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Red Pill TheoryEntrepreneurship (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by alreadyredschool

When you want to open a business and head over to the subs entrepreneur, startups or smallbusiness you will find tons of feel good bullshit that tells you to just start a business, opportunities are everywhere and motivation is everything, just be yourself and you will be successful. Expect to fail, but stand up again and start again!

I even was at an expensive speech from a business consulting guru. She just talked about the people she interviewed for her book and how they became successful after failing or overcoming initial problems. Not once did she mention the traits an entrepreneur must have. The skills and knowledge will be crucial for your success.

Studying entrepreneurship is stupid. You won't get a job with a degree in entrepreneurship, you will just waste time and money. With a library card you can learn everything you would learn in that time for free. What you should do is: Earn money, get to know people, befriend successful people, have an idea and a vision, write a business plan for you and your stakeholders (financial support). Get to know the market, suppliers, buyers and competition. Knowledge about marketing is very important. If you want to start a business, start reading. Become the ideal entrepreneur, step by step. Start by becoming and intrepreneur.

Here is the harsh truth: You will work more than anybody else, your social life is going to suffer, you won't earn anything for 2-12 months. The risk of failure is always there, but the possible reward is great. Most businesses fail because the owner has no idea about controlling and accounting!

Do you really want to be an entrepreneur?

https://archive.is/21wbj Dear Aspiring Entrepreneur
https://archive.is/AoGxv [A Rant] No one in their right mind would want to be an entrepreneur.
We are red pill men, we can doubt ourselves without becoming insecure and wanting to stop. Doubt yourself to become better. Destroy crippling fear and learn from weaknesses. Make a SWOT analysis, improve strengths, weaken weaknesses, seize opportunities, lower threats.
If you want to start buy some books, read the articles and find out which books are tackled in an entrepreneur course.
Here this stuff is free, except for like 10 books (some of them are available as free audio books), what can you loose? The sidebars of the said subs are great (also: r/EntrepreneurRideAlong/), gilded submissions are a gold mine.

Organisation:

https://archive.is/i2epN
http://www.assistant.to/
https://archive.is/UCG9z
http://www.inc.com/ss/13-productivity-hacks-help-you-get-more-done https://medium.com/business-startup-development-and-more/702ecdd3223d
https://archive.is/2LYvi
http://www.wework.com/magazine/inspiration/productivity-hacks-change-business/
https://trello.com/
https://getpocket.com/
http://www.success.com/article/1-on-1-david-allens-two-minute-rule

Marketing:

http://blog.marketmesuite.com/getting-started-series-create-a-facebook-business-page-youve-always-wanted/
http://www.natedesmond.com/becoming-twitter-a-beginners-guide-to-user-acquisition/
http://swedishstartupspace.com/2014/03/27/marwans-list-5-pr-stunts-will-thank-later/
https://archive.is/AyAgn
https://archive.is/RxTvP
http://blog.clarity.fm/the-hackers-guide-to-getting-press/
https://archive.is/nrbZl
https://archive.is/EqveN
http://blog.wamenterprisesllc.com/5-must-read-marketing-articles-for-every-small-business

Accounting:

https://whizkins.com/store/14-accounting-applications-prices
http://www.forbes.com/sites/acton/2012/09/15/the-only-three-reasons-entrepreneurs-need-accounting-and-finance/
http://www.entrepreneur.com/video/226052

Books:

https://archive.is/DXwTI
https://archive.is/jxvxP
http://vusal.me/handbook/
http://leoexplor.es/great-books/2012/09/19/the-millionaire-fastlane/
http://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/how-to-start-a-small-business-in-a-few-hours.html

Start

http://www.sba.gov/content/follow-these-steps-starting-business
https://netguru.co/blog/posts/spare-time-startup-how-to-launch-a-startup-while-still-working-full-time
http://onstartups.com/
http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/200730
https://archive.is/NbeJe

Tricks

https://archive.is/ssuiZ
https://archive.is/P8YuA
http://www.paulgraham.com/bronze.html
https://archive.is/MZdZp
https://archive.is/24l1N
https://archive.is/VsZSA
http://listenloop.com/build-products-customers-use/
https://netguru.co/blog/posts/how-replacing-goals-with-systems-can-make-you-better-at-almost-anything
https://archive.is/A2YwH
https://archive.is/FdCzt
http://de.slideshare.net/rejoiner/25-entrepreneurs-tell-what-they-wished-theyd-known-before-founding-their-first-startup
http://blog.cultureamp.com/8-culture-hacks-for-your-startup
Networking = befriending successful people, not getting to know them, but getting them to like you.
http://www.businessballs.com/business-networking.htm
http://alumni.berkeley.edu/services/career-services/resources/articles/networking/tips-how-network-successfully
Business cards, imagine being at a expo and you get 50+ business cards, you won't remember all, you won't look at all, and some of them will look so great that you try to remember. Always invest in good cards!
http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/71900
http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/225962
http://www.businessinsider.com/entrepreneurs-best-productivity-hacks-2014-3?op=1
http://www.businessinsider.com/successful-people-productivity-hacks-2014-1

