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Rant/VentingGermany's birth rate plummets. Germany now has the dubious honour of having the lowest birthrate in the world (lower than Japan). (self.TheRedPill)

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It's happening. Pretty soon my country will follow suit, since we are pretty much swamp-germans (Netherlands). This is what happens, when the family unit is destroyed. There are NO incentives for men to have children.

I can see it all around me, young people are refusing to have children. Most experts are saying it's an economic decision, which is partially true, but also a lie by omission (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission). They are simply refusing to realize the years of feminist policies which have backfired and come to bite us all in the ass.

Ofcourse the political solution is....drum roll...wait for it....

''Mr Probst said the country would need young immigrant workers to fill the significant skills gap. And more women were needed in the workforce to avoid economic problems.''

More feminism!

''That the government of Angela Merkel has thrown so much money at the problem is seen by many, even within her own ranks, as a mistake. "Elterngeld" or "parents' allowance" has cost well over €20bn (£16.1bn) since it was introduced five years ago and its results are questionable.''

Ofcourse the solution to the problem is, the same thing which has started the problem in the first place. Europe is doomed and on it's way to economic disaster. The powers that be have to be either

  1. Ignorant and thus incapable of doing their job.
  2. Aware of what they're doing, but simply don't care.

''Demographics and family policy experts are divided over the reasons for the apparent reluctance to have children, as well as the ways to tackle the situation. What they generally agree on is that Germany's demographic future looks gloomy. With many more Germans dying than being born for 40 years, the obvious results will be a shrinking workforce, lower growth and a struggle to pay for a rapidly ageing population.''

Edit:Interesting comment that highlights why the decline in German birth rate is not just economical:

German here. The lower class has many children, since the state benefits are quite good, but the middle class or above start very late or never at all.

There's no reason for any woman to not have children. Great universal healthcare, guaranteed time off (up to 3 years), you may pick up your old job, low costs (if you're good with money), no college fund needed. Economic reasons my ass. It's probably one of the best countries to have children in.

Source (In German) http://www.hwwi.org/fileadmin/hwwi/Mediencenter/Pressemitteilungen/2015_Pressemitteilungen/2015-05-11/20150529_PM_IBC_Geburtenrate_HWWI.pdf

Another source (shitty guardian article) http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/21/germany-birthrate-low-falling

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32929962


[–][deleted] 75 points76 points  (10 children)

Swiss here, 60km from german border, similar culture.

Raising kids with femnazis gone wild in the government structure is a hell of a job. Last spring we were back from holidays late due to TAP pilot strike and our 3-grader missed 1 day of school. No problem?

We had "child protective services" harassing us for months now. They interrogate kids stasi style (intrrogate neighbor kids), they want us to pay a hefty fine, they try to send the police to ivestigate us and they are contemplating to put the kid in foster care. Because kid missed 1 FUCKING SCOOL DAY. No joke, i can provide the documents.

I would never want to miss my kids, its the best thing i have ever done. But i cant recommend it. There is too much CRAZY in education.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

sounds just like the Dutch gestapo/Child Protection Agency

If your child misses one day of school, there will be hell to pay. Kids need their dailly dose of brainwashing!

[–]jugol 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We had "child protective services" harassing us for months now. They interrogate kids stasi style (intrrogate neighbor kids), they want us to pay a hefty fine, they try to send the police to ivestigate us and they are contemplating to put the kid in foster care. Because kid missed 1 FUCKING SCOOL DAY. No joke, i can provide the documents.

That's fucked up. That's 1984-tier fucked up.

[–]Prattler26 205 points206 points  (201 children)

It's amazing that problems caused by feminism will be addressed by applying more feminism. It will get much much worse before it finally gets better.

Protect yourself!

[–]errrzarrr 80 points80 points [recovered]

amazing that problems caused by feminism will be addressed by applying more feminism. It will get much much worse before it finally gets bett

As it always has been with socialism and socialists. They pretend to solve the problem caused by applied by socialism applying even more socialism. Feminism is just old style socialists wearing skirts.

[–]drallcom3 44 points44 points [recovered]

Leftist in Germany quite openly want to destroy Germany by watering down the German population.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (14 children)

This. It's as much of a racial issue as it is a gender issue. But it's 100% a Marxist bullshit, self-loathing, white guilt issue.

[–]ObservantOmega 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Leftist Germans are the most self-hating people in existence. They are so brainwashed that they would gladly destroy Germany if given a chance.

[–]Dornerthecoroner 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Funny story: The German government is rebuilding the Prussian palace of Berlin and the green party there lobbied the German government to turn it into a museum of African hostory. In Berlin.

[–]5More_Minutes 6 points7 points  (1 child)

So they are even bigger cucks then the Sweden?

[–]ObservantOmega 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not there yet, thank whatever higher power you want. But we are rolling towards the same goal as Sweden.

[–]RojoEscarlata 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is like no one remembers what the leftist did to South Africa.

[–]drallcom3 19 points19 points [recovered]

I wish there were Jews, Muslims or Illuminati behind all this, but they're really doing this to themselves.

The leftists are usually employed by the state or don't have any income, so making the state more powerful is beneficial to them. Luckily the Germans don't trust them with economic issues.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

I can understand you being angry or scared, but if you want to understand the problem, then implying that leftists intentionally want to destroy Germany won't give you a clear picture of the issues at hand. You can of course debate whether leftist policies will in fact destroy Germany, but most leftists honestly think that leftist policies are good for the country/world in general and not just for themselves. You may think they're misguided or delusional, but they're not intentionally trying to destroy the country and advocating leftist policies as a way of doing that.

The leftists are usually employed by the state or don't have any income, so making the state more powerful is beneficial to them.

For some leftists, this is true. However, usually is distorting facts. According to some quick googling, unemployment rate is Germany is about 5% and about 10% of German workers work for the government. So even if 100% of people on unemployment and 100% of government workers are leftists, then that's still just 15% of the population. So the majority of leftists in fact have a non-government job.

I'm not writing this to piss people off, though I'm sure I will. I'm writing this because there are a lot of constructive things you can do when a lot of people disagree with you and are plain wrong, but there are very few things you can do when a lot of people disagree with you because they actively and intentionally are trying to sabotage the country. Putting blinders on and demonizing the opposition will only lead to polarization and stagnation.

[–]Dopamine37 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I wish there were Jews, Muslims or Illuminati behind all this, but they're really doing this to themselves.

But who is allowing them to do this? Some ppl believe there is a group of people who are intentionally creating this type of environment so that SJW and other leftists can thrive and destroy Germany and other white countries

[–]drallcom3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's the typical SJW stuff. Everyone daring to critizice them gets (socially) annihilated. Their voting power is also quite high, so they get pandered to.

[–]DarkCrimes 12 points13 points  (8 children)

There are people in the US and Sweden who believe this as well.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAEoCCNU8AAWvuH.jpg

The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race. Until that task is accomplished, even partial reform will prove elusive, because white influence permeates every issue in U.S. society, whether domestic or foreign. —Noel Ignatiev, Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q90kmUbEv7c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jl-OJJVAEg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuYKtwnzG7M

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Gee wasn't WWII fought because the germans wanted to commit genocide against the Jewish race... Now we got idiots advocating for genocide of the white race?

Just goes to show you who is in power. Imagine if you suggested this of hispanic, black or asian populations what the reaction would be.

