Rant/VentingI was asked to train a new female employee to do the promotion I got passed on. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by [deleted]x3

I want to start this out by saying that the female coworker I trained wasn't coasting and she really wanted to learn how to do the job, but most importantly do it right. I had been working for this outfit for about 2 years, and every foreman I had worked with had giving me great reviews. A position opened up which was basically the same thing I had been doing, but instead of residential work, it would be more on the commercial side. This new title came with a substantial pay raise and I made it very clear to my bosses that I wanted the job. A week or so went by and they had me take written tests to see how well I knew everything incumbent to the job, I passed every single test without getting single answer wrong. This job was mine. I busted my ass. Then I get the word that they hired someone to fill the position. I was bummed out to say the least, but to make it worse it was someone with no prior experience and I had to train them on how to do the job. This person happened to be female and day one during training was getting paid almost twice as much as myself. I didn't take it lightly and requested a meeting with my superiors. They told me that it was because a quota for minorities had to be filled (even though the person who left and created the vacancy was a white male) and that I should just keep doing what I have been doing and it will all work out for me. I walked out of that office, thought about it for a minute, walked back in and quit. I got the job I was looking for at a competing company with in a week. Like I said I have nothing against the person who got the job, she was eager to learn and do it the right way, but that doesn't mean I had to take it sitting down.

You don't have to stand and take the bullshit that comes your way.

edit: I want to thank the people who gave me gold. I had no idea this submission was going to get this kind of attention.

[–][deleted] 934 points935 points  (210 children)

What happened was you made yourself too valuable in the position you were in and they did not think you had the balls to quit.

They found out otherwise.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 352 points353 points  (147 children)

Yep, law 46 violation - http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/law-46.html

If you are a "perfect bartender" you will never become bar manager. They'll get someone who's bossy with shittier social skills to be the bar manager. Basically, be good, but not too good. Too good is barely better than too bad. People get jealous, and you will be passed up for promotion by superiors "because you're just so great on the bar earning half the wage you would as bar manager." Be "above average" but never "excellent." Sounds retarded I know, but this is human psychology we're talking about. People think "being the best" will get them all the rewards. Unless you're pioneering new technology, this is wrong.

[–][deleted] 94 points95 points  (116 children)

OP's ultimate action of quitting was however enacting law 20:

Do Not Commit to Anyone

It is the fool who always rushes to take sides. Do not commit to any side or cause but yourself. By maintaining your independence, you become the master of others – playing people against one another, making them pursue you.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 137 points138 points  (115 children)

Their flawed assumption was assuming his commitment to the job was unconditional and that his skills would not attract more lucrative offers should he be open to them. They lost a skilled employee and got an inexperienced one because of affirmative action. That company just became less profitable. I know if I was a shareholder in such a company; I wouldn't be happy seeing my investment behave in this way.

[–]Robalypse 59 points60 points  (19 children)

Yeah, that was just poor leadership through and through. People have this sense that employees are easily replaceable, and they are if you have no regard for quality, but good employees are hard to come by. In every leadership role I've been in, I have highly valued my star employees and tried to assist them in moving ahead. Hiring someone from outside ahead of a star employee and gambling on their loyalty is just moronic.

This of course applies to all relationships. Know your value, and if it's not being properly appreciated, say screw 'em and look for greener pastures.

[–]grewapair 31 points32 points  (16 children)

Their excuse is bullshit. They could have promoted him and found a woman for his old position.

[–]Dev_on 9 points9 points [recovered]

I'm more inclined to believe OP was abrasive, and his new boss would rather have someone more amicable in the position

friends matter

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (13 children)

T&A matters in sales too. Believe that.

[–]Heizenbrg 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Guess this is why I'm having a hard time finding a job. everyone hires internally, nobody hires virtual outsiders unless you prostitute yourself networking.
If positions are filled already why post the job? you're just wasting people's time.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Securing and retaining key talent should be just about job one. Without that you are going out of business. Plus it just makes your life much easier as a boss.

[–][deleted] 62 points63 points  (93 children)

Honestly if I ever own a company or become upper management in one (perhaps unlikely given I'm not a black disabled lesbian) I would kill any whiff of "affirmative action" that came my way. If I was CEO then I would make sure that phrase couldn't even be uttered. It's such a ridiculous concept, it's like the manifestation of Tumblr in real life.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 171 points172 points  (84 children)

Reverse affirmative action is even funnier. Asians need higher test scores than other ethnicities to get into college because they do so well across the board. You don't hear SJWs whining about that.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (74 children)

Holy shit you serious? Surprised I never heard of that before. That's some serious Harrison Burgeron shit.

[–]2alisonstone 83 points84 points  (41 children)

Asians are currently at about a 150 SAT point handicap compared to whites when applying to the top colleges. They are at a 400 point handicap compared to blacks. If you look at the University of California schools that actually have no racial quota, you'll find that half of the student body is Asian.

[–]wanderer779 43 points44 points  (39 children)

from what I've seen they do little whining about it compared to white people. They just keep running their businesses and making money.

I know someone who works at a school in the top 20 on the US news and world report rankings. She told me that if they did away with quotas their school would be almost entirely asian. I think they should just let it happen and broadcast it on TV every day that the asians are kicking our asses because they are studying and being diligent and while we watch TV. Instead we'll just hand pieces of paper to people and hope that solves the problem. Meanwhile China has surpassed us in GDP and is growing their economy 3x faster than we are.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 22 points23 points  (24 children)

Meanwhile China has surpassed us in GDP and is growing their economy 3x faster than we are.

Not true my friend.

USA GDP is 16 trillion USD

CHINA GDP is 6 trillion USD.

And by the by Europe's GDP (without even counting all countries only euro countries) is 18 trillion USD.

[–]Nebulose11 9 points10 points  (0 children)

China is using their future economy as their current economy. They count each house that has been built as though it has been sold.

They are creating an institutionalized housing bubble. It will crash and China's economy will feel the pain.

[–]fabreeze 23 points24 points  (6 children)

China has surpassed us in GDP and is growing their economy 3x faster than we are.

