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"Poker with Black Widows"


submitted by Senior ContributorOmLaLax2

Hello Dear RPers,

I met an attractive woman online on PoF a few months back (a subject I’ll be going into great detail about later on this week), but because she'd become a notorious last-minute flake (the kind of woman that shit tests by cancelling on you 30 minutes prior; you know exactly the type I mean), I gave her a soft next and completely and utterly forgot about her (abundance mentality fellas, it does wonders for your game and your skin tone). Turns out she hadn't forgotten me.

She called me yesterday completely out of the blue, asking what I had planned for today (uh oh, we all know where this is headed). I gave her the specific time and place I planned to be so that if she flaked (as she was proned to), it didn’t affect my schedule. She actually showed up (I know, I was honestly completely stunned too) and she was much hotter than her pictures led on (again stunned, but more physically stunned than metaphorically stunned, and only stunned around my penis. It's an erection joke).

My frame has gotten pretty impenetrable over the past few months (making a killing on dating sites after I got used to the type of approach it takes; again, I’ll go into greater detail on that in another post), so I wasn’t too worried about the shit tests that were coming (after a while, you kinda know what to expect from the first encounter). Oddly enough, her shit tests were slim to none. I could feel something was different about her compared to the previous women I’d dealt with; she rarely spoke, and when she did, she was very calculated in her response. She showed little to no emotion and revealed very little about herself. What she did reveal was purposely vague and open-ended, which I recognized as her trying to gauge where I was at/how I thought based on how I interpreted it. Her frame was solid and she was playing the game well.

Diva (who we’ll call this woman for reasons you’ll learn soon enough) is what I’d describe as a “strong framed woman” or (for the sake of this post’s title) a ”black widow” female. By that I mean she was accustomed to (and thoroughly enjoyed) controlling any relationship she was involved with (sexual, platonic and romantic), she fed off of beta and alpha alike (bend the alpha to provide her sex when it was convenient for her, bend betas like all women bend betas, etc.), held a firm and unwavering frame (I’ve yet to see a woman so difficult to read; she’s even got some men beat), and knew both what she wanted and how she would get it.

I was upfront with what I wanted from Diva (sexual relationship only, not looking for commitment) and Diva replied in turn (wanted a relationship, exclusivity, no fucking other people while we “courted”, no fucking until official). Diva absolutely refused having sex with someone she wasn’t dating and I don’t hang out with girls I haven’t fucked (girls really eat that “brash honesty” shit up). Diva believed sex was this special magical wondrous thing that only people who truly cared deeply about one another could enjoy and that she valued herself too highly to have sex with just anyone. I believe sex is an act two people who’re attracted to each other just do and, just like kissing or holding hands or jogging, sex doesn’t mark against anyone’s “value” by enjoying it.

Part of me really wanted to just drop Diva all together and hit up Plate #3 (whose back in town for summer vacation; I’m sorry Kevin, but I think your GF is cheating on you for some unrelated reason), but the other part welcomed the challenge that was being presented (plus Sunday was a pretty slow day for me and I had some time to kill). We had reached a stalemate; neither of us were willing to divulge too much about ourselves, yet it was very clear by the fact that neither of us had walked away that we were both attracted to each other. I decided to test this to its fullest extent.

I would be as distant and outright blunt as possible and see if it shattered her frame. I silently vowed to not be the first person to leave that table and to see if I could push this "strong-willed black widow” so far that she got up and left.

It became a game of Poker™ between OmLaLa, The Machiavellian Alpha-in-Training and Diva, The Black Widow.

I started by talking about my plates. I told her I was fucking 4 other girls (only 4 are reliable enough to be consider “plates”) She didn’t flinch (damn, thought I’d get her with that one) so I tried to gauge how long it took her to calculate her response. A long damn time. She responded by telling me she also had 2 other guys besides me (probably true, considering how often her phone vibrated in her purse) but that she hadn’t had sex with them yet, given the reasons she’d listed earlier (again, not sure if it was true, but it honestly that didn’t matter to me). That was her counteract.

I told her she would continue to talk to these two men even after we started fucking. She flinched. I’d assume the confidence (balls) she thought it took to predict that fucking was in our near future seemed to mess with her “absolute resolve” (and by absolute resolve I mean her vagina). Chink in the armor. Time to prod.

I told her we were fucking tonight. I stared straight through her and told her she’d be coming to my place tonight, she’d wear lingerie, we’d fuck, then we’d watch Netflix. I expected a rebuttal of shit tests about how “she wasn’t that type of girl” or how she “only had sex with people she dated”. Instead, she asked me when was the last time I’d fucked one of my plates (from damn left field; the balls on this one). I told her two nights ago, outside, on top of my car hood (all true; I was very proud of this one). She paused (a glimmer of intrigue behind tht poker face of hers) then she counterattacked by saying if we were to fuck in a few months (as if I’d wait that long), I’d have to cut off all of my plates because she’s selfish (now this is a shit test I can deal with). I respond with (in my calmest and sternest tone):

“What makes your pussy so special? Why would I give up fucking four women that’ll fuck me whenever I ask just to fuck only you when you’re too afraid to fuck on the first night?”

That did it. Proud women hate being called cowards, hate being compared to other women and most of all hate losing to other women. I’d become a challenge by becoming someone she felt determined to prove herself (sexually) valuable to; to prove that her pussy (as she’d been told by other guys) was worth more than the 4 of my plates combined (ambitious girl, gotta give her credit). Game set.

She started to ramble on and on about all of these kinky, debaucherous things she’d done (I almost felt remorseful for her father as she happily recalled some of these past “events”). I laughed these off as being part of an amateur/rookie-level sex game (amused mastery, fellas). As the lack of my validation began to frustrate her (I was actually impressed and excited to fuck this woman, but I couldn’t let her see that), she asked what crazy sex stuff had I done. I made some fake sigh with a pained expression (as if it was so bad and kinky I just couldn’t put it into words) and told her she’d simply have to find out tonight for herself

She was curious and determined. “Okay.” She stated simply. “I’ll be there tonight at X. I’ll let you know when I’m on the way.” She then stood up, turned way and unflinchingly walked out the door.

That following evening, I’d assumed she bailed and that’d be the last I’d hear from her. But, as sure as sure can be, there she was on the doorstep in her Abercrombie sweats and light pink lingerie. We fucked all last night (I’m seriously half asleep while I’m typing this; worst time to try and quit coffee), and the whole time during she’d ask girly things like, “am I better than your other girls?” or say things like, “I bet Plate #3 doesn’t do this for you (and she was right, Plate #3 never did that for me. Now I know why Kevin seemed so repressed)”. She was fucking me to prove a point to herself and I was just along for the ride. And what a ride it was.

Several hours later, as we were clumsily getting dressed at 3 in the morning, she announced something along the lines of, “I bet that was the best sex you’ve ever had. If you would cut off the other girls, I’ll do that and more for you.” Now, I could’ve just lied and given her some false possibilities where if she did X or Y, I’d consider dropping the plates (just to get a few more sessions out of her), but that all sounded like way too much effort/work for one girl. I told her how I felt:

“Your pussy was alright, but it wasn’t worth giving up the 4 I have in queue. I like chocolate, but I like vanilla and strawberry more.”

As Machiavellian as I am, looking back, that seemed a bit too deep of a stab to make unprovoked after all we’d just done I could’ve said little to nothing about it, but she just kept prodding me for validation on her pussy value and I was exhausted/spent.

She told me to keep my vanilla and strawberry or whatever. Then, in her most calm and unwavering tone, she called me “the coldest man she’d ever met” and said she was terrified by the fact that she liked me because I didn’t care about her at all. She walked out the door on that note.

