Red Pill TheoryNo you can't marry an ugly girl and expect her to be faithful. AWALT. No exceptions, even for uggos. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by el_nikon

I'm not as experienced as many on here, but I do have a couple of stories. I've heard "keep your SMV higher than your wife" used by married guys quite a bit. Its unicorn hamstering.

Let me share a brief anecdote.

I know an ex couple, both in graduate school. When they got married, she started demanding more extravagant living arrangements. He complied by taking a side job in a dangerous field. Superficially, this guy seemed quite alpha and no bullshit. He lifted. A lot. I've seen him rep 300 lbs on bench. He took care of his shit. His research project was stellar. Spoke a few languages, well traveled, cultured, shot guns, fixed cars, and was a nerdy academic on top of it. He never had a problem dating girls.

She, on the other hand was not attractive. Four out of ten by our consensus. We couldnt believe it when they got engaged. Afterwards, he told us, quietly, that attractive girls are a pain in the ass. She was so happy to be with him, he thought she would never blow it all up.

All that nice girl stuff stopped, according to him, right after the wedding.

This relaxed,handle any problem guy turned moody. It turned out, she put him in a dead bedroom right after the marriage.

I'm sure you're thinking, "well if it was me.. i would this and that." Ok. Heres what he did.

He responded by getting in even better shape. He worked out more. We found out his game at home was to mention the deadbedroom once and to wait it out while he would hit the gym. He wasn't going to beg. This motherfucker waited 6 long months and she never put out.

After 6 months he gave her a fuck me or divorce me talk. She then doled out just enough sex to keep him from complaining. They had no kids and no assets yet, so she had nothing to hook in. She also got fatter, too. Five foot 3 and 150-160 lbs by my guess.

Now, for their degrees, they have to travel. She got quite a bit of academic pussy pass and had overseas trips handed to her, and she left a lot. He was miles away the better student and didn't get the hand outs. He struggled and worked his ass off and he finally landed the big white whale of grants.

If you thought she would be happy and reciprocate for all the times he had to stay at home - please consult briffaults law.

She was initially happy and then grew jealous and resentful. He had a hard research assignment, and, over time, her early support grew to envy and this gave him a lot of stress.

What does this girl do to work out her jealousy? She took another one of her short trips abroad and fucked a guy. Bareback. Was this guy some "alpha?" No, how about a balding, skinny, cancer patient.

How did he find out? He got a bacterial STD. He didn't fuck anyone abroad, and when he got home, he got a discharge. She denied and denied, and one of her friends ratted her out.

Now, this is the part where someone says "but.. but.. foreign trips." Ok. He also found out, later, she fucked another guy at home. Lets not kid ourselves. If a woman, even an uggo, wants to bang some dude, its not hard and she doesnt need a trip abroad to make it work. Don't kid yourselves. AWALT, and you can't manufacture a hamster by dating uglier, keeping her from taking trips or what have you. AWALT.

[–]Darkwoodz 274 points275 points  (14 children)

Think about it.....a fat woman will be better with her self control? I think not.

[–]One_friendship_plz 75 points76 points  (4 children)

Lol can't control how often she goes to mcdonalds, no way she could resist the temptation of feeling sexually validated.

Fat women are probably the biggest whores, they look in the mirror and feel bad cause they know they look like shit, and their hamster goes into full gear and the best kind of validation they could get is sucking as many cocks as possible and telling their self that they're fine as they are.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Fat women are probably the biggest whores

I definitely could see this being true. A lot of fat women are desperate to convince themselves that they're BEAUTIFUL AT ANY SIZE, but that doesn't mesh well with reality. Now, they have vaginas so they're still able to fuck a ton of dudes (there's no shortage of desperate betas or even undiscriminating alphas who don't mind hogging it out there), so they do that order to try to fill up their empty souls with the validation they're so desperately seeking.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I witnessed a fat feminist/fat activist on a date the other day. I recognized her because she writes shitty articles for a local newspaper. She is one of those red lipstick wearing whales that wears tight outfits with her gut hanging out because beauty at every size and fuck patriarchy right? She was flirting with another guy in front of her date (a skinny weasel of a man that looked very uncomfortable). She literally acted like she was a princess that deserves all the attention in the world from men and she was sort of getting away with it, because she picks out betas to hang around with. Those type of dudes are the worst, because they reinforce this type of lazy cunt behavior in women. The fact this exists really makes me respect and love fit women that have self control that much more.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The fact this exists really makes me respect and love fit women that have self control that much more.

Couldn't agree more. I have a lot of respect for women - well, people in general, but especially women since they tend to be shittier at things that require discipline - who put the necessary work into maintaining their bodies.

Conversely, being more aware of this seems to have increased my disgust response when I see shambling hamplanets, especially of the "I'M BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE I SAID SO" feminist variety. I've gotten to the point where I have trouble not curling my lips into a straight up grimace when I see one in public and it makes eye contact with me.

I couldn't agree more that the beta guys are the real problem here. If more people reacted like me (intense nonverbal shaming) instead of obseqiousness and acceptance towards fat chicks, I bet the obesity rate would plummet. The majority of women only behave as well as a society's standards for them demand.

[–]2niczar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SJWs are narcissists. That explains everythjng.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Definitely. Hedonism isn't a one act show. If she can't stop shoving burgers in her face you can bet she has the same problem with other objects.

[–]well-ok-then 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My ex was pushing or maybe over 300 lb when she had the emotional (only?) affairs that eventually led to our divorce

[–]SuperSlavisWife 21 points22 points  (0 children)

What do you mean? I totally exerted more self control when I was fat compared to now. Being fat is hard, dedicated work. /s

[–]Vryk0lakas 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Its a blessing. If a chick wants to cheat let her. See ya, there are more girls out there and I can find a better one to waste my time on. If a chick cheats its an oppertunity.

[–]The_Actual_Devil 11 points12 points  (0 children)

An opportunity to get an std..

[–]mygunuface 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From what I have witnessed, I have never meet more narcissistic, masquerading vessels of self indulgence. Their goal is one of a carefree easy life, walking along the paved roads simply because the inconvenience of a rough path is unfathomable.

People need conflict in their lives; it builds character, breeds resilience and implores you to quit your bitching. It's absence is the agglomeration of compliance and self pity. Never enable these people, but I digress.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Brilliant. It never even occurred to me to apply that aspect of lack of self control to their sexuality. Plus, they are filled with self-loathing and have low self-esteem, so they'd be especially vulnerable to any male advances. Yet another reason to avoid them like the plague.

[–]1independentmale 189 points190 points  (14 children)

I'm at the point in my life where I've learned to treat every relationship as temporary. Especially when it comes to women. She isn't mine, I just get to enjoy her at this particular moment in time. She's fucked others before and will fuck others again. Plan for this shit, expect it to happen and you'll be far better off in the long run.

How do you keep a woman faithful? You don't. Either she is or she isn't and most aren't. It doesn't matter if you're Chad Thundercock or Billy Betabucks. Doesn't matter if you're rich, ripped, good looking and so on. You can't keep her faithful. Assume this going into it, keep an eye on her and have an exit plan. When you catch her pulling some shady shit, next.

