Red Pill TheoryFor all men with high standards and little experience, try to date women you don't like. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by One_friendship_plz

The best way to practice alpha game is to plate women you genuinely don't care about.

You heard me. A lot of you men have women interested in you that you feel are beneath you. 6's or women you find to be "trashy" you refuse to date a woman with a high partner count or is really dumb.

You refuse to date a woman who has an incompatible personality with you or different beliefs.

That's the point.

If you know Sarah got banged out by 3 guys in the bathroom the only thing you could think when you look at her is "gross" No matter what kind of charm she tries to play on you, you will never be able to get that image out because of your high standards.

By dating these types of women you are going to passively, naturally put out alpha game. Would you really consider giving up your hobbies for Sarah? Would you really consider picking her up from Chad's place after he's done with her? Would you really be nervous around this creature you think is beneath you?

No, you wouldn't. And that's the point, use these women you don't like as test dummies. Build up experience with them, get used to knocking away shit-tests.. get used to not caring if a woman threatens to leave you. (You never cared about her that much to begin with).

These women are practice, a lot of you men are going out there lifting.. getting rich and improving your social game, you screen out all these women and find "the one" only to fuck it up because of your lack of experience.

Trust me, it's okay to fuck a slut..especially if their morals disgust you cause then you can't get trapped or played with.

There's so many women out there that are DTF but you have to be okay with the fact that they make shit company.

Get used to it men, and remember don't fuck fatties (Validating them for being piece of shits.)

If you're worried about how other people would view you because your plate is retarded then you're still beta. You shouldn't need another persons validation.

There are men on this subreddit who are lacking experience and yet they're looking for someone to care about so that they can practice "not caring" which probably gets them caught in a loop.

I'm not telling men they have to date/plate people who are unattractive date/plate a bunch of uglies , but a high-standard male seems to be dropping women for having a slutty past, not being smart or some other reason when they should be using them for practice.

Edit: for clarification This is not about men avoiding women who fit their standards. Some of us have specific qualities in a woman that we might not find anytime soon. It has nothing to do with rejection or things not working out. There are MGTOW because they can't find a woman who fits their standards and even when they do they slip up because they don't have experience.

[–]hamsterbator 291 points292 points  (115 children)

Just to reiterate, practice is fine guys but DON'T FUCK THE FATTIES.

This is like feeding pigeons and other wildlife at the park. You are giving these ham-planets validation for their all-about-the-bass bullshit mentality and ruining the ecosystem for everyone else. Girls these days just keep downing cupcakes and embracing their "curves" because so many desperate betas are still willing to worship them. Actual pretty girls are becoming more and more rare such that normal 7s now think they are 9's and 10s.

It's not worth the disease risk. Go jerk off at home.

[–]cariboo_j 30 points31 points  (48 children)


How fat is too fat?

I think this question is worthy of a seperate post.

[–]WardlyHasted 76 points76 points [recovered]

If she can be described as fat or kinda fat, then she's too fat.

[–]SwagYoloJesus 23 points24 points  (2 children)

For me, it's all about the protruding belly. I can't stand the sight of that shit.

[–]soccerplusaviation 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Soooo... True. Some girls belly sticks out more than their ass... Makes me cry inside.

[–]dhump 21 points22 points  (1 child)

If you question if she is too fat, she is.

[–]Quansau18 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Can she fit in a row boat? Would she capsize said boat?

[–]laere 35 points36 points  (0 children)

It's subjective. I like some chub on girls and curves (obviously), mostly in the ass/legs though. But a girl who is fucking huge, or a girl who's basically got a big ass gut and a pancake ass, im getting the fuck outta there.

[–]Kyuzo_ 11 points12 points  (25 children)

Over 25% body fat definitely.

Over 125lbs generally.

On the other hand, my dilemma is generally at what point they're too skinny.

[–]yesidoes 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Yikes, good luck finding any girl taller than 5'6 with less than 125 who doesn't have an eating disorder.

[–]-CONTRABAND- 22 points23 points  (8 children)

25% on a woman isn't that bad man.

You forget the gender difference for BF%


[–]cariboo_j 27 points28 points  (0 children)


I actually agree with Kyuzo_ here.

18-25% is ideal.

30% is definitely pushing the fat zone...

Beyond 30% is just blech.

[–]blandboringusername 12 points12 points [recovered]

25% on a woman isn't that bad man. in 2015

I swear to god, a couple decades ago it wasn't that hard to find average girls below 130 lb. Sure, hot ones were work, but average looking skinny chicks were everywhere.

[–]uberpandajesus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I find that jump from 20-25% in the pictures a little hard to believe, its probably just because they aren't wearing the same size outfit/different poses

[–]Kyuzo_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I tend to err on the side of skinny, but I take your point. A bunch of people here seem to have missed that detail.

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lmao 25%? maybe if you're going after dudes

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The question is too subjective, for me, as long as there's no fucking gut sticking out, that's fine, there's a lot of chubby girls with pretty faces I'd fuck any day.

[–]captainsciencepants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obese. I personally don't might a little meat on the bone. But most times if you're asking if she is too fat... She is.

[–]PedophilePriest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Make sure she still has a waistline if you have to bang a fatty.

[–]1independentmale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How fat is too fat?

If I can't put her on the tail of my crotch rocket, she's too fat. Generally speaking, 110-130lbs on a 5'0-5'7 girl is my preference.

That said, every man is different. I have several friends who are big guys and love fat women. More power to 'em.

[–]dicklord_airplane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

any more than a pinch of pooch. we must stop enabling it. there would be very few fatties if it was impossible for them to get laid.

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you look at her, and the worst you can say is "she would look better if she lost 15 lb." Any more than that is bust

[–]SunshineBlotters 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Actual pretty girls are becoming more and more rare such that normal 7s now think they are 9's and 10s.

Part of this is because beta males are afraid to talk to 9s and 10s. Which means they flock to 7s and below. 7s get hit on so much they develop an inflated SMV

[–]lagspike 5 points6 points  (0 children)

so true. the more people tolerate or compliment these below average women, the more they think they are hot shit.

it's like bruce willis in the sixth sense. these women don't even realize they are ugly yet.

