Red Pill TheoryInnocence and Toughness (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP VanguardWhisper

A poor confused young thing asked me the other day "So oral sex is still sex?".

Yes, dear, all that head you gave increased your partner count. And it sucks for you that no one told you that. That no one ever bothered to explain just what the realities of men's desires are, because they were all too busy trying to change those desires.

So it's time to tackle, once and for all, the question... what do men want? Why do men prefer virgins to sluts? And why do women prefer players to virgins?

Well, today, we're going to explain this point. Not prove it, but explain it. Let's look, not at some real pictures, but at some drawn stereotypes.

Here are two drawings of young, innocent looking people.

A girl.

And a boy.

Here are two drawings of old, tough, grizzled looking people.

A woman.

And a man.

You can already see. The pictures are carefully selected for similar style and representation. But notice how in the girl in the first set is much more appealing than the woman in the second set, while, if you are a woman, the man in the second set is more appealing than the boy in the first set. Why? Because we are evolved to select mates for health (in both sexes), but also for parental fitness.

What is parental fitness in a male parent? The ability to protect his offspring (by fighting), and provide for them (by hunting). In other words, a man who is tough, a proven survivor, and good at killing.

What is parental fitness in a female parent? The ability to bear healthy children (youth and fertility), and also the ability to raise healthy and confident children (by nurturing and interacting with them). In other words, a woman who is young, innocent, and good at loving.

Everyone, male or female, exists on a continuum from innocence to toughness. But what's important to understand is that this is a one-way street. The innocent can become tough. The tough cannot become innocent.

This is why men desire sexually inexperienced women. With every new partner, a woman becomes more experienced. With every breakup, she becomes more toughened against heartbreak, and less liable to emotionally invest. Each new penis removes some of the quality and air of innocence that men desire, and the less emotionally attached she is to the owner of that penis, the more innocence is removed.

The classic slut/feminist shibboleth "Don't you want an experienced woman who knows exactly how to touch your penis really well?" is nonsense. The organ of sexual excitement is the brain. An inexpert, but enthusiastic and highly attractive woman is a much better sexual partner than seasoned penis handler who's seen it all before and doesn't think you're anything special. She's less excited, and so are you. This is why feminists love vibrators. Because they've destroyed their innocence, and have no adoration for their sexual partners. Their dull, flat, lifeless emotional involvement inhibits their orgasm, and they need lots of "just right" physical stimulation, right on the clitoris. A high school girl having an affair with her teacher can come from his fingers on her nipples, because it's the first time anyone ever took her bra off, and she's excited and nervous and overwhelmed.

This why girls need a patriarchy. Because they start their sex lives at the peak of their sexual attractiveness, both physical and emotional, and without guidance, they will fritter away that quality of innocence before they even know it exists or is important.

And there's no going back. A young man who errs by being not tough enough can always harden the fuck up later. But a girl who errs by hardening up cannot go back down that one-way street.

Men wanting virgins isn't just about literally virginity, it is about the qualities of youthfulness and innocence.

So, no, dear, keeping your legs closed and sucking cock instead does not make you stay desirable.

[–]103342 297 points298 points  (14 children)

Just a quick reminder for everyone here that I think it would be useful to me.

DON'T go around telling people this shit, you will come off as bitter.

The thing is: this is obvious. But most people don't see it that way these days. Their problem.

Use this information to change your actions not your words, adapt to our new reality. MRA won't change shit, I'm calling it right now, the MRA movement is a consequence of our society's behavior.

Spin plates, treat sluts like sluts, stay emotionally UNinvested in women, lift, get money.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 99 points100 points  (7 children)

Keep it to yourself, unless you have a daughter going through puberty.

[–]chuckthundercock 55 points56 points  (1 child)

Agreed.I blatantly give my son and daughter the absolute opposite advice and my RPW confirms it. Daughter is introverted nerd in highschool, son is baseball athlete, banging loose highschool girls.

[–]longshot1710 10 points11 points  (4 children)

What types of things would you say to your daughter that stem from RP theory? It is somewhat difficult for me to imagine in much depth as I do not have one or any children for that matter.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I'd tell her that men desire innocent, sweet and feminine women with a low partner count.