Always have an exit plan. Be able and willing to walk away at any moment. This is the only way I keep myself sane when it comes to relationships with women. I don't fall in love anymore. I don't believe the fairytale that she will be mine and we'll love each other forever and ever. It's all temporary and I make sure I'm always in a financial and emotional position to get on with my life with very little loss when the relationship inevitably falls apart. I don't depend on my LTR for shit. I don't invest tons of money into her. I don't cohabitate. I don't have shared financial investments or joint accounts. I have my life and she gets to be a part of it until she fucks it up.

Marriage neuters your ability to walk away. It puts all of the power into your wife's hands by rewarding her cash and prizes in the event of divorce. Don't get married.

[–]seenit3 25 points26 points  (0 children)

This comment ought to be its own post. After reading a lot of good stories, accounts, theories and the like here, this was the first time it all came together nicely in my mind. It may be like quantum mechanics, where it's always the third book you read that makes the most sense, with the first being introductory confusion, the second somewhat clarifying. This post may have been my "third book."

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Can't lock pussy down, no matter what. Don't tie your ego to her fidelity. Her straying has nothing to do with you

[–]Seishuu 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I disagree. I think your character certainly has a big influence on her faithfulness (or lack thereof). That doesn't mean you're totally in control or that the greatest alpha can't get cheated on, but there's a correlation.

[–]marty2k 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the point of marriage from a women's perspective. She knows on a subconscious level that your greatest power over her is to leave, by getting married you can't just get up and go without losing half your shit.

[–]polarpack 5 points6 points  (4 children)

This. So much this. The realization for me seemed like it came at once (well after ending a 3 year relationship, and started seeing other women). But for the don't get married part, you can get a pre-nup. I'm sure that would tug on her strings and increase your SMV. If she does not agree, then it is not meant to be.

[–]Regnuvium 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Prenups can also be overturned in court.

[–]exuals 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Seriously? Then what the fuck is the point of one.

[–]rpscrote 6 points7 points  (0 children)

....yeah. Of course they can. Any contract can be held invalid if it fails to meet the standards for contract formation. Prenups have a bunch of additional requirements. You can get them to stand, but only if you get a lawyer and follow his directions exactly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another comment on here said that it's better to say: "I'm never hers, it's just her turn."

[–]yeahthatsanalter 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I agree, but one thing: don't get bitter and emotionally cold. Fall in love, it's a wonderful even if temporary thing. Just don't let yourself go. Don't be stupid. Don't marry.

[–]RedMagnus 4 points4 points [recovered]

That's terrible advice. When someone falls in love, especially men, they make irrational decisions and leave themselves vulnerable. That goes against the very moniker of this site. The only people you should love are your family members and close friends who have proven themselves.

[–]Ek70R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

couldnt agree more, love to a woman just doesnt exist, unless she is your mother of course, love your children and thats it

[–]Jaques_Fury 69 points70 points  (7 children)

This was me pre-TRP. I dated a girl who was a solid 3/10 for six years, knowing that she was well below me for the entire duration.

I thought I had avoided AWALT; I thought had found a special snowflake. Smugly, I thought I was proving to myself (and others) that I was clearly non-superficial and non-shallow. Being pre-TRP, I was still plagued with beta traits that came along with what few alpha traits I had (narcissism).

It ended when, for the first time in my life, I became depressed. External factors had me down, and like a pre-TRP idiot, I went to my "Snowflake" for assistance. After all, I had been there through all her emotional breakdowns and struggles, so I had thought she would be there for mine.

She was emotionally supportive (as much as a woman can be) for about 2 weeks. Then she slowly cut me out of her life. Less than a month after I had gone to her with my depression, she sent me a text about "drifting apart" and set her relationship status to Single on FB. And that was it. No call, nothing. 6 years, gone, like that.

At first, I developed a victim complex over it. Then I found TRP, and I realized what happened. Briffault's Law happened. I no longer provided any value to her. At my lowest point, not only did I show weakness, she believed herself to be better to me - and thus - deserving of a better mate.

In situations like mine and your friend's, the woman's self-perceived SMV becomes artificially increased over all the years of being with a High-Value Male. Because of this, even an ugly woman can delude herself into thinking she's a HB8. My ex was out clubbing ASAP once she left, posting that shit on FB like the next big thing had just became available on the Sexual Marketplace.

Watching that crash and burn was satisfying, to say the least. In the long run, this taught me that just because you can "beat" AWALT doesn't mean that you can avoid AWALT. I had merely maintained enough frame to keep AWALT suppressed for years, but once I lost frame, it knocked me on my ass full-force.

[–]el_nikon[S] 37 points38 points  (0 children)

In situations like mine and your friend's, the woman's self-perceived SMV becomes artificially increased over all the years of being with a High-Value Male. Because of this, even an ugly woman can delude herself into thinking she's a HB8

That right there. The delusion. I saw it. It was incredible.

[–]Super-Saiyajin 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Watching that crash and burn was satisfying, to say the least.

I can only imagine the satisfaction you felt from that Schadenfreude.

[–]OhAndOneMoreThing 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The difference is you seem to have a good conceptual understanding of what happened, and you realize that YOU fucked up. OP thinks his friend was some super Alpha, but the truth is he was threatening his girl for sex, after trying to buy her with a bigger house. Are you serious?

[–]real-boethius 2 points3 points  (0 children)

once I lost frame, it knocked me on my ass full-force.

And this was the problem with the friend that OP referred to. He lost frame and assumed that his wife would play reasonable and fair.

[–]SilentForTooLong 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Way too much extrapolation from shit stories.

You dated someone with zero real connection, for appearance and convenience sake.

Don't pass it off as a real relationship. Actual men of value can share their emotions within the context of real relationships.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)


What is this?

[–]waitfor_ittt 110 points111 points  (20 children)

I was watching Kurt Cobain's documentary last night. Guy was handsome as fuck and Courtney Love looked like a moisturized salamander. Supposedly there was a letter in his wallet that said she was siphoning money from his account for drugs and whoring. No wonder he killed himself, victim of NAWALT beliefs. If only he knew TRP, but of course, this is just speculation.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 58 points59 points  (3 children)

That was a sad documentary. Guy was so broken inside. She said she "wasn't as monogomous" as he was and told him she was thinking of screwing someone else. That's when he OD'd in Italy the week before he blew his head off.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (2 children)

He had no masculine role model because his own dad rejected him. Poor motherfucker.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 39 points40 points  (1 child)


Parents rejected him and killed his world when they got divorced, social anxiety got him to start drugs, the incident with the kids at school calling him a retard fucker, the crippling stomach ailments that were only soothed by heroin because Drs couldn't figure out what was wrong with him, and fame making him feel more lonely than ever.

It's just a damn shame. I truly hurt for that guy.

RIP Kurt.


[–]Meglomaniac 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I can almost guarentee that the stomach ailments were caused by stress.

[–]sometimestraveled 25 points26 points  (8 children)

I believe he was a heroin addict as well.

