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Blue Pill ExampleA Warning from the Child of a "SJW"! (self.TheRedPill)

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Going to give my exceedingly relevant and personal story here. Serves as rather undeniable evidence of the truths of TRP. For those who don't know, this is, at its core, a re-post of a comment I made earlier, with some additional details.


My mother was a low-SMV extreme feminazi SJW, a racist (while maintaing the SJW status), and flat out insane. Regardless, she had a very comfortable job as an airline pilot making over $200,000 a year. My father, on the other hand, was your typical intellectual BetaBux nice guy. He followed the typical path: he got married and had kids not too long after my mother had hit the wall (it was, after all, her second marriage).

Fast forward several years to when I'm 15 years old and my parents finally got divorced (my dad was no longer of use to her, only making around $80,000 a year for an engineering job). Naturally, everything worked out to her favor: she got the kids (my sister and I), the big beautiful house, $1000 monthly child support, $1000 monthly alimony, and nearly everything else we owned, leaving my dad in a 1 bedroom apartment with barely enough income to pay her. All this was going on while my mother was making more than TWICE what my father was.

Sounds like she got the sweet end of the stick, huh?

Well with woman, enough is never enough! She would insist on getting payments to help with groceries, have him do maintenance on the house, and not grant him his right to visitation.

Not to mention she was an abusive mother, leaving my sister on the brink of suicide (mostly by hypocritically insulting her weight), and myself spiraling into addictions left and right.

Eventually, I got fed up with all the nonsense. She'd be constantly preaching her SJW and feminazi BS, and if I dared to criticize it (I had yet to discover TRP, but I still had a sense of reality), or express myself in any way, she would unleash quite the tirade.

I had enough. One night, around 1:00 AM, I convinced my Dad to bring the car over and I packed up what belongings I could and took off with my sister.

After we had left, my mother still demanded her monthly child support (probably so she could continue her binge shopping). My sister was 18, so she was left out of it, but I was 16, so everything became about me. I got myself an ad litem, my father got a lawyer, and, both being done with all the fucking shit, we went to war. After a long struggle, we were finally able to turn the tide for child support, and alimony got canceled out (in that both parents are paying alimony of 1000$ to each other.)

It's been 9 months since I left her, and about 6 months since I've seen her. Just last week, I got the message that she was done and wanted nothing to do with me (VICTORY!) There is still a long struggle ahead of us, such as the bulk of my father and I's belongings still remaining in my mother's possession, and dealing with the psychological effects of abuse. However, at the end of the day, I have become a better person from it all. I discovered TRP, started working out, began reading more, became the top mathematics student at my school, and put great focus on general self improvement. Unfortunately, despite how cruel my mother was, my sister too has become a feminist SJW who thinks the world should love her "just because". It's sad, but AWALT is a fact.

Strangely, I'm glad things turned out the way they did. From this, I've become a stronger person. It also serves as undeniable evidence for the truths of TRP, which became another powerful tool in my life.

Thanks for making it through my lengthy word vomit. I hope there was something for you guys to get out of this.


TL;DR: Fuck you. I spent the time to write it, you spend the time to read it.


EDIT: I just wanted to thank everyone for the support, although unneeded, it is greatly appreciated.

There have been a lot of complaint and a lot of praise regarding the TL;DR. Some good points were brought up, but it was nothing more than a way to lighten the mood, and I don't think it should be the focus of the discussion here.

Some people here doubt the legitimacy of my story because my mother was an airline pilot. I assure you, there are many women in the industry. There has also been some doubt of my mothers pay check. Bare in mind, she began her career at a very young age, and has been in the industry for a very long time now (began in her teens, she's now in her fifties), and works for a major airline. This can all be confirmed with a quick google search.

In addition, people have been asking about how my mother got such a good deal. This was a comment I made below in regards to how she got the house, child support, and alimony:

The House: Well, leading up to the divorce, my mother had convinced my father that he was the scum of the earth and the fault of all the dysfunction of the family (this was of course, over a very long period of time. Several years.) After the divorce, he was kicked out of the house, and being as depressed as I'm sure he was, he just went with it and got a shitty apartment. Regardless, the house probably would have been to expensive/time consuming for my father to maintain.

Child support: She used the "fairness excuse" of "we should both be paying an equal amount for the kids". Which, to the intellectual beta, makes sense. Also, my dad assumed it was the norm of the guy to pay child support. It's (disgustingly) what social convention dictates. Throw in the guilt card (remember, he thinks this is all his fault) and you've got your signature.

The alimony: She tricked him into agreeing to the alimony. In short, she told him that it would make sense to do half the child support (which she managed to convince everyone should be $2000 per month, considering I attend a private school) as alimony, because it's a tax write off (which it is).

I'm definitely oversimplifying things, but that's the general idea.

I also would like to point out that many users have either commented below, or PM'd me stating how they had nearly identical stories. This is not some freak event. This kind of stuff happens all the time.

Also, /r/raisedbynarcissists has been mentioned at least three times now, and is a great resource to any one who is going through a similar situation.


[–]BannedBandit 41 points42 points  (4 children)

How is it possible for her to get alimony when she's the one making MORE FUCKING MONEY?

How is the court really that sexist?

[–]YadaYadaYada2 22 points23 points  (0 children)

There are about 3,000 county Family Courts in the USA - each with varying degrees of bias against men.

On Monday through Wednesday between 9am and 11am, go, sit, and listen. It's free.

If you have the nerve approach a divorcing dad in the hallway and ask, "How's it going?"

[–]Hitlers_Boss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It seems that OPs dad didnt want to fight it out in court too long, and probably caved to her demands. Otherwise, 100k and 2 years later, he might have gotten a better deal.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 172 points173 points  (22 children)

Take strength from knowing you can now better discern bullshit from reality. Do not hate women, though. Hate the laws put in place to enable the worst behaviour.