The mistakes of others make good teachers:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danschawbel/2012/05/31/how-to-start-a-business-with-only-100-in-the-bank/
http://www.entrepreneur.com/landing/224842
https://archive.is/aObYD
http://www.techendo.co/posts/5-mistakes-every-entrepreneur-makes
https://netguru.co/blog/posts/mistakes-were-made-why-startups-fail-and-how-to-avoid-making-the-same-mistakes
https://medium.com/failure-inc/faa1751563ca
https://archive.is/GHur9
https://archive.is/2Gkx9

Watch these:

http://www.ted.com/talks/rory_sutherland_life_lessons_from_an_ad_man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0HIF3SfI4
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_ariely_asks_are_we_in_control_of_our_own_decisions
http://www.ted.com/talks/seth_godin_on_sliced_bread
http://www.ted.com/talks/malcolm_gladwell_on_spaghetti_sauce
http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_harford
http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_johnson_where_good_ideas_come_from
http://www.ted.com/talks/cameron_herold_let_s_raise_kids_to_be_entrepreneurs
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_cobley_what_physics_taught_me_about_marketing
http://www.ted.com/talks/jason_fried_why_work_doesn_t_happen_at_work
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation
http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_st_john_s_8_secrets_of_success
http://www.ted.com/talks/rachel_botsman_the_currency_of_the_new_economy_is_trust
http://www.ted.com/talks/ron_eglash_on_african_fractals
http://www.ted.com/talks/andrew_mcafee_what_will_future_jobs_look_like
http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_vaynerchuk_do_what_you_love_no_excuses
http://www.ted.com/talks/nigel_marsh_how_to_make_work_life_balance_work
http://www.ted.com/talks/elizabeth_gilbert_on_genius
http://www.ted.com/talks/shawn_achor_the_happy_secret_to_better_work
http://www.ted.com/talks/jamie_heywood_the_big_idea_my_brother_inspired
http://www.ted.com/talks/jessica_jackley_poverty_money_and_love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDqmxp8gAUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CAQg3iTNmo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-PeDWkM_9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN-N68FXedU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRR_jEDAfoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjYceP2Fup4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmCtWskzmAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFPmGHY6CcQ
https://www.youtube.com/user/byucet/playlists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYneLGRTgy8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nMD6sjAe8I

Management

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_statement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_identity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_management
Especially the Pareto analysis and The Eisenhower Method
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultradian_rhythm
This goes hand in hand with time management, learn to listen to your inner clock, work in your most productive minutes on the most important tasks (20/80 Principe). It will reduce stress and burn out, you will be more productive and less exhausted.
http://lateralaction.com/articles/productivity-ultradian-rhythms/
http://blog.idonethis.com/post/33892676864/science-of-better-energy-management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_ethics
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/13/uk-etiquette-commandments-idUSLNE81C02P20120213
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_quality_management

Quality certificates are a pain in the ass and no customer really looks at them. What you really want is to focus on quality rather than make legal fights about certificates. Happy customers bring their friends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing_buzz

The cheapest form of marketing and one of the most effective in bringing new customers to your business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_management


[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (12 children)

Good stuff, thanks. The thing about being an entrepreneur, is you have to work 16 hour plus days to make ends meet, at least for the first year (more if you're not successful). That's why I always recommend getting a 9-5 so you can pay your bills, and put another 40-60 hours each week into business endeavours. You can get a lot more done when you're not stressed about finding food, paying rent, and getting to market as fast as possible.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 24 points25 points  (8 children)

Having been doing that since October, it does get tiring though, and you sacrifice your social life.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Indeed, it is very tiring. The great thing is, you can take breaks when you need to. If you didn't have the full time job, you'd still be tired, but you couldn't stop or else you'd just be using up savings without making progress. In your situation, you still fall behind if you take a break but the delay isn't going to cause your business to fail. In fact, you might even achieve more if you rejuvenate a little and come back with a fresh mind. Hope your business works out well!