[–]wimmyjales 58 points58 points [recovered]

Hey man, since when is it our responsibility to help regulate the sexual marketplace? If you've never had a chubby girl/butterface give you head, you're missing out on the most enthusiastic, appreciative blow job you'll ever have. With much less effort than an attractive chick. And they always swallow. I mean I don't make a whole sex life out of it, but every now and then I'll fuck a sloppy face. It's like having a human fleshlight that can make you a snack.

[–]yaardi 33 points34 points  (0 children)

And they always swallow

I bet they do, that's a lot of protein.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 109 points110 points  (13 children)

since when is it our responsibility to help regulate the sexual marketplace

It's not, but we should at least try to regulate our dignity. Upwards.

[–]wimmyjales 71 points71 points [recovered]

Oh, there's no dignity left in the moment when you dive into the depths of depravity I've reached. I left dignity behind, my friend.

[–]HS-Thompson 25 points26 points  (2 children)

I have been there.

I like to think indignity has a dignity all its own.

[–]verbnerd 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's like when your sex drive becomes "self aware". Not of you, but of what it can make you do

[–]MaxManus 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Says the guy that encourages guys to fuck girls below their standart.

[–]TimeHoTraveler 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Below THEIR standard or someone else's standard?

[–]kaspell 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I'm plating one of these 5-6's now. She's got a great personality, a degree, job, gifted mouth. She's not fatfat and she's got a cute face, but she is a moped. On the plus side, in the month or so we've been fucking I've noticed that she's appearing to lose weight, which makes me almost feel like a samaritan. Bat country aint so bad.

[–]pmmedenver 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I think thats not the norm... fat chicks I've been with tend to get complacent once they're with you and then get even fatter

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah if they had discipline they wouldn't be fat in the first place. motivation from banging a dude above their smv probably not enough to bridge the enormous discipline gap

[–]kaspell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my experience you are completely correct, from observation at least. I could never 'date' fat. All i know is that aesthetics is about the one area I'm fairly shallow and if she did that, the sexing would end really fast. I physically get repulsed at some magical line of un-health. But now i get to tick the chubby girl great head box on my bucket list.

[–]Gunnilingus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Hell yeah, man. All the girls I've ever banged have been at least a 6, with the exception of one: my old neighbor. She was a 3 - could have been a 5 if she lost 30 pounds. She used to hit on me all the time, and I would ignore it. One night though, I came back from the bars, pretty sloppy, and she'd been drinking with a few other people from our complex. Saw me heading towards my apartment, and she basically jumps me. I was drunk enough where I said, "fuck it." I was so drunk I was pushing rope, but when I tried to give up and go home, she wasn't having it. Blew me for 45 mins (amazing technique, best I've ever had) until I was eventually able to bang her out, but again, I was so drunk I couldn't bust a nut - so she blew me for another 45 mins. Over the next 2 months before I moved, I banged her one more time, and she blew me at least 70 times. She would come over, blow me and leave without me saying a word. She would blow me while I was playing FIFA online with my friends. We never once hung out for non-blowjob-related reasons. Honestly, despite the fact that she was far less attractive than any other girl I've ever been with in any sexual capacity, she might be my favorite, in retrospect. I mean, she sucked dick like it was her job, with zero effort required from me. No ragrets

[–]_whistler 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Fuck. I guess I need to try this. Every blowjob I've ever had was nothing special, I figured my cock was broken. So is there a trick for getting erect for a fat girl, or do I just need to finally try the whole viagra thing?

[–]hamsterbator 6 points7 points  (1 child)

chubby might be ok if she has a cute face otherwise how do you stay hard if you're not 14? Fat = no go

[–]csehszlovakze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

just don't masturbate for a while and you'll be horny enough

[–]JayViceroy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude you can teach any girl to suck your dick. For your own fucking dignity, not fuck fatties. Leave them on the beach where they washed up.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Every girl that has given me head has swallowed. Maybe I just haven't met the type not to swallow yet.

[–]RedHeimdall 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah I think that is not really a thing anymore... they all swallow now.

[–]TRPdis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks to internet porn being widely available.

[–]GeneralDogsbody 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I've only ever encountered the 'won't swallow' girl in Film and Television. It has never been an issue here.

[–]sraperez 8 points9 points  (9 children)

I went through some shit a while back and instead of fucking fatties or girls below my level I just stopped fucking for 10 months. I bounced back stronger than ever and I'm now gaming girls that are way hotter and that are higher up in the food chain (luxury apt, independent etc).

EDIT: For the record I've been with three dozen + girls over the course of my life (I'm 29), so I wasn't without experience.

[–]wimmyjales 9 points9 points [recovered]

Your story is kind of my point. Did you gain anything by not lowering your standards and staying celibate for ten months? Are you implying that you wouldn't be fucking these way hotter chicks now if you had stuck your dick in a few fat mouths during that ten months? What I'm getting at is that there is no prize for keeping true to your standards. You just miss out on easy to get, fantastic blowjobs.

[–]robo23 7 points8 points  (5 children)

I hate to admit it, but I'm backing you up here. The one chubby girl I have ever been with gave the most fantastic blow jobs I've ever had. Not to mention a lot of chubbier girls have higher testosterone levels and are horny all the time. I'm not saying I would advise it, I'm not saying I'm proud of it, but I'd much rather have fucked her a few times than go a month without sex, much less the better part of a year.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

The only reason why fat girls give the best blow jobs is because they are hungry.

[–]robo23 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Hungry for the attention of a man

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If he was made out of sausage.

[–]sraperez 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Fat mouths haha, nice. I just would hate myself if I started to fuck fat chicks. During those ten months I learned a lot about myself and grew immensely, and I truly believe that lowering my standards would have stunted the growth and development that I gained. To each their own, but my philosophy is to always be be growing, always be learning, always be improving...even if it means sacrificing in the short term to achieve a long term goal. But ultimately we should all do what works best for us at the time. I am no guru. I'm just a man who's been through some shit.

[–]GeneralDogsbody 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Not swallowing is still a thing? I don't think I've ever encountered a woman that wouldn't swallow.