I wouldn't say much more than that, as if I ever were to have children (which is doubtful) I'd make damn sure that the RPW mother would behave accordingly and would understand these concepts herself, and would teach the bulk of them herself. However, true to a patriarchal household, my daughter would need such important advice to be underwritten from the head of the family, ie me.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 5 points6 points  (1 child)

How does a father say this?

Honey, men want attractive, feminine women that keep their hair long, their bodies fit, mouths mostly shut, and stay submissive. Your friends will more than likely be sluts, don't fall under the influence of your peers and stay the hell away from social media because your ego will be shot through the stratosphere and make you delsuional about dating prospects.

Being slutty will get you more attention, but you will be discarded and left to dry for the beta males. No worhty man will want to commit to you. Keep riding the cock carousel and partying sweetheart and your already short smv peak wil decline at an accelerated rate causing you to smack the wall head first. Cock by cock your ability to pair bond will diminish and the young innocent feminine spirit men desire will be sucked dry.

Dont listen the feminist indoctrination while at school, you cannot have it all and you do need a man. Your focus should be having children with an older man who is respectable and able to provide for you all on his own, no thugs or losers your hypergamy confuses for alpha. If you fuck a high status man, you will ruin yourself for other men because no one will compare so choose carefully.

Understand Pumpkin? Run along now, go play with your toys

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Slowly and gradually over the intervening decade or so. If you can raise a child to believe that the Bible is literally true, you can raise a girl to obey her natural programming.

The advice and counsel would then be formally collected in one big conversation at the appropriate point in her life.

I'm 20 so I haven't planned it out to a great extent, but I think there's a middle ground between raising a modern-day empowered-slut and dropping the entire RP nuke on a pubescent girl all in one sitting.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What will you do when the first man doesn't impregnate and commit to her? How will you prepare her for explaining such vile behavior to the next man?

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The thing is: this is obvious. But most people don't see it that way these days. Their problem.

It's amazing how obvious certain things are after you deprogram yourself from the lies that virtually everyone has been telling you from day one.

Society: Older women are better! They're more accomplished, "stronger", wiser, more sexually experienced, more calculating, tougher, harder, fiercer, more hard-boiled, louder, sassier, more demanding...did I mention that they're more accomplished?

Man: then why am I attracted to young innocent women in their late teens and early twent...

Society: SHUT UP MISOGYNIST! Stop mansplaining or I'll shame you once again.

[–]1jimjackjoe -1 points0 points  (1 child)

you can def talk about it, just not directly. you can't be like, "well I was reading on redpill this ____ about women and now I know this ____ because I'm de-programed, doy doy doy." imagine describing yourself as "unplugged" to someone--you'd sound like a pompous retard, which is a werid combo.

but the other night I was at party entertaining a small group of chicks and in the course of convo I informed them that if they lost the right to vote, it wouldn't bother me at all--I wouldn't fight to get it back for them. I don't care that they can vote too, I'm not actively trying to take it away from them, but if they lost it I would not care cuz us men do everything anyway. wasn't arguing or trying to prove some deeper point--was just stating my honest opinion. anyway, they fucking loved it.

[–]Gunplayin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the right way to go about it.

[–][deleted] 158 points159 points  (6 children)

I liked the Cleveland Show explanation of why men like virgins.

"If I told you that you could open up a new soda pop OR drink one that's had seven penises in it, which would you prefer?"

[–]through_a_ways 54 points55 points  (5 children)

That line never gets old.

Women, unfortunately, do

[–]fjhlacrosse 4 points4 points [recovered]

or fortunately...It would blow if women retained their good looks until 45

[–]RBidziil 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Why is that? Opens more variety

[–]I_Am_My_Own_God 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They will always make more.

[–]thefisherman1961 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I personally wouldn't want women to retain their looks that long either, because that means that I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an 18 year old woman and a 45 year old woman. A 45 year old woman is far more likely to have experienced a large number of cocks than an 18 year old woman. That would reduce the efficiency with which you can filter out high-partner count women from low partner count women.

[–]RBidziil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's an excellent point, I hadn't thought of that.

[–]HAMMURABl 84 points85 points  (9 children)

completely agreed.

