Red Pill TheoryMen, even TRP men, love women very much. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP VanguardWhisper

We don't talk about it because we live in a time and place that mistakes it for weakness. We don't even talk about it here because it's an instinct we often find ourselves having to suppress for our own good. But when /u/girlwriteswhat pointed out that if we didn't love women, there would be no anger phase, she absolutely right.

You are hardwired to be sympathetic to, and protective of women. Evolutionarily, that's what you are for. Keep the eggs safe. Ensure the next generation.

This is why there is an anger phase. This is why men have to come here and read motivational crap about not overvaluing bitches. Because it's easy to fall into that pattern.

You're all here, so you all know why you need to control it. We live in a culture that browbeats men into obeying women and fearing them, and this has been so successful that women now cannot tell the difference between healthy love, and spineless cowardice. We all know we have to clamp down on that instinct, and reserve that affection for the few women who are truly worthy of it, and have proven themselves so by earning it from us.

Once, our healthy instinct to protect was once in harmony with women's healthy instinct to respect men and obey male leadership. Why do you think feminists have to froth at the mouth so much about not being led or dominated by a man, ever? Because they are secretly tempted just like any sane woman, that's why.

Entire books could be written about why some women suddenly decided to wage war on their feminine instincts, and about why other women followed them, unawares, into that psychological desert. But regardless of why, that's where we are now, and we know we have to control the desire to see them smile.

The kind of love we need now is what used to be called "tough love"; not the love of a parent for a healthy, happy, well-adjusted child, but the love of a parent for the child whose heroin addiction is destroying the family.

"I cannot stop you from destroying yourself, but I will not allow you to take me or this family down with you. Next time you're in jail, use your phone to call someone else. Because I am done rescuing you."

Hide the protective instinct from women if you must, or admit it's there if you think you can do amused mastery well enough, but never deny its existence to yourself. Self-deception is not what we do here. This is why the anger phase is important. Pass through it and move on, but hold the memory of that anger, and of why you were angry, with you. Remember it when you need it to stiffen your spine.

And don't let your LTR turn you into a bitch.

[–]meet_me_at_high_noon 91 points92 points  (20 children)

So true. Karen pointed out that men arent angry at women per se. Were angry at the bullshit lie we've been fed. Not even bc its a lie. If someone lies and said my team won the game and I find out they did not I shrug. What the fuck do I care?

But if I build my life around this notion that if i work hard and am good to women they wont hurt me and I wont ever be alone, and that turns out to be a lie, that's dangerous man. That leads men to kill themselves.

Me and my best friend had this exact convo. My gf wants me to show more vulnerability and love. And I think she believes its what she wants. And I would love to bc I love her and want to make her happy. But he and I both know what happens if I stop dangling the carrot. Ill lose everything. Her respect, her love, my son. Everything.

But in my heart, I still love women. They'll never know though.

[–]Nicholas_ 56 points57 points  (18 children)

"My gf wants me to show more vulnerability and love. And I think she believes its what she wants"

The ultimate shit test, never fall for it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 33 points34 points  (17 children)

never fall for it.

Expect it. Most guys would never want to turn their girlfriends into dudes, but women, for some crazy reason, will attempt to turn their boyfriends into girlfriends. Any guy who doesn't resist that shit will pay the consequences.

[–]marty2k 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If a man can be made to act as a woman by his girlfriend, he was never a real man in the first place. That's the point of shit tests.

[–]babyfishm0uth 7 points8 points  (10 children)

I think a man can be loving and vulnerable in a measure that doesn't emasculate him. My husband is very loving, and I appreciate when he is open with me. It makes me want to be better. He is strong, secure and amazingly socially competent, so when he allows himself to be vulnerable with me it strengthens our reciprocal trust and commitment.

[–]sinfulmentos 8 points9 points  (6 children)

I would like to add that it is not the same for other girls. In fact, I think the issue may be that most girls fall in love with the "idea" of the guy, they end up loving what he is rather than who he is inside. You may be different, you may have matured and come to terms with the fact that your partner can have imperfections. Or nothing he has revealed to you has ruined your image of him to the degree where you lose attraction.

Let me tell you a story. Sally falls in love with Jake because at a first impression he came off as a confident, fit, intelligent, outgoing type of guy. He doesn't really love her at first but he grows to do so deeply and things go well. One day Jake gives in to his oneitis and spills his emotions and insecurities and vulnerabilities and all the stuff he bottled up because he had thought that's what you do in a serious, loving relationship, and that it would bring them closer. He did it because he trusted her, he trusted that she was someone who he could share this with. Jake was mistaken. Because after he did that, he shattered the perfect image of him that she had in her mind. He was no longer Jake on the pedestal, he was just a regular guy, sure he has these nice traits but he's weak and messed up on the inside. Subconsciously Sally lost respect for him, and it showed, as she began to shit test him more and more and more, and her demands became increasingly unreasonable. Sally then ended up getting attached to some other guy, and long story short that is the end of Sally and Jake. Jake learned that Sally never loved Jake for Jake, Sally loved Jake for what Jake was, Sally loved the idea of Jake.

Maybe its a thing with younger girls who still have this fairytale idea of romance in their head. But Jake won't be making that mistake again.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Maybe its a thing with younger girls who still have this fairytale idea of romance in their head.

Women's maturity is incredibly limited. (read here: http://c.feministvictims.com/9)

Women love you as much as they perceive you to be powerful, any appreciation for your depth or quirk of personality comes after that, and even then, that's not love, that's liking something you do, that's infatuation. If a woman does like your quirks, it's built on the foundation that you are powerful. If you lost your power, she wouldn't still love how you scratch the side of your head, or whatever. That was only a cute mannerism when you were powerful to her. Now you seem powerless, or less powerful than her, it's not cute, it's weird. Female perception changes very quickly based upon your power as a man.

This is the limitation of women's love, they lust for you from a position of inferiority. Women fawn, they don't love like we do. Their love is inferior to ours, that doesn't mean we can't enjoy their love, just be aware of it's extreme conditionality. They don't love downward, they love upward. The minute they feel superior to you, because you are weak, the pussy dries up, the lust dies, and they either "love you like a brother" and friend zone you or they don't give a shit at all anymore because your weakness repulses them. No point hating women for being like this, it's just how they're built. Men, on the other hand, are built to innately pedestalise women and will love them in spite of their flaws.

At the end of the day, women only love men they perceive to be superior and their love is entirely predicated on the hypergamy of lust. No women out there loves a man she perceives to be inferior to her, whether he objectively is, or isn't. I guess in that sense, it is possible for a woman to love a man inferior to her, but she has to at least believe in her own mind that he is superior for this loophole to be successful. Simple briffaults law and hypergamy at work there. Put that out there in case any of you thinks "I know an amazing women who is in love with a total slob." No matter what you see, in her head, she thinks he is better than her, that's why she sticks with him. It's the same with women who stay with guys who beat them and make excuses for the guy.

Also see this: http://illimitablemen.com/2015/06/01/the-hierarchy-of-love/

[–]GASTON_TONNERRECOQ 2 points2 points [recovered]

I guess in that sense, it is possible for a woman to love a man inferior to her, but she has to at least believe in her own mind that he is superior for this loophole to be successful.

This is why betas are so sad today. Inferior genetic material could work hard to be a provider and society gave that status and glory, which tricked women into a stable family unit. The patriarchy played on their social acceptance bias, just as religion plays on their magical thinking. I suppose PUA is the only trick left.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very astute observations.