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I'm on that path also but it's a welcome sacrifice because ultimately I realized that my "friends" were holding me back. They just want to hang out and relax their 20's away and they may not say it directly but they definitely don't want someone they know becoming highly successful because then it'll make them feel bad.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm just shy of 30, and from what I've found, you can't really push people to become more ambitious.

Some people are just naturally that way/raised that way, some people grow into it (or grow into knowing how to become ambitious), and some people just never find it. I have a buddy from high school, smart guy. Took AP classes in high school, including calculus and chemistry. He was vaguely interested in robotics engineering.

Instead, he gave up, gained a lot of weight, and now he works at a gas station. No real interest in self improvement.

You can't force someone to want to improve. It has to be something they want.

[–]gggreorge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You have to make the right thing, you don't have to work 16 hour days.

[–]ghaenrynquau 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm afraid I won't find enough motivation to do my own business, if I've got a steady enough income already. You just have to push yourself and that means getting rid of that 9 to 5 job. Hunger and taxes are the best motivators. I will be taking the risk probably and become fully self-employed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was my fear as well, but unfortunately I quit after some lucky successes, and quickly hit a dry spell. Be sure that you do have enough money to get by for 6-12 months before going all out, otherwise you might end up in a bad place like I was.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (1 child)

All the books and TED talks in the world will not help you overcome the requirements of successful business: capital, network, viable product, sales, law, accounting. You better have some domain expertise in something or access to people who do. Just thinking about all this is exhausting.

[–]Shade_Raven 77 points78 points  (7 children)

I got tired of all the posts that said something like " Just make your own business and make six figures , its easy"

[–]Squeezymypenisy 24 points25 points  (1 child)

I wonder how many had trust funds.

[–]account_rp 9 points10 points  (0 children)

And grew up knowing plenty of other rich people, having an easy supply of potential partners, customers and mentors who also know who to work with and who to avoid. Without anything like that it's hard to find customers and it's easy to become a target for those who are out to rip you off.

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    [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 121 points122 points  (4 children)

    If you need more resources than OP has provided, you were never going to be an entrepreneur.

    [–]account_rp 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    I'm sure that plenty of potentially good entrepreneurs have gaps in their knowledge that aren't covered in the resources that OP provided.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    An awful lot of real entrepreneurs, not the people who take classes to become one but never actually do it, did so with shockingly low levels of education. Lord Sugar is the only example I need - from selling car aerials on the streets of London aged 16 to a Lordship and billions in fortune. Some people could be tossed out of a moving taxi on the other side of the planet, and six months later they'll be running some kind of show there, making profit and looking to expand, no prior research or local knowledge.

    What I'm saying is that if you've sat yourself down, read all of those resources and you say "I need more theory to read before making a move" then you were never going to be an entrepeneur.

    [–]account_rp -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Again, I'm sure that plenty of people have gaps in what they know that will result in failure and are not within the sources provided by OP. It's an excellent collection of resources but there's no way that it covers everything that just needs to be known ahead of time.

    Just to be clear I don't expect anyone to provide everything that someone would need for success. I just think that there are inevitable gaps in what is covered, things that others take for granted and are not specifically business knowledge or skills like how to tell if someone is lying to you or trying to manipulate you into doing something against your own interests. Give these resources to someone who is bad at those and they're going to be a target.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    that's not the entrepreneurial spirit!! never give up!

    [–]1InscrutablePUA 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    This is a fantastic compilation of entrepreneurship resources.

    HOWEVER

    You absolutely do not need to read all of this before getting into the game. In fact if you do, you will probably be paralyzed by information overload.

    You need to read just enough to get started, then LEARN ALONG THE WAY. The best entrepreneurs take decisive action and correct later, rather than spend eons mired in analyzing data.

    [–]PlusGoody 26 points27 points  (6 children)

    The iron laws of entrepreneurship are:

    • faster, better or cheaper: profit is driven by improvement, not innovation

    • almost all great fortunes rely upon the creation of economies of scale

    [–]Brian_Official 2 points3 points  (5 children)

    This needs to be top. I launched a first product back in April and with minimal marketing effort at the time managed to pull over 3,000 purchases in a few short weeks. All I did was take an existing concept of a software plug-in and make the GUI super super simple to use.

    [–]HoustonFaceGo 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Can you elaborate on that? Did you code the software yourself? How long did it take you?

    [–]Brian_Official 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Yeah coded myself. Then had a guy who was Pro as hell review and help me optimize the code. Paid another guy like $250 for a very nice gui design. Maintenance costs for the whole business is about $130/mo. Took me about 4 months to write the code

    [–]HoustonFaceGo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Was that 4 months full time? Sounds like a lot of code.