Not the best metric considering they're destroying their environment and thus, their long term economic prosperity in doing so

edit: their > they're

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

There's currently a class-action lawsuit from Asians against some Ivy League school because they won't accept them because there's "too many Asians there now"

[–]1aguy01 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Good for them. Hope they win.

[–]wllm4821 5 points6 points  (23 children)

The thing is, if all you needed to get in a college were great grades, Ivy League colleges would be filled with Chinese women. Ultimately, they need other criteria to fill the vacant positions.

[–]Hideydid 10 points11 points  (3 children)

And they totally wouldn't get insider trade secrets at American firms to give back to the Chinese government after a few years when the move back.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (16 children)

In the UK as far as I know there aren't any diversity quotas at universities and this hasn't happened. I'm sure the top unis (Oxford and Cambridge) have more Asians than the average but there's still plenty of other races there too.

[–]2alisonstone 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I'm not sure if any university actually has diversity quotas. They do it indirectly by valuing certain stuff like lacrosse (predominantly white players) as a sport more than others. I remember reading an article about how some computer science professors tried to use machine learning techniques to see if they can replicate the admissions process of their university because it is very tedious to have so many people read so many applications. The computer figured out that it could imitate the admissions process nearly perfectly if it first divided all candidates by race, and then looked at qualifications (i.e. choose the highest GPA and test scores from each race). Basically, the admissions officers were doing something that looked exactly like having a strict race quota, except they do it in a roundabout way by valuing arbitrary measures more than others and fiddling around with it until they got the racial numbers they wanted.

Most schools do have a quota on international students, so it's not like it will be filled with Asian international students. I'm not sure about how many Asians are in the U.K., but there are enough Asian Americans (non-internationals) in the U.S. that if you only looked at SAT scores and GPA, they would end up making up something like half of the students at the top 10 colleges.

[–]wanderer779 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I say let it happen. The time to correct inequalities in education is much earlier. You can't just stuff these people into college and think that will solve anything.

I was reading an article written by an admissions officer a while back and she said that poor rural white males were the most disadvantaged group in the admissions process. Being a poor rural white male I figured I'd probably be eligible for some special scholarships or gov money, but I wasn't. /s

[–]thejynxed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Outside of the G.I. Bill, as a rural male of any stripe you aren't getting shit.

[–]garlicextract 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Affirmative action has helped one group more than any other. Guess which?

Black men? It was designed specifically for them, right? No, it's helped them only a minuscule amount.

Hispanic men? Dude, if it didn't help black men why would it help hispanics?

Asian men? Hahahaa, it's hurt them a significant amount.

The answer: WHITE WOMEN!


Affirmative action has helped white women the most, scarcely hurt white men (white guys on this forum really need to stop bitching about being the 'most oppressed' today), slightly helped black men, and done a huge number on Asian [men].

[–]AnalogSignal 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The very same white men who act like a victim and bitch about affirmative action also indirectly benefits from affirmative action because white women tend to be married to white men.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children)

AT point handicap compared to whites when applying to the top colleges. They are at a 400 point handicap

Asian highschool senior here. I just applied to colleges and this shit is pretty real. Not complaining for myself, i know my scores were above average but not great. This one Asian kid im friends with in physics class definitely got affected by this shit. hes so fucking smart he corrects our Russian physics professor. He got denied from his top choices. there was a white kid who applied to the same top choice and had lower GPA and scores but got in. Racial makeup quotas are a bitch.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 17 points18 points  (3 children)

hes so fucking smart he corrects our Russian physics professor.

Tell him to stop doing that because correcting your higher-up's will only piss them off, giving them no incentive to help you along. Tell him to read the 48 laws of power, and specifically, to read this:


[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Actually, misused the word friend. Hes more of a valued work partner for his pure academic intellect and work ethic. Hes the kid that you want to partner up for lab but I can't say i would hang out with him. Hes as blue pill as it gets, he is 5'1 and wears the same Disney Frozen shirt and cargo pants daily. I love working in Lab with him, hes got an admirable moral compass, but he definitely is not one to spend out of school time with or give any sort of red medicine.

[–]RedRisingHood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Asians never really complain yet they are shafted by american society.

The lesson is, don't be skilled or intelligent, be a whiny brat with a victim complex.

[–]Nudity_Is_Freedom 6 points6 points [recovered]

For some trades it becomes a simple business decision to pursue affirmative action quotas, not ideological at all. We have to accept the world we live in and use that.

If you own an insulation company, for example, some government contracts prefer your bids if you meet diversity quotas. Having a gender and ethnicity mix may make OP's employer a lot more money than a competent employee, based simply off getting lucrative contracts.

I'd follow quotas too, if it's simple math.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's a fair point, if you rely on government money and that money is subject to meeting diversity quotas it starts to make more sense, although I'm sure we can agree the government should not be encouraging this bullshit in the first place.

Luckily the business I'm working on right now does not need government money and if it ever takes off properly I'll stick to what I said above.

[–]Dev_on 1 points1 points [recovered]

you do realize there's no shortage of white guys in middle/upper management right?

No one tells the story unless theres some drama. I'm positive no one would postr about how they got promoted, or didn't unless there was a compelling reason to say so

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I disagree. If you do EXCEPTIONALLY WELL at GETTING ALONG WITH PEOPLE, you will move up regardless of how excellent you are at the "tasks" related to your job. People who get along with and influence other people have the rarest skill, and good management will always move them forward instead of others when the opp presents itself.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My first employee review I was apart of, my foreman said that I made the day easier because of how well I got a long with with everyone. I am just like anyone else, I want the day to go as well as it could be.

[–]dennislang 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Only be the best if you own equity in what you're doing and your paycheck is a function of how much effort you put in.

[–]FrameWalker 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You want to own the best. If you can own your work, being the best has huge payoffs. Top 10% get 90% of profits in many sectors.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's the difference between an employer and an employee. Or, being the best, but self-employed.

[–]NikolaTeslaMGTOW 8 points9 points  (6 children)

This doesn't really apply

A position opened up which was basically the same thing I had been doing, but instead of residential work, it would be more on the commercial side.

