I'm beta, and I'm angry (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Buddhist_Nudist

[–][deleted] 356 points357 points  (24 children)

Your anger is valid, but know that it will pass. You have been played and you have been lied to your whole life about women. However, the first thing you need to do is take responsibility for your part in the charade. You are a man have to take responsibility and grab life by the horns. Don't play the victim. "Poor me, women have been using me". Only women act like helpless victims. Man up and start improving yourself and eventually you'll just see women as people with desires and needs they want met just like yourself, but different. And you'll know how to satisfy their needs, and yours. Then you won't be angry. Good luck.

[–]SoldierGenerale 65 points66 points  (7 children)

Yup, this is the best advice.

Once you start living the life you want to live on your own terms, that's when you stop being angry.

It's hard to be angry at girls when they're sucking your dick and licking your balls.

Start off by learning game and progress from there. Don't become jaded and butthurt. The world simply is what it is, the only thing you can do is accept it.

[–]Qwak_Stylez 4 points5 points  (4 children)

What's the best resource for a newbie to start learning game? I've been trying to approach more and I'm fine with the rejection. Been lifting a few months and seen the interest level rise for sure. But I have terrible game.

[–]SoldierGenerale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You need wings.

I tried to game for several weeks without any and I just barely progressed.

Then I bumped into people who were better than me and learning from them I sky-rocketed.

I'd recommend checking out any rsd inner-circle groups in your city.

[–]abcd_z 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Here. It's a compilation of the best PUA posts from the old mASF forum (now defunct) and a few other places. Start with the Newbie Method, go out and make cold approaches, and spend 2-4 hours in-field for every hour you spend reading.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hijacking this comment for visibility;

OP, check near the bottom of this post. A Mod has commented

OP, could you please take the link to nofap out of your post, as we have a strict no linking to outside subreddits rule. If not, I will have to remove your thread.

By now I think the axe is millimetres from the neck of this post. The Mods here fuck around even less than they do on the rest of the Internet.

[–]Qwak_Stylez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, thats awesome. Thank you!

[–]Redups 43 points44 points  (6 children)

Also try to remember that most women don't evaluate and manipulate you consciously.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 67 points68 points  (5 children)

Yeah. It's so natural and organic to them. When I talk about innate female Machiavellianism I refer to it as "instinctual Machiavellianism." All women are manipulative, but what they do is so subconsciously organic that it is devoid of the malice one would associate with calculativeness. To be calculating is what I call to be "rationally Machiavellian" or otherwise consciously strategic. This is the type of Machiavellianism men employ (because we don't have an innate instinct for it, we have to learn it to defend ourselves.) Women can employ rational Machiavellianism too, but they tend to do so with lesser frequency. To explain this with an image: man manipulates like he's playing chess, woman manipulates with herself: her body (sex appeal) and her personality (friendliness, sweetness.) There are distinct differences in style.

Generally speaking the more fucked up the woman, the more calculativeness there is on top of her innate proclivity to manipulate men. But young fresh girls who weren't taught to calculate and actively control men from a young age by their single mothers? They don't do that. How they act and how they manipulate is an instinct, it's completely organic, it's no more malicious than a frightened snake would bite you. It's part of her survival instinct, it simply "is."

Man has to be able to distinguish between "innate female manipulation" and "calculated manipulation" when dealing with a woman. Some women employ only the prior, but growingly in this toxic culture of ours, many are beginning to employ the latter. Women who employ the latter are generally speaking, bad news - and begin to fit the descriptions as outlined here: http://illimitablemen.com/2014/02/17/lucifers-daughter/

[–]bertmaklinFBI 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Generally speaking the more fucked up the woman, the more calculativeness there is on top of her innate proclivity to manipulate men.

Is it a natural proclivity to manipulate or is it that men are easy to manipulate when it comes to women? So by natural selection it becomes a successful mating strategy.

Typically the best looking women and/or sluts are usually the best at "manipulating" (I hate using this word because it greatly reduces male agency in this conversation) since they have the the most practice to hone their skill. Think about how many men get convinced strippers or hookers actually like them while handing over money?

Edit: Format/spelling

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is it a natural proclivity to manipulate or is it that men are easy to manipulate when it comes to women?

In my opinion, both.

Think about how many men get convinced strippers or hookers actually like them while handing over money?

It's easy to sell a belief to someone who wants to believe regardless of truth. These girls know these guys would love it if the girls actually like them "for them" (delusion/ego based) so the women "service that need" as part of the overall service. That, and it keeps the guy returning and spending more. The funny thing is, these girls start complaining when the guy gets too obsessed, even though they're leading him on for his money.

From what I know, strippers and women with high notch counts are in the market of manipulating men consciously and without mercy. They combine their innate Machiavellianism with rational Machiavellianism in tandem.

[–]Super-Saiyajin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At least with hookers you are getting sex in exchange for your money! Too many men give up all their money and get nothing in exchange!

[–]Shiningknight12 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is it a natural proclivity to manipulate or is it that men are easy to manipulate when it comes to women? So by natural selection it becomes a successful mating strategy.

Women manipulate each other too, hard. Guys just don't notice it as much.

However, this manipulation is very important to you. If her friends do not like you, you have no hope of a good relationship with a girl.

[–]bertmaklinFBI -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Of course they do. But I don't think women have an innate ability to manipulate better than a man (emotions are a liability in this case). I think social training and biological assets enable women (generalizing) to become more adept at it then men.

[–]Kyuzo_ 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This. Start lifting if you don't already.

[–]bertmaklinFBI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wasting countless hours and money, serving as these stupid fucking bitches emotional tampons, thinking that one day my good behavior would be rewarded.

Your advice is spot on. I think some people miss that point when they first start. It was never him not in control. He was always responsible and making decisions. His strategy just sucked because he didn't know there were alternatives.

[–]rdesktop7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Playing the victim is frustratingly easy to do, isn't it? That is a difficult phase to escape from.

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (2 children)

Protip: Take the anger out on some heavy ass fucking irons.

Irons never lie to you.

[–]Ek70R 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Irons are the ultimate Zen Masters they make you strong in mind and body

[–]freethinker34 185 points186 points  (3 children)

The anger phase is natural, and sometimes lasts for quite awhile. Once you are truly enlightened, you will no longer be angry, and instead embrace women for what they are. We are all humans, and all humans have sexual reproductive strategies that are not necessarily moral, but designed to create the fittest offspring with the greatest chance of survival and success in the modern world. Women are not mean, vile, and evil creatures. They are programmed by nature to filter out weak men. Sexual attraction and womens actions, whether it be their shit tests, alpha fucks, beta bucks, hamstering, etc is all instinctual. Attraction is not a choice

Think of it this way, when you see a nice pair of tits and a great ass, and a woman spreading her pussy, youre not thinking logically about wanting to fuck her, you just know you want to fuck her. When you see a disgusting fat granny nude in the same way you are instinctively repulsed, its not a choice but your mind and body telling you that she is infertile and that you are making a poor choice.

Similarly, when women find a man who is confident, strong, attractive, and of high status who makes them feel safe and protected, they generate feelings of attraction and want to be pounded by the man's cock. However when they run into a whiny beta with problems and no self esteem who is always available at their beckoning, their pussy dries up. Low status and weakness in men is as unattractive to women as obesity and old age in women is unattractive to men. Remember that, and transform yourself into the best version of you that there can be. You will then learn to appreciate the nature of women, as harsh as it may be.

