MetaFinal Warning: Keep Your Damn Morals To Yourself (self.TheRedPill)

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Due to observations by /u/Aerobus and a few others, this post from over the summer is being re-stickied as a reminder to keep your damn morals to yourself.


The Red Pill is nothing more than a working set of keys to a shiny new car. How and where one man chooses to drive it is his business, not your business. If he decides to take it off-roading and gets stuck in the mud (i.e., fuck women in relationships), rather than keeping it to the safer highways and backroads (not fucking women in relationships), that's his decision to make and his alone. Therefore, the consequences are his and his alone. We don't need you, Captain Moral-Bro, coming along with your white super-knight cape, and your wagging finger of shame and judgment, and starting moral-bicker-fights in the hallowed halls of TRP.

I will treat this the same way the cops do when they break up a mob fight; toss everybody in jail, sort it out later. Or in this context, ban everyone involved, assess the length of sentence later.

Keep the bro-shaming to yourselves. It has no place here; never has, never will. If you wanna go be PC Principal, go do it somewhere else. AskMen, AskWomen, and 2XC are always auditioning for new Guardian Saviors of the Gynocratic Order of Be-Slutted Wives.

Shaming is the tool of feminists, SJWs, and Blue Pillers.

I know we have a whole slew of new members. 117,000 subs, compared to the 8,000 when I first came around. Remarkable. This place has grown beyond any of our wildest dreams. However, as with any forum, club, organization, or fraternity, more voices means more deviation and more static. The mod team, led by /u/redpillschool, continues to walk a fine line between keeping the message on track, whilst also trying not to be too "censor happy". When we remove too much, we are told we are "censoring". When we allow borderline posts to stand, we are told we aren't doing our jobs.

I say that to say this: there is one subject, that periodically rears it's ugly head, that we invariably end up dealing with, and that subject is morality.

If you want an in depth explanation of morality vs. Machiavellianism, please check out our very own /u/IllimitableMan's blog on the subject.


But the reason for this post is as follows:


This thread:


has invariably given rise to this thread:


And a whole bunch of moral lecturing.

I understand that, among a large swath of you, fucking married women is outside your wheelhouse. I get it. God is going to send you to hell, you have inhibitions about being a home wrecker, inhibitions about your personal fee fees, etc. Whatever. Shame language about "low hanging fruit", etc, "what bro, you can't get single chicks so you fuck married women, etc etc..." It's been said time and time again.

Some see no problem with fucking married women. Others see it as worse than God flooding the Earth in the Old Testament. I'm here to tell you that your moral judgements have no place here. If a man posts about fucking a married woman, that's his own prerogative, not yours. This sub is about discussion of sexual strategy in culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

These "morality" bicker fights never go anywhere, they devolve into bullshit that we have to sort out, and quite frankly, we're sick of it.

How one man chooses to use TRP knowledge is up to him. Not you. So, I'm going to link my post from back in December 2014:


And as a final reminder, keep your damn morals to yourself. Any shaming language from one man to another is going to trigger my ban-hammer. This is fair warning.

Shaming is the tool of feminists and blue pillers. It has no place here.

Happy Sunday.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 220 points221 points  (36 children)

Gotta agree with the mods on this one.

It's one thing to say I don't agree with this, and here's why, it's an entirely different thing to say What you are doing is wrong, and you are an evil person. The first is rational discourse ... the second is shaming language.

If you don't understand the difference you shouldn't be on this board.

[–]my_redpill_account 42 points43 points  (17 children)

Getting your jimmies rustled by the way someone else (that you don't know, or will ever meet in real life) lives their life, is a classic case of losing frame.

People are different, even if you don't agree with their choices, you can still learn from them.

i agree with you, and the mods wholeheartedly. Observe don't react.

[–]meet_me_at_high_noon 28 points29 points  (15 children)

I don't generally comment on threads where people talk about having sex with someone else's wife. I don't think it's right though and here's why:

There's a lot of discussion on this board about how modern society is destroying the family and humanity's best qualities in general. This I agree with.

So when you on one hand say "well modern society is all fucked up and we are paying the price" and then turn around and have sex with someone elses wife, you are in fact part of the problem. You factor in that this couple may have kids, and that you are participating in an event that may ruin those kids lives, I don't think it's wrong to say that you may be a hypocrite. Now, do I say that usually? No. Why? Because it's not going to change someone's mind usually. Are you evil for doing this? No.

But for me, it seems like if you know part of what is ailing the world, and you are participating in it, you are partly responsible. Everything is connected. Sometimes, people forget that.