This why girls need a patriarchy. Because they start their sex lives at the peak of their sexual attractiveness, both physical and emotional, and without guidance, they will fritter away that quality of innocence before they even know it exists or is important.

it sometimes completely baffles me how little the 18 y/o's chicks i bang know they are actually worth. meanwhile, the 26+ y/o cohort thinks they are the shit when i can already see their wrinkles and know there ain't better times coming.

i guess 2-3 years on the cc ruins any girl irreversibly.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Yup. Having 30 cocks in you over time overinflates ego.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Nothing will pump up an attractive girls ego like going to university.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 7 points8 points  (3 children)

i guess 2-3 years on the cc ruins any girl irreversibly.

It's the whole lifestyle that they are addicted to - basically the spring break lifestyle.

Spend your days frolicking in UV rays wearing nothing but a tiny bikini and spend your nights eating fatty food, dancing in loud clubs, and downing tons of drugs/alcohol and chain smoking and then having sex until dawn - lots of partying and not enough sleep or exercise.

A few years of that would turn almost anyone into Keith Richards.

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[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I used to but try to avoid them these days as I’m trying to live a healthier lifestyle.

Some of them are realy hot but I don’t want to end up like Keith Richards either.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The research says one non marital cock throws your chances at staying married if you're a woman:

You might debate "the number" the reality is just "number" One (1) sex partner outside of the man she marries turns her into a slut that's it; it's because women define themselves by their actions as they must justify all of their behavior.

Here are some studies on the divorce statistics in relation to partner count:

Kahn and London, 1991

Laumann, Gagnon, Michael and Michaels, 1994

Heaton, 2002

Teachman, 2003

Paik, 2011

There was a study that showed up last year that I don't recall so if anyone has it please share it.

Here's a write up on the Teachman study's data and it's relationship to the heritage study's findings, it's got tables so it's easy to understand visually: http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2010/09/sexual-partner-divorce-risk.html

[–]NoHetro 73 points73 points [recovered]

it's the reason a lot of males are attracted to really young girls, but no one likes to mention this point because it's "disgusting" and "taboo"

[–]103342 70 points71 points  (6 children)

Wall hitting girls will judge you because your younger chick will remind her that she is getting old.

Your friends that are getting married to the wall hittin chicks will judge you because it will make them question their own life decisions.

Solution: I don't have any, its their problem not mine.

[–]NoHetro 13 points13 points [recovered]

i think you missed the taboo part, i meant girls under 18

[–]103342 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Oh... Well, I don't have anything to say about that. If it is illegal where you live, just stay away from the girls AND the subject.

[–]1sardinemanR 19 points20 points  (3 children)

That taboo changes by culture and by time. In the US it was mostly set by Hollywood and then socially engineered that way. But even in the old Hollywood films you can see in the 50s and 40s, there are a lot of underage women with much older men.

I've read a little bit about it, and there was a reason for raising up the age, and it had something to do with economic and class reasons, it happened in the industrial age in some parts of the country.

I've read some historians and other experts, as well somewhere on TRP, that the age will lower again as it is needed, as part of a cycle.

What OP wrote is correct, and if at some point there is a need, due to population or something, the age will get jammed down and older women will just be left alone and shunted out of society, the same way BP men have been devalued now. The only way to have a stable family structure is for women to have N=0 counts and to make marriage a lifelong commitment, so no divorce or anything else. But your average adult woman won't be able to do that, so the age will have to be lowered and society rebuilt that way.

But first is a collapse I suppose. Until then, lift and spin plates my brothers.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

the age will lower again as it is needed, as part of a cycle

This is generally how history works, goes back and forth between two extremes.

Which I find troublesome as we've now taken one extreme so far I'm wondering if the backlash will be particularly harsh and we'll find ourselves on the other extreme fairly fast. Instead of finding a middle ground we'll swing the pendulum right past it and society won't be any better for it - two generations of resentment at that extreme will push it back again.

The way feminist revise history to tell a story of oppression and shaming the ones who don't agree is like having a finger on the pendulum, pushing it even further up before letting go. There won't be enough moderates who want to stop at the middle, only opposition who wants to fight back at all costs.

[–]1sardinemanR 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It probably won't swing so far as you think, because of male's natural white knighting. The reason it will swing at all is because of economic collapse which will force males to rebuild society and do all the work again to protect and provide comfort for women.

The women will just retreat to the home where they are safe and where they hid while men toiled and struggled in dangerous mines or smokey factories working 14 hour days for a loaf of bread.