[–]madrealworld 27 points28 points  (2 children)

OP, if youre going to read only one comment in here let it be this one^

[–]Triple_Overdrive 90 points91 points  (6 children)

I love how people call this a hateful sub yet everyone has been nothing but warm and welcoming to this new person...

[–]redpillersinparis 12 points13 points  (1 child)

He is not disagreeing with the ideology here, he is enforcing it, why would we be hateful towards him?

[–]GuruDev1000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True. But the comments aren't being hateful towards women either.

[–]hatertauts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The mark of our kindness is not how we treat those who agree, but those who do not.

[–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

also, no-one is saying anything derogatory about women - just that both genders are irrational and somewhat amoral in their own, distinctive ways. i find this sub one of the most most useful to my real life.

[–]RP_Vergil 84 points85 points  (10 children)

Grab a seat. The show is only about to begin.

Edit : oh and be prepared to make a TRP exclusive account else risk getting banned commenting in other sub reddits.

[–]greatGoD67 32 points33 points  (5 children)

Alternatively, wear it as a badge of honor. Make an alt to go to the thought police's subreddits. You dont always have to hide what you believe in just because someone else doesn't like it.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

He heh i'm usinb this account everywhere. It's fun when someone checks your history, in an argument, and starts to spin the hamster so fast that all logic falls in itself and create a logics singularity that lets nothing to escape out of it. And so they proceed to downvote about 10-20 previous comments you have on other subs, regardless of the topic. :D sometimes they call friends as well.

[–]Nazrath2112 3 points4 points  (1 child)

True enough, I take a negative comment karma as doing the job. In fact once I start to get positive karma I start stirring shit up in other subreddits. Truthfully I didnt start getting positive karma until I started posting in TRP.

[–]Nazrath2112 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Fuck that throwaway bull shit. Be a man and own your posts just like you own your life. Throwaways are beta bullshit.

[–]anibustr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh I would LOVE to get banned from other subreddits because of commenting here.

No need to shop for salt anymore.

[–]prodigyx 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I highly recommend getting banned from other sub reddits. The ones that will ban you because of TRP are all complete garbage anyways. Time wasters. And throwaways are time wasters for people who care about imaginary internet points.

[–]Buddhist_Nudist[S] 32 points33 points  (6 children)

You're right. It's evolutionary psychology. These people are not consciously using me. I will take responsibility for allowing them to walk all over me by stopping it forever. I will finally be my own man. I just had to get it off my chest. No one I've talked to about this in real life seems to care or understand. It's incredible that there's a whole community dedicated to this.

[–]OrbitalThrownaway 26 points26 points [recovered]

These people are not consciously using me

Yeah, you're wrong here. Women are aware of so much more than you think. They're not merely adhering to their biological programming. They know what they are doing. They simply adjust their worldviews to fit their feelings to justify their actions.

It is almost always a conscious act.

[–]Bellum00 19 points19 points [recovered]

Once had a traditional Romanian girl tell me that women divide men into three categories: a good lover, a good father and a good husband. They know.

Years later she also thanked me for causing the break of her relationship (with her long distance Alpha), because she realized what she was missing (Beta) and settled down (before the Wall). Not only do they know, they actively reflect on it.

Broke up with a Russian-Australian girl and a Hungarian girl and what they said was very interesting: First said "you've disappointed me time and time again, but I'll give you this: the sex never bored me these two years, and that's saying something". The second sighed and said "I'll never have a prettier boyfriend". These are some cold, hard words coming from women you loved: not the relationship, not all you build and experienced together... just your dick and it's life support system.

[–]grewapair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a former friend, master user of men. I was only friends with her to see how she does it.

She goes on Tinder and forces guys to buy her expensive dinners on the first date, then never sees them again.

She sees it like using the bathroom at McDonald's when on a car trip. Something that she's sort of entitled to because everyone is so willing to provide it. She knows she's using something and providing nothing in return, but because it's socially acceptable, there's nothing wrong with it.

[–]VikingOverlorde 6 points7 points  (0 children)

One thing I can stress is not to take everything literally-TRP has applications and it will help your life insomuch as it builds your confidence, increases your sex appeal, and makes you not a needy loser, but it is not science. There's a lot of great info here, and a lot of angry "every woman is a nasty whore" posts and generalizations too. You have to sift through it and realize not to take everything completely seriously.

I remember being 21 when the PUA show came out on VH1. I read The Game etc. and it taught me a lot, and I learned about not being needy, and talking about interesting things, and dressing well. It didn't turn me into a playboy at the time, but it gave me much more success than before and was definitely a "oh, I've been doing this all wrong" moment. TRP and pickup will do the same for you.

[–]Saminess 32 points33 points  (7 children)

It's normal to feel like you do. You HAVE been lied to. You HAVE been ridiculed your whole life. Be thankful you even found TRP at all. 95% of men go through their whole lives, jumping through the hoops and following the pack. You are now set apart.

It won't be easy. Lift. Eat right. LOVE YOURSELF. Welcome.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Crucial clarification;

LOVE YOURSELF, for improving, once you start improving.

Otherwise it might suggest complacency. Akin to "You're beautiful the way you are" etc etc.

[–]NikoMyshkin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only person you need to impress is yourself - Robert Glover

[–]1whatsazipper 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's a strange chicken-egg problem. You need both at the same time, as well as the discipline to keep going no matter what life throws in your path.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but the egg came before the chicken - its ancestors were reptiles.

In this case, improvement wins out. And for those who are still holding the plug, having just wrenched it from the wall, reading TRP is enough. So much information about the fundamentals of life. So much bullshit to unstick from their minds.

[–]Saminess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meant treat yourself right. As in, you will treat the object you love with utmost respect, as a man loves. If we can apply that to ourselves, it unlocks a world of good, both externally and internally.

Fat people don't love themselves.

[–]lagspike 2 points3 points  (1 child)

in a sense it's like me before I got in great shape. now, the world treats me completely different.

but appearance is one thing. knowledge is another. and knowing how things really work is invaluable: or else we're just living in ignorance. or being used by other people. if we are more informed, and this subreddit provides plenty of knowledge, we can make better decisions. rather than being manipulated, which should not happen.

[–]Saminess 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree, harvest the body and mind equally, for the present system is meant to degrade both to the point of no return. Mens sana in corpore sano

[–]1Claude_Reborn 39 points40 points  (10 children)

Yeah, the anger and paranoia are part of the early stages.

My advice is to back off on women for now and go into "monk mode" for about 6 months and start working on the basics of TRP.

Find a local, reasonably priced gym, and start stronglifts

Don't feel too stupid, you were working on horrible information that you had been spoon fed pretty much your whole life.

You can't change the past, so just write off the past as a massive "learning experience" and focus on getting your future in order.

Part of me wants to forsake women for good. Part of me wants to learn the absolute shit out of game so I can finally play these women the way they have played me all these years....

That's your ego talking. Tell it to shut the fuck up, and get back in it's box. That is the sort of thinking that can set yourself up for a massive failure, and even more depression.

Accept that TRP is a journey, not a destination.

[–]lagspike 10 points11 points  (1 child)

ill second this, joining a good gym is one of the best things ive ever done: it has improved my body, mood, and confidence so much. if you want something bad enough, you can earn it though hard work. seeing your body transform into something admirable is addicting: and it's all thanks to your work/effort alone.


do it for yourself. the man in the mirror, not the girl in the short skirt.

