. Just apply to as many gyms as possible and come across as enthusiastic and energetic in your interview.

[–]asianmasaccount 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Yea doctors don't even tell people to not eat red meat anymore. Doesn't give you colon cancer. research is trending in showing that dietary cholesterol has minimal impact on blood cholesterol.

Plus we have the modern miracles of zetia and statins. Praise be to whoever developed them.

[–]Lumberjack1234 24 points24 points [recovered]

research is trending in showing that dietary cholesterol has minimal impact on blood cholesterol.

Not minimal, low. If a person with high cholesterol stop consuming any food that contains it, his cholesterol levels will drop by about 10%, 15% in rare cases.

The reason for this is because almost all cholesterol in your body is created in the liver from other substances.

[–]2niczar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually from what I've seen it only affects people who have a cholesterol regulation disorder, mainly familial hypercholesterolemia. For everyone else, increasing dietary cholesterol even drastically only raises blood cholesterol temporarily, and it tends to go back to baseline within a few days.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 11 points12 points  (74 children)

It's more than just eating a shit ton, it's eating a shit ton of protein. If you load up on a high calorie diet without enough protein you're going to develop a gut, regardless of the intensity of your workout.

You likely won't need more than 2500-4000 calories a day.

[–]1nzgs 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Yes people really overstate the "eat big to get big" mantra. It's largely nonsense. You barely have to eat any more than the average person, only the types of food are very different (higher in protein and fats). Whenever I read someone repeating that "eat big" stuff I just know it's some fat beginner who subscribes to Rich Piana or some shit. I don't think I've ever gone over 3500cals even on test+superdrol, usually around 2500cals to gain muscle.

[–]juanqunt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Superdrol is highly liver toxic and suppresses appetite. I'd be struggling to eat 3500 calories on sdrol too.

But if you're taking equipoise or even just high dose test, have fun starving if you're eating under 5000 calories.

Usually any time I drop calories under 3000, I lean down and lose mass like crazy. Small things like more walking and standing, getting in enough iodine and other trace minerals can make a huge difference in your metabolism. And if you're taking T3 + Equipoise and doing a lot of cardio, maintenance calories could be over 9000.

[–]BlackHeart89 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Yeah. I fucked around and gained 50 lbs on that "eat big to get big" bullshit. Yeah. I got much stronger in the process. But the vast majority of my gains were fat.

[–]throwaway-aa2 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Well that makes sense but you're going to have put on more muscle with that fat than having not put on that fat. It's a very simple concept: the more you eat, the more potential for strength and muscle you will have. That being said, that has to be really examined for the point you're at in life. Most people don't want to pack on 50-100lbs for the sake of gaining muscle and sacrifice their current aesthetic physique. They feel like they want to keep that physique and put on muscle a little bit slower than you would if you put on the fat.

And that's totally fine. I don't give a shit and I want to put on muscle as fast as possible (since it's always easy to go on a calorie deficit especially when you have a lot of muscle as your metabolism is faster).

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It depends really. If you put on 50 lbs of fat and only 20 lbs of muscle, then its going to take you a while to lose all that fat and in the meanwhile, you'll lose some strength if you're in a deficit for a while. Even if you don't lose strength, it'll be difficult to progress. So you may gain 40 lbs of muscle in 15 months, but the next year is spent on cutting and trying to maintain muscle.

On the flip side, if you maintain your fat to muscle ratio, you may have slower gains, but it will be consistent and aesthetically pleasing. So you may gain 40 lbs of muscle in 2 years while looking good the entire time and still progressing. Sometimes eating a large excess will assist with getting over a plateau.

[–]throwaway-aa2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus christ. Sounds good on paper. Still not sure if I have much confidence in it. I may give it a shot. But shit like gaining over 20 lbs in 10 days? Thats insane. But I admit, losing it would be easy. Do you know if these folks were on the juice? I can't say as a fact, but I've read a few times that many pro power lifters are on the shit. If so, they can get away with doing the things that naturals cannot.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mine was 3 MREs a day, sometimes four, and a 12 hour high intensity workout lifting very heavy shit and carrying it up steps, or pushing 3,000 to 15,000lbs on rollers that don't roll easy. 7 days a week, 12 to 14 hours a day, no breaks longer than ten minutes. I was working harder than everyone who worked with me, so I got big and they didn't. Found out the hard way in the second war that you can't work like you did at 21 when you're 34.

Each MRE provides an average of 1,250 calories (13 percent protein, 36 percent fat, and 51 percent carbohydrates) and one-third of the Military Recommended Daily Allowance of vitamins and minerals. A full day's worth of meals would consist of three MREs.

I ate any chance I got, because it could be hours or days before I got the chance again. Fun times.

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I know, I'm currently on a 3200 a day bulk. Steady gains.

[–]PoFolk 2 points2 points [recovered]

You honestly dont even need a shit ton of protein, too much of any one thing is never a good thing.

Unless its pussy.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 1 point2 points  (7 children)

There is too much. The number is variable based on the metric you're measuring, but the highest I've seen is 1.3g/lb body weight.

[–]PoFolk 6 points6 points [recovered]

If youve got a pound and a half pussy you're in the wrong sub.

[–]BlackHeart89 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Nah dude. Its been shown that consuming more protein than your body needs puts more stress on your liver than necessary. Over the years, doing that shit everyday, would tear your liver to pieces in the long run.

For the future, don't consume anymore protein than necessary. I eat 150g per day. Sometimes I go over.

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That's probably not high enough if you were on a cut though. Protein needs to retain all muscle mass during a cut go up. The literature shows diminishing benefits all the way up to 1.3 iirc like Cyralea is saying in such a case. Anecdotally I saw a pretty big improvement in mass gain and retention on both bulk and cut by going from 150g-180g to 250g-275g keeping calories otherwise equal (within ~150). Was 170 -> 180 at the time

[–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Definitely. I only weigh 168 and trying to maintain/slight bulk. During a 50 lb cut, I fucked up by not consuming more protein than usual.

But again, the damage is only done if going for years. Similar to if you do powerlifting everyday for 5 years with no rest/light days.

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

same shit happened to me, wanted to cut to 10%. Got down to probably 12 or 13 but realized I was cutting muscle too. Sets you back months to regain the muscle then recut the fat, what a pain

[–]PoFolk -1 points-1 points [recovered]

Did anyone read my post? Were all agreeing that you don't need a huge amount of protein to gain muscle efficiently.

[–]Gunho_Khan 0 points1 point  (25 children)

I think once you're in a caloric surplus it's not THAT important to eat the "right amount of protein" e.g. 1g per 1lbs. Yes you need protein. But you don't necessarily have to eat a shit ton of protein.

You don't get a gut from not eating enough protein in a calorie surplus, you get a gut from eating too much, period. While bulking you will probably gain a little bit of fat if you are natty, that's normal.

[–]juanqunt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

1g/lb is way higher than population average and pretty standard for lifters. Under 150g might be a bit low, but 300g isn't gonna be better than 200g unless you're Ronnie Coleman.

You get a gut from indigestion from eating too much foods that are either inflammatory or promote a bad gut microbiome profile. Drop dairy, decrease insoluble fibers, and that could decrease your waist size from bloating without changing fat%. Too many people who are lean, but look pregnant nowadays.

Now as for weight, that's mostly just calories, but sufficient protein and quality fats from natural foods can make a difference in body composition.

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You need 1 number for bulks, a different, higher number for cuts. Macros in order of body-protein sparing power (e.g. muscle retaining power): 1) protein, 2) carbs, 3) fat. On a cut when you reduce carbs drastically, you need to increase protein to ensure you don't lose muscle mass while losing fat.

newb gains and anabolics will increase your protein needs too.

source: lyle mcdonald's rapid fat loss solution

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea -3 points-2 points  (9 children)

1g per 1 lb body weight (to a max of 1.30g/lb) is precisely what I mean. You'd be surprised how many people actually miss this target while going overboard on calories.

You don't get a gut from not eating enough protein in a calorie surplus, you get a gut from eating too much, period

I never meant to suggest otherwise, though I can see how my wording was confusing. You need a calorie surplus to bulk, but if you're not meeting your protein targets a lot of it is simply going to get stored as fat.

EDIT: Corrected typo

[–]jakethesnake76 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Biggest problem i see is to many carbs..

[–]garlicextract 0 points1 point  (2 children)

how the fuck do you get to 130g protein while eating healthy and not bulking?

A solid serving of chicken breast is 30g. Let's say you eat that for lunch and dinner, plus a bunch of eggs during breakfast, you'll barely be at 90g.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It helps if you eat a lot of fish. The left portion is 150g, the right portion is 250g. Salmon is 22g protein per 100g.

It's not hard to put away 500g salmon in one sitting.

[–]garlicextract 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, salmon, one of my favorite foods. Unfortunately, it's quite expensive too. Adding more fish is something I'll be doing though.

[–]boscoist 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Citation needed on the 130g max

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 0 points1 point  (3 children)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It may not be beneficial purely based on nutritional needs but protein will satisfy you much more than other types of calories. Compare eating 400 cal of chicken breast to 400 cal of bread - its not even close in terms of satiety.

[–]boscoist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Im seeing .75-.82g/lb. No limit

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I made a mistake, I meant 1.3g/lb. Not sure why I wrote 130g originally.

My original source I'm citing stated it was 1.3g/lb, this one is stating 0.82. I imagine they're measuring different values.

[–]RealRational -8 points-7 points  (12 children)

Brock Lesnar nearly killed himself by eating too much protein, to support what you said.

[–]ButterMyBiscuit 0 points1 point  (10 children)

lol, he developed an intestinal disease that has nothing to do with protein consumption.

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[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No internet girly-slap fights. 30 days in the penalty box for you.

[–]ButterMyBiscuit 0 points1 point  (7 children)

"RealRational"

lol k

If you actually read the article you linked, you'd realize the problem was lack of fiber, not too much protein. They only mentioned protein to highlight his lack of fiber.

Why u so mad?

[–]RealRational -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

If he had less protein the lack of fiber wouldn't have caused a disease.

Guess you could look at it either way, but I'd rather look at it rationally and go "maybe eating 15 steaks a day is a bad idea".

If nothing else you're gonna die of cholesterol at 40.

Ignorance makes me angry, can't help it.

[–]ButterMyBiscuit 1 point2 points  (5 children)

If your goal is to be a 300 lb muscle freak, then eating 15 steaks a day isn't just a good idea, but necessary. The lesson is to eat vegetables with it.

[–]RealRational -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

The lesson is to eat vegetables with it.

Yes! Sigh, your rationality has assuaged my anger, haha.

But you raise a good point, why would you want to be a 300lb "muscle freak"? I've always found that disgusting. There's just a point where you've put on too much muscle for your frame. It's as simple as that, match muscle to your frame and go no further. It saps all your energy, destroys your cardio, slows you down, makes you gregarious and clumsy. There's not a single upside.

There is a reason he looked like a deer that just saw a lion when Dos Antos hit him, it was fantastic!

