Red Pill TheoryThe average American woman now weighs as much as the average 1960s man (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana

Summary: Thanks to the unchecked weight gain in the USA, it's becoming even harder to find quality women in America.


The average American woman weighs 166.2 pounds, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. As reddit recently pointed out, that's almost exactly as much as the average American man weighed in the early 1960s.

When you think about how much taller and more muscular a man is than a woman, you'll realize that this is a rather shocking development. (Yes, men and women are getting taller, but it is still surprising.) If you look at average weight in the USA over the years, you'll realize that American women in the 60s, 70s, and even 80s were mostly slender and beautiful.

This oft-referenced video shows what American women were like in the late-60s/early-70s. Not only are they slender, but they also have an innocence to their facial expression that is absent today. The movie Catch Me If You Can also portrays the women of the 60s as slim and innocent.

If you have the opportunity, check out some high school yearbooks from past eras and compare them to yearbooks today. You'll be shocked at the difference, both at the weight gain and at the facial expressions.

As I wrote in a previous submission, "Why are attractive American women are so picky compared to other attractive women around the world?", the obesity epidemic in the USA contributes to an increasingly competitive environment to find quality American women.

Obesity: Over 65% of US women are overweight or obese. This will tend to make the men compete for the less than 35% that have normal figures, and thus the attractive women are that much more selective. (Over 70% of US men are overweight or obese, and they will still be competing to date slim women.) Other countries obviously don't have this sort of obesity problem, so there are more attractive women to go around, and being slender and attractive isn't so rare even as women age.

This explains the entitlement you see in modern American women. You'll see many posters say things like, "That 6 was acting like she was a 9," and this is part of the reason why (see my past submission for other reasons). Think about the times you've seen a high SMV physically fit American man walking hand-in-hand with a low-SMV overweight American woman. Due to the increasingly competitive environment, even overweight women are being pursued.

This is one reason why it is important to travel as a single man. You'll find that there are entire countries where the women are slim and beautiful. You'll see that the attitudes change quite a bit too, e.g. many of the advertisements and other media revolve around a woman trying to attract a man rather than vice-versa. Most importantly, you'll realize how completely skewed the social environment is in the USA.

Lessons learned:

  • When most of the women are slender, the women have to compete more and the men have an easier time finding a lovely slender woman.
  • When most of the women are overweight, competition for attractive women skyrockets due to supply and demand.
  • American women are thus becoming very entitled with respect to their SMV. Even overweight women are pursued in this environment.
  • If you want to find a quality American women, you'll have to up your game a few notches higher than the men of the previous generation.
  • Men are getting heavier too - but being slender is not as important for a man as it is for a woman.
  • Men in the US who are not in the top tier might want to consider either becoming top-tier or going overseas to meet women, as there are still many countries where the majority of women are slender.
  • Men from overseas are probably better off not going to the USA to meet women.

[–]BleauGumms 127 points128 points  (15 children)

Find a high smv overseas.

Bring her back to the US.

She divorces you after becoming Americanized.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 52 points53 points  (0 children)

If you want to turn a sweet slender foreign girl into a feminist landwhale, bringing her to the USA would be a good first step.

[–]darkrood 18 points19 points  (4 children)

My sis' car broke down during her vegas trip. The truck driver from AAA kept bitching that he thought Chinese women are obedient and good cooks. He married a Chinese girl fob in US, now he is reaping the benefit with a messy house and TV frozen dinners.

A lot of women turn into sweet and caring angels during survival mode for locking down beta, especially women dying to stay abroad. AWALT, they just do it with different spin.

sis's reaction: "He's such a whiner. He just did not know how to pick them."

[–]laughkisskill 3 points4 points  (2 children)

To you specifically, op as well, never seen mentioned on trp, but read it or watch, "the taming of the shrew"

Pure brutal efficient honesty in a rp perspective, from the age where writers had to be talented to sell. This is not to speak to what part of the works they come from "a woman" but what the perspectives around them actually mean for playing to ltr.

Just freaking read it.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Marry a chick with a foreign passport, acquire citizenship of her country long before she has a chance to acquire citizenship in the US. She won't dare try to fuck you over and will go out of her way to please while you dangle that carrot. When she finally does try to divorce you... well... you can go live somewhere else.

[–]_the_shape_ 46 points47 points  (11 children)

When a hot chick scarfs down 5 slices of pizza or a mountain of Lo Mein at 4:30 A.M., minutes before she finally succumbs to a deep slumber after binging drink after drink, the reaction might be something like: "Gross, but at least she's hot..."

When a fat chick does the exact same thing - well, try it; same template: "Gross, but at least she's..."

[–]RageLife 43 points44 points  (2 children)

At least she's slow-moving so it'll be an easy getaway?

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heh, maybe if you can get your arm out from under her. And that's how we got the phrase "coyote wake-up".

[–]PaulAJK 20 points21 points  (2 children)

When a hot chick scarfs down 5 slices of pizza or a mountain of Lo Mein at 4:30 A.M.

Chicks who do this don't stay hot for long. That weekly calorie surplus is what makes a girl fat in the end.

[–]NidStyles 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Enjoy the hotness while it lasts.

[–]Xuixien_TheEpic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"... finally asleep so I can escape"?

[–]RichardPalma 6 points7 points  (0 children)


Not sure I really get your comment.

[–]BramRhodesDouglas 278 points279 points  (84 children)

I just don't get how a dude would date a fat girl. I'd rather date my hand and porntube than take out a war pig.

[–]moose_war 98 points99 points  (50 children)

Dude, there is a shocking amount of men who go out of their way to impress fat women just for a chance to get their dick wet. I mean a shocking amount. You know when girls try to add in the exception to the rule that any girl can get easy sex? "Well not if you're a fat, ugly girl!"

No. They get just as much attention from men leagues higher than them, physically. Don't even buy that exception because it's a lie.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 78 points79 points  (47 children)

Here is the thing tough, as a fat girl, they will be frustrated just as much as a fat guy is.

Sure they get sex but most men won't want a relationship that's too visible, no one like to walk around with hamplanet. So the late night fuck, the beer at a pub alone with her sure. But taking her on a week end with friends ? Only desperate men will really do that with hamplanet, and she's fucked quite a few ok guys so spending the week end with a desperate fuck is making her sad.

