Blue Pill ExampleThey're waking up -- /r/relationships discovers the AF/BB divide when a woman 'takes it slow' with OP for the first three months by fucking a dude on the side (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by despoticVeracity


tl;dr OP dates a chick for three months. Early on she puts up LMR, asking to 'take it slow'. OP agrees. Three months in, he finds out from a friend she's fucking someone else. OP confronts her. She admits it. OP turned to the sub for advice.

The facts aren't all that interesting. We've seen it happen plenty of times before. What's interesting is the sub's reaction to it.

Firstly, we see the overwhelming response is to dump her. In fact, out of all top-level comments, only one suggests staying with her, and it's sitting on -7, the lowest in the thread.

Secondly, any suggestion of the woman being in the right is poorly received. TheMomerathOutgrabe, Chilling_Music and Stembio all end up downvoted for their comments. Furthermore, they approach it from a hesitant, 'technically not wrong' perspective, with lots of fogging:

Yeah.... I'm not saying what she did was fair to him.


Devil's advocate... I'm not necessarily defending her, but this MIGHT be where she's coming from.

Furthermore, their approaches are based around their locations.

where I'm from, it's ALWAYS assumed that people are going to be dating/fucking around until the "let's be exclusive" conversation happens.

Of course, it comes out that these people are in San Fran and NYC, in the heart of it.

Thirdly, there is an awareness of the AF/BB divide.

This isn't about obligation, it's about comparing yourself to the other lover and realizing that she likes you a whole lot less. you're a wallet.


Dude if she really was into you, she wouldn't be interested in anyone else, especially not this early when it's still honeymoon phase. I don't know why she feels to need to play you, maybe she likes the attention or maybe you make good money... Either way she's not really that into you.


You're listed in her phone as "free dinner."


She's holding out for a relationship with him, he doesn't want one and is stringing her along just like she's stringing you along. You're her fallback plan in case he ditches her


You are her planB and she clearly does not think much of you (no offense) I say dump her and move on. She is using you for free dinners.


So you get to buy Her dinner and he gets to fuck her? Lol bail dude


I wonder if one of the reasons that it feels slimy is that it feels like she thinks you're the "nice guy" who may be marriage material so she's pretending to be a "good girl" who waits for sex. But the fact that she's sleeping with him makes it seem like he's sexy to her and you're not. Yuck. Hold out for someone who really wants you.


This'll hurt, but let me give it to you straight: She wants a relationship with the other guy, he's content with banging her without the commitment and she's keeping you on hold as 1) leverage to use against him and 2)a fallback when he moves on. The thing is, when he does ditch her, and she starts dating you, he'll be back and she'll just cheat on you. Move on, nothing for you here except disappointment and pain.

There's also this interaction:

TheMexican007: She was stringing you along, you were her safety net for when she got tired of fucking the other guy, she could just fall in with you.

Mongfight: *when he got tired of fucking her

TheMexican007: Touché

One person even mentions it by name:

I generally don't like the whole seduction alpha thing, but Alpha fucks, beta bucks. Seems like she is trying to rope you in for a relationship (security, maybe resources) while getting it in on the side. Dump her sorry ass and don't look back.


this post just screams beta. stop getting cucked without even the benefit of getting your own dick wet. cut off all contact and move on.

Fourthly, we begin to see some backlash against sex-positive feminism.

When someone asks 'who in their right minds thinks it's okay', he gets this response:

My guess is the "sex-positive", super "liberated", third-wave feminist, female college student type. Whoring around while in a relationship with someone else, how "empowering". You'll notice the type in some of the comments on this thread.

There's this salient comment:

Dude, if you're looking for commitment...then don't date sluts.

Does this indicate a 'rising up'? I don't think so. Rather, these are opinions that have always been there. TRP just says what everyone else thinks.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 133 points134 points  (5 children)

You're listed in her phone as "free dinner."

This is the red pill adrenaline injection straight to the heart.

[–]lugubriusTRP 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I wish someone told me that when im bluepill, and ill use it for any guy that is getting used. So effective.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 62 points63 points  (0 children)

Bingo... dont tell them he's beta bucks... Tell him he's listed as free dinner. That'll get the same reaction without the backlash of potentially being declared an evil misogynist pig in real life.

[–]lIlIIIlll 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Or as Charlie sheen would call it, a "violent torpedo of truth"

[–]Jeffrey_Forbes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I signed in just because of that quote, laughed so hard at how true it was.