[–]sorendjierkinhaard 110 points111 points  (8 children)

and don't, for the love of god, get married.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 23 points24 points  (5 children)

Fucking eh. If anyone doubts this, read my history on here.

[–]Code_Bordeauxx 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fuck, and if you don't doubt it, do it anyway.

[–]Coffee_Lad 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Yep, saw that post earlier today, pretty sure any delusions I had of a happy marriage died today.

Side note: someone get this legend a metal and a fucking beer, as a start anyway.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No thanks, got my medals in 1991. I'm no legend, I simply got fucked over.

[–]Windforce 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I couldn't find it, could you link it please.

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points  (0 children)

If there's one thing I've learned, it is that. Didn't need TRP to figure that one out.

[–]Razgriz16 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I would say don't fight hate though. Recognize your hate and let it happen. Anger is natural and I think stage 1 of trp. What's important is to find the root of your anger and solve it, because anger and hate are not the endgame of trp, but a mere phase of passing. Let people naturally find their way through hate, because fighting it will only create more hate.

[–]Futdashukup 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Philip Larkin - This Be The Verse

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.

They may not mean to, but they do.

They fill you with the faults they had

And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn

By fools in old-style hats and coats,

Who half the time were soppy-stern

And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.

It deepens like a coastal shelf.

Get out as early as you can,

And don't have any kids yourself

[–]porkmaster 13 points14 points  (3 children)

just because laws enable it, no one is making them do it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Which shows how the ones doing it are horrible and childish. Nobody is making them do it, but since there's no consequences, they want to

[–]Pornography_saves_li 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thus, you can judge them by their actions.

[–]bluedrygrass 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Do not hate women, though. Hate the laws put in place to enable the worst behaviour.

Beta enabling.

"Don't hate serial killers, pedophiles, rapers, psychopats. Hate that nobody helps and understands them. Hate that they're enabled to the worst behaviour."

No, fuck that hamstering.

People are responsible and accountable of their actions, otherwise they belong to asylums and prisons.

To be a female is no excuse to be a shithole.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The existence of injustice does not justify hate, it justifies anger. There is a difference.

[–]1User-31f64a4e 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hate the specific women, and hate the laws.
Don't hate the entire gender sex.

EDIT: Sex, not gender. Sex is biology, gender is nonsense. The indoctrination runs deep ...

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Hate the laws put in place to enable the worst behaviour.

The laws enacted by politicians by pandering to the 55% female voting majority?

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Stop looking for reasons to hate, and you will find fewer of them. Yes, women in general are responsible, as are many men. But the real source of our problems is political. The PTB have manipulated women, not the other way round.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The PTB have manipulated women, not the other way round.

I really don't think so. I don't think this was some grand master plan.

I think this is just the combination of success and secularism rearing it's head yet again as it has several times in history. Societies get successful and then get stupid. They start thinking in ways so foreign from what made them successful and think that things other than what got them there are what's important.

And then they collapse, because playing jenga as a civilization just isn't a smart game. You don't replace the bedrock which built you with other-shaped blocks and expect that everything on top of it is going to stay stable.

Successful civilizations, like human life, is transitory. Too much success carries too many unfit people, and that mass eventually tears the system down.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would buy that argument if there werent so many 'authority figures' so obviously buying their own bullshit. Well, that and i actually had to read Gramsci, Muybridge, and Bernays in university, and can see quite clearly how what is happening exactlyparallels their writings.

[–]fhghg 134 points135 points  (25 children)

I'm an airline pilot. These women pilots really are fucking psycho by the time they're 40. It's like they're the worst qualities of both men and women combined. They are macho. Complain about their divorce. Act tough like men and then expect to be pampered and at the center of attention. And then we kiss their ass and give them scholarships and jobs cause OMG women are AMAZING cause they can fly, just like men. I actually haven't made 200k yet. My average over the past 11 years was probably 75k, but then I worked for a regional and not a major. Had my apps in for years, but I'm not black or female. Then I got smart and went to a WOMEN IN AVIATION conference and finally there was able to be hired at a higher paying job. Ask any regional pilot if they've been to the WIA (women in aviation international) conference looking for a better flying job. All will have heard of it. But anyway, that's the state of things. These bitches get the 200k seniority based union job handed to them when they're 25-30 years old and the dudes have to wait until they're 35-40. I know a lot of dudes, myself included, who will finish the rest of our careers below these chicks on the seniority list. They'll make more money and have better schedules because they're women and got hired young in a system where seniority rules. I am very lucky to have a great career.... but I gruarantee I would have had it 10 years earlier being female. I now can't wait to cross an ALPA picket line and scab flying two middle fingers at these hags who queue jumped seniority with their pussies. BTW, fuck your mother.

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (17 children)

This was actually fascinating to hear. I've never had the opportunity to speak to a male airline pilot. She'd always go on ranting about how "she conquered adversity in her career, and is still at such a disadvantage today due to all the sexism in the industry." I'd love to here more about what you do (my mothers view was distorted I'm sure) and your perspectives on gender in the airline industry.