[–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just became a security guard and the outfits look extremely similar to actual police and the respect and looks I get from women... it's night and day. I'm not even high status, but they perceive it. That's all that matters. Pretty powerful shit

[–]babyfishm0uth 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I know that my husband isn't perfect, but he's perfect for me :)

[–]sinfulmentos 3 points4 points  (0 children)

that's good I wish you two the best

[–]hirjd 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A joint bank account, marriage, marital assets, kids with a woman not from a country having no child support reciprocity, and him not taking a promotion and risking furlough because he'd have to uproot the family is him being vulnerable. He doesn't allow himself to be vulnerable. He IS vulnerable because he put himself out there for the family. He decided to be vulnerable after weighing the pros and cons. This is what vulnerable is to a man. It's not sniveling about senseless bullshit.

[–]RealRational 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When he does that though he isn't being "vulnerable". Men don't express emotions they don't fully understand and have completely processed.

Where as women express emotions in order to understand and process them, with the help of others.

That's the distinction.

When a man does it he's expressing a decision. When women do it they're processing the information, primarily emotionally.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Women have an agenda to capture and tame a wild stallion. If you don't resist, they'll soften you, turning you into their cuddle bitch and emotional tampon. Unless they're redpill enough to support your masculinity.

Sustaining sexual polarity isn't on the radar for most guys. They unintentionally slide into beta behaviors. When the tiger becomes the kitten, the bedroom dies and the relationship is doomed.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Living together is a risky step. How will you demote her if needed? She's tightening the screws slowly. Living together and keeping the sex open is awkward, but she's going to let YOU make the commitment to monogomy... Resist. Make her earn every step. Sliding into a LTR just because it's comfortable between you is exactly how I ended up with 5 kids.

[–]the_red_scimitar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I believe this is the exactly correct attitude. Love is something a man recognizes in himself, nods once about, maybe with a quiet grunt, and then goes on with what he was doing.

Showing affectionage love too routinely ends her tingles. There is never an exception to this rule, in a romantic relationship. But the effect of losing those tingles does vary, woman to woman, depending on her own relationship style and other attachment factors.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 217 points218 points  (32 children)

Help someone out once and they appreciate it. Help them out again and they come to expect it. Keep helping them out and they will come to demand it.

That is where I see women with men now. We have sacrificed so much for so long for them that they now demand it with no appreciation. In order to fix the problem we need to fight those impulses to love women like we do and instead withhold until appreciation comes again.

[–]the_red_scimitar 13 points14 points  (0 children)

In my LTPs (Long Term Plates), I tend to break up patterns of entitlement they may form because I've been nice. If I notice anything but pure appreciation for those things, I immediately throttle it back hard.

I enjoy cooking, so I may make dinner a few times. Woe befalls she who asks "what's for dinner", because it has and will be met with, "whatever you're making". And this works, but you have to be sensitive to whether they are thankful or starting to feel a routine.

Bottom line is this: don't avoid doing what you yourself might like, that would benefit a plate, just keep it mixed in with enough random failures of "the pattern" so it can never be counted on.

Or, fuck it - do it if you want, next them if they are disrespectful. You optimize the relationships for yourself.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (30 children)

you and the OP are mistaken. it's a mistake that shows up here a lot

TRP mentality isn't some MRA shit. It's not a social movement like feminism. It's not going to change anything big or shit like that.

It's strictly a way, the proper way, that you are meant to think and act to get you the best results in life and with women. If you're here to reform women, or other men, you're wasting your time.

By the time you're done with the girl, she'll half-fondly think of you as the asshole who made her do some nasty shit (raped her, because she let her inner freak out and you didn't put a ring on it).

Because I am done rescuing you.

if you are doing anything right, you should have never been there to 'rescue' her in the first place.

i dont know why so many people in this sub apply some of the concepts in this new whiteknightish method that they think will work??

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 44 points45 points  (11 children)

TRP is a form of leadership development. You get your shit together and, if you so choose, help others to do the same.

You can keep fucking raw clay if you want. But incorporate some molding and you'll have a better woman, a sustainable relationship.

It might sound faggish to say men are the container and women the water, but I believe it has merit.

[–]The_Americano 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Show them the type of man you are and they'll show you the type of woman they can be.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It might sound faggish to say men are the container and women the water, but I believe it has merit.

I've always been under the impression that women are the container and men are the tap which spills the liquid to fill that container.

Usually you have to empty the container and pour out some or all of the old, stale and poisonous liquid that was put in there by several idiots beforehand though, to make place for some quality stuff.

[–]holzy444 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Women will change to fit different men. She's never let you do anal but she did crazy shit in college.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 11 points12 points  (9 children)

I just knew some puppy was going to come in here and yip that this was "white knight bullshit" and about how he was stronk, like bull.

Maybe he'd even try to tell me what the red pill "is".

Son, the reason we called it by a metaphor from a dumbass science fiction movie is that it was an apt picture of the transformative experience of opening your eyes and seeing what's there.

Now, you may find the idea that you're hardwired to take care of women unpalatable. That doesn't make it any less true. And of course we have to suppress that programming. That's what this shit is all about. If you'd read instead of skimming, you'd have seen that.

The way to control something is not, however, to pretend it doesn't exist. We invented another metaphor for that kind of thing.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Now, you may find the idea that you're hardwired to take care of women unpalatable. That doesn't make it any less true. And of course we have to suppress that programming. That's what this shit is all about. If you'd read instead of skimming, you'd have seen that.

Bang on the money.

See this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%80%9CWomen_are_wonderful%E2%80%9D_effect

Saw a brilliant video by Stefan Molyneux, eggs are rare, and have always been the reproductive bottleneck, so basically, evolution has selected us to give women free passes and not hold them accountable, because if we didn't please them, they would not breed and then we'd all die out. (That's the crude explanation)

Of course if a society were desperate to reproduce, whilst women would not collectively put out without getting their own way (you know the term "emotional terrorist" right?,) the only alternative available to ensure that society survived would be to rape all the women to ensure the next generation was born. Now before you lose your shit, bear with me.

I'm sure cavemen would rape women who were not cooperative, they didn't give a shit. In fact, rape is common in the animal kingdom. But as civilization has progressed and developed, we have mutated more intelligence and begun to develop more complex sets of ethics, rape has become immoral, and thus untenable as a valid reproduction strategy. We're at a point where most men rather go extinct than endorse rape for the society to survive. Men would rather pander to women to get them to open their legs and reproduce rather than rape them to ensure society survived.

It would thus stand to reason that since the dawn of civilization (the earliest being the sumerians recorded around 7,000 years ago) that we've had around 7,000 years of natural selection saying "must appease women, otherwise women won't mate." Where there has been a conflict between the desire to reproduce, and the morality surrounding reproduction, particularly rape. Women's power in society has always been in the fact that women are responsible for giving life. Many would argue it's their sole purpose, their whole reason for existing. It's a powerful position to occupy. If women as a collective went on strike, civilization would be fucked.

So if rape is off the table, and the woman are hormonally bat shit crazy and despite their need to reproduce, are determined not to "until they get the respect they deserve" and the men keep caving because they're horny, eventually you naturally select for guys who will simply give women a free pass to get laid. White knighting is part of everyone's genetics. You can't escape that shit. You have to suppress it, which of course, can be done via an awareness of the instinct and rationally deconstructing it. Of course, the current feminist brainwashing tries to play on this male instinct and use it to create absolute pussies out of men by exacerbating the instinct to a point where a man has no identity outside of said instinct.

Of course, it is this instinct inherent of man that makes the idea of patriarchy holding women down incredibly difficult to believe. Conflating gender roles thought to be conducive to society with "hating women and locking them in kitchens" is disingenuous feminist bullshit. Men love women, men see women as being something better than they really are, they're fucking hardwired to provide for and protect women. How the fuck could they all come together to hold women down when such instincts are so ubquitous? A likely fucking story if I ever heard one.