    I know how to code and I've been trying to figure out how I can use it to my advantage to make some money for myself (outside of my job), any advice?

    [–]Brian_Official 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    It was part time work for me. And part of the reason it took so long was my learn by doing approach to learning to program at the time.

    I'm not great at advice, but I'd say think about something that fits the following criteria:

    1. Addresses a problem/issue with even the slightest bit of superiority to competing products.

    2. Is something you can reasonably do yourself or assemble a team to do (try to avoid scope creep)

    3. Can be marketed.

    [–]ANewJourney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    didja hire a lawyer for any legal stuff? how about distribution? Was the product put on an established platform like Google play, chrome web store or did you start your own website?

    thanks for your time and post.

    edit: added a few words.

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    [–]alreadyredschool[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    The blue-pill advice is to just follow your heart. Do what you love and success will follow! Bullshit. Figure out what the market wants right now. Find something you love enough such that it will be sustainable.

    Imagine a Venn diagram: Stuff that you like, stuff that leads to success. Don't do anything that isn't in the success circle.

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      [–]ghaenrynquau 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You probably have to combine these two. And it would be good, if it was something epic also, I think. Ideally I would like to do something big, something that matters to the world, saves lives or something not only increases my wallet.

      [–]sharp7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The book "so good they cant ignore you" is a really RP take on this. First few chaps are about how follow your passion is the worst advice ever.

      [–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I really highly recommend Tropical MBA's podcast (and the website is pretty good): http://www.tropicalmba.com/

      Listen to these on your commute.

      [–]the99percent1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Entrepreneur is feel good bullshit..

      I use the term businessman instead. You are a man who does business for a living.

      [–]dapperbrogrammer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I agree with you, good post. I co-founded a business a couple years ago while in university and it was a lot harder than I thought. It failed within a year. We didn't have enough skills and experience, but the founding experience really pointed out the things I need to improve to succeed. Maybe I'll give it a new go in a couple years.

      If you have experience in the industry you're going for, and you can do sales & marketing, go for it. You have a chance of success. If you're thinking about founding a business in an industry where you have little to no experience, and don't feel very confident in your sales & marketing, you will have a hard time. Consider founding a business later when you're better at those.

      [–]account_rp 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      When you want to open a business and head over to the subs entrepreneur, startups or smallbusiness you will find tons of feel good bullshit that tells you to just start a business, opportunities are everywhere and motivation is everything, just be yourself and you will be successful. Expect to fail, but stand up again and start again!

      With the other business subs being the travesty that they are I think that there needs to be an RP sub focusing on business, and another focusing on work. Those 2 need to get into the ugly realities of both like dealing with people trying to steal your company, nasty office politics, and more. Things that the feel-good BS crowd are afraid to talk about.

      Unfortunately I'm not the right person for the task.

      [–]DexterousRichard 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      I agree to this 100%.

      I have had the opportunity to ask a few very successful people how they got started. Guess what? They refuse to say, generally. They want to keep it mysterious. Why? I believe it's because they got started by milking lucky connections, or by getting help from their parents.

      They don't want to disclose how they really got started because it damages the carefully coiffed reputation of a self-starter, a unique genius entrepreneur.

      I find this sort of attitude fucking deplorable as hell because it's so damn fake and sleazy. That's why I am so sick of what Silicon Valley has become. People there now are more fake than in LA.

      [–]PlanB_pedofile 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I encountered those types. Successful business owner, ask about his startup, "oh lots of hard work" Googled his ass ... Family business started his grandfather passed down and now he's taken it over...

      Pretty much started working shop floor at 2x the salary of everyone else.

      [–]account_rp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yep, for the rest of us we need to learn what really works to successfully start up a business without already knowing enough of the right people to have an excellent network.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      An "Entrepreneurship Guru" is like an Amway rep: he doesn't open up about all the grueling and often unrewarding work. He talks about the lifestyle goal and your motivation.

      This is a great post. Thanks for the resources.

      [–]we_need_more_lumber 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Wow, this is a really helpfull, all-in-one post. Thanks!

      [–]cbnyc0 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      Any RP advice on hiring and building an effective team?

      [–]eserai 16 points17 points  (0 children)

      yes. apply 48 laws, specially laws number 2, 5, 11, 13, 16 in some cases, 19, 24, 27, 32, 33, 34, 43. Make your self be respected by your team, by the use of these laws and by selectively not allowing their requests. when hiring, know what you are looking for, and learn to judge the person. if you are looking for someone with certain skills and experiences, hire that person, not someone who promises the world to you. Finally, reward good behavior and punish bad behavior. That way you can ensure your staff will be motivated and working their best. Hold meetings constantly to discuss matters too, communication is key in a team of any game.