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ran into a couple lately... but its nothing that can't be corrected by a man with frame

[–]Super-Saiyajin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I ran into a chick who told me she thought blow jobs were disgusting! Let's just say I stopped talking to her!

[–]csehszlovakze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's like having a human fleshlight that can make you a snack.

You almost made me spit my coffee. Good one.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yo. Run pass me your game to get a fat bitch to give me head without having to fuck her or pull the "Oh! I gotta leave. Forgot I have work in the morning".

[–]denart4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude no.

The thought alone of a fatty sucking your D should make you puke.

[–]theshadowonthewall 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Who cares about the ecosystem. I practice dynamite fishing.

[–]foomfoomfoom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I fucked a fatty once to see what the fuss was about. I don't consider it a mistake. But if I ever do it again, I will consider that to be a mistake.

[–]TW_RPAwake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

BMI too high? BYE! My brain may need the dating practice, but my dick will resent me for it later.

[–]jglock92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fucking fatties, while not ideal, may be good for beginners trying to adopt an abundance mentality. Yes, it is giving them validation but betas trying to push themselves into the world of hookups need to prioritize their own interests over the interest of society at large. Every fit guy who works in the food industry is a fat enabler, but their financial interests are more important to them.

[–]TRPdis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What if I like fat girls. The big booty types in particular seem to always be overweight, just comes with the territory. Of course there are a lot of guys like me and the girls with big booties are highly valued too...

[–]Aspiring_Hobo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're overlooking the role of fat bitches. They're supposed to be your stepping stone towards hot bitches. Fat girls who have a fat girl mentality are just a way to get an occasional nut and free meal. It's not like you get attached.

But it also depends on how fat. There's regular fat bitches, and there's fetish fat bitches like the ones on porn sites.

[–]pupplenupple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No man owes you jack shit when it comes to what he does with his dick.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really don't care about them having an inflated ego. I honestly wish I could get hard for these fatties. They basically throw themselves at me. That would be another option for me to fuck without any effort.

Sigh Oh how the world works. You work hard for the slim chicks and still miss more than half of your attempts. And yet the fatties you don't like at all throw themselves at you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 73 points74 points  (12 children)

The thing about TRP-minded individuals or individuals adopting TRP is that they will hopefully recognize a failed strategy when they experience it. Beta males will attribute a failed strategy to the woman having flaws instead of really understanding that there is a bad approach, there is a good approach and there is a better approach.

Everything a beta male learns about girls is from asking girls what they like, instead of observing what successful males do in their interactions with women. Successful people emulate the actions of other successful people and add in their own value to the process. Unsuccessful people try to blame the system instead of understanding that they have the wrong approach.

I went off on a tangent, but my point is that your method is workable. You will naturally exhibit abundance mentality and amused mastery because you're not particularly interested in that person. But that ultimately doesn't develop you as a person.

I'm not suggesting that people shoot for the stars and try to game models. I'm suggesting that people test the waters at the level they want to be at and see what areas they are failing in and build upon it. Observe other successful males and see what it is that makes them successful with women of similar status.

Is it because these other guys look fit? Go work out! Is it because these guys know how to talk to women? Practice being more social and understand what works and doesn't work! Is it because these guys are tall and you're not? Well, I can't help you there, it's just too damn bad, but that is something you'll have to accept.

The point is, you can understand how to interact with women if you game women that don't appeal to you, but you won't be able to translate that to success with more appealing women, because you haven't dealt with such women.

As an analogy, I watched a snake expert who "immunized" himself to snake bites by slowly introducing snake venom into his system. It likely hurt his body and induced a lot of pain, but over time, he became less susceptible to the effects of the venom. Basically, introduce rejection into your life, and learn how to respond to it properly. You'll naturally get better at dealing with women IF you can realize what you are lacking and what pulls them in.

[–]One_friendship_plz[S] 42 points43 points  (10 children)

Right, but some men are in certain situations where they're thirsty virgins who are mostly bluepill but with redpill knowledge.

This is the method I used to get rid of most of my bluepill traits. I subconsciously put women on a pedestal, I overvalued women who had fit my standards and I would spend day after day fantasizing, and being bitter as fuck about most women.

I don't know, I just think men with high standards and low experience are in a completely different world than the rest of the crew.

I done cold-approaching had dates and all that, but nothing can compare to a successful lay, some men need to get that first lay in or 2 to put their mind on the right track.

Of course it won't mean much if you lay 100 women you don't like. But it's more-so the experience is giving you validation. There's men on here with 0-2 partner counts trying to plate something they care about while they don't have an abundance mentality. Sounds like a doomed plan.

edit: to add onto that, some men have a dealbreaker. If someone scores a hb10 then finds out she fucked a 100 guys, he'll instantly drop her. When in reality it's his perfect time to practice with dealing with that kind of woman.

[–]HS-Thompson 16 points17 points  (0 children)

There's men on here with 0-2 partner counts trying to plate something they care about while they don't have an abundance mentality. Sounds like a doomed plan.

Yes exactly, I am glad you clarified that specific point.

Sure it's possible that you could still absorb the TRP dogma and adopt an abundance mentality in that situation but you're fighting an overwhelming tsunami of hormones and emotions and whatnot when you have very little experience.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I remember correctly, that expert ended up getting himself hospitalized.

[–]GuitarHero07 36 points37 points  (5 children)

I agree. Some beginners just need to get over themselves and bang out some suboptimal women. It's highly unlikely that you are going to go straight from being a Betamax to the Big Leagues overnight.

I've seen some guys who are far from having it together: out of shape, weak game, no frame and not very successful. They still refuse to settle for anything less than a 7. So, they end up going home and jerking off instead. They use "standards" as an excuse to avoid practicing and gaining experience. It's not like you're going to marry these girls!

We all have to start from somewhere. I liken it to lifting weights. Not many of us could bench 315 on our first day at the gym. You lift what you can and you keep working to improve it. It's okay to admit that you are just not at a point in your life where you can bang supermodels. Take what you can get and keep working to improve the quality of the women you bed.

I'm not ashamed to say that I fucked some fatties, single moms and other less-than-stellar women along the way. But when I was finally in a position to bang a 9, my skills were sharp and I was ready to lay that pipe!