[–]fhghg 38 points39 points  (16 children)

I flew a Dash 8 turboprop for a few months and then went to a regional carrier and flew an EMB-145 for almost 11 years. I now work at a cargo outfit that flies heavies everywhere but Antarctica and it's great. My goal was a major passenger airline but this mostly cargo operation has changed my perspective enough that I'm not really as interested in the majors. This freight hauling is a lot more fun and the destinations are more diverse. I'll make a little less over the course of a career but this industry (both freight and passenger) is so boom/bust that it's possible this prediction is wrong. It would suck to go to a lessor job for more money and then get fucked money-wise. I've pulled my apps at Delta, etc and I'll only reapply when this stuff gets old. But I used to be really frustrated. Regional are not career airlines. They're not set up that way. Starting pay is 20k and a 10 year captain makes 80k. I was lucky enough to score some good side jobs at the regional and make 130k my last year. This was basically working two jobs both instructing and flying. No life. I'm not complaining. This was a great job, the best I'd ever had. I finally could spend and save and I even bought an investment house that now has renters in it. But I was exhausted and I saw guys at the majors getting the same pay for half the work. For the past few years I've been trying to get a job at any one of them. Delta, American, United, FedEx, UPS. These jobs have much better pay and benefits. It's literally double the pay of a regional. I realize I'm talking to a wide audience here. Some of you make 20k and some make 20m. I'll sound spoiled to some and petty to others, and I'm aware of that. The simple fact is, I wasn't happy being on the bottom end of an economic dichotomy in the industry. It was extremely frustrating to see woman after woman leave the regional for the majors I wanted, to see them jump the queue in seniority. I'm a white male. In 2010 the majors used to go to a job fair called FAPA. They typically don't anymore. Now they only show up at WIA (women), OBAP (black), and NGPA (gay) association conventions. So if I wanted face time with a recruiter I was going to women and black conventions... and I'm neither. I have not been to an NGPA convention yet but I probably should since I'm not gay either. I applied for an OBAP scholarship but I didn't win. I did notice that all the winners were black and a few were female, which is probably more than coincidence. The WAI winners are all female, of course. But I'm a privileged white dude here so I won't complain about that. It was a WAI conference that netted my current and possibly final flying job. I'm not angry or frustrated anymore. I'm happy. But I remeber how it felt. I still see what I consider a great social and economic injustice against men. As professional pilots we are all very blessed. We have great jobs and, if not good pay, good earning potential. We love what we do too, and that's the best thing in life. But there is still an injustice in the hiring practices, and when I think about it I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel a tad bitter. Hillary 2016 ;)

[–]fhghg 38 points39 points  (9 children)

Specific examples. At my regional we had a few newhire classes of roughly half women and then finally one completely full of women. No men. The hiring manager was actually fired over this since such blatant sexism clearly put the company at risk. A class of 16 men in a 10% female industry might happen every once in a while but it never did. There were always at least 2 to 4 women in a class.

The majors hired a bunch of female first officers from my regional and passed up more experienced male captains. Some of the haggard fat women were passed up too. Women, if you're reading this, get on a treadmill because it will do wonders for your career. But the young sexy girls got hired. Worst offender is United hiring the female FOs. Delta only hires captains from regionals, at least, but word on the street is they recently had a class with a disproportionate number of females. I saw females leave my old regional for the majors at a faster rate than the men. It's like they were more than twice as likely to be hired. I couldn't even get an interview with more experience, a higher GPA, a good aviation school degree, summa cum laude, several academic and employer awards, being an instructor at a regional, and being quite handsome. Nada, after years of trying, networking, and volunteering. These females with half the time in the industry and a resume that has to be in 13 point font to fill a page got hired while I couldn't get an interview. That is sexism.

[–]alphbux 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Oh man in Australia the main carrier drastically reduced their required total time for women.

Men call this the furry log book.

Just in case furry log book doesn't make sense, in Australia we use the term "furry wallet". It basically means vagina purse/wallet used to have someone else pay for something just because you have a vagina.

[–]floor-pi 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What do you think the reason for all of this is? Women better in interview? Better at networking? Males doing the hiring? Gender equality agendas? I mean, given that it was probably a male dominated industry 10 years ago...why wasn't it happening then?

It's fascinating that this is happening in aviation though, because it's also happening in STEM in my experience. Intel and so on are pushing for 50% female on staff, even though males outnumber females in education for these fields...so you have the great unwashed masses of male leftovers working the STEM "regionals" I suppose.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Gender equality agendas. Period. In spite of the accusations to the contrary, corporations will bend over backwards to hire female and minority candidates to avoid class action law suits and political harrassment.

[–]fhghg 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Other comments answer the question, but I'd like to touch on women interviewing better. Women DO interview better because the standard is quite feminine. I've seen posts on here stating that to crush a job interview you must be alpha, that job interviews are basically a shit test from the company. It's true, a man interviews best when he displays alpha traits. But that's not the gold standard in the interview. Let's do a thought experiment. Suppose General Petraeus, Norman Schwarzkopf, Teddy Rosevelt, or George Patton were subjected to the typical HR interview. These guys are metal as fuck, good communicators, great leaders, etc. They'd pass, but probably not crush it. The real standard in many HR interviews seems to be one's ability to be bubbly and gay. Technical standards, experience requirements, logbook review, judgement, knowledge, tact, etc have been all but deprecated from the selection process. They go through the motions but it's obvious that's all they're doing. The new black with HR is a girly bubbly demeanor. I think it's related to the gay acceptance turned celebration trend where it is now acceptable if not encouraged for a man to affirmatively act out in traditionally feminine ways. So to finish my thought experiment, imagine one if these aforementioned leaders sitting down with Julie, her senior manager Anne, and Steven from HR. If he can make Julie wet while not offending Anne and keeping Steven interested then he's hired. These dudes would pull it off but not in their press-brief or leadership frame. The best option, assuming the man isn't naturally bubbly, would probably be a Rosevelt fireside chat frame which is in many ways a much more difficult frame to master. Women just do what they always do and they're hired.