There is no history of actual female oppression, only males being oppressed. Feminists have to use major revisionist history and compare the lives of regular women to elite men to get anything at all to whine about, they can't use regular men of those times because the regular men always had it worse than the women. It's not like non-property owner males could even vote, and certainly male slaves didn't have it better than women either. And it's not like a rational man would want to go to war and die without even having any financial interest whatsoever for it either.

As soon as the economy no longer needs men again, the women will scurry back out of their homes and push men out of the workplace and positions of authority. This cycle has repeated for thousands of years. It will probably repeat until the end of humanity. Although at some point the male population will completely collapse.

[–]LuvBeer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In our culture, yes. But some South American plates make jokes about my fucking 18 year olds and almost encourage me to. It's like they are proud to be with a guy who can attract young and hot girls.

[–]jimjackjoe 46 points46 points [recovered]

i've never understood the "experienced women are better at sex" thing. even dudes have expressed this sentiment to me. from my experience, though, 10 times out of 10 the inexperienced 18 year old is a better lay than the seasoned 30 year old. there's no bigger turn-on than blowing a chick's mind for the first time/schooling her. teaching chicks to give head is awesome too. they catch on real quick if you're a nurturing, caring teacher, as I am. maybe this is just a matter of personal preference though.

[–]TheSKSpecial 28 points29 points  (5 children)

It's not just you, an inexperienced 18 year old that's eager and willing really is one of the greatest lays around. The catch is, as a man you have to have enough experience and know what you're doing in order to be able to enjoy it.

Experienced women are only better at sex if you're an inexperienced man.

[–]drunkandstoned 5 points6 points  (4 children)

The non-active participant prefers a more experienced partner. Men who crave being the non-active participant are usually beta losers who worship sluts and like blowjobs more than sex.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Hold up - are you knocking blow jobs?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I think he isn't demeaning BJs he's just saying gettin' your mushroom tip in them sugar walls is far more satisfying.

[–]5t3fan0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

all kindz of satisfying action.

all kindz.

[–]laughkisskill 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Enthusiasm. That's the thing that differs for me. All other things being equal, I'd always pick enthusiasm over experience.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 4 points5 points  (0 children)

10 times out of 10 the inexperienced 18 year old is a better lay than the seasoned 30 year old.

I'd have to agree here, especially if you happen to give her the first orgasm of her life. It's a very unique privilege.

I've had some older and more experienced women perform sexual acts on me that have blown my mind, and yet I still prefer woman in her late teens or early twenties. Somehow my cock knows that I'm fucking a young and nubile woman and I get extremely turned on. Even just grabbing her ass or leg feels better.

[–]One_friendship_plz 40 points41 points  (13 children)

Cold-approached 2 girls found out they were 16 was gonna bail on them and they said it's fine, they dated men much older than me.

There are no more virgins in this world. When America has an abundance of men trying to convince women to have sex with them, and because men are the "leaders" in this world, it's easy to convince women to be promiscuous and that it's alright.

We give them the impression that anything they do is fine because we'll still be fucking them which makes them think commitment will always be there.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Yeah aren't we contributing to the problem of always finding sloots if we continually just fuck around with girls? We're making sloots more slooty and turning virgins into sloots.

[–]One_friendship_plz 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Yes, but we don't have a working solution that will cure this problem within our lifespan, and that's why we repeat "Enjoy the decline." Switch teams and start enjoying life, and stop defining your happiness as a world where women are willing to commit and care about you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Yes, but we don't have a working solution that will cure this problem within our lifespan

Enjoying the decline may actually help bring about the solution. If men en masse "enjoy the decline" and bang sluts and never marry, some smart women will wise up and the market will undergo what is known as a correction. There will be a cultural backlash against slutty behavior not just by men, but by women.

There are already signs of this as the Princeton mom has written a book encouraging women to find a husband while in university. It's not mainstream at all, it is still very fringe, but older women will learn and they will dispense their advice to young girls. If the male market continues to be saturated by blue pill betas, girls have no incentive to curtail their slutty behavior. There is a strong propaganda machine to make males beta, but propaganda always fails in the long run, incentives are much stronger. Right now, despite the propaganda machine, shaming, supply of betas, Millennials are marrying less than previous generations, and it is only decreasing. Despite the backlash against truth tellers like the Princeton mom (and TRP and RPW), the incentives will force a market correction.