Anderson Silva, GSP, Randy Couture, those guys were all in peak physical form. Still muscular, but lean and quick, able to fight 30 minutes like it's nothing.

[–]moralitee12 -4 points-3 points  (9 children)

Not true. Check out a guy called vegan gains on youtube. He wears baggy tee's just to troll people into saying the usual "do you even lift bro" then he shows his massive lush arms from a lush vegan 80-10-10 diet. Hot as fuck and loves animals. There is more than 1 way to skin a cow...or not in his case. I suspect many of you here would do well to adopt a vegan lifestyle. Its amazing the effect that not eating our cousins can have on your psyche. Seriously.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 7 points8 points  (7 children)

There is no way a vegan can get as big as a carnivore. Vegetarian yes, but not vegan. Calling bullshit.

I checked out your Youtuber. Guy is lean, but looks like he weighs about 160 lbs. Not impressed.

[–]juanqunt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Only way possible is you take someone with amazing genetics and give him tons of hormones. No way in hell with equal baseline LOL.

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[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 5 points6 points  (1 child)

And they'd be bigger with meat. It's even more daunting for guys who aren't juicing like these guys are. They simply won't grow as fast or as big.

There's tons of literature on this.

[–]juanqunt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Especially for natties, you need saturated fats and cholesterol for proper hormone production. Egg, steak, salmon. I'd say even fuck chicken in general.

If chicken is your main source of meat, then you're basically half vegetarian. I only eat chicken when my budget is low or when I really want a bit of variety. And even then, pork is probably a better option.

[–]moralitee12 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

He's 6.2 so has even said he looks smaller than most shorter lifters. Hes buff as fuck. There are also plent vegan bodybuilders bigger than him too. He has a perfect v in some of his vids in the gym and his arms are friggin massive. Also it cannot be understated the effect it has on a woman when she finds out a guy loves animals...although im sure you guys will dispute it, despite you not being female. But whatevs, not really arsed if you agree or not. I just sometimes hope that one of my nuggets or greatness hits home. Ha. Hope springs eternal.

[–]juanqunt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

LMAO looked him up. He's the guy always talking shit on Blahahaaha vids. Biggest blue pill phaggot out there.

[–]moralitee12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol ok love. I have no desire to argue his blueness. The guy is doing well blue pill or not. I follow him on fb and youtube. He's continually getting proposals and declarations of love. His videos talking shit on people make my sides split. He is friggin hilarious :)

[–]1nzgs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vegan gains is tiny, just very lean. Not hard to gain a nominal amount of muscle and stay lean with just a vegan diet and soy protein. But in order to progress he has to widen his diet or get on the gear.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (19 children)

Since the body can only absorb 30-40 g protein/every 2-3 hrs, I would say this 2500-4000 parameter is a bit on the wild side.

[–]rpscrote 3 points4 points  (7 children)

that number is complete bunk broscience. Not true at all

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Articles or science research that share a more accurate number?

[–]RealRational 0 points1 point  (2 children)

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Harvard, Mayo, Johns Hopkins...are good standard sources. I'd like to see something from a big researcher like these.

[–]RealRational 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well if you google it you'll find them. But their studies are for "normal" people, not athletes, or even just people who lift weights to gain.

[–]rpscrote -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

the maximum hasn't been pinned down, leading the theory to be that the maximum is beyond what you can physically fit in your stomach. Check that Examine.com link for the best current knowledge on the topic

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

reputable lacking. find something from a big name univ or medical center (johns hopkins, mayo, harvard, etc)

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Your burden of proof to give evidence for your claim of 30-40g max. Find me a study.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 1 point2 points  (10 children)

That's a myth. Your body can consume much, much more than 40g protein in one sitting.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (9 children)

This guy's results would beg to differ that it's necessary and science say that overhauling protein will tax kidneys, leech calcium, and lead to excess fat. For this guy I'm linking to below, he has 20% protein in his diet per day. That's it. As he says "protein is overrated." I would be very happy to have his physique at 60 yo. Don't think he's alone.... There are many others like him with this diet, I provided a ton of links to others in my other post below.

http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bio_avi

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You didn't address what I wrote. Your body can handle much more than 40g in one sitting. This is scientifically observable.

[–]moralitee12 -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

Think you are fighting a losing battle. I was too ha. Enjoy your cancer boys and go your whole life denying yourself carbs...when you really have no need to. Infact quite the opposite. Chow

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Post pics and prove us wrong.

[–]moralitee12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The evidence is already out there GLO...the guy af505 already posted a video of vegans...huge muscled vegans. Healthy as you like. As long as you make sure to take b12...vitamin d and make sure you eat enough you can easily hit your needs every day. I check cronometer most days with my diet. Also dont tell me meat eaters dont have to supplement their diets too because they do. Plus i would rather just supplement a couple things than eat animals. Just my opinion :) Anyhoo have a great day crazy meat eating boys. Haha.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I hear you. But as long as I have Mayo, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, and Loma Linda on my side, I feel that I'm in the winner's circle. :)

[–]moralitee12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You defo are. Vegans for the win :) Ha

[–]juanqunt 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I don't think so. I know plenty of Harvard and JHU researchers who say else wise.

Enjoy your colon cancer, SIBO, IBS, thyroid issues, and tons of other problems as vegans. Enjoy high PUFA and high insoluble issues you get from nuts, seeds, and grains. Funny that beef liver contains way more vitamins and minerals than most veggies out there.

I eat about a pound of veggies and 2 pounds of raw fruits per day, but you need to balance that with 2 pounds of meat for optimal health.

[–]Di-onysos 57 points58 points  (67 children)

The pic of Alana Massey is excellent, it really showcases the features of vegans: pallid skin, thin hair, tired look. Just a look of that makes me hungry for some vitamin B12-rich fish that died for my health.

One thing that I would like to emphasize on the subject of training is that when you work out, you fucking work. When you rest, you fucking rest. When you're training it's short(no more than 60-70min), balls to the walls, high intensity. Then you rest, you eat, you take it easy like a lion does after a kill. Then you go again. Too many half-ass both, do some weird flappy shit at gym for two hours, then do some half-assed jogging, some half-assed pushups and whatever, never properly resting or properly training.

And eat your damn organs. Liver, kidneys, heart. Those are the parts predators in the wild eat first. Why? They're absolutely fucking packed with nutrients and shit all over any vegetable or multivitamin for that matter.

And do eat quality organic grassfed meat if at all possible. This is not some hippie shit, it's common sense. You are what you eat has eaten. Imagine you're a cannibal. Which person you'd think you'd prefer eating and is better for you: The mcdonalds + coca cola fattened obese slab, or the lean muscular athlete?

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 51 points52 points  (5 children)

Imagine you're a cannibal. Which person you'd think you'd prefer eating and is better for you: The mcdonalds + coca cola fattened obese slab, or the lean muscular athlete?

Well, the fat person would probably have more marbling in the meat, which makes for a more juicy and flavorful cut.

[–]1sailorJery 53 points54 points  (1 child)

plus they'd be easier to catch

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Remember the first rule of Zombieland: Cardio

When the zombie outbreak happened, the first to go - for obvious reasons - were the fatties.

[–]CoriolanusRevisited 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I guarantee this is going to end up somewhere else on Reddit "Those red pillers now endorse cannibalism!!11!"

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

All of my content has specific phrases designed to trigger bloopers

[–]TekkomanKingz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just a side note: Lions try and eat Hippos everyday unfortunately they are more resilient and vicious than they seem.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 31 points32 points  (4 children)

Men are attracted to young fertile healthy women. Alana Massey fucked herself up nutritionally so hard, that just by looking at her most men feel at an innate biological level that she would produce unhealthy babies.

[–]JetteAuLoinTRP 14 points15 points  (1 child)

She basically looks like she has cancer. Like... really. Fuck. 29 ? Jeez...

[–]1xwm 11 points12 points  (0 children)

29? From the picture I just assumed 45. Holy shit.

[–]1Goomich 5 points6 points  (13 children)

That girl from Protein World ad is vegan, though.

[–]AnAdventureCore 25 points26 points  (1 child)

And I would gladly eat the hell out of her.

[–]nomadicwilk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

oh yeah she's definitely good for the gains... i know where i'd start

[–]2rp_valiant 16 points17 points  (10 children)

it's not impossible to be nutritionally healthy and vegan, it's just hard and many hipster vegans don't put in enough effort to manage their vitamins and macros.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Its even harder to maintain a high muscle mass and be vegan. Check out the Macros of blood. It's the ultimate protein drink

[–]NedHenry 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hey, what do you think about Soylent, by the way?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Blood would get you more gains

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It tastes like really bad vanilla protein powder mixed with cardboard, and has shitty macros.

I eat a customized ketogenic, vegan, chocolate version every now and then, though.

[–]2rp_valiant -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

not that we carnivores regularly drink lambs blood (although that would be metal as fuck).

plus wouldn't that cause issues with coagulation in your stomach?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I think your stomach acid would denature the platelets so no.

[–]2rp_valiant 2 points3 points  (2 children)

yeah you're probably right.

Tomorrow's preworkout meal: sacrifice a lamb to the Iron Gods and consume it whole.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Preworkout: Blood Feast

Post workout: Eat whole lamb in gym parking lot

[–]2rp_valiant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

in the words of Lt Col. Kazinski: I just felt my dick move.

[–]whatgold 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Not enough carbs and calories. Check out Vegan Gains on YouTube. Most vegans aren't doing it right. Oreo's are technically vegan. High carb starch/fruit based is the only way.

[–]2niczar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's no such thing as "not enough carbs."

[–]Di-onysos -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

Doesn't help the chronic absence of fat-soluble vitamins in diet, getting way too much copper relative to zinc(murders test levels, increases estrogen), absence of vitamin B12 nor the absence of quality saturated fatty acids for the brain, myelin sheaths and cell membranes

Parents who grow their kids up vegan should be jailed for child abuse.

[–]whatgold 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Everything here is complete and utter bullshit.

The Okinawans and 7th day adventists would be plagued by terrible disease if true. Yet they're the longest living people in the world.

Do your research people, its a pain to wade through the bullshit just like it was a pain to swallow TRP, but as you know, it's worth it.

Americans have the highest calcium intake yet highest osteoporosis. Mineral intake alone means absolutely nothing, don't let idiots who haven't spent years studying health, curing incurable diseases, influence your health decisions.