Source: was being chased by really rich fat girl during my last gig in London and told her I was gay (fund owner's daughter) to avoid having to turn her down, she proceeded to tell me all about her life.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 100 points101 points  (17 children)

she proceeded to tell me all about her life.

Shit. It would have been less painful just to fuck her.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 75 points76 points  (13 children)

No, I was sitting in a million dollar living room with a good glass of wine, then we smoked a J. It wasn't that bad. She's a real nice girl, like most fatties.

[–]UndoxableLord 28 points28 points [recovered]

She's a real nice girl, like most fatties.

My experience has been the exact opposite. Practically all my fat women friends have some issues; I'd describe them as angry and they're also quick to cause some drama or backstabbing. I will concede that they are interesting, or funny, or witty, but not nice.

Some of the more beautiful women I've been with in contrast have been nice on top of their looks. My guess is because they can afford to; they don't need to badmouth anyone to become more popular. Or perhaps they are living a blessed life.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I agree with this. I find them to usually have a chip on their shoulder and very sensitive to how receptive you are to them, and if you do not show attraction instantly they become offended by it. Honestly it is very similar to how 'nice guys' act towards women who spurn them by not being into them.

[–]anonlymouse 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I've noticed all the publicly violent women are fat. Skinny girls might be abusive to their boyfriend in private, but fatties will just attack anyone.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Ah yes, but I have an inner therapist waiting to come out, I fucking love listening to people and giving advice, even I if barely know them, call it a messiah complex or whatever but I have it.

So I usually score big with fat people because I come right out and tell them, I used to be just as fat, and I fucking hated my life, and I know how to lose the weight and I want to help you (like I won't pick fat people of the street to do that, I'm not like insane, but if we're friends at all, I'm on their case). Then we'll go run, swim, jump, whatever. I'm very direct but most people like it in the end.

I went from 108 kilos at 14 to 80kg at 18 (with double the muscle) so I know the drill. My best (male) friend in college lost lost 60kg while we lived together for 2 years, a girl who was 3 years with me in my work group lost 20 kg. I'm like the terminator of fat, I have developed a method to get addicted to running on a treadmill.

When I started at 14 I could run 30 minutes and 3 or 4 kilometers, my heart race went up to 190! I was a total 100% couch potato, I could spend a week on the couch if I was on vacation. Now I have to push the treadmill to the max and run for 1h to sweat. That translates into fucking, with a cialis and good cardio you can basically fuck forever (a full day with a few stops for water and food).

I also stopped smoking from a nasty 1 pack a day habit and very weak willpower over drugs so I have tricks for all those things (message me if you want to stop smoking without any effort involved btw I'll send you to a machine that's about 1k usd and will do that for you).

So that's why I like fatties :)

[–]the_red_scimitar 47 points48 points  (5 children)

There's a reason they're often more interesting people. They didn't have men laughing at every un-funny utterance, gazing at them with fascination as they utter complete banalities, etc. In other words, they had to develop a personality because their looks alone didn't cut it.

I dated a gorgeous redhead who used to be one of those fatties. Now, she was absolutely svelte, a gym rat and looked it. She has smart, hilarious, liked a lot of "guy" things, and was very appreciative, despite her current looks (an easy 8). But growing up, very heavy.

[–]Malachhamavet 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Makes me recall the family guy episode where the guy kills his brother and crys saying he can't go with meg to a dance because he's attending his brothers funeral that day.

[–]rabblerabble8 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Which highlights another huge problem, women equating their SMV with guys who would fuck them instead of those who would LTR them. If she realized how men actually think, that the dudes that fuck her when its last call at the bar really have no respect for her, she'd consider getting in shape and raising her SMV.

[–]bigcitytruth[🍰] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

They call those fat women "mopeds" --- a fun ride until a friend sees you on one.

[–]PaulAJK 23 points24 points  (22 children)

This fat chick problem is spreading like wildfire here in the UK. I just cannot beleive how may women in their teens and twenties are overweight. Twenty years ago it was rare, and fat girls paid a social cost for their poor choice. Now they get the thirsty guys.

It sucks because the UK always had among the lowest average girls in Europe, now it's even worse.

[–]anecdotal 19 points20 points  (3 children)

And people say America doesn't have any exports.

This thread about fat people is triggering me.

[–]PaulAJK 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I'm offended by your trigger statement. My feels have been hurt.

[–]holytrpbatman 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I'll give out jazz hands for that statement.

[–]ZeeyardSA 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Fast food man its them Burgers and fries

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Its the fact that McDonalds can sell a burger for $1 and be profitable, compared to a salad for $5.99 that blows my mind.

[–]NidStyles 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Makes you wonder what that burger is made of...

[–]MaxManus 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Yeah.. I feel you. Last time I visited I was shocked. And then they don't even cover it up. No, every fat role needs to be pressed in a tight miniskirt, so I can defenitly see that you are out of form 2 miles away.

But what about other ethnics living in England? Don't you guys have loads of immigrants from sth. like Poland and so on?

Is it the same with them already?

[–]PaulAJK 6 points7 points  (5 children)

A lot of the best looking women in the UK are from eastern Europe. They're pretty popular amongst guys for that reason.

What's striking is obesity used to be a mark of the underclass, as recently as 10 years ago. If you saw a fat girl, it was likely she would be from a really poor, chavy background. Now it's spread through every social class.

I live in a wealthy small town in southern England, and the number of podgy chicks is exploding. These are girls from good families, who's mothers have always taken care of themselves. It's a clear generational thing.

[–]MaxManus 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Yeah.. I made those observations in Oxford of all places.

And yeah.. East Europe are the hunting grounds. This summer I'll be checking out Masuren.

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[–]moose_war 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Here is the thing, she can just date down. She can get easy easy sex with men better looking than her and then find a scrawny beta to settle down with for a while for the feels. I've seen it happen myself.

[–]teeelo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Before I read 'plate theory' and really absorbed RP, I never in my wildest dreams believed that you could fuck a girl on a regular basis without making her your girlfriend.

This is why I often thought you couldn't have one without the other.

Anyways, my point is that most men do not realize they can fuck the low hanging fruit and not commit to them. Thy are so desperate for sex and any physical contact that they 'girlfriend' a <6 just to keep a steady flow of sex.

Spinning plates was a concept only reserved for the hottest of the hot Guys and with slutty non-mom material women.