[–]SpongeCroft 3 points4 points  (1 child)

"Germany dies a little bit more every day, and I think that's great!"

-Claudia Roth, high person of the green party

[–]mryddlin 13 points14 points  (2 children)

That's exactly what it is, it was a response to Marxism in the late 70's.

I just had this argument with a SJW, that feminism cannot encompasses the entire women's rights movements.

It did not get the right to vote, it did not give women financial freedom. Those were people in the late 1900's and ended after WWII.

Feminism is just a construct of the baby boomer generation. The word literally only comes into the public domain in the late 70's, piggybacking the term Feminism omto the political group called feminist nation party (or something like that).

The term was used to try to mass appeal to unite under single issues based on gender and was a flop at the time.

Seems like it was dusted off and the message was refined a bit more. Same tactics too, that group was known for being trolls in the 1910s.

Feminism the 70's ideology has only been focused on the victimization of women by men, and using the legal system to perpetuate that meme.

[–]unsafeword 20 points20 points [recovered]

I just had this argument with a SJW

Apropos of nothing, I nominate "argument" as the collective noun for Social Justice Warriors. eg., "an argument of Birkenstock wearers."

[–]pirateundies 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Feminism is just old style socialists wearing skirts.

I always liked the quote "Marxism in heels"

[–]Anderfail 6 points7 points  (1 child)

See the problem is not socialism or feminism, it's that they aren't being applied correctly and that we need to be more diligent in their implementation!

[–]tbpd 2 points3 points  (5 children)

While most of us here, if not all, know how much feminism negatively affects our society, I think it is a mistake to place exclusive blame on the movement for the perils we face today. The reason why we have a problem supporting our aging populations is that a good amount of our tax dollars/euros go directly to interests for state loans. Where politicians all over the world fail in fixing the economic troubles, there seems to be evidence of wrongful care for the economy. Until we discover the core economic issues lying before us, we can't hope to cure ourselves of these perils even in a world without feminism. The way things are set up right now we will need a continuous growth in population and subsequent inflation of our currency to stave off bankruptcy. It won't even last that long should this actually happen.

TL;DR: Even though feminism has a negative effect on societal cohesion, our economic troubles stem from a wrongful understanding, and use, of our economies. No political wing will be able to amend this without first realising the core issues such as modern banking, inflation, and bubble-economies.

[–][deleted] 151 points152 points  (8 children)

Caged animals (men) are known to stop breeding once they realize they are trapped.

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[–]cariboo_j 16 points17 points  (1 child)

actually loved me, instead of loving what I could do for her

This was never a reality. Women were never like that. Sexual relationships have always been transactional in nature.

MGTOW in my opinion is simply the logical response once you fully grasp and internalize the nature of women.

(And no, MGTOW =/= celibate.)

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You can break anything down into a transaction, even the love you have with your parents. That doesn't mean it isn't real or worth anything.

[–]Bwhitty23 19 points20 points  (2 children)

So men are the animals in captivity that may live longer but ache to return to the wild. Once they step out of this cage then their life gets shorter but they are acting how they are meant to act and love it. I like your analogy.

[–]Ovadox 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wow, that distills this whole post into one sentence. Nice work.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 22 points23 points  (2 children)

What you should keep in the back of your head is the following:

That study was done by a neo-liberal think tank and it's sole purpose is to weaken the market for employees and lower wages in general, and for graduates from the STEM-field in specific.

There has been a neverending repetition of the myth of the "Fachkräftemangel" - a scarcity of qualified employees - for the last years here in Germany, which is complete and utter bullshit. We have more than enough qualified people here, but the problem is: Those aren't willing to work for the money companies are willing to offer them.

After the government under the leadership of chancelor Gerhard Schröder succeeded in installing what Schröder himself called "Europe's best low-wage labour market" at the World Economic Forum 2005 in Davos, via the "Agenda 2010", they are now targeting STEM-jobs.

They already tried before, when they introduced special visas for STEM-specialists from i.e. India, but blatantly failed, because no Indian who's willing to leave his country to work elsewhere would come to Germany, where he would be paid significantly less than in i.e. the UK.

They want to over-saturate the market to push people into the weaker negotioating position via more immigration and allowing asylum seekers to pick up work. If you look closely, they have already started with that in some places and it comes up in the news more often now, justified with reducing the costs for their stay here. That's some serious machiavellinism going on there.

[–]l0ng_time_lurker 4 points5 points  (1 child)

"The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there...just to scare the shit out of the middle class." - George Carlin on the economic and social classes in America - also true for Germany and other parts of Europe with rampant mass immigration and lowering of standards

[–]1dongpal 104 points105 points  (83 children)

german women are like they have stick in their ass. every women I chat up with asked me within first minute what job I have. all they care is about money. people complaning about US having too many sluts, I can only tell you its better to have some sluts than no one whats so ever. since im half polish I search for them instead, they are way more "alive" , enjoy their life way more.

[–][deleted] 95 points96 points  (8 children)

trust me, they are all sluts, to the right guy.

German women love to come to my country to 'study' (aka party their ass of).

[–]1dongpal 28 points29 points  (5 children)

yes, the right guy. in germany its not top 20% but top 10%. the typical chad thundercock is extremly rare. I know only two persons in my life personally who are good with women (but only in clubs), they also live in the biggest cities so I dont even see them anymore.

the standard in germany is very high. for example they look at what car you drive way more than in other countries because its the biggest status symbol in germany

[–]Deresetese 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Your example can't really be used as an example.

Germans are obsessed with cars, it's not simply the biggest status symbol. Under right circumstances it can be the only relevant one.

So long as you are not homeless (even not working can be ignored to a degree as it still does yield an acceptable income, if you are not working for a short amount of time and some income if you are not working for an extended period of time), having a good car is often seen as the only factor in status.

This is caused by public transportation being used mostly by young people and to a degree poor people and the german's history with producing cars.
Also, because the Autobahn doesn't have a speed limit, being able to drive at high speed has a totally different level of appeal.

As for your other point, the alphas being rarer, what do you base this on ? It may very well be true but I can't see any reason as to why this would be the case.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Dated the German foreign exchange student in high school. Super hot with equally low self esteem. Her entire self worth was derived from Facebook likes. We fucked within two weeks of speaking to each other, and she claimed I was her second ever. Mind you at this point I was still extremely blue pill beta, and of all my past encounters with women this confuses me the most. All the other girls I either got with or was rejected by can easily be explained by redpill philosophy. Maybe German girl severely underrated her smv despite hundreds of likes on literally all of her Facebook posts?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Was she alternative in any way? Tattoos, uncommon taste in music, bright hair, piercings, etc?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, very stereotypical upper middle class white chick. Obsessed with Hollister (and now works there) because it's cool still in Germany I guess?

[–]1London-Bananas 48 points49 points  (50 children)

Can confirm, I live in Germany and to make it all worse I'm a mechanical engineer. In Germany being a mechanical engineer is like the super sayan BB profession. Above lawyers and doctors even. It is every family's dream to marry off their daughters to mechanical engineers here.

Although I obviously have plates, the concept of non-LTR sex is not nearly as common as in the US, UK or Australia.

[–]kaiwanxiaode 25 points26 points  (14 children)

I'm not German so I don't really know the full situation but my gosh when i was in Berlin there was plenty of casual sex to be had for all types.