[–]Di-onysos 3 points4 points  (3 children)

"Americans have the highest calcium intake yet highest osteoporosis"

Do you know why? They don't get enough vitamin K2. Sources for it are

ORGAN MEATS grassfed meat fish, especially fish roe grassfed dairy & cheeses & some cheeses like gouda that are fermented with specific bacteria that produce vitamin k2 and finally japanese dish called natto, which is fermented soybeans and pretty much unavailable outside japan

eat your damn QUALITY meat for health

and the funniest part is that you bring up the okinawans http://stan-heretic.blogspot.fr/2009/10/beware-of-okinawa-diet-scam.html

"And what do Okinawans eat? The main meat of the diet is pork, and not the lean cuts only. Okinawan cuisine, according to gerontologist Kazuhiko Taira, “is very healthy-and very, very greasy,” in a 1996 article that appeared in Health Magazine.19 And the whole pig is eaten-everything from “tails to nails.” Local menus offer boiled pigs feet, entrail soup and shredded ears. Pork is cooked in a mixture of soy sauce, ginger, kelp and small amounts of sugar, then sliced and chopped up for stir fry dishes. Okinawans eat about 100 grams of meat per day-compared to 70 in Japan and just over 20 in China-and at least an equal amount of fish, for a total of about 200 grams per day, compared to 280 grams per person per day of meat and fish in America. Lard-not vegetable oil-is used in cooking"

technical knockout on vegetarist scum. I await your applause

[–]RedSunBlue 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Okinawas are not even close to being vegetarian

Thank you. I can't believe these nimwits who go around spouting BS without doing even a cursory Google search.

Okinawans also work well into advanced age and have strong familial ties, and those are both shown to be positively correlated with longevity.

[–]whatgold 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Okinawans eat very little meat compared to the western world. 7th day adventists eat none. If you have an emotional attachment to eating meat that's fine, but you're still wrong, it's not healthy.

[–]whatgold 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Who is this under carbed Massey girl? Google freelee the banana girl. High carb vegan is where it's at. Fight through the misinformation.

[–]redpillthrower 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I have multiple problems with the 80/10/10ers and the fruitarians and freelee. First of all durian rider is a huge douche, probably the leastlikeable fitness guy i've ever seen, id rat her watch dr oz or sixpackshortcuts. Second almost all the people that do that seem to be not only very slim and not muscular, they put in hours of cardio EVERY day. Also she'll have a video saying why veganism is great, and than it will just be 10 minutes of slaughterhouse shit, like i give a fuck.

They also are disliked by almost all nutrition people i have seen. I think if i were to have tried an excessively high fructose diet like they did when i lost my weight i would probably have come close to death.

[–]whatgold -1 points0 points  (1 child)

They also are disliked by almost all nutrition people i have seen.

Like TRP. The opinions of the masses are usually wrong.

[–]redpillthrower 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean by people that practice it and are successful and people that i usually go to for information about it.

[–]bertmaklinFBI 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Where do you get your organic grass fed meat? They certify that all the grass the cow eats is organic? Do you know if your "organic" grass fed meat is really just grass finished?

[–]Di-onysos 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Actually I don't eat grassfed meat(or meat)right now for two reasons: 1: the one you said. What often happens is that the animals are fed grass through their life but before butchering they can spend weeks in feedlots waiting for the knife and eating grain all the while, which defeats the purpose. Second, it's fucking expensive and I'm not rich

So what I do is I eat a whole lot of fish which is cheaper, and buy butter that's from 100% certified grassfed animals & unpasteurized. That way I get the good fats and the fat-soluble vitamins relatively easily and cheaply.

[–]bertmaklinFBI 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Fish you run into the same problem. Wild caught is crazy expensive and farm raised fish are fed everything and anything like cows. That's why I don't bother any more.

Where do you get unpasteurized butter? Closest GF butter I can get it Kerry Gold.

[–]Di-onysos 1 point2 points  (3 children)

out of the lean fish, tuna and cod are cheap, and of the fattier ones sardines and mackerel.

don't live in the US so I can't help you with finding quality butter

[–]bertmaklinFBI 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Figured you were outside the US if you have access to pasteurized butter.

Not so cheap here. Tuna and Cod (wild caught) are 10-15 usd/lb. Grass fed beef is around 7 usd/lb. Chicken breast (normal grain fed) is 3 usd/lb. And sardines and mackerels aren't really efficient/cost effective when I am eating 50 grams of protein per meal.

[–]Di-onysos 1 point2 points  (1 child)

wow, those fish prices are expensive, I pay half that

you could look into this http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/ButterOil/

[–]bertmaklinFBI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lucky man.

Appreciate the link.

[–]OzzyF 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Fun fact: canned fish tends to be wild caught. Yeah you're gonna eat more sodium but it still cost a fraction of what wild caught fish would otherwise cost.

[–]bertmaklinFBI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are right cost wise but taste wise it isn't the same thing. When you eat clean every day there is nothing better than a nice piece of meat off the grill with salt, pepper, and butter. Keeps me sane.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea -5 points-4 points  (16 children)

And do eat quality organic grassfed meat

The rest of your post is on point, but this isn't good advice. Organic has no benefits over non-organic. It's pseudoscientific hippie babble.

A lot of nutrition is non-intuitive. Frozen vegetables, for example, typically have more nutrients than fresh, because they've degraded less from the time they were picked to the time they're on your plate at home.

[–]OzzyF 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Grassfed livestock has a better essential fatty acid profile.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 1 point2 points  (6 children)

My contention is specifically with organic vs. non-organic.

[–]1RPB1 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Organic beef tends to be grass fed while non-organic is almost always grain fed.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Still not an argument for organic. Grass-fed non-organic is just as good as grass-fed organic.

[–]1RPB1 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Way to miss the point there bro. You're arguing the virtues of organic vs non organic when my response is very specific: organic beef is grass fed. Ergo, buying organic beef will result in the desired nutritional profile.

You can sit there arguing in circles looking for an uncommon brand of non-organic grass fed beef, or you can do the smart thing and just buy whatever meat is grass fed, which will likely be organic.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Organic isn't always grassfed, and grass-fed isn't always organic. Your argument is irrelevant.

[–]1RPB1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I said "tends to". We're dealing in probabilities, not absolutes. Calm your opinionated titties and read.

[–]ModRedSovereign[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You were civil up until this point. Take a time-out.

[–]Di-onysos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Grass contains vitamin K1. When the animals eat it, they convert it to vitamin K2(which humans cannot do because we aren't ruminants) which then goes to their tissues aka meat. Vitamin K2 is a fat-soluble vitamin that makes calcium go to the right places in your body, aka teeth & bones. Vitamin K2 is the reason why the japanese have half the osteoporosis western countries have even though their calcium intake is only a fraction of ours(japs get their K2 from fermented soybeans, that is also what from vitamin k2 supplements are made). And vitamin k2 raises testosterone. By the way, if you needed braces as kid, you didn't have enough k2. instrumental for teeth development.

good explanation on how grassfed meat's fat composition shits over industrial http://mountaindogdiet.com/nutrition/protein/grass-fed-beef/

good read also http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CC8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.seanhyson.com%2Farticle%2Feat-fat-to-burn-fat-musclefitness-july-11.pdf&ei=KSFKVcmbPOGjyAPYqoCYCA&usg=AFQjCNHadKYB55DhlMOHms8EdM3ZnR6Phg

[–]1RPB1 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Non-organic foods and meats contain more endocrine disrupting compounds. The animals are also fed a diet of grains instead of a natural diet of nutrient rich grass (which worsens the nutrition profile in the meat). This is almost common knowledge by now.

Many factory farms also keep their animals in small spaces where they are more prone to small cuts that get infected, requiring the use of anti-biotics which get passed on to the consumer and reduces your gut flora population.

Even upon visual inspection, grass fed ground beef is red and browns when it cooks while "conventional" beef is pink and turns grey before it turns brown (by then it's burnt).

Plenty of literature on this that isn't self-funded confirmation bias by food giants with skin in the game.

There are certainly pseudoscientific hippies out there who think drinking kale juice will make you immortal, but the people going in the other extreme asserting there is no difference between organic and non are simply hamstering, ignorant, or both.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Non-organic foods and meats contain more endocrine disrupting compounds.

That's some grade-A bullshit. No, they don't. Do you understand what a non-organic organism is? For starters, non-organic pesticides are designed to biodegrade well before they hit your table. Organic pesticides, not so much.

Want to know some actual endocrine disruptors? They're all organic.

Introducing novel proteins into organisms isn't a mystery science. We know exactly what we're putting in there, and we can test toxicity in labs. GMO's are not the monsters they're made out to be by scientifically ignorant hippies.

[–]1RPB1 0 points1 point  (3 children)

One: I didn't mention GMOs even once. Just because something is non-organic doesn't necessarily make it GMO. Straw man.

Two: Perform your due diligence on Glyphosate and then get back to me.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Glyphosate

Oh, you mean the compound widely considered to be environmentally and safe due to its low toxicity? So much so that it's considered an epidemic that insects are developing a resistance to it?

You're not talking to someone uneducated on this. Don't spout lies in this sub, you will be called out for it.

[–]1RPB1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nice try bro.

Glyphosate-based herbicides are toxic and endocrine disruptors in human cell lines

Glyphosate-based herbicides are the most widely used across the world; they are commercialized in different formulations. Their residues are frequent pollutants in the environment. In addition, these herbicides are spread on most eaten transgenic plants, modified to tolerate high levels of these compounds in their cells. Up to 400 ppm of their residues are accepted in some feed. We exposed human liver HepG2 cells, a well-known model to study xenobiotic toxicity, to four different formulations and to glyphosate, which is usually tested alone in chronic in vivo regulatory studies. We measured cytotoxicity with three assays (Alamar Blue, MTT, ToxiLight), plus genotoxicity (comet assay), anti-estrogenic (on ERalpha, ERbeta) and anti-androgenic effects (on AR) using gene reporter tests. We also checked androgen to estrogen conversion by aromatase activity and mRNA. All parameters were disrupted at sub-agricultural doses with all formulations within 24h. These effects were more dependent on the formulation than on the glyphosate concentration. First, we observed a human cell endocrine disruption from 0.5 ppm on the androgen receptor in MDA-MB453-kb2 cells for the most active formulation (R400), then from 2 ppm the transcriptional activities on both estrogen receptors were also inhibited on HepG2. Aromatase transcription and activity were disrupted from 10 ppm. Cytotoxic effects started at 10 ppm with Alamar Blue assay (the most sensitive), and DNA damages at 5 ppm. A real cell impact of glyphosate-based herbicides residues in food, feed or in the environment has thus to be considered, and their classifications as carcinogens/mutagens/reprotoxics is discussed.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19539684

Glyphosate induces human breast cancer cells growth via estrogen receptors.

Glyphosate is an active ingredient of the most widely used herbicide and it is believed to be less toxic than other pesticides. However, several recent studies showed its potential adverse health effects to humans as it may be an endocrine disruptor. This study focuses on the effects of pure glyphosate on estrogen receptors (ERs) mediated transcriptional activity and their expressions. Glyphosate exerted proliferative effects only in human hormone-dependent breast cancer, T47D cells, but not in hormone-independent breast cancer, MDA-MB231 cells, at 10⁻¹² to 10⁻⁶M in estrogen withdrawal condition. The proliferative concentrations of glyphosate that induced the activation of estrogen response element (ERE) transcription activity were 5-13 fold of control in T47D-KBluc cells and this activation was inhibited by an estrogen antagonist, ICI 182780, indicating that the estrogenic activity of glyphosate was mediated via ERs. Furthermore, glyphosate also altered both ERα and β expression. These results indicated that low and environmentally relevant concentrations of glyphosate possessed estrogenic activity. Glyphosate-based herbicides are widely used for soybean cultivation, and our results also found that there was an additive estrogenic effect between glyphosate and genistein, a phytoestrogen in soybeans. However, these additive effects of glyphosate contamination in soybeans need further animal study.