Oh how I've learned.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (11 children)

It makes no sense. I just attended a store party at a bowling alley, and one thing shocked me. There is this stoner kid on my team that had been set up with the sister of another co-worker as a sort of date for the party (bad moves all around). The way the guys involved in this setup talked about the sister made her seem like she was an 8 or 9. Needless to say, I was at least curious to see this girl.

She shows up, and was a 4 at best. Totally overweight, boring personality, and had no idea what to wear with the fat she was carrying around. She was apparently being treated well because these braindead, thirsty losers saw tits. That's it. The fatty wore as boob-revealing attire as she could while being even remotely appropriate for the public.

I looked at the rest of the girls there, and there was maybe one attractive girl in the entire lot. Despite this, every girl had at least one orbiter just dying for their attention. There is no shortage of these betas desperate for any clam.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Bowling alleys are cesspools of low SMV people. I've seen 8s and 9s but fours and fives are the norm, with plenty of threes.

[–]turn30left 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The occasional 6 or 7 sprinkled in with a 2, a 1, and the rare 10.

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[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 2 points3 points  (3 children)

It's just a way for them to hamster the fact that they're banging a fatty.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

they look good from the "myspace angle" if youre into tits, however I feel tits are a young man's game. When I got older I was way more into ass and stomach. I mean shit I dont poo poo nice breasts, but I realize breasts are genetic, when an ass and a toned stomach take dedication.

[–]Futdashukup 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Fatties gathered in their masses

Just like piggies in molasses

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 11 points12 points  (4 children)

During my BP days I was so desperate for sex with a non pro I pretended to like fat girls. And it didn't work.

[–]SleepNowMyThrowaway 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Your brain can say whatever it likes, but you cannot bullshit your penis.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can confirm, have tried. Penis is the ultimate lie detection device, just for really specialized situations.

[–]creepyguy13 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Hilarious man, i did this too. Funny thing is that she invited me over again and I still couldn't do it.

[–]holytrpbatman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I tried it with a fox from back in the day, who had turned into a modern day pig. My dick was not having it. She knew it. I didn't even try to deflect the painful truth, she summed it up correctly with "it's because I'm fat now" and I couldn't disagree.

[–]aptway 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've found I can't even fuck slightly overweight girls from behind, one of my favorite positions. Her fucking body is too unwieldy to pull off the position.

Once I discovered that, I avoided them altogether.

[–]RPthrowaway123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Whenever I hear War Pig I just see that tank from the Call of Duty mission. Imagining that I went into battle taking cover behind a morbidly obese woman makes the image even funnier.

[–]badreportcard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Swamp donkeys for everyone!

[–]the_red_scimitar 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It's often a strategy recommended for practicing game - start out with an advantage by selecting a target a couple points below one's own league.

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[–]NidStyles 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Wait, there's a such thing as a gay gym? That would explain some things...

You work in a hostile place. I would be doing the same as you towards those bitches.

[–]TurgidMeatWand 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yes, in my city we call those bath houses, a couple ellipticals a row of free weights, maybe a squat rack in the main lobby, saunas, hot tubs, and "massage" rooms everywhere else.

Being more serious, gyms are usually called gay church, because if you liked dick why wouldnt you go watch men work out then hang out in the locker room after?

[–]TheRealMouseRat 90 points91 points  (14 children)

there's a reason we have a saying here in Norway: "people are fat as fuck in the US"

[–]Haukie 12 points12 points [recovered]

Not the most ambiguous saying, but i will be taking a trip to the US in a week and i will probably see the contrast in beauty since i am also from Norway.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Go to the southern U.S. And I would say 60% plus are overweight if not significantly so

[–]_eskimo_brothers_ 6 points7 points  (3 children)

And us unplugged Americans really can't wait to visit yours and other beautiful northern territories.

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[–]_eskimo_brothers_ 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Gaming women there I'm sure is a challenge, but I'm going for other reasons. My focus isn't that, and honestly follow the advice given a hundred times in trp, women are just a by-product of an interesting life.

[–]Ayy_1mao 5 points5 points [recovered]

Try not to blow up like a balloon, the food quality is horrendous and the walking opportunities are few, which is something I learned when I moved to Europe and almost immediately dropped 20 lbs despite drinking far more beer than I ever imagined.

[–]Black-Pill 51 points52 points  (17 children)

I have always felt that one of the key Strategies of The Feminist Imperative is to Lower the Bar across the Board in all aspects of the socio/sexual dynamic; Physical appearance, intellect/education and work ethic have all steadily been eroded in the last 5 decades in order to support the Fallacy of Equality agenda that Feminists and their SJW, white knight, BP allies are pushing in order to secure Unabridged Entitlement for themselves

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Limit access to sex (raises the price) for men and expand it for women. That's (one of) the goal(s) in my view.

[–]ohsweetword 19 points20 points  (5 children)

Yeah but it breaks down when you go just slightly up the ladder. Attractive /rich people have nothing to do with this nonsense.

Or just look at hypocrites like Emma Watson. Feminist demigoddess, dates lift bro jock with epic abs.

[–]skoobled 8 points9 points  (7 children)

It'll never work in the long run - this is exactly the hawk and the dove dichotomy from the selfish gene

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 1 point2 points  (6 children)

You mean the monetary thing ? How does that work in the SMV context I'm confused ?

[–]skoobled 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Sorry for not elaborating: the thesis is that in any environment you can't 100% select for "desired" qualities, the only working model is balance between oposing traits. The hawk is strong and aggressive, the dove is peaceful and passive. Too many hawks and there's too much violence. Too many doves and there's too much opportunity for the hawk minority to exploit

In the case of fatties, the more fatties you have the greater power of the sexy minority. Hence the balance tips back the other way

[–]1RPAlternate42 1 point2 points  (3 children)

That analogy breaks down when the doves become aggressive the Hawks act like doves.

The fatties see themselves as "average" or "curvy" instead of fat and gross and WK and SJW brigades support it with things like HAES and FA.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 9 points10 points  (1 child)

That doesn't happen, instead you're seeing the effect of shooting the hawks. The government / state punishing the hawks to effectively raise the population of doves artificially. The government wants pigeons, and the sjw crowd only has sway because government sides with them.

[–]Black-Pill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, I agree... the Pigeon Principle is a good way to put it

[–]deville05 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yes lower the bar for women and raise the bar for men

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 102 points103 points  (14 children)

Being seen with a fat girlfriend is akin to being seen on urine soaked sweat pants. It's social suicide. The fitness and health habits of your girlfriend can quickly become the fitness and health habits of your children. Which is why I cook and lift with my girlfriend.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (13 children)

You planning on having kids?