[–]changshuaidiao 6 points7 points  (1 child)

[–]2rp_valiant 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yep. The actual underlying problem is that so many wives are placing themselves in the realm of "the commons", i.e. accessible to outside men.

[–]overreactor 12 points12 points [recovered]

Here's where I disagree with you: you're not a part of the problem. The problem is already there, full fledged, and no amount of you participating with make the problem better or worse. It's the woman's responsability to not cheat on her husband, not yours. If you decide not to fuck her, someone else will, and what have you gained from that? Nothing. A clean conscience, you would say. But a clean conscience about what? About not having 'destroyed that kids lives'? Again: if you don't fuck her, someone else will, the problem is and always will be there.

All said, I understand where you are coming from, I just think you're passing perfectly good sex trying to protect 'society' or 'some dudes family' and that its not your role, because you wont be able to do it, even if you could.

[–]meet_me_at_high_noon 15 points16 points  (2 children)

That makes sense. There was a comment further down about how the red pill is about being good at being a man, not being a good man. I think that's the most fair minded comment I've seen. Because at least you aren't saying "im a good man, I just have sex with other peoples wives." Youre acknowledging "IDGAF" and moving on. Fine. Just don't piss on me and tell me it's rain haha.

Again, I want to emphasize (because I don't want to be banned here) that I don't generally comment on those threads. I think it's wrong, but I don't like telling others how to live their lives. There's a fine line between having a healthy discussion about the merits of having sex with a married woman and shaming. For me, I come here for the self improvement. I don't really invest in threads about sex and chasing tail (I found the pill after getting into a LTR and having a kid, some of this stuff doesn't do me much good now) but I love the threads about self improvement. If you don't like what you read in a thread, just avoid it. That's what a free society does. Don't like the weather in Arizona move north.

[–]Modredpillschool 12 points13 points  (0 children)

because I don't want to be banned here)

Discussion on this level in this context is fine here. We're only looking to get rid of the morality shaming.

[–]mryddlin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just think you're passing perfectly good sex trying to protect 'society' or 'some dudes family' and that its not your role, because you wont be able to do it, even if you could.

I don't bother, not because of any moral reason, just because I find them a pain in the ass to deal with.

As you state someone else will, if it works for me I'll engage but general I just find cheaters to be a PITA to deal with.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To you it seems hypocritical, but it's actually not. Here's an analogy. You know how every once in a while there's a rich guy who says people in his own income bracket should be taxed more, and some smartass replies that he should just write the government a bigger check? It's like that. One dude (or even 1,000) writing a bigger check won't make a noticeable difference, and furthermore would unfairly handicap him versus everyone else.

All he's saying is that either everyone should pay more or nobody should pay more, not some unfair situation where only a few are paying more. Volunteering to pay more would result in that latter, least desirable situation.

[–]my_redpill_account 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying there's no point in getting upset with what some other dude is doing. Regardless of how you personally feel about it.

If someone wants to bang other dudes wives they can, I don't think they should but it's not my place to tell them anything.

Me? I won't do it, I'm not going to continue to encourage the bad behavior of women. It won't stop her from riding someone else's dick, but I know I did what I felt was right. If other dudes do it? That's on them. I don't agree, but I won't tell them they can/can't/shouldn't.

While you may agree/disagree, you can also still learn from what they have to say.

[–]MagneticJohnson 9 points10 points  (7 children)

dumb people will often use the "what you are doing is wrong, and you are an evil person" type of argument and claim it is free speech. "shaming language" is literally the opposite of free speech. it's used to stifle free speech. it has no argument. it's used when a person can't use logic to back up his opinion, so he has to resort to emotion.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

All speech is free speech. We're free to say insulting things, and we're even free to talk about limiting free speech.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think what you are doing is wrong and evil, and here is why.

Does that still work? I would think so. I liked your explanation.

[–]Jigsus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

At the same time I want to encourage rational discourse. We are here to debate this sort of thing to better ourselves.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (7 children)

shaming language

while i agree stfu about the morals, lets not get all 'tumblr crybaby' here

[–]Meto1183 43 points44 points  (6 children)

The point wasn't that he's hurt by the shaming, he's saying its a worthless tool with the sole purpose of making people feel worse (I.e. has no place in rational dicussions). It's a tumblr crybaby tool...he's not the tumblr crybaby

[–]RPSigmaStigma 203 points204 points  (38 children)

People just don't understand the difference between "amoral" and "immoral". Amorality is the practice of objectively and dispassionately analyzing facts. Immorality is behaving in ways that run counter to ones own, or society's, ethical standards. TRP is amoral in the same way that science is amoral.