[–]sharp7 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Addictions usually stem from a shitty life. If your life is great you tend to avoid negative addictions. Mostly desperate miserable people become disfunctionally addicted. Its essentially just slow suicide. They found this to be true even with rats. Keep a rat stuck in a small cage and theyll become drug addicts. Put a rat in a huge amusement park for rats with other rat friends around and they avoid addiction. Something was shitty in Kurts life and seems like Courtney is likely the or atleast a cause.

[–]whyalwaysm3 4 points5 points  (2 children)

8 years ago I woudlve been that ignorant guy about addicts. Today, I agree 100% with you and after having my own battles and experience I look at addicts differently now. You never know what the person is battling inside, and usually drugs help him avoid this daily battle.

[–]sharp7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What made you change your opinion?

[–]whyalwaysm3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just a little background, I was someone who didn't even smoke weed more than a handful of times during my entire high school/college life. I drank here and there but nothing else. I didn't have an easy life growing up, I constantly dealt with anxiety and depression here and there and the latter got a little worse the past few years due to a bad long relationship I had and other life factors, that's when I discovered that some drugs completely erased my negative thinking, my anxiety and depression, and just overall made me more content. Of course I loved this feeling in the beginning, I felt "free" for once. Eventually this turned into an almost daily habit where at one point I didn't even know what I was like when I was sober. I quit once, had shitty withdrawals, lasted for a couple months and found myself in the same situation again doing shit again. Second time I finally quit on my own with no outside pressure when I realized I didn't know what I was like sober anymore, I decided to take Meds for depression (believe it or not St. Johns Wort is working amazingly for me and I'm glad I didn't have to use pharmaceuticals). Now I'm in a content state in life and I face my problems head on.

I was one of those "no way I will ever be addicted", "addicts choose to do drugs", but through my experience I realized it isn't so black and white and I now understand that many addicts simply use to hide from problems, to feel more content about their situation, etc. I'm happy I went through this and it's humbled me a great deal and now I will offer help to any addict who truly wants help or advice.

[–]waitfor_ittt 8 points9 points  (1 child)

No need to believe what is widely regarded as true. What's up for speculation is whether his heroin addiction was his biggest issue, because that reptilian Courtney Love didn't seem like she was benefitting his life whatsoever, and quite possibly could have been the source of his addiction. But I only watched a documentary so my knowledge is limited.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

pussy is one hell of a drug, that's why the doc prescribed the redpill.

[–]_eskimo_brothers_ 25 points26 points  (0 children)

moisturized salamander.

Sweet baby jesus. Perfection. I had a salamander as a child, this is perfect. We really do have some of the best descriptive writers here.

Sad story of an artist, but it's not a new one. I'll probably always think she had more to do with it, but honestly there is nothing anyone can do about it now.

[–]wanderer779 3 points4 points  (1 child)

He was pretty fucked up and needed help which he definitely did not find. Also, if you listen to his second album the lyrics, from what sense I could make of them, seem to suggest that he thought his marriage to her had ruined him.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Married, buried, yeah yeah yeah yeah

[–]SunshineBlotters 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Guy was handsome as fuck and Courtney Love looked like a moisturized salamander

LMAO! It amazes me how easily a terrible woman (looks, attitude, etc,) can get married. It seems like they could tie the knot even easier than Karlie Kloss caliber women (supermodel in Harvard Business School).

[–]dildonitron[🍰] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The Kman was also a feminist, with Courtney being the top feminazi at the time. She treated Him how He wanted, like a small child. No male role model, shitty childhood, never took responsibility, all female partners were mother types, etc.

If she was off snortin cocks and suckin coke He probably knew about it and probably supported it because it made her happy and she was being a liberated 90s woman.

If it weren't for her running the show we may not have seen some of the latter years of His music. I think it sucks but I see it like He sacrificed His masculinity so the world and an entire generation could enjoy His music.

[–]MysterManager 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember the praise she got for her acting in The People vs Larry Flint. I was blown away, acting? She is a drugged out whore, she wasn't acting like a drugged out whore, she was just being herself! It would be like Tiger Woods being cast to play a half Asian golf star for fucks sake.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

moisturized salamander

I like this. Yes I will steal it.

[–]chivalry_augustus 136 points136 points [recovered]

People aren't meant to fuck exclusively, it's true with women, it's true with men. This idea that you're always going to be out-alphaed by some other guy is flawed, the fact is you're always going to be that which she knows and is not curious about if you're exclusive and you know each other like the back of your hand(s). Whereas the next guy she meets is going to be somebody she doesn't know and remains curious about.

This is why aloofness, and maintaining an air of mystery, is among the best tools within a man's arsenal in terms of game - the longer you are a mystery, the more you are able to retain her through the complex cocktail of emotions you initiate in her. Being predictable is boring. Being a complete dick-head isn't, and it keeps her on edge. That's why girls can stay loyal and faithful to a dark-triad psychopath for longer, because he strums on all of her chords completely by accident.

It's nobody's fault that we're not naturally monogamous, it's just the way we are. People forget that we're just a very complicated animal, and that our thoughts are always getting in the way of our instincts, rather than the other way around. Cheating is socially unacceptable but it's really just the normal course of things. We want to fuck a variety of people because it's good for us. It's the way we're built. The problem we have is that the social construct of marriage remains and is weighted unfavourably to benefit the female. Marriage is not something that stands up against the passage of time - we have too much freedom, and too much access to one another, to bear the burden of forced monogamy. More than half of marriages end in divorce, but that does not reliably analyse the success of the marriages that do not get drawn into that statistic - how many marriages involve a cheating partner?

In how many marriages do husband and wife both cheat, yet stay together out of need, out of necessity due to finances or children, out of some silly notion that they can patch it all up and rebuild love from the failing of their chemistry, of their emotions? We cling to this notion of love, but don't forget that it is men who are blinded most by their biology, by the whirring of emotion, by society's constant need to push upon us this idea that there is one person out there who shall, somehow, deliver us from our dull, pathetic lives into a heavenly euphoria of dopamine and oxytocin, into a complete nirvana of bonding, love, and sexuality. We are sold this dream, while women have a much wider palate of sexual experiences before, during, and after their most recent (monogamous) relationship - be that a marriage or a simple boyfriend/girlfriend affair.

That is the reason why monogamous relationships are not good for us as men. In an ideal world, I would love and enjoy a monogamous relationship, but a relationship of that ilk is surrendering too much of your freedom while risking a great deal of your resources, of your future, of your time. And it's for the sake of very little, unfortunately. You cannot alpha a woman to death, you cannot, by some complex mastery of red-pill, become the kind of alpha who can stoically retain a woman by his very aura - because women just are not like that. Being alpha is most useful during the initial courtship, and during the first few months of an inter-sexual relationship.

Thereafter, you're competing against a woman's situation. That's where variety is your enemy. The threat becomes the man who is not like you, or the man who is like you but subtly different, or the man who looks like that vampire/werewolf/pirate/billionaire from that girly porn she has been reading. Hence, on an ongoing basis, your only real weapon is your ability to not care. Ultimately, your investment in a woman is only toxic to the extent that you care either about the woman, or your relationship with the woman. Because, whether you stay together, or don't, you're going to get hurt. Somewhere along the line, you will get into a fight, and she will accidentally on purpose blurt out your failings as a man, whether in terms of your personality, your lack of alpha/beta traits that she desires, or in terms of your fallibility, or else your (failure in) looks compared to the ultimate alpha male she visualises in her mind.