[–]all_the_right_moves 74 points75 points  (4 children)

I can think of few things that sound as fulfilling in life as raising strong, well-adjusted RP children. The world will certainly need them.

[–]Manuel_S 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Good on you mate.

Extra points when you make them grow with good food, and appreciating it to boot. Well fed, healthy, energetic and well-built children move and play differently.

[–]Monkey_Scrotum_Fever 14 points15 points  (2 children)

I have 3 brothers. My dad told all of us that if we ever got in a fight with anyone, and he heard that we didn't fight back, he'd kick our asses again when we got home. It was sound advice and our first inadvertent AF lesson, and it ultimately helped shape us all into strong men that don't take shit from anyone. Needless to say, I'm really glad he pushed us into that mindset early, and that "lesson" will be passed down to my sons.

[–]CowabungaDoood 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is what my grandfather got told by my great grandfather. One time, my grandfather was like 6/7 running away from two older kids who wanted to beat him up and made it back to the house but his dad was standing in the doorway and said that he'd get a worse beating from him so he better go outside and fight the two kids.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Is there something wrong about a man who calls himself gay lube oil wanting children?

[–]SleepNowMyThrowaway 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Never thought of it like that until now. I just thought the man was inordinately happy when changing engine oil on his vehicle.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Its a reference to smuggled gear in Australia.

[–]SleepNowMyThrowaway 11 points12 points  (0 children)

TIL... Thanks!

More than 150 bottles of banned liquid steroids, disguised as sex lubricant from Thailand, have been seized by Customs officials.

The agency says it is now investigating a sophisticated drug smuggling network.

Customs seized the oil in raids in Victoria, Western Australia, New South Wales, Queensland and South Australia.

The product, marketed as "gay lube oil", actually contained a variety of active ingredients including testosterone and deca durabolin.

[–]MGTOW_player 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Sad it is a snowball effect too. Women are herd animals. The more that get fat the easier it is for the others to rationalize getting fat. The circle of fatness grows ever larger. There is no end in sight.

God help us.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

What's really sad is that it just isn't that hard. Maybe I'm saying that because I played sports in high school but seriously, 65% is shocking. Instead of a media campaign promoting health and fitness for women they try to tell us that fat is beautiful. Every gym I've ever belonged to has had probably four times as many male members showing up to workout than female. And if a woman is in great physical shape she practically owns the fucking world. A guy in great shape certainly has advantages to his doughy peers but that pales in comparison to the advantages a slender, fit woman has over her whale friends.

[–]Xuixien_TheEpic 59 points60 points  (51 children)

See, this is what's keeping me from coming back to the plantation. I've been celibate for a year now, haven't been on a date or even spoken to a woman who wasn't ringing up my groceries. It's been pretty liberating, honestly, to have such a level of self-ownership.

My friends, however, are starting to pressure me to get back into the game. I guess they figure if I'm single, I must be unhappy. Probably projecting. Well the other day I did try to "get back out there". We went to a local club and my god, the women were just gross. I didn't see a single woman that I would consider above a 5. They were all dressed like sluts (ever see a fat chick in a belly shirt hit the dance floor? it's disgusting) with way too much make-up. In fact, when I'm just out and about, I rarely see a woman who's even a 6 around here. I've thought about learning seduction, but man, I wouldn't even want to practice on these broads.

[–]MGTOW_player 42 points43 points  (15 children)

Listening to older men, it appears the trend is exploding across this nation. Apparently 25 years ago it was rare to even see a fat chick. Now 20 year olds' mothers are often hotter than their daughters, just because they are in decent shape.

And it is only getting worse.

[–]Tres_1001 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Hell, 15 years ago it was still pretty rare to see fat chicks. There certainly were some, but the numbers have exploded since then. A college campus now is far heavier than it was in 2000.

[–]MGTOW_player 7 points8 points  (3 children)

It is sad beyond words. Almost feels claustrophobic.

In 20 years will there even be hot women anymore?

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 8 points9 points  (2 children)

In 20 years will there even be hot women anymore?

There are hot women right now, you just have to venture further afield. Try SE Asia. Others have said Eastern Europe. Russia. There are many places with thin, feminine women.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm in Poland atm. They're beautiful here. Even attractive women smile and are friendly. Not used to that in the UK. Most attractive women are rude as fuck.

[–]Xuixien_TheEpic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've been to the Philippines and Thailand, I can definitely vouch for the fitness of the women there. They're also far more pleasant to interact with as well.

[–]Xuixien_TheEpic 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Yep. I've definitely noticed it more as I got older. When I'm out running I often see kids getting off the school bus. I would say 80% of them have a distended gut. When I was in school there were maybe a couple of fat kids (myself included, until the end of highschool).

I used to get real down on myself not having a high paying career, not being taller, being a bit socially awkward. It used to really get me down, because I thought "I'm going to be alone forever, women aren't attracted to me!" - but now? Now I see it as almost a blessing. I've had plenty of casual sex in my 20's, had my LTRs, saw what that was all about and now I'm done. Just don't care. Thought about trying to care - looked at the women around me. Even if she's attractive, she's still a picky-choosy bitch. Not interested.

I'm finally "waking up", so to speak. Gonna get a part time job and go back to school for something I actually want to do. Won't pay big dollars by any means, but it'll be interesting and enjoyable for me. Been getting in shape (40lbs down) because I wanted to, for me.

Self ownership really is the best thing ever.

[–]the_red_scimitar 19 points20 points  (7 children)

The absolutely hottest woman I've fucked - a serious 9+, and easily so, was 49. Her body was fabulous, and I'd dated a 23 year old not that long before, and regularly date in the late 20's/early 30's (I'm much older than that). Her body blew away every other I'd seen. It was porn-goddess quality, but entirely natural.

Almost nobody would believe it, but an 18 year old would be very pleased with this body. Perfectly smooth skin, etc. Yeah, a total anomaly, but women have a lot of options for fitness, if they take them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My last 2 were 8 and 10 years years older than me, and I did almost nothing to try. So much better than anything my age with 1+ kids and baby dads who still orbit or are in jail.

[–]PaulAJK 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Now 20 year olds' mothers are often hotter than their daughters,

This is so true, and it's unique in world history.