A glyphosate-based herbicide induces necrosis and apoptosis in mature rat testicular cells in vitro, and testosterone decrease at lower levels.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22200534

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That's just the tip of the iceberg. Continue your homework on your own time. That is all.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're looking at direct glyphosate exposure on hepatic liver cells. Poor measure of how it actually functions when consumed. The LD50 in rats is over 5000 mg/kg. It's extremely safe.

[–]garlicextract -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When you're training it's short(no more than 60-70min), balls to the walls, high intensity.

Citation needed. If you're already in shape then yeah, keeping it 60-70 mins is ideal. For a lot of people coming to this sub, they may be 10, 20, 30, 50, or 100+ lbs overweight. If you want to drop 10 lbs there's nothing wrong (and probably a lot right) if you spend >90+ minutes in the gym once in a while. Notice that key last part of the sentence.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht 22 points23 points  (10 children)

God damn, this is good shit.

I really only lift to supplement BJJ, but the 20 rep squat is a staple. There's no more efficient workout. The whole thing takes maybe 20 minutes, warm up and follow-on exercises included. But, a man learn lessons in that couple minutes spent between reps 14 and 20.

Also, where did all these pussies come from who preach what Mark Rippetoe calls "silly bullshit," and say, "hhrrrnnnnn, being strong isn't the definition of being a man." God damn. It's punk ass bitches like you that make me pray for the zombie apocalypse every fucking day. Every. Fucking. Day. You don't deserve to survive, much less breed. You only exist because of the giant umbrella of puss that's been draped over Western civilization for damn near four generations now. When the zombies come, I can't wait to take all my shit back from you that you've been holding on my behalf for so long.

[–]apachemd 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Me too. BJJ 6 times/week and lifting 3 times week. Most BJJ guys I train with don't lift at all which is strange imho since strength and size only helps my BJJ game. Lifting big and heavy, and then eating a shit ton of paleo foods, followed my rest, really is the key.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I think a lot of bjj guys don't fully appreciate strength training. Sure, technique is extremely important, but having a 50% strength advantage in your weight class doesn't hurt.

[–]1xwm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been wanting to get into BJJ (and Muy Thai) for a while now. My work schedule makes this pretty much impossible other than one day a week though, and I'm not paying $100+ a month for four classes. New job time.

[–]ChadThundercockII -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Bro, I pray for a zombie apocalypse too. Did you buy a sword yet ?

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Goddamn right.

Also, guns.

I do fairly well in our current civilization, but I think I'd do better as a warlord.

[–]ChadThundercockII -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

In a different time, I would have been a thief/scientist. Fuck the system, fuck sluts and make money.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

don't buy the lies man. science says otherwise

VEGANISM is where it's at:

[–]cariboo_j 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I highly recommend rock climbing to supplement weight training.

It builds grip strength in the tendons of the fingers and forearms that can't be replicated with weight training.

Plus you get the mental training of keeping a cool head in terrifying situations if you go outdoors.

[–]OKJaded 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The chubby nutritionist isn't going to approve.

These bitches drive me up the wall. If you understand nutrition how the fuck did you get so unhealthy? You are your product and your marketing fucking sucks.

GLO You nailed it perfectly. Best source for muscle tissue? Muscle tissue. I'd love to see the breakdown of top level athletes. World Record holders. And what percentage of them are Vegan. Fuck, what about leaders in every field? When they were at their peak, were they vegan/vege?

Oh, and it doesn't count if they did it all in their 30s-40s and switched off meat in their 70s.

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[–]garlicextract 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A couple of times a week you have to fuck yourself up to such a high degree that you don't know where you are, what your name is or if you are a feminist.

I'm fucking dead. That was fantastic.

[–]Soriq 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Sidenote, I read your "redpill erotic fan fiction" the other day on AlreadyRed, fucking hilarious bro

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

A while ago I posted: Why Can't Smart Progressive Women stop themselves from fellating Red Pill Alphas?

In purple pill. The quickly deleted it. But if you like my erotic fan fic ull love this

Its your lunch hour and you're at Wholefoods looking for the perfect organic snack.
Those cold press juices are healthy, but damn are they expensive. You could do that Teriyaki bowl but then everyone would smell your breath at the meeting.

Then suddenly you see him. He looks familiar. Big round shoulders. Dark piercing eyes. The man walks past you and into another aisle. You remember him from somewhere, but at the same time you've never actually met him. Should you get some 7 dollar soup? Who was that guy? Your mind is racing.

What should I eat? Who is that man? You're overwhelmed. Aren't women supposed to be good at multitasking? You read in Psychology Today that women are good at multitasking. Your phone buzzes. You have a Tindr match and a message from your boyfriend telling you he loves you. 12:30. You're going to be late. Just have to act super cute when you get back so the boss doesn't say anything.

You see him again. This time he's holding a large package of meat and staring right at you. You feel angry. You know him from Twitter. That muscular asshole. HE is GayLubeOil. He is that fucker posting all that misogynist shit on Red Pill. You told yourself you would do it so many times. If I ever see that fucker ill slap him. You have to. You told yourself that you would. So now you have to.

You put your phone in your purse and walk toward him with an open palm. Alright fucker, get ready for social justice. He's right in front of you. He's taller than you thought. You reach out to slap him but your palm falls squarely on his chest. You feel his presence as your eyes lock into his.

As you look up into his dark brooding eyes, you see into him. You see into his soul. You see into his past. You see deep snow, barking dogs, the peeling paint of a grungy basement gym. You see 90's Russia. A frightening place but a place where real men are made.

Nothing could prepare you for a vision of the wild east. Your legs buckle as your hands slide down his torso and onto his waist. You grab him trying to slow your decent. But it doesn't help. You're on your knees in front of him clutching his adidas track pants: the official pants of the Eastern European male.

With his Soviet Missile in front of you, you can't help but follow your impulse. You slide it into your mouth and begin preparing it for launch. Your eyes meet those of your onlookers. You don't care. You continue your mission until you feel the warmth in your mouth.

Suddenly, you realize where you are and what you did. This isn't the organic snack you came to Wholefoods for. EVERYONE is staring at you. The dude arranging the cucumbers. The tattooed girl at the cash register. All of them saw what you did.

"I just wanted a sample!' you yell as your mouth drips. People have samples at Wholefoods all the time. It's completely normal. You walk out of the store deliberately as your acquaintance watches you with his dark eyes.

On your way back to work you can't help but wonder, Why can't smart progressive Blue Pill women stop themselves from fellating Red Pill alphas? Its a difficult question, but the wise philosophers of Purple Pill Debate have an answer. They always do.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

A little context for our readers not familiar with Slavic culture.

You're on your knees in front of him clutching his adidas track pants: the official pants of the Eastern European male.

I get a huge chuckle every time I see GLO reference these guys as the paragon of Alpha. So, the people for whom this style of dress is very important are known as "gopniks," and they look like this. They're kind of like the Slavic equivalent of British chavs or American trailer trash wiggers.

Obviously alpha as fuck.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your just jelly of my sunflower seed game

[–]Soriq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LMAO. It's never her fault. If purple pill asksmen they would know.

[–]RompeChocha 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Fuck... i have small baby soft hands...

[–]laere 16 points17 points  (0 children)

From lifting and guitar my hands are calloused steel. Get at it fitness faggot!

[–]redditarcm89 6 points6 points [recovered]

Related note; Do none of you use lotion? I get that it's not incredibly masculine, but dry skin is a terrible feeling.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I use lotion and I've never considered it non-masculine.

[–]1grubek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mine too. And I've done lots of weight lifting. I just used leather globes. I guess that's for faggots too or something.

[–]RedHeimdall 7 points8 points  (2 children)

you have to fuck yourself up to such a high degree that you don't know where you are

Sometimes after a heavy lift I put down the weights, take a few steps and I am seeing cartoon stars... good times, walk it off.

I experimented with adding a pre-workout shake recently but I go intense at the gym and I discovered I feel like I am going to puke if I have anything in my stomach other than a few sips of water.

Makes sense. No reason to change up my system. Food and water are for winners. Until you raise the iron you are a loser.

[–]ButterMyBiscuit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pre is a real crapshoot for me. Sometimes I feel like an unstoppable animal and I make PRs, sometimes I feel like I'm going to die and my heart is exploding and I can't lift shit. I don't take it anymore either.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lifting heavy ups your blood pressure and so do stimulants. It's that synergistic combination that is fucking you up. Good Luck! It sounds like you are on the right path.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I just found some new stretch marks on my pec/delt tie in from my ridiculous chest pump the other day. it's working.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Dumbell pullovers are under utilized. They help stretch out the chest and make it grow

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't do them often but I always get a great stretch there. I happened to have been doing supersets of Arnold flies that day so I was stretching plenty.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Cutting right now so I can't sacrifice as much animals. :(

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Eat high Fat High Protien and low carb. Ever five or six days have a carb day

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[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (67 children)

Nah there are plenty of vegan bodybuilders to prove that protein is what's needed not animals.

Here are a bunch of weightlifting pros who are ALL vegan:

(Shitty song on the audio track, but good examples in the video!)

  • Also this guy's body:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83hYTT1o-JY

  • And these men and women:

http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=videos

  • And this beast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzyizp74VTw

Also, the following leading medical institutions have noted the harmful effects of eating large quantities of meat (particularly red meat, lessened danger with chicken and fish) and dairy:

Take the word of the world's leading scientists, as well as effective bodybuilders mentioned above. Vegan kills it, meat (particularly red meat) kills you. I'm well aware that this is offensive and disruptive to many people who grew up eating meat with family and friends and where meat is an intimate part of their lives. I don't mean to offend; but these are the facts, gotta share.

Edits: typos

[–]pillpapa 18 points19 points  (5 children)

I was vegetarian for two years and vegan for about half that time. I wanted to get bigger and stronger so I started doing my research and paying attention to my protein intake.

Getting enough protein via whole foods is nearly impossible. Lentils/split peas are too loaded with starchy carbs (8g protein/100 kCal) and even nuts are mostly fat/carbs (4g protein/100 kCal). For reference, chicken has 19g protein/100 kCal. Soy protein products can have up to 22g/100kCal so that's the route I went. If you are a self respecting man who wants the drive to pursue sex, take risks, and kick ass, do not try this at home. Soy is a testosterone killer.

I'm actually aware of several of the bodybuilders you mentioned. They rely heavily on dietary supplements. Vega One is a super clean protein source that Patrik Baboumian claims to use. $70 dollars of this stuff will get you 360g of protein, the same amount of protein I can get from about $12 of the cleanest, most humanely raised chicken available in my area.