The worst part about it is that she was right. I’ve become cold and brutal when it comes to the sexual agenda. What I once worked on by reading RP blogs and books has now become a part of my very being. I felt nothing for this woman, no remorse as she left and I wouldn’t care if I never fucked her again. And that’s just who I am now. It’s eerie; I can hear my past self whispering in these types of situations, but it’s like listening to a child comment on what he thinks he knows while looking over the shoulder of a man working. It’s both calming and terrifying, and I know that she felt it.

[–]FrameWalker 134 points135 points  (62 children)

Good riddance and inspiring field report. I've lost to those types of women many times before. She must be sobused to A&A and people being clever with her tests that you not trying to pass rattled her

[–]dinogj 43 points43 points [recovered]

After reading this it seems like this woman acts almost like a more self aware alpha widow. So maybe the trick to breaking the Alpha widow is to be "The Coldest Man shes ever seen"....essentially Out alpha her previous partner(s), but not on a smaller scale, on a dark triad borderline personality disorder level. Fire with even more fire.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 27 points28 points  (2 children)

The more I read comments like these the more "dark-triad"-esque I feel I've become. I suppose it comes with the amoral mindset.

And you're right, I can see a hint of alpha widow in her. But I don't believe you'd actually have to "out alpha" her ex-alphas to get with her, you'd just need to become an enigma to her (she thinks she knows everything think there is to know about men; show her she knows nothing).

[–]1xwm 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I'd say she had a touch of Lucifer's daughter (dark tetrad) in her more than alpha widow. If you're unfamiliar, Google the illimitable mans stuff.

[–]Endorsed ContributorDoxasticPoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was thinking the same but was unsure about a "black widow" and thought maybe they were the same

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 64 points65 points  (57 children)

It all came down to unwavering resolve and knowing what you want from the start.

I knew exactly what I wanted, I wasn't going to bend what I expected to accomdate her or to fuck her, she fucked me to convince me bending was worth it and she left disappointed that her best play still had her coming up short.

If she texts/calls me, it'll stand as my personal favorite example that AWALT.

[–]whatyearisthisagain 57 points58 points  (49 children)

she was terrified by the fact that she liked me because I didn’t care about her at all

Sounds like you will hear from her in a couple of days.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 66 points67 points  (47 children)

She's already contacted me. Its funny how you just predicted the future there. You must have some sort of gift.

[–]whatyearisthisagain 23 points24 points  (45 children)

Shit, from reading your OP I figured it would take longer with this one.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 135 points136 points  (44 children)

To be perfectly honest, so did I. She texted me shortly after I left work with this:

"I can't fucking stand you. What're you doing tonight?"

Being the upstanding man that I am, I reply in kind:


To which she types:

" sigh you're such an ass. I get off work at 10. I'll be over at 11."

Another long night ahead, another example of AWALT and another reason to take a nap.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 83 points84 points  (2 children)


I can't fucking stand you.

I've been thinking about you all day.

sigh you're such an ass

I hate that I'm whipped but I really want your dick

Good job man.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Good job on the womanese interpreting there. That's a fine skill you've developed.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Practice makes perfect. Also helps when you have upstanding gents such as yourself to show one the way.

[–]Chinny4daWinny 26 points27 points  (37 children)

To be perfectly honest, so did I. She texted me shortly after I left work with this:

"I can't fucking stand you. What're you doing tonight?"

Being the upstanding man that I am, I reply in kind:


To which she types:

" sigh you're such an ass. I get off work at 10. I'll be over at 11."

Yo man, I'm 18 and I haven't seen the world yet, but do girls literally fall in your lap when you got your shit together in life? Looks, money, confidence/frame?

I'm learning some pua because I'm socially stupid but if I have everything else do I need the pua stuff?

[–]HS-Thompson 42 points43 points  (25 children)

Yes they do. And it's mostly confidence/frame. Looks and status always help, and I suppose some game does too, but honestly to get to this kind of next level interaction you have to have some seriously strong mental health, a level of zen calmness and clarity that takes a while to reach for most people.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'd argue it's more than just the calmness and clarity. It's determination and unflinching assuredness in the way things are going to operate. Men who aren't even slightly derailed by verbal challenges and resistance.

I remember one plate telling me "I like that you don't let me say no". That's what they're really looking for.

[–]Chinny4daWinny 5 points6 points  (11 children)

Yes they do. And it's mostly confidence/frame. Looks and status always help, and I suppose some game does too, but honestly to get to this kind of next level interaction you have to have some seriously strong mental health, a level of zen calmness and clarity that takes a while to reach for most people.

I consider myself calm for the most part. I get loud when I'm very hyped or telling a good story/joke. I can also easily come off as boring though.

Confidence I have when it comes to doing things. Talking, not so much. I can speak to my friends and people I've known for a while, but strangers it's hard as I've lived sheltered and played tons of video games.

[–]HS-Thompson 9 points10 points  (3 children)

We are probably in vastly different areas of life (I am over 40 and divorced) but learning how to have real mental clarity and calmness is an important part of being a man. Facing adversity, including physical challenges, and things like meditation and travel can help you get there.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

"Confidence I have when it comes to doing things. Talking, not so much. I can speak to my friends and people I've known for a while, but strangers it's hard as I've lived sheltered and played tons of video games."

My problem about the talking thing is I care so little about the daily mundane BS that fills most people's conversations. I have to feign interest. Deep life subjects on the other hand? You'll have a hard time getting me to shut up.

[–]1xwm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is precisely why you need to get out and do other things. You don't get the prize, you become the prize. I used to be the same way, but I'm starting to fix it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Hey man, 20yo here. What can you do to have a strong mental health? I meditate a lot but it seems to be much more complicated.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I meditate in the car. No radio and self-reflect the whole ride.

[–]TaylorWolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Take up a second or third language.

Its not that hard. Its really almost like your just learning new english words and expanding your vocabulary if that makes sense

[–]SilentForTooLong -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Never understand this really. Getting zen is much easier than getting tons of money.

[–]HS-Thompson 2 points3 points  (3 children)

One could argue that. I have done both and found zen calmness a much harder task than making a shitload of money.

[–]ExamplePrime 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Short answer: Yes

Long answer: Yes but it takes an insane amount of practice and don't expect it to happen to this scale any time soon

[–]Chinny4daWinny 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Practice as in pua stuff, or just being the guy girls want to fuck and guys want to be like?

[–]ExamplePrime 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Practice as in even just talking to women. Doesn't matter if you have 20 routines, take no shit and make 6 figures, if you can't stop yourself from mumbling and looking at your feet when a hot girl approaches that'll all go to waste.

Become that guy who knows all the girls at the shops he visits the most. Become that guy who always has something interesting to say outside of routines.

It's like that Ted talk that gets brought up every so often. "Don't fake it until you make it, fake it until you become it." Act confident and cool AS OFTEN as you can, and you'll Become confident and cool.

[–]tallwheel 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Well, you have to remember that OP met this girl on PoF, so it's not like he wasn't actively seeking women at all.

[–]Chinny4daWinny 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh I didn't catch that. Thanks for the info

[–]doveenigma13 2 points3 points  (0 children)


PUA stuff is like stand up comedy. You shine for a few minutes, and then it's over and you're left with an empty wallet at best.

Get your shit together, lift, dress well, be interesting. Girls will pursue you and buy you things.

[–]h22keisuke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Money doesn't belong in the same category as those other three.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It seems like she's playing out a stereotypical trope that is a staple in RomComs: adversaries in lust.

[–]1aguy01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Competing with those other girls is far more exciting to her then watching beta fags beat around the bush.

[–]1003rp -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I just want to add a tiny bit of a warning about being so cold. You never want a woman to feel like you completely used her for sex because it could easily turn into her regretting the sex and rationalizing that you raped her. Watch out for that but otherwise thank you for sharing this field report.

[–]HeinousFu_kery 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This. I'll bet she'll be back -- and more than once.

[–]DoDraper 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Mark my word, she'll definitely call you within few days.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She actually came back over last night.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (4 children)

do you think you could have done this if you didn't have 4 girl son the hook.

just curious.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Yes, because abundance mentality isn't based on how many plates I currently have, it's based on my perception on how many women I believe I can get.