If you want to know more about the theory of rape vs white knighting as a sexual strategy check out Stefan Molyneux's "The Biology of White Knighting" here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eZ1gZ3MbaY

Rather ironically, women fantasise about being raped and I bet a lot of men fantasise about raping women too. That's not even a pandora's box I'm going to try and reconcile with the rest of what I've said here for now.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 4 points5 points  (2 children)

After watching Stefan talk to the guest, I'm finally understanding why women despise aiding men to be more 'alpha'. Not only are they not natural in her eyes, it takes waaay to long for them to create the transformation. It simply isn't a a good investment of their time during their short SMV peak. Much easier to just ditch him and find someone better.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah, hypergamy doesn't care. Women don't help you win, they support guys who could win without them anyway.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Women sit on the sidelines of the many marathons of this journey we call life, then piggyback ride on the first 20% of the winners.

Lately however, society has placed women in the same race as men, but gave them roller blades in the form of gender quotas and slashed many of the legs of the male racers in the form of intentional emasculation in the school system and media. They then fly by these men on their rollerblades wondering, "where have all the fast runners gone?"

If you take their rollerblades away from them, they'll just say, "well I 'ran' my marathon in 2.5 hrs last time, why can't I find a man who ran it faster? Is that so hard to ask?"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

a dumbass science fiction movie

But..I like that movie Q_Q

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I disliked the first one, and liked the second two.


[–]magus678 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Some people actually have a desire to try to leave the world better than they found it. You stand in a world created by ancestors with the same basic idea. You are welcome.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 14 points15 points  (1 child)

try to leave the world better than they found it.

And try to leave a woman better, a home better, a business better, etc. Stewardship is a positive male trait that once served our communities well, but now gets a man exploited and accused of patriarchal shitlording... I for one, just bow out of leading others and focus on winning for myself.

[–]the_red_scimitar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Leaving them "better" is only possible when they can accept self-improvement. Many are so stuck in their "empowered" roles, and so living in the echo chamber about that, that at best, you are going to shake their certainty. And that is improvement, even if it is only realized down the line (if at all).

[–]momomotorboat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think OP was using the word 'rescuing' in the context of the tough love quote, not as his personal purview.

Nor do I think OP was trying to advocate reforming anyone. He was speaking to the observation that we may have an innate/instinctual urge to help and to care for others. To pretend it doesn't exist would be counter productive. Instead, understand it and don't let it be a weakness.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

in his reply apparently he meant both, which speaks to his inner beta

[–]RedHeimdall 19 points20 points  (0 children)

You are hardwired to be sympathetic to, and protective of women

Definitely... it ain't just Disney that makes us want to be a knight in shining armor for a damsel in distress. As you say though, given the environment of the modern world, when I feel this inclination I have to stop and ask myself a few questions: Does she really deserve it? Will she appreciate it? Will I be rewarded or punished for this? After pondering these for a moment or two I usually abandon any thoughts of white knightery.

[–]goose7167 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I'm recently coming out of the anger phase and discovering this sense of clarity. I was one who lost sight of what I am truly suppose to care about which is the well-being of myself. I was more concerned about how other people felt rather than my own personal feelings. It wasn't until the girl I invested myself in walked out of my life that I realized how far gone I was. I realized how weak I was. I did not have a sense of who I was, what I was living for, and my purpose for it.

I read the book The Alchemist about a year or so ago. Reading that book changed my perspective greatly on what my life use to be and what I wanted to become. Shortly after reading the book, I discovered TRP. Everything started falling into place from there. I invested more time into myself and listened to my feelings that were once censored from me. I became angry about this. I was angry at myself for letting myself down and for becoming this blob of virtual "spinless cowardice" as /u/Whisper has stated above. I had a heart to heart with myself promising I would share my love with only those who truly deserved it and those that contributed to my life rather than them taking away from it. I still care about people as it is in my nature; however, I come first before anyone else. At the end of the day, we have ourselves to live with.

TL;DR: Clarity ensues after my anger phase. TRP is not about learning to pickup women or whatever other term is used. The most valuable person in my life is myself.

[–]mryddlin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well said, and TRP framework for a lot of us is explaining why and how our own behaviors affect our lives.

The larger meta social order battles are a factual of the smaller, personal battles going on.

The way to be successful is the focus on improving ourselves, the other items will fall into place when you are at peace with ones own nature.

[–]Solomonceed 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You know it's a quality post, when you want to disagree vehemently after reading the title, but find yourself not only agreeing, but learning after reading the post.

[–]renegade 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Our society is kind of weird about gender roles when it comes to sex and emotion. 'Machisimo' exists because men feel emotion more deeply. Little boys and girls make this obvious, little boys are annoying whiners so we push them to toughen them up because it is so fucking annoying.

TRP at its heart recognizes that there are real gender differences in how we are wired. They are not absolutes of course; everything and everyone exists on a spectrum. On average though this is the case, and men getting angry about women being women is kind of silly, and the anger phase happens because our culture lies to us about what our natures are and the wake up call is very unpleasant, and we strike out. Unfortunately we strike out at the wrong target and blame women as a whole, which is stupid if you stop and think a little about how we got there.

You get a lot farther in life by accepting the vast array of positions and flavors of people, and instead focusing on yourself and the people who are directly connected to you.

TRP is like religion in this way; if you spout on about it you are just going to annoy the fuck out of people. But if you live it and model it people will appreciate how you affect the slice of the world they live in.

And if you are lucky enough to find a mate who fits you well you should cherish that and do your damned 'job'. My SO once said to me as I was leaned over her on the couch "I feel like the ceiling could come down on us and you'd protect me from it". Be her roof, let her be your soft place to land. Share your hearts. There is nothing better in life if you can find it and protect it.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Feminists love to use the word "angry" rather than "frustrated", because the latter promotes empathy towards men, rather than the former which places the blame entirely on them. "You're just a bitter, woman-hating virgin" works really well, because who has sympathy for a hate-filled, bitter person?

Another TRP'er said it very cleverly; "I wish someone would hate me to the point of giving me what I'm looking for to be with me"

[–]magus678 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I have some bias in this, but I believe a "feminizing" of words/expression/writing is partly to blame for the situation we are in politically.

We allow conversations to be framed for us in certain ways, and those that are in the know about how to use language see this for what it is: manipulation. Those who don't know (most people) have their thoughts put on rails to follow the narrative that is poured into their ear.

Meanwhile, many men are content (even shamed into!) being inexpressive and static, only showing emotion when watching football. We cede ground without even realizing it.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women effect change through words, and not action. Historically it could only have been that way; women are physically weaker than men. That's why women are innately Machiavellian, they've evolved to know how to use language to derive power.

[–]Pancakes1 11 points12 points  (1 child)

This is a beautiful paragraph from Nikolai Tesla, one of the greatest minds to ever have lived.

"The world has experienced many tragedies, but to my mind the greatest tragedy of all is the present economic condition wherein women strive against men, and in many cases actually succeed in usurping their places in the professions and in industry. This growing tendency of women to overshadow the masculine is a sign of a deteriorating civilization.

"Practically all the great achievements of man until now have been inspired by his love and devotion to woman. Man has aspired to great things because some woman believed in him, because he wished to command her admiration and respect. For these reasons he has fought for her and risked his life and his all for her time and time again."

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

And don't let your LTR turn you into a bitch.

Something that cannot be understated.

My last LTR failed for many reasons, but this is the most obvious one. When we met, I was a no bullshit sort of guy. I'd been familiar with TRP before, and I was a highly motivated guy. I made it clear from day one that the mission came before her. Making the best grades I could at University was the mission. She understood and LOVED how dedicated I was.