[–]GuidoBandito 5 points6 points  (3 children)

As a side note, if joining a gym in your area is either inconvenient or cost prohibitive for your budget (you have a budget, right?), you can also do body weight training. Look up Al Kavadlo and Convict Conditioning.

Either lift heavy objects or lift yourself, but for god sake, lift like you've never done before. Feel the delicious body and life altering pain.

It is very meditative to lift, so when doing so, focus on your body and what it is doing. After a while, you'll notice anger, happiness, and every other emotion will be put aside and all that will be there is you and the weight. Everything else will not matter for a brief period of time which will allow you to be prepared to rethink things and reshape your life when you are done lifting and reshaping your body.

[–]1whatsazipper 3 points4 points  (2 children)

As a side note, if joining a gym in your area is either inconvenient or cost prohibitive for your budget (you have a budget, right?), you can also do body weight training.

If joining a gym is cost prohibitive, he has a bigger problem to solve in tandem: Get his finances in order. Gym memberships are relatively inexpensive.

[–]GuidoBandito 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You are correct but not many college students can truly afford it.

[–]1whatsazipper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most colleges have facilities available to students. I'd investigate that before joining an outside gym.

Slowly accumulate some dumbbells and other items over time, too, if it comes down to that.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

[–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's your ego talking. Tell it to shut the fuck up, and get back in it's box.

This is incredibly sage advice for life in general - not just in this situation.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Others have already said what I was going to, so I'll just leave you with with a few reading assignments (in addition to the sidebar):

Rollo Tomassi's Five Stages of Unplugging

/u/Whisper's post on the same topic

You're in the anger phase, and we've all been there. Hang tight, it gets better.

Why do my eyes hurt?

You've never used them before

[–]UnpluggedMan 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I feel suspicious everytime I come into contact with a girl my age now, like shes sizing me up, reading me, to figure out how best to manipulate me and get what she wants.

She is. Now you know she is. The next step is to learn to return the favor, but be better at it then she is.

Am I crazy? Does everyone feel like this at first?? Does it eventually become normal. I want to feel like I can trust women again. Is that possible?

No, you're not crazy. I felt like that at first as well. Now I've settled into a sort of amused mastery in my relations with women. I'm no longer mad at them. I find the transparency of their nature and it trifling expressions more amusing than anything anything else now. No, you won't ever truly trust them again. Nor should you. There can be no complacency. In almost every way, to get ahead and stay there, to have your needs consistently fulfilled and your wants met, you must always be on your toes. That's part of the essence of the red pill. You can't unlearn that. When you've made enough progress, you won't want to. You'll embrace the knowledge, and the endless motivation for improvement it provides.

[–]1wakethfkupneo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Am I crazy? Does everyone feel like this at first??

It's perfectly normal, yes. You're in Anger Phase. We've all been there.

I was so pissed. I WAS SO FUCKING MAD.

Good! You are now in perfect place to start making some radical changes.

Phoenix theory:

... I've been helping people with their physical transformations for over ten years now. The pattern of success is clear. Regardless of their primary physique goal — rapid fat loss or massive muscle gain — those who ultimately succeed always begin the same way: They get pissed off.

Now is the moment to channel that destructive energy. Hit the gym! Or bodyweight. Just start working on your body, along with learning theory. It's way more important than you can imagine.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You asked about trust. You can always trust a woman to act like a woman, which is somewhat different because you can't always trust a man to act like a man. Men operate under a different set of rules, duty, honor, loyalty, a sense of fair play often comes into the mix. Men will sacrifice for the greater good, not always but quite often. Who hasn't taken one for the team?

Girls will almost always do what benefits them most. They aren't very keen on sacrifice for the greater good when they must sacrifice. They are always looking to trade up, to a greater extent than men are. If we have a good thing, we won't throw it away based on the first blush, because we've learned that things aren't always what they seem. Girls will jump ship and fuck someone who appeared to be a higher branch she can swing to. They are wired to be provided for, not to go out and make a living. They can, but they hate living like we do. If it looks like a better deal and she can take advantage of it, she will regardless of if it actually is better or not. They are risk averse, but they have exceedingly poor judgment and rarely look beyond the present.

I don't trust anyone completely, there are two friends who are far above the rest, but still not 100%. I learned the hard way about trusting females. You can't trust her to make the best choice, to not do something that will cause far bigger problems, to sacrifice, but you can trust her to be female with all their differences from us.

Girls are not inferior, not equal, and not superior. Girls are complimentary, they fit us like meshing gears in a machine. We all have high and low capabilities, ours fit into theirs and vice versa. Without those highs and lows, if everything was equal nothing would work. Girls are not beneath you, but they want you to lead more often than not. She might like to think she does it all, but she simply can't.

Trust can mean different things. You can trust the dog to be a dog, but you can't trust every dog to not bite. Once a woman decides to move on, all her trustworthiness vaporizes into nothing. Check Briffaults Law in the sidebar.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, well sometimes people are beneath you. Generalities work both ways.

I put the thought here rather than making an edit.

[–]thinktankman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

fuckking A this should be an anthem

[–]ToshiroOzuwara 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Anger is great but it is not the endgame. Now you see how you have been played, you can change your life. That is on you. The hard part is taking total responsibility for your life.

[–]liljenz0 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Can anyone post the pdf of No More Mr Nice Guy?

[–][deleted] 4 points4 points

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I won't paste a link, because I think that would contain potentially identifying information (link was from google), but search google for this:

No more mr nice guy File:.pdf

[–]rpscrote 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a recovering beta reading alone is not going to elevate you.

You need to get out there and do things. Don't be afraid to fail in the process of succeeding

[–]trp_angry_dwarf[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I feel suspicious everytime I come into contact with a girl my age now, like shes sizing me up, reading me, to figure out how best to manipulate me and get what she wants.

Yep. Good. Step 1 ticked off.

Angry? Check. You're well on your way.

Am I crazy?


Does everyone feel like this at first??


Does it eventually become normal.

For me, not yet. I'm still working on it though. But it sort of will. Anger leads to acceptance eventually.

I want to feel like I can trust women again. Is that possible?

No. Well, yes. You can trust them to be exactly how they are. The good thing is if you read and absorb the sidebar you become like Neo and you don't have to dodge bullets because there aren't any anymore.

[–]RedditArgument 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good good let the hate flow through you... come to the red side...

In all seriousness though, welcome. Don't worry about the anger too much. Use it as fuel to start improving yourself and start lifting if you don't already. Now is the time to cut the crap (people included) from your life and start becoming the man that is your full potential.

As many others have suggested read up on monk mode if you haven't already.

Also semi unrelated; I recommend checking out /r/leangains (for gaining muscle without gaining as much fat) and /r/keto (fat loss priority) I've found both to be incredibly useful in reshaping my body.

[–]2niczar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Part of me wants to forsake women for good. Part of me wants to learn the absolute shit out of game so I can finally play these women the way they have played me all these years....

I've never really understood this mindset, to be honest. Women are people, people are animals, animals have instincts. They do, you do. The Red Pill is only showing you what they actually are.

There is no malice. People don't choose what they're attracted to. The problem is not women, the problem is that you're being lied to by the narcissists in charge of the media and politics.

If you want to hate a group of people, don't hate women, it's idiotic; hate narcissists. Non-narcissist women are as much a victim, if not more, than your pre-redpill self.

[–]2Sepean 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it sort of feels like that in the beginning.

You'll never regain your trust in women like you had before, because they just don't function like that.