In your own small way, by banging sluts, foregoing marriage, and enjoying the decline, you are, in effect, bringing about the market correction to feminism.

Interestingly, red pill men win either way. In a blue pill world, you get endless cheap pussy and the freedom to live your life on your terms. When the market corrects and society turns red (culturally and legally), red pill men will still bang sluts (they will always exist), but also enjoy virgin brides and the joys of building a legacy through children that can't be kidnapped from them as they are in betaworld. Regardless of the color of society, red men always win. But civilization only stands when things are red. Blue pill policies make civilization crumble.

[–]One_friendship_plz 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I disagree with this because society only cares about immediate problems. If this was true, then you wouldn't have the abundance of college students with degrees that don't benefit them, or the children who go to college to be an entrepeneur.

It is really hard to convince someone to make sacrifices to enjoy life 15+ years from now. And of all people it's hard to convince a woman to not act on her emotions and take the logical long-term outcome.

At worst a beta husband brings about a mild-comfort to a majority of women's life. See through the len's of another persons life and realize how complacent people are with having shitty lives.

If a woman gets pumped & dumped 20 times, she'll hamster into convincing herself that her life is fun & fulfilling despite working at the gas station and coming home to cry every right and try again each weekend to pull the next guy who will pump & dump her.

It takes disconnecting yourself intellectually to perceive the situation of your life objectively.

Not everyone can come to terms "my life is shit." or "I fucked up." You know what happens when a woman fucks 100 guys, marries the beta for a mild comfort and has a daughter? She tells her daughter to do the same thing because she doesn't know better.

The corruption on average starts at the age of 16, and like OP stated every penis that goes in her fucks her up.

It's a pointless battle and your only hope of a solution is to do some KONY 2012 shit and use peoples sheeplike "immediate-problem-only" mindsets against them. You'd have to manipulate society as a whole. They would be less promiscuous because that's the new fad, and not because of consequences.

Edit: Also let's not forget no matter what you do to society, men want pussy and will do anything to get it and as long as men are looked at as leaders then women will stay promiscuous, because you can be an Alpha making minimum wage and no education..ex-criminal.

[–]BrunoOh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She tells her daughter to do the same thing because she doesn't know better.

Women would rather protect the younger version of themselves than their own young.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good reply. This is definitely not a cut and dry issue, and there is much room for debate.

I disagree with this because society only cares about immediate problems. If this was true, then you wouldn't have the abundance of college students with degrees that don't benefit them

Market corrections are never immediate. They take time. There is a natural "boom and bust" cycle. For example education had its boom period when kids spent $40k a year on a degree in "pottery." Now that the bill is coming due we are seeing the market correction in the form of men abandoning higher education. Enough people knew people who were working at Starbucks after college (so common it became a cliche) and up to their eyeballs in debt to say "no thanks."

However this isn't a free market, and there are strong government forces at work propping up industry with free money because the oligarchy at the top is raking in the profits. There will always be people following the incentives to crash the system, and also people profiting enough that they wish the status quo to continue for as long as possible. But market corrections always come. And pussy is a market.

The correction has already occurred in Japan, where men can't be bothered at all with women (and vice versa). Japanese men are plugged into their video games and hobbies and have very little desire for female companionship at its going rate.

Also let's not forget no matter what you do to society, men want pussy and will do anything to get it

Men want pussy, but pussy is very easy to obtain. Commitment is not only more valuable, but is a much harder commodity to secure. The truth is that women need men much more than men need women. ALL men are familiar with monk mode. ALL men have access to prostitution if they really need relief. But women have an uphill battle to get commitment from men.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

People will shit talk church but there are still virginal church girls, aim for the ones still living at home and not going to university yet.

[–]One_friendship_plz 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Ok here's my major concern with TRP looking for virgins. If you find one, then that's great!

But let's say you find one that IS the actual type to commit, she requests no sex before marriage, and actually sticks to that rule.

If you acknowledge AWALT, then enjoy the potential for divorce rape. Or who knows maybe the sex really sucks and she rarely puts out?

You can't screen this kind of shit if you have to wait till marriage for sex.

In other words, virgin game is a massive gamble and has the potential of you wasting a huge portion of your life.

You end up sexless for year(s) only to find out she rarely puts out because she has an insanely low testerone or w.e or she ends up cheating on you 2 years in the marriage because after her first time having sex she can't stop craving men more alpha than you.