[–]floor-pi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This fits with my experience. All women I know walk through interviews. To the extent that none of them can grasp the concept of unemployment. I can't hold it against them though, because they're all excellent conversationalists, and it's a skill that i'd love to have. Unfortunately, being an excellent conversationalist isn't any determinant of suitability.

Interviews are generally very subpar as methods of hiring suitable people.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know about aviation specifically, but I have some insight into STEM and businesses in general. Large corporations get sued like we breathe air. Most have large staffs of lawyers whose only job is to minimize the damage. These companies live in terror of being accused of sexism or racism, since the mere public accusation could embolden former employees to file a lawsuit. It's like chum in the water; it attracts the sharks.

Intel, in particular, has been schizophrenic since GamerGate. Now they have two competing public shitstorms to contend with and they're trying to appease everybody.

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[–]mystikcal1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Reading for the insider information? Or actually just interested in concepts/ideas here? Just curious

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (2 children)

As long as you're not on Kalitta, cargo rocks. I was an AF port dawg, 60k driver, load team leader. May your loadmaster never be drunk, rolling stock always be secure, and that last pallet lock stay upright. The evergreen a few years back was rough, thankful I didn't plan or load it.

[–]Hitleronormative 3 points3 points [recovered]

By "evergreen", are you referring to the crash caught on dashcam in Afghanistan?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sadly yeah. Looked like a tiedown failure to me.

[–]randompants123 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Im curious, why not say you are gay to get the affirmative action benifit. It's not like they are going to have to verify it.

[–]fhghg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's no affirmative action benefit that I know of. This isn't a legal problem, it's a networking/social/corporate-culture problem. NGPA just had a conference and recruiters from majors attended. I could go, just like I went to WAI and OPAB. In short the three primary recruiting gatherings have become 1. Woman, 2. Black, 3. Gay.

[–]aviate650 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Airline pilot here too, flying the dash. This is 100% spot on. Female and minority pilots get a huge jump start and short cut in this career over white males. I know of one female pilot who has hired at a regional, spent 1 week out of training on IOE and then got hired by American. What a joke.

Don't let this shit make you become a scab though, there's no justifying it when they only make up roughly 5% of the industry. Your brothers will hang you.

[–]bluedrygrass 5 points6 points  (1 child)

These women pilots really are fucking psycho by the time they're 40. It's like they're the worst qualities of both men and women combined.

It's always like that. The most "highly functional" females are always the worst ones.

Female scientists, drivers, fighters, athletes or intellectual of all sorts. Most of them are incredibly fucked up. It's like they have excessive hormones and they don't fit in their lives or something.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let's not get carried away guys. Yes AWALT, but I personally know a couple high end females (smart, good looking, driven) who arent "all sorts fucked up."

They aren't unicorns but they are higher quality, even compared to many guys. But yes I've seen the fucked up ones at the top the achievement ladder as well.

[–]frown_clown 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Couldn't a male pilot sue the airline for discrimination?

If a female pilot was less experienced and less qualified than her male counterparts, was hired and crashed a plane could relatives of the victims sue the airline for not hiring the best candidate?

[–]fhghg 1 point2 points  (2 children)

We are all qualified, technically, by the FAA.

[–]frown_clown 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Answers my second question thoroughly.

What about the first question?

[–]fhghg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They can sue but since every candidate must pass the airline's checkout the airline's flight standards and training department would come under fire first. I could hire a potato and it would never crash an airplane because it wouldn't pass the check ride. The airline is defiantly at fault but hiring is a layer removed. This is why HR has been able to take over so completely recently. Hire them if they're bubbly and don't look too bad on paper and see if they're trainable. If they are and they crash, and it's a training problem, then training and not hiring is faulty.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 78 points79 points  (1 child)

The Red Pill is the blowback from feminism. Without experiences like your we wouldnt exist.

[–]YadaYadaYada2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With the internet Red Pills can share the obvious, as White Nights are many and Feminists ride wave of social preference.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (10 children)

Mom's love the guilt trips. They never end. I finally had enough of my mom's shit in that area and let her know I'm too old for that...they don't work on me anymore.

Stay strong and don't let her emotionally manipulate you into feeling sorry for her whereby you'll feel obligated to be back doing things for her. You have done nothing wrong. Stay the course. Make her break and see the error of her ways...if that's even possible.

Classic female manipulation. If it isn't the men in their lives they're running game on, it's their own kids with their guilt trips.

Congrats on getting out of a shitty situation and improving yourself. That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (9 children)

I take it you've been down that road?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Not so extreme as yours seems to be though. Parents did divorce and both my sister and I were used as pawns in the child support game. I remember planning to go live with my dad and my mom was mad that her child support money was going to be cut in half.

As far as moms go mine is alright...when she stays on her happy pills to combat her depression. When she gets in one of her funks, it's not even worth talking to her. She just wants to drag everyone down into it with her. Until it passes I just have to stand firm and not give in. Looking back it's amazing my sister and I turned out alright growing up through it. Back then she wasn't even on any meds. Shwew.

Moms know the guilt trip well and will use it every chance they can when it suits their manipulation needs. Don't give in because every time you do it just emboldens her. Stand firm and never break. Over time her guilt trips will lessen in severity and frequency. You just have to get to that point where you realize it's manipulation and you aren't going to tolerate that behavior.

[–]NightGod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Shit tests: not just for men they're planning to have sex with.

[–]BenevolentBalls 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How do you react to a mother who like you say loses her 'funk'? I am away at university now but my mum has progressively gotten worse and worse, sucking my sisters into severe depression and leaving my family bitter towards her because of her selfish actions. Yet due to culture they are still married. My mum used extreme guilt trip and tears on me the other day when I went back for extremely childish reasons (like always), its becoming increasingly difficult to deal with, what would the advice be?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

She doesn't lose her funk she gets in a funk. It's one of her moods when the depression hits.