      [–]call_of_the_wild 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Don't hire anyone until they have worked for you. Trial period, consulting or something similar.

      [–]robotmirrornine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Yes. Be slow to hire and fast to fire. Be interviewed by three different people in three different locations, ask hard questions and qualify, and for those that don't work out, don't hesitate to let them go and bring in someone else. Treat people that stay well and be a good employer and a place people want to be at.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      This is very helpful. A lot of times the only thing holding me back from learning new skills is not knowing what way to prepare and what information is necessary. Finding the information is now the easy part. Guides like this are a perfect combination of super available information coupled with the structure of an actual course. Kudos, keeping this post bookmarked.

      [–]trpdownunder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      As someone who just got let go from an inside sales position yesterday, this post is a gold mine. I've saved it an will read through it all. Thanks a lot man, this is the direction the sub needs to be going in. Concrete steps towards improvement.

      [–]king_of_red_alphas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Post of the year candidate.

      This is TRP at its best. Looking at common obstacles and challenges (not just pussy) men face and observing it through a Red lens.

      No feel good bull shit, no whining, just cold observation and analysis - warts and all.

      [–]grewapair 6 points7 points  (4 children)

      I've had my own businesses for the last 19 years. It's rewarding, but women hate it. I have yet to take a single day of vacation in all those 19 years. I work every weekend, at least one day, frequently both days, and have never taken a federal holiday in 19 years. That's not a recipe for a successful relationship.

      But it's been my choice for all these years. It's more rewarding than other alternatives I could easily do. But you do have to make hard choices.

      [–]vox_veritas 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      True. I started a legal practice right after law school. It's grueling work having to handle the back office stuff in addition to, you know, actually practicing law. I am fortunate in that my wife comes from a family of successful small businesspeople, so she understands it mostly. It gives me anxiety to even think about vacations where Internet access is limited. It's a horrible paradox, knowing that I have the luxury to take an extended weekend or vacation when I want to, but at the same time I hate leaving money on the table, since if I'm not working, I'm not making any money, and I hate that.

      [–]RPMav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I went back to a corporate job for that reason. Money wasn't much worse and I could really take time off. Working for a boss is often easier working for clients.

      [–]monobrauw 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      As I understand it, if the business doesn't make money while you are away it is not a business, just self-employment. But I do get what you are saying, making business on your own takes a toll on personal relationships.

      [–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You must be batting a thousand with all them hours you put in though

      [–]DaphneDK 3 points4 points  (26 children)

      I'm doing some IT startups. The tech startup scene is almost completely vacant any female presence. Don't know if it is the tech part, the risk part, or the not particular social work (I mean, not a lot of collegues) aspect.

      [–]yaardi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Women don't like the high risk of starting a business.

      [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Low-status career even if it pays well, and requires an inordinate amount of technical skill and self-improvement. All things that work against women.

      Find any woman in the IT industry, even the talented ones, and you'll see that their skill level is not commensurate with their years of experience. A man with 5 years of experience will be better than a woman with the same years of experience, nearly every time.

      [–]watersign 10 points11 points  (23 children)

      The tech startup scene is almost completely vacant any female presence.

      Anytime actual "work" needs to be done, you won't find many women around.

      [–]NeoreactionSafe 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      The women show up after the company becomes successful and they can cash in by having a pussy.

      Beta is unattractive.

      But being a Beta Bucks gets them interested in marriage and then Divorce Rape. $$$

      Until then they have Chad Thundercock to spin their hamster wheel. (he works cleaning Porta Potty's... a "shitty job")

      [–]ChocolateHead 13 points14 points  (19 children)

      Anytime actual "work" needs to be done, you won't find many women around.

      Jesus fucking Christ, I know we're not supposed to accuse anybody of being misogynistic, but this is horseshit. Plenty of women work their fucking asses off.

      The reason women are underrepresented in tech is because they need an emotional connection to work well. Tech is a type of industry that requires you to be independent and strictly logical for long stretches of time, and women often find that emotionally taxing. Women will work their ass off if they are in a community or a group that will feed their emotional needs, but they have more difficulty doing things alone without emotional support and handholding. That's why all these feminists trying to get more women in STEM say they need "encouragement." That's obviously bullshit because all the nerds who became engineers never had any encouragement.