[–]_whistler 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Women like this are for sex, not dating. You don't have to "date" a girl just because you want to fuck her. I guess I'm not really sure what you're talking about, what do you mean by "date"?

[–]One_friendship_plz[S] 15 points16 points  (6 children)

You're right, replace date with plate. Too late to edit title.

Depends on what the guys are trying to do, practice plating or practice dating. Experiment with these girls you don't care about instead of finding the 5% in the female population and "trying something new" only for you to fuck it up.

Let's be honest, not every girl can get plated just because you want them to be.

[–]_whistler 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Eh...I don't know. I'm not a fan of the idea of "practicing dating". Why is this something you would want to practice? Practice approaching, practicing demonstrating value, practice abundance mentality, practice amused mastery. But dating? That's not something to be practiced.

Maybe it's personal preference. I don't see dating as really even something I'm willing to do anymore. But I'm a cantankerous nietzschean asshole, so maybe it's more of a thing for others. Rubs me the wrong way, though.

[–]One_friendship_plz[S] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I think a scenario that can be used is if a guy finds a girl who has a great personality, she's a hb9-10.. the problem is he finds out some slutty past about her.

There are guys who will drop her because of their standards. When in reality he could just practice dating a woman with that kind of personality and looks. For next time when he wants something that actually isn't a slut.

It's not really about dating ugly women, it's about dating/plating things that don't fit your standards of an ideal partner.

There are a lot of TRP men who won't plate someone that isn't meeting rare qualities.

[–]_whistler 13 points14 points  (3 children)

There are a lot of TRP men who won't plate someone that isn't meeting rare qualities.

Are there? That's kinda fucked up. If she passes the boner test, she can be a plate. Plates are for fucking.

Dating...I guess when I think of the word, I think of a romantic interaction wherein the girl has high value in areas other than erotic utility. There aren't many of those.

[–]One_friendship_plz[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I was one of these men, it's a transition from blue-pill to red. Now that you're aware how many low value women there are out there, you use redpill to learn how to find and pull in a high value woman while ignoring the rest of the pack.

You find one and your lack of experience is a result of things not working out. People take in the red pill differently and for a good half-year I chose to stay a virgin and keep screening women while rejecting tons of good-looking/average-looking girls because they didn't fit my standards.

I rejected hb9's who wanted a one-night-stand with me and so much.

High-standard males are out there, there's a good portion of them on here in TRP. There are men that are lacking experience not because they don't have enough game/looks/money it's because they're knocking down most of the population as something that's not suitable for them.

[–]_whistler 6 points7 points  (1 child)

No disrespect intended, but that sounds like a low-T thing. If your balls are full and you want to get 'em empty, a nice body is pretty much all you should need.

I'm willing to say that maybe my options are way more limited given I don't frequent major metro areas, but in my experience there are so few women worth more than the composition of their bodies, high standards in non-physical areas seems like a recipe for celibacy.

[–]trphardmode 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No disrespect intended, but that sounds like a low-T thing. If your balls are full and you want to get 'em empty, a nice body is pretty much all you should need.

Nope, this is an anger phase thing. If you are disgusted by the realization that women are mostly terrible people (just like all people), it can be hard to develop attraction. Once you get past the stages of grief it should correct itself (if not, then it is time to check your T levels).

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (10 children)

AM I to believe that many men here are turning down sex with 6's? I dont buy it. Maybe a 4, sure, but a 6 with a decent attitude is serviceable to most men.

[–]One_friendship_plz[S] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

More like not gaming them to the point they can be turned down. A lot of men don't want to put the effort into gaming a woman unless she's that great.

Pretty sure if these chicks said "want to have sex?" they'll say yes, but would they put any effort into impressing these women? No.

[–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I am. 8+ or not interested. "Servicable" is not good enough. A hooker is servicable and they'll be 8+.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

A hooker isn't free. Or is money no issue.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (3 children)

A non-hooker isn't free either: my time is worth money so gaming bitches with drinks, dinners, various activities, clubs, and lots of them to get ONE lay, that costs me. A hooker for an hour of guaranteed sex with a hot girl will cost me.

Know what? It's far, far cheaper to get 2 hookers at a time for 1 hour, each 9+ hotness and guaranteed sex, than to get the same from 2 girls trying to game them to both get in my bed who are not hookers. Far, far cheaper on my time.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yeah I don't do any of that. Not interested in gaming anyone. I got better things to do with my time. I'd just take a vacation somewhere if I needed to fill my quota or something.

[–]ActuallyARaptor 22 points23 points  (12 children)

I joked about fucking a fatty once and got banned from /r/fatpeoplehate

i detest them in every way possible but i can't even join an Internet community to vent

[–]Skank_of_America 18 points19 points  (5 children)

I don't particularly hate fat people, but fat women ESPECIALLY, love to shit-test the fuck out of guys and have an entitled attitude that reeks. Maybe not all of them, but that one girl I knew that one time............FUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK HER!

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Of course, that's their way of pretending to be 'alpha'. Act like a hot chick and merely think looks don't matter.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be fair they are emulating what they see works for others. Except the part about not putting everything edible in their mouths.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

dude their pussies reek too.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Attitude that reeks.

Also a butt that reeks too when they are constantly shitting themselves in public.

[–]KappaPill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Try to appeal the ban and hopefully get it revoked? Might as well try and convince them it was a joke and you won't do it again?

[–]ActuallyARaptor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've tried. they're digi-nazis over there

[–]SwagYoloJesus 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I got banned from there after saying something along the lines of "she'd be real pretty 40lbs lighter" :/

[–]the_code_always_wins 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They consider that showing sympathy for fat people.

[–]SwagYoloJesus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, but that's such BS. It makes no sense that this is considered sympathy, because they would need to lose the fat first (thus they'd be eliminated from the group that we hate) to become attractive. Banning for this is overkill.

[–]LeFlamel 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I wanted to gild this post for having the balls to say what needed to be said when it comes to gaming chicks but then this shit happened:

Get used to it men, and remember don't fuck fatties


If you're worried about how other people would view you because your plate is retarded then you're still beta. You shouldn't need another persons validation.