I doubt you'll be able to talk her into getting treatment for her condition. I bet she'd become very combative if you suggested she get help for it. Unfortunately, she'll have to seek out help on her own, finally get tired of being that way.

Until then, caving in to her whims is only enabling her. Your sisters will unfortunately succumb to her manipulation. And it sounds like it's getting worse because of the inevitable empty nest situation she will soon face. All her kids will soon be gone (?) and she realizes it. Her worse and worse behavior is testament to this.

You could try to get the family together for an intervention maybe. Talk to your sisters about it. Get your dad's advice as well.

Just curious though, how would you characterize your dad? Basically a beta? Does he ever stand up to her? Has he ever stood up to her?

Best of luck, it can be a bear when the mom gets in one of her moods.

I've realized standing up and not caving in when mom throws a guilt trip is just another test to be passed. Standing firm is good practice for future tests from other women.

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Ah! Is there any male that hasn't been at least psychologically manipulated by his mother, ever? Don't think so.

[–]chinawinsworlds 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It seems I'm the only male to not be manipulated by any parent. Am I a rare breed?

[–]Frankly_George 1 points1 points [recovered]

Am I a rare breed?

Yes, you're a rare and precious snowflake. Or in denial.

[–]chinawinsworlds 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not in denial. It seems I only have reasonable parents.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

God I bet your dad is proud as fuck. Keep up the good fight man.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I had a fucked up childhood too.

My mother divorced my father when I was 3 and my father remarried a woman with 4 kids. The three boys hated me, I was the youngest of everyone. I also had 2 older sisters, and a step-sister. Essentially, I grew up in a house full of people who either too great personal pleasure in making me miserable or wanted nothing to do with me.

When everyone is a threat you learn to hide from people. That has a way of retarding your social development. It didn't take long for the abuse to start manifesting itself in "acting out behavior" and after I told my first grade teacher to "fuck herself" I was put in a "special" school. This meant that my ability to learn about the world and how to get along in groups was greatly hindered. No one ever thought to ask how I had come to learn such language.

My step-mother hated my mother and they used me to get at the other. Eventually this lead to depression and 25 years of self-hate and suicidal thoughts.

As a kid I was beaten, sodomized, emotionally abused, neglected, and told it was all my fault.

For my mother's part she always maintained that she was the victim. That she always wanted us kids (even though she didn't get custody), and that she had done nothing wrong.

The truth was that she cheated on my father and I'm not sure my sisters are his. I definitely am my father's since we are almost a mirror image of each other (thank God for that). Not only did she cheat but she took out a bunch of credit cards in his name and charged them up. Then, since her BF didn't want kids she up and left one day to live with him. My dad came out to find us alone in the house.

That was why she didn't get custody. By the time her AF dumped her and she decided she did want us kids the judge had had enough and gave us to our dad (very rare).

My dad still had to pay her child support whenever we visited her.

I didn't find all this out until I was 34. About that same time I was getting pscyh help for all the abuse.

I found out the truth by asking my mother a trick question, "Why did you cheat on my father?" It was a trick question because my dad NEVER said a bad word about her all my life. He always maintained faithfulness to her even though she's a cheating skank.

Once I caught her she started with the crocodile tears. I told her that I loved her but I didn't like her. If she was ever in serious need I would help her because she's my mother, but I don't want a relationship with you. I don't want you to call, visit, or be a part of my life. That was in 2004, and aside for the time lightning struck her apartment an set it on fire (lmao--instant Karma) I haven't had anything to do with her.

After all the years of manipulation, guilt trips, lies, neglect, and she even stole thousands of dollars from me, I was done with her.

Shortly after that I did the same thing with my sisters. I really barely even know them even though I lived with them all those years. They never wanted a thing to do with me. I was just the weird brother who embarrassed them all the time. They've got their boob jobs and their Jesus and their beta providers.

And it was about 2005 that I took the Red Pill. Although, we didn't call it that back then. The manosphere was a mere twinkle of what it is now.

Yesterday was Mother's Day. Guess who didn't get a call for the 11th year in a row?

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And it was about 2005 that I took the Red Pill. Although, we didn't call it that back then

We did, as far back as when zerohedge was created. It isn't the manosphere, it's simply the truth. The microcosm of what is male-specific is good but not the whole red pill.

Still, good to see you found a way to survive your nightmare. Most boys who experience it just suicide. Either quickly or slowly through drugs and a destroyed life that's almost a dare for life to hand them death instead of fixing things. Most of the time there is no fix possible.

[–]ShekelBanker 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It's a rare case when I hear of a woman being an airline pilot, however a scary one thinking that such a walking wreck (in Sweden there used to be a joke where a feminazi SJW could crash a plane running into the ash cloud of an Icelandic volcano because the orders given by the ATC were too patriarchal) could fly a plane.

I really hope everything turns better for you three, particularly you and your sister (I don't know how bad it was to live under such a cretin, but I can imagine) as well as your dad. Word of advice, both try to bond with your dad more, the man has indeed helped both of you.

[–]newls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only uncomfortable/uneven landings I've had in planes have been with female pilots.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Man, my kids are older than you, but there is one thing I wanted to tell you.

You're surprised you came out of this a stronger person. I'm not. Adversity and hardship are what make you stronger. The effort to lift the weight builds you. Nobody with an easy life that always takes the easy path will be strong, but not everyone who has an arduous life will be stronger from it.

It's you who decides is you will give up and be a victim crying "why me?" or if you get up and say "That's it? You hit like a bitch."