[–]1London-Bananas 48 points49 points  (8 children)

Berlin isn't Germany, ask any German. It's full of artsy hipster types with no career or future, which is why Germans have such mixed feelings about it.

[–]Zekohl 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Hell, I am from Berlin (born and raised) and even I hate it.

[–]Copenhagen23 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Berlin is reverting back to how it was pre Hitler. The debauchery capital of Europe. You'll notice the same happening in nearly all western nations. This is by design. I will just leave it at that.

[–]2comment 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To get what Copenhagen23 is saying, watch the movie Cabaret from 1972 with Liza Minnelli. Extremely good atmosphere film and set in Berlin early 30s, before the Nazis achieved power.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I should move to Berlin but they hate my kind there :( (Schwabe)

[–]Work_McGurk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've never witnessed so many hipsters in one place than when I went to Berlin a few years ago

[–]Deresetese 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Berlin is not germany, Berlin is international.
Any nationalism, which is not all that present in germany anyway, is non existant there.
Basically Berlin is the epitome of every problem that germany faces.
No nationalism, high cost of living, multi culturalism, degrees that become increasingly worthless and thus people who either don't aim for any education or simply can't capitalise on it.
Berlin is full of people who have no future, they're either immigrants that don't speak german or germans wihout sufficient education.
This and other reasons lead to berlin being drastically different from every other part of germany.

[–]spectrum_92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Berlin is less representative of Germany than San Francisco is of the US

[–]CyberFi 11 points12 points  (1 child)

The career does not make the man. You can present yourself as a "disposable lighter repairman" and if you play it right women are still going to fall head over heels in love, I guarantee it's just a matter of calibrating your game and generating attraction. I can't imagine the social influence of German women to be that hardwired into their minds.

What is hardwired into her brain are the primal attraction switches that persisted since the dawn of man. Not to mention, as we all know, women are calibrated to follow their emotions before logic. Sure you're gonna hear "I'm not gonna sleep with a man unless I'm married to him and he's a millionaire" but as soon as a confident, carefree alpha swoops in her eyes widen and said thoughts suddenly vanish.

[–]letter_of_reprimand 11 points11 points [recovered]

Why is this? I live in Germany and I've heard before that engineering is Germany's most respected profession but nobody I ask seems to really know why this is.

[–]1London-Bananas 39 points40 points  (1 child)

  1. Germany simply has a rock solid boner for engineering, especially mechanical engineering. It's a world leading country not only in cars but also firearms and large arms.

  2. Engineering jobs are in high demand and basically mean you will never ever be unemployed and the pay is good, eg perfect husband material to start a family on.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This. If you are in engineering in my area (SW Germany), you're settled for life. They're practically always hiring.

[–]2popthatpill 25 points26 points  (13 children)

Drive a German car and compare it to any other country's cars, that's probably why people like German engineering.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Love my Nazi mobile, but maybe y'all should up your electrical engineering game. Js.

[–]2comment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was a real thing up to the 80s I'd say. Japanese cars were these tiny ugly POS and American cars were just fucking bad in the 70s/80s. There was a real gray market (cars brought overseas to here) for Mercedes in that time.

But my experience with German cars after the mid-80s models is that mechanically they're usually very solid -- a big thing decades back was the doors closed every so pleasingly, something I think the others mastered in the meantime --- but also often way overcomplicated and overpriced to fix and the electrical engineering is shit.

IDK about the other brands, but from what I seen of the GPS/radio/etc in Mercedes, they're usually garbage too in interface and at least 5 years ago, were still stuck in the 90s mentality compared to what you can get in a GM.

Now don't me wrong, I went over 250km/h on the autobahn (when farther away from cities and empty enough, getting more and more rare) and the average middle-of-the-road Audi/Mercedes/BMW/Porsche will beat any other country's average car for feel and handling at those speeds for realistic highway driving. Shit like a Ford Escort feels like metal coffin on wheels when its wheezing at 180kph.

But other than that consideration, which just doesn't apply to most of the world, I prefer one of the Japanese big 3 for total ownership for small/medium cars. And something American if I had hauling to do.

[–]Man_Jose 7 points8 points  (0 children)

a mechanical engineer is like the super sayan BB profession

Completely tangent, but I ROFLed at this. Part of me sometimes wonders how jokes like this would fly with women.

[–]DreadLockedHaitian 14 points15 points  (7 children)

have some sluts than no one whats so ever.

German women put out for foreigners. And I say foreigners because my Aussie classmates were doing just as well with the ladies, as us Americans. To be honest, we were getting crazy love.

[–]Bwhitty23 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I found this true. Unfortunately I didn't score cause when I went I was way worse. I noticed all the females I was around were flirty as hell but I couldn't bring myself to act. I think it was because I was one of the few black people they've seen as they wanted to touch my hair. It could be a fluke but even the classmates that went along with me didn't have quite the attention I got. What I would give to do that over again with the knowledge I have now. Can't wait till I go back.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gotta stick to the more alternative crowd. Lots of promiscuity there.

You're right though, if you absolutely want to avoid sticking your dick in crazy you're pretty much restricted to LTRs.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If anyone's question when meeting you is "what do you do for a living?" I find that pretty suspicious, like they aren't looking to be friends, but rather "business partners".

[–]netgrey 100 points100 points [recovered]

Will it be Germany when there are no Germans, but only Muslim Turks who might speak some German?

I don't get how importing immigrants from failed countries en masse helps.

[–]QQ_L2P 90 points91 points  (23 children)

It doesn't, it's fucking stupid. At best it's a misconception that the immigrants who arrived in the 70's, the intelligent and the skilled who migrated at the first opportunity for a better life, will be the kind that come with this push.

But it won't be. I'll tell you now it's the mouthbreathers and the bottom dregs of society who come over, do fuck all and claim benefits all day while letting their kids run in idiotic gangs who have and will continue to come over.

Europe has no spine, it just doesn't know how to say no at this point, and it's a fucking shame.

[–]1London-Bananas 58 points59 points  (2 children)

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money"

[–]1Goomich 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What we've learned in 2008, is that you can run out of banks' money too.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

money is merely a proxy for value, and value is intrinsic in materials and in labour, especially skilled labour. The problem with EVERY economic system is someone doesn't want to be induced by force to work or to lose material owned value.

Socialism is not the worst among them. Monarchy, monopoly, oligarchy and Fascism are each far worse.

[–]NidStyles 21 points22 points  (4 children)

It doesn't take a genius to figure what is going on. Just examine the cultural group promoting these immigration policies. In every nation they exist, they have the same thing in common.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 12 points13 points  (10 children)

Europe hasn't had a spine since world war 1.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (7 children)

That's true the appeasement of Hitler was fucking pathetic. He annexes two countries but you sit and hope he won't keep going? are you fucking serious this nigga is just declaring countries his, but just stay quiet? lol you're right man

[–]UzairDjillaliYahud 8 points8 points [recovered]

That's not how it went down. Hitler had to protect German minorities in former German cities. After WW1 germany was ripped apart and at some point the germans who then lived in a new country became victims of assaults. Especially along the French and Czechia borders. There is a documentary called "the greatest story never told" which is about 6 hours. I've never really watched it completely only nearly 2 hours but it gives you more insight as to what happend in the time before WW2.