[–]1sardinemanR 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I think this is how guys become MGTOW.

Most guys start out as beta, some start out as natural alphas. Everyone that finds their way here and wants to improve becomes at least an alpha in training, a lot of people get to where they want to be in terms of being alpha and spin plates and have success with women.

Then at some point some men have had enough and start raising standards. Then it's either be a sigma or go MGTOW. Especially the older someone gets and the more attractive women they've been with, there's less of that desperation to just stick your dick in something.

But I think that comes more in your 30s, most of the readers here are in their 20s so they're going to be in the "sow your oats" phase.

[–]bigcitytruth[🍰] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

A high SMV man will still get laid even if he's MGTOW. MGTOW does not mean celibacy.

[–]1whatsazipper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

MGTOW gets equated with celibacy because many incels take on and display the MGTOW title and are rather loud about it. It's a form of male hamstering.

[–]Xuixien_TheEpic 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Yep! I'm 31 so I fit nicely into your paradigm. Sex drive just started to wane, have been with more women than I thought I would be with during my 20's, only two of which weren't 7+, had LTR's with three 8's.

At this point I've decided effort > reward. Maybe if I was younger and had a higher sex drive, there would be parity, but there isn't anymore. I read TRP to inform my thinking about human nature, gender dynamics, and just overall how to secure a more fulfilling life for myself. A lot of what's discussed on here applies beyond seduction.

[–]kaspell 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pretty much the same boat I find myself in with regards to the entire post. In my 30's, been there done a lot of strange, but where I'm at now is a small town and anything worth having gets snapped up by the Navy pilots (we don't have anything here other than fighter jocks really). Effort > reward. Maybe if i were living in a city still it would be different but probably not, I'm pretty comfortable with outcome independance and placing a higher priority on other things. My experience is that like with most things, when pussy rains, it pours. When it's dry, best go do something else.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I have the same problem where I live. The only time I see young women in their twenties that are above a 5 consistently is at the gym (even there they are VASTLY outnumbered by the overweight, obese, and elderly women). But daily everywhere else? Can't find them. I'm not going to practice game at the gym with these few women that are 5+, they are probably taken or are cock carousal riding sluts anyway. Plus I am there to work on my gains.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 11 points12 points  (9 children)

You know who is really fucked? Hispanics. I walked into a pluckers with my buddy after seeing Jurassic world. We were just there for 5 wings coupons. All around us though are close-to-obese hispanic men, women, and children. It was so disgusting. I am fully expecting healthcare costs to skyrocket. So I am now going to present a business plan to the fast food industry and medical insurance industry to partner together to create more fat people and generate more profits.

[–]ProjectShamrock 12 points13 points  (4 children)

All around us though are close-to-obese hispanic men, women, and children. It was so disgusting.

I know a girl from Mexico who was hot while she was down there, then went to live in the U.S. for a few years and ballooned up to a crazy weight. She went back down to Mexico, and lost the weight and looked good again. The native American ancestry isn't made for a U.S. style poor diet, and as we export more of our shitty food south, we see it having a bigger negative impact on them.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same with chinese too. McDonalds profits over there are soaring

[–]Chicago1871 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Except that Mexico has a higher obesity rate than the US.

Although, I think you're right a lot of that has to do with American companies selling the same sort of processed food they sell in the USA to Mexicans. They're the number one consumer of Coca-Cola per capita.

And also, Mexican homestyle cooking is heavy on carbs and fat because it was meant to fuel people working on farms all day and sharing it with huge families so there weren't any seconds. It's kind of like Southern food, basically.

[–]ProjectShamrock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Except that Mexico has a higher obesity rate than the US.

I don't recall where I saw this, but I believe the obesity rate in Mexico started to skyrocket right after NAFTA passed. The processed foods that we eat became much more common there, WalMart opened there, more fast food restaurants opened, and jobs changed from being more farm work to becoming more industrial in some areas.

And also, Mexican homestyle cooking is heavy on carbs and fat because it was meant to fuel people working on farms all day and sharing it with huge families so there weren't any seconds. It's kind of like Southern food, basically.

The same could be said of French food even more, but I'd respectfully disagree on how prevalent carbs are in comparison to southern food in the U.S. The staples of a Mexican diet are beans and corn (usually as tortillas) but the quantity of carbs they get in their typical foods were generally lower than in ours. Portion sizes have also grown like they have here. I would argue that their normal food is generally healthier though. For example, if you took something like green beans which are healthy on their own, a southerner is going to cook them with bits of bacon and with butter or oil (or even more delicious, bacon with bacon grease.) A Mexican is probably going to just lightly cook them so they're still crispy, and put some lime juice on it and call it a day. They eat a lot more fresh fruit and vegetables than we do in the U.S., and less fried foods. You wouldn't know it by seeing the plates of diarrhea that we call Mexican food in the U.S. but if you stuck to a standard Mexican diet as opposed to a standard American diet you'd be healthier. The problem I've seen, is as you've pointed out they are the number one consumer of Coca Cola, and they've decided that it shows how affluent they are if they eat American food. For example, in the U.S. McDonalds is considered poor people food, while in Mexico it's a nice "American" restaurant. I've seen Mexican people in Mexico look down on getting a fresh steak with vegetables that were all harvested fresh and local so they can impress people by going to Chili's because it costs more. It's sad.

[–]Elodrian 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Medical insurance profits off people not having heart attacks.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The rates go up bro, you increase the rates and you make more money. Rates for everyone.

[–]denart4 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Ignore and dismiss any fatty/curvy/not slender woman, don't reward them for it. (unless you are fat, poor, lazy, ... yourself)

Over time woman will start working for it again. Well, working is a big word. Just having a normal eating pattern and not being on the couch the entire day will do the job.

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[–]bigcitytruth[🍰] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Exactly. 70% of the guys on here are fat themselves. Or at least "skinnyfat." They need to stop being in denial.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 13 points14 points  (18 children)

"Men in the US who are not in the top tier might want to consider either becoming top-tier or going overseas to meet women, as there are still many countries where the majority of women are slender."

If you got the money go for option n°2. Overseas, Eastern europe (like 5 countries, but pay attention to Moldova) + Thailand + Philipines + Cambodia + Laos + Vietnam.... Girls there are not corn fed ;)

Those are the hotspots I know. Don't know about south America.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Costa Rica is a fantastic spot for ex pats as well!