[–][deleted] 106 points107 points  (4 children)

I was so flustered and upset I didn't even kiss her goodbye and left.

Jesus Christ...somebody put this guy out of his misery.

[–]JanLul 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Many of us here were as blind as a bat too. Hopefully for him, this will function as a wake-up call. If not, too bad.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Plot twist: she didn't even give a shit that he didn't kiss her. Kisses and physical affection are not what she is after with this guy.

[–]Pointless_Endeavors 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Although I know what you say is truth, it still hurts a bit to read.

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't even kiss her goodbye and left.

Watch out, we got a bad ass over here

[–]Linrraba 134 points135 points  (43 children)

All those replies are good but not enough. Telling him to bail is a good start but they should talk about how to avoid it from happening again. Too little done to say they're rising up.

[–]CoriolanusRevisited 60 points61 points  (34 children)

The first step in learning to avoid certain problematic situations is recognizing they are problems in the first place. A great deal of men are ostensibly happy with getting to take a girl out to expensive dinners with only the glimmer of a chance of one day fucking her.

[–]SwissPablo 42 points43 points  (32 children)

Wanting to take it slow is a huge red flag that every man should be looking out for. If a woman is properly into a man she'll want to take it very fast indeed. It's a simple but powerful bit of knowledge that can save so much grief.

[–]_the_shape_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly, and all it's permutations: "baby steps", "let's just go with the flow and see where this leads", "let's not rush into anything", basically anything that amounts to hitting the brakes.

I think the dude's who get suckered into this sort of thing probably either a) never had a girl try to immediately claw their clothes off shortly after meeting one another aka "alpha fux" or b) experienced it and chalked it up to a girl being nothing more than a slut, "good girls" aren't like that (NAWALT).

Nah dude, she will not just immediately fuck, but also agree to taking up the @ss (despite never having done so) with certain dudes, and unfortunately, you aren't one of them. Move along. Nothing else to see here..

[–]yumyumgivemesome 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Relationships advice: Hold out for someone who will love you for who you are :)

TheRedPill advice: Man the fuck up and strive to become the man that she and other women will want to fuck.

[–]ModAerobus 1 point2 points  (5 children)

The question is will he listen to such advice. How many people do you think are aware of TRP but refuse to accept it because of how it much it hurts their feelings. Those people are out there and they are not small in number.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 4 points5 points  (2 children)

How many people do you think are aware of TRP but refuse to accept it

Hopefully a lot.

You know, in some sense, that top 20% is zero-sum. If you manage to claw your way into that group, you have pushed someone else out.

Imagine 100 men who qualify as extremely high value alphas. I guarantee that if you dropped them on an island with 100 women, the very first thing that's going to happen is that one of those dudes is going to lock down two women. This is not a criticism of the men or the women (I point out for the sad blue pillers who lurk here). It's just the way our species works. This is reality.

That guy who got two girls just pushed one of the other poor bastards into beta-hood. A guy who, back in the regular world, was one of the top 20%, is now in a situation where he can't get a date.

So, I for one and perfectly happy with guys refusing to accept TRP.

[–]ModAerobus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So, I for one and perfectly happy with guys refusing to accept TRP.

I agree with you, it's just painful to watch friends follow the BP narrative. Already I've begun losing some of y friends that were single because they decided they wanted to get a girlfriend, and are acting like beta providers to them. I asked one person why he got a girlfriend, and his answer was "because that's what your supposed to do when you grow up."

I get that TRP says you should ditch these people because they add no value to your life, but some of these people, that guy included, is a guy I've known since middle school. It's painful to see what bluepill programming does.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How many people do you think are aware of TRP but refuse to accept it because of how it much it hurts their feelings.

Or the people who accept and understand it but refuse to do anything about their situation because putting in an effort to be one step above dog shit is "too much work".

(turns on TV)

[–]moose_war 70 points71 points  (3 children)

Redpill teachings totally wouldn't have come in handy for this guy...nope...not one bit. We're just evil misogynists.

[–]TheGillos 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Yea, to hell with 3 months. 3 dates, maybe, but you should know if she wants you after 1 date.

[–]SlappaDaBayssMon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

RP teachings are what ruined this girls back-up plan - that's where all the backlash really comes from.

[–]whaturpriceforflight 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Teach a man to break up and you'll save him from 1 cheating whore. Teach a man to improve his SMV and he'll fuck for a lifetime.