[–]koxar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How will it say no, it's either get immigrants or have the entire tech sector go down? What do you suggest they do? Plus I disagree that muslims create sharia gangs in germany.

[–]weirdnamedindian 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Hey, Turkey itself only became Turk from around the 14th century when a bunch of eastern steppe Turkic tribes invaded the place and pushed out the mostly Greek speaking populace or inter-mingled with them. Expect the same to happen to Germany - and no, it will no longer be Germany. No one looks to Turkey and thinks of Hellenic culture, Byzantium and Asia Minor unless one is a historian.

[–]CharlieIndiaShitlord 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Oh Constantinople, how we miss you so.

[–]razor5151 2 points3 points  (0 children)

importing immigrants

this is what I don't understand. I see people talking about how countries are importing tons of immigrants, but my experience tells me otherwise.

I'm from India. My brother, who is a software engineer, has been trying to get a H1B visa for a while because he thinks he can do better than his current employer. He has been trying, for the past 3 years, and yet his visa keeps getting rejected by immigration department.

Indians who pay taxes, work honest jobs, keep their heads down, and become contributing members of the society they immigrate to are denied visas.

On the other hand, degenerate Mudslimes are imported by the dozens?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

German bureaucracy is superb. In the end it'll be a few hundred thousand Germans in key positions directing the workforce of millions of immigrants.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For some weird-ass reason, apart from the conservatives (well, and the common folk) the idea to compensate for the loss of manpower by allowing more migration is pretty popular.

The fact that people rather go to the US if they want to make it big with their knowledge and skills is usually ignored.

[–]Deresetese 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The ideal is that skilled immigrants come here to work (for lower salaries than germans would).
spoiler: it doesn't work that way.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

slavery requires a high population, always expanding.

It helps slavery, same as raising the birth rate.

This is the master plan of all countries with a central bank. The core of the red pill is always economics. It rules all and is acting via deliberate layered strategies, not accidents, upon marriage, sexual relationships and laws governing what is assault, rape, consent, powers of police to search, rights of accused & accuser in courts - everything.

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[–]Heizenbrg 98 points99 points  (4 children)

Fuck that's what's happening in my home town in northern Italy. All I saw when I visited were halal shops open at 2am. Italy also has a problem of low birthrate and too many migrants.
It is however more of an economic decision, fortunately it's still a country that has not been plagued with feminists, alpha men dominate.
When people will start spending more we will be on top of the other Feminists euros, and hopefully our teams will catch up too.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 30 points31 points  (1 child)

...open at 2am

Brace yourself : Ramadan is coming.

They'll be open at 4am

[–]IlliterateIllyrian 32 points32 points [recovered]

They'll also be raping. Look at Sweden.

[–]cariboo_j 34 points35 points  (0 children)

No no. Only white males have rape culture, against female university students.

Men getting raped in prison doesn't count. Neither do Muslims in Sweden or militants in the Congo, where 1 in 4 PEOPLE (aka women AND men) get raped.

The real rape culture is on American university campuses.

Also we must never criticize people with brown skin... Because colonialism or something.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 19 points20 points  (5 children)

Allahhuuuuaakkkbar.... err ... I'm sorry, I mean surely Ze Germans can efficiently realize that replacing themselves with outsiders (and forcing those round outsiders into square pegs so they can also count as "Germans") can only go so far.

At least with integration they avoid Japan's fate.

[–]CharlieIndiaShitlord 98 points99 points  (4 children)

Just a small anecdote here.

Years ago a Mosque opened up in Calgary, AB. Very early one morning, they started up with their usual 'call to prayer', with loudspeakers, at about 4am.

For about 10 minutes this continued, at which point an unidentified pickup truck drove by and blew away the loudspeakers with a shotgun.

The police were called, they took a statement, but there weren't really any leads they could follow up on.

The Mosque replaced the loudspeakers. The next morning, 4am sharp, the call to prayer once again commenced, blaring through the loudspeakers, once again waking up half the neighbourhood, a good portion of whom fall into the classification of 'redneck'.

10 minutes later, truck, shotgun, broken loudspeakers.

Thus ends the last time the Mosque had a call to prayer in Calgary, AB.

Respect peoples cultures, but don't piss off the natives.

[–]NotRoosterTeeth 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I live in NC and somthing I will forever remember in my life is the UNC Bell Tower controversy. People talk about the media changing stories to create more controversy, this is an extreme example. Just going to add I am very open to religions practicing the services of their religion, you will see below why I belive what I belive in the situation.

Typical News Report on the Bell Tower Controversy: Anti-Muslim Rednecks in North Carolina are trying to make it so Muslims can not practice their religious services.

To the best of my knowledge this is what happened : UNC says Muslim students can practice in a Cristian Bell Tower so they can seem open minded and religiously accepting. (Not a bad move on there part, they want to look good in the community). The problem is that is was a Cristian bell tower and if they had their services, the other religions that practiced there wouldn't be able to which is a large problem on Saturday and Sunday keeping in mind a large majority of the student base is Cristian or Jewish.

TL;DR : People should be able to practice their religion but not physically disturb others while they do it. Also the media blows situations involving stuff like this out of the water, be careful of the information you read.

[–]Roflsquad 20 points21 points  (11 children)

This actually fucking depresses me. The simple fact that these people with scientifically proven lower IQ-scores are taking over western societies and the media calls it cultural enrichment...

[–]Zagooda 22 points23 points  (4 children)

I think TRP is the only place on internet that no one will blame muslims for that. And I'm happy to see that's true.

For the others: You don't want muslims? Perfect. Handle your own shit and don't let them do your job and take your money. Fucking breed and don't become a minority in your own country. You will probably lose those taxi drivers, shawarma and kebab makers but hey we all know that "you can't have your cake and eat it, too"

[–]cariboo_j 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Muslims aren't a problem in and of themselves. The ones we have in Canada are well behaved.

Europe seems to take in the pushy and militant ones that feel the need to shove their religion in everyone else's face, demand special treatment and even demand non Muslims follow their rules.

Those Muslims can fuck off and go back to their shitty theocratic countries. Too bad Europe is too spineless and PC to tell them to fuck off.

[–]DaphneDK 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Immigrants from Africa and the Middle East are not just desperately fleeing whatever conditions, and willing to go anywhere. They're very much aware of and discerning as to which country they want to go to, and deliberately chose countries with a high level of welfare. EU agencies have documented this quite thoroughly. There are even Facebook groups and various Internet sites dedicated to listing all the pros & cons of each destination and the immigrants surf these on their smart phones. This means European nations with generous welfare states attract those that want to benefit from the welfare states, whereas places like Canada/USA attracts those with ambitions that want to make use of the opportunity to work hard and make life for themselves.

Many of the immigrants to Europe are Christians however. Both those from Syria and those from Africa.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well no. The trouble comes from what writen in Quran , especially surah 5 and 9.

Educated muslim are able to distance themselves from their religion but under educated muslims, that are also made fragile by their economical situation are prone to be problematic.

And the problem is that the european goverments are actually importing mass of low educated musilm, so guess what will follow.

[–]cariboo_j 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah Islam followed literally is problematic. It's the only major religion I'm aware of that is also a political system. Separation of church and state is pretty much impossible for a devout Muslim.