I know that she's just one girl and I can go out on a Friday night and meet 20 girls just like her.

[–]Luckyluke23 4 points5 points  (2 children)

thanks man... this is what I lack... right now, i really don't believe in shit.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I promise you this: the more attractive you feel, the more you'll feel eyes on you, the uglier everyone else seems, the easier it is to set standards for yourself, the easier it is to approach women, the easier it is to get laid often, the easier it is to juggle plates, the easier it is to gain abundance mentality.

In short, build attractiveness and abundance mentality will follow.

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thanks for that man.. very helpful

[–]n8dawwg 51 points52 points  (8 children)

You know something man, I used to dislike "players" like you. Being able to treat a woman like dirt (in their eyes) but get exactly what you want from them. They would chase after you relentlessly while betas (like myself) would be scratching thier heads trying to figure out why they want a player like that. I understand fully now that you did absolutely nothing wrong by being up front with what you wanted, and not bending yourself over backwards to "win" a girl. It was the girls own ego and desire to be so fucking high on a pedestal that has her throwing herself at you. Kudos to you good sir for helping me open my eyes.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I didn't start out this way. If you have some time, read through my previous post "Cubic v. Diamond".

Before the events that transpired in that post, I used to hate people like me too.

[–]Shade_Raven 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Wow, your posts are great and incredibly written. I look forward to your next piece

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I'm working hard on it and I think you'll all enjoy it.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Looking back in my clueless nice guy beta days I knew a few guys who were operating on the same level as this. Amazingly hot women always at their sides. The guys treated the girls like crap, blew them off, were late, just didn't care two shits about the girls other than using them for sex. Back then I used to think what jerks they were. If only I'd had TRP back then.

[–]Shiningknight12[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It helped a lot when I realized that when women said "My ex is a manipulative bastard" they probably meant "My ex is straightforward about what he wants and didn't care about me, which made me want him more".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's wrong is sacrificing one's dignity, honor and self respect in order to get laid. Betas are wrong. Players are right .

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (12 children)

Great post. You held your frame and did well. Obviously this girl is not LTR material. Yes the sex might be great but she will definitely eat away a man's confidence in the long term. A LTR quality girl will never out-sex other plates. She will be submissive from day 1 after her normal shit tests to make sure he's not a total pussy.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 46 points47 points  (11 children)

Making a woman like this an LTR is laughable. I'll admit, her sex game was high-tier (one of those sessions you dwell on the day after) but I understand that level of "display" was most likely a one-time deal (her attempt to fight for validation).

Any women that thinks her pussy is automatically better than 4 is deluded (and bad at math 4>1) and should be treated as such.

[–]Mouthpiece 36 points37 points  (1 child)

She might be better than any of the others, but she's not better than ALL of the others.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She might be better than any of the others, but she's not better than ALL of the others.

This should be on the front page of this sub, somehow.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I'll admit, her sex game was high-tier

probably escort / sugar baby.

[–]the99percent1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

and people have a problem with men fucking hookers?..

sure, you pay an 'affordable' price, for awesome sex.

wtf is wrong with that?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It'll be a one time deal if you want it to be. It is all on your terms now but only if you keep the validation at absolute zero.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

[FR] I just had a plate last night pull a "I'm not sleeping with you" card on me after I raw dogged her many times last week (I know it's stupid).

I told her to leave with my body language. She got the message and left.

The plate was a 33 yo Greyhound bus because she had so many baggages (she told me about her past). I'm glad she ditched bc staying with her would have dragged me down to her level. She had a nice ass but it was bc of the yoga. If she stopped that she would be a whale.

Protip: A hoe can never be tamed no matter how much of a "good girl" she looks.

[–]the99percent1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Careful there.. I've been burnt by a lucifer daughter/black widow before.

Even if it seems you have the upper hand right now. Things can change very quickly. Rmb, she has 10++ years of experience in this.

My advice, if she hasn't ensnared you yet, run..

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

How do you manage to slay pussy regularly yet live a proper life? I mean, what's your daily life like?

I can't imagine how time consuming it must be to manage all your plates (and I mean even with the most minimal commitment), while also being at work, hitting the gym, and having other hobbies and time for friends, etc.

As always, your FRs never fail to impress and inspire me. Relatively new here and relatively young (I'm 19), but have much to learn.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Here's a rough example of my daily schedule (workdays):

  • wake up at 630, get ready, shower, eat, etc.
  • work from 8-430, 20 minute commute and little traffic
  • go to gym from 5-630
  • enjoy hobby (right now it's boxing and painting) drink with friends or relax 7-930
  • invite plate over 930-1100 *sleep by 1130-1200

It's a tight schedule, but it's one I enjoy. The weekend schedule becomes a bit more complex.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a simple but fulfilling life, and I don't mean that in a bad way at all. I suppose you've settled down in terms of lifestyle (I'm guessing you're anywhere from late 20s to 30s), with your career sorted and all that. I find that most people have a ton of distractions in their lives (instant gratification) and never see their goals or dreams fulfilled, they're the ones that go on social media stalking girls instead of actually interacting with them. And to rectify that from my own life I've been trying consciously to avoid the Internet and just focus on being the best man and building up my life.

Either way, I've been reading your posts and your insight is very valuable. My favourite was Cubic v Diamond. I'm relatively young (I'm nineteen) so I have a long way to go (and many bitches to plow). And growing up without a real TRP role model, that post (and all your other ones) really helped me internalise some core TRP values. Keep them coming!

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Then, in her most calm and unwavering tone, she called me “the coldest man she’d ever met” and said she was terrified by the fact that she liked me because I didn’t care about her at all.

She is only qualified to make that assessment by being, herself, a cold-hearted woman. Once upon a time lingerie was something a man only saw on his wedding night. All lingerie was bridal lingerie and you only learned what it was when you consummated a marriage. Today every woman owns lingerie and they wear it and fuck on the first date without flinching.

This Devil's Daughter is just the modern every-woman, she uses her pussy and lingerie as tools to get what she (thinks she) wants. She is such damaged goods she is basically an animal in the jungle, when her body tells her she is ready she goes out hunting for a worthwhile mate. She didn't have a strong patriarchal structure to control her urges and guide her into having a successful life, so she is nothing more than an animal, at the mercy of her most basic instincts to open her legs for the species, and that wonderful ideology feminism indoctrinated her to believe that she increases her value every time she fucks a guy within hours of meeting him.

We are living in a social apocalyptic world in which the family structure has collapsed, and other institutions like government, military, church, and law are in a state of advanced disrepair. Although we look around and things are still functioning sort of OK, socially it is Mad Max out there. A total disaster. Animalistic sluts like this Devil's Daughter, lacking fathers and patriarchs, have made themselves incapable of LTRs. Their main weapon in life is their vagina and they must wield it expertly if they are to survive. With more and more men opting out of society and GoingTOW, it makes it that much more impossible for a woman to wield her weapon well enough to lock down a top 20% male when he has options. In his own small way, OP is helping to burst the gynocentric bubble.

The worst part about it is that she was right. I’ve become cold and brutal when it comes to the sexual agenda.

In a Mad Max world, you must be cold and brutal. But whereas you feel bad when you self-reflect about it--you notice that you aren't the innocent wide-eyed boy you once were--she was cold and brutal long before she met you, and she feels no remorse about it, because nature designed her this way and it's the failure of men that allowed her to express her base nature within our society.

[–]ComradeCynic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There is a part of what you have written, that is truly golden.

In the Narnia books/movie series, there are 2 kinds of animals, regular dumb beasts, and others, given more intelligence, who are able to talk.

As the kids return to Narnia, they come across a Talking Bear (these bears are always gentle and good) - but the bear, having gone bad, has forgotten how to talk, and goes feral - and must be destroyed since it attacks Lucy.

"Such a horrid idea has come into my head, Susan."