Vegan kills it

Those who are dedicated and who have deep pockets can kill it despite, not because of, a vegan diet.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

It's sad that the best diet on the planet is not more readily available to people due to cost, and, lack of information about how to do it right. I have found inexpensive ways to do it (I'm on a budget man, it takes a stretch), and have read a lot to round out my knowledge. The issue is time, not so much expense. Time reading and learning how to do it inexpensively. But everything worthwhile takes time. There arw no shortcuts to a good thing.

Diet - Beans, grains, and your basic apples and oranges are cheap. Greens pack the protein too. I don't eat soy. Nuts are very helpful too.

I'm well acquainted with these bodybuilders I listed too. Check out their eating regime and many of them you'll see do not pack in the overdose of protein that the meat majority recommend. That's because the body does not need that much. You can only absorb 30-40 grams of protein every couple hours; anything over that does nothing for you except to create fat and leech calcium and overtax your kidneys. Here is a dude who's physique I would love to have wheb I'm 60! Avi made his gains and sustains his gains as a vegan. His diet consists of only 20% protein. He says "protein is overrated." Check him out - http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bio_avi

[–]rpscrote 7 points8 points  (3 children)

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

find something from a big name univ or medical center (johns hopkins, mayo, harvard, etc)

[–]rpscrote 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You are claiming you can only 30-40g per sitting. The burden of proof is on you to substantiate your claim.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yes, veganism isn't inherently unhealthy. You just need to do your fucking research on diet and fucking lift. I'd argue that the #1 problem with vegans is their mentality: obsession with low calorie/low protein foods, eschewing of traditional bodybuilding macros, non aggressiveness/ femininization of behavior.

I say all this as a vegetarian bro.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Points taken. So, I eat vegan. And I'm sad to say that MOST vegans I meet are pussies. Does that mean that veganism is for pussies? No. No it does not. It means that veganism has been hijacked by PETA and hipsters and needs to be taken back by bodybuilders for what it is: the healthiest dietary approach to making mass gains as is possible. And yes someone should definitely research diet needs before jumping headlong into veganism.

[–]2dfx 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So then, for the aspiring lifter who would want a eating regimen that's high protein/high other things related to gainz that is vegan-centric, where would one go to get ingredient/meal lists?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You would need to change your whole diet. The axiom No pain No Gain applies here. Read Forks Over Knives and The China Study for starters. Read what interviews with the bodybuilders I listed above say about their diets. And this guy - http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bio_avi

[–]laere 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Pretty cool to see a different perspective to be honest. Meat tastes too good to personally give up though!

[–]Cyako -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Believe me, most vegans/vegetarians thought it was too good to give up at some point in their lives as well!

Out of interest, what aspects of meat taste good for you?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

what aspects of meat taste good for you?

The absence of vegetable taste.

[–]1aguy01 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I'm not going to look into each of those guys's history but I know for a fact most 'vegan bodybuilders' built their physique with meat, then switched to vegan and people started using them to support their arguments.

Meat protein has significantly more BCAA than vegetable proteins, and is without any question a better way to build muscle. Doesn't mean you can't get decent results while vegan but you are missing out, end of story. There is an issue with the amount of Methionine in meat being taxing on your liver, but that can be negated with a Glycine/Cystein supplement to help your liver out, or just get the bone collagen into your diet that our ancestors ate.

Edit: Also, many studies look at commercialized red meat, with added hormones and antibiotics, that are fed pesticide ridden grains their whole life. That is a totally different animal than a grass fed, hormone and antibiotic free cow.

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but I know for a fact most 'vegan bodybuilders' built their physique with meat

Not only that, but many cumulative grams of Test

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

That is a totally different animal than a grass fed, hormone and antibiotic free cow.

It is a little bit better, but only slightly. it's like drinking amonia instead of amonia with rat poison; the results are going to be enough to hit your HARD either way. The cancer causing and heart disease related agents in meat are there whether it is in a McDonald's burger patty, or, a Grade A hormone-free antibiotic-free patty.

[–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What are these 'cancer causing agents'?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Carcenogenic compounds in meat

https://pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

and in dairy it is primarily casein

[–]RedSunBlue 6 points7 points  (19 children)

I'll jump right on that vegan/vegetarian train when they start collecting more gold medals, world championships, and title belts than meat eaters.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (18 children)

Haha Ok...there are also more people around the world who believe in superstition versus science, are you going to join that majority as well?

[–]RedSunBlue 5 points6 points  (17 children)

No, because the majority of people in the world are not winners. And the majority of vegans/vegetarians in sports are not winners either.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (16 children)

No, your logic in your inital statement was based on what the Majority do.

[–]RedSunBlue 2 points3 points  (15 children)

Champions are by definition not the majority. They're also not vegetarians.

If vegetarianism/veganism had disproportionate representation in the upper echelons of human performance, I'd consider it.

But they don't. So I won't.

[–]Cyako 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Most vegetarians/vegans adopt the diet to reduce animal suffering, whereas you seem very fixated on the notion that we expect vegetarians/vegans to be better than meat eaters in competitive sports? No one suggested that eating meat reduces competitive ability, just that it can have long-term negative effects on health.

[–]RedSunBlue 1 point2 points  (2 children)

According to your vegan homeboy, vegan/vegetarianism is:

the best diet on the planet

He didn't say in what context. His main post also implies that he believes meat is entirely unnecessary for anything and everything.

Here's the thing, you can point to the China study, someone else can point to a debunking of the China study. None of you are scientists so that's just going to devolve into two apes flinging "no ur wrong" shit at each other.

What I did was point to the pinnacles of human athletic performance and noted that none of them are vegetarians. Also, the rate of cancer development amongst professional athletes seems to be much lower than the average population, even though they're probably consuming more meat than average.

If you want to decrease animal suffering, good on ya. I ain't even playin. I respect that.

But don't try to tell me a vegetarian diet is "just as good" as a omnivorous one full stop when no one on the winner's podium of anything worth a shit got there with tofu and bean sprouts.

[–]Cyako 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You should check out Carl Lewis, he became vegan in his late twenties and credited "his outstanding 1991 results in part to the vegan diet he adopted in 1990" and then won gold again after his injuries even when he was well into his thirties and on a vegan diet for a number of years.

To clarify, I'm not saying you should become vegan or anything, just that you seem to believe there are no vegetarian - let alone vegan - champions.

[–]erplaint 0 points0 points [recovered]

PETA-bitch spotted! "Meat is murder" type slogans detected. Please stop vaginizing (or is the word "pussifying"?) this sub! It is one of the few places that doesn't believe masculinity is the plague. To pollute it with that feminist-PETA bullshit is just... horror!

[–]Cyako -1 points0 points  (4 children)

To clarify, you're suggesting that paying someone to bring a sentient life into this world, raise it in an unnatural environment where it is loaded with hormones and often abused, slit it's throat whilst hanging it upside down before chopping it into little pieces, package it nicely to not even look like meat and then sell it to you at a supermarket is masculine? Right.

How about you watch a little bit of this documentary to prove your masculinity?

For the record I'm not a fan of PETA, nice ad hominem though.

[–]erplaint 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yep, you're a PETA bitch. Heard all that shitty rhetoric a million times before, doesn't sound any less faggoty now. I've seen those documentaries a million times. That's how meat is harvested. We are humans, we eat meat! And yes, agriculture is masculine, it is what built civilization! Grow a pair and stop polluting this sub with that PETA crap.
PS: I know what your little vegan hugboxes look like, I lurked some of those communities just for the sake of it, simply to see for myself if they are as nutty as people made them out to be. They are. They are, in fact, indistinguishable from other SJW hives.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

This is incorrect. The longest living, healthiest people groups in the world are vegetarian and vegan. The Mayo Clinic along with Thomas Campbell documented this in the best selling book The China Study.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1932100660/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1430954798&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SY200_QL40&keywords=the+china+study&dpPl=1&dpID=511i1Gp5XJL&ref=plSrch

This book has been championed Johns Hopkins and Harvard Health Institute as well. It's the most comprehensive study on health ever conducted.

In this way, vegans and vegetarians lead the race in human perfoance in the ultimate feat they win at: longevity of life span.

[–]RedSunBlue 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Okinawans eat pork like pigs killed their ancestors and they live long as anyone.

Try again.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

And saturated fat is bad for you, salt raises your blood pressure, creatine gives you cancer, and eggs raise your cholesterol.

And they say economics is the dismal science.

According to Examine.com there is a small correlation (not causation) between cancer and meat eating, and this can be mitigated by eating fruits and veggies, and not eating processed meat.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

you're going with examine.com over johns hopkins, mayo, harvard, and loma linda. you sure youre unplugged bro?

[–]teamjkforawhile 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The meat eater hamster is as strong as the one women have. I see so much ridiculous non science based bullshit "advice" on eating meat.

They don't need to worry about hurting the feelings of " liberals and intellectuals", but instead their own delicate feelings apparently.

[–]BannedAlpha -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Pretty much the best case you can find for meat being healthy is that is "not necessarily causing cancer' or 'not necessarily a lot worse than a plant based diet'. That is your best case scenario.

Worst case would be things that are almost universally accepted by things like the American Cancer Society about the harmful effects of over eating meat.

[–]2niczar 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Nah there are plenty of vegan bodybuilders to prove that protein is what's needed not animals.

It's a lot more work and a lot less pleasure. You can get enough proteins with a vegan diet, but that means getting a shitloads of carbs as well. On an animal diet, you can sustain remove most carbs and use fats instead. Much, much, much better for most people past a certain age (typically 35).

Obligatory /r/keto plug.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

past a certain age

I'd love to look like this guy at age 60. He's at only 20% protein on a mainly carb diet. "Protein is overrated" he says.

http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bio_avi

He is well aware of what others are waking up to in recent years - the meat and dairy empires have brainwashed individuals into fanatical reliance on meat and dairy products that in actuality make you fatter, lethargic, leech calcium, cause kidney stones, lead to higher rates of heart disease, and worst of all have a probability of cancer in men and smaller likelihood of cancer in women. The research is published by all of the leading hospitals and health centers around the world. The bodybuilding world doesn't like veganism because hipsters and PETA-ites have made it a stench, but their hijacking of the diet doesn't make it any less the platinum standard for bodybuilding that it is.

[–]2niczar 1 point2 points  (1 child)

AHA HA AHHAHAHAH.

Dude. Don't ever go to /r/keto. The cognitive dissonance is going to cause you a brain aneurysm.

Lethargic and fatter. That's a good one.

You sound like you're from bizarro land. Everything's upside down.

Seriously. I lost 20 kg on a ketogenic diet, without the slightest attention to caloric intake. Furthermore high carbs used to give me reactive hypoglycemia, and I suspect many people get that as well. You can't get more lethargic than that. No insulin response = no fattening and no lethargy.