[–]Glenbert 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fantastic. Although, simply being able to break up boosts your SMV relative to all the AFCs out there.

[–]1London-Bananas 58 points59 points  (6 children)

A lot of times RP advice gets high scores on that sub, you just need to tell it PC

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (5 children)

These days you gotta say everything pc...

[–]Pointless_Endeavors 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yup. Jerry "Airplane Peanuts" Seinfeld finds college campuses to much of a hassle to do gigs at.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, my comedian friends say many many established comedians don't even go close to colleges. My favorite man ever george carlin was one of them

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is it really any different though than it's ever been though?

When I go to work, I avoid using certain words or saying certain things because I know it's just going to stir up some emotional response in my co-workers. I'd get the job done and not get fired, I'll jump through the hoops. I'll also avoid talking to my grandma about PUA tactics, avoid talking to police about whatever illegal activity I might have done, and not mention to a prof how hung over I was before coming into their class. It will only bring down your reputation.

You don't talk about TRP with your family or whoever you're dating either. That would be like your aunt venting to you about how men are pigs because she can't keep anyone around. You'd probably be a little offended and think you're aunt was kind of a loser for thinking that way. Appropriate conversation for appropriate times. If this stuff is every talked about IRL I would hope that it's only with your closest buds.

[–]1raceAround126 36 points37 points  (10 children)

I am impressed with the advice there. It's almost refreshing.

Sadly it's advice that I bet only a fraction of men would take. A friend of mine had a vaguely similar situation. Despite me telling him a year ago to cut her loose, he still kept on with it, trying to "form the relationship".

He only wised up 5 months later and had a major meltdown which earned him the nickname of "utter psycho" on facebook from this girl and her friends.

No sex = fuck off. That simple. How is that rule not considered just straight up common sense?

Caveat: I may preach, but I put up with a dead bedroom for 8 years. I guess I'm nobody to talk. Nevermind, move along...

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (5 children)

No sex = fuck off

I remember before TRP I told some friends that Two Weeks was my cut off. If I didn't get any sort of sexual interaction within that time frame then its over. They were fucking flabbergasted. They were telling me shit like they would wait a month or two. They started talking about "love". lol

Funnily enough, I never had to use that rule since literally all the girls that had interest in me hooked up with me on the first or second day our intentions were known.

Now my rule is Two Dates. I am lenient... just in case they actually have a good reason why we can't do anything the first time. A second date without anything is just a lost cause; cut sling load.

[–]Smooovies 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Two dates? That's one free meal too many for me.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Who said I would pay for their food?

Always pay your share. Never hers.

[–]The_BeardedGentleman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God even when I was a beta bitch two dates was my cut off. You atleast had to lick my dick by then. I've had friends date for seemingly years without anything more than making out and it makes me cringe for days.

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Calibrate the number to the girl. Push for a first date lay with the "good girl" but hopefully she actually doesnt go for it. "Good girls" usually at least wait for 3 dates and they give in if theyre attracted to you. 3-4 is the hard limit. Some girls only get the one shot though

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Sadly it's advice that I bet only a fraction of men would take.

I think if someone explicitly asks for advice and literally everyone is telling him the same, odds are he'll at least contemplate it.

[–]torodinson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuck it man, a hard learned lesson is still learned.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a friend who went through similar shit. It's your typical situation where you have a dorky beta guy chasing after a female wannabe SJW (I say "wannabe SJW" because our society needs to focus on some social injustices that actually need solving to build our national morale in the US; you know it's an issue when your own citizens are joining terrorist organizations, I digress).

I told this guy multiple times that she was just using him for attention, she's probably seeing other guys etc.. Tried telling him that women despise men who act like desperate little cowards and beg for them back. Nope nothing.

I wound up cutting the kid out of my friend circle because I don't want to associate with men as pathetic as him. His lack of boundaries to me demonstrated that he'll let anyone act that way with him as long as they have a vagina. He's also canceled hangouts that were well planned because this shitty girl called him 5 minutes before we were about to meet up (not even to fuck him, just to talk).

Barf. Sorry, I don't associate with losers. Especially when they're too stupid to take the advice from a decade old friend over a girl they met 2 months ago. I would say "have fun getting divorce raped when you're older you sucker." But men like him will never have anything more to offer than a $10/hour paycheck and their own bedroom at mommy and daddy's house.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

One of the worst feelings in the world is realizing that you're the beta bucks. It hurts no matter how long it takes. Guy lucked out and found out within three months, so at least he has that going for him. As much as it hurts to find out, I think it's probably one of the most important kicks in the ass for a man to receive.