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (0 children)


Knowledge of SMP dynamics is about as moral as knowing how to tie your shoes: it has FUCK-ALL to do with morality. Its just knowledge. Knowledge is amoral.

Its how you choose to apply your knowledge that determines whether or not you are behaving in a manner consistent with your own personal ideas of right and wrong.

TL;DR: TRP knowledge is amoral. Applying TRP knowledge can be either moral OR immoral OR amoral, depending on your personal definition of morality.

I like talking about the abstract idea of morality as a concept, and I think there is value in doing so. However, there's no real point discussing our own personal definitions of morality or attempting to impose them on others... Because that is retarded and unproductive. (Like OP is pointing out).

If we open up a free-for-all discussion of our personal moral codes, we've gotten so far away from the original point of our sub (discussing sexual strategy) that we'd need a different sub.

That conversation (the morality free-for-all) is so subjective, free-ranging, and all encompassing that it will go on forever, resolving nothing.... Like it has for the last 3000 years.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Guns are amoral. In some sense this is like a gun subreddit where some people talk about willful acts of murder (blatant hyperbole).

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 98 points99 points  (47 children)

If dudes want to fuck married women then they should go ahead.

I just caution fucking married women because it could lead to a man catching a beating or worse. Blue pill men can and will engage in extreme mate guarding behavior which may include force feeding your body some lead pills instead of red pills. You may think you're doing a man a favor by boning his wife to show him what a slut she is and how beta doesn't work but until the husband is ready to swallow the red pill it wont help worth a damn if his wife is fucking railed by 100 Chad's in a single night.

[–]1aguy01 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I like the way some guy worded it in a post a few weeks ago. "Your friend isn't red pill, he's dead pill." Still makes me laugh.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (32 children)

That's my point. Let each man assess the costs of his own decisions, rather than devolving into shaming like feminists.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 60 points61 points  (31 children)

devolving into shaming like feminists.

I get a sense that some pro-feminists are already in our midsts, probing for weaknesses. Morality is an angle they're trying to leverage.

[–][deleted] 111 points112 points  (8 children)

I get the same feeling. I'm going to root them out, one way or another. I will not let the best sub on Reddit be co-opted by feminists in sheep's clothing. This place has had too much positive impact on my own life for me to let that happen.

[–]TheDon835 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I don't post or comment very much, but I read a lot. Thanks for your best efforts to keep the steady flow of good, solid info.

[–]1FrogTrainer 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I feel like it should be "feminist in wolf's clothing" lol.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Cougars in sheep's clothing

[–]-The-Prestige- 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree with /u/TheDon835, I want to say thank you to all of the mods personally for keeping this sub going. Don't care what anyone else says, you guys are doing a great job.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Purge the unclean, pacify the infidel, Blessed is the mind too small for doubt. ;)

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Trying to use shaming arguments is all people who disagree with us have, because our philosophy is essentially, "We want to be the best Girl Science engineers around". If someone flipped a magic switch and suddenly "blue pill" behavior worked perfectly, we'd be discussing the best way to display provider behaviors and how many clingy texts per hour to send.

[–]mryddlin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

OK it's not just me either then.

Sub felt weird this last week but I haven't been around that long.

[–]1whatsazipper 12 points13 points  (1 child)

In reality, the men who fuck married women typically get away with it. Maybe it's where I live but personal safety is hardly an issue unless you're dumb enough to fuck at their place.

It's more beta-toughguy revenge talk than anything else. It sounds nice, but most men simply fall apart, not dish out violence.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My inbox flooded with hate mail from betafags since I posted the original. Its hilarious

[–]Bloody_Anal_Leakage 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Honest question, how is a married alpha supposed to respond in that situation?

I know, stoicism, AWALT, oneitis, but primal instinct is a force to be reckoned with.

Snap a picture for the divorce lawyer?

[–]2IVIaskerade 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you catch them in the act, absolutely take pictures.

Afterwards or otherwise, as little contact as possible, start rebuilding elsewhere. Lawyer up and bunker down.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Excellent point, a good number of murders occur due to infidelity. Fucking married women can be high risk.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 70 points71 points  (17 children)

All western sociology classes are infested with Critical Theory. The 22 year olds of TRP are being trained to talk about their feelz and identify problematic aspects. If they do this then their overweight SJW Teacher Assistant will give them participation points.