It was the same job. But the law is still valid. There is also a detailed explanation of how corporations work, it has three parts, the losers, the clueless, and the sociopaths, and it fits TRP pretty well. Not sure if its true or not, but it seemed solid on my first pass. You will have to google for it though.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 11 points12 points  (4 children)

the losers, the clueless, and the sociopaths, and it fits TRP pretty well. Not sure if its true or not, but it seemed solid on my first pass. You will have to google for it though.

Yeah the Gervais principle; it was posted here ages ago.

[–]NikolaTeslaMGTOW 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I came across it somewhere non-manosphere related I'm pretty sure, but it makes a lot of sense so knowing it was posted here gives more weight, I should go look up that thread.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Isn't this related to the Gervais principle somehow?

Edit - never mind. Saw your comment below.

[–]SuperSlavisWife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jon found this out the hard way. His old job was awful. He was stuck dealing with the more difficult coworkers and was even told by upper management to "get (manager) to do her job", despite being beneath her and that she could get him fired over "pressuring" her.

Once he left his old job was advertised as £7K more than he'd been on. The replacement quit shortly after the first few weeks. They then needed two people to replace him, both of them at the higher salary... They quit too. Apparently his old department is still degrading rapidly and they're trying to replace him with numbers.

He was literally the cement holding the whole place together and not only did they not compensate him for his extra time and work, they basically bullied him into leaving.

[–]foldpak111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with the tech part, but this also applies to special operations. I'm not one but I have a couple family members who are and they are textbook golden boys.

[–][deleted] 131 points132 points  (49 children)

In retrospect that is definitely right. At the time, when i decided to move on it was more of a respect thing. I agree completely.

[–]herpes_delivery_man 24 points24 points [recovered]

When you quit, did they say anything?

If they didn't at least try to persuade you not to quit, then they really didn't give a fuck about you and thought of you as replaceable.

[–]Thomaskingo 15 points15 points [recovered]

Anyone is replaceable. It is a cost/benefit-question!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They were surprised when I walked back in and quit. They did ask me why and I said something to the effect of this wasn't the best opportunity for myself and it was time to move on. I think a big reason on why they didn't just offer me more money to stay was the same reason they didn't give me the job. It became a "who knows best" kind of mentality. They didn't want me deciding the terms as much as I didn't want to accept theirs.

[–]gweneverexoxo 51 points52 points  (40 children)


but becareful of economical and social positioning. they are our way to the top.

next time something like this happens, call a meeting like you did, but instead of quiting on the spot, give them an ultimatum, promote of ill quit and send up your resignation papers. this way you burn less bridges.

another way to go about this is to stay in your position, but line up another job and then quit. this way you dont have much risk quiting.

[–]NikolaTeslaMGTOW 68 points69 points  (18 children)

I don't really know if ultimatums work. They already thought you were a bitch and would take it, which is why they didn't promote you. And even if it was affirmative action why wouldn't he get promoted and she get his job, or everyone gets promoted and she starts at the bottom since she has no experience which would make the most sense.

It could also be nepotism.

Anyway I think the problem is they didn't respect him and he should think about why that might be so in the future he will have less risk of quitting and people won't step on him. In the 50 laws of power I think they talk about how ultimatums are a sign of having no power because if you had power you wouldn't need to make an ultimatum (most of the time).

[–]puppetmstr 19 points20 points  (5 children)

It is the only powerplay you can do without actual power.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

In this case Op had no power, nuclear option was the only thing on the table. Prior warning should have been put on the table, even as far as telling them before the selection was made- "If I dont get this I am leaving"

[–]Palpetinus 4 points5 points  (2 children)

For OP, that was out of question. OP was pretty sure he'll get it and was overconfident.

[–]Rathadin 14 points15 points  (1 child)

If you pass every test they ask you to pass, and do so perfectly, have excellent performance reviews, then its not overconfidence... its rational thought process.

He got fucked, period. And then fucked them back, hard. Good on you OP.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It happened in my office. A guy in the same position give them an ultimatum--"give me some writing responsibilities or I'm out" and lo and behold he's running a smaller project now as a test run. Unfortunately they have this terrible habit of test running people without the pay....

[–]1independentmale 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I don't really know if ultimatums work.

I consider an ultimatum both a threat and an attempt to manipulate and control me. As a result I have a policy of calling that shit every time. "If you don't x, I'm going to y." Do it then, you pussy. You may have been able to persuade me using reasonable negotiation tactics but now I'm going to do everything in my power to ensure x doesn't happen.

If you let someone force your hand with an ultimatum, he will do it again and again.

[–]Rathadin 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Yeah, I'm not a fan of ultimatums either. We can discuss things rationally, but if you come to me saying what you will and won't do, I'll be telling you that you won't be collecting a paycheck and that you will be getting a pink slip.

[–]EightyTimes 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Line up another job. Call the meeting. Tell them you've lined up another job. You get the promotion at double salary (what that chick they hired instead is getting) OR you just want a raise (do the same job, but at the higher salary) or you walk.

If they cave, you show them you don't fuck around and they won't pass you up again in the future. If they don't cave, you have another job so fuck them.

[–]darkrood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

make sure you got the 2nd job, and it's a stable option.

I've heard people who left my company begging to retract their resignations when their new prospect went busto.

it's okey to do it, just make sure you have a parachute.

[–]alpha_n3rd 25 points26 points  (15 children)

next time something like this happens, call a meeting like you did, but instead of quiting on the spot, give them an ultimatum, promote of ill quit and send up your resignation papers. this way you burn less bridges.

Dangerous. They might label you "the disloyal guy" and find a way to show you the door whenever it's convenient for them, like after you're finished training your replacement.

It's a lot safer to job-hop.

[–]1User-31f64a4e 3 points4 points  (5 children)

I've seen this go both ways.
I've seen guys hold a company for hostage repeatedly and get away with it.
I've seen guys considered disloyal for this, and ultimately replaced.

[–]PotatosAreDelicious 5 points6 points  (3 children)

The key is not to be a dick about it and just present yourself with a calm head and your intent laid clearly out.
Everyone is replaceable but if you bring value to your position and are truly being undervalued they are not going to want to replace you.