[–]saibot83 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Correction: That she thinks you're beta bucks. That's when you cut contact. Bitches need to have their arrogance in check.

[–]foldpak111 12 points13 points  (2 children)

If TRP is so wrong, why is everyone giving a TRP response. Strange...

[–]BlatantTRPThrowaway 29 points30 points  (24 children)

I've thought this from the beginning, and I still think this: that subreddit is fertile ground to spread the TRP message without all the negative TRP labels. I don't even get why people on TRP rag on that subreddit so much, since the user base there is generally:

  • Very respectful of honesty
  • Encourages posters to have standards
  • ...Other things that actually make healthy romantic relationships

Should TRP ever die and Puerarchy not take off, permitting the sub to co-opt our language (hypergamy, branch-swinging, alpha fucks/beta bucks) has the potential to do an enormous amount of good for men and women alike. Knowledge of core truths makes us closer to the world as it is and as it should be; that is a good thing, so I'm happy to see this link, OP.

(Whether spreading TRP is a good idea is a whole other matter.)

[–]ThePillIsRed 51 points51 points [recovered]

People rag about relationshits because untill 2 weeks ago if you posted something like "my wife is cheating on me, what should i do" the go-to response would be "forgive her she was confused/drunk/you didnt clean enough/he raped her/go to counseling".

Not to mention the numerous "past doesnt matter" or "now she's with you, you're insecure" or "IM NOT LIKE THAT, I LIKE BETA PUSHOVERS!!" or "its just a fantasy, you should totally be ok with her watching cuckold porn" or "wtf, just let her go clubbing with her girls and come home wasted 12h laters stop being controlling!!" or "you should care about her enough to be willing to try an open relationship!"

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 10 points11 points  (5 children)

My bro and I had a drinking game for a while called the "/r/ relationships Game". Here's how you play:

  1. Pick a random thread
  2. Each player guesses how many times the word "counseling" would be found in the comments section
  3. Type CTRL+F to bring up the Find function on your computer
  4. Whoever guessed closest without going over was the winner, other player(s) have to take a shot.

It's fun because "counseling" is the /r/ relationships answer to pretty much every problem in relationships. If everyone went to counseling the divorce rate would be 0%. It doesn't matter if your wife hires a big black guy to strap you to a chair and force you to watch him fuck her in the ass repeatedly for 10 straight hours, you could fix the problem with (you guessed it) "counseling".

[–]1independentmale 11 points12 points  (4 children)

A Red Pill man should never do counseling. Ever.

Here's how it works: You pay $150-250 per hour to listen to your woman bitch to a complete stranger about everything that is wrong in the relationship. Then you continue paying by the hour while you listen to the counselor explain how it's all your fault and give you a list of things you need to be doing to make things work. It is designed to shame you into obedience and compliance with whatever whims your woman may have.

If your relationship "needs counseling," it's over. End it and stop the financial and emotional hemorrhaging.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 11 points12 points  (3 children)

The whole relationship counseling industry is basically a massive exploitation, writ large, of the Sunk Cost Fallacy. It encourages miserable couples to remain together and miserable in order to make money off of them. How many times have both women and counselors used the following shaming language on men:

"But honey, do you really want to throw away [X] years of our relationship over this one little problem (of me sleeping with Antonio on Spring Break?) Let's try counseling!!!"

At which point she will tell the counselor how she only banged Antonio in a beach bar bathroom because you weren't "there for her emotionally".

[–]Tofitrightin 2 points2 points [recovered]

I've never understood the point of consoling and why it seems to be the "go to" thing instantly when something is rocky in a relationship. I'm married and when some shit comes up I get her over it right then, there is no "working on it" crap.

I had a friend with a dead bedroom, they did counseling, and it even (kinda) worked because the counselor, a woman, basically told his wife its not acceptable to not have sex with your husband.

If I need someone outside of my marriage to tell my wife that, I might as well just hand in my penis.

[–]totorox 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've never understood the point of consoling

I think you nailed it with your spelling mistake. The point of counseling is consoling the woman, as in dildoing her feelings.

[–]dan_legend 12 points13 points  (3 children)

untill 2 weeks ago

This the r/relationships I know from my start on reddit. What has happened over the last two weeks?

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (0 children)


People just cherry pick the threads they want to post.

Relationships is still shit.