I'm just saying the educated westernized Muslims (in Canada at least) aren't usually a problem because they are able to rationalize away the more extreme parts of the Quran. And perhaps they are made complacent and have more to lose because of their high paying jobs. They're peaceful in spite of their religion, not because of it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You guys are too busy fucking plates and avoiding marriage, in the middle east there is a different culture, the women take a submissive role in the house, hence they have a good combination of redpill philosophy and manage a have lots of kids at the same time.

[–]drallcom3 43 points43 points [recovered]

German here. The lower class has many children, since the state benefits are quite good, but the middle class or above start very late or never at all.

There's no reason for any woman to not have children. Great universal healthcare, guaranteed time off (up to 3 years), you may pick up your old job, low costs (if you're good with money), no college fund needed. Economic reasons my ass. It's probably one of the best countries to have children in.

[–]erplaint 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I have never understood this whole "economic reasons" line of thought. It is a given that it is actually the poor who have the most children! Basically, women higher up in society become, what were they called... "too posh to push"? As in their own person is way too precious for them to carry around a baby and then give birth to it because "it's uncomfortable". It is really a cultural problem, not an economic one, but no one wants to address the elephant in the room because it might hurt some feefees.

[–]Traz_Onmale 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The elephant in the room is that having and raising children sucks according to many. As soon as birth control is available, smart people opt out.

[–]HonestContrarian 10 points11 points  (15 children)

Ah. That explains the exploding German population!

Wait a minute...

[–]drallcom3 10 points10 points [recovered]

Yeah, right? It's so comfortable, yet no one does it. Except immigrants, who account for like 50% of the babies. I can't blame them.

Women here don't exactly ride the carousel, but they do stuff like carrer well into their 30s when they first start thinking about children. I know plenty of women who are childless and always will be. None of them have ever mentioned feminist stuff btw. But even women in a good relationship, like the girlfriends of some of my friends, don't get children. You have a woman with no good job, a decent BB at their hand and they still don't get pregnant.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (5 children)

Yes, but culturally Germany is NOT a child-friendly place. They do not worship children like we do in the States. Children are annoying bores to much of the educated elite in Germany.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 11 points12 points  (3 children)

This.

We have had the replacement rate gap for years, and there have been loads of articles on the subject. One I read compared the situation to the US and it was pointed out that when families have more children than they can afford with their current living standards, they simply... accept a drop in their living standard. Gee, what a novel idea, accepting that you have to make sacrifices for children! But tell that to our middle class families.

It's funny, because leftists usually point out that it's so much easier to reconcile having a job and a family in Scandinavia or in France (ignoring the fact that France only has its replacement rates because African immigrants compensate for the shortcomings from native French people); when the actual problem is (a) that being childless is entirely acceptable and even quite normal and (b) even couples who actually want children are entirely happy with 1, 2 tops. And since more kids usually means a hit to your living standard...

I can look around and it certainly doesn't get better. My 4 grandparents had 8 children combined, and this postwar generation was pretty much the last one that was above the minimal replacement rate. The postwar babyboomers who became parents in the 80s and 90s already were below replacement IIRC - at least when looking around me it looks like that (most couples only had 2 children, and some - like my uncle, an aunt, or friends of my parents only 1 or even none at all); and it only got worse - my long-term friends and I are in our 30s by now, and I can count the number of children we collectively have on the fingers of one hand. Some don't want children, some are latebloomers (read: have been notorious incels for most of their lives) and just got into their first relationships by now, some didn't find the right partner so far. It's definitely fucked up (and the progressive post 68-ideology that has permeated the mainstream didn't really help either).

[–]Zachar1a 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Yes, that doesn't quite add up, does it?

[–]myynshine 2 points3 points  (1 child)

/u/drallcom3's point supports the argument of the post that the reasons behind declining birth rates may not be economic at all.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

So why do you think it's happening? I'm curious, because my first clue would be economic reasons. That's certainly the main reason I see in my peers (with no/unstable jobs, and no prospect of ever owning an apartment) from other, not so wealthy/industrialized European countries.

[–]drallcom3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I don't know. Most of my male friends are very well off and in their early 30s, yet only one of them has a child. It's not like they're together with carrer women and such. Quite the opposite. Sidenote: Only one of them is married and it's not the one with a child.

[–]2popthatpill 68 points69 points  (4 children)

Women don't care if their country gets overrun with foreigners. All women care about is getting into the harems of the top guys, whether they're locals or foreign conquerors. As far as women are concerned, one is as good as the other.

Patriotism is a guy thing.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

They don't give a fuck about anything other than themselves. Men vote for some ideological reason such as "who would be best for the country" but most women vote based on personal feelings. You hit the nail on the head.

[–]SpongeCroft 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Patriotism? IN GERMANY?

Haha-fucking-ha.

[–]RedInIzzy 73 points74 points  (22 children)

More skilled immigrants? From where? Most of Europe is filled with the bottom rung that came running through the open doors after the colonial era passed.

This means importing more people who will want free stuff and have dubious agendas. They'd have to be stupid to do that.

Hopefully controls will be placed upon weapons and the knowledge behind them, seeing as the worst countries for the 3rd worldization are nuclear.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (12 children)

This is what any sane person knows, but can't say because race card. A politician from in my country actually said this in more PC terms and was on his way becoming the prime minister. He was completely demonized in the media, with dubious comparisons to Hitler and other dictators. It was completely ridiculous.

He never had the chance to put his policies into practice because he was shot before election time...

After his death, the left parties took a sharp right turn, and basically validates some of his ideas. Before this man, it was possible for foreign immigrants to leech of welfare, without even speaking Dutch or making an effort to learn Dutch!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (7 children)

Pim is a really interesting character. I wish more gay activists would take a stand against Islam.

It's a beautiful thing watching SJW types try to maneuver around the fact that Islam is inherently hateful when trying to defend it and confronted with the Islamic policy regarding LGBT rights.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

He was great. You should have seen the guy debate against the PC politicians. Just pure logic and deduction, laced with bit of humour, the public was just eating out of his hand. Compared with the retarded emotional appeals of the other politicians (vote for us, we'll give you free shit!!), he truly was one of a kind. He also trolled a female journalist, by saying that she should go back to the kitchen. The media tried to make a fuss out of this, but no one really gave a shit.

His homosexuality really was a great trump card against the SJW types.

[–]CharlieIndiaShitlord 11 points12 points  (0 children)

His homosexuality really was a great trump card against the SJW types.

Reminds me of Milo Yiannopoulos, a gay journalist from the UK. Gets away with so much shit that a straight man would be torn apart for. It is hilarious.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just re-read about his assassination on wiki.

It is absolutely insane that a guy who committed a political assassination in 2002 got paroled in 2014. I'm not a big fan of punitive sentencing but doing 12 years for a planned assassination? Come off it...

[–]letter_of_reprimand 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He called Islam "a backward culture", and is quoted as saying that if it were legally possible, he would close the borders for Muslim immigrants

Regardless on whether he was right or not, I wouldn't exactly call this PC.

[–]Veles11 2 points3 points  (5 children)

As a Polish/Canadian dual citizen I can tell you that there's plenty of unskilled labourers that could come from Poland, which has similar cultural and religious beliefs.

[–]Hoodwink 5 points5 points [recovered]

Poland is probably going to experience a more drastic decline because of all the men getting out of the country.

[–]Adolf_ghandi 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Every sys admin is like: ROLL THAT SHIT BACK NOW! IT WORKED BEFORE!!!

politicans: nope we continue the BS!