[–]1independentmale 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The key is not to be a dick about it

Giving an ultimatum is being a dick. You tell them what you want and if you don't get it, then you do what you have to do. There's no need to threaten somebody with "if you don't, I'm going to."

I was once passed over for a promotion. I thanked them for considering me and started looking for a new job. I'd take a few hours of vacation time for morning interviews, then show up to work in a suit and tie to finish the remainder of my day. They figured it out on their own and promoted me rather quickly. I didn't have to verbally threaten anyone.

[–]PotatosAreDelicious 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Okay.. You don't walk in and say "So here is the deal, give me a promotion or I'm leaving". You say something along the lines of.
"I'm not real happy because of this and this and it seriously makes me doubt my employment here if you aren't respecting my value to this company. These are the things that need to be done for me to feel happy with my employment here..."
You aren't threatening the person directly. You are "doubting your employment" at the company. They know what you are going to do if they don't nut up. In the mean time go look for another job.
This is what adults do. They present their concerns and if their concerns aren't met they get them met They don't just walk out on the spot because their needs weren't met without establishing what needs to be done to make them happy at their current role and without getting a new job.

[–]NeopolitanAfterglow 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Dangerous. They might label you "the disloyal guy"

An employee being labelled disloyal is like a man being labeled a cheater. Intuitively it seems like a bad thing, but it's social proof and it just makes women/employers more wet for you.

[–]alpha_n3rd 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Admittedly I've never tried this myself but the standard internets advice is "don't do it".

I also worked for a successful business owner who's blanket policy was to refuse to give in to any ultimatums and instead consider the given employee to have resigned on the spot thus avoiding having to terminate him and pay for his unemployment.

[–]arbyq5000 2 points2 points [recovered]

consider the given employee to have resigned on the spot thus avoiding having to terminate him and pay for his unemployment.

this successful business owner may be paying much more in UC insurance than you think

[–]alpha_n3rd 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't think so. Did I mention he's a lawyer?

"Give me a raise or I quit"

"No raise, resignation noted, bye"

[–]Wowimo 3 points3 points [recovered]

You only do that if you have another job lined up first.

[–]Thethrowawayoption 12 points12 points [recovered]

Doing a good job is still a good choice though because it gets you that next job (at a different company) really fast. It's much easier in general to get large pay raises by switching companies than by getting promoted within the same company, so I'd argue that should be the default strategy for guys who aren't afraid.

[–]BowsNToes21 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I second this. People always told me I was a fool for doing extra work outside my job scope and I would never be rewarded. At one point I was doing reports and creating financial models using SQL for our brand new database. I had to teach myself to code and learned it very well.

Did that for six months and now I'm a financial analyst at another company making an extra 23k more then I was making before.

Every time someone had mentioned about them using me I laughed on the inside because I was using them to get paid to learn a valuable skill and get work experience.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They found someone without balls to fill the position he wanted. Badum tssssch!

[–]skoobled 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a very real danger when you're actually excellent at your job. Cf Gervais principle

[–]yaardi 104 points105 points  (23 children)

Congrats on the courage to quit, mate. Lots of people would have accepted it.

[–]Danedina 198 points199 points  (33 children)

The lesson here is not that you should walk away from your job when they fail to treat you with respect.

The lesson here is that you always need to keep yourself financially independent enough so that you can walk away for whatever reason.

Ask yourself right now: how many months could I survive without my current paycheck?

[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (27 children)

I think the lesson here is in today's job market always be looking to move, different departments, different companies, and even different fields, picking up skills and networking the whole way. There's (probably) no reason OP couldn't have monkey branched over before he quit. My big mistake in my career is that I thought loyalty counted for something when no one really gives a shit.

[–]Ovadox 80 points81 points  (7 children)

My big mistake in my career is that I thought loyalty counted for something when no one really gives a shit.

This is the red pill for your career. My current moto is "Fuck you, pay me."

[–]Scroph 37 points38 points  (3 children)

My current moto is "Fuck you, pay me."

It reminded me of a video I once saw about all the crap freelance programmers have to deal with.

"I have a million dollar idea website. Make me that website and then once it gets popular, I will give you a portion of said million dollars. But don't worry about not getting paid, this is a sure thing."

To which of course the response should be :

"Fuck you, pay me."

[–]abcd_z 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It reminded me of a video I once saw about all the crap freelance programmers have to deal with.

This one. It should be required watching for anybody going into a web development or web design career.

[–]craig_hoxton 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The response should be: "I'm not your mom so I don't do it for free."

[–]zeus450 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Fuuuuuuuuuck you, pay me

-John Goodman

[–]PlanB_pedofile 12 points13 points  (5 children)

There was once an era where loyalty to a company meant something. A person with 30 years in will progress quite well through the field. Unfortunately today it seems the only way to expand is to quit and move to something new.

I've done that and got burned. Jumped to a new job and a 50% salary increase only to see the company i jumped to do poorly financialy and was laid off with 70% of the other staff in 2 years. The company went belly up in year 3. The recovery job seeking was a salary decrease.

But that was a bad luck brian moment.

Alas business today is like relationships. Hypergamy of the work place.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Yep... business (jobs and careers) went from marriage to hookup culture.

I'm willing to bet businesses that have dealt with both would much prefer the old deal where employees were hired with the expectation they'd stick around until they retired as opposed to the new deal where employees monkey branch every 2 years or so.

[–]marty2k 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Part of that deal is that you promote people and give them raises fairly consistently, not keep them on the same pay grade same job until they retire. Business are like women, hypergamous.

[–]iukenbo 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Hooo. Im currently at this position. I think my job's shitty because I almost do all the work. Now, a higher position is waiting for me (HR prioritized me) and my boss advised me not to jump ship because they think I'd have no growth path in that position. Before that, I heard from HR that he won't recommend me because I'll be hard to replace. The position pays higher and is significantly more superior than what I have right now but I'm afraid my boss is right :/

[–]1grubek 33 points34 points  (1 child)

I would not listen to your boss. He just wants to keep his bitch that does all the work (that's you obviously).