[–]Hoodwink 6 points6 points [recovered]

It has gotten better because they're usually no longer just taking the woman's side every single time (unless she admits guilt).

But, it's still pretty bad because there are a ton of women there who will defend every woman and shame men for even thinking women aren't perfect angels.

[–]totorox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't stand that sub. I'm banned from there and get any new account I make banned in a few comments. You cant say shit, piss, cunt etc and i dont feel like saying offensive things over here anyway because i respect and look up to you guys. You cant say anything there, it's stifling. You know what they're lacking but no no you'd have to use circomvoluted, self-censoring language to say it. It's unbearable.

And if you do use your best rules-respecting language to explain shit to them you get called a MRA, redpiller, misogynist and so on. Eesh I just can't stand the vaginism of those subreddits.

And it is unnerving because so many OPs are begging to get redpill advice whether they like it or not when given. You're holding the golden rod but they will find it gross because it hurts their cultural brainwashing. So in order to reach out to them efficiently you'd need to emulate their thought process and put yourself in their tiny shoes. Putting the coat back on of all the bullshit that you're so happy to have gotten free of.

Really it's like that sub and others like it are designed to be a protection cocoon for the lies and slavery that keep marks enchained. It's so much more effective to be in a free speech space where you can break people out of their molds in a few words (if they accept them).

[–]libertypole 9 points10 points  (7 children)

not sure what forum you've been reading.


some chick is having PMS about some random comment her bf made at the gym. 60 straight commenters decide he must be a misogynistic shitlord and she needs to pack her bag now before herself and her cat are killed with chainsaws.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Holy shit, that thread.

that this man has broken your spirit and you are looking inwards, trying to place the onus on you for everything that's going wrong

WHAT! How does correcting her shitty plank form equate to this?!

Your boyfriend insisted on commenting about it because he just had to be right. He had to win. And that's the really troubling part

The fuck? He was getting frustrated that she wasn't doing it correctly. I know that I sometimes get frustrated if someone wanted me to help them with exercising and they were being fucking ignorant. The OP "played Rugby", so I am assuming she is a bigger girl. He probably thinks he can change her into someone attractive and slimmer.

And here's the best part:

Take your cat with you when you leave. Abusers often turn their abuse on family pets in order to hurt or further control the abuse victim.


OP's boyfriend corrects plank form. He gets frustrated when she is being stubborn as fuck. He must be an abuser.

[–]TitsAndWhiskey 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He should go to counseling.

[–]dan_legend 11 points12 points  (2 children)

That is hilarious "You're lucky I'm saving you thousands of dollars a month personal training you for free"

He is a shitlord asshole douchebag, leave him now and never talk to him again.

If a girl sluts around and cheats they tell every man poster to go to threapy for their 1 month relationship and try to work on it so they can have kids together one day.

[–]libertypole 9 points10 points  (1 child)

it's like it's not real life to those people commenting. i randomly included that shit about the cat being chainsawed for obvious dramatic effect, but i just went back and looked over the comments and sure enough there's someone telling her to make sure she looks out for the cat because abusers will harm your pets. what sad lives those people must lead to assume every man must be a crazy shithead.

[–]HellbillyDeluxe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Most of them grew up on the Lifetime channel movies and infotainment media, they are conditioned to think all men are crazy shithead murderers. Those movies and media sources have also provided great fodder for their hamsters to come up with rationalizations for their own bad behavior. "Oh well he's just like those other crazy shithead murderers I have seen and read about. Can't believe he would say he was saving me thousands training me for free, what a dick (texts chad immediately)."

[–]Squeezymypenisy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol the last part she bitches about him wanting to constantly improve her. The goal of most of humanity has been absolute perfection for years.

[–]BlatantTRPThrowaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's fucking hilarious.

Note that I never said every thread would be a winner. I just know the culture of that sub pretty well, since I'm a regular contributor there on my main. The culture is much more reflective of OP's post than this feels-before-reals garbage.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In the other thread about the guy artificially inflating his SMV on FB, I said they'd catch on if too many of us did it.

But really, too many people can't catch onto TRP, otherwise women will catch on too. yet at the same time, we can't really spread TRP people gotta find it for themselves.

I remember way back when I read The Game, Neil Strauss towards the end of the book has his natural aptitude for conversation picked apart into canned lines and everyone is using them. He uses one of his openers on a girl and she says he's like the third guy who's said that tonight.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That sub did not always used to be that way. It wasn't long ago that it was pretty much a watered down version of AskWomen.