This is the real reason why we're cruel on here sometimes, why we're apathetic. It's why guys like me have little trouble dehumanising women - it's not because we don't like or appreciate women, it's because on a one-to-one, private basis with a woman, we find it very difficult to care, because previous times when we've cared, we've been fucked over. When your caring and your kindness and your quintessence as a man are what has lead to you being bounced around and played like a bitch, you begin to look at the detail. You come to a place like this (theredpill), and the surface is revealed to you. Then you look back at the detail again. And you keep looking. As with all things, the detail is frightening, and you wish you could forget it. You'd rather turn back, and not know what you know. Now, you spend your whole time cold-reading girls, working out their intentions.

But, you learn to look after number one. Because all women are like that and the only safe way out is to stop caring about anybody but yourself.

[–]RP_Vergil 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Some say be natural about yourself with woman, no harm letting them know your vulnerabilities. It's to show you dgaf.

I say fuck off, why hand them the weapon which could pierce through your skin and let them wail it at you. I've seen more woman who make personal attacks than guys who does that.

Nice write up, it should be a post on it's own.

[–]rogue190 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Usually just up vote instead of comment when I don't have anything to contribute. But I just want to say that was a great reply - post worthy.

[–]polarpack 1 point2 points  (7 children)

FYI the half of marriages end in divorce was found to be a false statistic. Actually, people now stay married longer than they used, so if anything, divorce rate is decreasing. But I agree with what you said, especially about being aloof and maintaining an air of mystery. That works well for me.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 20 points21 points  (2 children)

also, less people are divorcing because less people are getting married.

[–]chivalry_augustus 7 points7 points [recovered]

Oh, that's enlightening, a failure rate in excess of half has always struck me as being odd, in the sense that it would seem to discourage both participants from wasting their time, effort and money. However, I do still wonder about the wider data of marriage - how many people cheat in their marriage, how many people continue in an unhappy marriage because they feel trapped by finances, by their family situation, by necessity? How many people feel enriched by the experience?

I look at the marriages I am aware of, and there are a good number of them, even the ones that should still be in their honeymoon period, that are taking on an air of begrudging tolerance, rather than of vibrant passion, love, and desire. That's not to say that anecdotal evidence is deserving of inclusion in a serious analysis, it's just that I wonder about marriage in more general terms than other people do. Marriage is one of the boxes a lot of people tick in terms of their life-plan. You're born, you go to school, you fuck around a bit, you get a job, you meet a girl, and another, and another, you marry one of them, you have kids, you die.

Are people getting married because they feel they ought to? Do people stay married because they feel duty-bound? Is marriage something that makes people happier? Could the same positive results of certain marriages be re-created by marrying two strangers off to one another, and seeing how they fare? Like I say, marriage is not for me, but I still find it utterly fascinating, especially as it has been one of the crucial social glues that has defined the history of our race, and has certainly helped in terms of our advancement. I struggle to see how we would have developed had we retained the laws of the jungle, and simply let chaos prevail.

[–]Shiningknight12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The main issue is that people do have an instinct to pair bond, but go into marriage with no strong goals or roles in the relationship. Maybe they feel like having a kid or two, but past that they have no metric to judge whether their marriage is successful. So they go off of feelings, and when things get hard they leave.

[–]BadassRPMofo 77 points78 points  (17 children)

That 'A' in AWALT is there for a reason.....because given the right circumstances, ALL women will do what they do.

Expecting to find NAWALT in an AWALT world is a fool's mission...

[–]Terd_Ferguson69 12 points13 points  (15 children)

So RP women are like that also?

[–]JustACrosshair_ 41 points42 points  (1 child)

If they are RP they will still feel it, but they will be self aware enough to resist and confide in the male with what is going on. RP women would recognize what they have to lose or what they are gambling when they fly with their feels. They still experience these things though.

[–]lazysnakes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed except I won't waste his time talking to him about it, I just deal with it. Self-awareness is a wonderful thing and TRP has improved our relationship no end. He doesn't need to know why. He has no time or interest in reading, or relationship talks, he has a lot else to deal with right now. Understanding TRP has helped me figure out how best to support him instead of having the whole thing fall apart.

[–]whatyearisthisagain 96 points97 points  (1 child)

There is a difference between All Women Are Like That and all women will do that.

[–]ModAerobus 30 points31 points  (3 children)

Yes. AWALT means All. RP women are still women. They are simply self-aware. They can utilize being self-aware to not act like a bitch, but expect a woman to behave like a woman.

Don't fall into this trap that RPW are unicorns.

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What is this?

[–]SplashArtist 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Its a constant struggle between the reptilian brain and the neocortex bruh.

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 36 points37 points  (1 child)

There are no RP women, only women who are aware of the existence of TRP. Ultimately, all women trade a part of themselves for the access to what they want from a man. Your "RP women" want to know how to package what they have (by being feminine and not a pain in the ass) and trade it for the commitment of an alpha. The only difference between them and the rest of the female population is that they are better informed about what quality men want.

[–]trowawayyada 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even TRP aware woman will ride the CC, maybe not as hard but they will. She wasn't looking for commiment which was fine & dandy with me. We had some fun for about 6mo then just moved on. Good times.

[–]nechoha 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Rp women are those that can admit some of the shenanigans pulled by women in general and want a marriage closer to 1.0. They strive to do better and have that relationship, but they will continue to exhibit awalt behavior.

[–]Wrong_Opinion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No man can know the future, but in our little wisdom err trust to measure the risk and so gamble our fortunes.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. Just because they are aware of their nature doesn't make them immune to hamstering, only less susceptible.

[–]LifeAtPeace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ALL women will do what they do.

I would say ALL women can do that.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 32 points33 points  (8 children)

Can confirm. Even a 2/10 will act like a spoiled, 9/10 if you let her.

I had a plate on and off for many years, waay below my SMV but easy and convenient at times. By trial and error, learned a lot about regaining and maintaining frame with this one, which helped my game with much better women. (This was before the WWW existed, no TRP to guide me.) Soon a pattern emerged of good sex > acted like a bitch to me > dump her harshly > months later she spends weeks begging to get back together > make-up sex wherein her ass gobbled me up like Pac-man > rinse & repeat.

She's long since been attritted by better women. Fun times and learning experiences taken away.

For marriage, don't span too many SMV points up or down in your choice.

[–]smartredditor 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Can confirm. Even a 2/10 will act like a spoiled, 9/10 if you let her.

In my experience it’s even worse. If you’re a 9/10 and date a 2/10, the 2 won’t just act like a spoiled 9, she’ll convince herself she is one. When she doesn’t turn heads like she expects, she’ll get desperate for attention.

[–]kalstate 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Isn't that an extreme version of an alpha widow?