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I'm considering a trip to Moldova, along with Serbia. Last time I was in Belgrade it was communist and still called Yugoslavia. It has to be better now.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Don't expect too much from Serbia. Many hotties, but many fatties as well. They generally eat a lot of shit food. They're also quite tall, which ads to the total weight. Moldova on the other hand, sweet Jesus.

[–]MaxManus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Belgrad is the best Party City in all over Europe.

Have Fun!

[–]KermitTheeFrog777 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Great heuristic: filter for countries where the ads depict women trying to snag a man.

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[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You can probably start by filtering for countries that have more young women (18-35) than men.

For example: due to alcoholism and violence, Russia has many more women than men.


Russia now has the lowest life expectancy for males in a developed country (58 years) and the largest disparity in the world between male and female life expectancy (13.5 years; see Figure 5).

War-torn countries also tend to kill off many young men, leaving many women without marriage prospects.

NOTE: I feel very badly that these sorts of conditions exist and I wish they didn’t. At the same time, by considering a woman from one of these countries, you’re helping balance out the gender ratio.

[–]VayneWolf 9 points10 points  (6 children)

I remember at a party once where this very unattractive fat chick was trying to hit on me, while eating a pepperoni pizza at the same time.
It was fucking gross

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 27 points28 points  (0 children)

That video of dancing girls in the 70s shows unrealistic expectations for women, only 0.0000005% of the world population has the genetics to look like that! It must be starving supermodels only, because real women have triple chins and their skin blouses over their elbows.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (64 children)

To be fair that stat is inflated because the population is older than it was in 1960. It's still bad, but I doubt any single age group weighs 25-30 lbs more today than the same age group back then, men or women.

edit 1: I couldn't have been more wrong. Another fun fact: In 2010 the average 20-29 year old female weighs 28.6 pounds more than the average 16 year old (also in 2010). It's almost like each ride on the CC causes them to plump up just a little bit more. Like a bicycle pump inflating one of those sumo suits.

edit 2: Just for fun, what these women might look like:

[–]HAMMURABl 6 points7 points  (62 children)

Its also broken down by age groups, ppl are significantly fatter

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (61 children)

Holy shit was I wrong. The average female 20-29 years old weighs 34.2 pounds more in 2010 than 1960!!! How the fuck is that possible???? I was assuming the gap would expand the older the age grouping, but with females it contracts to about 25 pounds.

For reference the gap for 20-29 year old males starts at about 20 pounds more in 2010 than in 1960 and expands from there as the age group increases, peaking at about 33 pounds in the 50-59 group.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The equivalency is that a modern girl now carries the equivalent of a small gym plate in fat in her fupa everywhere she goes.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 19 points20 points  (58 children)

Are you kidding me ? Corn of course. It's in everything you eat and it triggers fat storing hormones and contains more sugar than a coke can.


[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I was looking at the numbers and 1980 a before with all age groups there were only slight increases, maybe barely outside the margin of error. Post 1980 is when everything starts to blow up rapidly. Thats when the first official Dietary Guidelines for Americans were published, which influence school lunches and the low fat craze. At the same time HFCS was becoming popular too, usually the default ingredient to replace the fat that was removed.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And people think the government is a better judge of food safety than a farmer.... the madness.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 13 points14 points  (16 children)

It's carbs in general. I switched to a ketongenic diet 14 months ago and it still astounds me from time to time, how the industry manages to slip in carbs in just anything.

I am German and I suppose that generally speaking our food is of higher quality than that in the US, but it's still hard to find any processed food which hasn't sugar or artificial sweeteners added to it.

Who the fuck does need sugar in mayonaise? Or in frozen vegetables?

[–]Elodrian 4 points5 points  (2 children)

In the US, they put corn syrup in their bread. They basically make their sandwiches out of two slices of cake.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I used to base my diet nearly solely on bread. I just love the smell and taste of a dark rye bread, called "Paderborner" here, with a crunchy crist freshly out of the oven. Preferably the end piece, cut one inch thick, with a thick layer of good butter and some salt sprinkled on it. Nearly the only thing I miss from time to time.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Germans are always doing some kind of exercise: cross country skiing, hiking, running, a sport, something. I did not see one fat local during my stay. Not one. All the fat people were Americans. I saw the biggest woman I've ever met in person wearing a U.S. Airforce uniform. I could go on an on about the things America could learn from Europe in general.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (34 children)

The rise in high fructose corn syrup in food coincides with a rise in processed food so its really a cop out this whole idea of HFCS being sneaked into food.

Easy solution - stop eating processed food!

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 14 points15 points  (33 children)

It's not that easy, you can either buy cookies with HFCS or make them from Scratch now a days.... think about that. Do you always have time to make them when the kids come around?

Soda pop, same shit. Can't even make that from scratch, and since there's a good 85 to 90 billion $ in North American corn subsidies the stuff is practically free so all those foods are cheaper (and taste better) than the competition.

At current rate of progression of Obesity, half of the entire population will be Obese in 14 years.

If the US government stopped subsidizing to Agro, Defence and Oil (three industries that have huge and consistent profits) it could save 400 billion a year overnight. You could cut taxes and the deficit at once.

But they pay a lot of politicians to keep these legalized thefts in place.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (8 children)

I don't drink soda pop because its full of sugar. When I was a kid in the 80's my parents wouldn't let me drink it either ...because, its full of sugar. I drink soda water with a squirt of lemon or lime if I want a flavoured drink. Same for cookies, ill just have one or two. None of this stuff is essential, its all junk food HFCS or not. Don't put this shit in your face and you won't get fat. Easy!

[–]Ovadox 11 points12 points  (0 children)

True story. I cut out 90% of the beer and refined sugar I was consuming and went from 5'11/195 lb to 175 lb.

Also, RIP fatpeoplehate

[–]cakemuncher 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I agree. My parents raised me on home cooked middle eastern food. I hated it when I was a kid but had to deal with it. Now that I'm older I realized they were right. Everyone tells me I'm slim. My current white girlfriend of two years keeps asking me how I stay thin without working out while she goes running and does ab workouts on daily basis.

I know exactly why. This is her regular everyday food: wake up, eat 2 frozen breakfast tacos, drink Dr. Pepper + Redbull on the way to work. Keep drinking Dr. Pepper at work to get that jolt of energy. Eat whatever fast food she wants during work. Come home, eat triscuits because they're "healthy" with cheese on the side. Lots of cheese. I'm really amazed at how much cheese she eats. She downs about half lb of cheese daily. And that's basically her daily meals.