Edit: and if you want to argue that virgin church girls put out easily, then all it takes is one alpha to ruin an entire church. Making them equally as scarce.

[–]darkrood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sigh.. all sluts were innocent virgins at one time, it's often the decision after the virginity that counts.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's more complex than all that but mostly if you find a girl who wont put out and is a virgin but you can convince to put out after about 6 months then you can craft a fairytale for her and the slight statistical difference wont affect her being a great choice for marriage.

[–]rojo-pildora 16 points17 points  (1 child)

This is why Dante Hicks was pissed off when he found out that his girlfriend sucked 37 dicks. Its not the same as sex but it still counts. That's why they call it oral sex.

[–]chuckthundercock 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That rhymes, I'm inspired to write a limerick: Dante Hicks, Dante Hicks His little whore girlfriend sucked 37 dicks Some were little, some were thick Some had sores, and some had zits, never stopped that whore of Dante Hicks..

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Used up, used car, some low mileage with no defects, some high mileage and been in an accident or two.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This why girls need a patriarchy[5] .

Not only girls, but all of society: Daniel Amneus - The Garbage Generation

[–]NeoreactionSafe 20 points21 points  (0 children)

"This why girls need a patriarchy. Because they start their sex lives at the peak of their sexual attractiveness, both physical and emotional, and without guidance, they will fritter away that quality of innocence before they even know it exists or is important."

Within the Love and Order that came with the Patriarchy a woman could actually move more deeply past her Lust towards some level of actual Love in the highest sense.

What we get now is the deterioration that comes from repeated acts of Lust (chasing Chad ThunderCock) and this drags a woman downward.

The Patriarchy actually allowed women to actualize their better nature... which contradicts their true nature which is pure Lust. (Chaos)


[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Women require a competent man. The experienced man in a picture can take care of her, make her longterm safe and secure, and provide. Men need to be the competent man who can ensure not only his welfare but his partner's too. Men are built to take up the slack. We don't need an experienced woman to take any. Women are useless though and need someone to help them. We don't mind; we're built for it. That's why gender roles work.

[–]Magnum256[🍰] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Good point. Ties in with being confident and having your shit together. If you appear to effortlessly take care of yourself it will give the impression that you could easily take care of others. If your life is an obvious mess it'll be clear to others that you can't suitably handle any additional burden.

Common sense I guess but it's nice to verbalize it.

[–]1London-Bananas -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not to blame men, but a beta is someone who incites this behavior. If the beta seeks in his woman the strength, confidence and security he shield be building in himself. His woman has to act like a man, becomes frustrated and can impossibly submit to such a weak man

[–]Prattler26 13 points14 points  (0 children)

With every new partner, a woman becomes more experienced. With every breakup, she becomes more toughened against heartbreak, and less liable to emotionally invest.

This is why you don't need to ask for the N count. All you need is observe her.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Roosh had a good article on the subject.

Men and Women are affected differently by life experience [Archived]


"Experience does not affect men and women the same. For one sex, experience is a stimulator of growth, a giver of value, and a path to virtue, while in the other sex, experience corrupts and creates embitterment, sadness, cat-hoarding, and decreased virtue. One sex should embrace experience to gain the strength that makes them a better human being while the other should avoid experience to preserve a more wholesome and innocent nature that makes them a worthy long-term partner capable of bearing children."


"Experience to a woman is like a puppy suffering abuse at the hands of its master. It rewires her brain to become cynical, jaded, distrustful, and sour. The benefits of these experiences fails to penetrate her brain, like a small stone skipping over a creek. All the experience in the world will not make her a more suitable life partner in the eyes of men, simply because her brain is not able to digest and process experiences like men."

[–]through_a_ways 2 points3 points  (1 child)

simply because her brain is not able to digest and process experiences like men

Women show more activity in the amygdala when they process stimuli.

The amygdala is the "emotional center" of the brain.

Teenagers also show more amygdala activity than adults.