Then they go on TRP and read GayLubeOils literary masterpiece :Getting a Woman to Cheat is Like Getting a Duck to Eat Bread. They flip balls and then begin writing 200 word thought response as if they were still in class.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 6 points7 points  (1 child)

There's a line drawn between "could" and "should" but when it comes to these I'll keep my mouth shut.

I'm old school on being hands off with another man's wife.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 5 points6 points  (0 children)

that's a funny username there...

[–]mryddlin 4 points5 points  (14 children)

First sign of a SJW is the 16 page post for a one line point.

It's like they get marks for being extraordinarily long winded.

This is all going to blow up a few years from now. The financial crisis happening in this EU is not going to stay there. The dose of reality that is coming with hard times is going, hopefully, be a massive wake up call.

Not holding my breath, I'd recommend people learn about bitcoin before the puck drops

[–]AntixD 4 points5 points  (13 children)

why the mention of bitcoin,care to explain further,please?

[–]Endorsed ContributoriBrokeRSA 60 points61 points  (7 children)

Good stuff. It's one thing to say "fucking married women is usually a bad idea because the husband might snap and get the idea to stab your shit up" or "bad idea to fuck your friends girl if he adds more value to your life than 20 minutes of pussy."

It's another to say "you are causing the downfall of western civilization by fucking married women you lowlife coward blah blah blah degeneracy blah blah blah"

If you've read The Way of Men, you'll note that Jack Donovan makes a key distinction between Being a Good Man -- traditional honour and moral virtue and Being good at being a man -- alpha characteristics that show strength, tenacity and ability regardless of moral inclination.

TRP isn't about being a good man. It's about being good at being a man. That's why people say TRP is amoral.

[–]HellbillyDeluxe 8 points9 points  (3 children)

In my opinion that distinction is bullshit. When you say there is a distinction between being a good man, and being good at being a man what comes to mind is a football player that is very individually skilled but is a shitty teammate. He can smash people and make spectacular plays, but he shows up late, causes drama with teammates, gets bad publicity, hurts the teams performance because he can't be a role player when needed, etc. Would you consider that person a GOOD player? I would not, despite their skilled technique. Would you want them on your team? I certainly don't, I want folks who are complete players in my camp. I suppose many people would say they think those types of bad teammates are good GOOD players when only their technique is looked at. But what about the total picture? Who is the better player Pacman Jones or Peyton Manning? I know who I would rather play with, and who I respect more. You can fake it and you might get pretty far like ol Pacman Jones, but to me you're not really good at being a man because you're not a good man at all in the total scheme of that paradigm. You're half the picture, a castle built on sand. To me you can't be good at being a man without being a good man, because only good men are truly good at being men.

Edit: In my opinion it's easy to do whatever it takes to get ahead, fuck over whoever you need to, take more than you give, etc. It's a hell of alot harder to rise above the selfish base instincts we all have and stand for something more. If you wanna fuck married women, screw over people at work, and be a dick to everyone you meet to "get yours" in life hey more power to you that's your choice, but I would not want to associate with you and certainly would not think you were good at being a man. In the end it's all opinions and different outlooks but I don't think it is a good idea like this post suggest to say only certain opinions and outlooks are worth discussion. The first OP had a right to fuck that woman, but the second OP also had a right to point out why he would not have.

[–]freebytes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As long as the discussion adds value and is rational. One issue is that people will say, "This is wrong because... I say so."

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 55 points56 points  (10 children)

Simplest way to put this:

If someone thinks what you're advocating means they couldn't trust you if they knew you, then it's immoral to them.

If you are loyal to nobody, will betray when you need to, feel no empathy and you know of a guy who is just like you, you will think he is badass but you won't trust him. DTs don't trust DTs because they know themselves. To most people this lack of trust constitutes "immorality."

If someone can't trust you, you automatically become immoral to them (even if you help the environment.)

If you sound like you enjoy others pain, others rightfully assume you would enjoy their pain too, so they distrust you and then again, you're deemed immoral by that person.

Fuck ethics for a second, just go along with this basic premise: if you betray them, they think you're immoral. That's it. No elaborate codes or commandments, simply a "can they trust you?" question. No? What's that? You like fucking people's wives and they happen to be married or want to get married one day? Right, then they think you're immoral.