It might be true it might be false, your boss does not care. He just wants to keep his bitch and will say whatever necessary, truth or false. You obviously are a bit naive and that's why he thinks it can work on you.

Ignore what your boss tells you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Don't go by what your boss tells you. Go by their actions. Much like women the truth will come out in their actions. If you're being shitted on by your boss like the OP then the actions will show that even if your boss is saying you're super awesome and we're lucky to have you in our company!.

[–]Thomaskingo 12 points12 points [recovered]

Your career is like a shark: if it isn't moving forward, then its dying!

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That sounds a lot like OP "and that I should just keep doing what I have been doing and it will all work out for me". It's true if you pass on position B because position C might open up and that's a more direct path to the much better position D. I remember similar things being told to me. Today I would say fuck sacrificing now for future reward. In general that's a good life philosophy, but at work it has almost never panned out. Opting for position B might cap your ultimate potential at your current company, but I highly doubt adding it to your resume hurts your chances at other companies. There are a million different things to consider, but the big thing that would prevent me in a similar spot is if I was going to be working for/with idiots. Being surrounded by constant stupidity is a major stressor for me.

[–]1cover20 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The position is waiting, HR has "prioritized" you. Why aren't you in that position today? What is the position waiting for? Not sure HR is being completely truthful here.

[–]Robalypse 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's pretty classic from current bosses. If you're a good employee, that means your leaving will make their entire work life more difficult so unless they're a good and somewhat selfless person, they aren't really going to want that to happen. I was in the same position a while back ago. Could have stuck in my former department that I hated doing all the work for my bosses, or take a leap to a different department with higher pay. Definitely glad I jumped ship. Always go for the promotion, even if it's the top of the ladder in that department, you'll have it on your resume and jump into a higher role somewhere else even easier.

[–]xPURE_AcIDx 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Be in the level of Fuck You. (from the gambler)


[–]tedcase 1 point2 points  (0 children)

3 comfortably, 5 at a push.

[–]SleepNowMyThrowaway 96 points97 points  (2 children)

Back when I worked summers on a road crew to pay for school I had something similar happen.

We worked several weeks on a few projects then I was let go - which floored me as I had worked there the prior summer and had had no problems the current summer.

Found out they had switched from local work and had taken on a new job that required a certain percentage of "minorities" so I as a lowly summer worker and of the wrong sex/race, was ditched.

Didn't overly bother me, although the pay was fantastic, especially with the overtime. I felt sorry for the others that were laid off however; they sure as heck weren't glib about being let go, no matter how temporary it might have been.

I reflected then, and still believe today, shafting qualified people to appease some special minority group is a sure fire way to gin up authentic hatred for said groups, as well as the government that mandates such policy.

[–]TerriChris 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I saw three white male managers get fired and replaced my two white women and a black guy. One of the women earned it the other two were not a fit. One of the women was double promoted with in a few months. The black guy was cool but was not capable to do his staff engineer job.

[–]ireallyamnothere 33 points33 points [recovered]

They fed you a line of shit. It had nothing to do with filling a position with a minority or a woman. The minority/woman thing was them trying to dodge responsibility for their decision and make the government the bad guy. Know how I know? They could have promoted you and then used her to fill your old position and they would have met their quotas.

No, they lied to you straight up because they didn't have integrity.

It sounds like you got really, really good at what you do and they couldn't afford to lose your expertise in your position, so they thought they could keep your skill and expertise and also get some new fresh blood that could do a good job as well.

I've had that happen to me more than a few times. I got really good, applied for other positions, and inferior candidates were promoted or hired (sometimes with laughably disastrous results). Some employers reward their people for excellence and accept that it will create a temporary skill vacuum in your old position. Other employers live in fear of losing your contribution by promoting you out of critical business functions so they keep you where they know you excel and can't imagine not having you in that position. You worked for someone in the latter camp.

Unfortunately for them, asking you to train this fresh new talent was a classic example of an employer overplaying their hand. They fucked up. Seriously, what the hell were they thinking? If you wanted to retain your dignity they left you with two options: demand an immediate and substantial raise or walk. Considering your employer's lack of integrity, quitting was the best option.

[–]yummyluckycharms 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Very true.

Most people's ideas of how company's work in regards to promotion date back to the 50's, but company's employ just in time labour and are very lean. They dont have surplus capacity anymore, and even more to the point, if they promote someone who is very good at their job, they would have even LESS capacity.

The majority of people I know who got promoted did so by leaving the company - almost 95%

[–]bustanutmeow 37 points38 points  (8 children)

What did they say in regards to you quitting?

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this would interest me as well.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They didn't say to much. It was more of a "if that's how you feel". To be honest, I didn't really give a shit on how they felt. I made my mind up.

[–]Redpillc0re 6 points7 points  (4 children)

It doesn't really matter, nobody is irreplaceable in a corporation. The best you can do is to negotiate the best terms in the market, like the OP did.

[–]Robalypse 11 points12 points  (2 children)

They would have you think that, but finding a decent replacement can take 6 months or more. I have learned this from experience. There aren't actually an overabundance of great potential employees just sitting around waiting for someone to hire them, contrary to popular belief.

[–]Redpillc0re 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But they did in the end. What I 'm saying is that you should not consider yourself irreplaceable, and instead you should always look for the best terms for yourself which most of the time will be elsewhere. In fact my advice is to switch employment every 4-7 years

[–]1aguy01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All relationships are replaceable but people still get hurt when they end.

[–]iamnotfromtexas90 5 points6 points  (0 children)

nobody is irreplaceable in a corporation

Not in small/medium sized companies. Very often, people fill crucial positions that are not easy to replace. OP didn't explain how big his company was, but odds are they just shot themselves in the foot by paying a woman more to do less work and lose two men who were pulling more than their weight.

[–]yummyluckycharms 29 points30 points  (0 children)

This is how you do it.

Recognize that if you were truly valued - they would've promoted you over the other person because you were best qualified.