I'm not telling men to date/plate a bunch of uglies

You can't say looking to others for validation is beta and at the same time hold up socially agreed upon metrics for measuring worth. I went to an extremely BP high school and one thing I always noticed were that the guys with the highest standards were often the guys with the least action, making them awkward as fuck if they ever did get lucky. I didn't realize this until after my oneitis phase crashed and burned, when I took every opportunity available (read: low value sluts, chubsters, and butterfaces) to learn the tricks of the game. At the time I was just experimenting to be good in bed, but the more I did it the better I became at handling chicks in general, and also decreasing my anxiety over lack of pussy.

Unless you've already got game falling outta your ass, lowering your standards (especially if you've had no or little action) is a fairly effective tactic to quickly get you up to speed in experience. From there you can move up the food chain, just don't be that chubby BB with standards way above his paygrade.

[–]One_friendship_plz[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm really bad at wording my posts. The "don't fuck fatties" is just my personal feeling on not validating those hags.

My title wasn't clear enough to people. try to date women you don't like While dating down can mean the same thing to people, people have many reasons for not liking someone, but if you don't like someone then it shouldn't take much effort to be alpha.

A woman can be of higher status than me, and a hb10 and I'd still not like her if she slept with 1,000 guys.

[–]UnpluggedMan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Relevant Field Report Time:

I just did exactly this with a girl that was coming onto me pretty hard after we met working on a school project. It's working pretty well for me, but I'm also wondering what I'm going to do about the fact that she's obviously falling for me, and I just don't care that damn much.

Thing is, there are multiple other girls barking up this tree that I'm really interested in (a hot blonde I know from the same project, for instance). In general, I've experienced the predictable increase in attention over the last year from swallowing TRP, getting my shit together, getting in shape, learning to game, etc.

Trouble is, due to homeschooling and general beta conditioning by my well-meaning but full of shit mother, I was still a virgin until recently. That's a massive hit in the SMV department. I had so little sexual experience for so long that I had developed a mental block about going for one of the girls I'm actually into and looking like the foolish sexual novice that I knew I was (and still am, if less so).

So I selected an easy target, made it clear it was a nonexclusive relationship, and burnt that damn V card at long last. It was shitty the first time. It was better the second. I'm getting better at it quickly. I learned that physical technique during the deed doesn't really matter. The important thing is just to put the girl in the right submissive mindset while she's already super attracted to you, and go to town. Push her around. Be aggressive. It's all been said here a thousand times, but you have to actually experience their reaction before you can internalize the truth of it. Oh, and be in shape. Bitches really do love muscles.

Point is, I needed this experience. Now I've overcome the block. I can proceed over the summer with several of the girls I referred to before.

I will feel a bit bad when I have to drop this plate. I sense that she's developing oneitis for me, probably since I just don' give a shit, and thus my DGAF game is great. I doubt she'll let me get away with a soft next. I'll probably have to hard next her soon. Ah well, more valuable experience.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Here's the thing, if I date a girl below my standards, she gets super clingy, goes way out of her way to keep the relationship going, fakes the desire for sex, etc. They are doing everything they can to keep you. You aren't getting an accurate picture portraying alpha, you're just getting an accurate picture of what a 4 will do for an 8.

I agree you'll exhibit some alpha characteristics basically not giving a fuck about them, but honestly, I'd rather not deal with the easy kills, they are too wrapped up in their own delusions. It's just a bad experience for both parties.

[–]squarehead93 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You aren't getting an accurate picture portraying alpha, you're just getting an accurate picture of what a 4 will do for an 8.

I mean, if any woman you're seeing does things for you, it's because she perceives your SMV to be higher than you. It's the same principle even if she happens to be a model. If she's bending over backwards to keep you, it's because in her mind you have higher value and could walk away easier.

I'll admit I plated a chubby girl for a bit during a dry spell. Never gave me shit tests and the sex was free. She even paid for hotel rooms when needed. The sexual experience wasn't the important part; I was just busting a slump. The experience of fucking a woman and truly not caring at all about her was new for me. It was like a switch flipped. "If I get these results by doing this with a woman I truly perceive as beneath my SMV, what would happen if I applied the same principles to more attractive girls? They're no different on the inside." I'm now seeing someone much cuter but I've been able to apply the same principles. I'd say it's what you make of it. If you already have a regular supply of reasonably attractive women then maybe this is a waste of time. But for others it's a valuable lesson on RP principles in action for those who didn't think they could ever be "that guy."

[–]One_friendship_plz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know how to word my question for every member. Subjectively you're dating down. In reality, you're probably not even.

It's not about looks or anything like that, sometimes men just don't like a girl. It's not even about easy kills or anything like that.

A hb9 could approach me and I don't like her because she fucked 1,000 guys. Get it? I might find myself morally incompatible with her which would make me not give a shit about her. This is about dating girls you don't like, and I gave examples of some universal traits that would be a likely reason to not like a girl.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Good post. In sex and other things, beware of letting the perfect become the enemy of the good.

They say to reach for the best girls at the top of the tree instead of the easy ones at the bottom. Fine enough and it has its place, BUT I always say, to the lower quality woman, you are at the very top of HER tree, so to refuse ever engaging such an opportunity over an abstract principle seems a waste.

Even as only a thought experiment, it illuminates disparity and arbitrage in the sexual marketplace. Since we aspire to connect with women several points above ourselves in the SMP, what insight could you gain by considering the ramifications of being with someone several points below?

[–]One_friendship_plz[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I'm not just talking about appearance, I was the type of guy who would reject a hb9 with a great personality if she slept with more than 5 people.

I found little chance of applying TRP because I didn't like a vast majority of women on this planet.

