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MetaANNOUNCEMENT: New Thread Requirements (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by ∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt

7/9/2015 9/21/2015 11/30/2015 3/31/2016 - I'm putting this up again since the signal to noise ratio has taken a shit again as we seem to have some new members who haven't been reading the rules and people are posting low-quality content. Read below (and the other rules threads in the sidebar) and adhere to the instructions. Newbies posting without doing so risk having their threads removed without notice.


Due to a rash of low-quality and low-effort posting, we're instituting some formatting changes for threads until otherwise noted.

All threads will now use the following structure: Bold section titles, line segment dividers, and bullets for lessons learned.

Summary: This is where you write a short 1 or 2 sentence summary at the top of the thread


Body:

This is a post body


Lessons Learned or Conclusion. This is where you state what your intended takeaway from your thread should be

  • Lesson 1
  • Lesson 2
  • Lesson 3

Note: Red Pill Theory threads won't always have a lessons learned. We understand they're sometimes of an inquisitive/information collecting/stream of consciousness nature and therefore don't always have an applicable lesson at the time the thread was created.

Endorsed Contributors, Mods, Red Pill Veterans, and special posters (eg Rollo Tomassi) are exempt from these rules.

If you wish to have the freedom to post outside these guidelines, then you've got to earn it with high quality posts/threads of your own.

No links without a commentary.

We tried to be nice, but too many chuckleheads were drive-by linking to crap articles and whatnot.


Here's an example of what we're looking for:

Summary: Mods told us not to write crap threads. Here's my attempt at a good one.

I'm writing about good style and formatting habits because our mods are tired of filtering out all the bad content. Poorly formatted threads only makes their job all the more difficult.

Lessons learned: I learned not to shit post in /r/TheRedPill

If your post deviates from that format, then don't be surprised if it's removed. Should that occur, fix it up so it is formatted correctly (showing you can follow the rules) and notify the mods. So long as the thread is up to our standards, we'll go ahead an reinstate it.


[–][deleted] 117 points118 points  (40 children)

Made the mistake of clicking TRP "New".

You guys don't get an easy life do you?

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 182 points183 points  (3 children)

You have no idea.

I have to make sure there are no women around when I mod, because sometimes people's idea of "grammar" and "quality" makes me weep softly, like a broken-hearted child.

[–]ModMachiavellianRed 42 points43 points  (35 children)

The number of /r/asktrp questions is silly.

Ironically, I think the guys that need to read this probably won't.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (34 children)

It costs nothing to recreate a Reddit account except time and a little inconvenience. Just start mass banning 1st time offenders?

[–]ModMachiavellianRed 35 points36 points  (33 children)

Contrary to how people feel about them, the Reddit admin are pretty cooperative in shadowbanning people we suspect are on 2nd, 3rd or 8th accounts. They don't mind checking up on people who annoy us. And they block every account from posting in every subreddit. And then any new account. Only the nerds who understand networking and cookies are going to bypass it. That's some real dedication to be a shitty poster though. Easier to just not break the rules and be a productive member of the community. If you are smart enough to bypass a shadowban, you are probably smart enough to fit into the community.

[–]1 Endorsed ContributorLetMeSideBarThatForU 20 points21 points  (30 children)

Please say this is why I haven't seen posts to the effect of "As an Indian in the California Bay Area why is it so hard not being white?" I always assumed it was just one super prolific poster that ignored 100% of the advice he was given. If that's the case it's nice to see some of the reddit staff actually behave like professionals.

[–]ModMachiavellianRed 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I always assumed it was just one super prolific poster that ignored 100% of the advice he was given.

We just banned him until he gave up. In hindsight, involving Reddit would have been better as they've always been helpful in other cases.

[–]lonernot 13 points14 points  (27 children)

Indian guy here and I live in NYC (on vacation right now though). I've been temporarily banned from this sub (on this account) before but mods were kind enough to make it temporary, not going to abuse that privilege. I have taken the material on this sub and used it to better my life over the months but at times it does kinda get to me. I look around and meet so many people and I am the only Indian guy I know of in this large city who is having any success at all. It is not just one guy either btw, Indian men and Asian men in general tend to feel highly insecure about being the race they are if they live in the USA.

Most Indian guys I meet are arrange married, incel, or dating ugly girls of other races. I have never met a pretty looking white girl with an Indian guy here (unless they were tourists maybe) and it is a couple that would cause a lot of gossip in the NYC and New Jersey area. I am starting to think that it is now our turn as Indian men to be shit on by society. I posted some threads on here and Asktrp in the hopes that I meet other successful Indian men who have done well in the USA and learn from them. The thread had minimal success and I did meet some decent Indian guys, PMing them and chatting with them about life.