I got soft and I gave into the temptation of putting her and her desires before the mission. Attraction and respect instantly gone. Never forget to make it clear that you are the captain of the ship. You know how to best navigate the course, and your leadership will not be called into question or swayed. And trust me, she's going to try to make you question yourself. Hold that frame.

[–]Billybob25112 24 points25 points  (1 child)

The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indiference. If the feelings of hate one feels towards women are strong enough to make a man write an entire book regarding how stupid, idiotic, moronic and fucked up women are, as often happens here, you can imagine how strong his feelings of love were.

[–]Black-Pill 52 points53 points  (7 children)

I will readily admit that I have Loved several women very deeply (as a Man defines Love). I love the Idea and Company of Women.

The proviso being that I don't Trust them, or rather, I only Trust them to be what they really are rather than what I would like them to be.

[–]MMZephyr 26 points27 points  (4 children)

You capitalize seemingly random words.

[–]brmpbrmp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

im guessing hes writing with andriod predictive texting. my phone does the same thing

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[–]1003rp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Instead of capitalizing the first letter, try bolding or italicizing the important portions to make them stick out more.

[–]antihostile 8 points9 points  (1 child)

You can't trust women, but you can always trust women to be women.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (1 child)

I have a love/hate relationship with TRP and have been a lurker for a while, but you don't know how unbelievably comforting it is to hear that there are men out there that feel this way.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Obviously everyone is in TRP for their own reasons. But no one can deny there's deep beyond some good reasoning behind most points. If many people feel in a certain way, there must be something in common with them all.

While everyone is here for different things, I think learning to understand how they feel about certain social behaviors is common in all of us. In this, TRP is amazing because everyone can take some positive things every once in a while.

I understand why you feel sometimes "hate" for some points of view, but remember, it's just an opinion, you don't have to agree with it. Just learn to take the good things and also learn what not to do or become from the bad ones and make your own phillosophy.

[–]Chaohinon 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I'll readily admit that my presence here carries a sort of sad irony, I'm sort of a self hating TRPer who otherwise subscribes to typically left wing values. But after letting myself get burned over and over again, I'm stuck either pretending I don't feel what I feel or continuing to bash my head against a brick wall. It sucks and I wish it didn't have to be this way, but it is what it is.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Stage four is depression. Your despair is not any more bottomless than your anger was.

Here's a little something for you, to help you get through.

  • Women are not some sort of honorless, broken, malformed human being that falls apart and misbehaves unless constantly managed.
  • Women are a perfectly functional sort of creature which is designed (evolved) to need leadership.

Did I just say the same thing twice? Almost, but the difference is your attitude. If you stop viewing the need for leadership as a defect, the problem goes away. Women need male leadership like they need oxygen, food, or shelter.

The reason you find this unpalatable is that you have absorbed a basic-level leftist misconception, the one that most other leftist misconceptions are based on.

"Power/Hierarchy => Exploitation".

This is a lie.

And this lie has caused leftists to try to build a society where no one has power over anyone else, where everyone's power is absolutely "equal". Which of course leads to disaster, because it's impossible, and even to the extent it can be achieved, it ruins working social mechanisms.

Women are supposed to be led and ruled by men. This is built into human biology. This is why we have a powerful protective instinct towards them in the first place. It evolved for a purpose, and that purpose was to prevent men from hurting women because we had power over them. If that power wasn't part of the natural, healthy human social system, we wouldn't need to have that.

Once you accept that 'The Patriarchy' is good, right, and natural, and not a system of exploitation at all, your despair at what you have to do to get women's love and desire will go away, because you'll realize that it's what you're supposed to do.

This is not to say that today's women aren't broken. Of course they are. They grew up without a patriarchy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had been burned bad once and it was also the best thing that happened to me in this area. I decided it would never happen again. It's one of those blessing-in-disguise sort of things. I came out of the situation even stronger. Sucked at the time but I'm glad it happened. You know the old saying about that which does not kill me makes me stronger?

Turn that self-hate into positive energy and use it to motivate yourself to become the best version of you possible. You can't change female nature...you just have to accept that it is what it is. The sooner you do the sooner you can get on to amused mastery.

Trying to make reality fit your old BP thinking is like swimming against the current. You see the ahole jerks treating women like crap and like they are only c-m dumpsters and f-cktoys and yet those guys have amazing success. You think to yourself, "That's not right. That's not me. That's not who I am. I'm better than those guys." And you go back to being single, hating women for being so gullible as to fall for the jerk-type ahole routine over and over, and you want them to come to their senses and see what a great guy you are. Ain't gonna happen. Ever.

Ever since my awakening it always seemed like doing the opposite of what made sense actually worked.

Stick in there. You found TRP for a reason. I think we've all been through the same stages.

[–]abdada 11 points12 points  (0 children)

TRP "misogynist" for nearly 3 decades of dating here.

I have always loved my partners and plates. Always. Deep love a leader has, the kind that still warms me just remembering past relationships.

I respect a woman who is a woman. If she acts like a man, she isn't something I am capable of loving.

[–]processedfoodkills 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A good point to add is that a man's love can be unconditional, which is fundementally different than the way a woman loves a man. We have the capability to love regardless of feelings or changes to our environment. We can love a woman out of the deepest reaches of our being. We must be disciplined enough to only show this in appropriate situations, i.e. comfort/loyalty tests. Any other time and she will lose respect for us, and with it her love.

The same cannot be said for a woman. She can love her children unconditionally, but the best kind of love she can have for you is,"I feel like I love you." It is fickle. It can change at any time. This is why if you want a LTR (let alone marriage) you must be on top of your game every second of every day with her. It has to become natural and effortless from you. Otherwise you will eventually cave from the stress. At first this is somewhat depressing and angering to come to grips with (cue stage 2 of TRP), especially after feminine conditioning would have you believing otherwise.

[–]Aspiring_Hobo 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Speak for yourself. I hate women, but not in the bitter "Oh they're so terrible" way some guys on here do. I just hate what they put guys through to get pussy. Other than that I feel more annoyance toward women than vitriol.

[–]babyfishm0uth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think that's the reason we need TRP. If men didn't jump through hoops to get laid, women wouldn't expect them to.

[–]Aspiring_Hobo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right in the sense that women's entire power structure comes from what men allow them to do, and men only allow women to do shit because we want to fuck them. But once guys understand that pussy is plentiful, and that we're better than women, it's not a chore dealing with them anymore.

Many guys in relationships get like this. Their girlfriend/wife uses her pussy for leverage (because that's all women have to use against us) and they just go along with it because they want to fuck. I say just jerk off if you have to. Once you get over the feeling that jerking off is being defeated or being less of a man then you'll take away her power.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I'm not here for women. I'm here for myself. I want to feel ambition again. I want to be physically strong. I want to regain my self-respect and the respect of my peers.

I could care less if I ever fuck another woman in my life. I could care less if any of them ever love me. Those just aren't my goals.

Maybe my mind will change when I've finally become the person I've always wanted to be. If it does then that will be a decision I make later on, however it's not what motivates me now.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Great post. What happens to posts like this when this subreddit gets deleted? Is this archived somewhere? I've seen some kind of archiving thing when people link stuff. How does that work? Is everything automatically archived or are people archiving it every time they want to link it?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's being archived at puerarchy.com.

If you want to, you can archive for yourself using a very crude PHP-script I hacked together in half an hour or so. It will grab the 700 or so of the top self.-posts both as HTML and JSON.

You need a webserver with PHP running though.