      [–]dogextraordinaire 14 points15 points  (14 children)

      I've written a 6000 word university paper on the topic of women in tech and I can tell you it isn't because of how 'emotionally taxing' the work is.

      The main reason is because the work was given a nerdy stigma during the 50s that never left. Girls are social creatures and they love status (as we all know), nerds (until the popularization of the Big Bang Theory) were uncool and so women didn't go into the sector.

      There are countless smaller factors affecting the women-STEM gap as well but this one (in my opinion... and also my professor's who gave me a 1st) is the largest.

      [–]Myrpl 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Anecdotal: I tried to get my landlord to introduce his daughter into programming with Python via Codecademy. His response was "she's not into that nerdy stuff".

      But yeah, better blame "muh patriarchy" for the lack of women.

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        [–]dogextraordinaire 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        I imagine it is more work than you've done. Also, because you blatantly don't know, university work at any level (be it 1000 or 20,000 words) requires 3x as much reading to be relevant and informed. I mentioned it because I thus felt it was relevant to illustrate my knowledge of the topic area.

        It doesn't matter if women did shittier jobs than STEM. It matters that the early programmers were all women, because men thought hardware was far more important than software and women would therefore be suited to a 'less thinking' role. Cosmo (or the like) actually published an article stating women 'were ideal software developers' because the process of designing a program was similar to cooking a meal. It required preparation and planning to work.

        However, during the 50s (after it was revealed that software engineers were desperately required and were the highest paid profession in America) it became a very competitive industry and more men entered it. These men were highly intelligent (and as we know there is a very close link between intelligence and nerdiness- or at least perceived nerdiness).

        Nice article you cited. What one guy said which stirred a 'media frenzy'. I based my work off of quantitive analysis of male and female employment numbers across the century, interviews with a few professors at Oxford and through reading every book published on the topic since 1950. I think my evidence outweighs yours; would you like a copy of my work?

        Of course there are innate differences between men and women. But to argue that they are simply unintelligent is incorrect. They have different types of intelligence to us and might be slightly less so, sure, but they aren't simply too stupid to enter the profession. I've seen some retarded male programmers and some excellent female ones (although the former are very much notably a rarity).

        [–]ChocolateHead -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

        I imagine it is more work than you've done.

        I imagine you're still a college student and you think that's actually difficult compared to shit you do in the real world. Good luck.

        [–]dogextraordinaire 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        No it was fucking easy but what I meant was 'I imagine it is more work than you yourself have done regarding the topic'... or are you in fact a STEM or history professor? In all honesty I don't think you are, mainly because you addressed no points I made and just resorted to ad hominem so you wouldn't have to (discreditation through the assertion I'm younger than you and so the points I made were somehow less valid).

        Learn what context is and how to interpret other people's words. You don't need luck if you aren't a fool.

        [–]ChocolateHead -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        That's funny you accuse me of ad hominem attacks when literally everything you have written to me is making assumptions of who I am and what I know. I graduated with a degree in engineer and now work as a patent attorney. But that's beside the point. The point is that there is a lot of science about innate differences between men and women (I never called them "unintelligent", contrary to your mischaracterizations) that repel women from STEM fields.

        [–]watersign -4 points-3 points  (6 children)

        women as a whole do not have the intelligence to do computer programming

        [–]Stormhammer 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        Lol, they were the programmers in the 50s, 60s and 70s

        Historically it boils down to marketing. Home PCs were targeted towards men, barbies towards women. Theres an entire research on this and a podcast aomewhere that summarizes it

        [–]watersign 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        they were data entry operators, not programmers

        [–]Stormhammer -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        Hahaha dude, youre cute and all, but you may want to revisit your history.

        [–]jewishclaw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I think you misspelled revision. The clerical data entry job, like a secretary was a woman's job. Regardless of the infantile attempt to rewrite history, women made essentially no contribution to computer science. If you investigate Lovelace, the Apollo chick, or the broad that "invented the compiler", you find that in each case, they were no more significant than any one of 10,000 nameless male employees at IBM.

        [–]jewishclaw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        No. Women are missing from tech start ups because they objectively do not excel in discrete mathematics and because they are emotionally averse to financial risk. I agree that many women are not lazy, but your explanation is lacking. I've worked for a bunch of startups and they were the most social jobs I've ever had - whiteboard sessions all day every day. I probably spent less than 2 hours a day slangin' code.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I find your post even more misogynistic than what /u/watersign posted. It is patronizing.

        The truth is that being programmer for startup sucks. Low-paid, high risk, lot of bullshit. You work 12 hours a day and share flat with couple of dudes.