[–]Mister_Shitlord_2U 65 points66 points  (30 children)

Not that anybody notices, but this is happening in all the predominantly white countries. You have to look at the big picture. Social engineering, feminism, and the media have all led us by the nose to where we are now. Low birth rates in the population create a vacuum that needs to be filled.

Our governments, that are controlled by a rich elite, create vast incentives at taxpayers cost, for other races of people to move in and take over large parts of society. This causes wages to go down making them more profits at our expense. It creates a divide and conquor strategy to control the people. We waste so much time fighting each other and ignoring the real enemy, the elite themselves.

At the current trend, the white race could become an endangered species. Countries like Sweden, which are natively white, are being invaded at an incredible rate because of government policy and white people will soon be a minority in their own country.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 30 points31 points  (3 children)

We waste so much time fighting each other and ignoring the real enemy, the elite themselves.

This is pretty much the nail on the head.

Double the supply of workers with feminism. I don't even believe the plummeting birth rate was an intended effect of their direction, but it's still functioning; they can bring in migrants to do the work.

The rich are intelligent, they want the money now, not later. It's a big "fuck you" to progress and society as a whole.

[–]Mister_Shitlord_2U 20 points21 points  (1 child)

The rich are intelligent, they want the money now, not later. It's a big "fuck you" to progress and society as a whole.

What they really want is power. Money is just the vehicle that gets it for them. The richest people on the planet have more money than they could ever possibly spend. Once you have aquired that much your power hits a plateau.

So to gain even more power you have to take it away from others by making them poorer, by weakening them. Now the game isn't so much to gain money, but to take it from others. Its hard to fight someone when you are so busy just trying to put food on the table and keep a roof over your head.

[–]1laserdicks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

♂ This comment took me for a spin. Changed my view in a big way.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The rich are intelligent, they want the money now, not later.

Intelligent maybe, but certainly not wise. They're very cleverly destabilizing society and making a huge profit from that, if this is intentional, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a revolution in one or two decades. That revolution might well be aimed at the 1% (or the 0.1%).

If I was an amoral rich guy, I'd prefer to make slightly less money now to avert the possible pitchforks in my future. That would be the wise thing to do.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (2 children)

At the current trend, the white race could become an endangered species. Countries like Sweden, which are natively white, are being invaded at an incredible rate because of government policy and white people will soon be a minority in their own country.

I generally avoid this topic because it is inherently a touchy subject, but one thing the stormfront nuts point out a lot which I think holds up a bit is that it appears only western countries are really pushed to "embrace diversity".

The sheer arrogance of it all is also interesting. Essentially the super-inclusive left are declaring that European countries (and by default, culture) are naturally superior and as such they must be open to including people from other countries into this superior culture.

You rarely if ever see a SJW demanding Japan, Korea or Egypt take in more migrants. Don't have time to dig but this was the best article I could dig up.

I believe the incident in 1986 that they briefly reference was when the UN asked Japan to take in some war refugees, and the Prime Minister said something to the effect of "fuck off, Japan will remain a one race nation".

I may be mixing this up with another incident or even another country, so take that with a massive grain of salt.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I generally avoid this topic because it is inherently a touchy subject, but one thing the stormfront nuts point out a lot which I think holds up a bit is that it appears only western countries are really pushed to "embrace diversity".

The sheer arrogance of it all is also interesting. Essentially the super-inclusive left are declaring that European countries (and by default, culture) are naturally superior and as such they must be open to including people from other countries into this superior culture.

You see this even at the local level. Hispanics have been running blacks out of Compton of all places for a while now, and barely a word has been said.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 11 points12 points  (0 children)

the media have all led us by the nose

Oy vey now careful what you say friend... your media would never lie to you...

[–]NidStyles 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Not sure I would say elites. They all have a culture in common though.

[–]jonewman 3 points3 points [recovered]

ignoring the real enemy

Don't be afraid to ask yourself the Jewish Question.

I recommend reading Kevin Macdonald.

[–]3savoryprunes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For clarity, I don't believe it's our race that's the issue. It's our economic status. The middle class is being dismantled and it looks like the quickest and cheapest way to make this happen is by flooding the worker pool.

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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (8 children)

That article about Mengele is one of the coolest things I've ever read. Who, even today with molecular genetics and genome scans and all sorts of crazy IVF technology, could induce women to give birth to blond, blue-eyed twins? How in the hell did this 1940s-era doctor do this genetic engineering fifty years ago??

[–]sqrt7744 7 points8 points  (4 children)

As a medical doctor in Germany I am acutely aware of this. The system is rotten to the core. Taxation and spending on garbage is crippling the productive sector of the economy, destroying potential productive jobs and forcing people to work more to maintain a decent standard of living.. This means both people in a relationship must work which leaves little time for child rearing. Kindergartens are woefully scarce and waiting lists are long. The problem in virtually all of the instances is the state interfering and preventing the free market from operating efficiently. The solution which practically everyone seems blind to, is to get the state out of the way. Reduce taxes. Let kindergartens operate like any other business - no central planning. Get rid of the (newly introduced) minimum wage which makes hiring an elderly nanny prohibitively expensive. In a free market without labor laws wages rise naturally, there are plenty of historical examples. Guess what quotas do? Pay more people to do the same work. Products become more expensive across the board so your Euro doesn't buy as much anymore. It should be possible for one parent to support the family as it often was until 1950-60. The solution is not political, it is getting rid of politicians.

[–]watersign 8 points9 points  (3 children)

as a jew, i will say this. germanys problem is a jewish one and they need to tell Merkel and all other goldman sachs paid for shills to fuck off and stop letting mud immigrants in

[–]sqrt7744 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well that's part of it, but we're back to my original point. We have politicians promising benefits to foreign usurpers. Can't really blame the uneducated non Europeans though.. Who wouldn't take up the offer of free stuff? Get rid of the reason they want to come here and they'll stop coming.

[–]workunit13 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Birth rates are due to the intelligent people realizing life will be too hard to raise children.

This is a failure of government because its essentially slavery, not feminism this time.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (14 children)

I have to say, that there is no long term solution to this problem, other than a complete rollback to marriage 1.0, which will never happen as long as woman have a voting right. Repealing women's suffrage completely would be the only long term solution. A couple decades ago, were woman had the same opportunities wise, the birthrate wasn't this low. After the state and the jobmarket started to pander to woman only, more woman than ever were getting university education. You know the story, it is the same in the US.

Men are devalued, because they aren't the only possible provider anymore. Woman earn even more than men in the under 30 demograpic. But my goverment still tries to push the same 77 cents to a dollar argument.

Men and boys are dehumanized in the education system, female behavior is the norm, boys being boys are treated like defective females.

Oh and German woman are shit, looks wise and mentally fucked up. Add this to what was stated in the OP.

tl;dr misandric family/divorce laws females get pandered to exclusively at any level of gouverment and in education fucked up females (either mentally or physically) men are feminised, due to lack of male spaces and male role models

[–]Subtletorious 8 points9 points  (8 children)

None of those issues or suggested policies will change the simple fact: couples don't need to have children.

[–]Kanyin 7 points7 points [recovered]

You kinda forget how reproduction is a biological imperative and extremely hard to ignore.