[–]Skank_of_America 1 point2 points  (1 child)

As a non-monogamous guy, I have no problem with girls who aren't TOO slutty, but have slept with a fair number of guys. IT'S JUST THE WAY THE WORLD FUCKING IS, GET THE FUCK OVER IT!! Girls have it easier than guys to begin with, so just get used to it. If she stays with you for longer than the sex, then you're a champ. But, for the love of Jesus, don't get suckered by a girl who claims to like you, and is just trying to fuck you. Hotties are good at this shit. It's a trap and a shit-test of sorts, probably unconscious, but a test, nonetheless.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is the best advice for anyone trying to work on their game. What better way to practice not caring about woman, than to actually not care.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Nah, i don't get it. I am the type of guy you described here. High standards, very low experience. I don't want to even deal with girls who I'm not attracted to, physically or otherwise. I don't want to. That is enough. Even though sometimes we have to do things we don't want to, those are important things. Like working, studying, or whatever other responsibilities you have. But when it comes to unimportant things, like dating or fucking women, its all about doing what you want. If you force yourself to do shit you hate for no reason, you will be miserable. I know i would be. In that regard, life is about doing what you want, otherwise there's no point in living. I do whatever the fuck I want to do, whatever makes me feel good and makes me enjoy life. Bothering with 5s and 6s and even 7s is not something that appeals to me. Not because I feel like I am superior, or that they're beneath me. I am simply not motivated in any way, I don't care, I don't want to. That's the bottom line.

[–]lugubriusTRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This.i dropped my standards due to pressure from my friends and ended up regretting it deeply. If i could reverse time and undo it i would. No point compromising your standards just for a quick fuck.

[–]throwaway_jack_1 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I have a question though, if you could help me:

My (maybe mistaken) intuition tells me that fucking low value women might hinder your chances with higher value women in the long run, particularly in a "closed-social-system" like a small college or an office. Is this the case?

Of course we all want to fuck 9s and 10s, and I agree that getting experience with 6s might be useful. But if you fuck a 6s and people find out (of course one would try to be discrete but Ms. 6 might no be very reserved about her adventures), maybe when you're trying to game Ms. 9 she will think less of your value because you've picked up the "low ganging fruit" in the past.

I genuinly don't know the answer. What's your experience with this? Am I correct? I'm new to the Red Pill and maybe, as someone else in this thread described, a "Blue pill with Red Pill knowledge".

TL;DR: Would fucking 6s reflect poorly on your SMV in the long run?

I'd appreciate your answer /u/One_friendship_plz.

[–]One_friendship_plz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Depends on how you handle it, and your character.

I know 2 men who get away with this, one had sex with 6 co-workers and still managed to score the hb9 after a year of flirting.

I think they pulled it off by equally flirting with most girls who were 6+

The 9 was equally teased as was the 6 so it never seemed like they were weeding out easy game, and that it was just part of their character and they were natural alphas.

I would practice gaming all women, even if you don't want to fuck them. It'll improve your status massively, and your perceived SMV will rise in the 9's perception as she see's all the other girls are interested in you.

A lot of them are just trying to have fun in life and aren't analyzing things like you might think they are.

Don't fuck the 6's in your case until you gamed every woman and there's a decent amount of attraction built between a good portion of women. After that, you could tease the 9 about how a 6 is flirting with you, and ask her for her opinion..mess with her, if she shit-tests you or something you could fuck the 6.

In your case you'd just have to play it for the long-game, game a lot of women over a long period of time and build up rapport. Even if they're 6's, if a large number of 6's are respecting you and she's aware of it, she'll be more into you.

Otherwise just fuck a 6 outside your social circle.

[–]Iplaynakey 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I remember giving advise like this to my brother when he had trouble with girls back in high school. I used a soccer analogy :).

"Before you can play at Highbury, you have to play in the Mexican league to get better"

[–]voomer53 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"got to walk before you can run"

[–]WerewolfofWS 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Its like an RPG. You have to slay the lesser creatures in order to build up your XP points. Or I should say, SEX-P points :-D

[–]epixs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and being redpill just gives you better stats to do the same stuff ;]

[–]squarehead93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You beat me to it dude! I was gonna use that analogy.

To expand on what you said, 5s and 6s are like the level 1 rats in the dungeon that you kill to gain experience at the start of the game so that you can eventually take on the bigger creatures. Sure, it might be lame, but you know it's just a start.

But just like in a videogame, eventually killing the lv1 creatures is pointless because it no longer gives you much experience. You need to start fighting the big monsters to continue leveling up. Butterfaces and chubbies are for gaining experience, and if need be, dry spell busting or backup if your preferred choices flake out. They're not and shouldn't be the endgame.

I plated a cute but chubby girl for a couple months to bust a slump. Kept her on backburner while I was seeing a much prettier girl, who ended up leaving. I wasn't absolutely thrilled to be fucking her at any point, but I knew she was just a means till an end. Someone to make sure my sexual needs are met till I find someone better. Beats jacking off by myself at night. And as long as you treat it as nothing more, you'll be OK. In fact, you'll be gaining experience.

[–]marty2k 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's good to help get pussy off the pedestal. It helps you keep frame and maintain a "don't give a fuck" attitude when opportunities for sex with high quality women arise. It's just sex, who gives a fuck as long as she's a good lay, gets you hard, and not annoying.

[–]nomad-oz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I met a 17yr old schoolgirl on her work experience. She was a plain jane average looks, build, brains very polite and very submissive. She was starry eyed and developed a crush on me. 18mths later I run into her at the local corner shop. She happened to live in the area and we walked back past my place. She had no job so I said she could earn a few bucks washing, ironing and cleaning every Thursday. With her crush and being so submissive, inexperienced and lower SMV it was easy to make her do whatever I sexually wished. I barked instructions, treated her rough, and talked dirty to her, and she loved it.

It was because she was below my usual standard of woman that helped me to develop my sexual dominance. She wasn't the best looking but I had fun and got a lot of sexual confidence out of it.

[–]ShitfacedBatman 8 points8 points [recovered]

I disagree with this idea.

1 - The reward is not a reward.

2 - Those bitches you don't like will still be bitches, move the goalposts, and generally do ALL of the same bullshit hot chicks would do, if not more bullshit than hot chicks would do.

3 - They'll know you're not into them. While they're cunty, that doesn't mean they're less receptive to that particular fact. And the more they internalize it, the more shit they'll pull.

4 - Overall, it's a waste of time. But then I'm very MGTOW and am A-OK with skipping women I don't like.

[–]b38497988 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yup. I would rather spend those precious time working on getting myself better and raising my SMV rather than wasting it on some trash bitches. If you're gonna get experiences, get quality experiences.