        Young women are smarter and have more options than young men.

        [–]ChocolateHead -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        I find your post even more misogynistic than what /u/watersign posted. It is patronizing.

        Think whatever you like, but my post is backed up by science and research. Watersign's isn't.

        [–]king_of_red_alphas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        If you upvoted this post you are probably still in the anger stage.

        [–]Redpillc0re 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I 've only used remote workers, but women work pretty well if it's something they like. For example they love web content authoring and are better at it then the men i 've hired (men tend to be lazy and find shortcuts to avoid doing this boring work, women seem to enjoy writing)

        [–]brothernate76 2 points3 points  (5 children)

        As an entrepreneur who bootstrapped a business with $200 and now makes six figures, I endorse this post.

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          [–]brothernate76 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          When: Two years ago, after returning home to Canada from Russia where I'd been living for five years.

          Where: First in Canada, then expanded to Moscow ( I have contacts there), Seoul (I lived there for three years and developed a decent network) and starting a foray into that lucrative US market.

          How: Took $200, bought a $60 Ontario business license (sole proprietorship), $100 worth of Google AdWords and a couple of new employees out for coffee. Invested all subsequent earnings back into advertising and keeping staff happy. Use Google Apps for Business ($5/month per user) instead of a physical office. Cut out my social life and most entertainment, cut the cable cord and went NetFlix, worked the first year full time at an office while running my business full time. Found every way to cut out expenses (in Canada I switched to Wind Mobile, Tangerine Bank, Dollar Shave Club, etc).

          Who: Me to start, and now have 40 subcontracted associate employees and three salaried employees in three countries and six cities.

          What: A modern language training company that uses tutoring, cut-rate pricing, stylish upbeat classes, tablets, apps and cloud computing to teach languages (mainly English). With cloud computing and subcontracting employees I save a buttload.

          The main reason for my success: being a tightwad with my finances. Keep control of your finances in business and life and you WILL be successful. Let the beta bitches go into debt working 9-5 and handing their pay over to some spoiled vag. Tight finances are KEY to everything!

          [–]ankit0912 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm wondering why no ones mentioned peter thiels book Zero to one

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          ted talks? you're full of shit

          [–]dannydavis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I'll be sure to check this out. Thanks

          [–]GiskardReventelov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Great post, thanks. Don't have time to check out all the links, but I'll definetly save this post.

          [–]krabmonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This is such a great sub thanks a lot for all this info op

          [–]toastledrums 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Good resources/links. Now to find time to go through them ;)

          [–]Blufunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I wanna thank you for the links dude! I'm 19 and took the red pill a few months ago.I started to read a lot. "Zero to one" by Peter Thiel (Co founder of Paypal and Plantir), inspired me heavily to start a business (A intressed I had since I was twelve). But it didn't only inspire me, it also showed me the structures and traits of billionaire companies. It was really insightful compared to that blue pill crap they teach us in The Netherlands.

          I wanna start as soon as possible and move to another country. I gotta take risks and fuck up a little while I'm young. Even if I have to take loans.

          [–]ankit0912 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Thanks OP for including such a goldmine of information. I'm just going to start an online e-commerce venture and this is just perfect timing for me.

          [–]pellibr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Thanks for sharing this great stuff

          [–]gokurakumaru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I don't agree with what you said about "quality certificates" being something customers don't look at. If you're an IT venture trying to sell to any kind of corporate, word of mouth with people who work there will get you a look, but it won't get you a gig. Especially in regulated industries. You have to treat ISO/SOC/SSAE/PCI compliance and pen tests have as the costs of doing business, not just box ticking.

          If you're just selling yourself as a low cost option to retail consumers or small/medium businesses that's a different matter entirely.

          [–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The economy has gotten to the point where the only thing I feel safe doing is special operations work for the experience, then PMC work for a big salary. Ironically enough it's about as dangerous as it gets.

          [–]gangstaman9000the2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I started a street pharmacy

          [–]rockumsockumrobots 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          As someone who has been seeking the self employed lifestyle, I will look hard into this post.

          TRP is eerily similar to Entrepreneurship. It's all about improving yourself, understanding how the world really works and never giving up. As for starting your own business, best advice I can give anyone else is to keep trying new things. That is what I'm doing right now, and saving like mad. I've tried Amazon Associate/Flipping/RA, doing uber right now to earn some cash, webhosting, PPC marketing, you name it I've dabbled in it.