But in a sense, I trust women more now, because I get them. I went from dead bedroom to a wife that loves sex and takes my dick in her mouth anytime I ask her. That sort of takes the sting out of her feeble attempts at shaking my frame.

[–]Pensquible 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was the same way. Like everyone else here said, your anger against women (as a whole or specific women) will fade. I had girl's I was friends with that I felt I was in love with. I hovered over them for years while they banged and fucked every douchebag, consoling them when they cried and waiting for it to be my turn. I laugh now thinking about it. If I only knew then what I know now. Yet same as you, I was legit mad at them for a while after learning all this. I came to realize, however, that it wasn't them I was truly angry with, they're just operating how they're programmed to operate, it was the old me that I was mad at. Once I started changing things and focused more on my life, and increasing my knowledge, moving forward in my career, getting fit, and stopped paying so much attention to them, they were quick to notice. Then when they finally showed me interest and I passed their shit tests and actually had a real shot at fucking them or dating them, I realized that I didn't even want them anymore. I was on to bigger and better things. Chin up, things get better, the anger will subside.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"I realized that I didn't even want them anymore. I was on to bigger and better things."

Ha. Exactly. Once you get past their fake demure snowflake act, and see their temporary beauty for what it is, and realize the tests & childish behavioral crap is planned for you, it becomes less and less important to chase after them. If they want to be with me, then it will be on my terms. I can take them or leave them.

"Oh, you're throwing a tantrum and testing me? See that door over there? Don't let it hit you in the a** on the way out."

I'm drama free now and my life is so simple. I do what I want, work to improve myself & follow my passions. I have no time for petty childish BS games, no time for tests, no time for people who will lie and waste my time.

Sure, they look good but is dealing with that thing between their ears really worth it? Most of them just aren't worth the hassle.

[–]red_gerb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Welcome Neo.

Realize you are one of many, who stood where you are now; who have been unplugged from the Matrix. it's a process. give it time.

[–]ModMachiavellianRed[M] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

OP, could you please take the link to nofap out of your post, as we have a strict no linking to outside subreddits rule. If not, I will have to remove your thread.


Edit: non-compliance, so removed.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I am so stupid. I am so fucking stupid.

I spent years calling religious people stupid on the Internet. One day, it dawned on me that Isaac Newton, among a huge number of others but he's almost the cliche of pure genius, was devoutly religious. Not only that, but he wrote essays on the 'scourge of atheism'. I believe he is very high up on the list of the most intelligent men ever to have lived.

It is nothing more than social conditioning. It doesn't matter how smart you are, when your mind is small and unformed, it will ingest all the bullshit you have been fed. Suffering delusions that were fed into you by society is to be expected, and I judge nobody for falling victim to it.

Welcome to the enlightenment. Turn that voracious reading to the sidebar, begin lifting, work your way through the anger phase rather than feeling like it's wrong and trying to force yourself out of it, and you'll do just fine.

[–]justskatedude 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Newton was from a different time where you couldn't be an atheist without suffering social consequences. The same is true today but to a lesser stand.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regardless, he didn't just keep up appearances, he hamstered how God had made everything even while he established facts about the Universe that were not known from the Bible which, you'd think, would contain such information.

The point of the example is the correlation between intelligence (which he had in huge abundance) and depth of religious belief (which he also had in huge abundance) is broken. He also believed some crazy shit about alchemy, too.

[–]plentyoffishes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your anger makes sense. But also check out the book Nonviolent Communication. It made me feel less hatred/anger towards women in general- not because the book is pro-women or something, but it shows how empathy can change your world for the better.

[–]TheRealPancomplex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Part of me wants to forsake women for good" - If serious; life long abstinence or homosexuality are 2 options off the top of my head. I somehow doubt that you would be serious about considering either, so on to your subsequent statement:

"Part of me wants to learn the absolute shit out of game so I can finally play these women the way they have played me all these years...." - I have never been a fan of revenge, especially if you are not "playing" the exact same women that you have felt directly played you. If you can somehow find a way to directly "play" the women that "played" you...well, sometimes lessons do need to be taught and learned one way or the other.

" I want to feel like I can trust women again." - I feel this is your problem right here. Seems to me like you have a yearning or desire to "trust women". Trust is EARNED, not just given out like so much a greeting. Perhaps, in your desire to "trust" women you had preconceived notions and expectations as to what you would receive in return. When they were not adequately met, you felt "hurt", "lied to" or "played". Perhaps in "trusting" women that did not deserve your trust, they saw you as "weak" and took advantage of your weakness. Not condoning their behavior if that was the case. But can you really blame a lion who eats a baby zebra that just casually walks up to it and exposes it's belly?! I would hope not.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Your anger is natural but misplaced. You weren't played but you were playing and you lost. Despite how it feels, and how TRP looks, no one is given the rules or winning strategies before hand, though quite few figure it out in part or whole.

You are projecting your motivations on to others. You weren't being nice solely for the sake of being nice, if that were true yiu wouldn't care, you would have gotten exactly what you wanted; the opportunity to be nice. You were nice because of what you thought it would get you. You were wrong, and you were dishonest, first to others about your motives and second, and more importantly to yourself. How many times did you tell yourself you truly were nice, but you knew what you were doing and why.

If someone stood outside your house giving away free money, would you take any? If you did how would you feel if a few days later that person came back and said you owed them for taking their free money. That's essentially what you were doing.

Be mad, but be mad at yourself. Be mad because of how long it took you to realize. Be mad at the length you went to lie to yourself. be mad at the time you waisted pretending you weren't who you really are. Be mad that you weren't man enough to own up to who you are, what that means and what it is you want.

Then, in time, stop being mad and truly start being a man.

[–]NilacTheGrim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well said. Be nice if it makes you happy to be nice. Being nice in the hopes if getting something back may succeed or it may backfire.

That being said, being nice.. At the right times has social value. We all do it. With our friends, with our lovers, etc.

A key rule is if you WANT a woman. Let it be known that you want her. If she rejects you and friend zones you, then you can decide then if you want to be nice or just distance yourself ever so slightly. If she likes you back and fucks you.. Go ahead and be nice if it makes her happy (and you happy!).

But the key is to really admit to yourself when you want someone and not be ashamed of your maleness and your sexuality. We get shamed shamed shamed growing up in te USA by feminist culture. It's ok for a man to be horny and want to fuck. It's almost expected, really. Declare what you want and let the chips fall where they may.

It's more honest... And better for everyone.

[–]Black-Pill 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Relax, take a seat. Read the side bar material . I recommend you concentrate first on the 5 Stages that happen after you take the Pill. Welcome

[–]scarletspider3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't feel down on yourself. It's something that guys need to go through to become men. The good news is that now you're on the first stage of getting good with women. Just never forget all the shit you had to go through, cause if you start to forget you'll go through it again until it's drilled into your head.

[–]trowawayyada 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are still young kid! You have your whole life ahead of you. Take it all in slowly, there will be ups and downs but that's natural progression. Some guys don't stumble upon this until 30s, 40s, shit there are millions out there that continue to be "doormats" stuck in deadbeadroom insanity. Take some solice that you have found some answers now. Knowledge is power brother.

My Dad is 63 & BB, always has been always will be.

[–]robo23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"The anger phase." Don't worry. Work on yourself. Understand your role and the dynamics of things and use it your advantage.

[–]theuppertwenty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Welcome to /trp! Your anger is natural, everyone who swallows the red pill goes through it. It may last quite a while (for me it was about 3 months), but you will get past it eventually.