[–]Subtletorious 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Hard to ignore? The fact we are talking about entire nations that can't maintain their populations shows it is something which can be "ignored".

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Solution: Make marriage laws fair. Mandatory Pre-nup, Restore Fault divorce. Stop alimony and child support.

Future if solution is not applied: Women marrying other women and divorcing, splitting visitation rights over their test tube baby.

[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Future if solution is not applied: Women marrying other women and divorcing, splitting visitation rights over their test tube baby.

But still demanding that men "man up" and pay for their kids, via bachelor taxes, while they, the mothers, continue their crucial work in the local community theater group, because art.

[–]Longstreet101 6 points7 points  (2 children)

This whole country, its cultural, socially and political fucked up in so many ways... Most people don't want to see everything is in decline, still thinking everything is going to be alright.

[–]1raceAround126 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Given the professional working world is geared up to prioritize women, isn't it obvious that middle class women are preferring those routes?

Of all the girls I've known over the past year or so, I could only count a handful of them with any decent standard of education. And most of those wouldn't even consider a long term relationship despite barrelling towards being 30.

However, a lot of the lower-class or working-class (however you want to put it) women are definitely maintaining that strategy of beta bucks.

Given the quality of women that men have available to them, the choice of poor slut who wants a free ride or bust leads to things like MGTOW.

Personally if I was in the market for an LTR, a girl who has never had a job and been looked after by Big Brother State wouldn't even be on the list.

[–]onepill_twopill 13 points14 points  (16 children)

I think the Germans will be the first or second to rebel against this though. I've been looking at a fair bit of German culture and history and I reckon that as soon as they get ticked off enough, no more mr nice guy. I mean, they had some of europe's first Anti-Islam protests.

[–]LongtimeRPLurker 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Lol, I'm a German and I can assure you that most Germans don't have a single rebellious bone in them. This is the mentality of the average German: http://i.imgur.com/HfdyDFO.jpg

[–]RedAdalwolf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't think any western nation is going to "rebel." This was a war of the mind that was lost decades ago.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well, stop bitching about it and either : try to change it or go live your life, in a country where most males are betas, you'll live as a king if you want it.

Evolution my friend, weak things will disappear and be replaced by stronger things, stronger as in stronger, not as in moral or logical or right.

edit : why would you even want to save a feminist country from collapsing, they wouldn't do shit for you if the roles were reversed, and empires come and go, plague, religion, communism, now it's feminism, and it's not good or bad, it's natural. You'd think the cause of the regress in birth rate is obvious, we can see it's because men don't want to get fucked by having children, but the vast majority of the population are either betas or feminists, and frankly, they don't deserve to be saved, the matrix attains a point when it should be restarted, wiped out and recreated, it's not the first or the second or even the last time.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've heard that by the end of this century, Muslims will be the majority of the population in Germany.

The Muslim patriarchal family structure will reproduce faster, immigrate faster, and eventually dominate German culture.

There is a reason why no "matriarchy" has ever survived in human history without tall mountains or wide oceans to protect it.

I wonder what Germany will look like in 50 years?

[–]1sardinemanR 35 points36 points  (40 children)

The world was fine with 1/10th of the current population, I promise you it will be fine with 9/10ths or even 1/2 the current population. This "crisis" is media manufactured, and also partly a fear by bankers and the other parasite classes that they might actually have to do real work again, without more ponzi slaves to take advantage of.

Just stick to TRP principles and take care of yourself. And then when it's time to go, it's time to go, you didn't think you would live forever did you? I don't see why it matters. You're a man, you were always expected to take care of yourself and work as long as you could, what changed? The fact that you might get paid more and valued more if there are less people around? Uh, that's not a negative...for an RP man.

[–]HAMMURABl 37 points38 points  (6 children)

The world was fine with 1/10th of the current population, I promise you it will be fine with 9/10ths or even 1/2 the current population.

yup. but wait and see how the world will look after a 90% decline of white population and an increase of muslim/african population.

[–]magus678 9 points10 points  (26 children)

I see the "population decline" posited as a boogeyman on TRP quite a bit, and what is really being said is that the "wrong" people are being born. In this case, wrong usually being non-white people. I mean world population is increasing, to the tune of about 10 billion by 2050.

Ignoring all the social/political posturing about those numbers, the simple fact is that ecologically they aren't sustainable at anything approaching the American standard of living. The current population couldn't be sustained at the American standard of living. Strangely, one of the few benefits to come out of feminism might be it's reduction of birthrate and population.

Most of the conversation people have on this subject boils down to a bunch of people fighting over who gets to wear the captain's hat, while the ship itself is sinking. Basically, the kind of shit women do.

[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The world was fine with 1/10th of the current population

Just a whole lot poorer. Sure hope productivity gains are incredible between now and a return to that population, otherwise...

[–]1sardinemanR 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Lower populations=wealthier due to more resources per person.

If you want to see poor, go to a high population area...like India. That is poor. All the people there don't make them rich.

[–]aakksshhaayy 8 points9 points  (2 children)

That's great and all but Japan is one of the sexist countries in the world... the feminist movement is much smaller and very different there than the modern feminism of western countries. So how can you explain their low birth rates due to feminism?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I would not blame feminism on this. Germany is not that bad regarding divorce. For example sex withdrawal is valid reason (for men) to divorce. And it is not uncommon for men to get full custody.

Problem is with status, jobs (overqualified mentality) and general sentiment in society.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Germany hates kids. Simple as that.

[–]Zachar1a 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Mr Probst said the country would need young immigrant workers

In other words, more Muslims. You know, those people who still raise families.

[–]privated1ck 3 points4 points  (3 children)

All this population decline has happened since the destruction of the two-parent, one-income home that--as some of us witnessed--happened in the '70s and continues through today. Where are birth rates steady and rising? In nuclear families with strong religious faith, in areas not plagued by dictatorship and war.

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What is this?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh and the climate for young entrepreneurs without capital is not friendly.

[–]ChairBorneMGTOW 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Face it - making the world "fair" and "secure" and "comfortable" and "affluent" eventually destroys our will to live. For 20,000 years we sustained ourselves through our drive to overcome adversity. Remove adversity and we lose our drive.

That's why socialism always fails.

(Posted this as a response but I think it's more pertinent than a simple reply to a single point:)

[–]CornyHoosier 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Every man in here should take a good look at themselves. We are the men our grandparents wanted their grand children to be. We all have our weaknesses, but our strengths are so much more than our parents.

Overall the men of America are taller, stronger, more educated, more traveled & wealthier than any American before us. If you've taken TRP knowledge to heart, then you're well-groomed, financially stable (or on the right path), know how to interact with others & have control over your own emotions. Many of us here, myself included, have made significant strides in bettering ourselves and have seen real results. I know exactly who I used to be, so know in what areas I have progressed.

We young men are the ones being blamed for societies failures. A society that we've barely been apart of, and certainly don't have any congressional representation in. It's unfortunate that a large portion of our society does not realize that things have significantly changed since they were our age. I will not be caged into marriage and I will not be caged into an unwanted pregnancy. I'm too smart for that.

[–]Veles11 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Most men in first world countries are now realizing that having children leaves them in an absolutely ridiculous situation. You basically relinquish all of your free time, have a women controlling many aspects of your life, AND you're paying hundreds of thousands $ over 18 years (more since you'll be paying for uni probably)

A lot of people, myself included, would want to have a son after they are well off financially, but for me the costs really outweigh the benefits.