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Pretty much. Like a modern-day Eliza Doolittle after exposure to a cunning linguist- she won't fit in or settle for her level, and can't catch someone as high again, so yeah.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is cool, I went through the same experience with one girl and have never seen anybody comment about a similar situation until now. It was such a predictable cycle; like clockwork. I learnt so much about game from her. Ah, Christin....

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha, yeah, its kind of like social media where everyone presents all their best and nothing else.

I'm long past the age where I'm inhibited from telling embarrassing stories about my past, when it can help young men avoid re-learning the lessons the hard way.

[–]whyalwaysm3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was 5 years with a girl who was easily a 10/10 (even had her modeling pics (advertisements) in popular spots in NYC). I'm by no means ugly, many girls say I'm handsome, I'm in shape, smart, nice jawline and a nice structured face.

Well everything was good when I was the one in charge, if she acted stupid I made a huge fuss and acted like an asshole (deservedly so). So finally years later I got sick of fighting over things and kinda just let shit flow, I'd stopped making a fuss over things I'd never allow back then. You would think less fighting = healthier relationship? Wrong. In fact she started to abuse this new freedom. Long story short I ended it.

Lesson learned, from now on I will never relinquish power, if she wants to be with me she will respect me and my boundaries. I wish I learned this earlier but you live and learn.

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[–]el_nikon[S] 30 points31 points  (8 children)

This "if I do (X), then I can avoid (AWALT)" is flawed.

No, I don't think you can avoid it.

  • If I get (third world women) then I avoid AWALT.

No. If anything, third world women might have even better game. At any rate, its not going to solve your problems.

  • if (happy wife, happy life) then I avoid AWALT.

Good luck with that bullshit. Patrice O'neal on the Black Philip Show has a great segment on that nonsense

I don't buy it. AWALT.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Your correct third world women are much better at game. They need it to survive. How good you think there skills are? try master level.

[–]ChadThundercockII 2 points3 points  (4 children)

If you are alpha fucks or beta prime . you can very well lead a happy life with them.

Source: I live in North Africa.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you are Alpha or Beta prime and White in Asia:

Prepared to get bent over.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Where in North Africa?

Source: I'm living in North Africa too.

[–]RP_Vergil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just because she is from a third world doesn't change much of her programming.

I knew of an Asian girl who branch swing to a white guy from her LDR Asian bf, it happened so fast, almost just 3 months of studying aboard and she is already with the new guy.

Better yet, after some time she starts to berate asian guys as losers and weak fools.

The nerve of that Hamster is strong. Not to mention she is a 4/10 at best, only saving grace is her boobs for someone whose 5'3.

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 26 points27 points  (1 child)

What are you trying to avoid, exactly? A dead bedroom? The only way to avoid that is for the woman you're bedding to have a fear at the back of her head that if she doesn't please you, things are going to go bad for her. The only option left in the west to do that is to display your ability to walk away. That's it. That's why TRP says again and again: don't get married.

[–]1ThumpNuts 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This is the way it works in my marriage. My wife is on notice, if she even has a dream about fucking around, I'm getting laid that night.


I guess it's a form of "dread game." She is 100X more jealous than I am, and she knows I am capable of finding some pussy ASAP. Plus, I demand sex fairly frequently and do my duty to keep her cumming back for more. She has lot more to lose than I do, and she will be way more hurt about it than I.

I'm already resigned to the fact that AWALT. If I keep my shit straight, there is a good chance she doesn't stray, but if she does... oh, well. I'm not going to sweat it.

Ultimately, it's her mistake to make.

PS: AWALT! You can't say this enough in TRP. Everyone needs to be reminded, all the time. There are waaaaaaaaay too many unicorn hunters posting in TRP and they need it beaten in their heads.

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[–]BrunoOh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn right, he settled.

It's like having a relationship with a fattie. It's clear that the guy can't get anything better. Everyone who sees them knows that, he knows that, and most importantly, she knows it too.

[–]snakehayter 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I knew a fat girl in high school who not surprisingly had shit confidence, she wasn't ugly, just fat enough to be considered unattractive. A mutual friend of mine dated her for a bit, he had higher smv since he lifted and played football.

After about a few months of dating, she started messaging other guys and acting really flirty at school. It was sickening, but I wasn't shocked because now i know even a girl like her can get cock with little effort. My friend was surprised, but he wasn't hurt since he mostly dated her because of a fat ass fetish.

The point is, the myth about unattractive girls being good ltr material is bullshit. Low smv girls are usually either too emotionally attached from self esteem issues, or immediately become sluts when they discover the cock.

[–]alclarkey 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Or it's because they've gained some faux confidence because a hot guy hit it once.

[–]snakehayter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly, this chick thought she was eye candy after dating one guy

[–]Johnny10toes 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Re: No you can't marry an ugly girl and expect her to be faithful. AWALT. No exceptions, even for uggos.

I thought this was more common knowledge than a hot chick cheating.

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[–]1kick6 17 points18 points  (23 children)

There's no foolproof way from preventing stankin' ass bitches. However, if the only thing this dude did was lift........................he didn't do shit. Your example is a guy that, on paper, was a badass but obviously had weak as fuck married game.

I'm not gaurantee'ing he could have saved it, but he certainly had a better shot if he'd lead that relationship instead of hiding from it in the gym.

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep. This.

When they got married, she started demanding more extravagant living arrangements. He complied by taking a side job in a dangerous field.

She asks for more shit, and he responds with 'Sure, honey. I'll be your beta bux.'

[–]el_nikon[S] 4 points5 points  (21 children)

obviously had weak as fuck married game.


This seems to me to be one of those (insert game here) then you can avoid AWALT caveats. I'm curious to see where you say its obvious.

[–]1kick6 30 points31 points  (20 children)

  • Two grad students (broke as fuck) she demands a nicer place, he caves.

  • deadbedroom, he asks once...and then goes and hides in the gym. You can bluster all you want with things like "he wasn't going to beg," but the truth is, he just hid from the issues by lifting weights.

  • no active dread game whatsoever. It just so happens that when men get fit they automatically instill some dread in their spouses, yes. But you're saying this dude was already fit. The wife already knew he could fuck outside the relationship, but wasn't. Going from being able to fuck 8s to fuck 10s doesn't instill dread in a 5 who knows she's locked down a dude. He needed active dread...not passive.

[–]el_nikon[S] 3 points4 points  (19 children)

Alright. You don't know this guy. i do. Ill fill in the details.

she demands a nicer place, he caves.

Theyre splitting the costs. He gets the garage he wants, and he moves closer to work. This was a compromise, to be sure. At this point, you'll argue that a compromise or not getting 100% on every argument you want is not leading. You can have that opinion. I don't think its realistic or possible with a woman. i will agree that he need to tell her to fuck off more on this point.

hides in the gym

I'm not sure how your argument works. A workout with this guy is 30 mins to an hour. How does anyone hide in a gym? No one is really there long enough.

no dread game whatsoever

You really don't know this guy. He had undergrad students that wanted to bang him. His wife knew this.

I think you're jumping the gun here. i think you have something on the first point, but theres a catch. The other two are unconvincing to me.