As for the meat and dairy empires ... Well the largest aggro companies in the world are carb based. Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Nabisco, Quaker and so on. Meat and dairy are small fry in comparison.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not exactly, those companies are actually 'refined carb' based, not carb based.

The reason your carbs were sending you into hypoglycemia is because you weren't intaking enough fiber with the carbs to facilitate the sugar into your system at a proper rate. Eating almonds, flax seed (ground), chia seed, or strawberries (a few especially effective examples) will mitigate that problem so that your hunger doesn't turn into monster cravings. I subsist easily on 900-1200 cals a day during my cutting phase since I started getting more fiber into my diet. I don't have to deal with the dizzy, faint, clammy, tired, frustrated hypo or hyper effects.

Not bizarro land. It's science man. And science from the leading medical institutions wordwide (Mayo, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Loma Linda, etc.).

[–]JJonesWisco 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yes, protein intake is they key. However, those videos above a ripe with juiced up lifters. Steroids plus plant protein are a hell of an effective combo.

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Good luck getting 1.0g/lb of LBM protein on a vegan diet. Any diet that makes it hard to get protein is a bad diet for muscle building, period. Sure, you can work 10x harder or spend 10x to get the same amount of protein -- i'll stick with something that lets me make my diet a sustainable lifestyle because I've made compliance as painless as possible

[–]Cyako 0 points1 point  (5 children)

1g/lb of LBM protein on a vegan diet is relatively easy - meat is overrated in terms of the protein it provides. You don't have to work '10x harder' and the vegan diet is FAR cheaper than any diet based around meat so I don't get where you get the idea that it costs 10x more?

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (4 children)

show me protein that's vegan and cheaper than whey per ounce.

[–]Cyako 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The rice protein powder I buy now is cheaper than the whey I used to buy, since it's rice instead of dairy I would expect it to be cheaper all across the board as dairy is one of the most expensive food products. Regardless, you save so much money on everyday food going vegan that even if rice protein powder was slightly more expensive you would easily make that money back from eating. On top of that, protein powders should really be a small part of your total intake so I don't entirely understand your focus on that.

[–]2niczar 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Eating rice protein powder vs. eating steak.

One of those things is more appealing than the other, for some reason.

[–]Cyako 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh so you get steak protein powder? Cool.

[–]erplaint 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Holy crap! I didn't realize there would be so many PETA-bitches on TRP. I thought it was supposed to teach us how to restore our masculinity in this gynocentric world, yet there seem to be a whole lot of "save the animals" "meat is murder" mentality.
I supposed we're bound to have some leftover crap in our minds even after unplugging but I didn't think it would be of the "meat and cheese is bad, mkay" type.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fuck PETA. This is science. And real men buy into science, not fairy tales.

[–]Cyako -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Thanks for spreading some sound information with actual research to support it.

Whilst I respect that everyone has a choice to eat the foods they desire, we really do live in a society that has been brainwashed to believe animal products are the absolute best at providing all the nutrition we need whilst the many studies (surprisingly, often the ones not funded by the animal/dairy industries) showing the negative effects of meat/dairy/eggs are brushed aside.

I get that GLO has a certain persona and celebrity status to live up to on this sub but this a truly terrible post for most newcomers to the subreddit who won't realise he is somewhat exaggerating - get your one-way tickets to snap city and cancer here, folks.

[–]1003rp -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Or you can still eat some meat In addition to the foods they eat to get the protein you need with more variety of food choices.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Chicken and especially fish are less impacting, but still second rate to the same vitamins and nutrients you can get through a vegan diet. Yes, a vegan diet is foreign to most people and requires study and learning (and unlearning) but nothing good comes easy. Red meat in particular is detrimental to the body. Dairy is even worse than meat. This is basic 101 in science today, but popular? Hell no, not popular.

[–]JF803 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This reads like an /r/swoleacceptance post

[–]madrealworld 4 points5 points  (5 children)

my hands have become calloused fucked up and ugly from llifting and ive hated that until i read this post. thank you.

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (1 child)

you can reduce nasty calluses by gripping the bar with better form; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZBmiQm4MF4. You'll still have calluses but they wont be the super thick kind that rip off and bleed

[–]madrealworld 1 point2 points  (0 children)

oh nice thanks for the link bro!

[–]ButterMyBiscuit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I wear callouses like a badge of honor. I've had people comment on them before and I just say "that's the price of lifting heavy" with a shrug and they never mention it again.

[–]madrealworld 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i used to be ashamed of them but that just seems silly in retrospect. i embrace it now

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[–]ButterMyBiscuit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, when you're just starting you need to take it easy. Don't start going "balls to the wall" until you're comfortable with all your lifts and form. Starting out going 0-100 is a recipe for injuries.

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[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nothing gets the attention of my 22 year old male audience like cum shots

[–]epixs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Love the post man, go hard or go home.

[–]aptway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree with everything except the mentions of eating soybeans/soy products. Multiple studies (more than have shown otherwise) show that the phytoestrogens found in soy decrease Testosterone.

Source (which cites the studies): http://anabolicmen.com/soy-and-testosterone/

[–]brasilgringo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anyone have a link to a good starting routine for a 45 year old guy who hasn't been to the gym in 3 years? I'm worried more about not overtly hurting myself badly in the first weeks of return. Thx.

[–]juanqunt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sheiko + 2lbs of meat/day masterrace here.

Animal protein proven to be more beneficial to not muscle, but also brain, skin, and gut health. No better protein in existence than raw salmon and extra rare steak.

Saturated fats are not the enemy. Polyunsaturated fats are way worse (just a bit of omega 3 is needed).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I use rep to failure as a way to get past the plateau. As a result, I can usually bench 10 more pounds than the previous 2 weeks. So I agree: there are no tricks but blood, sweat, and tears (and time since nothing comes immediately).

[–]BannedAlpha -1 points0 points  (1 child)

oh 10lbs a week added to your bench, that seems like you'll be able to keep that up for a while...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do sports competitively so I'm not aiming for mass but I'm aiming for high reps and endurance. But yeah slow and steady, right?

[–]TRPMackDaddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Couldn't agree more with this 'no pain no gain' post. Made me lol as well, thank you OP

[–]TerriblementeCruel 5 points5 points [recovered]

Seeing this title I thought it was going to be about Spartacus TV series. Which, BTW, I highly recommend to my RP fellas. A lot of inspiration and motivation can be found in this series.

And this post is on point as usual. Love your style.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Thank you so much. I try to calibrate my writing to be hypermasculine because that's what I feel young men crave especially in the feminized anglosphere.

[–]el_superbeastooo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Right on man, well written post. Today was SQ/OHP/DL day (doing 5x5) and I was in the gym resting between some rough Squat sets when I read this. It was the kick in the ass I needed.

[–]1London-Bananas -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Also don't get too excited after season one. Sadly, the main actor died of cancer when season two was being made.

The show continued with a prequel that was pretty cool, and a sequel with a lookalike that was completely shit. Don't know if they made more, I stopped watching after they introduced the new guy.

RIP Andy

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I fucking love your posts, GLO. After seeing the "Men, what do you hate about men?" post on /r/askreddit, I came here to see something kickass to restore balance to the world and then there's a motherfucking GLOPost.

[–]CalvinHobb3s 4 points5 points  (23 children)

So much cringe in this post lol Also, since we're using extreme examples Frank Medrano is vegan.

To say all this in a not so weird way.

All you need to do is full body motion/body weight exercises.

Dips/ Pull Ups/ Squats/ Deadlifts/ Push ups/ sprints (HIIT)

Add a weight to push-ups/pull ups/dips if you're hitting too many reps without. Watch your caloric intake to shred down.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 53 points54 points  (11 children)

That dude weighs 160 pounds. I have 60 pounds on that dude. Guaranteed I could destroy him any lift with my Russian Meat strength. Why? Because I have the raw power of thousands of animal souls within me.

[–]phillip42069 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Are Animal souls organic, gluten free, and all natural?

[–]yesidoes -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Great! And this guy has 60 pounds on you....

Isn't this forum about sexual strategy? If you get personally defensive about destroying him with any lift, you're probably an insecure fitness faggot.

Do you think Frank is worried that you do more weight on deadlifts? Has your post caused the women he fucks to drop him in search of your Korall Cannon? I doubt it.

Vegans can be healthy and strong, meat eaters can be healthy and strong.

I enjoy your posts, but unlike some of the users here, who I'm confident bust out their own bottle of Gay Lube Oil when they read them, I think some of your articles (this one included) are bullshit.

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Vegans can be healthy and strong, meat eaters can be healthy and strong

Except being strong and building muscle REQUIRES protein, and eating vegan makes it infinitely more difficult and expensive to consume sufficient protein without blowing your load on carbs

[–]yesidoes 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Hemp protein is a complete protein and vegan. Very inexpensive and easy to use in smoothies.

I am not vegan myself, but my friend is and he presses 315 x 5 .

It is harder to get complete proteins, but definitely possible (P.S. avoid soy).

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (2 children)

not impossible certainly, but more difficult and more expensive. IMO designing diet around realistic compliance first and theoretical optimal numbers second is wise, because the goal is to make it a lifestyle. The easier it is to carry out the more likely the "dieter" will comply. You can add the more difficult steps as the dieter gains discipline

[–]yesidoes 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Definitely a good point, and in all fairness my friend was a vegetarian when he made most of his gains, then lacto-vegetarian, and finally shifted to vegan.

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that seems to be pretty typical for most "vegan" bodybuilders. It's so much easier to do it as vegetarian or lacto vegetarian (eggs, cottage cheese, milk and whey being some of the cheapest proteins) than vegan

[–]1London-Bananas 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Frank might be a vegan but he roids like a bull

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Is this a joke? At least list all the necessary compounds (shoulder press, bench, rows). But even then you will plateau. You just listed some high school level track kid's routine.

[–]CalvinHobb3s -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

Im saying this routine, as simple as it may be, is the core essentials you need. You could say "pfffft sounds like some shit they do in Navy SEAL BUD/s training". The only thing I probably should have included was: lunges and overhead press.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I'm not even sure how to approach your condescending manner as if most posters here don't already have elite physiques.

Firstly your whole concept of need makes no sense. People have varying goals. If your goal is to "be in shape" at age 40 then sure you can do a few body weight exercises and feel great. If you want advanced strength and definition you will need much, much more.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think what CalvinHobbs3s is saying is that he has experienced gains doing bodyweight-centric exercise. He's not trying to condescend, he's just sharing what he has found works for him.

[–]FunkyMonkeyAssassin2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This post is extremely hilarious. "Woops forgot the triger warning." Got me bellowing.

The article basically shows us that when the label 'Fitness' is stripped off, you find 'Survival' carved under it. I appreaciate this post for its raw-ness and its ability to throw common sense straight at the faces of its audience. It basically destroys the complexity of fitness and re-introduces the simplest (and most natural) way to train.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's wrong with mochafrappeachinnos and a nice 17 minute brisk elliptical workout? That's what all the chicks at my gym do

[–]Drenmar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't know about this lunk alarm shit. I have no words for this lol.