"What's that?"

"Wouldn't it be dreadful if some day, in our own world, at home, men started going wild inside, like the animals here, and still looked like me, so that you'd never know which were which?"

"We've got enough to bother about here and now in Narnia," said the practical Susan, "without imagining things like that."

And that is exactly what has happened with this girl... she is feral, an animal responding on instinct and stimulus/response.

[–]HeinousFu_kery 47 points48 points  (8 children)

“the coldest man she’d ever met”

Take that as a compliment, a sign of professional respect - she's obviously a stone-cold manipulator. You had your fun and you're well rid of her. And don't feel bad about the final stab - I'm sure she either has done or will do much worse to some poor bastard.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 15 points16 points  (7 children)

I agree with you on that. There are just times lately where I feel like I should have pretended to care at the very least.

I respect her to some degree because she plays the game so well and I considered her a worthy opponent. From that perspective, it felt a bit like kicking your rival while they're down.

[–]HeinousFu_kery 48 points49 points  (1 child)

This one ain't playin' kickball.

People like that aren't the other team, they're enemy soldiers - emotional thugs. Given half a chance, she'll beat you, leave you bleeding and curse you for being weak enough to be conquered. She's Anton Chigurh with tits.

Remember that when she turns up again, as I think she will. Arrogance is its own weakness and you're playing hers pretty well...so far.

Fuck her, but never, ever turn your back on her.

[–]neolithicera 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is a balance that I need to find, the shit test versus the comfort test. I was with a girl once who had many of the traits that this girl showed manipulative and cunning. However she loved being called out on it and said she was glad she finally found somebody colder than her that she couldn't manipulate.

It worked out for a while but I killed her shit tests and treated her comfort tests as shit tests. A girl can only take so much so we parted ways, however she still messages me occasionally to ask how she did in a particular situation. I'm wondering if you think this girl was like that, because this girl I was with was the only one who enjoyed playing the game just to play it.

Thoughts are appreciated

[–]GarandTheftAvto 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Personally I think pretending to care should be reserved for comfort tests in LTRs or for your main plate when her feelz indicate it might be useful.

Great FR. As far as the stab goes she definitely responded well.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Honestly, because of my fine china's high SMV, I couldn't become comforting or reassuring with her because she'll begin to see through the frame I've built so carefully around her and run off to someone else (when dealing with hotter women, because they can always find a more attractive man, frame control is paramount).

Now with my most loyal plate (only a HB6.5, but she'll come running at 3 AM with whipped cream, duck tape and chains) I can afford consolement and validation from time to time because she's earned it through her loyalty and the gap between our SMVs means she'll be fucking regardless of how many holes in my frame she might see.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Keep your frame and don't play her game. One way she wins is if her pussy "conquers" you. The other is if she pushes you to become so cold and hurtful that you're the obvious villian of the piece.

She's all about the drama, but beware teh crazy drama.

[–]Bearhardy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She is spending all day and night just thinking how to break OP down

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Absolutely hands down the best field report I've ever read.

This is a fucking model field report. You write clearly and provide analysis every step of the way. Newbies take note.

Also, I predict you will slay that pussy again easy. I predict that the second you show the slightest hint of empathy or "warmth" she'll run away like a cat that no longer wants to be petted.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

This means a lot. Thank you for your continued support.

[–]zikkitzo 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Short TRP prayer for Kevin: "Kevin, you cannot be shown. You must discover. Best of luck to my fellow man."

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[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Kevin" is just a character archetype I've used in my posts to refer to an everyday "nice-guy" beta male.

"WonderTits" is used as the typical girl most men develop oneitis for.

"Brenda" will be the next character archetype I'll be introducing in my next post. I have to do a bit of research for this particular post, so its taking me a bit longer than I anticipated.

[–]dinogj 19 points19 points [recovered]

I need to work on my poker face because I practically light up like a child on goddam Christmas when I get shit tested about other plates. You need to be brutally honest so she either drops out or you know you're in for a good time. I tend to take your approach quite a bit where ill just keep pushing the limits of what I allow her to know. If she walks, who cares, she's not what I wanted anyway.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Any woman that walks at the reality that 'maybe this guy is fucking other people and has options' is holding her pussy in too high of a regard and needs to be put in her place.

I think my dick is the greatest thing on God's green earth, but I'd be foolish to expect the world to agree with me on that (although the thought of having a global religion based around my dick does give me tingles).

[–]I_have_secrets 2 points3 points  (1 child)

...i would like to join said religion.

[–]systemshock869 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't give away your secrets just yet..

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 56 points57 points  (2 children)

and said she was terrified

We fear what we can't control, good on you OP.

I’ve become cold and brutal when it comes to the sexual

No you haven't. When you meet a cold sociopathic cunt you treat her like one - it's common sense.

Just like the fact that most women a cultural climate like ours produces will be sociopathic cunts.

Had all men been like you, Feminist would've never been able to fester & undermine our society.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Haha, you flatter me. Thank you.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Kind of amusing, most men default to the sate of "I didn't give her what she wanted, I'm a bad person". It takes some serious deprogramming to take the pussy off the pedestal.

OP treated her like a human being. Guess the feminists were right on this one.

[–]2Sepean 51 points52 points  (21 children)


I don't know if you were cold or brutal. You were honest. You had integrity. You could have lied to string her along or told her a comforting lie, but you just said it how it was.

It sounds like you're playing the game too much to really enjoy it though. Sex with an emotional connection is better than fucking someone you don't care about.

[–]BrunoOh 41 points42 points  (19 children)

It sounds like you're playing the game too much to really enjoy it though. Sex with an emotional connection is better than fucking someone you don't care about.

Spinning plates is a phase. Most people tend to do it while looking out for a decent girl and drop them eventually. The main reason we recommend to spin plates (or at least put you in a position where you could) is to develop abundance mentality, DGAF and other skills necessary in a relationship.

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[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 21 points22 points  (3 children)

My aim is to be a benevolent alpha - to have an emotional connection with all my plates while handling shit tests efficiently.


Why are there...so many, songs, about rainbows? And what's on the oottttther siiiiiiiide?


Do yourself a favor. Come over to the Dark Side. They don't want to be 'saved' by some 'emotional connection'. They want to get railed and left in the dirt.

Find that little piece of Captain Save-a-Ho' that is clinging to life inside of you, and Snuff.Him.Out.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Agreed. The best and quickest route is an objective/amoral one. This "benevolent alpha" your referring to seems to me like an alpha with beta tendencies.

[–]alloutofbubblegum22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Competition is obviously necessary and impossible to eradicate, but a complete lack of empathy and compassion for fellow man implies a perpetual Hammurabi code. We devolve into a mix and match of Peter Parkers, fight managers, robbers, Uncle Bens, and Spidermans. Now I didn't go to Oxford like George Bush but if group survival isn't prioritized you end up like Saw X: in the last room where the only guy with a key got his ticket punched a few turns ago.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Take it from a guy who tried that, it won't really end well. You say benevolent Alpha, but you'll end up a de-fanged, betafied Alpha. Hypergamy doesn't care about your benevolence.

Find a single woman to LTR up if you want her to give you female love and companionship. When you spin multiple girls you have to keep them at arms length by necessity.

[–]BrunoOh 6 points7 points  (11 children)

There's no such thing as being a benevolent alpha and spinning plates. You want to play patriarch - then go do that and wife one up. You can't leave girls better than you found them.

[–]kalstate 14 points15 points  (2 children)

You can't leave girls better than you found them.

Interesting. Can you elaborate? Not trolling--genuinely curious, because I always thought that any constructive relationship was better for both people, no matter how long (or short) the relationship lasts. Speaking as a guy, I am always fond of the memories, learning, growth, etc. I get from past relationships with friends or lovers.

[–]Shiningknight12[🍰] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The basic issue is that girls will develop feelings for you that you won't reciprocate.