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)


Sex differences

The amygdala is one of the best understood brain regions with regard to differences between the sexes. Larger male than female amygdalae have been demonstrated in children ages 7–11,[13] in adult humans,[14] and in adult rats.[15]

In addition to size, other differences between men and women exist with regards to the amygdala. Subjects' amygdala activation was observed when watching a horror film. The results of the study showed a different lateralization of the amygdala in men and women. Enhanced memory for the film was related to enhanced activity of the left, but not the right, amygdala in women, whereas it was related to enhanced activity of the right, but not the left, amygdala in men.[16] One study found evidence that on average, women tend to retain stronger memories for emotional events than men.[17]

The right amygdala is also linked with taking action as well as being linked to negative emotions,[18] which may help explain why males tend to respond to emotionally stressful stimuli physically. The left amygdala allows for the recall of details, but it also results in more thought rather than action in response to emotionally stressful stimuli, which may explain the absence of physical response in women.


It's not quite as simple as you say

[–]MiguelForte -1 points0 points  (3 children)

" simply because her brain is not able to digest and process experiences like men."

Can you please explain the why behind this? I'm still learning.

[–]One_friendship_plz 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Emotion & instinct affects your ability to think critically.

Instinct provides the platform upon which cognitive skills are built. Since what one thinks depends upon what one believes, and belief has a major emotional component, critical thinking is a difficult skill to develop. Continuous effort is required to overcome one's tendency to respond impulsively.

If you can accept that women are more emotional beings then I hope this starts to make sense.

If it doesn't let me know and I'll edit this with sources and a deeper explanation. I'm considering on giving a scientific explanation that describes the hamster and how it's very real which results in completely damaging their ability to take the same approach as a male despite even having a high IQ (Some of you ran into the intelligent woman who still is fucked up in the head and does "women things")

[–]MiguelForte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, I see. Basically, they can't critically think as well as men, because their thought proccess is clouded by their emotions. Thank you.

I think it would be a great ideia if you could make this a longer post with more details and possibly real life examples, and post it in this sub, as a post and not as just a comment.

[–]HeelsDownEyesUp 5 points6 points  (11 children)

Interested on RP's thoughts on this one: what about the virgin women who have only pleasured themselves? Does that count as loss of innocence to you? In the scenario she is aware enough to abstain from partners, but still struggling with her libido in that meantime. Cough cough I'm asking for a friend...

[–]chuckthundercock 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I'm an older sliverback of the forum, so I think I'm qualified to answer. I've seen a lot of just naturally high testosterone women, the reality is that most of them are whores. The unicorns of the group would stick to long term boyfriends and fuck the living shit out of them. The mileage was high, but the number of drivers was low, which means they were better taken care of as opposed to the "rental cars." It was always a theme of those with good daddies were the ones who picked long term fuck partners as opposed to being run through like the Lincoln Tunnel.

[–]adamryanx 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This. High testosterone women tend to be more hairy though, which is something I find unattractive. It's like nature's cruel way of fucking with us.

[–]drunkandstoned 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just tell them to shave more often, it works well for subtle negging too.

[–]MiguelForte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, I didn't get it. So, high testosterone women are better for a stable, monogamous relationship? Or is it the other way around?

[–]HeelsDownEyesUp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was always a theme of those with good daddies

Perhaps more like those that have good relationships with their fathers? Ime the father can be a bad parent, but if the relationship is still functioning with that taken into account, it works.

[–]TheSKSpecial 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Funny you mention this, because I have a plate who was just like that.

Doesn't count as a loss of innocence, for the same reason guys who don't get laid are still considered virgins even if they jack it 5x a day. Sex isn't just about the penetration and orgasm, it's about the bonding and emotional validation that comes with it.

OP mentioned this fact already:

With every new partner, a woman becomes more experienced. With every breakup, she becomes more toughened against heartbreak, and less liable to emotionally invest. Each new penis removes some of the quality and air of innocence that men desire, and the less emotionally attached she is to the owner of that penis, the more innocence is removed.

[–]HeelsDownEyesUp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Makes sense, wasn't sure as the post didn't specifically state women who go solo.

Good post overall, and that part about the girl being overwhelmed-- bingo! Women generally encourage getting rid of that feeling with experience as a good thing. The emotions are just a hindrance. Heck, it's looked down on among women to have that excitement when bonding. I went a long time with the idea that having no relationship or partner history was a bad thing due to what other women were telling me. "Blushing? Nervous? No, no! You need to be calm, in control! Guys love a strong, independent woman!"

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

No,loss of innocence is ability to pair bond.The higher no of exes you have the more desensitized you become to romance coercion.