I have stopped the race whining and come to realize that I will have to carry the torch for men of my race. Please understand that as an Indian male, I don't have many male role models of my race to look up to (other than Aziz Ansari, some brown PUAs, and that it is about it). It has been an inner game issue for me because people are openly racist towards us where I live as well and you don't see Indian men here breaking the mold at all. Sometimes, I feel like the day I meet an Indian guy who has his shit together and pretty looking white girl by his arm, it would literally shift my view on reality. I have yet to see that and I have met a ton of interracial couples.

It is tough for me mentally, I wish I could meet some successful Indian males who have bedded hot girls of other races (especially white girls who seem to hate us the most here) but I understand that I will just have to make my own luck. I have started improving myself and my life. Over the past few weeks I have really limited my internet time and gone out more. I have set up online dating accounts and even gotten a few good responses from women as well.

It is not going to be easy, but I guess nothing worth having (in this case a lifestyle) ever is. I am grateful for finding this sub and the material here, it has pushed my life towards a positive direction. Thank you whoever created this place, it is amazing.

On the bright side, I am not too sure if this whole negative Indian guy image is just an NYC and Bay Area thing. I've read some stories about Indian guys doing a lot better in other areas of the USA and even being exotic commodities. Never seen such a case for myself but it is encouraging nonetheless!

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[–]DannyDemotta 9 points10 points  (3 children)

No. Just no. That is so incredibly lazy, to just generalize the experiences of every race of men, and just lump all Men and all Women into two giant monoliths. The world doesn't fucking work like that. Are you one of those people who feel like Racism has been over in America for decades now, and Obama being elected was "proof" of that? This is preposterous.

As a Black dude, I have Asian women that won't even look me in the eye for more than 2 seconds - ugly, pretty, old, young, all of the above. I have White Women that won't stop staring - ugly, pretty, old, young. Indian/Subcontinental women are mostly just cold to me. Latina women usually really warm. It varies across the board, but more than any other factor, ethnicity is a factor. American-born Women can't get enough of me. Foreign-born Asian? I'm SOL.

There is no rule book of rules set in stone - that's fucking nonsense. There are certain women who, no matter how much you improve yourself, how alpha you are, are not going to want you to pursue them. You'd have to drain your resources - time, money, patience, contacts - just to get to the same point with that one cold bitch (that probably isn't even that bangin'), when you could use those resources to spin 2, 3, 5 different plates.

Lessons learned: Everybody's experiences aren't the same. We can't all be White Men in America. TRP is not dogma, it's constantly evolving. Just ignoring non-White peoples' experiences and writing them off as "you're just not doing it right" is pure fuckery.

[–]Kingspot 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Truth.

Racism is just a shit test.

Are you fucking kidding me? I cannot believe my first thought was check your privilege.

Like the post less than 2 days ago, we can use the red pill analogy in many ways today to wake up from illusions and falsehoods and be realistic about what is really going on. Being a dark-skinned black dude or a dark-skinned Indian will put you at a disadvantage in many parts of the world. If you are 5'6 its not going to be as easy for you as someone who is 6 feet.

No, thats not politically correct. Yes, don't fucking complain and mope about it. But don't deny what is going on. You can have great success in spite of those things. Its like that bullshit that people say "looks don't matter." Its not the end all be all but looks fucking matter.

[–]DannyDemotta 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly. People act as if something being uncomfortable to you necessarily means you are acting Beta, are still in the Anger phase, and all this other dumb shit. No, you are confronting reality; your limitations, your restrictions; and you work around them to the best of your abilities. You don't make excuses; you make adjustments.

I've yet to hear a single non-White person say race doesn't matter when approaching women. Because in America, unless you're White, race matters.

[–]QQ_L2P 8 points9 points  (3 children)

True, but there is an art in integrating it into different cultures. If you're white, you can copy and paste TRP straight in. However if you're from a different culture, for example Indian (or any culture that's still highly steeped in religion), a lot of the stuff you learn here needs to be tempered slightly so you don't straight up get ostracised from your family while you secretly build yourself up. Because the second those fucks get wind of it they will try and crush you back into a beta far more brutally than any women.

Realistically, you just gotta be smart about how and when you do stuff. Usually with Asians, it's you can do what the fuck you want when you're financially independent, something that usually doesn't happen till you're in your 20's/30's. Hard to maintain any sort of frame with your family if you're friggin' dependant on them because ultimately, they hold the winning hand.

But like I said, just gotta be smart about what you do.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Study it, apply it, make it a product and sell it to other Indians. Status, wealth, power.

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the first Indian guy to successfully package RP material and show it works for him will make a killing. There's already a few brown PUA guys out there giving talks and making bank. Very ripe for profit

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I met a short Indian guy who pulled major game last weekend. I met him in a relatively large southern city so lots of racism. He handled all the racist comments by genuinely laughing at them. He really thought the Indian jokes were funny. He embraced it and felt no shame.