By using game and fucking them, you are inevitably going to make them like you. They may not openly state it, but thats how women operate. However, they aren't worth entering an LTR so you won't reciprocate their feelings. This is going to leave them hurt and make it harder for them to develop long term relationships in the future.

[–]BrunoOh 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Casual sex adds to a man's life but subtracts from a woman's. With every new partner, a girl gets a little bit more jaded, loses some ability to pair bond and loses some of that playfulness.

Not to mention the time involved - ending up as a plate means she's a couple months or even years closer to the wall when you're done with her.

I guess you could capt-save-a-ho some girl and you would leave her better than you found her, but fuck that.

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[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Y'know. I'm not trying to break your balls here. Okay, I am, a little, but in a spirit of comradeship.

You see, your Uncle Vasily has been in this field of poppies for a looooong time. I get what you're after--because it used to be possible; I've seen it--but it only lives on in Fairy Tail Books (pun intended) now. It's a very treacherous path that you walk, and with a tiny bit of creeping doubt that NAWALT. It's that doubt--or dare I say, hope--that is the chink in the armor, the weakness, the unlatched gate through which the toxin seeps, the oneitis creeps...

Slowly the poison the whole bloodstream fills. The waste remains, the waste remains and kills.

And then you get it into your head that one of your plates is "special"....

Slowly the poison the whole bloodstream fills. The waste remains, the waste remains and kills.

And then you start doing things that you would never have done, otherwise....

Slowly the poison the whole bloodstream fills. The waste remains, the waste remains and kills.

And the next thing you know, you've woken up in a strange hotel room in a bathtub full of ice, and there's a note on the basin to call 911 as soon as you wake up. Except instead of missing a kidney, you're missing your heart, two-thirds or your frontal lobe, and a big chunk of your ass near where you kept your wallet.

Okay, you don't actually wake up in a motel room, but what happens is far worse--you're paying your ex-wife to fuck other guys and teach your kids to hate you. Kind of makes you wish you'd gotten the scalpel, instead....

And please, don't take any of this post the wrong way--do you think I want to be right about this shit? And yet I am, all the time. It's a burden, truly....awash in pure Nihilism....watching guys who caught feelings suddenly realize that there's nothing holding them up an then...."AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH! SPLAT!" 32 frames later. And it didn't have to be that way.

[–]NightGod -1 points0 points  (5 children)

You can't leave girls better than you found them.

Yes, you can. While they may initially seem worse off, they can rebound well and come back better than they were when you first met if you do it right.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 0 points1 point  (1 child)

While they may initially seem worse off, they can rebound well and come back better than they were when you first met if you do it right.

Well, maybe. That really only happens if you let them tag along on things that you like to do anyway, and then somehow benefit from it, like if you take them to see good art or something. But they are also likely to think that's a "date" and then that opens up a whole other set of problems...

[–]NightGod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a different philosophy. It's honestly a fair amount more work, but the advantage is, when you live in a small area like I do (and have various reasons outside of women that prevent you from moving), word gets around very quickly when you run through women at the rate you could in a larger city.

All a bit moot, as I'll be leaving the area soonish, but it's served me well for the past years.

[–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (2 children)

And then they are that much slower to pair bond the next guy... and then the next guy after that... and then the next guy after that...

Soon enough they are stereotypical CC riders looking for their exit with a BB after a decade of getting pumped and dumped.

[–]NightGod 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So your answer is....ruin their lives and dump them like trash?

I'm confused what you think you're arguing here.

[–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm simply arguing that it's impossible to leave a girl better than you found her. If she's on the cock carousel, each ride is going to leave her worse off than the last.

I'm not suggesting that you not take your turn either...

Have your fun, enjoy yourself. But don't mistakenly think that pumping and dumping a chick is somehow "for her long term happiness".

She's either going to fuck you or some other random guy (well, or 40 other guys), might as well be you.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Keeping a stern/emotionless face when talking about fucking, taboo topics or "plates" as if it's no big deal to you has had a huge effect on how I'm perceived (mostly positive and has ultimately helped in closing with women considered "out my league"). It's a "look" that comes with a solid frame, almost like you're looking through them and reading their minds (a frame destroyer, of sorts).

Some girls love it, some find it disconnected, distant or cold-hearted. Whatever they feel, the result is basically the same.

[–]1wakethfkupneo 13 points14 points  (1 child)

As cold and brutal as it sounds, this is the only type of Game that'll work on 'black widows'. The moment you slip a single beta ping, she'll eat you alive. Keep your shields up 24/7 and enjoy the show.

Relevant: How To Keep A Stripper Enamored Of You

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly with all attractive women you can't let your guard down. One sign of weakness and they'll flock like geese.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Woman concisely reward the shittiest behavior possible. They'll pick fights until you assert yourself. They'll play games until you force capitulation. Do yourself a favor and dont devote your life to pussy pumping. Have a girl or two around but focus on other things.

I find much more fulfilment giving 18 year olds fitness and nutrition advice than pumping a 30+ year old feminist cunt.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'll admit that skirt-chasing has taken up much more time throughout my week than it should be. I've reached a point of being sexually content yet I'm still pursuing women far beyond this need.

The thrill of the hunt, I suppose.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The thrill of the hunt has gotten more exciting to me than some of my plates who will fuck at a moment's notice. Is that the case for you as well?

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, in a way. I suppose I do it now because I can and couldn't couldnt do it before.

[–]Soriq 11 points12 points  (1 child)

That following evening, I’d assumed she bailed and that’d be the last I’d hear from her.

And miss out on being validated by the one guy who's been able to give her shit? No way. Earned validation by alphas will always be crack cocaine to women.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The more I understand the game and play it, the more enjoyable it becomes. Looking back, I still can't believe how much time I'd wasted worrying about one girl when I can get girls like this in a few hours just by being brutally honest.

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[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

In most cases it's like predicting the future. You know what a woman'll do/say/think/feel hours before they do and it feels amazing (sometimes I feel like the "Plate Whisperer").

[–]therealpkg 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Definitely gonna use that last description later and give you no credit. Thanks, OP.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 8 points9 points  (23 children)

been making a killing on dating sites after I got used to the type of approach it takes

Please go on. Online dating has such a low ROI compared to actually going up to women in the real world.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 13 points14 points  (15 children)

I'm currently working on a much longer posts that'll deal with why this occurs and the best ways I've found to combat it.

The success rate on basic DS like PoF and Badoo has been roughly 65% of "matches" that I'm attracted to (which is pretty high, considering), but Tinder... Tinder is a bit tougher. Women treat Tinder like Validations-R-Us so its tough to formulate a strategy around it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 4 points5 points  (14 children)

Quickly: Do you think it mostly has to do with your pics, or is it what's in your profile and how you approach?

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 17 points18 points  (13 children)

Pictures, big time. Pro Tip: upload pictures of you with attractive women. Whether or not you actually fucked the girl in the picture, women will associate you as a "player" or someone just there for sex. That's the must way to get the "fuck buddy" message request.

Also, don't flash money or high value items. That (in my experience) makes arguing the "just fucking" card much harder because she sees provider potential in you.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 9 points10 points  (10 children)

True. Pictures with women help a lot IMO. Also, pictures doing fun and exciting shit work too. Skydiving, riding a motorcycle, chopping wood, etc.

Also, short and sweet in the profile descriptions with things that make them laugh.

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[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I'm from Seattle, do you not think I know about wood?

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[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 5 points6 points  (3 children)

No. I enjoy chopping wood. It's fun with an axe and a great workout, and even more fun with a chainsaw. Women also love it.

[–]Bathes_In_The_Styx 6 points7 points  (2 children)

All of your points make sense, and yet I'm still laughing at the prospect of someone chopping wood in a tinder pic.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Where I'm from chopping wood is a euphemism for masturbation.

In that sense I suppose it could be considered fun.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you have the body for it, shirtless is always the way to go. ONS and Prospects flock to that.