There was a time when a guy could find out that his wife just had an anal-train gangbang with three black guys, a mexican, and a polish midget, and when the guy told relationships that he wanted to break up with her, they would shame him as "being selfish", tell him that he should "go to counseling", and that he should "consider her feelings", and that she was probably "just confused".

And conversely, any time a woman said "my BF found out that in college I fucked more cocks than an industrial chicken farm, and now he thinks I'm gross and wants to break up", they would call the BF "insecure" and say "your partner count never ever matters" and that "it's none of his business" or that "you should break up with him" or "he can't handle a sex positive woman" shame shame shame on the BF.

Women could literally do no wrong on that sub up until about 3 months ago.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What happened 3 months ago?

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Nothing new; you'll find loads of fucktards in relationships, but the majority is quite aware when a guy is obviously taken advantage of and strung along - especially when it comes to cases that are as egregious as this one.

That's one thing that bugs me about the TRP-sub - people seem to think that there's only either being a redpiller or a pro-feminist cuckold-fetish mangina.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Naw man there are other options other than bluepill beta and redpill alpha. Here are more rare combinations...

I mean there are blue pill alphas out there, red pill betas, TRP MGTOWs and TRP MRAs too.

Fact of the matter is other than blue pill alphas we're all here to show men how to lead a better life. Not everyone is going to like the red pill alpha heavy focus on slaying pussy and fucking sluts after all.

[–]Kozma37 2 points3 points  (0 children)

See this is why I look for the type of information that TRP has. Growing up without a dad left me pretty blind. It's not all about slaying the beavers. Learning how to improve yourself so you can be a better man is why I stay on TRP.

[–]Luckyluke23 14 points15 points  (0 children)

this is the most rp thing to come out of that sub like ever... maybe the jig is up for these women now?

[–]rojo-pildora 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hahahaha! Reminds me of a plate I was spinning for a bit. She was all about fucking me. Nothing was off limits with this girl. She knew she wasn't going to be anything other than a fuck toy. Apparently the whole time she was grooming this other guy to be her bf. One day she said 'we can't fuck anymore I have a boyfriend now'. Which I was cool with. She started raising flags.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

where I'm from, it's ALWAYS assumed that people are going to be dating/fucking around until the "let's be exclusive" conversation happens.

The toughest part of tRP for me to swallow was the don't expect her loyalty. Even if you are fucking her good.

I'm just starting to see how that sets me free. like most of us it comes from pain and being hurt followed by working through the anger phase

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A man may be loyal to his friend, his woman, his country...

A woman doesn't have any loyalty to a man. It's not that she is bad for it, or somehow defective. She just does not come from the factory equipped with that feature, nor does she have any use for it. Her role is completely different, she is to bear babies and see them grow up into the next generation, not take stupid risks with her reproductive life for the sake of some abstract "loyalty", which is an exclusively male adventure & gamble anyway.

All she can do is playact like she has that loyalty to her man, usually for the sake of his perverted ego. She will do it, if she thinks that gets her something she wants from the man. She can be very consistent and true to life with this. The man may even be decieved and think he just found himself a loyal girl, not like the rest.

The red line of thinking simply leads you to the recognition that "Nope, she is still not loyal to him, she is acting loyal. " And this is very liberating at heart, for both men and women, to recognize and understand each other as they are instead of as we're "supposed to be".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)


I agree totally. The idea of a female I am involved with fucking another dude disgusts me, even if I am getting 80% and he is getting 20% and he is the beta. Its something I have to work through I guess.

[–]Nicholas_ 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Sometimes I honestly think of just killing myself. The human race on the whole seems so out of touch with everything.

Why has everyone lost a sense of treating others like you would like to be treated? That's what I have always lived by, but the more I get fucked by others, the less I want to live by that mantra.

Really sickens me when I see things like this because I honestly couldn't do that to someone.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

It really is a pity. I have always lived in a similar manner. Recently a girl who I was hooking up with randomly sucker punched me with 'let's just be friends' then proceeded to keep being flirty with me down the line. I cut her off and she was suprised. I simply told her "you know in kindergarten when they teach you the golden rule... well when you treat me like dirt don't be suprised when I return the favor"

[–]Nicholas_ 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So many chicks like that exist nowadays. Thankfully myself I've actually never been friendzoned (probably because I'm a very upfront person about what I want out of a person) but I know a lot of guys have had that similar problem to yourself. It's like the bitch wants her own plaything, a sick power control thing.