          Start on someone else's ship then try to float your own boat. Nobody ever built their own boat by jumping naked into the ocean and praying for it to work. That's why I can't stand all of the "You go girl!" bullshit pushed out there. Working sucks, starting your own business can suck, trying to make it can be depressing and lonely as fuck, not getting enough sleep, feeling empty. Hell, I may never start my own business or cash producing properties and go hopping country to country like a worry free trust fund kiddie, but I'm sure as fuck gonna try!

          Go take up a hobby, or craft, or passion, like TRP says. Look within that niche and find opportunities. Be an authority, or provide a service, or product etc. If you can't do that try doing what everyone else is doing, i.e. landlording, flipping on amazon, car share, article writing and then try to automate them. If you can't even do THAT, then kiss ass until you work your way high enough in a company to live close to the lifestyle you want.

          Just my 2 cents.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          As a owner of new Start-up - thanks for this resource of a post. I will keep it up in a tab for a long time to draw from the resources.

          [–]Insanity_-_Wolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The game is all there is or ever will be

          [–]jianinglai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Good stuff. Thank you for sharing.

          [–]B0KAM 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          HOLY FUCK , I'VE FOUND YOU

          Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!

          [–]human_bean_ 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          TED is mostly feel good bullshit for rich people. I wouldn't search any wisdom in it. At best it's a springboard for actually getting in depth with some of the interesting ideas and people. You will get nothing useful out of it. It's too short and too shallow.

          I just read a good book: Rich dad, Poor dad. Probably learned a lot more from that book than all the TED talks combined.

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            [–]human_bean_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

            TED is not education, it is entertainment. Yes, some of the people have something valuable to say, but with the short time they have, it can't really be absorbed. Marketing, networking, positive emotions, effective rhetoric, science as religion. All of those are components in the average TED speech. What valuable practical, usable information can you extract from them? I just don't see it. For the time used, the returns to me seem awfully light.

            [–]psuedonym666 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            It's more like dipping your toe into the topic. From the information they give you. you can do your own research and discern opinions from facts, but yeah it is at the root entertainment

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            [–]somethingofvalue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Good comment. I think that's the danger with a blanket recommendation of the entrepreneur route. If you don't have real skills or capital you have nothing to turn into a business.

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            [–]halbo 19 points20 points  (1 child)

            What is your success? I'm just curious.

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            [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 8 points9 points  (1 child)

            TRP is a mindset, my friend. It applies to sexual strategy, but it pervades all parts of life. If the only thing you care about is getting laid, making women your only real goal in life, then there is plenty of PUA stuff out there.

            If TRP doesn't pervade all parts of your life, then you haven't yet fully swallowed the pill.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 12 points13 points  (10 children)

            We're hear to discuss sexual strategy foremost.

            Now it's going to be hard to say this without seeming like I'm flaming. So I'll just state for the record that I'm not.

            People like you give this sub a bad name, because you think everything needs to be about pussy. This is because you still pedestalise pussy. Do you know how far down your list of priorities women should be? They should be after your health and fitness, after your finances, after your social circle of friends and acquaintances, after your career, just about level with your favourite hobby.

            Pussy is a byproduct of being a successful, self-made Alpha, not a pre-requisite. There is more to a man's life than beating up vagina.

            [–]Subtletorious 1 point2 points  (8 children)

            That would be an argument for diversifying sources of information rather than diluting one specialised source.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 0 points1 point  (5 children)

            Sorry, but I can't make sense of that. What?

            [–]Subtletorious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            "That would be an argument for diversifying sources of information rather than diluting one specialised source."

            That comment means each source of information should specialise in its field. For example, fishing magazines should not try to mix interior design. Fishing magazines should focus on fishing and interior design magazines should focus on interior design. Meanwhile, the broadminded reader should then select from each publication information relevent to themself. However, no reader should expect either magazine to diversify for the sake of compensating the readers laziness.

            Hope that clears things up.

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              [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              Then why not go to r/seduction for sexual strategy too? The point of TRP is that all of these things are interconnected. When we talk about one, we are really talking about the other.

              Those other "specialized" subs don't see that.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Oh. In that case, I would argue that it's good to make posts like this. Even if that topic is of little relevance, the real question is whether or not it deserves to take up the space of one post on the sub.

              After that, I fail to see why you would criticise that post being as comprehensive as possible. If you don't want that information, then great - you can scroll past it because it's just one post. But if you do want it, then OP has saved you legwork (which is hard work which isn't going to improve you) so that you can get on with the hard work which will improve you - reading and learning.

              My view is; if you don't need it, scroll on and let those who do need it, enjoy it.

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