I'd recommend you focus on yourself for some time and start improving every aspect of your life: Get into weightlifting (incl. proper nutrition), improve your performance in school/college, read important literature and go travel as much as you can.

As for /trp: Never stop reading. Make sure to read all of the sidebar and read every post of the /trp endorsed members here. Also, follow the blogs linked in the side bar, I especially recommend chateau heartiste.

Good to see you found /trp, your life is about to improve in every aspect you can imagine!

[–]ShitfacedBatman 2 points2 points [recovered]

I want to feel like I can trust women again. Is that possible?

Nope. For me, and probably most men in TRP/MGTOW, is they can never be friends with women again. That's the main thing. You have women in your family: mother, grandmother, sister, aunts, female cousins and whatnot - and you can see pretty quickly whether or not those are worth a shit or whether you should let some of them go. You'll see how much of them is "real" and how much of them is "female nature."

Then you might have coworkers or acquaintances at bars and clubs. But never again will any of them become "friends." Your blue pill beta self, what's left of it - might fight you on that - but if you really swallowed that red pill, your blue pill beta self will eventually lose all of those battles.

One of the benefits of this is that by getting rid of women who do nothing for you, you make room for women who can do something for you. The other benefit I think is societal - in that I believe women need to learn to be friends with women once and for all. I can't tell you how many women say other women are crazy. Everybody's heard that. But those crazy women rely on men which is a terrible shortcut, and most men are absolutely blindsided. Well now you can count yourself out, you won't be one of those men, and women can go back to dealing with women.

Eventually you'll get used to it and the anger will subside in time.

[–]TW_RPAwake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

YES you can!!!

It is a different kind of trust - the type of trust you have for a teenager. The kind of trust you have in probabilities. TRP-enlightened men understand women better than most of them understand themselves. Let that sink in for a moment - In a gynocentric, narcissistic, selfie-society, most women will not take enough introspective time to assess why they perform the behavior patterns they do.

Therefore as a TRP-enlightened man demonstrating leadership in your life you can TRUST that women will follow a common thought process. The right behavior adaptations from you will foster a sense of pair-bonding in her. Some key tips -

  1. She must think that you are the "best deal" she will ever have
  2. She must KNOW that failure to bring her best self to the relationship will result in your exit
  3. She must be willing to enter your frame of reality an support your leadership

There are probably more, but these are key. Will all women meet this standard? NOPE. Maybe 1 out of 100 will if you get away from a coastal city in the US. For the other 99, well.. have fun!

Even for the select women who pass the standard, never see her as anything more than a strong compliment to YOUR LIFE. It may be hard to lose her; the gut-shot may cause you some heartache, but NEVER compromise your life principles in order to keep her "happy".

[–]unknowncitzen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have a simple rule unless I have fucked the woman or am still fucking her, I won't be friends or give any of my time too outside a polite hello.

Even if we have fucked in the past and she starts bleeding on me about her latest crisis, I instantly become very busy and won't listen.

[–]greatGoD67 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are angry, that's understandable. That's phase one. But this feeling shouldn't last forever otherwise it will be unhealthy for you.

People take advantage of each other all the time, Women do it, Men do it. Everyone you ever know will derive some value from knowing you and that is the way life is.

The thing to know is, you should be doing the same thing. If you give too much, people take advantage of your efforts and give nothing in return.

Don't ever give anymore than you get from knowing someone, ever. People will take advantage of you whether you are a chump or a champion. Mike Tyson, one of the biggest, strongest, meanest, richest fighters off all time said ”People basically suck — they’re always trying to screw you.”

It happens to everyone regardless. What you need to do to be happy is develop yourself, be happy with yourself, live only for yourself. Only make friends with people who you can take value from.

Some women love hanging out with women and betas to give each other validation.

Some men hang around alpha men to learn from them.

some men hang out with men to kickback, drink beers, and not give a fuck.

some men hang out with women to have companionship.

some men spend time with women for romance

some men only bother with women just to pump and dump.

These things are PERFECTLY NORMAL. There is nothing wrong with them.

If you want to be the best person you can be, be interesting, have hobbies, raise the smv of people you like, ignore the ones you dont; guess what? people will start giving to you. whether its attention, affection, admiration, or abhorrence. The difference is, now you are in control, and not some useless sidekick in someone else's narcissistic life.

Spend time here, make some healthy change. Good Luck.

[–]Baarek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should still see them as people. The red pills make you lose faith in humanity for a time, but you'll get over it. And everything will get better soon.

[–]TheLolomancer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In order to rebuild, we must destroy what is already in place. You're on the right track.

[–]szip88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro...go lift. Just go hit the gym, put on some good music, zone out. At the end of the workout Your tshirt should be drenched in sweat making it hard for You to take off.....tomorrow repeat.

[–]Prattler26 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Place the blame where it belongs: your mother, your father, your family, government, mainstream media, etc.

Beautiful women using your favours and niceness are not at fault, you did this to yourself. Most of us would be doing the same in their place.

Use that anger to improve, build your life, learn to love yourself and achieve happiness! It won't be easy, but it's worth it! Good luck!

[–]MamasMilkFactory 1 point2 points  (1 child)

[–]SigmundFloyd76 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't help to notice your username. I assume you aren't actually putting much time into meditation practice?

If you put the time into meditation sitting practice, you will arrive at many of the philosophies of TRP organically. It's amazing.

Sitting practice forces your brain to stop buying into the constant bullshit you've been telling yourself. I'm surprised I don't see more references between TRP and Shambala Buddhism. They overlap.

[–]colucci 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The female Praying Mantis eats the male one after reproduction.

Now that's unfair.

Bottom line is that being mad at a human for being human is like being pissed a the clouds for the rain.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, and I don't think it has been mentioned on this thread yet, but pre-feminist TV is a good source for positive masculine behavior. Start out with good old B&W westerns like The Rifleman, Wanted Dead or Alive, Bonanza, and Rawhide. Observe how the men interact with women. Watch how women react in the presence of a truly masculine man. Observe how the men carry themselves.

[–]NSA_web_spider 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, everyone feels like this. No, you are not alone. Yes, it will pass.

Use your anger to fuel change in your life. Stay the hell away from women and focus on self improvement until it has passed.

Read the rest of the sidebar and eventually you will come to realize that just because you have been playing the game wrong for years, it doesn't mean that the other side is evil, or even wrong, just that you live in a society that has poorly educated you on how to play it.

[–]Senior Contributorveggie_girl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel suspicious everytime I come into contact with a girl my age now, like shes sizing me up, reading me, to figure out how best to manipulate me and get what she wants.

This is the sexual marketplace game. Women are trying to get what they want, while men are doing the same thing. You're angry because you thought you were part of the game, but now you've realized your actions were equivalent to forfeiting to the other team. The marketplace is too competitive for nice guys to be able to participate, for illustration: imagine how well a football team would do if they were nice to the other team and frequently gave them the ball -that is what you've been doing.

The anger is normal. After all, you've been living a lie.

[–]banica24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

After ending my last LTR (9 months, ended in Jan 2014) I discovered TRP. Been single since. But reading TRP made me realize how beta I was in that relationship and previous ones. It kinda made me think. But definitely gives you another perspective and I'm really picky with who I want to commit to.

[–]rapeorama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Trust is good, but control is better." -Vladimir Lenin

You don't need to trust women. You need to develop your personal power. If you are seen as powerful - or potentially powerful in the long-term - women will attempt to gain your favor. If you have the self-esteem that naturally results from building power in the long-term, their attempts to gain your favor will not result in you surrendering your autonomy and ending up in a position of weakness where they can exploit you.