Recognize that they didnt offer any sort of compensation, but told him to be a good little boy and to go back to his corner

Recognize that having the power to walk away and to actually use it is the one true power that not even the matriarchy take away from you

[–]aa223 23 points24 points  (10 children)

Gotta love those minority quotas even though women make up the majority in this world. Whatever happened to hiring the best person for the job? It disturbs me to know that we are giving up making actual progress in our society for diversity in the workplace. You were clearly the better person for the job and obviously your boss had quotas to fill so it can't be helped but your former boss fucked himself two ways.

  • He lost one of his most valuable employees
  • He hired someone with no experience to take a position that is yours

Your former boss will lose money for both those mistakes and the competing company you work for will only gain. I am just angry that we need to somehow give up bettering society by placing the best people for the job for being progressive which has been doing the opposite of progress.

[–]scummcdirt 5 points5 points [recovered]

Its not fair to the minority hires.

She now has to work much harder, to fill in that position, without training, or key people.

Now, had they promoted him, and hired her to take his place, the situation would have been much different.

but what usually happens, is that woman will burn out. She not only is she ill prepared for the job(no training, experience, missing co workers), but now more pressure is placed on her.

but hey, the price of a position being vacant is usually three time the price for it to be filled, and technically two positions are vacant.

[–]Entershikari 267 points267 points [recovered]

You're a man.

Our ability to walk away is our strenght.

[–]pinakion 65 points65 points [recovered]

Yes ! He handled it perfectly. Bravo !

They wanted to cater to nonsensical leftist egalitarianism and they lost a valuable employee to the competition as a result.

[–]TheRealMouseRat 33 points34 points  (0 children)

and now they can't train the quotee.

[–]RRIAFC 70 points71 points  (16 children)

Egalitarianism would have given the job to the person who was best qualified, i.e. OP. This is Marxism.

[–]Brian_Official 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Yeah it really sucks that businesses are regulated and encouraged to hire by racial/gender lottery than by something ridiculous like applicable skills and experience.

[–]pinakion 19 points19 points [recovered]

Like feminism, you can't go by the dictionary definition of egalitarianism. Egalitarians do favor affirmative action and/or quotas in order to achieve the 'equal world' they dream of.

What you're describing is meritocracy, rather than egalitarianism.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 50 points51 points  (9 children)

You don't have to stand and take the bullshit that comes your way.

This. Congrats to you for telling them to get stuffed. Bosses are always surprised by this. Oh, and that situation was never going to improve.

They told me ... that I should just keep doing what I have been doing and it will all work out for me.

Right, just keep eating the same crap sandwich and eventually you won't notice the shit taste anymore.

Anyway, glad it did work out. Incidentally, when you interviewed for the new gig, how did you cover the departure from the old gig?

[–]Scroph 5 points6 points  (5 children)

They told me ... that I should just keep doing what I have been doing and it will all work out for me.

This reminds me of a saying that comes up every once in a while, especially in fitness-related forums : if you keep doing what you're always doing, you will keep getting the same results you're always getting. I don't know who said it and I might have paraphrased it, but that's the gist of it. I always thought it made sense from a "lifting" standpoint, but I was surprised to see it was applicable to OP's situation as well.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There might be some applicability to things that are effort-based, but in this case, an artificial rationale (promote noob women over experienced men) was injected into the situation.

[–]WardlyHasted 14 points14 points [recovered]

They told me that it was because a quota for minorities had to be filled

Funny, last time I checked women make up more than 50% of the workforce. How is it still not considered fucking ridiculous for women to be considered a minority?

By pandering to them and hiring/promoting them simply because they're women, you're only proving that they are less competent than men and undeserving of those hires/promotions in the first place.

[–]1aguy01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea but if they used any logic at all this sub wouldn't exist.

[–]pilledwillingly 130 points131 points  (43 children)

My little sister is an apprentice electrician, based on my advice for her to "get a man's job if she wants to make good cash and be independent. "

Now that she has the job I say: "Don't take any offer for advancement unless you've earned it. " As the only female in 50+ apprentices, the company is bending over backwards for her, and she's refusing to take priority placement, and refuses to skip the more physical rotations. This is how you be a female in a male world without pissing everyone off. I give it 4 years before she's offered a permanent desk job/promotion, one that she will also refuse if she doesn't merit it.

[–]gprime312 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You're a great big brother and your little sis sounds awesome. I wish more women(and people in general) had your sister's self-respect.

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (32 children)

Yes the system is rigged in the favor of women. Not taking advantage of that as a woman is not smart at all.

[–]pilledwillingly 62 points63 points  (2 children)

If your goal is to work in the field for 4 years and then be the incompetent manager who is never taken seriously for the next 30, then yeah.

[–]mathis5332 101 points102 points  (0 children)

Wrong. It can do incredible things for her self-esteem. It means she can trust her judgment better than others. She has a standard for fairness and demands to be treated equally, for better or for worse. That's the only way to make your place in the world of work without everybody roling their eyes when they see you enter the room.

[–]janet_snakewhole 15 points15 points [recovered]

Congratulations on the new job. I was told the same thing when I asked why I wasn't promoted and what I need to do to get a promotion - 'Just keep doing what you are doing.' Well, it clearly isn't working, is it?

[–]red_gerb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was never given clear goals to receive promotion. Then when I finally got a promotion, I was written up for not performing to expectations. Bottom line: It's all BS, and the Boss just wants a good ass kissing. Nobody ever explained it too me. I will never bend the knee. Corporate Bastarditos.

Watch what they do, not what they say.

[–]nuesuh 25 points26 points  (21 children)

quota for minorities had to be filled

I didn't knew being a woman made you a minority.

[–]frys180 37 points38 points  (18 children)

White women are considered minorities. They benefit the most from affirmative action.

[–]The_BeardedGentleman 51 points52 points  (11 children)

Its a pretty neat magic trick to be considered a minority when you are the biggest group of people in the country.

[–]through_a_ways 11 points12 points  (0 children)

when you are the biggest group of people in the country.

and also the most privileged, objectively speaking.

[–]1cover20 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Black women say white women benefit the most from a.a. I think that's only true in total: the most a.a. hires of any subgroup are white women. But per capita, I am sure it's black women.

Black women are double minorities. And as a result, very few black men get preferential treatment. Why hire a black man if you can hire a black woman and get double credit? So black men probably get little benefit from a.a. and have a high unemployment rate.