[–]seius 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was talking to my girlfriend about this, and how it's going to continue to get worse until the system resets back to normal, and the muslims will be the majority oppressing the women again. Maybe it's just a cycle though, and they will get feminized too, and it will be reset by the next again.

[–]Lord_Varys 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We will run into a Malthusian wall or a Keynesian one. All "advanced society" is built on the premise of growth. A growing younger population and a growing economy to sustain a smaller aging population through social programs.

What happens when you starve the beast?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Australian solution - target of 3 kids per couple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f80VFTnGfYw

"You should have one for the father, one for the mother and one for the country. If you want to fix the ageing demographic, that's what you do," urged Treasurer Peter Costello in the climactic throes of Tuesday's federal budget.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Your demographic is not my problem," replied me.

[–]FaustoRMD 10 points11 points  (1 child)

This is what the elite wanted. Countries without identity and without family, individuals without power, depending of the government.

[–]l0ng_time_lurker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, it´s all about replacing statehood with corporations - a healthy family of 4+ is the smallest element of a state - Marxists / Anarchists have been fighting the family-ideal for decades - the founders of the swedish model of state-run-day care for toddlers - which was hailed as a womens´lib achievement to enable them to keep working while being a mother - has , IMHO, only one agenda: weaken the familiy and personal influence on instilling your own values into your child. The end-game is a fragmented society or not even one but several sub-socities that can be more easily governed.

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[–]HAMMURABl 33 points34 points  (13 children)

Trust me, Germany 2015 is like the opposite of Germany 1935. As op said, todays germany will push for more women working and more immigrants to counter the ever declining birth rate.

The causal thinking of "more women working" » "less babies" can MAYBE be seen by the average german, but solutions of sort "women staying more at home would solve the demographic catastrophe" are completely anathema to him.

Its like the germans cant find a stable midpoint, they have to go from one extreme to the other.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (11 children)

I'm fascinated by what will happen in Germany. Will another leader arise to take back the country, or will it become a nation of towelhead nutjobs? Eighty years from a proud German people to a weak, castrated German people, will there be a German people in another eighty years?

[–]kalstate 6 points7 points  (4 children)

will there be a German people in another eighty years?

Of course, they're called Amish.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

There are no Amish in Germany, and the Amish in America have neither a German identity nor a German state.

That is to say, they're German in the same way that white Americans are European.

[–]1London-Bananas 5 points6 points  (2 children)

women were excluded from medical professions

Not the best idea if you plan on starting a world war within the foreseeable future

[–]Wtfiwwpt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Multiculturism is the leading edge of a global depression. Instead of extending a helping hand to "3rd world nations", we are extending a free citizenship to a "1st world nation". The drag on developed nations will grow exponentially until the system breaks down, ushering in a economic depression worldwide. In no case will this lead to "the rich" being any less rich. But it will mean the destruction of the middle class, demoting them to low class to join all the imported citizens that brought the system down.

[–]olican101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So, what? you want to force people to have children? As a homosexual male, i object pretty heavily to this.

[–]TimeHoTraveler 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sometimes I don't know if I am on the red pill or stormfront

[–]PlanB_pedofile 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I don't get it why rich healthy economic and middle class countries tend to have less children than poor countries.

The childfree or two children is by choice while the poor are breeding 4 to 6 at a time.

This isn't just birth control and sex ed.

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What is this?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a lot more that goes into birth rates than simple feminism but the culture of today has certainly contributed.

Birth rates fall with affluence usually (obvious exceptions at certain times in history). This has been observed as far back as the Roman Republic.

Contraception wasn't widely available until the last 70ish years

And any time there are major economic and geopolitical crisis both rates fall. Birth rates also fell during the 1970's and prior to that in the 30's and 40's etc. etc.

Right now the west is at a major extreme with birth rates but in 5 or so years if the economy turns around you'll see millennials (by then 20-40) will start blasting out kids like crazy

[–]DaphneDK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When looking at it from the outside, it's also a genetic experiment on a unprecedented scale. The future belongs to those that have children. Both the genetic line as well as the culture of those segments of society that are not having children will die off. By all accounts Christians and conservatives ought to be looking at a revival a few decades down the line.

[–]Cmon_Just_The_Tip 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's sad. Really sad. Look, I don't wanna start a debate on eugenics, but not having nordic people reproduce in big numbers is a fucking shame. You'd be a fool to not acknowledge that genetic pool is fucking gold.

The women have amazing hair, eyes and complexion. They produce solid offspring. And the guys are just fucking studs. Tall, incredibly good looking.

Call me hitler for all I care, but those are clearly genes worthy of being passed.

What a shame it would be if their women increasingly received weak beta seed and raised even more chumps.

[–]hamstercide 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Quick! We need more 3rd world immigrants!

[–]whatgold 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This reminds me of quantitative easing in the United States. If 1 round of QE doesn't work, do some more!

I have a hard time believing people are legitimately this stupid. There is evil at work.

[–]frys180 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People are incredibly stupid. Never underestimate them.

[–]shuaiya 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Where's the problem, isn't a low birth rate a good thing now? Japan and Germany should be given an award.

[–]monzzter221 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The reason this is happening in a country like Germany, where the work hours are lower, the pay is higher, and the healthcare is good, is not economic.

It is 100% social. Men want children. We do. We want families.

But there's no incentive. When you put your life into your family, and there's no security there, no socially pressured reciprocation, the result is what many of us here have come to realize. We can never have the family life we want. We can't have the kids that we teach how to be people, because the school will teach them otherwise. We can't have the wives that take care of them, that have that glow they get when they are happy taking care of a house and kids all day, because they are taught that it is dehumanizing and shameful to be that woman.

We opt out. And western countries are starting to feel the effects of it. They are starting to see just how important a mans incentive to start a family is.

[–]cock_pussy_up 13 points14 points  (36 children)

I think the way to solve the low birth rate problem is to remove women from schools and the workforce and give men priority in education and employment. That would provide a larger pool of "marriageable" men, make women less picky (hypergamy), more dependent on men, and give them more time for breeding without competition from education and employment demands.

Of course that solution is totally unacceptable to the ideology of the West. So, instead, they'll just keep on importing foreign immigrants until their nation is largely made up of people of foreign descent.

[–]castaway102 25 points25 points [recovered]

I don't belong in this thread, because I'm not a TRPer. What you're saying is confusing. One of the TRP philosophies is that women seek men who are rich and successful and will look after them, and that that's wrong and women are just users. But, when women internalise this philosophy, and feel that it's wrong to be dependent on a man's money (they earned it, so it's not for the woman) and so get an education and get a job that means they rely on themselves, that's wrong too. Isn't that contradictory?

What do you want from women? This is what it looks like to an oitsider:

  1. Women must be submissive to men.
  2. Women must provide men with 'woman sphere services': food, comfort, sex and loyalty, on demand.
  3. The man does not have an obligation to provide for the woman, but can if he wants.
  4. Women should be out of the economic, political and educational system.

[–]aakksshhaayy 9 points10 points  (1 child)

this guy is just an idiot, he doesn't realize he's basically describing sharia law (limit women from education and work and ultimately basic privileges such as driving, being outside alone, etc.). Man if people in trp upvote this crap then this subreddit is going to shit

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