You did the right thing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah I've seen it happen to a lot of friends myself. This was my first experience. It really boggles the mind that people can go through life being that manipulative and not have a shred of empathy or self-reflection to see how the ripples of the shit they sling effect people.

[–]Nicholas_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My last relationship changed me in the way that I act cold and harsh towards a new girl.

I will always put in my mind that I'm the man and she's the little girl and that's how I play it out. Never showing any signs of weakness or vunerability to keep her hooked. Do with her as I please sort of thing and if she's REALLY good and well behaved I might cuddle her - but that's a big if.

It's sad but the girl I'm currently with now is more attracted to me than any other girl I've ever been with because of this.

Hollywood lied to you and every male out there.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No worries man. The human race is just fine, the golden rule is alive and well too. The crisis is mostly men in the west being way out of touch with women's true nature. Which has always been despicable at core (by the male standard).

Men are this way because of television and feminist schooling everywhere.

But why would women be judged by the male standard in the first place? If the west was saner, women would have their own standard, and not be expected to perform as men. But again because of the artificial environment teaching men to think women are vulnerable little angels, who are nevertheless somehow "equal" at the same time, you get this psychological clusterfuck, a veritable blindfold for men in the west or anywhere the feminine imperative dominates the landscape unchecked, and down the line it's quite bad for the women too. Unfortunately the majority of women are too shortsighted to recognize just how shafted they'll be when they get to the end of the line on this "empowerment" programme.

Me, I'm buying those cat food stocks, seems a safe bet all around.

[–]1MarcusDavidson 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you. This is a BluePill example done right.

[–]-Quotidian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To a point, I agree: TRP is a place where men speak, think, and feel like men. Men have instincts that they are trained to ignore, but in some cases they cannot be suppressed.

I believe that for every "caste" of male, whether Alpha, Beta, or some other greek letter, there is a threshold where Denial ends and Doubt begins. If you were dosed with the most potent painkiller imaginable and told to stick your hand over an open fire, you would eventually realize your hand had charred to ash…even if you had to wait until the painkiller wore off.

Someone forgot to dose these men with their weekly/monthly blue-pill allotments. Their bodies began to flush the toxins, and their minds slowly came back. Men who disdain their senses and ignore the signals their brains are sending them are not meant for this world. Not for long.

[–]Glenbert 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Anything that upsets the "women are wonderful" narrative is a step in the right direction. The reality is that women are capable of being as fucking horrible as the worst man on the planet. They just have their own sweet little way of getting there.

[–]user_none 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'd say women have the potential, and in all likelihood are worse than most men for one reason alone: they co-opt men to do their dirty work against other men.

In your words, "their own sweet little way of getting there."

[–]Glenbert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Frankly I have more respect for people who get others to do their dirty work for them then I do for people who do dirty work but lack the agency to account for it. People like that are basically the bottom of the barrel.

[–]cxj 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This exact scenario happened to me a few months ago except I was the side piece. Her friend told me "she has another guy shes trying realllly hard not to screw it up with by coming off as slutty, so shes using you in the meanwhile."


It was a hollow victory.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think this happens all the time. We know which side it's better to be on

[–]ChadThundercockII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are her planB

Yeah brah, plan B as in 'plan BetaBucks'. Her plan A (plan AlphaFucks) is worth it.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That sub won't wake up because even when they're able to connect the dots, they refuse to admit the truth, in part because it would mean we, TRP, we're right all along.

[–]2niczar 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Clearly a cluster B, not quite a case of AWALT.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. This is how my relationsip with a cluster B started.

[–]TitsAndWhiskey 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I married one. Jesus Christ what a debacle. I'm lucky I got out alive.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Rolo began his RP journey after a CB.

The more attention we throw at it and the warning signs the better

[–]user_none 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. I started my RP journey after being married to a Lucifer's Daughter. I was ruined during the marriage, and for a time after, and still feel the lingering effects.

[–]1grubek 1 point2 points  (4 children)

They are not discovering AF/BB and they are not waking up. That sub just hates cheaters, men or women.

[–]despoticVeracity[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It wasn't 'technically' cheating as they hadn't had the exclusivity talk.

The sub didn't lambast her on the basis of cheating. Most accepted the technicality. What they got pissed about was denying him sex while screwing someone else. In other words, the AF/BB paradigm.

[–]1grubek -1 points0 points  (1 child)

No, it was not cheating technically, but it was dishonest and deceiving. Close enough, I can guarantee you that sub will never accept something like AF/bb.