I have no axe to grind here. I am a white man. I'll never get quota treatment whichever of these other groups wins their little scrap for a.a. preference.

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[–]wanderer779 4 points5 points  (1 child)

also from what I can tell most black dudes just said fuck the whole system and went rogue. I can't say I blame them.

[–]RPthrowaway123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seriously, women make up 50% of the population. How the fuck are they a minority!

[–]Voshe 24 points25 points  (0 children)

This shit angers me to no end. You did the right thing.

[–]revofire 23 points24 points  (16 children)

Quotas are garbage. Any company that complies with one is weak as hell. Always walk away and leave them hanging if they try to pull a fast one in the name of equality.

[–]Redpillc0re 17 points18 points  (9 children)

they are not weak, they are prudent. lawsuits exist. if, however , everyone acts rationally, like the OP did, companies that implement them fail. natural business selection

[–]rpscrote 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Quotas are IN NO WAY AT ALL mandated by the law. Not even close. If you do this, it's because you're weak and too lazy to figure out how to do it right, legally.

[–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OK when they weigh the costs and benefits, they have the lawyers telling them to hire the woman, but at least they should have the supervisor telling them he needs the man and is afraid he'll quit if he's mistreated.

[–]revofire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol natural business selection. That is true.

[–]Faps2Down_Votes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not if it's a requirement. If you own a construction company, and you are working on a job where there is government money involved, at least in my state, you need to meet these quotas or face giant fines. Then again, any business that needs to suck off the government teet is probably weak as hell. At least low morals.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Good on you. If companies want good people to stay they need to reward them

[–]bigdickbanditss 11 points12 points  (1 child)

can't applaud this enough

the more people taking less shit the easier they make it on everyone, your bosses will think twice about giving it raw dog to outstanding employes from then on

don't take shit from anyone

[–]MightyTaint 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the more people taking less shit the easier they make it on everyone

So much this. I'm in a field where a large percentage of the workers are beta. It's like I have to train the higher ups not to try to push me around all the time. They're always so shocked. They're basically like "Be our bitch", and I'm like "No, go fuck yourself, and good luck finding somebody else who can do the job". Their shock and actual lack of leverage is always humorous.

[–]Stopher 11 points12 points  (10 children)

What seems most retarded to me is that a job that's so similar to your current one in the current company, similar enough that you're going to train the new person, pays almost twice as much.

[–]CuddleMyNeckbeard 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Now what a great example of equality...

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I got the job I was looking for at a competing company with in a week.

Congrats brother.

If they wanted to fulfill some minority quota, they could have promoted you and hired the woman for your old job. Maybe she was somebody's wife. Either way, it's bullshit. You deserved better, and you got it.

[–]grewapair 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They may have known they were under paying him and no one would take his old job at his low salary, so they were trying not to rock his boat.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Abundance mentality is the key to success in every area of life. Be it women, jobs, house-buying, the person who is most willing to walk has the most power.

Good on you for having a spine.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Good on you. I am experiencing a similar situation right now. Work at a law firm as an attorney; busted my ass and crushed for three years. Brought the firm a lot of money. Was up for my raise in February and asked for a justifiable raise. Raise was given, but it was pathetic and actually lower in percentage than my last two raises. Then I learned that my group was advertising a position at an amount that would have been equal to the raise I requested. So what did I do? Applied like fuck to another job. Got it. 45% pay bump. Tomorrow is my last day at my old firm.

[–]Philhelm 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'd feel sorry for you, but I'm a paralegal.

I work at a small immigration law office with one attorney who drives an Astin Martin. I've been here two years without a single raise, and all of the staff were subjected to a temporary 10% pay cut for a few months, literally the same week the attorney purchased a new Jeep (a bona fide Jeep; not like a Jeep Cherokee or something like that).

Every day I wake up, a huge, metaphorical, meaty cock slaps me in the face several times. I scaled back my work effort 20% and take the LSAT in June. Fuck it.

[–]1oldredder 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You did right by yourself. This is truly holding frame and also showing that the root of the red pill is economic and is self-respect and building yourself.

If you can train a person to do a job you can do that job and it's wrong for you to be both deprived and train the other person.

[–]1DRMMR76 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I had a very similar thing happen to me, except with race not gender. Worked for a security company a long time ago that had a black manager and 4 supervisors, all black. I watched them go through probably 8 more supervisors while I was with the company, all of the new ones having less experience, education, training, or seniority than me. When I saw that after the 7 or 8 new supervisors that they only promoted other black guys and that not a single white person was in any kind of management position whatsoever, I quit on the spot. And I waited until the day I was supposed to train one of the new supervisors on his job, since between supervisors, I had to do all of their actual duties but without the raise or promotion.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

lol imagine the reverse. see: 1890s America. now it's the reverse, but it's okay because our ancestors 150 years ago had it slightly better!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I'm getting fucked over right now thanks to affirmative action. First, can someone explain to me how 51% of the population is a minority?

[–]1aguy01 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They're only 51% because 99% of workplace deaths are men.

[–]busyalterego 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Perfect analogy for TRP. It's the same thing we always say with women:

Women: None of them are loyal, so forget about commitment. Just spin plates and look out for #1. Abundance mentality and frame. Keep lifting and adding value.

Employers: None of them are loyal, so forget about commitment. Just keep your resume updated and ditch the company when it suits you. Abundance mentality and frame. Keep improving your skills and list of accomplishments.

[–]fluxburn 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I say the only time you do a good job is to get hired. Then just suck at your job. You're more likely to be promoted then busting your ass. Because if you bust your ass, the you are the best at the job. If you suck at your job, you must be looking do something else.

I worked my ass off at a job and never got employee of the month from these fucks. Never again will I work hard.