3 girls wanted to fuck him. They were choosing 5'5" him over my friend and I.

He built a large group of social contacts by being friendly with everyone, getting phone numbers from everyone and going out/inviting people out all the time.

When a guy can't turn around without seeing someone he knows, it shows a ton of social status that woman love.

[–]j_arbuckle2012 2 points3 points  (9 children)

As another Indian dude, you bring up some valid points, but there are ways to get around them.

  1. If you can, move locations to a smaller city. The Bay Area and NYC are super hard cities for legitimately 1% guys of all races to do well in. NYC especially.

  2. Consider the SMV of the women you desire vs your own SMV. It could be something as simple as a mismatch. If you've got game and know how to fuck, then you need to evaluate your looks, athleticism, and masculine edge. Also, you need to level your expectations. You bring up many good points in this post, and those points need to be used to calibrate exactly what you can expect from the dating scene.

  3. Fuck other races. If you're too focused on white girls you will miss out on quality from other races. Latinas, SE Asians, etc. all have good looking women. Sure they aren't that White GoddessTM you love fantasizing about but god damn if they don't fuck like wildfire. You're going interracial anyway so you may as well open up your dating milieu to girls from all races. Latinas are a preferred favorite of mine.

  4. Keep your chin up. It's easy to get discouraged and think the world is against you, but in truth it doesn't even know you exist. Nothing you do will matter and your great dramas, trials, tribulations, victories, and defeats will amount to nothing when t->inf. Take heart in that fact and stop taking everything so seriously.

[–]lonernot -3 points-2 points  (8 children)

I have done 3, it is just getting boring for me to because I long for the white girl types. Now I do think I need to leave NYC, this place is hell.

[–]j_arbuckle2012 4 points5 points  (7 children)

That's where your problem is. You've put that White GodessTM on a pedestal and now you are imagining that there are deficiencies in the world at large that affect you because you seemingly can't get in that White pussy.

Fuck off with that. Sexual success is sexual success. Those other girls got you hard and you fucked them, right? So what does it matter? Pussy is pussy. There's nothing special about it. I've fucked White girls and girls of other races, and there is nothing sweeter, tighter, warmer, or wetter about White pussies as opposed to the pussies of women in any other race. It is simply a construct of the mind. Your ego wants White pussy. Your dick and your lizard brain couldn't give less of a fuck. Guess which matters more? I'll give you a hint: it ain't your ego.

Start evaluating right now why you think you "long for the white girl types."

[–]blacwidonsfw 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Dude I have seen plenty of Indian guys with hot girls of all races. I am in cali tho. In that whole post not once did you mention lifting. Do you lift? Its the most important thing...

[–]lonernot -1 points0 points  (3 children)

what part of Cali? I've seen Indian guys complain about the bay area and northern cal a lot though.

[–]ToshiroOzuwara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am a bit Indian and Indian guys love to bitch and moan. Maybe it is because most Indian men are momma's boys.

No one gives a fuck about how hard your lot in life is. Some guys have harelips. Some guys have caved in chests. What makes them successful men is that they overcome their deficits. The only way to overcome is to be resolute. Bitching and moaning is the behaviour of a child. Be a man.

[–]blacwidonsfw 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I've lived all over cali but now in the bay area. I could literally separate the Indian losers from those that succeed by one aspect- do you lift? Its really that simple

[–]hyju656 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The 'bay area' complaints he's talking about are his alt-troll accounts. He has had many troll accounts like bayarea09, argunta, 49ered, etc. all from different regions of the country, a number of them have been banned. He is the indian race troll, and yes, he is a loser. That's why he was kicked out of many forums like misc, etc. and was forced to settle with multiple trolling accounts on reddit.

[–]NameOfAction 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bobby jindal is pretty fucking successfull, wether you agree with his politics or not, you gotta admit, hes done well for himself

[–]absolucion 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Is there any way to prevent new accounts younger than X amount of time from posting? Perhaps heavily advertise sidebar material to those accounts too? It sounds like a lot if work to babysit newbs but it may relieve some of the headaches you guys experience here.

[–]randompants123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think there is already a requirement for how old your account has to be to post here.

[–]29-M-LA 55 points56 points  (20 children)

I hope this decreases the number of posts talking about characters from TV.

[–]Endorsed Contributortepper2 24 points25 points  (18 children)

This should be a rule, it's becoming very annoying. No examples from fiction.

[–]TheInkerman 9 points10 points  (9 children)

Maybe no examples from pop culture, I think classical fiction has some important lessons.

[–]Endorsed Contributortepper2 23 points24 points  (8 children)

I disagree. My argument regarding fiction is that the only reason the lessons are there to be learned are because somebody wrote it that way. Alpha characters are in the script. Beta characters are in the script. And any reactions between characters is strictly observable because it was written that way.