[–]1kick6 18 points19 points  (13 children)

I'm not sure how your argument works. A workout with this guy is 30 mins to an hour. How does anyone hide in a gym? No one is really there long enough.

I'm using your words here. You said he asked once, and when it didn't work, he just went and got more fit.

You really don't know this guy. He had undergrad students that wanted to bang him. His wife knew this. I think you're jumping the gun here. I'm left unconvinced of the argument.

She knew that walking in the door. Quite obviously, she knows he won't. She knows he's wrapped around her finger. There's no dread. I'm guessing it's because he's turned them down in front of her. Now if he showed interest in these undergrads. Or decided to have "unschedule office hours" where he was unavailable for contact (aka active dread), then maybe he'd have something.

Basically, this bitch thinks he's locked down permanently. She thinks he's her little bitch, and from what you've relayed, he's done nothing to challenge her assumptions.

[–]el_nikon[S] -2 points-1 points  (12 children)

Knowing this guy, the first point is where your argument has teeth, but its complicated.

Hiding in the gym as an argument doesnt make any sense.

Your dread game argument really doesnt make any sense. This guy has the attention of 18 to 20 year old college pussy daily.

Go with your first point. The other two are dead in the water.

[–]1kick6 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Your dread game argument really doesnt make any sense. This guy has the attention of 18 to 20 year old college pussy daily.

Is this new? No. He's had that attention since the beginning of the relationship. The wife has become comfortable with him not banging these chicks. He needs to up the ante.

Think of it this way: you know a lion could eat you. If you lived with a lion for a few years, you'd eventually start to think "nah, this line would never eat me." You'd stop worrying about it. She has. There's no dread in the attention he's getting because as the lion...he's never bit anyone.

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 4 points5 points  (3 children)

This guy has the attention of 18 to 20 year old college pussy daily.

Then it's his fault for not acting on it. Seriously, if your main woman refuses to put out, barring a medical condition, you go and fuck another woman. If he's not capable of doing it (whether it's because he can't attract hotter women or is morally opposed to the idea) she'll know it and there will be no dread.

[–]el_nikon[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

He moved out, divorced and acted on it. Worked out just fine.

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Good for him, but you have to admit, he should have done it immediately. He wasted a lot of time and effort on that broad, when it could have been over in a week.

[–]NidStyles 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hiding in the gym means he spends more time lifting than in pursuit of loftier goals. Being fit already and trying to get "fitter" signals low self-esteem to a wife. It is a detriment to your frame. Even in the gym you need to have that IDGAF projections going. If he starts spending more time in the gym while she is cutting off the sex, he is clearly signaling that she has control of the situation.

The dread game doesn't work with the same sex. Her knowing that other women are interested doesn't matter if she knows he will never sex those ladies up. His dread game needs to be on point as in she has to actually believe he would have sex with those hotter women. Not just be aware that they are interested. Her hamster has to actually believe it is or will happen for it to start running in dread mode. He could have easily started buying condoms on a card and left the receipt somewhere in one of his drawers to next level her. His game was obviously not on point.

[–]absolucion 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I think that last point is important here. He had grad students who wanted him but Wifey knew he wouldn't. If she thinks there is a shadow of a doubt he would, she would have been putting out everyday.

[–]el_nikon[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

To me this reads like (If I can dread her enough) then I can avoid AWALT

[–]unassumingusername7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Your point seems to be that we should not make an effort with women because AWALT. Dread only works because AWALT. You should keep AWALT in mind, but if what you want can be accomplished through dread or whatever, then do that. Just don't think you're making a unicorn by doing so.

[–]enkae7317 1 point2 points  (0 children)

IDK man if this guy so damn alpha and gettin bitches all up on him (plus he lifts) why not dump the 5/10? I think he pussy whipped and feels he can't do shit without her garbage wife pulling him down.

Only beta bux feels like they're trapped and I literally lol-ed when he didn't get any from his 5/10 wife for 6 months I woulda dropped that hoe like a sack of taters.

[–]PlusGoody 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Make an ugly woman your wife / GF / plate" has got to be the worst recurring advice.

Ugly women are desperate for external validation. Those who used to be ugly are psychotic for it. Cheating is a systemic weakness as a result. Beautiful women who have always been so often (but not in all cases) DGAF about other people's opinions because they've always know they're hot. That's why betas compliment / attention game works so poorly with them. Fidelity to an alpha is easy for them.

[–]bitches_be_crazy86 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Recently there has been an influx of users or something as I see unicorn hamstering and lots and lots of how can I get marriage/LTR work posts.

You can't fix it as it hasn't become broken. It was a stacked game right from the start.

[–]plentyoffishes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The first problem is getting married. Horrible idea for a number of reasons.

[–]__Archaeus__ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I read this article yesterday: https://archive.is/AzfPC

It pertains to SMV, and the fact that females subconsiously change their SMV based on her males SMV.

In theory, once she sleeps with a male of higher value, she then views herself as such, forever more.

To me, it seems like your friend (who is probably a decent 7/8), raised her SMV, hence why she shit tested the fuck outta him.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Guy I've counseled [M41] got a baby momma [F23]. He's very active blue collar job, 5'9", 150, average or better looks. She's 350. She cheats on him for a year with a married guy. I shudder to think what the married guy's wife looks like. Maybe it was a DB, and he thought that sex with a land whale was better than thumbing it.


[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The reason we say "keep your SMV higher than your wife" isn't because she will be grateful and behave. It is to make sure you have options. Those options make you attractive and it is then easier to pull dread game. My belief about your friend is that he played beta bux too much and too often and she got sick of him really fast. Most likely it started way before the wedding.

Even more commonly though instead of saying keep your wife lower than you we say don't get a wife. I honestly believe that no man who is husband material is attractive to the woman who marries him. She realizes that he offers her a path to validation and resources and so she marries him.

If a woman says she wants to marry you take that as an insult and leave. You're the guy that is going to be begging her for sex on your honeymoon and being rejected. Youre the guy that is going to try everything to fix your relationship but fail because she never saw you as anything special.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If a woman says she wants to marry you take that as an insult and leave.

The best thing an attractive girl has said to me was in the following conversation...

Me: Make up your mind. Either you want to hang (powertalk) with me or not.

Her: "okay, but only for sex"

I have zero interest in platonic relations with a woman in any capacity. So when a woman only sees me as a good fuck, that's a compliment.

[–]OhAndOneMoreThing 8 points9 points  (4 children)

she started demanding more extravagant living arrangements. He complied

who has the power here?

This motherfucker waited 6 long months and she never put out.

Doing nothing is not alpha

After 6 months he gave her a fuck me or divorce me talk

Using confrontational, overt communication is what WOMEN do when they are frustrated.

She then doled out just enough sex to keep him from complaining.

You cannot negotiate genuine desire

  1. Just being muscular doesn't mean anything.
  2. Have you read The Rational Male?

[–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What are you supposed to do if not be direct in your communication about what you want from a woman?