There's a reason these discussions are had ON THE INTERNET where you feel anonymous. Because in real life this shit would ruin your reputation. Why? Because people wouldn't trust you and that means they'd think you're immoral. Reputation is everything. And reputation is built on EXPERTISE and TRUST. If someone can't trust you, you're immoral to them. You could be the most cunning guy alive, if someone trusted you, they'd think your moral.

Sadism is deemed immoral by the vast majority. That's why when someone posts a thread saying "I fucked his wife and his sister and his mother and I laughed as he watched crying" you're wise to delete that just as much as you should delete the idiot questioning the morality of strategy (strategy is amoral - pointless to discuss it.) But when people tell stories, they don't hear strategy discussion, they hear something they relate to and they will inject their morals into that.

People can't and won't not inject their morals into stories. Even a psychopath does this, he'll think "why did he not just fuck the wife when she came over and flirted?" And then call the guy who doesn't fuck a married woman a faggot for not doing it. Most people judge you for being too sadistic, a psychopath judges you for being too altruistic (why do you care how this affects other people? It's good for you.)

If you don't delete the threads with guys talking about adultery, you will always get bro knighting. ALWAYS. Why? Because lots of people have empathy and they don't want to hear about how people who have little to no empathy will do whatever it takes to get what they want and don't give a shit about the consequences or collateral.

That will always wind people up. And if you start banning the empathic majority so the psychopathic minority can discuss optimal strategies, you're going to lose A LOT of people in the sub. I'm starting up a dark triad sub soon to discuss such things, but it's going to be private PRECISELY BECAUSE I know that kind of discussion isn't meant to be had out in the open, but with people who can cast morals to the side and speak PURELY ABOUT THE STRATEGY FOR THE SAKE OF REFINING IT. Regardless of my morals, I can do that. But this is not something most people can do, because their personality (usually religious morality) infects all their judgements.

IMO, ban the threads that sound overly sadistic and ban the threads that sound overly whiny and are all "should we really do this to people though?" and then you won't get any drama.

But when you let altruism or sadism shape any message, you're always going to have sadists call altruists ineffectual pussies, and altruists call sadists evil, demonic, or whatever. And that's a fucking shit show. That's what a lack of shared values does.

[–]trphardmode 3 points4 points  (2 children)

DTs don't trust DTs because they know themselves.

I find that DTs will trust other rational DTs (and intelligent machiavellian stoics) with aligned interests about as much as they can trust anyone who isn't under their direct emotional influence. Unstable/irrational/incompetent DTs are among the least trustworthy people in existence though

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great nuanced perspective

I find that DTs will trust other rational DTs (and intelligent machiavellian stoics) with aligned interests

But only if they believe interests are aligned, and only in relation to the shared goal, otherwise, distrust.

about as much as they can trust anyone who isn't under their direct emotional influence.

That's not very much. But I agree.

Unstable/irrational/incompetent DTs are among the least trustworthy people in existence though

Don't have to tell me twice. Haha.

[–]1james-watson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

DTs trust no one, and for good reason. They know trust doesn't exist.

Incentives exist. Incentivize the behavior you want, but never expect it to happen all the time or when you need it most.

Now, the illusion of trust, just like the illusion of free will, the illusion of democracy, the illusion of morality, and the illusion of happily ever after, exist. These illusions are vital for bending society to the will of a few very cunning DTs. But only a fool believes these illusions.

The majority of people are fools.

[–]Echelon64 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Any shaming language from one man to another is going to trigger my ban-hammer

10/10, I feel triggered by your puns.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSarcasticus 29 points30 points  (20 children)

Morals are an individuals interpretation of the world filtered through his values. Not everyone has the same values and therefore not everyone has the same morals.

While its fine for me to express my opinion on why, for example, I think sleeping with married women is wrong. It is not my place to tell someone else they are wrong if they choose to do so.

I think new readers need to grasp the idea that it's up to each man to decide how he wants to live his life. There is no one path to happiness and success that will work for everyone. Feel free to give advice on what works for you.

But don't presume to think you know enough to tell someone else how to live their life.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (12 children)

Some people think taking steroids to fast-track their muscle building is wrong. Tell that to /u/GayLubeOil.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 45 points46 points  (11 children)

Jesus christ dude. Thats another fucking beehive.

Hey guys I have a question. How do I look like this guy who is on 250 Test Prop, 400 Mast, 300 Tren Acetate and 50 miligrams of winstrol a day without taking steroids. I want to be natural. Also how much sugary whey protein powder should I drink?