[–]situ139 3 points4 points  (13 children)

I've never really done any working put and right now I cant go to a gym. What are some ways to train in or around my house. I hate my physical appearance and want to change it.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Flip your fridge.

Then realize you are a dumbfuck that just flipped his fridge over and will have to put it back.

Then put it back. Or starve to death. Your call.

[–]RedSunBlue 5 points6 points  (0 children)

  1. Find a park with some kind of horizontal bar that you can hang from. Bonus points if it has a steep hill as well

  2. Pull-ups, push-ups, hill sprints

  3. Rinse and repeat

[–]Di-onysos 4 points5 points  (1 child)

There really is no substitute for lifting heavy shit.

Google convict conditioning. It's not as good as heavy weights but it can get you started

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you really not go to a gym? I find that hard to believe. Where there's a will there's a way

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Buy gymnastic rings for upper body. Look at /r/bodyweightfitness. Eat a lot. Work your way to shrimp squats and pistols. Sprint.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then do something about it! Don't be a Fitness Faggot. Get your ass to the gym, hire a personal trainer and start lifting!

[–]SgtBrutalisk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Buy a dumbbell and start working out when you got the time. Keep your lower back arched and don't overdo it. Remember that GLO is a fitness trainer so he has to be extreme to impress the customers. You can take it easy and have a good look while not fucking up your joints.

[–]ComradeCynic -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Build a rock garden. If you have a wood stove, chop wood. Otherwise, you can get in better shape with doing 100 pushups, 100 situps, 100 squats each day. Once that is routine for you, do a set in the morning and another at night. That will have you doing 1400 pushups a week.

[–]UlyssesElias 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Great posts and really great writing. You could do scriptwriting, bro!

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

The Triggering 2: 2 Swole 2 Control

[–]GayLordShitLord 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I recently got a hernia and may have to get surgery, do you think i can still lift lightly in the mean time?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im not a doctor and even if I was Dr. Lube Oil M.D, I would have to see you in person.

[–]sigmayogi 1 points1 points [recovered]

I don't eat meat, but consume a lot of whey. Just started lifting in last 2 months, 5 lbs of weight so far, all muscle.

The advice about killing yourself while lifting is true, casual approach doesn't work. It has to be to the point where you can't do a rep after your last set. Then cram protein in. Next day repeat.

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It has to be to the point where you can't do a rep after your last set.

Not unviersally true. Only go to failure like this on a 100% consistent basis if you're still in newb gains mode or you have sufficient recovery to back it up (e.g. caloric surplus, plenty of sleep). If you try this while on a cut, you have to reduce volume and keep weight high. You can easily outpace your recovery capacity doing this while cutting.

[–]sigmayogi 1 points1 points [recovered]

I am definitely newb mode right now. I've gone to about 8% bodyfat before in my 20's but without any conscious effort short of running twice a day and lifting 5 times a week. I'll keep your advice in mind, thanks!

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

those gains will come back fast man, good luck to you

[–]_torn 1 points1 points [recovered]

the sheiko source you linked is questionable...for one thing the guy misinterpreted this:

The workout began with deadlifts to the knees, an exercise that I'd never heard of, although the name is perfectly descriptive: You start the deadlift, stop at the knees, pause, then lower the bar to the floor.

should be paused at knee then complete the rest of the lift lol.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

His English is poor. Hes Russian

[–]zikkitzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Counter point to the vegan thing: Renee Somerfield. She's cut as fuck and vegan. HOWEVER, she chases low BMI, flexibility and cardio health. Men focusing on pure strength won't get great results on her diet. Best way to do that is a big ole meat cocktail 5 times a day. Point is unhealthy vegans are not the same as healthy vegans. It's possible. People just suck at it.

[–]Bignmybrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God dammit. I wanted to start a calisthenics program because I'm being fiscally responsible and blah blah use what you have. No. GLO says get to the gym and offer your blood to the iron gods.

[–]monzzter221 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I worked with a guy, jacked as fuck, I'm not talking lean cut, I'm talking fucking huge, cool as shit, one day he mentioned for some reason or another that he was a... wait for it... Vegetarian.

I was like how the fuck are you so big. He said you have to eat the right way, not the way vegetarians all over do it where they just cut meat out of their diet, but you have to reassemble your diet from the ground up and find high protein sources. Said he had been a vegetarian for 15 years. What. The. Fuck.

Now, I wouldn't do it, its not very intuitive, but just letting you know, if you really really are determined to, you can be a vegetarian and still grow. To me its more hassle than its worth though considering you have a food source readily available to you that helps you avoid all that bullshit.

[–]Killigraphy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That and Creatine, HGH,etc are non meat products :}

[–]1234321z 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Humans are omnivores- in a culture with an over flux of red meat propagating people to eat vegetables would more advantageous.

In a nutritional standpoint- the consensus of eating plant based proteins makes sense because the majority of their clients are fat women who need assistance losing or maintain weight.

Throughout nature it is evident of herbivores living a longer life span than carnivores. The addition of hormones, synthetic pesticides (via consumption of farm wheat) accumulated in meat im; proteins from plants are superior to meat.

Meat from animals are often high in cholesterol, saturated fat and protein. Saturated fats clog arteries and veins and high levels of cholesterol are often related to high blood pressure and there is little scientific evidence suggesting high protein diet being beneficial to building body mass.

reference? I study medicine.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The sheer level of autism in the medical community is stagering. Take kids who have been locked up in the library for 8 years and have them deal with the real world you are going to have a bad time.

In general doctors answer questions like their taking a quiz elevated creatinine = Kidney Failure. Meat = heart attack. Many (such as yourself) fail to see the unstated variables.

The average TRP reader is Around six feet 170 pounds 22 white middle class and moderately active. They are not a heart attack risk. Adding two pounds of meat into their diet isnt going to kill them. More likely than not the extra calories and nutrients will get them up to 185 pounds in about 6 to 8 months natty.

As for sources I've cited Ric Draisin who at 70 years old is still more muscular than you and has a solid fifty years of experience on the subject.

[–]1234321z 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Eating meat in excessive portions is unhealthy.Eating two pounds of meat is fine. You think you know more than someone who has dedicated their life towards studying human health? You think you know more than doctors? Hey in fact next time you go to a doctor's appointment I'll make sure he fucks you up.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Post pics and everyone will immediately know who is better at gaining muscle and whose diet works the best

[–]jorge1213 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't know you, but I want to lift with you. I recently lifted 1503 @ 205lb and my problem is nobody else in my gym is on my level enough to motivate me. I often get warned for deadlifting, and it's annoying.

Currently on day two of Smolov and want to die, but need to better my squat. I'm trying to polish off the two deer in my freezer asap.

My thoughts and comments are very scattered and make no sense because my legs are THAT sore as I write this...

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Too much pseudo-masculine bullshit. I workout (grapple) with a "faggot" MMA fighter who might re-define bad-ass for you. Grow up!

[–]Redpillthriller -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I hate this whole "fitness" industry and the sloots that jumped on the instagram bandwagon for validation.

The best works I've ever done were in my shed with some rusty ass 30 year old weights, followed by a fat ass steak.

[–]jolly--roger 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Has anyone here a protip/experience on elbow pain?

I've had some problems with the ulnar nerve in the left arm a couple months back, didn't lift for some time. Took some anti-paraesthesia medication, EMG doc cleared me (no permanent damage, advised against medication), and for the most part, it's okay.

However when pushing my (particularly) triceps to new heights, I get a feeling like my elbows are going to explode, once my left elbow essentially gave up on me (lat pulldown, correct form, just couldn't handle the pressure).

No damage from that but it still bugs me. Painkiller gels don't really help, damaging my arm is not an option of course, but not lifting more isn't either. Thanks in advance;;

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Just want to say be careful of underrecovery from lifting. The harder you hit the gym, the more time you need off. You can hit your whole body 3 times a week on something like 5x5 or 531 because you don't grind and train to failure, but if you're 'pushing it to the limit' you need longer rest periods. Or steroids.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

High meat diet will help alot with recovery more so than steroids. Also naps help alot. I personally alternate between heavy stress days and medium/light pumping isolation days.

[–]chuckthundercock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Follow me on twitter, you self promoting fuck... I love your shit and I do follow you. Keep up the great posts and keeping the community honest.

[–]RICCIedm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very funny as GLO always is, but I think this is terrible advice. No facts, no useful information.

Kai Greene's video documentaries to people who think working out is all about yelling and competing 'who lifts more weights' edit: forgot to post link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1pjY1mDAa8

[–]pilledwillingly -1 points0 points  (9 children)

The long distance runner in me wants to say 'fitness means different things to different people' but I'd already bookmarked this under 'motivation' so I'd be a hypocrite if I did. Good article.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

According to Ritch Piana personal branch of science Pianology: Having a flight reflex is beta as fuck

[–]juanqunt 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How can you recommend Sheiko and Piana at the same time? Sheiko is for people who want to get perfect form and become as badass and strong as possible, while Piana is just a synthol/implant freak who doesn't even lift heavy.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The fitness demographic is very broad. Sheiko is a product of the Soviet Academy of Science and is time tested and proven. Ritch Piana has 25 years of pharmacology under his belt and is a great resource in that regard.

[–]juanqunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, you also mentioned the Anabolics book, which is a great resource. Piana simply tells too many half truths and half lies to be a trustworthy resource. He's not any better than any other big guys on various forums who all have their own broscience thoughts, some of which work and some of which don't.

[–]pilledwillingly -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Big arms does not a role model make.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

His supplement line is doing very well. Ritch is a successful entrepreneur.

[–]pilledwillingly -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I'm sure he is, but if I'm looking for meathead motivation, I'll take CT Fletcher over this guy any day of the week.

[–]juanqunt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

CT is the man. True strength and hardcore attitude. He was actually a powerlifting champion and one of the strongest men ever. Piana is complete liar faggot with no real muscles, only implants and synthol.

I'd never mess with CT in real life, but I bet Piana shows his cowardly nature if someone pushes him hard enough.

[–]meet_me_at_high_noon -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I do think fitness means different things to different people. I don't enjoy lifting. I enjoy running. Anyone who's ever done yasso 800s in 90 degree weather or 20 miles on a hilly backroad on a saturday morning knows that running is definitely painful and sacrificial. I love it man.

[–]alpinehighest -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Bro, keep up the good work

People are alot more respectful and agreeable when your 215 then when you are 160.

that is a fact, just like when your stare at a lion on the serengeti same shit

if your butt hurt by this, oh well, the gym is your practice ground for the trials that life will throw at you...

[–]sabinmightyfist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely incredible post.

[–]Goldfulgore -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Great post. Especially now that so many people are joining the gym to get a body for the summer. (Too late fags)

I have tried PHAT for 6 months and didn't work out for me. I don't use needles so in order to get hypertrophy, I need more volume and less reps.