[–]TeaParPat 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Buddy of mine has a black wife. To prove a point about quotas, she submitted a resume that included a photograph for an HR position that required 5 years of experience (she has 0). Sure enough, she got the interview and was offered the job 10 minutes through the interview. When she left the interview room, she talked to one of the other candidates outside, this one a white man about 40 years old and found out that he was a former HR department head at GEICO and had been for 15 years.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I don't see why my business should have to suffer so that I meet minority quotas. I would not care if the individual was green and four feet tall if he was the best candidate.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Good for you for telling them to fuck off. I did the same recently and the company was begging me not to leave. After I left, 20% of the remaining staff for my position also left within 2 months.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

As someone from post-soviet country, I have strong allergy on preferential treatment. My relatives have very bad memories on that. Anyway just being good at your job is not enough.

There is sort of twisted way to take advantage of it. It will probably burn bridges, but one could get proper dismissal with 3 months salary, instead of just quitting. Leaving your job also compromises unemployment support and is hell with alimony.

What I say applies to UK law.

  • they openly admitted discrimination based on sex. There are quotas to be filled, but employer must do it without discriminating other sex/races.

  • you can legally change your race by converting to different religion (Jew or Sikth).

  • some countries in EU allow you to declare any origin you want. You grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand father was from Africa?

  • coming out of closet was never easier.

[–]fortifiedoranges 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is why you need to take advantage of a broken society. I'm a black lesbian stuck In a white man's body. If you don't hire me you're a racist, sexist bigot. Fuck it, if they (SJWs) want to play like that I will play like that.

[–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It was too late. The other person was already hired. They gave him no warning that would have allowed him to use those strategies.

[–]Djentlord 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Affirmative action is quite fucked up. It should be merit based. All affirmative action is is the only form of discrimination that pleases liberals.

[–]Hitleronormative 6 points6 points [recovered]

I hope you have an acidic response ready for when they come running trying to get you to work for them again.

[–]1cover20 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Not needed. Just demand to be HER boss or at least make a lot of money. Otherwise turn them down.

We know how to turn down women. It's no different. Hold frame.

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and then after a short period of time to gain some experience, flip the new promoted position to one at a competitor for even more money and a better work environment

[–]wanderer779 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I think this is good advice. Forget the satisfaction and take the money. This boss didn't do this out of spite, he is just playing the game for himself and so should you.

I like that scene in "thank you for smoking" where his boss takes credit for his idea and he just takes it in stride without missing a beat. The guy is so smooth, he doesn't spend a second whining about how the game is played, he just keeps hustling.

I'm trying to learn to be more like this. I'm naturally very concerned with morals, and I am outraged by hypocrisy and have a pretty strong vindictive streak. But I have to admit it does me absolutely no good.

[–]juliusstreicher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You inspire us all. I hope your ex-bosses have learned a lesson. Thank you.

[–]WhiteBlackNight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is awesome and truly inspirational. This happens to be my very second post on TRP. I have been lurking for a long time without commenting but absolutely felt compelled to commend this brave man.

I don't know you, but if I could afford it, I would honestly spot you till you find another job and get back on your feet.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good job on walking out, I never understood the quota equal opportunity bullshit. If you're not qualified for the job, you're not qualified, it doesn't matter what color or gender you are.

I deal with it a lot on the reservation I work on, but it actually makes sense up here.. If you're a native american and it's on your land and you're equally qualified, you do deserve the job... But when it comes down to hiring a qualified person, and you have to choose the female who's 50% dumber than the male who applied it really reflects poorly on your business.

[–]RPthrowaway123 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Good for you. Don't take shit from anyone. you're greatest strength in any negotiation is your ability to walk away.

Glad to hear it worked out for you with another company!

[–]ericatx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are a f**king hero! Man, if more dudes did this when these "quotas" are shoved in our faces companies would think twice before passing up the right person for the promotion. What you did takes BALLS! Awesome!

[–]phism 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They probably didn't really have a quota to fill and just told you what you wanted to hear so you wouldn't take it personally.

[–]IvanMedved 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You should have asked for increase wage to the one of that position, then quit.

[–]GainzdalfTheWhey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd like to buy you a beer for being that awesome, i hope they get fucked by not having anyone with your qualities to perform the job.

[–]Mitchs_Frog_Smacky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Feels great doesn't it? I had to train another guy all of my duties (even though he wasn't an engineer) when the economy took a dump and I was the "newest" employee there (14 months) so I was out the door. He felt bad about it and I just kept telling him the whole time "no worries, I'm teaching you everything completely incorrectly." in which he laughed... But was I joking...?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'll never forget my first desk job. I got trained by a guy who pretty much as soon as he finished training me quit. Due to the monthly nature of the products training took several months. When he quit I asked my boss if I would now get an assistant. He said he was already interviewing. Had two people short listed, a man and a woman.

The man; previous job in the same role, years of experience. Knew how to handle courier companies we used, had Industry connections.

The woman; fresh off the boat from Indonesia, strong accent, never worked in the industry before.

My managers main concern "if I hire the women, i'll have more girls on my team". You can guess who I was training after that. I quit for unrelated reasons after the training was done.

[–]Enolator 1 point2 points  (2 children)

This is the strong attitude many have had issues with in their careers. May I ask how you handled the "Why did you leave your previous job?" question with the new place?

[–]TheRealMouseRat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would have told them that I wanted the same wage as the other position would have given, or I'd quit. However, I liked your solution better. (to just quit)

[–]RRIAFC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Was it a quota for that specific position? Why couldn't they promote you and hire her and have you train her to do your old job?

[–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very well done. Many props.

[–]ChairBorneMGTOW 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please tell me that you left before she was properly trained.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think the company knows what the word "minority" means.

[–]Shigglyboo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good for you man! Doesn't matter who they hired, bottom line is whomever is most qualified should get the job. I have no problem with women or minorities in the workplace, I like a good mix of people, but it's all about what you bring to the table. If your employer doesn't value you it's a toxic environment. Always nice to hear things are going well for someone, congrats on the new position!

[–]TheLordOfShit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

File a sexual discrimination lawsuit.

[–]iamnotfromtexas90 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"It was because a quota for minorities had to be filled" This is what burns shitty companies down. Good for you! FUCK THEM! We DON'T have to take this Marxist horse shit sitting down. Do whatever you can to steal business from them.

[–]newmeforever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You did the right thing.

Fuck that, wouldn't doubt they give you a call soon (or maybe not)

Keep moving on up.

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