        $count = 1000;
        $after = "";
        $json = "";
        $url = "";
        $raw = "";

        $i = 0;

        while($i < $count) {
            $url = "http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/top/.json?sort=top&t=all&after=".$after;

            $raw = file_get_contents($url);
            $json = json_decode($raw);

            $after = $json->data->after;
            $posts = $json->data->children;

            foreach($posts as $p) {
                if($p->data->domain != "self.TheRedPill") {
                $time = $p->data->created;
                $id = $p->data->id;
                $link_flair_text = $p->data->link_flair_text;

                if ($link_flair_text === null) {
                    $link_flair_text = "Not flaired";

                if (!file_exists($link_flair_text)) {
                    mkdir($link_flair_text, 0777, true);

                mkdir("JSON", 0777, true);

                $pJSON = readPostJSON($p);
                file_put_contents("JSON/".$time."_".$id.".json", $pJSON);

                $pHTML = readPostHTML($p);
                file_put_contents($link_flair_text."/".$time."_".$id.".html", $pHTML);
                file_put_contents($link_flair_text."/".$time."_".$id.".txt", $p->data->selftext);

                $html = "<li><a href=""".$link_flair_text."/".$time."_".$id.".html"">".$p->data->title."</a></li>
                file_put_contents("index.html", $html, FILE_APPEND);

            $i += 25;

        function readPostJSON($p) {
                $url = $p->data->url;
                $raw = file_get_contents($url.".json");

        function readPostHTML($p) {
                $url = $p->data->url;
                $raw = file_get_contents($url);


[–]boredgod 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Everything's on archive(dot)is. I think there's a separate backup method through TRP's non-Reddit site, Purearchy.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Thanks. Does that mean that the archive(dot)is stuff gets deleted when the sub gets deleted?

[–]boredgod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't think so, but I'm not sure.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No, because it's a file stored on a separate server. If a file on your computer is deleted, your Instagram upload doesn't disappear right?

You can also download the compressed archived file to your computer. Inside is a .html file.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't use Instagram, but thanks for explaining it.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (8 children)

I will never tell another woman that I love her again. I will restrict that feeling in my head to the point that I stay disconnected from them.

Yes it's a defense mechanism, and after you've had females falsely accuse you, take everything you earn from you, and get rewarded for being cheating, lying cunts, you'll learn too. I withhold commitment entirely, because none who have had it deserved it, and I paid dearly for it.

I am still very capable of loving anyone, but I will not allow it again. I'd rather stay out of jail, not be forced to pay for shit that doesn't benefit me at all, and this way the girls all want me far more than I want them. It's not fear, it's common sense.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (7 children)

My happiest relationships with women have been when I have a FWB arrangement with them.

With LTR... the more commitment I've shown, the worse I've been treated. Even with the same girl. Show more commitment, get more shitty behaviour.

The formula is simple, the inference obvious, what to do about it crystal clear.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

How the f do you arrange fwb?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Know that your realistic chances of arranging a FWB with a girl who likes you and is available is about 50%. That means half are prepared to give it a shot at least. And you must be prepared to let half of them go immediately.

Commit to living this lifestyle and be prepared to say "fair enough, it's been fun" to any that won't go along with it. They WILL call your bluff. The firmer, nicer and less needy you are about this the more likely it is to work. They are quite likely to change their mind after walking away from your happy smile.

Do not mention commitment unless she insists. Meet her once a week max. Very very little texting and contact outside this. Daily contact = girlfriend/boyfriend. Text to meet up. Phone as an occasional treat. Keep it fresh, keep it unpredictable. Don't get sucked into validating her facebook, phone, email, voicemail, etc. If it starts to go that way, simply push for a proper meetup and don't do the other shit.

If she gets girlfriendy, make it clear you're fucking other girls and this is non negotiable. (This is MOST important for your first FWB because it's too easy to slide into gf/bf with your first. When you have three you're seeing, you'll find it very easy to be reluctant to give up that life for one girl).

Women honestly vary so much. Some are "don't see, don't tell, I don't wanna hear about it" with your other women. Some want to know about roughly what else is going on. Some want graphic details of what a player you are before hot sex.

Don't do bf things - ideally it's a meal and a video and a sex romp. Def no flowers, chocolates, gifts. Meals out are dicey - don't pay it all. NO PROVIDER BEHAVIOUR. This will trigger bf/gf feelings and then she'll get butthurt you aren't exclusive to her and it will all blow up.

Women will get attached and will bitch at you sooner or later. Your frame is "we like each other, we have sex, we're also really great friends" (do NOTHING friendy for her - no lifts, money, help, ANYTHING AT ALL. Hanging out pre-sex. Sex must happen at least 50% and ideally >90% of the time. If not, simply only set up dates that end up in bed, eg dinner or movie at your place or hers).

Basically... other than that... there isn't much to "arrange". It just happens, you're a high status attractive male, of course you see other women, and of course she's free to do the same (she will a bit, though not much typically if she's sexually gratified).

I've done this with married women (in one case happily and she's openly poly, in one case end of marriage having fun and exploring her options, in one case in a marriage that's financially suitable but emotionally/sexually unsatisfying, the poor BB.) And with single women (but they're more difficult, as often looking for "the one" and more apt to get confused).

Most importantly... you want to keep the emotional involvement low, keep your investment low, be happy for her to walk away at any opportunity, AVOID TEH CRAZY.

Did this in my 30's with a shit haircut, crap clothes, overweight, no muscles and no job half the time and they paid half on all dates, hotels, etc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Cool! Bonus question: where the fff do you get these women? Literally, where do I go and what do I do to encounter women who'd qualify for potential fwb?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Some have been from online (chat forum things), some have been on the edges of my social circle (ie friend of a friend). I've not done anything special, just gone through the standard steps of getting to know them, physically escalating, no beta supplication, no rush. It just happens. Weirdly you gotta try to make it happen, but when it happens you don't have to try. But if you never try it never happens. It's fucking weird like that. Put lots of effort in, but don't try to force any particular result if that makes sense.

Socially is the easiest by far - they make it super easy if they're interested, and if they are interested they don't always expect a relationship straight away. Always look good, dress well, smell good. Be playful, have fun, be social. Err on the side of loud, outrageous, interesting, emotionally involving. Without being that guy. Have fun with the guys, don't try and alpha them or anything weird like that. Women like the most alpha guy, but if you're overtly bickering you all just look fucking dumb.

Talk to them, don't treat them special. Don't take any shit - laugh it off. Be selfish. Don't be obedient, don't stare, don't chase, don't supplicate, don't be needy. Do introduce yourself boldly, talk to them, physically escalate a bit (ie touch). Ride through any shit tests like they don't exist. Walk away, walk back, walk away. Pay attention to indicators of interest but don't take them too seriously.

Don't compliment much. Sex is a subtext in public areas.

They want the popular guy and they'll work for it. Most of what makes you popular makes you directly attractive, but the popularity is a really helpful step because women have a herd mentality and follow each other's (subtle) recommendation.

Damn, info overload again, sorry.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey this is really good stuff! Very succinct and to the point. Thanks a lot for sharing your experience!

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We're on the same page, my life is for me to enjoy. Fuck supporting them.

[–]NoNotoriety 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Maybe I'm a bad person but my problem with love is I can never trust a woman. I've seen so many women cheat before and I've cheated on women I've loved myself. I can't trust them because I could never fully trust myself.

It's true what Bill burr says, you might not cheat if the opportunity doesn't present itself, but deep down you know if there was a young hot girl flirting and craving you, you wouldn't think twice. Emotions and biology are contradictory at times.

If my hormones can override my common sense, why cant it for my woman?

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (8 children)

I stopped myself every time from cheating or allowing a woman to cheat to be with me. Period.