At face value, we know that "culture increasingly [lacks] a positive identity for men." We shouldn't be shitting up the main sub with rehashings of literary fiction because something from chapter seven looks like a RP truth.

Put it in a separate sub, it's worthless here.

[–]1mojo_juju 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I disagree with you here.

If there is no fiction allowed at all, then one wouldn't be able to present philosophical allegories such as the Allegory of the Cave.

However, I do agree about the literary fiction and stuff from TV/pop culture. I'd only allow classical fiction such as the works of ancient philosophers, and the pre-20th century classic literature (i.e. Mark Twain, Thoreau, etc.).

I think Allegories are useful-- short, fictional stories with a moral.

In fact, I have seem some great ones recently on TRP which have received a lot of praise and upvotes.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We allow fictional examples provided that the poster gives a breakdown of the material, offering his insight and interpretation. That kind of post prompts discussion of theory, which is exactly what we want.

But just posting "Look how alfa Frank Unnewrwood is in dis klip" will get your shit deleted.

[–]Elodrian 5 points6 points  (3 children)

There are low-quality fictive examples, like what you're referring to in chapter seven, and those can happily fall by the wayside. There are other works of fiction, however, that begin with the philosophy at the core and construct the story as an allegory. I'm thinking of something like Fight Club. I would gladly participate in a discussion of Fight Club, even though it's a work of fiction, because the whole point of the novel was to examine how men need to stop facing adversity like women do and start rediscovering what it means to be men.

Don't chuck the baby with the bathwater.

[–]Endorsed Contributortepper2 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Fair enough. I disagree. I don't care about fictional characters in fictional situations/universes when I'm looking for guidance on how to live as a man in a real world that is much more complicated.

I'm going to keep reporting those threads because there's a precedent that says they shouldn't be here.

[–]darkrood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea, Your idea was good, don't yield.

The concept in books is good to raise our awareness, fiction or not. However, if the lessons were not tested out by you or trusted resources, always kept a skeptical view. Alpha and betas in fictions just have behaviors that we aspire to, it does not mean that outcome would play out like the books. IRL is always more complicated than the stories.

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100% agreed. RP is a sub wide "Watch what people do, not what they say." Fiction is by default what people say and not what they do. Betas get the girl in Disney movies all the time

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

This is one of the only popular TRP sentiments I've always disagreed with.

I think we should allow discussions of fiction on here. Fiction is fantasy designed to appeal to an audience. The Fiction itself might not be worth discussing, but what the fiction says about its audience is often eye-opening.

50 Shades of Grey is the easiest example... that books popularity proves pretty much every TRP theory. It would be weird if I were not allowed to say that.

[–]Endorsed Contributortepper2 10 points11 points  (0 children)

50 Shades of Grey is the easiest example... that books popularity proves pretty much every TRP theory.

The book's popularity, yes. But that's not a discussion about the content. Western women break the concurrent bean-flicking world record over a book about bondage and rough sex. Not a surprise, but worthy of discussion.

But to break down what made the guy alpha and why his tactics worked on the female lead is a dead-end discussion because that's how it was written. She was a fictional character reacting a certain way to another character because... that's what the author says? And the circlejerk responses are always "dude redpill as fuck."

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

[–]Endorsed Contributortepper2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I knew I had seen it elsewhere but couldn't track it down.

[–]soyleux 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree, with the exception of actively analyzing media in terms of it being media and its effects on people. The cancer posts have all basically been of the form "I observed these people on TV so I'm drawing conclusions how the world works," which is its own kind of Matrix.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I went to a "women's studies" library the other day (I'm never setting foot in that kind of place anymore, one could litterally smell the oestrogens in the place). They had a book called "women in game of throne : power,...." (I quit reading the title then).

I mean, seriously.

[–]Newdist2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

book called "women in game of throne : power

But nearly all the women in power in game of thrones are incompetent:

  • Catelyn fucks up repeatedly, eventually leading to the deaths of herself and most of her family.
  • Daenerys W Bush is re-enacting the failed occupation of Iraq.
  • Cersei's paranoia and incompetence has pretty well ruined her family, which was once the most powerful in the land.

The only other female characters are whores (empowering!) and little girls.

[–]absolucion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

http://nr.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2zriww/the_complete_mod_policy_rundown/

Posts based on fiction are already covered under the "Bad, False, or Low Quality Objective Data" rule. Unfortunately there is little that can be done without an amendment to the rule. Perhaps you can get a dialogue going with mods and other ECs about an amendment?

[–]MEpicLevelCheater 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is a rule. We don't allow fiction examples, nor do we allow pseudo-reality examples from sources like Maury or Jerry Springer (there are enough real examples of the sexual marketplace at work that we don't need to scrape the bottoms of those barrels).