Manipulation is an instinct women have developed, through evolution, to compensate for their lack of physical strength. Once you're aware of this characteristic, it's not a problem. You can then enjoy the positive characteristics of good women (sensual, nurturing, compassionate), while not opening yourself up to exploitation.

If you understand reality, you can enjoy it.

[–]dopadelic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's the thing though, your goal shouldn't be to "get a girl." That's viewing them as some kind of prize to be won. The goal should be to find someone to have a good time with and to bond with. That's the only way to have a mutualistic relationship. Spending time with them should be rewarding in itself regardless if "you got them" or not. If you feel like you need to self-sacrifice to get some prize at the end, then you're setting yourself up for failure. That's desperation and women could sense that and that's when you'll get taken advantage of.

[–]thrice_as_nice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You'll be able to trust women, just in a different way. You'll be able to trust their predictability, but obviously you won't be able to trust them in the way you formerly thought you'd be able to, as you might trust one of your best male friends.

During the anger phase you'll still have women on the pedestal, only in a different way - letting the anger about women's shortcomings control you. The next step is to understand that they don't define you, at least it was for me. That's why you'll see so many seasoned guys on here talk about Outcome Independence.

[–]valhalladclxvi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Relax man, the world is what it is. Just remember that an "alpha" is a guy who does what he wants to do and doesn't compromise his values to impress others.

[–]Temptationn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The first step of taking in the pill is anger, when I first took the pill I was depressed for weeks. I finally realized I'll never have a women I could share my emotions with. It's a hard pill to swallow once you realize once you swallow the pill there's no going back, you'll have to always maintain frame, lift and never show signs of depression or she'll next you in a heartbeat.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Keep reading the sidebar --->

Go into monk mode. Hit the gym like your life depends on it (because it does).

Amp up your professional ambition.

Learn the life skills that aid you in proper self-valuation.

Learn the tricks that help you recognize and defeat shit tests.

Learn how to set healthy boundaries with others, especially women.

Learn what outcome independence is.

Learn what dread is and when it is appropriate to deploy it as a tactic.

Start building your life so your happiness is completely independent of your relationships with women.

Know that you will not become Red Pill guru overnight. Stay humble on the sub. Take it all in. Change your perception of the world. Start putting these principles into practice IRL.

When you start making real progress make some field reports for feedback.

Oh and...

Welcome to the real world Neo...

[–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Am I crazy? Does everyone feel like this at first?? Does it eventually become normal. I want to feel like I can trust women again. Is that possible?

In order:

No. Yes. Yep. Lol yeah, but only with some things. You can trust them to be women. Some women are better than others. Some women are honestly too fucking stupid or naive to play the game. But that doesn't mean they won't wise up.

Some women are smart enough to know when they have it good. Either way, never trust a woman enough to marry her. Thats my personal opinion that many in TRP share. Never Marry.

Don't be pissed at women. Thats just how life is man. At the end of the day, the only people you can trust are those who have nothing to gain by deceiving. Male or Female. Being angry is a waste of energy... Unless you're able to harness it into motivation.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're not stupid, you've been lied to straight to your face for your entire life.

Don't worry, you win!

[–]hatraddit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No no no, you don't need revenge.

You just need to live life FOR YOURSELF, with zero regard to whether or not it will help you get women.

Getting women doesn't matter. Pursuing your own interests is THE only important thing in life.

[–]4seriousaccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your anger is fair. But I don't think that you give enough credit to the deception placed upon women as well. I honestly don't believe that either party wins out in the long run from believing a lie. Women suffer from the same lie, just in different ways. By coming to a place of understanding, I think that you'll find your anger is more containable. For most, Blue Pill is not purposeful. It probably is at a higher, isolated level (likely from someone in a place of leadership, or media. See: SJWs, radical feminists, etc. ), but not from those who have only listened.  

Ever wonder why middle aged women are so willing to cheat, sleep around, and take that special interest in the pool boy? They believed a lie, followed it through, and the end result is something they no longer want. They molded and formed an "ideal" man only to find out that they took his masculinity away. Now they don't want it.  

There are always exceptions to the rule, but for the most part, I think women are naturally attracted to those men who actually embody manhood more than the lie they've been believing. They may not understand why, and their beliefs will probably keep them from ever acting on that attraction, but the fact that they value it, yet don't understand it, identifies deception to their end as well.  

On the other hand, a woman in this culture who does understand and rejects the Blue Pill... She'll be a keeper.

TL;DR - lies lead to harm for both parties.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I couldn't get through No More Mr Nice Guy it really is basic. Started reading the Rational Male last week and it's amazing I recommend it to anyone. I've been on this sub awhile but I'm getting so much more out of it reading this book.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hit the gym and get lifting. I've found its the best way of managing the anger.

I feel suspicious everytime I come into contact with a girl my age now, like shes sizing me up, reading me, to figure out how best to manipulate me and get what she wants.

Consider that you know this now, and are not like the poor bastards who are continuing to shallow the bullshit fed to them.

[–]Myrpl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aside from what every comment says here, search the sub for "Just read The Book of Pook. Basically TRP cliff notes and every newbie should read." and check it out, if you haven't done yet.

Anger will pass, but it has to run its course first.

[–]_KZA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeesss, let the anger flow thru you. JOIN THE RED PILL REPUBLIC!

[–]RationalistFaith1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TRP can be used to better yourself. This is the nature of our species. Women are biologically driven to pick the best of the best. Yes technology has made that more visible. I just use their grading to better myself personally.

I mean look at the SMV and RMV criteria. They're all objectively beneficial. Second, most women don't do this consciously so don't be hard on them per se. Just learn rules of life and you'll be much stronger and contempt! :)

Welcome to the real world Buddhist_Nudist! ;)

[–]BleauGumms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I err on the suspicious side.

If a woman is talking to me, the bitch must want something.

[–]TekkomanKingz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Welcome to the team brah. Stay for the rest of the ride.

[–]yummyluckycharms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Breathe....you're in the midst of the anger phase. Let it pass, and you'll see that women are just working according to the best interest of the species.

[–]lagspike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

use that anger as motivation to do some good. like lifting at the gym. make yourself look better, be more desirable. it will boost your confidence and appearance in the eyes of others. but don't do it for them, do it for yourself.

today I can admire what I see in the mirror, and now the girls that didnt give me the time of day before suddenly like me. but no, im not crawling to them for scraps, fuck that. they have no influence over me, and im not going to be some beta that funds their purse collection. I've seen this shit happen to friends, people who loved to party and are suddenly emasculated. no, i'm never letting that happen to me.

the saying is true: the less you give a fuck, the more desirable you become. women want what they cant have: stop being used by these women, and become the man that uses them for what they truly are: a mobile vagina. maybe down the road you'll meet a girl that has more value than whats between her legs. but until then, don't let them use you. be the best individual you can be, and never let them manipulate you.

[–]NilacTheGrim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a normal first reaction. Same shit happened to me. As time passes and you live by your new perceptions and you start to make more and more decisions as the new you, something changes and you begin to see women in a better light than before.

It could very well be though that almost all the women in your life are garbage that need to go. That happened to me. 95% if the women I knew, I no longer really keep in touch with.

Don't worry though. New women will pop into existence and the terms and parameters of your relationship with them will be much different. You may even say, higher quality women will pop into your life eventually.