[–]whatyearisthisagain 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I actually remember reading one of the OK cupid studies, where it showed that women were predominantly more responsive to men who had images of themselves which figured other women as well.

What was especially significant is if the women in the photo was looking at the man with a smile.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Or rather, the woman seems genuinely happy around the guy.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not that it's so much a poor ROI, it's that it's a hard filter against the bottom 80%. If you're in the top 20%, you're in more demand than you'd be in real life. Girls see that you check off most of their checkboxes without learning anything of your personality and they get the tingles.

You need to be a 7-8 in looks at the minimum. Pair that with strong online game and you can go barrel-fishing for sluts.

[–]HeinousFu_kery -1 points0 points  (5 children)

It is enormously successful for men who write well. It's also a good filter - I had any number of women say "I'm going to need a dictionary to talk to you".


[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 11 points12 points  (4 children)

If you think well written, deep, long profiles get you laid online, I've goit some land to sell you.

[–]HeinousFu_kery 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Deep essays are a waste of time and make you sound like you haven't got anything else going on.

On the other hand, literate indications of why I might be interesting - written in complete sentences - worked out very well for me. Possibly because so few others bother. And the filter thing saved me a lot of time.

Probably not for the Tinder/ "What uP Gurl!" universe, but then I'm older.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He's right, they don't. Shorter the better.

[–]andru201 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Mine just states '193cm'. Does the trick.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's 6'4 for us Imperial folks.

[–]Keninishna 8 points9 points  (1 child)

These women are tough, but fun to fuck but alltogether not worth it imo.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Eh, I think it's something in the middle. Like bowling, women/fucking can be fun, but there are many things of greater importance out there.

[–]longerdistance 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Have you ever heard of a validation vacuum? It's the essence of negs: identify her ego and deny it. Boom! validation vacuum created. She will now chase your validation until the vacuum is filled again. As we all know, need is attraction, and this creates the need for validation in her.

This entire post can be read as two people doing their best to create as many of these vacuums in the other as possible, trying to have the other person cave fist and start to chase. Think about it, there are many instances where you created attraction doing this.

She does it to you too. You wanted to hit up plate #3 but your ego made you stay, because conquering her would represent validation.

Now here's the crux. If you want sex from this girl, you're supposed to fill the vacuum you create with sex! This will make her associate the thrill of validation with fucking you and create an intense and addicting experience she associates with you.

You point this out yourself, your last line might have been too harsh. There was very little validation there and it's possible you shattered her hopes of ever getting the validation she wants. She did her best and it wasn't enough, so she might just give up and try to heal her ego without you.

Or she might come back. The vacuum is still there and since action follows emotion she might eventually rationalize coming for a round two. I'd just like you to be aware of this dynamic so that you can use it more to your advantage.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The concept you've presented of a validation vacuum is a very interesting and enlightening one. Thank you for your quick summary.

[–]Iplaychesssometimes 8 points9 points  (1 child)

That's a good story- rp'ers eat that shit up

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Only the best eats for my dear RP family. I'd be lost without this community. These posts are as my give-back for enlightenment.

[–]Venicedreaming 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Damn, you talk like a veteran who had seen the worst of war

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have. If you haven't yet, read "Cubic v. Diamond" and you'll understand the war it took for me to get to this point.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well written and engaging. Like chick-lit for men. I enjoyed that a lot, thanks for sharing.

[–]CumForJesus 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You make me think of a girl "friend" (aka a girl i'm staying with to study her reactions and shit at school). Definitely an alpha woman fucking many men and loving two. And she's just 17. The conversation you had could be one she had with the guy she loves the most if she was more honest. I see why she loves him so much now. It's a game the man must win because the shit tests are legendary level

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What's scary is that if she'd ran that same game on me a few months earlier, I'd have succumbed to it in a heartbeat. It's like watching a recording of you unknowingly and narrowly escaping death by seconds.

[–]C00l_Guy 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You did nothing wrong that 'black widow' was a complete and utter nutjob.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Based on that notion there are a ton of nutty women out there. Solid point.

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"The worst part about it is that she was right. I’ve become cold and brutal when it comes to the sexual agenda. What I once worked on by reading RP blogs and books has now become a part of my very being. I felt nothing for this woman, no remorse as she left and I wouldn’t care if I never fucked her again. And that’s just who I am now. It’s eerie; I can hear my past self whispering in these types of situations, but it’s like listening to a child comment on what he thinks he knows while looking over the shoulder of a man working. It’s both calming and terrifying, and I know that she felt it. " - Comical, as if you acted in any way warm you would have lost the game haha there really is no winning.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'll take meaningless sex over emotional release any day. Being amoral at heart makes stoicism second nature. I play to my strengths.

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bro gonna hang a portrait of you on my mantle. shit i don't have a mantle.

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Keep it up. This woman will never be long term material but a great plate. The only problem i see is that she may be more trouble than she is worth.

I would not keep her more than a few months.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This woman is dangerous yet alluring, like the spy women from the old James Bond movies or Anne Hathaway's Catwoman.

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"The worst part about it is that she was right. I’ve become cold and brutal when it comes to the sexual agenda."

Are you playing the game, or is the game playing you?

[–]Luckyluke23 4 points5 points  (0 children)

yeah... this is how you have to be to get laid these days...

great post man. I love how in-depth it is. I could use some more frame control when i run game.

[–]frankgold 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Welcome to the dark triad! It is actually the best part. Not giving a shit! :D

[–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women want men to feel bad being entitled to sex.

We are.

Women don't want to feel bad for being entitled to controlling men using their pussy. You don't have to be and if other men are, I guess she can go fuck them while you fuck your regular plates.

[–]CyberFi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Really OmLaLa? Really though?

Look I very much admire how you held frame and handled the situation. And as others have pointed out this is a very well written field report.

But really why bother? What exactly did you gain by bedding this woman besides a sense of accomplishment? Was she a target of value? is her father a high ranking player in your particular field/career? Or was she just a very pretty girl? Because (unless your current primary focus is to seduce women as a personal challenge (which by the way don't get me wrong, is a completely valid activity)) then in my opinion this whole psychological dance you shared was just a waste of valuable free time. As you've said: "what makes [her] pussy so special"

Personally I would've just left when I realized she wasnt gonna make it easy, or as easy as it usually should be when a regular girl interacts with a RP. You mentioned you had a free Sunday afternoon, use it wisely because free time never is. Dedicate it towards your end-goal.

Again, Perhaps this is just the way I perceived the situation. But I believe achieving true self-sufficiency just converts sex into an activity to blow off steam and a distraction to avoid burning out with the stress of climbing towards the machiavellian lifestyle.

On a side node: I've read a multitude of your posts. and I can tell that the character you've sculpted throughout your journey would cause the majority of women you meet to fall head over heels in love in less than a conversation. What was the motivation to follow through in this particular situation? If I were in your shoes I'd bail at the first hint of manipulation, or immediately after "she started to ramble on and on about all of these kinky, debaucherous things she’d done".

[–]awfukbye 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Coldest man she's ever met may be, but she was still 10x colder than you.

[–]garlicextract 9 points10 points  (2 children)

OmLaLa? Isn't this guy who wrote the "Cubic v. Diamond" FR about the SuperAlpha Chad ThunderC0ckSquared who totally shat on him and banged all his plates? And now he's writing as if he's the One True Alpha God whos frame has never been undone by anyone, ever? Doesn't quite add up.

OP you're a good writer though, I'll give you that much.

[–]d8_thc 7 points8 points  (0 children)

17 days ago he started his journey into monk mode, according to a previous post about dropping a relationship to become more AF.

This is RP fan fiction.

He can write though.