[–]OhAndOneMoreThing 1 point2 points  (1 child)

From "My Use of Dread Game in a LTR" by /u/TAOofSTEVE :

The lessons learned: It’s all in the covert message you send. It’s the fear of loss that you subtly instill in her. If I would have sat her down and openly talked about how much I was frustrated with the lack of affection and sex in our relationship, things wouldn’t have improved. If anything, they would have worsened. Women do not react to such overt messaging.

Secondly, if I would have made it obviously clear that I was going no contact with her, it would not have worked either. I would have looked like a whiny pouty child. Instead, by subtly distancing myself from her, I let her own fears control her, instead of me trying to force them upon her.

And lastly, the plausible deniability/amused mastery of having another girl flirt with you cannot be underestimated. If I would have went up to another girl and flirted with her in attempts to make my girl jealous, it wouldn’t have had the same effect. But since she came up to me, and I neither encouraged it nor stopped it, it elicited the right amount of emotions/fear of loss in my girl that it put the onus on to do something about it.

It's important to really go through posts like this slowly and digest what they mean. I read TRP the way I read the great philosophers, slowly. I have a psychology degree and I still have to stop after a couple of sentences because some of the posters here literally blow my mind. Also, read the whole sidebar, without it you're not really going to understand.

[–]absolucion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

From my understanding, keeping your SMV high is passive dread game. It's also one aspect of LTR game. You have to couple it with more to make it effective. Your friend wasn't and he got burned by it. Hopefully karma struck them both and gave them what they both deserve.

[–]dUdV 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Of course an ugly girl is more likely to cheat. Think about it, they have no experience turning down guys because they almost never get hit on. As soon as it happens she'll say yes just for the novelty alone. Dating an ugly chick is essentially betting that there's no one desperate enough to approach her, it's like playing Russian roulette with your relationship.

[–]football1010 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is one of the scariest, yet also one of the most eye opening and extremely persuasive posts I've ever read on this forum, and I've been here for years.

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So an "alpha" married an ugly girl. Failed easy shit tests and allowed a dead bedroom situation for 6 months to continue.

He allowed her to trickle sex him to string him along and treat him like crap.

I am confused where he was alpha. He picked a chick with low SMV because he was insecure.

He took a side job cuz he had given his balls to her for no good reason.

Bad treatment immediately after the wedding? This guy is blue pill as all get out.

[–]SgtTRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been scrolling down the (top-level) comments and this is the only one (among many) which assigns some responsibility to our alpha guy.

He fucked this up. I put 100% blame on him. No sex right after the marriage, that's reason enough for a divorce. He was clearly living in her world. (frame)

[–]JayViceroy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This shit seems exaggerated as fuck. If your friend was such an alpha physically and apparently a smart dude, there's no chance he would wife down some fat schlub of a worthless female. Sounds like a great story for TRP but about as far from reality as could be. I can't imagine people like this exist. This dude can fuck the highest quality of girls and wife's down a crazy shit testing queen with seemingly no benefits. This is either bullshit or he is much more beta than OP leads us to believe.

[–]freethinker34 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I've seen good looking men with hideous girlfriends who have them locked down, many times.

[–]SgtTRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are good looking losers then.

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

New term for these dudes: Narwhal Hunters.

Like Unicorn hunters .... but they look an awful lot like whales

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've been saying this for two fucking years now. I overlooked her appearance, lopsided tits a full cup size different, always had been thin but loose skin because she never did anything physical other than walking, jacked up teeth, stringy thin hair that she rarely brushed, and a long androgynous face with a five head you could show Imax films on. No ass to speak of, no curves, just a strange sort of ungainly.

But her personality was great, she loved sex, got all kinds of kinky with me, and we fucked no less than three times a week (barring deployments and trips alone) but usually it was daily yo every other day. Head all the time, anal on occasion, BDSM, and any time I wanted it, she dropped to her knees or her pants and presented herself.

9 fucking years that went on, she was there when I was injured permanently on deployment, there when I couldn't work and could barely walk, and the sex never faltered. Then I am exposed to a chemical in paint and can't breathe for six months. I recover from being unable to move much, no exercise for 7 months, and the attendant weight gain of being active then forced sedentary, lose 25lbs and am well on the way to being better than before the chemical and within 48 hours she starts lying to me, hiding shit, and fucking this desperate loserkid she met on her firefighter training trip. Remember, she is homely as fuck, personality is unique and weird but fits me well, doesn't dress girly at all (hiking boots, flannel/fleece, and sweatshirts) and this kid just got forced away from the chick he was stalking by her dad and brothers. The other chick is 5'4" 260, 36, two kids, divorced, and with a shallow shrill personality despite being a nice girl. Not someone you want, and he chased that fat snatch for months, until my ugly girl bit.

There is always someone desperate enough to fuck your ugly girl, and she will fuck anyone if they appear (even temporarily) higher value than you, doesn't matter if they are or not. Ugly girls are still girls, they crave attention and validation just like hot girls, but they don't get as much. I wrongly assumed she was safe, nobody would want to fuck her that could possibly be higher in value... Well, I was right about that, he isn't higher value, but since I was sick he appeared to be.

Since then I don't fuck ugly girls, it's rare i fuck anyone over 36 and I'm 45. She was fun, but hot 22 year olds are more fun and college girls are easy. Virgins that have only had you, ugly girls, fat chicks, whatever, she can and will cheat easily at any opportunity. Shit, the two girls my nephews are fucking look at me with fuck me eyes, and flirt constantly when they're around me. Girls will fuck anyone who appears to be higher value and shows interest.

[–]ivkustov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Common guys. She was plain ENVY. He was in better shape, more academically successful, etc. He was showing her superiority in all way.

You too stuck here with simple models Alpha Fux, Beta Bucks, evolutionary psychology, but the world is bigger.

It's not AWALT, it's not that fat women are 'all whores'. She was envious bitch. People envy. It happens.

And it's his fault completely. He should see it coming. Read 48 Laws of Power for fuck's sake - you should completey eliminate envious people from your life.

[–]markfeel 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Daily reminder that there is absolutely no circumstance where you should get married. I'm amazed at some of the male hamstering on here "But what if I want kids?" "B-but what if I don't want to be alone when I'm 70?" "But what if you're her first and she's a mormon virgin and loooooves you blah blah blah"

Don't get married, IDGAF what your circumstance is. Shut your hamster the fuck up.

[–]RP_Student 4 points5 points  (0 children)

One flaw with this guy's plan was marrying a girl because he thought she wasn't that attractive. Girls can tell about things like that. Their marriage sounds more like an arrangement than a romantic marriage.

[–]ScottRikkard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, nothing is certain... Even with your best alpha behavior, natural or not... Let go of control - as they say in that ''club''.

[–]manwhowouldbeking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The red pill often forgets that people are people. Just because she is ugly does not mean she is not stupid, or opportunistic it just means that the guy settled for someone under his smv.

Now this will probably end in a divorce, he is most likely going to get a better outcome than the woman. But he has wasted his time.

[–]MightyTaint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

AWALT says all women have hypergamous tendencies. AWALT says all women want an alpha man, etc. AWALT does not say all women will marry you and then not fuck you for 6 months.