Learn to love the weight, because it can make you a tough mother fucker. From one tough mother fucker to another, it doesn't get easier, but you don't want it easy. Make your life better no matter what the world throws at you, everything is temporary. Fucking everything.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (7 children)

$1000 monthly child support, $1000 monthly alimony, and nearly everything else we owned, leaving my dad in a 1 bedroom apartment with barely enough income to pay her. All this was going on while my mother was making more than TWICE what my father was.

Which is why it is bad to marry a wife who makes more than you. She has even more of an incentive to fuck you over because she has lost her natural respect for you as a provider, since she is the provider in this case.

Also I would like for you to go more into detail as to how she got got your dad to pay alimony to her, as well as $1000 monthly child support, even if she made more money. Can you do that for me?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The House: Well, leading up to the divorce, my mother had convinced my father that he was the scum of the earth and the fault of all the dysfunction of the family (this was of course, over a very long period of time. Several years.) After the divorce, he was kicked out of the house, and being as depressed as I'm sure he was, he just went with it and got a shitty apartment. Regardless, the house probably would have been to expensive/time consuming for my father to maintain.

Child support: She used the "fairness excuse" of "we should both be paying an equal amount for the kids". Which, to the intellectual beta, makes sense. Also, my dad assumed it was the norm of the guy to pay child support. It's (disgustingly) what social convention dictates. Throw in the guilt card (remember, he thinks this is all his fault) and you've got your signature.

The alimony: She tricked him into agreeing to the alimony. In short, she told him that it would make sense to do half the child support (which she managed to convince everyone should be $2000 per month, considering I attend a private school) as alimony, because it's a tax write off (which it is).


I'm definitely oversimplifying things, but that's the general idea. If you have any more specific questions I'll happily answer them to the best of my ability.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Your father should have to pay the least alimony, since the mother makes more money, and doesn't need the extra money to raise her kids as much as your father needs the extra money for his own survival. I probably will have more questions for you in the future, but right now my mind is occupied by something else (Finals for university)

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As I said in my post, we eventually got the alimony and child support worked out in our favor, but not without some pretty big attorney bills.

[–]DidiDoThat1 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

That part of the story makes zero sense. I can see child support but even a fucked up as divorce courts are to men I do not see them tacking on 1k in alimony a month if she makes 200k and he makes 80k. OP must have left something out, did she leave her job? Did the dad start making more than her? There are holes in the story that need patching.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

You should read my reply to /u/hohamocha . Basically, it was the result of manipulation from my mother, and guilt from the father, as he blamed himself for the shitty situation and ended up agreeing to those terms.

[–]DidiDoThat1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Has he gotten his shit together yet? Done letting women walk all over him?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should show your father this site.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Unrelated, Dinner with my extended family last night, they were talking about how bad it was to not hire pregnant women, I said "why would you want to hire a pregnant woman, they can't even work" every dude chuckled and all the women scorned me.

[–]Linrraba 12 points13 points  (24 children)

First time in my life i heard of a woman being a pilot. Wondering why she didn't marry one of those many afluent dudes she might have met in flights.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Because she was already post-wall and none of the rich dudes would bang her unless she was 10 years younger.

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[–]gymgoer205 2 points3 points  (13 children)

OPSs dad is pretty affluent

[–]id-buyer 2 points2 points [recovered]

>$80K

>affluent

pick one fam

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (10 children)

I agree that it is not that 'affluent', however, at 80K the guy would be in the 94th percentile among single tax filers in the United States, and 88th for men.

I do find these stories hard to swallow sometimes because a woman making 200K today would be in the top 0.05% of all women.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (7 children)

The marriage didn't start like that. They were both around 150K to begin with.

[–]throwa15 5 points6 points  (3 children)

How did you dad go from 150 to 80?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Funny you ask. My Mother wanted him to be a stay at home dad. So he did. When he eventually decided to get back into the workforce it was post 9/11 and the economy was pretty rough. He took what he could get.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is very insightful. HE was a stay at home dad. Alimony is supposed to keep your spouse accustomed to the lifestyle they already had but HE had to pay HER alimony after the divorce? System is rigged son!

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Divorce. It can be worse. $40k to $5k for me.

[–]PlebDestroyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and the top 0.00001% of pilots.

[–]gymgoer205 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is affluent in some places.

[–]chrisindub 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Jesus Christ!

Respect for rejecting the bullshit and not ending up like your Dad.

Teach your pops some things that will help him to get a life. He needs one too.

Your sister chose her own path and she will reap the negative consequences.

[–]bluedrygrass 2 points3 points  (0 children)

" Strangely, I'm glad things turned out the way they did. From this, I've become a stronger person. "

Be glad you can say that since you weren't left permanently psychologically of physically crippled. Many others didn't have your luck.

And yes, those horror stories are more than common, today. And they'll become the norm in the future.

Simply put, females aren't fit to be single mothers. Without a male counterpart to balance the shitton of issues any female naturally has, they'll end up ruining their childrens' lives, in the most disparate ways.

[–]LaV-Man 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My mother was a cop, my father worked at a liquor store and went to night school (she made more than him). When she divorced him, he got my brother and I, and she got my sister. My dad had to pay her 500 per month in child support, and she constantly went to court to get it increased. By the time my sister turned 18 my father and mother both made good money and the child support payments were outragious.

BTW - tl;dr - Fuck you, I read the whole thing. LOL

[–]1kick6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My uncle is a captain for American. That pilot's salary is probably below what he pulls.

[–]awakenedmale 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I basically married your "sister", who broke our marriage vows.

AWALT.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad you are in a better place and going in a more positive direction with your life.