In reality, the shit leaks through only because there are so many n00bs, and so few of us.

So if you see a shit post, report it. Our job as mods is easier if we have our ducks lined up for us.

[–]ModMachiavellianRed[M] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

I don't know if /u/bsutansalt wants to include this in OP, but I've just disabled link posts again. Way too much spam. Maybe for every 20 submissions we get 1 good one. Can't justify the moderation work when it's that bad. If you can't be assed to post good links, we can't be assed to moderate them.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Good decision in my opinion. I also advocated for the first ban of the link button

The only thing it does is to encourage lazyness and even more sharing the feeling of being offended by random bullshit SJWs, femifucks or the idiotic majority of society come up with.

Well, that and gathering internet points. If you care about those though, you should probably unsubscribe right now anyways.

If the linked content is of importance to other users here or offers valuable insights in any way, it won't be too hard to come up with some meaningful sentences about it.

If you - like myself - aren't a native speaker you'll also get a bonus in the form of being forced to learn using the English language in written form much better. Even if English is your mother tongue, you'll still benefit from the usual high level of content here and push yourself to adjust to it.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 165 points166 points  (26 children)

The American, English and Australian education systems have gotten so bad that the Red Pill has become the last line of defense against poor writing.

SignsOfTheDecline

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 62 points63 points  (15 children)

Wat r u talkunmboat, there going too due what they want and you cant stop they. Them r the brakes.

[–]bustanutmeow 21 points22 points  (9 children)

I'm not sure if i'm ashamed or proud of the fact it took several tries to understand what you wrote. I did laugh though. Thanks.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 23 points24 points  (8 children)

Some people write that way, I learned to understand idiot in car forums.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (7 children)

I actually feel my IQ lowering when I'm reduced to sounding out words to figure out what they are saying.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 23 points24 points  (3 children)

My eyes nearly roll out of my head when someone writes that the breaks on his car are bad, or that he has duel exhaust. One of the girls I'm fucking flies 450 miles to get some because I know how to use your and you're, and what a double entendre is. Be alpha and write well, it's more fun that way.

[–]1xwm 11 points12 points  (1 child)

To be fair, its probably the double entendre part. Btiches love double entendres.

[–]Evileddie13 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm still fuzzy what a 'double entendre' but I do go out of my way to use, you're, your, to, too, correctly.

[–]BannedBandit 0 points1 point  (2 children)

My pet peeve is English people using "A" instead of "I".

IE: "A cant believe he dun it the absolute madman."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

5 months later and a reply, man have you been thinking over your comment :-)

[–]MEpicLevelCheater 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This comment looks so much like a rage-induced modmail message that I almost banned you on reflex.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Understandable, thanks for not banning me. People who write like that constantly need less oxygen.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater 1 point2 points  (1 child)

...that was a joke.

[–]LongElm 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Elements of Style, 100 pages. You'll be Steinbeck amongst your homies.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But your homies don't know who Steinbeck is...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Probably the hardest professor at Santa Clara (his nickname was C-Minus Rynes) was an English professor and had a great sign on his door:

FRESHMAN ENGLISH SPOKEN HERE

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It's slightly sad for a school when the hardest professor there teaches English.

[–]gimmetrp -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Canada still doing wonderfully.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We're not a country anyway.

[–]brgie 16 points17 points  (1 child)

As a lurker coming out of hiding: Would you guys also care to update the "Posting and Commenting Rules" in the sidebar?

Just trying to reduce false positives on the filter (which I consider a good idea btw). You should still make it easy for valuable new ppl with good intentions. I for one would read a page of rules before posting the first time, but I do however expect a consise quality text that is up to date. And of course my ego assumes that you would go out of your way to get me to post here :-)

Anyways thanks for doing such a good job on moderation.

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will update in the next few days, don't have time right now. Thanks for the reminder.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (6 children)

Summary: I think this is an excellent decision.

Sweet bros. We're essentially constructing a semantic barrier to entry that the trolls/newbies will probably be too lazy to get past. I've seen some posts written by people who are so dumb that there's NO WAY they would even be able to follow these very simple formatting guidelines. I think this will be effective and a huge net positive for our community, because EVERY post on here is more accessible if it includes a TL;DR.

Lessons learned: This shit gon be hot

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Before I was ever an EC I thought lock submissions to EC+ and pick new ECs from those who can ask the right questions in the comment section.

EC being less of a "thing" (if it even is) and more of a regular subreddit "Verified User" type affair. I have to say though, I thought TRP would have eaten itself it was so bad 6 months ago.

I've seen some posts written by people who are so dumb that there's NO WAY they would even be able to follow these very simple formatting guidelines.

