Sexual Utopia in Power, F. Roger Devlin

quiet_wish · 2013-03-20T16:30:13+00:00

Guys why does it feel like both this and the feminist view looks entirely alien to me? Are you all Americans here? I am Hungarian, married, and the whole thing just doesn't work like this. How to put it... our attitudes are not so selfish. We don't even care that much about sex. We care a lot about not being lonely. We care a lot about having someone to trust, to rely on. We care a lot about building a stable family. I don't game my wife, and I can't imagine she would leave me for the divorce money or for a sexier man because she values stability, loyalty, normalcy so much, just like I do.

Why do you guys have a totally different life experience? It is as if everybody, men and women in America would be hell bent on getting all the exciting stuff in life, lots of sex, money, and all. Not valuing the stability of the home "hearthfire" ?

I mean this hypergamy thing just didn't really come into consideration for us. Or none of the stuff either PUAs or feminists talk about. She had enough of living a shitty life working on ships, living on them, having short liaisons with sailors, she wanted the normal life, live in a city, in an apartment, have a reliable guy, the kind that comes home with flowers and the kind she can gladly cook for, and then later kids. I wanted the same thing, I hardly care about sex, but I care about having a lovely person hug me when I come home from work. The whole sex, sex, sex is just not playing such a huge role.

Maybe because we are over 30.

luxury_banana · 2013-05-06T16:02:46+00:00

Devlin was really a pioneer in writing about these issues with the kind of non-selfcensored honesty he did.

Because the OP deleted the link, here are links to what I'd consider required Devlin reading:

Sexual Utopia In Power

Rotating Polyandry—and its Enforcers

The Feminine Sexual Counter-Revolution and its Limitations

pk_atheist · 2012-12-24T20:53:32+00:00

Titles like Get Rid of Him and Ditch That Jerk are found side-by-side Men Who Can’t Love: How to Spot a Commitmentphobic Man. In short, I demand loyalty from you, but you have no right to expect it of me. Many women seem sincerely unable to sense a contradiction here. Perhaps, as Schopenhauer thought, the female is not naturally provided with a sense of justice. Justice, is, after all, a virtue of leaders; it is of little use in nurturing children.

Great read, thanks for linking.

2012-12-24T20:59:28+00:00

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VZPurp · 2012-12-24T21:25:43+00:00

I was not aware of it. Thank you very much. There is a lot of wisdom in there.

However that may be, the modern woman clearly wants the benefits of a traditional marriage, but is unwilling to pay the costs; she wants a man to marry her without her having to marry the man. It is the eternal dream of irresponsible freedom: In the feminist formulation, freedom for women, responsibility for men.

r_rships_account · 2012-12-30T03:22:03+00:00

Also, Rotating Polyandry by the same author.