My girl weighs 125-130. I'm 155-160. She's a little shorter than me.

[–]NidStyles 4 points5 points  (5 children)

If she is Germanic in heritage, she is fine with the cheese. She shouldn't be drinking soda though. If you can get her off that, the weight would likely melt off of her.

[–]sedatedinsomniac 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Cheaper, yes. Taste better, no. Just look at the popularity of Mexican CocaCola. That stuff is made with sugar instead of corn syrup and it tastes a lot better.

[–]beginner_ 8 points9 points  (6 children)

there really isn't any difference between HFCS and sugar. HFCS has 55% Fructose, sugar 50%. In HFCS Fructose and Glucose are already split, in Sugar this happens almost instantly in your mouth due to enzymes.

The bad thing here is the fructose. For health purposes, sugar and HFCS are equally bad. The thing is HFCS is much, much cheaper and hence put into everything.

[–]PaulAJK 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Soda is for kids. America is the only place on earth where adults routinely consume sweet fizzy drinks. Just cut it out.

[–]SleepNowMyThrowaway 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fuck your cookies, shelf bought or from scratch. Fuck those empty carbs.

[–]199639 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Table sugar, even cane sugar, is a dimer so it's 50% glucose 50% fructose. HFCS is 45% glucose 55% fructose. You seriously think that 5% difference matters? People get fat as fuck on processed foods and sodas because it's filled with calories and isn't filling because of low protein content. They eat until they feel full, which turns out to be a massive excess of calories, and then drink another 1500 calories a day in soda without thinking. All while not doing shit. They drive their fat ass to a desk and sit all day then go home and sit on the couch. No walking to the store, no running with friends, no exercise at all.

[–]holytrpbatman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tldr: Americans are fat because they are fucking lazy, and eat enough food for two people at every meal.

[–]satchmole 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Home made cookies and store bought cookies will both make you fat. Don't eat any of that shit. Meat, veggies, fruit and cheese/yogurt/milk is all you should be eating. Corn syrup in store bought cookies won't affect you at all if you're eating it in moderation like a healthy person.

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It's because with out PE girls get fat

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Visiting America for the summer. Saw my first obese american woman yesterday. She was sitting in front of her house smoking and drinking beer. She was soooo fat that I took a picture.


I then explained I wanted to take picture to show my family. Obese people are kind of a fairy taile here in Europe. I told her "I never saw someone that fat! I want to show it to my family when I come back!". She replied something I didn't understand (was speaking too fast) but I thought she was threatening me so I said "or else what? You will run after me?" while laughing. Your women are fascinating. America is like a zoo. She threw her beer bottle at me though.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Excellent use of the new formatting rules. Thank you!

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And thank you for putting those rules in place. Most of my submissions were close to following that format anyway.

[–]1sardinemanR 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You have to drill it down by location, age and ethnicity.

Black women are pretty much all obese in every state and at every age.

But if you're looking for 18-25 year old white women especially in major cities like NYC or LA, the numbers are a lot better.

[–]ChiefReap 12 points13 points  (8 children)

I don't even weigh that much D:

[–]bourbonhipster 8 points9 points  (0 children)

its kinda pathetic to learn that stat considering a guy with some pretty solid numbers well over his own body weight (perhaps well over twice his body weight) at ~6' and still have a bit of body fat on him can weigh just a few lbs less than that 'average'. how sad

[–]_eskimo_brothers_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hahaha right? As I double my mass gainer in-between-meals shake.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For reference, here’s a 166lb male deadlifting over 500lbs.


[–]Hardcore_MB 5 points6 points  (1 child)

When I've travelled to other countries, like the Dominican Republic for instance, women who are fat are routinely called out on it. Here in the US that's not socially acceptable.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In Asia, it is similar - fat shaming is a national sport. Consequently, there are not many fat women.

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I used to have a book that had a cover that showed a grade school photo from the eighties next to one in the 2000s. The eighties class was well dressed and no one was obese. The 2000s class was disheveled and had dirty, stained clothes. Several children were morbidly obese and there was only one child I remember looking "normal". The rest were various levels of fat. The teacher in the eighties was some prim and proper woman with her hair permed for picture day. The teacher in the 2000s wore tie dye, had an acoustic guitar and had a stupid grin on his face.

The book was meant to show how diversity had changed in the classroom since the first photo was all white and the second had all races (and a couple of girls in burkas) but all I could see how fat and lazy the second photo had become.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Fat is the new normal and it's sad. There are a lot of fatasses out there who claim they're in shape while looking like the fucking Michelin Man, the bloated version. These turds need to put the cheeseburgers down.

[–]holytrpbatman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most of the pigs enjoy being fat, lazy uggoes.

[–]Kellermann 4 points5 points  (0 children)

[–]dnkfkr 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Lol Ihad to bulk to get to 166

[–]badreportcard 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm 30 years old 5'7" and 150 lbs, it's damn near impossible to find someone smaller, most girls my age are not in good shape and I live near NYC, it's terrible

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I live in the same area and my height-weight is in the neighborhood. I see the same thing. When a girl is actually skinny, you have a TON of competition. I can understand a man getting frustrated with that. To have to be THE man out of >1000 just to get with one chick? I would probably stop giving a fuck too.

[–]Booksarefun666 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fat acceptance and men hamstering about curves and how fat women are more beautiful is definitely a problem. I mean if you're genuinely a chubby chaser then more power to you but I do wonder how many of them are "into" it because of fear of being shamed.

[–]A_Cubicle_Jockey 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I said this elsewhere about big girls on dating sites, and got trounced on and was told that I'm full of shit.

Just because you're a chubby guy does not mean that a chubby girl is going to want you. She is being pursued just as much as the skinny girls, and she knows it. They know that there are plenty of guys who will go out of their way to sleep with them. There are a lot of fit guys at the gym with their pudgy girlfriends. I was told by a fatty that I need to lower my standards. And she wasn't talking about her.

[–]VayneWolf 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Really now, a woman doesn't have to reay do shit in comparison to a man to have a "good" body.
Women just have to not eat so dam much and maybe go for a run a couple times a week at most.
Men have to lift, count calories, and do cardio regularly for that 6 pack.