Look, I am committed to never getting married. I know how horrible women can turn, and I know some pretty despicable stuff is in their nature. But just because your friend's wife was ugly and horrible, doesn't mean AWALT. And what I mean by that, is while your example is something to take heed by, it doesn't mean ALL WOMEN will do it. It is not AWALT.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shitty people are shitty, and if they are, their objective attractiveness (whether it's physical or personality) doesn't matter.

The problem in that particular case is probably that the woman was simply impossible to please and, despite her being sub-par, thought she was deserving on having the world handed on a silver plate to her. So instead of thanking the Lord on her knees every day that she got more than she could ever hope to get in romantic terms, she probably just thought that it was what she was entitled to (in fact, even less). I know a fair number of women who are wired that way and who would probably tolerate nothing less than a 10/10 with a seven figure job and a direct pedigree reaching back to Charlemagne.

[–]redpillshadow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Afterwards, he told us, quietly, that attractive girls are a pain in the ass. She was so happy to be with him, he thought she would never blow it all up.

That is the second he nuked his SMV. After that mindset there was no difference in SMV anymore.

Sure from a male point of view there is, from a female point of view there is none. He settled for something low, in the female eyes that means that is the best he can do. Actions speaks the loudest. If he is willing to settle for shit than he is not top genetic material, not leader material, not worthy of respect.

[–]thekidfromthegutter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ugly ducks has a massive hatred towards pretty girls and generally meaner and ruder. Fuck them really.

[–]polarpack 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That is why I remain detached from a woman in a relationship. Complete indifference. I do not mistreat women, in fact I treat them well. But I simply do not care. I just trust her until proven otherwise. If and when that happens, I know how I will deal with it. But for now, I am just happy going from one girl to the next.

[–]kingofdon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol poor judgement. There's always signs. They had no children, no assets, so what they dated for a year and got married? Who the fuck does that? Morons. Then they're so shocked when "omg she completely changed" this guy was a whipped bitch, no matter what image he presented to his boys.

Why if he was so amazing would he just settle for a mutt? A 4??? There are plenty of 7s that never became cunts cause they were never given special treatment like the 9s. 150 million woman in the US and he settles for a 4, this alpha male model who's good at everything and God's gift to women. Right.

Anyone who is truly alpha and truly living red pill would never be so stupid and pathetic as to settle for marrying some 4. Ever. Just because you fucking hit the gym doesn't make you "red pill" or "alpha" or "boss". You can be jacked and tanned and still be a complete tool bag who will never net a real woman just stupid bimbo cunts who want coke and cocks.

I've been living the definition of red pill for a decade, and it's so annoying to see everyone make a horrible choice on a mate then when it - predictably - goes to shit scream AWALT!! And try and pretend like they were so boss and it was just that the woman fucked it all up.

Just to really sum it up, if the women you're seeing don't absolutely worship you, don't think you're the best thing to ever happen on earth, don't spend all day thinking about you, don't want to bend over backwards to give u absolutely anything and everything... You're a chump, or you're wasting your time. There's no in between here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know women who do this except they date under thinking that just because the guy is unattractive, doesn't mean he would break up or have the potential to be alpha.

Doesn't really work on both sides, I guess.

[–]Sunshinelorrypop 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There's a guy I know who's getting married. He way into the obese bmi spectrum, he hasn't got a decent job. He's quite an easy going person, will talk to anyone.

His fiancee is much more attractive and has a lot better job. He always get stick for "punching above his weight."

I've seen her in clubs with other guys.

I just don't really understand this relationship dynamic. To me, it doesn't make much sense from a RP perspective.


[–]drlancesweets 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does she want a househubby?

[–]inferno1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably banging the other dudes

[–]AntixD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that would hurt even worse

[–]Niordd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are willing to marry an ugly women just to be comfortable, than you are not an alpha I would say, no matter how much lifting you will do.

Than waiting for sex for 6 months...? 6 MONTHS? The fuck...?

I mean, if there was nothing connecting them (assets children) he should bail on her after 3 days. No wonder she went to fuck other guys.

[–]IvanMedved 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well he traded his position of alpha (dominant) in his normal social group for a position of omega (completely dominated) in the social group of two — him and his wife.

This is because he didn't participate in creating the rules for the 'game' of their relationship, and he freely and by his volition threw away those of a social group (driven by modern pop-culture) when he said: "attractive girls are a pain in the ass". And probably his wife subconsciously set those rules, so he got 0 points of dominance for all his good attributes, while she awarded herself with all the dominance points for her (imagined or not) attributes.

So if she already has seen herself as the dominant of their relationship, then she has little incentive for self-control. To that add what other users posted: AWALT, need for validation, poor self-control in obese people...

[–]TheAloofCat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This reminds me of one of the first dates I had. At 16 yo, A friend introduced me to a girl by chat and flirted for a week or so before arranging for a date. At the time I had low self-esteem but I knew I wasn't a uggo or anything so I went for it. On my way to meet this chick I found a couple of friends along the way, when they saw her they rated her a 4 and that she was below me (admittedly, she looked better in pics).

My then omega self decided I should try and know her and shit. Within less than 2 minutes she said that I wasn't what she was expecting and told me to go with my friends elsewhere. I still remember how devastated I was.

Upon meeting a woman don't think what I did. If you don't like her then go. They're not gonna be merciful with you.

At least she was sincere though.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

attractive girls are a pain in the ass. She was so happy to be with him, he thought she would never blow it all up.

All that nice girl stuff stopped, according to him, right after the wedding.

Been down that road. Don't get married. I got married and I tell people in LTRs with kids to STILL not get married.

I had co-worker who is a new father with his girlfriend, we chat it up the joys of raising a child, another chimes in "So when's the wedding?" I spoke up "Who needs a wedding. Don't fix what aint broke" But he replied "He has a kid now, should get married, I did that with my girl" My RP mindset. "Marriage is more hassle than needed. They are already technically married through having a child, adding any more legality can hurt long term." looking over at the new dad: "Dude, not saying you and your girl are gonna split or anything but 18 years is a long ass time and anything can happen. Don't let anyone pressure you into marriage nor think that marriage will magically make anything better."

I was about to whip out the divorce rape and losing half your assets but sometimes the world just isn't ready for the Red Pill.

[–]_fappycamper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I stopped reading at "he complied."

[–]TRP_James 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, her getting a hot guy probably inflated her own view of what she was worth.

[–]wheyapartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"quietly, that attractive girls are a pain in the ass"

that alone is enough to tell me how this ends

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol This dude better had bailed before he got her pregnant. Oh lord. I pray for this man that he escapes before its too late.

edit: In addition, either his sex game is weak, or she's on another level of retarded or something. I'm thinking the former because it was an immediate dead bedroom. Many women will still cheat and still have sex with their husband.

[–]Strangeclouds420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, you can have all the nice things and nice body but at the end of the day to demand sex from your wife you're gonna have to have some good dick game. This sounds like one of the cases where he just wasn't putting it down. It's not his fault entirely, sometimes monagamy can breed this type of mentality since you're not getting the trial and error on a larger sample size. I pray to God he left this woman though.

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