[–]Nicolay77 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They'll know you're not into them.

That's my problem with this strategy. I can't do the poker face thing.

[–]NYCMusicMarathon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reddit wisdom I didn't see in the comments:

Don't put your dick in stupid.

If you procreate, remember stupid is stupid,
you owe 17% of your
income for 21 years.

Your name on a birth certificate as the father
IS NOT what you want.

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[–]RiseAboveRuin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmmm, I'm not lacking experience necessarily in terms of how many women I've slept with but I actually really like what was said here.

There are a few women I've currently been ignoring because A) they either annoy tf out of me or B) they aren't hot enough. I have gotten too comfortable with my current plates. Perhaps it's time to begin spinning a few more.

[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I literally try to imitate how I act around less attractive women, to more attractive women. The catch is being able to detect how valuable she finds you, and what you can afford to do.

[–]-Petulance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Brilliant for an abundance mentality knowing you'd fuck anything that walks (unassisted)

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would rather travel to Asia and get with hot 19 yo Ming

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can confirm. Used this exact trick on a girl who I thought had a 50/50 chance of issues (sheltered girl kind of thing) with sex, which I of course need.

Said, fuck it, even if its a peg lower on the SMV chart to do this, if the coinflip is in my favor, good girl. If not, then I bail nothing lost. Either way I had the frame that I expected it to not work. Natural frame, passed shit tests I didnt realize were shit tests until I thought back a few minutes after it happened due to natural frame.

Works fantastically.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

GREAT post. I suffer from high standards after breaking up with my gf who had HH cup tits.

Until the next big titty unicorn arrives, I'm plating 6s because they're easy lays and I truly don't give a shit.

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Well there's a good reason to avoid sluts with high partner counts: reduced std risk.

[–]Skank_of_America 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I deflowered my dick by sleeping with a slut, and let me tell you, NOTHING could have prevented me from raw-dogging that girl, and that's exactly what I did, but only 3 times. Then I got scared.

[–]chrisindub 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is solid advice for how to fuck ugly and annoying women.

A small percentage of guys may progress past this and end up with attractive women later if the PTSD isn't too bad.

[–]squarehead93 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The fucking bravado of this sub is hilarious sometimes. Show me any guy with a notch count well into the double digits, even dudes who are always with beautiful women, and I'll show you someone who probably fucked at at least a few chubbies and butterfaces. In fact, he probably took them whenever possible, in addition to his regular diet of 7 and 8s. Even the best have dry spells they gotta get out of somehow. Yeah, most people will draw the line at 4s and below, but does any man really think jacking off to porn by himself is better than fucking a woman who's mediocre in the looks department? At least if those are the two options available to him at the moment.

[–]projectself 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I fundamentally disagree.

You will never be perfect, life is a journey, not a destination. Having a mindset that you have to wait until you are ready is very self limiting. You have a choice here, the choice is "ok, right now, you're healed, now what?"

Go out there and live your life for you. Yes, you will make mistakes. That's fine. Yes, you will nuke relationships with girls you care about, that's fine, they're are new girls being made everyday. Do not settle for crap women because you think you are not worthy of a good one until you "practice". That is garbage mentality.

The world is yours, fucking take it. Learn as you go.

** edit to add.. if you are a weak spineless newby, you are not going to attract a high quality woman anyway, but do not call it practice. Hit the girls in your league, and move your league up as you go.

[–]One_friendship_plz[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You're missing the point because it wasn't directed at you. Are you a man with high standards and little experience?

There are men on here with standards that erases 95% of the dating pool. This has nothing to do with not being able to attract high quality women. This has everything to do with truly understanding alpha game.

You're disagreeing with what you don't understand.

[–]Skank_of_America 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, I fucked up plating, or whatever the hell you want to call it, a prime hottie, even when she threw herself at me the first week I knew her. Now, I'm facially a 9 or 10, depending on which girl you ask, but girls will not tolerate guys with zero game in the same way guys might. She ended up with an older guy, (twice her age), who is ugly and a sex addict, but the motherfucker has frame and is good with words.

It's still a lesson which is seared in my mind, forcing me to realize that I need some fucking practice, or I'm fucked.

[–]ayanamidex 0 points1 point  (11 children)

Young TRPer who has been a member for a few months now. I'm inexperienced with knocking down shit-tests properly, have never had sex, and don't know what type of girl is DTF. According to you, there are plenty, so where do I look?

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (9 children)

They're right in front of you: all the girls are DTF when you show you are high-value enough. So if you aren't now you need to get more fit, get more mental experience on how to make good conversation & show that value but a ton of it is your physique and never ever be less than 100% on hygiene. Not dental, not hair, not clothes & scent. Ever. You go right to the bottom of the pile if you lapse on anything. Obvious exception if a girl realizes she's just run into you have a hard day of work or just back from jogging. They're not all so stupid they can't comprehend you haven't had a chance to clean up yet.

[–]ayanamidex 0 points1 point  (8 children)

A few things I might be set back on: hair (I'm in the Air Force), and clothes (I'm a metalhead)

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (7 children)

well then: if you know the girls don't value this or that, you know what the problem is, and you know change is a choice. Choice is yours to do as suits you. There's also lots of women with different tastes and you can adapt to different groups or have them adapt to you.

Once upon a time there was a man. He wore bandanas. The most absurd colours but he wore those too, not just ones that looked gangsta. Could be hot pink or turqoise and he'd wear them.

Know what? Many times I remember him having 2 sofas full of hot bitches and not only did they drool all over him (and he was actually kinda ugly), he had all of them wearing those bandanas like it was how he marked the women as his property.

I will not forget that sight.

[–]ayanamidex 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Thanks for the advice; I hope I can find the right group for me

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

don't fuck fatties (Validating them for being piece of shits.)

Why would you care if fat women get validated or not? If it's just a plate to you I don't see why you would care.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want to fuck her though, why do that? You're not losing anything by fucking her, who cares if she's gaining something?