[–]iLLprincipLeS 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This is the first time I'm posting here. All my life I've been pretty BP but not long ago, I discovered TRP and started applying it's principles into my own life with the results I always desired. Consider this a "field report" of that progress, with a valuable lesson inside:

So, recently I had this new Tinder match.A 27 year-old girl, I would say a solid 7, maybe 8. I'm 23 and always had a thing for older women, so this is especially interesting for me. We chat a little, girls gives me her number, we go out on a date and everything it's fine. I hold frame, the date goes amazingly well. Along the conversation, she pulls out the first "sexual" topic, saying that she has a friend that can't use latex condoms, I tell her about one day that a specific brand made my dick sore and we both laugh... Throught the day, I tell her about my ex-girlfriend (who was a nymph) and she finds these stories amusing; Then I start talking her about my desire to go into a "kinky hotel". She doesn't freak out, but she states that she doesn't like hotels.

Something's off though... This girl and I had a sexual conversation right from the beginning, but also she seems so childish for me (the date was to an anime convention, she chose.) and she says she doesn't like hotels, like "they are for whores", hummm....

Ok, so we follow through the day and at the end, I decide to escalate and kiss her. She backs off and says kinda loudly: "Noooo!,wait!!!" And goes away. I get home thinking that I failed, but then I remember what TRP has taught me:

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I am trying to focus on quality over quantity with my posts; I'll only post a story like this if there's a lesson to be learned.

Demolishing her morale was the correct route imo, but felt unnecessary.

[–]iLLprincipLeS 1 point2 points  (1 child)

In an upcoming essay I’ll be exploring the deeper reasons why Blank-Slate Equalism is so difficult to purge from our present-day social order. However, I need to detail a bit of this now. We live in a feminine-primary social order (the Gynocracy), but without the Blank-Slate much of the preconception of it collapse. One reason Blank-Slate Equalism remains a social norm (despite a world of empirical proof that destroys it) is because it serves to disguise the ugly realities of a sexual marketplace defined by human evolution. Particularly so in an age of expanding SMP globalism. It’s not just culture, politics, ideology and socioeconomic considerations that are tied to globalization; a global scale sexual marketplace is following among all of this.

In the age of global mass communication our localized (tribal) SMPs are replaced with a global standard. That global standard destroys the old local SMPs, but it also selects-out the men who don’t measure up to its standards. This is something I think most MGTOWs and all Incels instinctively know: according to the global SMP selection criteria there are some men who will simply not be selected-for. If the Black Pill 101 video about how Asian women don’t select Asian men for mating opportunities is any indicator, I think Asian and Indian men are facing this head on today.

Now, I expect the first rebuttal to this proposition will be that the present, global SMP is a reflection of Westernized beauty standards and horribly distorted expectations. Asian/Indian men seem to want nothing to do with the native women who are ruthless in expressing that they want nothing to do with them. What globalized demographic is really left for these men? The same might be said about socially inept white men seeking an easier sexual marketplace in Asian women. All of this is simple deductive adaptations men will naturally resort to when it comes to solving the problems of sex and reproduction.

I’m totally accepting that there is a societal influence in all of this. However, I think the incentives to look into the opportunities that a larger global SMP offers is still based on Darwinistic principles. Even Western romanticism is still founded upon natural female arousal cues that define the larger SMP. The global SMP is rooted in the naturalistic, evolved (not socialized) elements that trigger arousal, incentivize parental investment and play off women’s dualistic sexual strategies (Alpha Seed/Beta Need).

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha your description of that oil painting was beautiful.

I'm working on a special something for my online dating post. It's not a painting, but it'll enlighten a lot of RPers.

[–]cariboo_j 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Excellent post. Pre-TRP I would have found women like this mysterious, complex, exciting. Now that the dynamics have been explained, it's rather disappointing.

I wonder if it ever gets old though, phishing for validation through convoluted mind games. Not that there will ever be a shortage of men willing to indulge her... well at least until she hits the wall.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Learning the science behind a butterfly takes away its majesty. That's what I aim to accomplish here on TRP when it comes to pussy and pedestals.

[–]F_Dingo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Great post, tone it down (with the parenthesis) next time though, made it slightly difficult to read/follow.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you and I agree. I'll work on that for the next post.

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[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

These truly are dark times, my friend.

[–]Viklove 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is a fantastic work of fiction. Bravo.

[–]Killeurkilleur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Got any more of dem fake stories bruh...

[–]Lpcoppo 9 points10 points  (2 children)

So when's the complete work of fictional stories coming out? Hilarious! Truly, a work of art.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Haha, I assure you it isn't fiction. I write these posts in a way that makes them or enjoyable to read and easier to digest.

[–]EmperorAurelius 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I want to be like you. God damn.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just take your time, read the sidebar, read the posts and you'll begin internalizing it all before you know it.

Something I'd suggest to build plate count/abundance mentality is dating sites. 2 of my current plates and a ton of ONS I've met through my computer screen.

And knowing that no matter how a bad a date/prospect interview goes, you have a reliable supply of sex makes any approach a cakewalk.

[–]hebola4lyfe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You need to write your own book. Amazing read .

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, maybe one day if someone can find me a decent publisher. Thank you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I bet if you contacted her down the road like no big deal she'll be right there. Maintain frame. Calling you cold is another test. Don't assume it's all bad.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Haha funny you mention that, she's on her way now (it's roughly 12:30 AM here; she's late but with solid excuse so I'll let it slide). She says she's pissed about last night, she'd been pissed about it all day and couldn't she sleep until she got it off her chest.

I'm making an iTunes playlist for the occasion.

[–]JoeWim 2 points2 points [recovered]

What I once worked on by reading RP blogs and books has become part of me...

This is the goal in the end, is it not? The whole fake it 'til you make it mentality to eventually become RP without having to pretend. It seems like you've made it through the pill a better man.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I still have some other things that need addressing before I can truly say I've "swallowed the pill". Sex was just one aspect of my life I wanted to work on.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The worst part about it is that she was right. I’ve become cold and brutal when it comes to the sexual agenda.

That's actually the best part.

What I once worked on by reading RP blogs and books has now become a part of my very being. I felt nothing for this woman, no remorse as she left and I wouldn’t care if I never fucked her again. And that’s just who I am now. It’s eerie; I can hear my past self whispering in these types of situations, but it’s like listening to a child comment on what he thinks he knows while looking over the shoulder of a man working. It’s both calming and terrifying, and I know that she felt it.

You have unlocked the achievement of Dark Enlightenment.


[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And this is why I've unofficially been dubbed OmLaLa the Machiavellian (patent pending).

[–]ECoast_Man 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Nice, great FR.

The last line was maybe little over the top, but fuck it. Who am I to judge? Nice one.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Haha honestly I feel like some of my (bracketed) lines are over the top too, but I think they're humorous enough to get by.

[–]ECoast_Man 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I read ya man.

I've actually become quote blunt myself because I just don't give a fuck anymore to be honest. I think it's generally the way to go once you've fully applied abundance mentality.

[–]aptway 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Careful man, you might be fucking a Lucifer's Daughter.

[–]TheLolomancer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, he's not. Those girls get dramatic. This one just got offended. She'll be back.

[–]Jokoran 1 point2 points  (1 child)

She'll be back. Very well done.

Oh and (you should) stop writing (like this).

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She's already came and left again.

And (brackets) are part of my writing prose. They can get chaotic at times, but they aid in lightening the subject matter.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

" She then stood up, turned way and unflinchingly walked out the door."

She should pay for her drink!

[–]creatinekunt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

One of the finest field reports I've ever read. Take a fucking bow son.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you haha, you're too kind.

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[–]tropicalfire 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Were you always so cold or you became so? It's actually my dream to become like you, coming from a state of empathy and emotions that ruined my life so far.

Do you have any tips?

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Attractiveness is the biggest step. That's typically why people encourage lifting first. From there it's abundance mentality from spinning plates.

If you can remain completely objective while working on your abundance mentality you'll end up like me. If you truly understand AWALT, there are no unicorns, pussy has no value , etc. it becomes much easier to incorporate.