With respect to the moderators there has been a long standing rule here that you are to take a breath and understand you are addressing a stadium worth of people (circa 60k users), you had better format your shit correctly and have something to say. That didn't happen - there was maybe a month where submissions were removed en masse but this measure, welcome as it is is another rehashing of the same rules.

We'll see the topics being removed for a while then people will get fatigued of it and we'll have a new set of rules - I don't particularly mind I don't have to wade through the shit but you cannot force these idiots to read the sidebar and you cannot force them to listen to formatting properly. To fix the issue some thought should be given to a systematic approach like I suggested where you simply cannot submit unless you made the grade. Comments are quickly buried if they are dog shit, but dog shit all over the subreddit gets upvoted frequently.

Allow TRP vanguard or similar able to strip EC or Mars points, get users to submit a google form of 100 easy multiple choice questions drawn from the sidebar before being verified etc, i'm not sure how much room there is for TRP to grow on reddit but if we make it to 200k, 250k these current rules will become flimsy to the point of uselessness since it relies on human time spent doing something you'd rather not do - I'd suggest looking to automated means of control.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

get users to submit a google form of 100 easy multiple choice questions drawn from the sidebar before being verified etc

THAT is a brilliant suggestion. We should require all new users to understand basic terminology and concepts before they post here. AF/BB, hypergamy, etc.... maybe even Powertalk

[–]Elodrian 4 points5 points  (3 children)

get users to submit a google form of 100 easy multiple choice questions drawn from the sidebar before being verified etc

Seems so simple doesn't it? Well standardized testing like this is inherently biased against minority applicants. Taking a cue from Harvard admissions, in order to ensure a fair demographic representation among forum participants, applicants who self identify as Asian will need a score of 86, White: 80, Hispanic: 75, and Black: 67.1

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

why do I care what's fair? This is TRP. Make the grade or fuck off. People should be getting 90+ on this kind of test, all you do is read the sidebar, if you can't handle that then that's your problem not the community's I'm not interested in what your skin colour is.

[–]let_terror_reign 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think he was being sarcastic.
If not I'm 100% with you, if you cant be arsed to read trp101 gtfo

[–]TheRealMewt 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Does this mean that you plan on getting rid of that "Submit a Link to the Manosphere" button? The frequency of shitposts seemed to skyrocket once direct links were "reinstated".

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

/u/MachiavellianRed already removed it.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 17 points18 points  (7 children)

1) What /u/Modified_Hackware said. The sub is getting too big to manually sort out the unready. You should have automated, mandatory quizes on the sidebar and common sense questions. If a subscirber does not pass, they shall not comment or post.

2) You could also do what ROK does, allow submission for mod review first, and only if it's quality, allow posting.

3) No more direct linking, ever.

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

pretty agreeable on this.

linking to a dumb site about some feminazi doing some dumb shit ins't what i call a good post.

we don't need to see the betas being betas, most of us were there at one point or another

[–]RPJapan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These are great ideas.

[–]exoduslife 0 points1 point  (2 children)

...automated...

Indeed, the moderators are going to become increasingly over-worked by having to check every new submission for proper formatting, grammar, etc.

Isn't there an option / possiblity that allows users with a) certain amount of time subscribed to the sub or b) certain amount of comment karma to make submissions to the subreddit? That will filter out new posters who aren't familiar with reddit's (and this sub) workings; if you want the right to post you need to go through that basics, read the sidebar, etc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It would be easy to write a regex that makes sure every post is formatted correctly (or at least contains the words "Summary" and "Lessons Learned")

[–]RPSigmaStigma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also number of words, spell checker with a maximum number of misspellings, etc.

[–]DalekJay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YEs please, listen to this man

[–]crimson_capsule 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Genius. This sub needs this as the quality of posts and comments has dropped considerably the past few months.

[–]1trpposter 16 points17 points  (3 children)

  1. All threads will now use the following structure:
  • Write a short 1 or 2 sentence summary at the top of the thread, aka tl;dr
  • Body of text
  • Lessons learned
  • Actually label the sections with a summary at the top and a lessons learned at the bottom. For example:

This is a little too restrictive. The all time top posts fail this test, like Archwinger's excellent Men Are Not Happy and Illimitableman's many riveting rants. The posts are still top notch and add a great deal of value to the sub.

Can this format requirement be relaxed for the Rants flair? A lot of the hilarious and moving rants would lose their allure and frisson if structured like a high school essay.

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's not required for ECs and other proven folks. Also, if you feel your post doesn't need it, we mods reserve the right to agree with you and leave it up.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And so it goes, the best are restricted by the behaviours of the worst.

Until people can learn to articulate their thoughts properly everyone's place at the table becomes regulated. Sucks, but blame the shit posters for that.