Just keep living up to your principles and the new you will attract the right people. Also you'll learn to appreciate the right women when you see them.. Without being distracted by the bitches as you were in your past life.

But yeah. The anger phase is normal. Happened to me too.

[–]ExBABYYy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good job, some will never see the truth, keep it up

[–]Gadnuk_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is normal you are angry, you've just discovered that the 'truths' you've been programmed with all these years are bullshit.

This community works to turn the tables back toward equality, levels the playing fields with nothing but knowledge. Work on yourself and absorb the sidebar in its entirety, and sooner or later your beta past will be a point of objective analysis as opposed to grief.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The anger is understandable and unavoidable. But eventually, hopefully, you'll come to terms with the way the world is.

[–]momomotorboat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're not crazy. Anger is the first step. Yes it becomes normal. Trust will return, but it will be different.

Why do your eyes hurt? Because you've never used them before.

Take all that emotion and channel it, invest it into YOU. Read what everyone else has said. Stick with us and your life will get a whole lot better. There will be ups and downs so be resolute.

[–]the_red_scimitar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are doing fabulously. You obviously "get it". This phase is absolutely normal, and may not be the last bout of anger before all this is fully integrated, but you'll get there, and comparatively quickly, if this level of interest is maintained.

It changes into pure understanding. It's nearly impossible to be mad about it at that point.

So now you know: your mission is paramount, whatever that is. Keep moving.

[–]rantan1618 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your anger is justified. You've just stepped into a new world and you're upset all those years were an illusion. Don't get mad though use your new found knowledge to get something done.

[–]blue_27 0 points1 point  (0 children)


And then right on out. Don't dwell on the anger, but recognize it. Once you identify the problem, you can now fix it. Once you fix it, then you can help others. But don't be mad at women; they are simple creatures following their programming. The world is offered at their feet, why should they say no?

[–]1ThumpNuts 0 points1 point  (0 children)


Trust women to be women.

Women don't walk around consciously plotting and scheming their every move. They don't have to. It's their nature. They don't need to put any effort into it.

It's not they they are not as good as men or that they are not as evolved, it's just that they are different.

You can be mad. You can take pity on them. You can look at them as children. You can look at them as fuck toys. You can look at them as selfish employees... ultimately the choice is yours.

You rage will pass... hopefully. If you want it to.

Just remember, you have wants and needs and they have wants and needs. Their wants and needs will compromise you and be detrimental to your goals A LOT of the time, but you can work around this and protect yourself.

Don't be mad, be glad... that you are finally awake. Most men are still asleep, and you'll now be able to run circles around them, and women.

[–]Vigilo_Infinite 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are good people in this world and women are some of those good people. They are not the cause of all or any of your problems just as men aren't. They (people) are not against you - they are simply not for you.

You have to own your own destiny in this life. You have to go to the effort of creating and nurturing a personality that is revered and loved. You cannot blame anyone else for your short comings.

You must take responsibility for your health, needs and desires and understand that even though others might not be able to articulate that they are only in this world for themselves, you understand that you are.

That drive and desire doesn't have to be purely selfish - it can be a multitude of emotions that serve a dual purpose. So, when you're doing someone a favour by hanging out with them because they're less popular, you're consciously trying to have fun and consciously trying to find a reason to help them fit in, for example. You understand how that looks to others and how it can boost others' opinions of you. All of this can be done sincerely and with good intentions.

You need to murder your naivety and understand that everything someone says, does or thinks is always about themselves. Always. Even the act of charity is about making yourself feel good - if you feel nothing doing something then you wouldn't do it or at least wouldn't more than once after you learn that fact.

The concepts of God and love are illusions. Your mother did not have you out of love - she was satisfying her biological urge to further the species. Her feeling of attachment to you that she might call "love" is a collection of synapses and neurons firing together. They make her feel something and that is satisfying to her. Again, this is not a bad thing and can be done sincerely.

If you replace the word "love" with the word "need", everything starts to make more sense.

Your drive as a man to look after and bring resources to pretty girls in the hope that they give you attention is another biological drive. It is again done in sincerity. Hopefully you understand that everything you are is worthy of exchange. You are enough.

People will give you anything you want, if you just ask for it.

[–]WallyHotvedt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome stuff. Welcome. Welcome to your new life and the awesome that is in front of you. Feel every bit of that anger and continue to channel it into learning. The anger will pass, and you will make amazing strides in bettering yourself during this time. After my anger phase passed I realized how important the phase was and tried to get my emotional state back into that anger phase so I could do more growth, didn't work, you've got one shot at it so ride that fucking wave for all it it worth.

Was doing some reading about the history of NLP and, for the life of me I can't find the link/reference again, there was one guy who decided that living your life in emotional turmoil was the best way to ensure he had the emotional growth he desired down deep.

Within comfort there is no change. Within change there is no comfort.

[–]cariboo_j 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Check out Barbarossa, Stardusk (his channel is called thinking ape) and Girl Writes What on YouTube.

They are MGTOW leaning but their videos on relationship dynamics and the place of men in society are extremely insightful. Its another level of abstraction from pure sexual strategy.

Even if your goal is to become more alpha and bang lots of bitches or whatever they are still worth checking out. Kind of like Esther Vilars manipulated man. It diagnoses the problem but makes no prescriptions for how you choose to deal with it.

I found the all very helpful.

I'll link to some of their best videos in a few hours

[–]Decided2Go2Medschool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The rule of thumb is: you don't post often. Imagine a bunch of betas (you) coming here and constantly whining on why you're a failure. This subbreddit will become a diary for most people and deter away the alphas. Refrain yourself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dont worry your like a blind man that finally saw the light for the first time, it hurts, but your eyes will adjust! welcome to the real world.

[–]wasthereadogwithyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

shes sizing me up, reading me, to figure out how best to manipulate me and get what she wants.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. Later, when you can see it coming, it's a pretty weird feeling to objectively know that some girl you don't know is trying to use you.

[–]SwissPablo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's great you're getting to what is means to be a man at last, but a word of caution: don't evangelize TRP, even though it's clearly had a huge effect on you. Internalize it, improve yourself, but don't talk about it to people. Sadly society at large don't want to know, and a proportion see it as nasty and manipulative.

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It's okay to be angry and feel like you've been tricked, but you have to understand that's just the way women are. It's not that they're deceitful it's just that they're developing solutions for THEMSELVES, not for YOU. They tell you "just be a good boy, be a nice guy" and you'll be rewarded, but that's for children. Also, chicks aren't going to give you "advice" on how to get laid if you're an ugly dude or just not sexy to them. It's like giving your sister advice on how to give a blow job. This is why men NEED a positive masculine role model to look up to in their life. This is why kids need GI Joe, Superman, Indiana Jones, etc.. Instead of this diary of a wimpy kid shit.

Think about it this way, remember when you played a little league sport? Whether it was baseball, football, basketball, soccer, whatever.. There was always a moment where you wished "I wish coach would just lighten up and go easy on us for once".. Sure that would SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR YOU, but your coach keeps you in line so that you keep improving and stay beneficial to the team. Think of the man as the coach and the woman as the athlete.. If the coach lightens up, then the team gets lazy and suffers.. If the man "lightens up" (or beta-fys himself) then the partner gets lazy (IE: gets fat, or starts copping a bullshit attitude).

I know you want to go out for revenge, and "play women" because that's how all of us felt when we got into that pick-up artist stuff. But eventually you'll learn down the line that putting women, sex, and relationships in general on a pedestal is a bad idea.