When a woman cheats on me she's dead to me. I want to wish her right out of existence for that. The only solution for me is never ever another relationship. I will not be angry, hurt, depressed or feel anything. Women have proven unworthy. They are good for one thing: I will use them for that. My last long-term relationship was over in 2002 and I hope to have no more ever again.

[–]donit -1 points0 points  (7 children)

When you say women are unworthy, I think you're judging them with a man's scale, and so you're saying women are unworthy as men.

But they aren't men, and so they're not supposed to treat you like a male friend. Women have specific roles, and apparently, testing you and giving you a hard time is part of that role. Pushing you with unreasonable requests is part of that role.

So, their bad behavior is not because they are lesser, unworthy people. It's designed around their roles, which is to screen for a man who can handle the pressures of life, and then help him do that. But help and serve aren't always the same. When Mike Tyson fired his trainer and replaced him with one who was more subservient, one who was nice to him all the time, he began losing fights as a result, and never recovered back to that level.

So, since being nice to you all the time isn't going to help you win, evolution didn't put that trait into women.

Their job isn't to be our friend. Their job is to build a family that's going to win, and then do whatever it takes to help their family win.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (6 children)

The man's scale is the only scale.

There is no 2nd scale "just for women" because that concept is suicidally stupid.

Women act so unworthy that I feel I'd be cutting my neck open by letting them near by any standard but my own. I may as well murder myself for fun.

NO thanks.

A few will be worthy of sex and many will not. Almost none on Earth will be worthy of being a wife.

It's designed around their roles, which is to screen for a man who can handle the pressures of life

NO. It is designed to kill a man where he stands for all he's worth due to bad upbringing by a broken society today. These are biological urges to take combined with social engineering of the day in many nations.

Women like this are toxic and must be kept away at all times. They are so dangerous even sex means a high chance of a false-rape charge and thus being put to death by police, or beat near to death.

Evolution DID put the trait into women to ACT NICE and pretty. Absolutely. It just combined it with the trait of using dishonesty. Here is how you fix it:

step 1: have a daughter

step 2: teach her to spot lies, do not let her go on in life unable to tell

step 3: teach her not to lie. If she does PUNISH HER severely until it stops. Camouflage self-defense to escape danger for good is fine - like pretending you have no money to a robber so you're left alone and being GOOD at it

step 4: teach that daughter that cheating is always wrong just like stealing, stabbing and other wrong things

step 5: that's it. If you do this by age 6 this woman WILL NOT BE AN EXPLOITER.

The only chance ever to make a good woman is to do so as a good father before that girl turns age 6.

Their job isn't to be our friend


If she can't do that she can't do the other jobs like wife, mother or anything else. This is a requirement at all times. A friend can be trusted. A friend will help. A woman who can't be trusted or help is unfit to touch my child or to do anything in my house when I'm not there ever. That is literally the only way you can build a family. The only alternative is to ensure a woman is a birthing machine you throw aside as soon as the baby's out and she never returns.

[–]donit -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

The man's scale is the only scale.

But that means you're saying there's no gender. Humans are split into two different genders. They are different because they are supposed to be different. They are not going to match up on any scale, whether it is weight, height, intelligence, or anything else. It's like comparing an apple to an orange. Any attempt to compare them is disregarding their gender, and their intentional evolutionary differences.

TRP is the realization that we are different genders, and so we have to treat them differently than we treat other men because of those differences, and because that's what they require because of those differences.

They're not men, so calling them sucky men is like calling them sucky body-guards. You're holding them to a standard that doesn't exist, and is outside of their role.

So, your daughter's job is to screen for a man who can handle tons of requests, and shoot most of them down. How does she screen for that? By doing it herself, pushing him as far as she can and seeing if he is able to handle it. If he can handle her, he can handle the people in the village.

Women are designed to deal with caveman and medieval situations, not modern life, so if their methods seem harsh or unnecessary, it's because they're geared toward a different kind of world. This is where cheating comes in. Something that used to be necessary in ancient times, seems so uncaring and evil in a modern marriage. That's because before, it was something she desperately needed to do in order to save her life.

Now, while cheating is completely unnecessary, a woman's programing doesn't know that, and so she is still hair-trigger ready to do it if she detects that her husband has deteriorated into wussdom to the point where, if it were in ancient times, her life would have been in jeopardy if she stayed with him.

In current society, if her husband becomes a little too agreeable or too much of a people-pleaser, it's okay and he's still a good route for survival. But her programming doesn't know that, and so she will throw away a perfectly good marriage just like that, because in ancient times, it would have a horrible marriage and a death sentence for her and her kids if she had stayed.

So, then after your daughter is married, she needs to make sure her husband can still handle himself, and handle multiple requests of people trying to walk all over him and get him to do stuff for them, and so she will continue giving him a hard time to keep him in tip-top condition, and to make sure he is still able to do it.

Just like with Mike Tyson's trainer, the men who have wives that keep them tough are going to always beat the men who don't, because they're always going to be in better condition.

She considers his being able to handle himself more important than any other trait, because she knows if he ever becomes a wuss and a push-over, it will mean death for her family and her children, and cause them to be at the bottom rung of society.

So, she is programmed to continually test him and make sure he's still got it, and if he ever shows that he has fallen and continually fails the test over and over, she is programmed to lose attraction to him because he is no longer a good route for her and the children.

She knows if she stays with a man like that, it will mean death (extremely reduced odds of survival) so she is programmed to lose her attraction to him and redirect it to someone else, someone who can put her back on track to a healthy route for survival.

This is a case where cheating is good, because it draws her away from the bad route. If your daughter doesn't cheat in a situation like that and try to get out of it, then it's the end of the line for you.

We're the ones whose great-great grandmas did cheat in that type of situation, and they saved our asses in the process. The ones who didn't, didn't make it.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (4 children)

No, I'm saying the women's scale is to be treated as lies, garbage or nonsense, so only ours count.

They are not going to match up on any scale, whether it is weight, height, intelligence, or anything else.

They will and do. About 2% will and they are worthy.

The rest should be dismissed as subhuman. Women can do the intellectual and moral things men do: they simply frequently choose to do the wrong thing and try to get away with it. Just like men we should punish this severely until less women do this.

In societies around the world which do not let women get away with shit less women act this way. ALMOST NONE. They know when starvation, homelessness, jail or the death penalty follows from cheating or kidnapping the kids, she will not do it, or she will be scared for her very short life for doing so.

We're the ones whose great-great grandmas did cheat in that type of situation, and they saved our asses in the process. The ones who didn't, didn't make it.

Bullshit of the highest degree. The ones who cheated 3 generations and more ago were tossed to the wolves to starve and had no means to survive because the trust of a man who worked and brought home the food was key to survival. Betray that trust and that woman will die with an empty stomach and no home. As it should be.

[–]donit -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Women fell short of your expectations, that is true. But it was the expectations instilled in you that were wrong. Women of today are damaged goods because they were culturally raised to be the opposite of their natural alignment. So, what we have now is utter confusion. They don't know how to behave or how to be, and so the result is just a mess. But it's not their fault, it's how they were raised.

If you had a daughter, and she married a man, and then over time he went through some tough times, people pressuring him and slowly turned him into a wuss who gets taken advantage of by everyone and their neighbor, and so he wound up at the bottom rung of employment, and ended up working as as a servant who always does what he is told,

You would not want your daughter to lose attraction to him and move on to a guy who is much more socially-adept and a go-getter and have his kids instead? Not moving on would be cheating, cheating herself and her children out of survival.

Do you think your grandchildren would have a fighting chance at survival being kids of the wuss instead of the go-getter?

There's no honor in losing. There's no honor in not surviving. People hate a loser will spit on his grave with derogatory comments, and they always honor, love and respect the winner.