[–]Marb100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

in addition to all the great things other people are throwing out you might find some release in /r/raisedbynarcissists

[–]rolandontheriver 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Dude I lived that shit too in the exact same time frame as you. I caught my mother cheating multiple times and she'd been planning it for 7 years. Do you live in Florida by chance??

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Nope, I am a ways away from there.

[–]rolandontheriver 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Crazy. The agreement was wrote the same way for me at the end with the money being given but not really being any support and the mother being the higher wage earner. Its just odd how similar our situations are.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's quite disturbing how many people share my story.

[–]rolandontheriver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The AWALT theory really holds to be true with situations like this. Really turns you red pill before you even discover this sub.

[–]Finishweird 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most states take income and custody time percentage in account when calculating child support. Because you now live with your dad, she should be paying your dad support.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

relative to the mother, yes.

[–]1User-31f64a4e 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some people here doubt the legitimacy of my story because my mother was an airline pilot. I assure you, there are many women in the industry.

Just before 9/11 I was in a plane, talking to the girl next to me. She was in her early 20's. It emerged that she was going to go to school to be a pilot. I asked how the job market was for that and she said "not so good, but very good for me because I am a woman."
The basic deal was there were plenty of guys already trained - some with hours - looking for jobs; but she had a pussy so quotas would rocket her to the top of the list.

Disgusting.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (2 children)

TL;DR: Fuck you. I spent the time to write it, you spend the time to read it.

best too long didn't read ever!

but seriously. it's good you got out of there... I was in the same situation as you ( if you call the cops getting called over while i'm out smoking weed with my friends.)

it's just a shit storm no one wants to see.. I really feel sorry for people that for to go threw this... it stays with you for a LONG time... ( mines 10 years plus... finally settled down now since my mum is living on the other side of the world)

I guess I'm still cut up about what i went through. do you mind if I ask you some questions about it what you went through?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No, I don't mind questions at all.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man I feel you completely. I went through the exact same thing with my mother. Was abused and really fucked up. My dad had nothing and she threw me out on the street at 14.

Luckily, I ha d a friend I stayed with (parents were part of the local Lutheran ministers and veery kind) allowing me to get out of the situation. However she took everything from my father. It's despicable and even 8 years later I still have issues with my mom. Number one thing that has helped me is trp and self improvement.

Keep going hard and do your best you have a lot of life ahead of you.

[–]watersign 1 point2 points  (0 children)

its gotta suck to become "red pilled" after observing how a family member acts, especially someones mom.

[–]Venomroach 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Love the tl;dr. Glad you stopped putting up with the shit and started to improve yourself

[–]someguysomewhere321 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

TL;DR: Fuck you. I spent the time to write it, you spend the time to read it.

Seems like you sponged up quite a bit of SJW entitlement from your femnazi mother...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Wonder who will inherit the house.

[–]copralalic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

OP is a teenager, parents are still a long way from dying. Mom has plenty of time to run her finances into the gutter.

[–]yaardi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

At what age did she (re)marry to your father? What was his age then?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She was early thirties, he was late thirties.

[–]UlyssesElias 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Your mom earned a super-high income (twice your dad's). This is the minority of cases. Your dad's child support payments would have been proportionately quite low right? If not, then they should have been. He should have only paid 40% to your mom's 60% child support contributions. If not, why not? What were the laws governing your family's situation?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was an agreement that was reached. I added some details in a response to /u/hohomochas 's question. You should take a look at that. It was just manipulation at it's core.

[–]PlebDestroyer 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Although bro knighting is bannable, what you did to help you, your father, and sister out by getting the fuck out of there is awesome.

Question: How do you feel towards your mother? Do you have a strong disdain for her like you probably do all of the other feminists?

My sis said she was a feminist once but I just chalked it up to her being brainwashed by the media and ignorantly going along with the media. We never bring it up and have a great relationship. Her relationship with her husband is pretty RP so maybe the "feminist" in her is just a label that makes herself feel as though she's fighting a good cause.

On the other hand I know another woman who is much more active when it comes to feminism (monetarily and socially). But I see her as a child that just doesn't know any better and so I have no real resentment toward her. I just smile and nod.

So how would you describe your feelings toward your mother?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. I forgive her. There's no point in basking in the pain of the past, or wanting to seek revenge. The best thing I can do for myself is to acknowledge what happened and move on. Leave it in the past.

I certainly disagree with aspect of the feminist cultural movement, but I don't have any disdain towards women for being biologically programmed the way they were. This is simply a flaw in the social system that needs to be fixed, and until then, all I can do is work on myself.

[–]ucfgavin 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Your sister could be a feminist who is actually concerned about equality...not just women getting everything and men being pieces of garbage and thats why you guys have a good relationship haha.

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[–]ucfgavin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh...yeah, that would annoy me. i don't think we would be friends

[–]PlebDestroyer 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I had asked her if she felt oppressed as a female and she said yes. And was unable to give me a solid reason as to why. She also believes women get paid less.

Even if she was concerned true equality, is that really what trp is about? Because men and women aren't equal, they're different.

[–]ucfgavin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

geez, she sounds a lot more stereotypical feminist than i thought haha. i mean equal as in equal treatment in societal senses (pay, jobs, legal, etc). anyone who thinks the two sexes are actually equal are silly geese :o

[–]PlebDestroyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah you're right. It's late, lol.

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[–]UlyssesElias 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you need to catch planes more. I've made many plane trips where the voice saying "i'm your captain" is a woman. However, many more are guys.

[–]Poskito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If and when I have kids I swear to never allow this shit to happen to them

[–]the_red_scimitar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of people bemoan hearing about somebody having a terrible parent, and some types of terrible are worse than others, but I've seen men use this in much better ways than women. Much like you say, those experiences can actually add insight and strength to one's life, if you are not of the victim (i.e. no agency) mentality.