[–]despoticVeracity[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Read the thread. They already have.

[–]Glenbert 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Disagree. Absent from this is the typical "women are wonderful" horseshit that brings about all things blue pill. That's a step in the right direction.

[–]aa223 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly I think the replies are alright but it still screams that he won't learn from his past mistakes. I hope the poor soul finds the The Red Pill because so far he have become every single feel-good subreddit aka depression, offmychest, etc but for men and with good reason. Men can't come out easily in those other subreddits because those people are supposed to be biased towards men and sympathetic towards women.

I say give your frustrated, your insecure, your huddled betas yearning to find a place, the wretched refuse which women call. Send these, the men who have been scorned, tossed aside to me, I lift my lamp beside this door.

[–]watersign 0 points1 point  (1 child)

someone needs to build a predictive model for this kind of shit. theres tons of these data points in askrelationships and the trend is continuing!

[–]TitsAndWhiskey 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We already have one. AWALT.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP: "Yep, the more I think about it the more it makes sense she didn't want to have sex was because she was already getting some, not because she honestly wanted to take it slow with me."

The hamster is still strong with the young padawan BPer. He thinks his timing is wrong, not he is wrong (for her, I'm sure he is an otherwise decent human, etc and so forth).

[–]SelfishStoic 1 points1 points [recovered]

Lol, AF/BB will always exist! just cause people learn a few ways of identifying it using some indicators doesn't mean shit. The end result is betas will get a bit more play, but just enough to feel like the girl "cares about him". The loyalties still lie with the alphas, the game doesn't end, it only evolves.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn't really waking up. This is a girl doing AF and BB directly, at the same time, and he finds out.

Usually it's AF for 10 years, then BB, then divorcerape the BB, then back to the AF. And it's all fine because "I'm not that girl any more" followed by "I'm bored". These stories are still believed, it's still all ok. So long as there is no actual provable current deception, as in the case linked. That's going too far, even for most BP people.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone deep down is RP. Men are RP. Women are RP. The reason we have this knowledge almost innately is because we've evolved all it since we crawled out of the ooze. All men deep down feel visceral aversion to sluts. All women deep down feel the need to capitalize on AF/BB. The only reason society is in the predicament it's in is because of the socialization efforts of the feminine imperative. Let's be real, if this guy hadn't been completely indoctrinated from the get go that women should be pedastalized he wouldn't have even made that thread. If I found out a girl I was interested in was sleeping with other guys while stringing me along I'd be out of town before sundown.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (11 children)

Sincere question: is it better to sleep with them early on, or just tough it out and wait?

[–]1raceAround126 4 points5 points  (0 children)

LMR is fun to break through. But keep it up, I'll get bored and go for someone easier. Too much basically makes me think you're either not all that interested, or you're trying to lock me down for some sort of relationship when you haven't earned it yet.

Personally if I don't fuck them by at least the second or MAYBE third time I've seen them if there's a good reason, I'm done. Really, one night stands are piss easy to get and have a fraction of the hassle.

And yes, go ask this question at Red Pill Women; it's more appropriate for you rather than asking us what you should do.

[–]despoticVeracity[S] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

You try to break through and sleep with them. If a plate? Drop if no sex. If you're looking for an LTR? If she consistently waits (i.e. Only has sex in relationships after a month or whatever) and you're considering her for an LTR? Either screw chicks on the side, or consider waiting.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

Sorry I didn't make it more clear, I'm a girl.

[–]roteroktober 13 points14 points  (0 children)

if you want to wait, then wait. to tell a guy you want to take it slow but then fuck others on the side, fuck that.

you cant be a slut to some guys and play the good girl to those you want to date. either be a slut or a "good girl".

[–]ColdEiric 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I think you're lost. RPW is for girls. TRP is for guys.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Whatever you do, be consistent. Inconsistency is what pisses guys off. If a girl truly wanted to "wait", she damn well better have waited with all the other guys she's been with. If I have to wait, but other guys got it on the first night, it's because she doesn't find me as attractive as those other guys, which means her propensity to leave is almost certain. No thanks.

If I ever wanted to get into a long term relationship with someone, I had better be the fastest person she ever slept with.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. Thanks for the perspective.

[–]niceguy_gone_cad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Keep it simple; if she doesn't fuck you in 3 dates she's out. ALWAYS.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm. a. girl. But I'll keep that in mind lol