[–]1mojo_juju -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Doesn't matter. This is how changes happen: the new way sweeps away the old way.

New posts will conform to this format, and eventually the culture of the sub will change-- it will foster better organized posts, which will (ideally) lead to better organized lines of thought.

I very much appreciate organized writing. In fact, if I could, I would add an addendum:

  • cite reputable sources whenever reasonably feasible

[–]DivideAndKwanquer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank God.

[–]Obsequiae 6 points6 points [recovered]

Agreed with this. Recently this sub has been laden with crap. I haven't even browsed it much as a result. Here's hoping these changes bring about better quality again.

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i wouldn't say it's bee utter shit here, though when i brows I can instantly tell a good post from a bad one... just be reading the title or a few lines...

i guess you get that way with a few shitty posts

[–]Red_SoloCup 7 points8 points  (2 children)

In the event of a "discussion"-type post, whereas the poster posts a link to some article or video, has a good commentary on it, but is genuinely asking a question such as "Why does he say [this] instead of [that]?" or "Why did [that] elicit [this] response?" What would the lessons learned section contain? In that scenario, I think there are lessons to be learned but that haven't been learned yet and this formatting (while I wholeheartedly agree with it in other cases, especially FR's.) could discourage that kind of post.

[–]2rp_valiant 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I'm sure the mods will legitimately consider every post without requiring them to be perfectly in line with this rule set.

On the other hand, this is the exact right circumstance for an asktrp post rather than a trp one.

[–]KurrKurr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why did we lose the post category switches (flair switches) at the top? So everything (rant, ltr, rp example, fr, etc.) will now be in different subreddits (trp, asktrp, ...)?

If this is the case, I think it's not a good idea to be THAT restrictive. Yes, some formatting rules are in order, but not for every type of post.

As /u/Red_SoloCup mentioned, what about discussions? I think AskTRP is a place for "I'm being cuckolded, what should I do?" kind of post, but not "Let's talk about men's issue XY. What's your position on that?".

[–]Ovadox 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Point #1 is good. I agree with this.

Point #2 is stupid. Will it help keep out low value/low effort posts? Sure, but then again those down arrows are there for a reason as well. Will it keep out really good posts that don't follow the format? Absolutely. All this system will do is make this sub more homogeneous and boring, which as RP men is the last thing we want to be practicing.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you're gonna post. Post with the intent that your son will read this. Personally I enjoy reading the wisdom posts. You won't want your own boy see you sob out a shit post do you?

[–]Booksarefun666 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm just surprised that paragraphs aren't mandatory, the biggest things that make me not read something is giant unbroken blob of text.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That is in part why these changes were made.

[–]DalekJay 2 points3 points  (0 children)

good rules, because of the influx of new members most of the posts was deviating or poor conceived

[–]TheSleeperRiseth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like that... with the amount of posts here a little structure is certainly helpful. Only hope, that I stick to it myself ;-)

[–]let_terror_reign 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For the love of god noobs check the current posts to see if what you've done has been done recently before you fucking post something.
There have been 10 posts in the last month about why lifting is the best thing since sliced bread. No difference at all.

[–]Black-Pill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wish there was a way I could upvote this post every time you stickie it to the front page. Thanks for your time and efforts

[–]NeoreactionSafe 9 points10 points  (1 child)


Essay Format... Really?

I question the wisdom of this rigid formatting.

If people don't like art they lose interest.

If people don't like someone's writing style they lose interest.

...better to just let the marketplace decide what works and what doesn't.

A meritocracy is better.

Let good things rise because greatness is inequality.

[–]rpscrote 6 points7 points  (0 children)

yes, while reddit and democracy both are far from perfect, the downvote/upvote mechanic is a 0-additional effort sorting mechanism that works more often than not. It does fuck things up, but a lot of shitty posts rightfully get buried by it

[–]1R_E_D_1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for these guidelines. Field Reports were getting vomitous.

[–][deleted] 2 points2 points

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[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I expected exactly that to happen as soon as I saw the policy.

[–]Bung_Eye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks you mods, for your dedication to the quality of this subreddit! :)

[–]jakisha001 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I read this and I am so confused. How to post "line segment dividers" is it acceptable just to put space or I need to put actual lines?

I never posted at any reddit stuff...

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Line dividers aren't required, but they do help. Go down 2 lines, type 4 dash marks (-), and go down 2 more lines. When you save it, it'll turn the 4 dash marks into a line.

If you have Reddit Enhancement Suit installed, you can "view source" on the following example to see what I'm talking about:


Example text after line.