And we know who has no agency.

[–]urmomsacct 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Great post. I don't think private school is tax deductible though?

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad you got out of it. Sorry to see your dad got divorce-raped. So many have. My dad was.

I won't ever tolerate it. Won't let it even get near that stage.

[–]colucci -5 points-4 points  (18 children)

If you're not going to include a tl;dr, don't try to be quirky and include a faux-tldr.

tl;dr: fuck you too.

[–]Huffnagle 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Omg, he's trying to keep it light and entertaining.... Lighten up Francis

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I will explain why a faux TL;DR is unacceptable for this sub (in my opinion). TL;DRs serves a function just like the post title or the hyperlink. If someone wrote a post as a response to an article and the link to that article just brings you to an image that says "fuck you, I took the time to review this article, you can take the time to google the source." It's meaningless inefficiency and they have misused the hyperlink function. No one is laughing. No one thinks it's clever.

We tend to think egocentrically. If you are 20 years old you think everyone on Reddit is on your level, as if most other redditors are 20 years old. That's not the case on TRP, though. There are 20, 30, 40, 50 year olds on TRP. Some guys have been on this sub for a year and have read MANY similar stories. A TL;DR is a tool for them to decide if the post is worth reading to them personally. Just as the title serves a function to interest you to click on the post. Just as a hyperlink serves a function to link you to other sources.

Finally, a faux TL;DR is unacceptable because the best writers in the manosphere do not use them. Did you ever read an article by RooshV, or Heartiste, or GayLubeOil using a "fuck you TL;DR"? If they don't use them, it's because they have polished and refined their message and delivered it in a way that is smart, edgy, funny, and worth reading all the way through. They don't have to insult people into reading them. If what they have to say is worthwhile, a TL;DR will just draw us in to read because we know it's useful information. A faux TL;DR is neither funny nor helpful, it's a hyperlink to a middle finger. It insults our intelligence and convinces that 50 year old alpha businessman who only spends 30 minutes a week on TRP, that perhaps his time is better spent elsewhere.

It's certainly not a crime against humanity to use a 'fuck you TL;DR'. I have seen them every once in a while on TRP. My reason for elucidating all of this is to encourage 'best practices' and help people realize why this subreddit is superior to others--it's attention to detail and truthful writing presented in a coherent, useful manner. Proper use of Title, Links, and TL;DR are helpful in an 'ease of use' way.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I upvoted this. This was good, and I concede to your point. Thank you for the well thoughts out comment as opposed to the petty bickering. This is what I expect from endorsed members: quality.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 3 points4 points  (13 children)

What the hell is with people including a faux-tldr-insult? Why? I didn't do anything to you, OP, so don't act like a fucking child. If we were face to face in a bar and you were telling me your story you wouldn't dare insult me to my face. Have some courtesy and tact, it's free. The fact you were emotionally abused by a family member doesn't entitle you to hurl abuse at random strangers.

[–]carnage_panda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unlikely you'd be a dickhead and say, "cool story, bro" as well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Though I see what you're are getting at, the reason I would do that is because of the many people who don't take the time to read well thought out posts, just skim over, then post there uninformed opinions (a problem, which, being an endorsed red piller, I'm sure has brought you much aggravation.) I didn't mean to offend anyone by posting it. It was my understanding that the seasoned members of this community are tough enough to handle it, and take it as the joke it is.

And where in my post did I say I was emotionally abused? That's a pretty bold assumption my friend.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 2 points3 points  (6 children)

And where in my post did I say I was emotionally abused? That's a pretty bold assumption my friend.

The passage below indicates, or at least implies emotional abuse. It's not a very bold assumption.

Not to mention she was an abusive mother, leaving my sister on the brink of suicide (mostly by hypocritically insulting her weight), and myself spiraling into addictions left and right.

[–]The_Red_Disciple 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You might want to check out r/raisedbynarcissicists. Good luck.

[–]adave4allreasons 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm proud of you man. Recognizing the shit for what it is. Get your game on and have a great life!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Have you shown your old man the red pill material? if not why not? can we get his story as well? this story is important please share! show him your post and my request!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

He's really deep into the Beta life style. It would be to bitter for him to swallow. He needs time more than anything. Eventually, he will make these realizations on his own.

Though, I have dropped bits of TRP theory here and there.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

excellent keep going! good job!

[–]ucfgavin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sucks that your sister seems to have followed in her footsteps...however, good on you to have done the right thing and got out of there. Keep working hard!

[–]Sebsebzen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hope you are getting better, man.

[–]ZeeyardSA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well done Boet(little brother - afrikaans from SA) I commend you.

[–]shoonx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unless the threat of losing half of my life's work diminishes, I plan on staying away from marriage for my life.

I honestly don't care about "settling down and starting the average American family". I have too many plans for my life to be tied down with a dependent female, and one or more dependent little shitheads(children).

No, I won't grow up to be a lonely old man. I'll grow up to be a happy old guy, satisfied with a life of a decent bank account, and having the freedom to go and do what I damn please. If future medical technology allows, I will replace every part of my old body, and bring myself back to Chad Thundercock status.

Maybe I'm a bit wishful, but I would love to be the age of 120, with the body of a fit 23 year old. I'll be bedding future plates left and right. :)

[–]Chicken_Hands 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nice to see you again Titus, i miss you guy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WOW CHICKEN HANDS! How are you my friend? How's NoFap going?

The above story is the reason why I had kind of disappeared for a while.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fuck your mother. I'm glad you did what you did, but goddamn that women to the pits of hell.

[–]TheRealMouseRat -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is fucking disgusting. I'm happy you're ok now op. I hope your father is doing fine as well.

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