Some struggle with this type of mentality because "feeling bad" and "feeling guilty" or "feeling like you're using her" must be removed from the equation.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was not always what you'd consider 'cold'. I had my ego shattered back in college and developed this objective/amoral personality from there.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I felt nothing for this woman, no remorse as she left and I wouldn’t care if I never fucked her again.

If you're surrounded by salesmen pushing bad deals, you don't feel bad for saying "no."

[–]A_Becker 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I'm extremely naive here but I have a hard time believing that all women (or even most women) are like this. Perhaps I just haven't gotten out enough, or perhaps I'm to "beta", as it were, but the only women who act that way are the ones begging for trivial sex, not the ones that are truly interested in relationships. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, does anyone else feel like RP has moved from an 'anti-feminist', 'stop-letting-women-push-you-around-just-because-the-legal-system-is-screwed-up-and-completely-rigged-for-women' group to a sexist, "lel. i had sex with 38 virgins last night! but i was like 'no sex was ok but im 2 alpha for you'". Perhaps that's my shortsightedness taking hold.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Even the women you believe are only interested in a deep, emotional relationship will have meaningless sex in a back aley for the right guy. AWALT.

You've described two groups that are not RP at all. The "stop-letting-women-push-you-around" group would be MGTOW and the "lel 38 virgins" group would be seddit or PUA.

I suggest reading the sidebar for a clearer understanding of what TRP stands for.

[–]A_Becker 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I see what you're saying. So you're saying that AWALT? I only assumed that slutty women were like that.

Also, I've read over those and I agree with a lot of it. But the people on the sub seem to have devolved into sex mongers with no true purpose in life besides sex with as many women as possible. Quite odd, truthfully.

Regardless, thank you for answering sanely.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

RPers focus on the sex aspect of TRP because it's one of the harder feminist ideologies to break.

It's easy to focus on things like working harder, lifting to become more attractive and improving you social presentation because they are only reliant on you as the individual and are supported by beliefs we've grown up with (i.e. hot guys get hot girls, deligence gets good jobs, etc).

Sex, multiple sexual partners and not adhering to women is more challenging because our society has defined these acts as "immoral" or "bad" or "manipulative". Going against society is always the harder route and there's no communal support for polygamous/Machiavellian acts outside of TRP.

[–]A_Becker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very insightful.

Though I don't intend to focus on having sex with as many different women as I can, I at least understand why there is such a large influx of posts like that every time I visit TRP.

Thank you for your response.

Also, don't worry about all the parentheses you use. I do that as well.

[–]brandonmajor83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

AHHHHHH, that shit gave me life, I need to be more heartless like you, that's how you get respect

[–]Mihawk01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The worst part about it is that she was right. I’ve become cold and brutal when it comes to the sexual agenda.

You mean the best part, right? As in not being pussy whipped along just like every other loser is, standing your ground, fucking all those other bitches just like they should be fucked, not being played about by random sluts, etc, etc, etc.

You are becoming a man, be fucking proud of it. Wear it like a fucking badge of honor everywhere.

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[–]www777com 2 points2 points [recovered]

In hind-sight, I don't think it was a matter of what you said was too deep but rather just insulting. You reduced her to a vagina, you reduced the other women to just numbers and basically said you like the other flavors better than hers. That's why she said you were cold. You could, in hind-sight, said the same thing without the insults: "The sex was a lot of fun, but not worth deny myself the fun I have with others. I like chocolate, but I still like vanilla and strawberry." Here she'll focus on the point you made rather than the insult in the original. I'm just speculatively critiquing after the fact here, so I'm not calling you out or anything; I enjoyed the post. It would have been interesting to see what the outcome would have been if you said something like, "That was a lot of fun, but it takes more than sex to be relationship-worthy."

[–]Xzal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In simple words; Rpillers sometimes forget to sugarcoat things for other people. :D

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This reads like a parody of TRP. I'm not sure I buy it 100%

[–]the_red_scimitar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have similar online strategies, particularly about nexting those who are playing the wrong kinds of games.

I ensure, right in my profile, and with plenty of fanfare, that any prospect knows I actively "date" others, and that exclusivity is not an option. This has not really slowed down anything, but it has weeded out the soulmate-hunters. (Well, mostly - I get messages from this type maybe once a month, who somehow think it would be different with them. One recently said, "one date with me and you won't want anybody else." If it had been in person, I would have been unable to prevent laughing in her face. And I would have not felt at all bad for doing so.)

I've even sent them pictures of other plates. And this has been well-received, actually.

On the flaking-as-shit-test thing, there's one worse than the 30-minute cancellation - the one that's 15+ minute late, with no text or other communication. I consider it worse because they know they will be late, and don't have enough respect to let you know.

I've always handled this by waiting exactly 15-20 minutes maximum, and, if they show up, letting them know they were disrespectful, and exactly how they were. Quietly, but immediately upon meeting them, and right in whatever place we were to meet. No anger - absolutely stoic. This is, imo, frame. The lateness is a shit-test to see if you'll accept the shenanigans, and you should not.

I've had to do this 3 times, and each time, the reaction was the same: no push-back. They were exactly called on their shit. The response is always to look down, display chagrin. Which I don't care about at all, as once I know they got it, I'm out. I figure maybe that bit of training will help out the next poor chump.

[–]FuriousMouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This woman can't stand not being in control of every and all situations and it sounds like she has a control obsession.

She never wanted to be your plate, this whole thing was just a test for her to see if she had what it took to reel you in to her orbit. That was her game.

She is damaged goods.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For a little context, what are your respective ages?

[–]Knownformadness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You serm to have convinced yourself that sex is just a play, yet you feel bad for her father when she tells her kinky past. The equation doesnt hold. You either have double standards or that was just what u said to her, to me it is unclear.

In a skeptic, biological perception of sexual morality, for men, spreading your seed and conquering a woman is both pleasure and accomplishment. For women, admitting your body to a man without benefits like commitment or resources is a deficit.

When it comes to a woman, she might be the best frame you ever met but a real black mamba would not fall for a simple end-of-the-charade "were fucking tonight" and direct abundance display " I have these many other bitches". Considering she tried to convince herself of her own special snowflake ideal, she indicates a low self-esteem and perhaps not such a strong frame afterall. Still, its less about the words and more about the body language, where you might have done the superb act needed to catch a black mamba after all. In any case, good work, nice catch, an interesting read.

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this post is the reason I still come to TRP. 10/10 well done

[–]Tarnsman4Life -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Diva believed sex was this special magical wondrous thing that only people who truly cared deeply about one another could enjoy and that she valued herself too highly to have sex with just anyone.

She is a high value woman who seems to not be hitting the CC too hard; she wants some good toe curling orgasms from Alpha Cock but doesn't want to hurt her long term value by racking up a 100+ partner count. Makes sense. One of my plates is like this, claims she had 3 partners before me, found out from her friends and brother it is more like 10 but given that she is 30 thats not a bad count at all. Quality comes with a cost, in this case the cost is an unbreakable frame.

[–]DemMorningWoods -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why are people up voting this bullshit??

This type of behaviour that you propose doesnt scale... A plate's desired lifespan is between 2 to 6 months. If you kick it off like this, and since she looks like a proper playa, you will either fuck her 2/3 times or she will drag you down into an abusive couple of month affair where you will fight all the time, be drained and loose the rest of your plates as a consequence.

Its about understanding what deep down makes women tick... But are we really going to be oblivious to the point of believing that we can just drop all types of horse shit into a woman and she will just eat it up and appreciate it? You have to plant good seeds in life to have a good crop.

Spinning plates is an unspoken uncommunicated form of art. You have to command respect and lead, put her in a place where she looks up to you, and doesn't want to stir up the waters, i.e., drive you away by bringing up dodgy subjects.

Women prefer to share an alpha than having a pussy boy all for themselves. But all this has to come from a place of respect...

[–]DemMorningWoods -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is a huge embarrassment for trp that this story made it to top of the week.

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