Why was there even one ex to begin with? Why didn't he commit to his unicorn?

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[–]domainkiller 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Any of you raising a teenage daughter? I'd be curious which strategies you'd employ to deliver her to adulthood.

[–]MiguelForte 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This. I'm interested too. Only in my case, it's my sister; my dad doesn't know how to raise her like he should.

[–]domainkiller 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If an answer can't be provided, then we might have a bigger issue at hand. Come on gents!

[–]ILoveSunflowers -1 points0 points  (0 children)

then hit up /r/RedPillParenting

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What is this?

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[–]mikesteane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Excellent post.

Which contains no summary at the beginning.

And would be boring if it did.

[–]capt_behindsight 2 points3 points  (1 child)

A few concerns: Say you are a male in your 20's meet a beautiful virgin, end up deflowering within a few months. She is loyal and respects you as the patriarch. It now seems like you have a dilemma; you could move on to another high SMV girl, or invest in the n=0 stock you currently have. By leaving the girl, you are in essence "slutifying" her and contributing to the problem. I don't think you should treat loyal virgins like sluts. So what do you do?

[–]Limekill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If your getting your needs meet - stay. You can always go see a pro if you get bored.

Also if you an issue with it - don't fuck virgins... I remeber some guys going overseas to 3rd world country - they were redpillers and had very high SMV. But the guy refused to screw any virgins. I thinks thats a good philosophy have if you are just playing the field.

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In the first set, the female is 17/18. the boy looks 7.

in the second set, the female looks 50, whilst the man looks like hes in his 30s

[–]B_Campbell 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"seasoned penis handler" That's fucking gold.

[–]spliffdecisions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get you in schools to do presentations

[–]-Quotidian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a simple truth, but it you've expressed it clearly and succinctly. Simple truths like these can elude us often, so I thank you for the reminder and insight.

[–]Kid_Crimson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But what's important to understand is that this is a one-way street. The innocent can become tough. The tough cannot become innocent.

Solid. This is the core of the issue. Despite all the feminists screaming and ranting to the contrary, the loss of innocence is what is most damaging in the long run. Damaging not just to a woman's desirability to men, but to her own sense of self-worth and happiness.

[–]jerstv 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So are tough women actually attracted to innocent men? I say this in reference to the whole cougar movement thing I grew up on. Is that actually a thing? I say that because i've never went through that type of an experience. I can remember back in high school of rumours of teachers sleeping with students. Thinking back on it now, we all thought we knew about sex but none of us really did. So did those teachers like how inexperienced we were? I fine it interesting that this theory balances itself out somehow

[–]TheSKSpecial 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They're attracted to innocent men for two reasons: to relive the years when they were most physically desireable, and because these men don't recognize the wear and tear on them. If you notice, the teachers who get caught sleeping with students aren't sleeping with the nerds, they're sleeping with the bad boys and jocks (sound familiar?)

They get to fuck the "alphas" of the school without the drawbacks of being seen as used-up or worn out by them. A highschool dude isn't thinking about mileage, he's just happy to get some pussy.

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[–]TheDialecticParadox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My first girlfriend that I lost my virginity with openly told me that she had sex with 10 guys through tinder in the year before she met me (I look back and she was like a 5 at best). She would boast about how great her blowjobs were and how 'tight' her pussy was, even after all that sex. It was such a massive turn off and I could never explain it. Now I know why. Thanks for sharing.

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[–]LionLaw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly why I prefer younger women so much; the younger they are, the more innocence is retained. I'm not particularly crazy about sex, it really isn't anything special after you have enough of it, but there is always something special about a young beautiful girl with bright eyes and an air of innocence and youthfulness.
Sadly, today's women wouldn't even know what the fuck Im talking about because they can't remember the last time they had any sparkle of innocence in their eyes. Society's fucked yo

[–]beerleader -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I would cum on the girl in the second set.

[–]through_a_ways -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I've posted about this before.

Virgin males are objectively more fit (for their relative gender, since simply being female will make you more fit in an absolute sense) than sluts, because you can always sleep with more people, but you can't unsleep with the ones you've already slept with.

[–]5t3fan0 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

this makes so much sense, and as usual real harsh truth is despised and hated by "society" (the masses)

[–]tipofmywang -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Craig Ferguson touched on this briefly years ago, and was along the same line that OP is.