Edit: My brother introduced me a while back to a colleague of his. He was pale and weak looking. I asked my brother "Is he anemic or has some kind of illness?". "No" he said. "He is a vegan". We both laughed our asses off as we realized that you can tell them apart.

[–]thetrenmademedoit 0 points0 points [recovered]

/r/steroids for all ass-needle information

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

check out the resource I linked on that subject. Dr. William Llewellyn is a more reliable source of information than reddits academy of bro scientists.

[–]SquatBenchDeadlift 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Llewellyn is God over at /r/steroids I think you'll find their's plenty of knowledgeable guys there

[–]1London-Bananas -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Kind of looking for some advice here: I lifted for about a year, and then started boxing additionally. After about 6 months I realized how boring I actually found lifting and started boxing more and stopped lifting. I really really enjoy boxing.

Since I stopped lifting, my physique has obviously stalled. Boxing is very good for your overall fitness and maintains your physique, but it doesn't make you huge.

Recently I've been playing with the thought of staring lifting additionally. Would this be too much for my body (3x boxing, 1x running, 2x lifting a week)? I'm concerned I might not get enough rest and generally get stressed from having less time.

[–]Heliophobe -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Cardio kills any gains you'd hope to achieve. If you're trying to build you need to eat a fuck ton and lift a fuck ton.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Depending how intense your boxing regimen is, no, that shouldn't be excessive. Most dudes at the gym are there 5 times a week.

If you're older (40+), you may need to scale down. Also, be mindful not to hit a calorie wall, make sure you're taking in enough to sustain your endurance workouts.

[–]ChadThundercockII -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I boxe three days a week with running and HIIT and all kinds of work between sessions. My advice is : don't do it if you aren't going to compete or at least do proper stretching and massage.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A couple of times a week you have to fuck yourself up to such a high degree that you don't know where you are, what your name is or if you are a feminist.

Been a while since I laughed at a Reddit post

[–]Poldonis -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This needs to be made into an moc-infomertial

[–]johnyann -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Everybody wants to get big, but no one wants to lift these heavy-ass weights.

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[–]Star_Boy_Mike -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Squats are only as risky as one is incompetent. Shying away from something because of fear isn't the best route for anything.

[–]B_uckets 1 points1 points [recovered]

Squats are only as risky as one is incompetent

Couldn't be further from the truth.

Shying away from something because of fear isn't the best route for anything.

It has nothing to do with fear, it's a cost/benefit analysis. Stupidity is never the best route either.

[–]Star_Boy_Mike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That post doesn't counter my point. Many people lack quality squatting mobility and proper squatting form knowledge, but these things can be remedied. Though I admit it is possible to have physical ailments that can completely remove the ability to squat safely, and this has nothing to do with competence, but that's true for any exercise. I also admit my response may be off point, since squatting may not be vital to someone solely interested in looking good.

You're not gonna look very good if you're out of the gym for months with a herniated disc.

What about being out of the gym because of a torn pec or elbow tendonitis? Movements don't cause injuries, improper form and unwise over reaching does.

[–]isterling -1 points0 points  (0 children)

More blood for the blood god!

[–]keemar -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

best shit ive read in all of reddit. Thanks GLO. Im gonna kill something or someone at the gym today.

[–]Daisy_DukeNukem -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Looks like solid advice! Take the rest when you need the rest, and go hard at the gym, It's that simple. I need to find a good gym buddy though. :\

Also, if one more person decides that I'm not allowed to do the straight bar after my squats, I'm going to go all planet fitness roid dude and make them go fuck themselves.

[–]BannedAlpha -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

For me, eating cruelty free is an ethical choice more than a nutritional choice.

It is very easy and cheap for me to buy some b12 supplements or get 100-200g / protein per day, making most of your criticisms of non-meat diets a non issue for me.

[–]Trail_of_Jeers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's OK, I'll extra-cruelty meat to balance things out.

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me, eating cruelty free is an ethical choice more than a nutritional choice.

Clearly, you do not get what this group is about.

After viewing your history in this group (not just this comment), I am issuing a 30 day ban for violation of the following rules:

  • Argues in bad faith (Argues without the intent of examining opposing theories to arrive at truth.)

Includes, but not limited to, postmodern discourse, ad hominem, pissing contests, alleging moral imperatives which cannot be deduced from empirical observation, deliberately (not accidentally) introducing logical fallacies, lying about the existence or nature of evidence for a hypothesis.

  • Disingenuous Speech

Concern trolling (attempts to dilute discourse under the guise of friendly concern for public image), white-knighting (taking the side of a woman in a dispute or debate on account of her sex rather than the individual circumstances), bro-knighting (attempting to shame men out of self-interested behaviour by falsely implying they have non-reciprocal moral obligations to male strangers), using any technique from the The Catalogue of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics[2] for any other purpose than to help the audience overcome obstacles to happiness and success.

TRP is not the place for asserting ethical imperatives, especially not non-reciprocal moral obligations.

If you don't understand why, then you need to lurk more.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

If you think that all amino acids are created equal than you are retarded. Meat isnt just about getting b12 its about getting enough vitamins especially iron. Also if you think absorption of supplements is anywhere near that of real food you are also retarded. Finally if you belive the labels on protein powder you'r retarded cuz thay shit isnt FDA approved. Basically you are retarded probably because of a vegan nutrient deficiency.

[–]dubpluris 1 points1 points [recovered]

So this dude is smarter when it comes to nutrition than anyone in here. Most definitely stronger too. And lo and behold, he has a different opinion. Just goes to show being loud doesn't equate to anything, really.

http://blog.chaosandpain.com/trevor-kashey-beardo-nerd-strongman-and-bodybuilder/

It doesn’t have to be meat. Heck, on some days I get well over 150 g protein from (non-soy) plant sources (Nuts/Graints etc). These are NOT insignificant amounts. Just because the general fitness community does not count these foods as protein sources does not mean they don’t contain protein and that your body cannot utilize it (for muscle building OR energy). There seems to be a bastardization of the diabetic exchange used by most these days. 1000’s of calories are unaccounted for in some cases. As your carbohydrate intake increases, the need for protein (as an energy source) decreases. So I believe there is a happy medium between eating protein for maximizing anabolic capacity and consuming carbohydrate to prevent protein from being oxidized as energy and used for anabolic processes.

People can argue the “completeness” of protein all they’d like. It still contains calories, and just because there might a shortage of lysine or cysteine in a particular non-meat protein doesn’t mean the metabolic capabilities are FUBAR. It’s not like the body says “Hey! There is no methionine in there, shit this out undigested!”. Furthermore, a person may gain precious few GRAMS of muscle mass per workout MAYBE (per week more likely). Scarfing an extra 200g protein (daily) will hardly result in a dramatic increase in (lean) mass gain. People hit the asymptote of maximizing anabolic capacity (via protein intake) at a much lower amount than they think. The extra protein will just be used for purposes of general metabolic expenditure, in which case I don’t believe including carbohydrate instead of extra protein would hurt you. I don’t honestly think I’d be bursting through an xxxl shirt (at this bodyfat) if I ate more meat. I am confident I get enough essential amino acids (and more importantly BCAA) from the food choices I make to maximize my anabolic capacity. I’ve attached a more recent picture of me supporting 222 lbs on what some (and by some I mean A TON) people would calculate as around 110 grams of protein daily (meat/dairy sources only).

There are times I eat massive amounts of meat, but this is because I am HUNGRY, NOT because I want to add more muscle mass. I’ll just make isocaloric adjustments as necessary.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What you fucking reddit theoretical masturbators will never understand is that the average person is absolute shit at implementation. Yes you can gain muscle mass on a vegan diet by eating seven kinds of berries nuts and legumes. But the average 21 year old red piller is never going to do that shit. So its easier and much more realistic for me to tell him to eat more steak every week because it will actually get implemented.

Meat is nutrients rich and caloricaly dense and for the 160 pound college bros who make up my demo more meat is the easiest and simplest way to add protien and calories.

[–]wooojinator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And then, deep within the buried and hidden, nested comments, OP copped to his own game. He was bested, and he knew it.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm fat and I lift. I have callouses on my hands, but can't do DL's but can do squats so I'm good there. I like to get advice on how to lift from the ripped elders at the gym. I've learned a lot from them on form and tips on how to increase bench. Most fags are too proud to ask but if I see some strong older or just strong nigga repping heavy ass weights I ask for advice on how to do that. I rather ask them and google shit, but because they have advice you can only gain from years of experience, I ask people and then look it up. We are all going to make it, these animals I ate haven't died in vein. Vegans could choke on a cuke

[–]Washedupoaf -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm glad somebody else thinks this way too. Like getting big isn't at all fucking hard. If you aren't growing and you wanna be, eat more good food. If you aren't getting bigger and you wanna be, pick up progressively heavier shit. It ain't rocket science boys, just blood, sweat, tears, and lots of dead animal flesh.

[–]SgtBrutalisk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your joints will hate you for this. Though, you can't hustle them into compliance.

[–]TheQuickAndTheRed -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I came here for the title, stayed for the content.

[–]jakethesnake76 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i guess i go to the gym at the wrong time i miss all this silliness unless it's a women and effeminate man thingy and i just not there at the right(wrong ) time to see it..Plus we don't have a starbucks anywhere close by, just black coffee at the easymart.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8RcDb_wZfQ Anti roid rage video

[–]williesmokes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That youtube link of the guy in planet fitness made my day

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

According to research, the paleolithic man's diet consisted of around 70% animal flesh. Compare that to your past 3 meals.

I started on the paleo diet long before I found TRP, and lost 15lbs of chub sitting on my ass (I work a desk job). Did not limit my food intake, just made animal flesh my primary source of food. Now that I've started to lift my beer gut is completely gone and I'm starting to bulk up.

Usually I think all these "fad diets" are full of shit and pseudoscience (Gary Taubes is a aerospace engineer writing books on nutrition... seriously?), but what sold me on paleo is the theory behind it. Man simply hasn't evolved to eat 90% of what we find on menus today, but a lot of people do anyway, which is IMHO the main reason why there are so many hambeasts around.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lot of good stuff in this thread. Freaking love PHAT.

Probably wouldn't recommend Smolov to the majority of people reading this post though. You already need to be benching/squatting pretty high weight to consider it. Also, not that hypertrophy is non-existent on the program, but the scales are tipped almost entirely towards strength, when most people's goals are hypertrophy related here.

Edit: Took out lack of hypertrophy stuff. Should've googled it first to make sure.

[–]sanglupus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

20 rep squats? :(

shudder

[–]antariusz -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

Just bought some 10-90lb adjustable dumbbells from bowflex yesterday in fact, because 50lb hex dumbbells are fucking expensive ANYWAY and I didn't want to get anymore sets than I already had (8?).

Just thought it was funny that you're making fun of a company that specifically attempts to make money by making people stronger and healthier.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

A barbell and plates will get a man much further than a bowflex.

[–]antariusz -1 points0 points  (1 child)

When I get to the point that I can dumbbell bench press 180lbs, I will be happy.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Squat and deadlift are more important than bench