I think you're too close to the forest. We've all been that guy who's niceness got him wrongly judged as a wuss and got him left behind. We were taught to be nice, so it was our bad culture that caused it. If we had been that nice without being taught to and had been raised in the patriarchy to be strong men, but instead ran around like wusses then it would have been deserved.

But we were taught to act like wusses. We were brainwashed and trained that way. And since women are still biologically aligned to judge us in a patriarchy setting, we failed that judgement. But now we know the deal, and so we'll never behave like "nice guys" again.

And so we'll never get judged as sucky poor-excuses for patriarchs again because now we know that we're supposed to be the patriarch, and the captain of the relationship. So, the challenge is to find a woman who isn't too brainwashed to assume her role as captain's mate.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (2 children)

all wrong.

I have no expectations.

Men and women both fall short not of any expectation, but of a provably standard of morals that both men and women have met in the past.

Men and women today are not excused from meeting those existing, proven standards. Those who fail are trash. period.

If you had a daughter, and she married a man, and then over time he went through some tough times, people pressuring him and slowly turned him into a wuss who gets taken advantage of by everyone and their neighbor, and so he wound up at the bottom rung of employment, and ended up working as as a servant who always does what he is told,

If I had a daughter I would teach her to ALWAYS honour above all else, that if she cheats on her husband she is trash and there is no escape once she's done it.

There is no reason to assume the rest of the outcome you describe. She can learn in advance a man will be that way far before marriage.

[–]donit -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Then how come women are programmed to continually test their husband by pushing him into betaland, and then leave him if he fails the test?

How come they stay happily married to the ones who pass the test? It's not some or half. It's all of them. I never met a woman who didn't do it. So, if they're all programmed to do it, it's because it's required for survival.

It must be a common problem for men to wuss out at some point and risk the life of his family, or else women wouldn't have that built in kill switch. There are no extra tendencies. The only tendencies men or women have are ones that are necessary to survive.

So, your daughter will test her husband during her entire fertility period by trying to change him. And if she ever succeeds, he fails the test and she is outathere. She doesn't have a choice. It's programmed into her from your genes. And there would be no point in teaching her to honor a sinking ship. She wouldn't be attracted to him anymore and so she would just be miserable.

[–]hebola4lyfe 15 points16 points  (6 children)

We are angry because we know now women don't give a shit about us or respect us as men no matter what we do for them. This is their nature and it was hidden from us ever since we were little boys. We were fed lies in order to cater to them. Society needs babies and tax payers for the system to thrive and continue. This is the truth that was hidden from us .

A lot of us noticed this and decided to wake up. We were being raised to be utilities and financial slaves . We were deceived.

You're all here, so you [...]

I am here to find out what else was hidden from me. I don't give a damn about the next generation .

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 15 points16 points  (5 children)

We were deceived.

I have said this for a long time but to be honest I think its too strong of a word. I think the word groomed fits better. We were groomed to become the betas that we were. To say we were deceived would mean that others actually knew the truth of it and to be honest whenever someone tried to tell my beta self the truth of it I called them a liar. It's a shitty situation but we have ourselves to blame for it more than anyone else.

[–]QQ_L2P 13 points14 points  (0 children)

When you have an echo chamber of people preaching falsehoods while shutting out opinions that don't agree with them, I believe it's called "indoctrination". Somebody knows the truth, otherwise we wouldn't have naturals today. There is knowledge that used to be commonly passed around that has been gutted, censored and stuffed and posed by a taxidermist for their own twisted machinations.

One way or another, men in the past failed a giant shit test and we are paying for their mistakes. The sons pay for the sins of their fathers, so to speak.

We are the lucky ones who found out that behind the brambles between the fork in the road, there was a third path. How that path unfolds is down to each man who seta foot on it. LTR, plates or marriage, it's down to the desires of the individual. It's incredibly harsh to blame men who have been brow beaten and socialised to think contrary to their own biology.

People used to flagellate themselves in order to repent for their transgressions, as if prostrating and punishing themselves before God would remove that sinking feeling in their heart then they did something they were socialised to believe was wrong. How we look at flagellation now is how people aware of RP look at BP men who vehemently claim that there is only a fork in the road.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In our youthful ignorance, we eagerly embrace the illusion. It feeds the male desire to play the heroic protector, provider and rescuer of the distressed damsel.

As Whisper said, don't deny the instinct. Waking up means not allowing ourselves to be so easily exploited for it.

[–]mryddlin 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I'd agree with you in this point.

Let's be honest here, this ball was dropped on the Baby Boomer generations watch. My dad is a classic example of this, he thought he deserved, entitled to the benefits of marriage, assumed it was locked in like his fathers and didnt pay attention.

BOOM, divorced and forced to pay pretty outrageous amount for 2 kids in the 80s. 2nd wife was a giant bitch looking for her meal ticket and got it.

He lives in a self imposed bubble and I've seen it in a lot of these older guys through out my life, giving advice that I knew was bad. Anything to keep the bubble alive, he's only letting me pop it now.

Miserable lazy, overweight bastards didnt stay on top of their game and lost the match.

[–]trowawayyada 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup my Dad too, he did enlighten me alittle bit and I learned threw his mistakes.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the word groomed fits better.

I think the direct translation of the original German title of "The Manipulated Man" fits best.

"Der dressierte Mann" translates to "The Dressed Man", dressed as in dressage riding.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I care about my finances way more then the hoes.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 7 points8 points  (0 children)

We all have an inner fortitude, though at times we may need to reclaim it. Easy to be led astray. To falter, or become angry at the obstacles we must overcome. But a sword must be forged in fire.

All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

- J.R.R. Tolkien

[–]magus678 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am reminded of this Heinlein quote :

"It is impossible for a man to love his wife wholeheartedly without loving all women somewhat. I suppose that the converse must be true of women."

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

even TRP men

The fact that I love women is precisely why I'm here.

As we all know, women may say they want beta qualities. They tell us to "be yourself". Wow, you mean it's that simple to show my love for somebody? I can do it just by sitting there on my ass and saying whatever the fuck comes to mind at any given moment? The whole concept of it is self-centered and lazy. It's a shit-test at it's very core.

Being the man your woman really wants on the other hand takes effort. We lift to improve our strength, health, mood, and appearance. We take the time to learn what women really want so that we can put an effort into actually making women happy.

Even TRP men? No. Especially TRP men.

[–]goddafindbettername 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am glad you pointed this truth out, u/Whisper. What some don't seem to get that we are not here to abandon women in the long run(*), it's about becoming a healthy minded person capable of realizing a life he longs for. And for most of us - even if ppl in the anger phase deny it - love women and their being deep down. So it's more about not getting fucked over in the process and not denying basic human instinct.

(*)that is my take on the trp, your experience may differ

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rock solid post.

In my case and I suggest others: I am done sacrificing, and I am done with the idea of future sacrifice.

Women don't sacrifice, women don't respect or appreciate male sacrifice, alphas don't sacrifice. Women respect and appreciate male power and male status and that's it. Anything given to them just makes me look weak in their eyes - so I'm not doing it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have decided to stick to love..... hate is too great a burden to bear.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have decided to stick to love..... hate is too great a burden to bear.

Make sure you love all your women equally :)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude. I fucking love women.

It's their shit personalities and behavior that are deterrents.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not "even Red Pill men". I'd say especially Red Pill men. We love our women for exactly what they are, not an inflated fantasy version.

[–]kalstate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To put it another way, the anger phase is a healthy, essential, and obvious response to the realization that the feminist imperative has destroyed our culture’s future by promoting and ensuring infertility of the culture. How could any rational man of integrity not be upset when he realizes that his reproductive purpose in life is in jeopardy?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Great Post! Illustrates how important it is to assume role of "daddy" if one is to successfully pursue an LTR.

