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ive been reading a lot of articles on here and a lot of it is confusing but a lot of it makes sense too. after everything i was taught and told about being a 'lady' i'm finding that none of my peers or any women i know live up to these ideals and act just like men in most ways.

So what does the red pill mean to women? Should women live by the same ideals of freedom, self-expression, and self-fulfillment as men? What can women learn from the red pill, generally? Thanks for any thoughts.


[–]iggybdawg 9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I think you should learn to recognize elements of game that are dangerous to your relationships. For example, you meet a good boyfriend, fall in love, get married, have kids, but then years of your shit tests turn your awesome alpha male into a whiny beta male. Without redpill knowledge, you wouldn't know that you are half responsible for his unattractiveness.

Even before that, you should see now that using "Let's Just Be Friends" as a rejection is meaner than a clear "no". If you really intend to be a friend to such a guy, help him find a girlfriend. Give actionable feedback on why he failed with you. Otherwise, you are keeping him in stasis as your beta orbitor, leading him on without intending to, which is cruel.

Also, isn't hypergamy just an example of "the grass is always greener"?

In addition, if you don't like negs, recognize that men use them because they work. Don't want guys to neg you? don't give in to them.

To me redpill knowledge is simply observing sexual selection behavior as it is, not as it should be.

So in short, both females and males can use the knowledge to be more in control of obtaining their desired outcome.

[–]DawnHyman 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hypergamy might be more than "grass is always greener." Check out Sperm Wars. Natural selection happens on the microscopic level. Sperm wage battle against the sperm of other males that recently nailed a woman. The woman benefits because the sperm that win the battle will give the woman a son that has more effective sperm.

Ideally, our women do not have the sperm of more than one person inside them. If women choose to sleep with multiple men within a week or so, she can stage an invisible fitness battle in between her legs. (I think this explains why women might want to get gang banged even if they can only get pregnant once at a time.

[–]pk_atheist 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm going to reply to the original post with my thoughts, but I just wanted to add to what iggy wrote here.

Also, isn't hypergamy just an example of "the grass is always greener"?

This is kind of what hypergamy is in a sense, it's a biological urge that causes you to be attracted to the highest value male you have access to. Left unchecked, it means ruining relationships.

I think the best thing that a woman could do, understanding the red pill reality we live in, is if she really wants a long term relationship, then she should understand that commitment is not about her feelings at times (or his for that matter).

Commitment means sticking through the thick and thin of it. Understand that your biology, as a woman, will force you to stop feeling it if the right conditions are met. If you meet somebody new who makes your vagina tingle, it's almost guaranteed unfortunately.

My recommendation is to ignore these urges, and stick with it. Work on your relationship and avoid temptation. Sometimes feelings fade when that happens. I know when I meet girls I could easily bed, I sometimes start thinking about them a lot. I also know that there have been times when I wasn't feeling it that much with my girlfriend. But I was committed to the relationship and worked on it and made it work.

Now, understanding how women work, I realize this isn't a reality. It never will be. Being committed to a relationship is something men do, and women don't.

So, if you want to take the red pill to heart, heed this advice.

[–]iggybdawg -1 points0 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Being committed to a relationship is something men do, and women don't.

My wife is more committed to the relationship than me. However, what brought me to start studying game is that instead of going for higher status males when I failed shit tests, or didn't mate guard in public, or when I begged for sex, she simply became asexual. I had an exasperating 5 or so years of "why won't you fuck me?" "I don't know!" Perhaps she would have left me when the kids got older.

Now I'm on the bumpy road of killing my inner beta. If just a few months ago, you had told me I would be telling my wife she's wrong and why and banging her in the same day, I would have called you crazy, it's totally confusing to my natural nice guy tendencies. But now I can see that I need to keep her honest by refusing to let her be unreasonable, so that she can respect me enough to do me.

[–]uberafc 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Its terribly sad that the games never seem to end.

[–]themoor 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy Link

True that. I've been sleeping with women and/or having LTRs for over 25 years. Marriage was never in the cards. But in the last 2 years I've encountered the gaming community / manosphere. Learned some stuff, re-remembered other stuff I had done before.

But one thing that has stuck with me, something I had not really ever realized in all my years, is, yes, that fucking games never end with women. It's shit-tests all the way down.

I USED to believe that once you passed the initial shit-tests early in the dating game, she would eventually be her "normal" self and you didn't have to be on your toes 100% of the time watching out for her drama, her tests, her insecurities, her ridiculous standards, the way she accepts her emotional swings as actual knowledge, etc.

This has been the main Red Pill lesson I have learned. I have been pretty decent at hitting on women, bedding them, dating them.... but the insight these communities have giving me on the reality of constant testing has been eye-opening.

And from the male perspective, not only is it exasperating, but it really lowers the amount of esteem I have for women. The say that "confidence" in men is very attractive for women, but the root of women's shit-tests are their utter lack of confidence in themselves, or worse, they total lack of desire to cultivate it. They want to draw a man's confidence out and live under that umbrella of protection.

Thus, the have to CONSTANTLY test a man's confidence and congruence level.

For a man learning to navigate this world with independence and strength, women's behavior appears rather pathetic.

[–]pk_atheist 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The constant shit tests are basically because their hypergamous nature makes them not only seek out higher status males, but constantly re-evaluate current males to ensure they're up for the task.

They might not jump ship immediately after losing respect (perhaps waiting for another branch to grab), but by performing shit tests, it primes them emotionally to lose interest so when a higher status male comes along it's an easy jump. Rationalizations like "well I just don't feel it anymore so it must not have been right..." fill the gap where guilt would be.

This was one of the hardest pills for me to swallow. I linked this particular effect in the side bar. From RationalMale:

Peregrine John summed it up best on Jacquie’s blog comments recently:

We want to relax. We want to be open and honest. We want to have a safe haven in which struggle has no place, where we gain strength and rest instead of having it pulled from us. We want to stop being on guard all the time, and have a chance to simply be with someone who can understand our basic humanity without begrudging it. To stop fighting, to stop playing the game, just for a while.

We want to, so badly.

If we do, we soon are no longer able to.

There is no rest, there is no respite or reprieve from performing, but so strong is the desire for that unconditional love assurance that men thought it prudent to write it into “traditional” marriage vows – ‘for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love, cherish, and obey, forsaking all others until death do you part’ – in other words, a pledge of unconditional love in spite of all circumstance. Those vows are a direct plea for insurances against a female hypergamy that would otherwise be unfettered were it not made in the context of being before God and man.

https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/of-love-and-war/

Worth a read if you haven't.

[–]PatrickLatham 0 points1 point [recovered] [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

"The constant shit tests are basically because their hypergamous nature makes them not only seek out higher status males, but constantly re-evaluate current males to ensure they're up for the task."

You just blew my mind thanks man

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd just like to say that I, and probably many other here, really appreciate you being here and will always enjoy women understanding the truth.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good question.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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