If you get fit, stay focused on life goals, have a positive attitude, and give people a reason to like you.. You'll have plenty of friends and women to pick and chose from. You were probably told the "everyone gets a trophy" BS growing up, well truth is.. Everyone doesn't get a trophy. That's cop-out loser mentality to keep lazy people feeling good about themselves. You think a hot chick is gonna be blowing some crusty neck beard's stinky cock while he "pwns n00bs" ? Or a guy who hits the gym 4 days a week and races motorcycles?

Stay focused on your life goals, and have fun in the meantime. Have one night stands, FWBs, LTRs, whatever you want to do. Just know that hot women aren't going to want to fuck you if you're not attractive IE: in shape, look sharp, and have style..

[–]JohnCashMoney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like that as well. I used to be so freaking naive. I am still a good guy at heart... I have always been about helping people out (not just chicks), because I have always felt that is what any decent person should do. I was never expecting anything in return, but it turns out that other people and especially girls treat you like shit...

[–]SexistFlyingPig 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone who swallows the red pill goes through exactly what you are going through.

Know this: the anger phase will pass.

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Truth is, you can't trust anyone. Not women, not even your family. Yes, they love you, but there is still a possibility that they turn their back on you.

Feeling that women screen you to evaluate if you are a good prey and if so to manipulate you so they can steal what they want from you is not being paranoid. It's the truth, it's what they does. Hell, it's what everybody does : the guy who is trying to sell you a car, your boss who wants to make you work harder without giving you a better salary, the friends who will turn their back on you if you don't provide them with what they need from you anymore...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally normal and valid perceptions of how women are evaluating and analyzing men.....it does get more comfortable with exposure....like any negative experience....you lack desensitization. You dont have to game, or reject women, to get desensitized to the negative internal response to the realization of the true way youre being perceived and treated aka manipulated and abused

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just relax man.

You will see that there is exponential rewards system for self improvement.

I'm a skinny faggot looking nerd, but with every little thing I improve, my returns increase in bounds.

The first thing you need to do is chill the fuck out. Seriously, take a deep breath, and just let go. You are fine. You are young, you have your health, you don't live in north korea, etc etc.

Take account of what you have going for you, start thinking about things you can do better. With every step you take, you'll feel better, and you'll start reaping rewards in the form of peace of mind, relationships with new women, etc.

[–]Wheat-Thins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How old are you? You don't mention a wife or anything, so I'd say at least you didnt have kids with a woman you hate or get cheated on before finding TRP. That's how a lot of guys find it. If youre relatively young than be glad you learned it sooner rather than later.

[–]hatertauts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your anger is a gift. But only if put towards action. Never let your anger become impotent. Impotence is your affliction.

You are capable of so much more. Anger is your jump start into a more powerful existence.

However, use your anger to develop DISCIPLINE because when your anger fades, discipline will keep you moving forward. Use your anger to develop the framework for a more efficacious existence, because if you simply burn the anger quickly, you'll end up right where you are now, but more tired and more broken. Good luck brother.

[–]Killigraphy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In your defense, no one is born alpha, or all-knowing, we come into this little blue rock naive to the fact that people suck, specifically, people are; manipulative, scared, neurotic, lustful, selfish etc. You like many others, didn't have a beacon of knowledge to help guide you through the fuckfest that is the human race.

So you abide, you let people's invisible rules and relegation's weigh you down and transform you from a child who might be introspective, to a worm, a drone even, just so you don't unsettle the "hive". And so you play this role for years, realizing that not only are you stunting your own growth as a human, but you paint a red letter on yourself, letting everyone know you will bend to their will.

But here you are, broken, because bending, while "safe" was detrimental to your health and psyche. To that I say "good", now you can truly grow, and take advantage of everything and everyone, Now you can be the Id you were meant to be, not the superego that kept you contained within a cage of desperation, rejoice, you can now learn from better men than you, to become a better man to someone else.


[–]DaphneDK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

like shes sizing me up, reading me, to figure out how best to manipulate me and get what she wants.

Of course she does that. And so should she. You do the same. Sizing her up, reading her, trying to figure out if she's pretty enough, worth the time and effort, not crazy, how to get in her knickers.

That's just nature. Doesn't mean we can't be civil to each other and appreciate each others strenghts and overlook weaknesses.

[–]LurkPro3000 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Please take my response as sincere... despite the fact I lack a y chromosome and therefore inherently have a different perspective, if not from genetics then from environment.

I subscribe to this subreddit. Not sure how I found it, probably because I also subscribe to conspiracy/conspiritard subs, but I must have read something interesting because here I am. I find most of the posts on this sub to be a valid truth, half-truth, or sincere experience - and I find it interesting to view the "gender war" "gender stereotypes" from the red pill perspective.

With that being said, I hope you do realize that not all women are heartless blood-sucking parasites. Or maybe most of them are? I am not sure, as I do not have many women friends. I do know this - I am not this way, and I hope you find a girl who pleases you in a mutual and loving relationship.

Proof I am not "this way" - my so reads this sub because he uses my reddit account and he has not dumped me, lol.

[–]prodigyx -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Don't worry man, it gets a lot better pretty quickly. Remember that the past is the past, don't dwell on it, learn from it and move on.

Also, start lifting if you don't already. And if you do, lift heavier

[–]markyLEpirate -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Could you link Mr to the PDF?

[–]SnoopKittyCat -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I believe it's the normal first step out of the beta condition. I was too but anger is useless if you want to better yourself and your relationship with women, transform this anger into energy to achieve your new goals. Easier said than done.

[–]thetruthhtz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Women are just out to use us. Even women who claim to be for mens rights ignore us for jocks. When I started learning game theory I progressed from being a socially awkward neckbeard to the guy I am today. Women still don't go for me though. I think they're just too far gone.

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[–]1oldredder -1 points0 points  (0 children)

All wrong. I was born alpha as are all alphas. We are born, not taught. Same with beta.

A beta can be taught to act alpha but will always be a beta in alpha's clothing. All emotions of a beta will be diametrically opposite of an alpha till death no matter the re-conditioning.

into this little blue rock naive to the fact that people suck, specifically, people are; manipulative, scared, neurotic, lustful, selfish

Nope. For me this was core instinct at all times.

[–]1oldredder -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Emotionally: you would do well to forsake women for good.

Physically: you can still get sex with women, good sex, with no emotional attachment.

Beta: a beta life can be a good life but you must be smart. Just as an alpha must lead but will do shit having retards as followers, a beta must have a leader and you will do well to only follow proven, sensible, strong alphas in any circle, never a fuckup. Do not bow to women ever. Period. Women are supposed to be beta to men, never the other way around.

Just because it's a beta's place in life to serve someone somewhere doesn't mean he must serve everyone all the time.

Part of me.......can't even look at them as people anymore. I feel suspicious everytime I come into contact with a girl my age now, like shes sizing me up, reading me, to figure out how best to manipulate me and get what she wants.

SHE IS. They all are. Period.

This is also how other men will size you up:

beta: will see if you will be loyal to his alpha and/or standards he looks to for leadership

alpha: will see if you will be loyal and credible, worthy or strong as he needs, or if you will be trouble, are incompetent, or already aligned to other alpha(s) who will fuck with his sphere of influence.

Anger: be RID of it. Now. It will not help you whatsoever. May as well be angry at the sun for being bright.

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[–]wasthereadogwithyou 2 points3 points  (0 children)

youre just an asshole loser

Speaking of assholes, that wasn't very nice.