[–]SQQQ 9 points10 points  (2 children)

seriously guys... how the fuck do u do it with 160lb of landwhale? i couldn't get an erection if she throws herself at me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

160lb isnt that bad even, wait until you see some of the girls in the 200's.
One thing no one is mentioning is that the way a girl smells or tastes down stairs is largely based on diet, so all these ham beasts have POOR hygiene and horrendous smelling lady parts.

[–]thederpist666 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've always thought this, but it's nice to hear it in writing. Also I've noticed being in my 20's, most women have the out of shape to fat physique that people usually got after having multiple kids and when they were entering their 40's to 50's. Your metabolism slows down when you're older, but if people are already fat now and do nothing about it, they are going to only balloon up even more in their 30's and 40's.

[–]tindermaster1986 2 points3 points  (0 children)

HOLY SHIT. I would never have guessed 166.2 pounds. That's sickening, absolutely sickening.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Men are getting heavier too - but being slender is not as important for a man as it is for a woman.

You don't need to be slim to pump up a girl's entitlement, and your beta bucks are just as good as anyone else's!

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very good way of putting it.

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[–]BlaiseDB 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unlike places like Viet Nam where nutrition has vastly improved over the last 50 years leading to an increase in average height, Americans are largely stuck with women at 5'4" and men at 5'10". Being 5'4" and 166 pounds is hideous. That is why on the SMV scale the average woman in America is not a 5, she is a 4 or a 3.

While 2/3 of American women are overweight it increases to 3/4 for black chicks which is part of the reason they lose a point of SMV overall. On the other hand, Chinese women (and I suspect Asian women generally, but I will just speak from personal experience and credible sources) have an average BMI 4 or 6 points lower than American women which gives them +1SMV in most situations.

Factor in attitude and culture and the Chinese get another +1 over Americans.

It gets a bit iffy in the stratosphere so if you are banging American 8's then you won't be getting 9's or your 10 over here (especially if you don't learn the lingo) but for an AFC who feels lucky to get a handjob from a 4 this place is swimming with 6's and 7's.

[–]ThreeLF 4 points5 points  (2 children)

"• Men are getting heavier too - but being slender is not as important for a man as it is for a woman."

I don't know if I'd say that. I mean you wouldn't use the word slender, but hell I'd argue that the physique of a man is more important than the physique of a woman.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

There are many more factors to a man’s SMV then there are to a woman’s. Look at Patrice O’Neal - his SMV was huge and he was a fat fuck.

[–]Mouthpiece 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And now he's dead, and his SMV is zero.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ITT: Everyone circlejerking about how fat women are while conveniently leaving out that most men are also disgusting fat asses. Time to get out of that anger phase, fellas.

[–]JesusWillCum 1 point2 points  (2 children)

to be honest, some fat chicks are pretty hot, not like balrog level fat, jsut old school curvy fat.

[–]LargeDan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's really hard to believe the average woman is 160 pounds. At first I thought that couldn't be right, most of the girls I know are pretty small and fit. Then I remembered my last trip to my local Walmart and it clicked.

[–]Helmut_Newton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As you mentioned, you can definitely see this trend in media. Watch movies/TV from the 60's/70's and most young women are slim, sexy and smiling.

Of course, the media does still show slim, happy women. But they are less and less reflective of reality nowadays.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

We just moved to the US, my wife is a size 2 dress or size Small in Europe, here she is a size XXS! Few stores carry XXS dont know why, her BMI is in the healthy category..

On the + side, we have been sharing every single meal out(portion size wtf) and we still put on some weight..

If i was single, i would date a fat girl.. If she was willing to put in the work to lose weight. I would stay away from anyone who thinks being obese is OK.

[–]mty_green_go 4 points5 points  (1 child)

i would date a fat girl.. If she was willing to put in the work to lose weight

The reason they are fat in the first place is because they like eating junk food and are not willing to put in the work to lose weight.

[–]readitreddit0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women working full time and trying to have successful careers is not helping with this problem. My ex boss (who is a CPA working from her basement, working 10 hour days) is 4'11" and must be about 250 lbs but she said just has absolutely no strength after working to hit the gym. Women in the 1960s were mainly in the home and rarely had careers, maybe they were a secretary before marrying their boss, and had more time to take care of themselves. They weren't fit by any means, but they were just not fat asses either. Obesity not only comes from not having enough time to take care of yourself, but also from eating one's feelings. Depression is definitely more common these days, and women often eat to remove some of the pain. I often hear women say "I'm having a bad day. Let's go to Dunkin' Donuts."

You're right about women today not having innocent faces. Our society has tried to turn women into men by making them assertive and masculine. Society tries to turn females into alpha males and males into beta females.

[–]SophisticatedIce 5 points6 points  (7 children)

I wonder how much of this is muscle, with more women participating in athletics and weight lifting? No doubt they've gotten fatter, but I'm just wondering.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

They’ve certainly gotten taller, that’s probably part of it.

My scientific wild-ass guess is that 5% of the increase is muscle, 10% is height, and 85% is fat.

[–]Complecs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A very insignificant amount? There definitely are not that many women who are putting on 35 pounds of muscle, nor men for that matter.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

The food in the USA is laced with corn oil and other additives (GMO) to make Americans fat.

Take chicken from Europe and compare it to the USA, the same chicken breast is probably 20% more calorie dense than it's European counterpart.

Therefore the trick is to eat smaller portions in the USA and count calories to lose fat.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's a lot of things:

  • As you mention, the USA overuses corn and sugar.

  • The USA both glorifies cars and builds cities in a way that you need cars. In some European countries, you can get away with not owning a car because of walking, biking and occasional public transportation. I have a driver's license but don't own or need a car. I do own a bike and use it almost daily.

  • HAES and fat acceptance are more prevelant in the USA. There's also a bit of that in Europe, but back when I was obese, my friends and family shamed me into losing weight. It worked, I'm no longer obese and I'm very thankful for that.

  • We have playtime and PE at school. I've been told that US schools have been cutting back on that.

  • Our portion sizes, plates, etc are much smaller. We also don't get free refills for our drinks.

That being said, Europe's getting fatter too.

[–]bryanlharris 3 points3 points [recovered]

The trick is to maintain insulin and leptin sensitivity. Smaller portions does can do just the opposite after a couple of decades. It might work for a while though I'll give you that.

Edit: changed to "can do". Also I think hormone disregulation is pretty obviously why some people can lose weight doing CICO while others can't get CICO to work no matter how hard they try.

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