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[–]Skank_of_America 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was some post somewhere on the interwebs that stated that virgins are so unsure of themselves that they don't have control of their motor skills and walk into walls, etc. Yes, simply not being a virgin already improves your ability to talk to women, for instance, since most of them will not be virgins, duh, and you can relate to them talking openly about sex and get them going in the direction you want.

[–]-Quotidian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a guy with retarded standards who's done this in the past...yeah, you know what you're talking about. I've even done this before I began unplugging, and it worked beautifully even when I was oblivious to feminine and masculine nature. It was...a fascinating experience, but I'd always feel guilty at how little I actually cared about them and would pull away before I could close to avoid "using" them. Retarded, I know, but our pre-TRP selves tend to be.

My question for you is: why bother with the town bicycles? That seems like a massive STD risk, even with protection. Vetting for partner counts is a tricky business, from what I hear, but seems well worth it. Catch something permanent and your future just wound up gutted.

There was a post a while back about the benefits of traveling away from your places of business and residence to practice game. Cold approach, hit bars, spit crazy game, etc--all of that where nobody knows who you are and your reputation is harder to shit on. Cut your teeth in different environments, in different locations. More experience, less recognition. Any thoughts on that?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Man WTF, I told a dude to never fuck fat girls a few days ago and I got down voted to hell.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

say it with your chest, lil ass nigga

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This sub cares little for the content of what your saying, delivery is everything.

[–]musicvita25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im currently dating a "curvy" girl. Not going to lie, she turns me the fuck on. She has a big fat juicy ass, and tits so big that it's hard not to nut when they are in my face. Lil bit of a stomach, but not disgusting at all.

But after a few fucks with me, shes on some ridiculous diet so hardly eats, and over the last few weeks you can see her slimming down, and she was a 7 before but is slowly working her way into an 8.

This is because of my subtle influence of me going to the gym and genuinely trying to be healthy.

I did a Barney Stinnson and got my bitch to start losing weight. Only difference is I didnt pay, she did it all her self.

Shes very attractive anyway but wasnt my usual type, so i agree with this post.

[–]thor_away92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My level of self respect is too high to fuck women I'm not attracted to

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I was thinking about this the other day. I had some relationships with girls who were VERY into me but that feeling was one sided. I had a good time and see a lot of what OP is saying.

I will say however you cant soar with eagles if you hang out with turkeys.

Nothing wrong with plating (READ BANGING) girls that you are not that into, however DO NOT get into a relationship with one of these women. THEY WILL BRING YOU DOWN. They will compromise your lifestyle and goals. And after they bring you down to their shit tier level they will leave and you will have to BUILD yourself all over again.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD do not get one pregnant.

If you are using practice girls for longer than a few months you are going to fuck yourself in the long run.

[–]ConcealingFate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man, I remember about 2 years ago.

This was all before I even knew what TRP was. Met a girl online, turns out she's a bit chubbier than her pictures and she's got a bit of issues due to her father having mommy issues and her mom leaving them in the ditch.

We meet, drink and have fun. Go back to my parents', she sucks me dry the entire night because she doesn't have sex on the first date. She was damn good at it but I had a weird feeling about her so I didn't really want to date her. So, 2 days later she invites me to her place, cooks dinner and we fuck all night. I'd meet her when I wanted and we'd fuck like rabbits. It was great. Eventually she started pushing for more and I bailed. Truth is, I didn't feel all that bad. The sex was awesome, she cooked pretty damn well and was still kinda fun to be around but she didn't fit my standards.

[–]foomfoomfoom 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There's women who you don't like and then there's women who don't impress you. I think most awkwardness comes from being impressed by a woman. And that's usually the result of projecting all kinds of non-existent superpowers into her.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is definitely true. I've done this unintentionally. Dated attractive dumb chicks or chicks who were hot, but not a good match (personality/intelligence wise).

I tried dating women I wasn't attracted to. It was difficult for me to even get hard for them and yet I still didn't give a fuck. I can't fuck with 6's and below unless I'm on a drought and already horny. They can't turn me on.

But I can still use them to practice game and what not.

[–]situ139 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used to be the guy with "high" standards and little experience. I needed that perfect girl, the one with a great face, great personality, great tits and ass, great everything. I would not settle for anything less than what I wanted.

Then one evening after masturbating to some porn I thought....

The girl I am looking for would want nothing to do with me. She would rather stick needles in her eyes than have sex with me. I simply did not have the SMV to get a girl like that interested in me.

The next day I went out and approached without looking for the perfect girl. Soon I landed a date with a somewhat cute girl, nice face but a bit chubby and cool personality. Around a 5. We dated a few more times and that was it, then ten the next girl came. Slightly more attractive but a weaker personality then the next came, good personality and attractive but somewhat bad teeth. After going through probably 7 "uglier" girls I learned that every girl is going to have their flaws, the 8 I briefly dated was great in all areas of her life but her personality was very grating. There's always going to be something you don't like about your girlfriend, wife or plates and there is always going to be something you like about your wife, plates or girlfriend. She may be fat but she gives a great blowjob and cooks for you, she may be a butter face but she has a great ass and lets you do anything you want to it.

If you aren't dating down you simply are missing out on a lot of stories and experiences, just because you fuck a fat girl doesn't mean you have to take her to your friends wedding or be seen in public with her.

But I don't want to validate a fat girl.

So what? Who cares if you validate some fat girl with your golden cock. If you don't validate her someone else will.

[–]scummcdirt 1 points1 points [recovered]

What about reputation?

The people who you associate with, can help or hurt your reputation.

If you are in a large community, then this is not a big deal, but if you are in a small one, this can not only kill your chances romantically, but also affect your career.

So always have a good understanding of your situation(easier said then done). If it would affect your reputation in some adverse way if it was discovered you boned stink cooch magee, then don't do it.

[–]One_friendship_plz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess my situation is a little better, I have multiple social circles. 2 jobs with completely different social circles, and a social circle for my hobbies.

Got nothing to lose.

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[–]Super-Saiyajin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw a comment earlier that men shouldn't be worried about what other people think about them. But your image and reputation should be important to you. How people treat you will be determined by their perception of you. Men I know that have fucked fat women have no gauge for their standards and are worth about as much as the fat chick they slept with.

Seems like as long as they aren't fat you should be ok!

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