[–]Jimmypickles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Eh... I dun like it. It may very well weed out crappy posts, but i feel like it limits creativity and streamlines posts. The upvote system is supposed to separate the crap from the good, and it's worked thus far.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Does this apply only to field reports and rp/bp examples? It seems superfluous for there to be a lesson learned on something like a theory where the whole post is the lesson learned stated in explicit terms.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ortega is essentially restating Nietzsche’s contrast between the “overman”—the man oriented to constant self-surpassing—and the “last man,” who is characterized by complacency, contentment, and inertia. The noble soul—a soul open to and oriented toward ideals—is the essential characteristic of the true aristocrat. By contrast, mass man is characterized by a soul that is “closed” to anything lofty and ideal. He does not guide his actions by looking up (to the ideal), but by looking down (to appetite or expediency) and to the side (to the opinions of his fellow mass men). Because the noble man orients himself by ideals, he is perpetually dissatisfied with himself and strives unceasingly for perfection. Because mass man orients himself by appetite, expediency, and opinion, he is characterized by smugness and contentment. Noble man’s orientation toward ideals that transcend the present gives him an external perspective on the present. This grants him a measure of intellectual liberty: relative freedom from prejudice, opinion, and convention. He has the courage to think for himself. Mass man, by contrast, has no critical distance from the present. Hence he tends toward relativism, jingoism, conventionality, and conformity. Following Nietzsche, Ortega holds that human vitality requires striving for transcendent goals. Noble man, therefore, is truly alive, while mass man is decadent and devitalized."

http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/06/ayn-rand-and-ortega-y-gasset/

We must learn to conform to mass culture.

In attempting to screen for low IQ, low effort posts, we choke out the creative spirit.

[–]1DRMMR76 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good leaders lead by example. Shitty leaders don't. Take that as you will.

[–]The_Man11 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Abstract

Background

Materials

Methods

Results

Conclusions

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or if you prefer legal analysis...

Issue

Rule

Analysis

Conclusion

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't agree that one should put the tl;dr at the top.

When put at the end of the post, tl;dr are great to put a final point to the post and make everything even more clear. When put at the top, the readers will read the global idea before going through the process of getting to that idea.

[–]Diabolo_Advocato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then all abstracts on research papers shout be at the end with that kind of thinking

[–]Polar1zing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What idiocy. While I agree that bad threads should be removed, I disagree with following some pre-defined format.

[–]Man-with-a-pitchfork 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Good rules.

Since this is a mod/meta thread, it might be a good place to ask this small question: is there a reason that the link to our "sister sub" (redpillwomen) has been removed from the sidebar?

[–]DalekJay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good, And if you are Just reading tl:dr and skipping the rest always and not using it as a tool so select what is worth to read... You deserve because you a are a lazy fuck and blue pill enough to think that little work would get big reward...

[–]johngalt1234 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How do you bold your letters?

[–]2Sepean 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Two asterisks before and after.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for posting this again! Newbies listen up!!!

[–]larrythetomato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  Since trp is constantly having this problem where submission aren't following the standard, how about adding something like this.

Then you can use the auto moderator (or maybe not) tool to instantly delete all troll/low effort posts with a simple message "please follow the rules", without giving away the game by having every single post start with "I read the rules".

This reply has two bolded special spaces, one at the start, and one between 'Since' and 'trp'.

[–]JovianTrainWreck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like this should only apply to those who aren't TRP endorsed, those endorsed guys are often our most poetic writers, it would suck to see them caught in the crossfires of shitposting newbies and restricted to the same writing format. Mods will also have the added benefit of having slightly fewer posts to sift through to ensure quality.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trouble with the requirements for a tldr at the top of the thread is that you get a bunch of people espousing their wisdom without actually reading and understanding what the thread is about. Just saying

[–]Momo_dollar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm pretty new, probably discovered trp a few moths back.

Anyways, even I can tell the the quality is getting low. And with the new movie = increase awareness , lots more people are gonna be joining. This will have perks and drawbacks. The drawbacks being many people posting obvious nonsense, but that's not the worst thing, the worst thing will be people who read the side bar shit and know the terminology but don't understand it or how it applies in reality and then start posting stuff using the terminology in wrong context. This will annoy those who understand and confuse people that don't.

[–]SgtBrutalisk -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

TL;DR Is Calibri 11-point no spacing .docx okay or should I use Chicago Style?

I wish these rules worked. I wish the society was a neat little mechanism that can be wound up regularly and have all the cogs work in unison. But it isn't and it can't.

TRP is de facto a place for rebels, and trying to instill any kind of formatting requirement into rebels is not going to result in any kind of quality increase.

I used to enjoy reading TRP posts because I never knew what I would encounter. There was that drunk woodcutter guy and his rambling posts about the purpose of life. But now, it seems TRP has become more like a collection of college texts, posted for the professor to examine.

[–]jdgalt -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I suggest that everybody subscribe to TRP's RSS feed. On it we can still read the good new posts (and reply to them) even after they've been nuked by this rule.