The love you DO give your woman will not (cannot) be reciprocated in a way that you think you deserve.

Women do not feel any sense of loyalty as a man does. They cannot provide empathy to their Man. They are takers (like children).

This concept of asymmetrical love was the biggest sticking point for me during my anger phase

[–]babyfishm0uth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't think that this is always the case nor has it been historically. I think the problem is that our culture has created a lot of women who think they don't need a man and a lot of men who couldn't be counted on if needed. A good woman will be loyal to a strong man.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We live in a culture that browbeats men into obeying women and fearing them, and this has been so successful that women now cannot tell the difference between healthy love, and spineless cowardice.

So... who is to blame? Do we blame our mothers for the blue pill crap they shovelled down our throats? And all the girls who pretended to love us to get our resources while secretly fucking chad?

Or were they also just following the program, believing it's best for everyone? I'm pretty sure women are either oblivious to their lies or are able to fully compartmentalise their outlook to be optimal to the current situation. To the point they don't even believe there is any other viewpoint, at least until Chad comes to visit.

Certainly I've talked to otherwise intelligent women who seriously believed women had a really tough time of it and men lived carefree happy lives. (I pointed out how much shit women actually throw at men and how much they verbally assault us and put us down and the problems we have - she'd never consciously noticed it, even though she did it herself, and she did agree with me after a short while).

So is everyone just following the program, or is there blame to be levelled here? If they are not even able to comprehend a male viewpoint, can they be blamed for pushing a female viewpoint down our throats to the exclusion of all else.

Currently I blame them, believing they can see all this stuff, but don't care. That it is outright warfare. That it's me or them. That both sides cannot win the gender war, that feminism is a giant shit test that we should have collectively laughed at generations ago. But hey, I'm pretty angry at all this. Other viewpoints welcome.

[–]S74RK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excellent post, I've never read a better description of why the anger phase exists. You can't get angry over something that you never cared for in the first place.

A small nitpick with this quote:

You are hardwired to be sympathetic to, and protective of women. Evolutionarily, that's what you are for. Keep the eggs safe. Ensure the next generation.

I agree with the hardwiring, but I think the logical explanation is incorrect. There is no 'for the good of the species', which is what this quote seems to imply ("the next generation"). Rather, there is only the desire to advance one's own genes, and when that coincides with helping others survive and prosper, it gets labeled as "altruism". Really though it's just social intelligence, another hardwired trait: help others, and you will be rewarded (depending on the society). Clearly the balance is off, hence the need for TRP.

To be clear, here's what's happening. We're hardwired to be protective of our genetic investments, which would be our love interests. We don't want them to get physically hurt, so they can raise our child; we don't want other guys mating with them because that threatens our genetic investment. These instincts cause one to release bonding chemicals in the brain, and this is what we call "love". Symptoms include euphoric happiness, children, and oneitis. Use with caution.

The only eggs worth caring for are those which you have some chance of fertilizing. As men, I suppose in general we think we have a chance with most every women, hence the macro-level behavior of being sympathetic and protective of women. Excessive amounts of social conditioning sure helps as well, as it feeds on this natural drive.

[–]iambecomedownvote 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It's funny - even gay men love women. Lesbians hate men (they're far more driven by hatred of men than love for women), but everybody loves women.

[–]Riddick_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Let me say this: Lesbians hate weak men - They adore strong and confident men, and secretly lust after them! (ref to as... cock play) And consider them as role models.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this is true and is also why we have all heard the old saying, "Women, cant live with them, cant live without them". In my opinion this means on a universal level, not an individual day to day basis. I can definitely live without women in my day to day life, but to think of a world in which women suddenly completely dissapeared, it bothers me for some reason. That is why i dont hate women. I just dont take them too seriously. In fact i think part of their charm comes from the fact that they are not like us. A world in which women would be just like men with literal vaginas would be a weird one indeed. The anger phase makes sense, but in my opinion it is not a proportional response, the problem is exaggerated in the minds of most men. Dont take women too seriously, they are not angels, neither are they hellish demons.

[–]Riddick_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TRP Sidebar and book material right here.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (2 children)

as it happens - I don't love women - and I had no anger phase.

I'm good with this.

[–]donit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well, that depends on what love means. If it means becoming dependent and losing control, then yes, that's something none of us want or allow to happen because it causes women to lose their attraction. But if we're referring to a patriarchal love that flows down to everyone and everything we care about, then that's something I think we all do and provide.

I don't think any of us does it out of contempt for women, like capturing an attacking enemy soldier and making them your slave. Like haha, try that again motherfucker. Go make me a sandwich.

[–]-Quotidian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is a purpose to all things, though it may not be clearly seen. The purpose of our instincts tends to be visceral, related in some way to the survival of our offspring, species, or social circle--if not ourselves.

Men like women. If men didn't like women there wouldn't be many people. But the instincts that derive from this "like" can be used against us. Quite easily. Like bug-zappers.

Know yourself and your strengths, motives, and weaknesses, know your enemy and their strengths, motives, and weaknesses, and the world will seem pretty fucking cut and dry. The problem is getting that information and keeping it up to date.

Men like women. And that can be good or bad for either men or women.

[–]1sardinemanR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the real reason why laws were designed in a way that they don't look "equal." It's because women are weaker and have poor decision making as one part, but the other part is man's natural tendency to white knight.

So if the law isn't written "equal" man still takes care of women and gives her better results than she should have. But then, this elevation actually makes her "equal."

The way we have things now, women are "superior" instead. I believe I've read something from Ancient Rome where an Emperor stated something to that effect, that if you make women "equal" you will in fact make them superior and have them rule you, because of man's nature.

But now we have to change our base desire to protect women, because society has changed that it's pointless and is an awful mating strategy. So TRP is probably a little unnatural, but so is feminism and this modern society. As men, we adapt and adjust. That anger phase is the remnants of our frustration. Maybe after we pass it we lose the capacity to love women, I don't know, but I know I don't care either. It's not my duty to "fix" society and I don't care, I think I'm past the anger phase.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

I love my $$$$ and sex way more than I love women. Do you love those weaker than you? Dumber than you? Shorter and smaller than you? Those who make less than you? No. You look down on them but apparently if they have a vagina, it's all good.

[–]zpatriarchy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

yes, but they hate that we expose their secrets we must obviously hate them. according to some logic. & the white knights think we are taking advantage be giving girls what they want. someone please take advantage of me & give me a new car.

i've blogged about how i would never spend this much time learning about something i hate. i'm not reading about knitting or soap operas.

[–]6454asdfasd5645645 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I do not love scorpions. I tolerance scorpions in the desert, but I do not love scorpions. I tolerate them because they exist.

I do not love something that can not love me back. I loved the idea of what women used to be, when they could keep their legs closed as a token gesture of effort for all the bullshit they make us do. They do not do that anymore, and are instead spoiled princesses. Love is an illusion, see: helen of troy, infinite jest passage.

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[–]Limekill 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The anger runs deep. But I can understand why.

[–]justtookit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Don't waste your time. She's a bluepiller who posted that to stir up trouble.

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I refer you to your own advice:

I don't agree with TRP but they have the right to a sub (a safe place!) where they can discuss their ideologies. If you don't like their opinions, then don't visit the sub.

In fact, I'll help you stay out.

Banned for trolling.

[–]CrustyGrundle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In another post you said that you're a woman. Do you really feel that way about yourself?

[–]donit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Um, people don't live forever, so we are all disposable. And men don't discard a good woman. They discard the bad ones. And if society didn't limit them to one at a time, there would be no reason for men to ever discard them.