Thats basically every fitness question ever.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (7 children)

You just made my point. And shaming men for doing so isn't going to stop them.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 48 points49 points  (6 children)

Hey guys how do I fuck as many women as the dude who cock blasts wives and girlfriends without cockblasting wives and girlfriends?

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Haeee Guize, how I get grlfrind to respect me without standing up to her? Don't want conflict. Thx!

[–]interestedplayer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Heeeeyyyy man, thats not fairrr or moral, you are hurting their feeelzz!!! If you were a real RP man, you would not need to hurt their feelz1!!

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Twoo AlfaTM leaders protect and serve society, and never hurt wimmenz feelz!

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

That's pretty much the sub lately. That's what we're trying to clean up.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let's not exaggerate we're not SRS.

[–]my_redpill_account 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As much as I enjoy helping others learn, why don't we do more to guide new users to the sidebar, and for questions to use askTRP? maybe with the theme or something.

[–]AntixD 0 points1 point  (1 child)

suggestion:Do an elaborate post on fitness and steroids

[–]reddishman 32 points33 points  (6 children)

I am going to fuck your girlfriend

I am going to fuck your girlfriend because I don't know you nor do I owe you any loyalty.

I am going to fuck your girlfriend because you let yourself go and she can't get her tingles from you anymore.

I am going to fuck your girlfriend because she's here drinking with me alone.

I am going to fuck your girlfriend because she's an adult and she can make her own decisions.

I am going to fuck your girlfriend because she values the feeling of my penis in her vagina over whatever it is she gets from associating with you.

I am going to fuck your girlfriend because you didn't next her like you should have.

Did I miss anything?

(This is verbatim from an old post on TRP from my notes. After reading this post I dropped all my morals on the topic. Life is better now)

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 24 points25 points  (3 children)

I'm going to fuck your girl because she found out I was single and started sending me messages telling me all about how you two were separated and she sleeps in the other room. And then reminding me about all those loads I busted in her mouth all those years ago.

I'm going to fuck your girl because she found out I was single and told me, straight up, "I can help with your libido after I get off of work." Ok I didn't fuck her because she's fat.

I'm going to fuck your girl because I didn't even know you existed until you called the whore while she was naked in my bed at 3am.

I'm going to fuck your girl because I didn't even know you existed, nor your three children, until she sent me a copy of the book she wrote and she talks about her "wonderful husband and three children" in the jacket.

Really who blames the other man? My ex-wife thought I was going to somehow blame the other men, multiple men, she was fucking. As if there is some lack of men who will fuck a hot slut whose DTF. She honestly thought I was going to go track them down and fuck them up. I didn't understand back then but I didn't realize how fucking pathetic the white knight manginas are. I do understand, now, and much more importantly I understand why she thought I was one of them.

Neither of us are confused about that anymore.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Im with you guy-- Women are not loyal to me so why the fuck should I be loyal to them. And what do I "owe" to a bro? The "bros" never spared me when they fucked "my" women....

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[–]Iupvoteforknowledge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Man, the whole not knowing the guy exists until he calls. And then she talks all cutesy to him saying she is just staying the night with Alice, telling him I love you, miss you after she slobbed on my knob. Happens all too often and reminds me to never trust women.

[–]redpilled-by-design 36 points37 points  (21 children)

This sort of shit doesn't (and rightfully so) fly in r/theredpill, we are about lifting each other up, and being the best version of ourselves. I would go so far as to argue that people who use shame tactics are in fact still VERY BP. After all, attacking another man because of his sexual choices? Sounds like a white knight to me...

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (6 children)

Exactly. TRP is about maximizing male sexual strategy, recognizing the decline, and enjoying it. We are not trying to change the world.

[–]The-Pussy-Whisperer 7 points7 points [recovered]

And now in come the feminists crying redpill support of adultery.

I'm ok with that. (Both them coming in and our (implied) support)

[–]pissoutofmyass 5 points5 points [recovered]

Which is hilarious because feminists defend a woman's "right" to screw whoever she wants whenever she wants regardless of her relationship status because "men don't own women."

They're so full of shit.

[–]my_redpill_account 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is losing frame, and they don't even realize it.

[–]malkovic 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Honest question here:

By extrapolation, will users who mock others for being religious/have morals also be banned?

[–]ModRedSovereign 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Depends on the nature of the discussion. If it produces non-constructive or flame-bait commentary we'll likely remove it. Follows our general principle of maintaining a high signal-to-noise ratio in here.

[–]malkovic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ahh got it. just thought I'd make sure the rule goes both ways.

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[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (26 children)

Aren't you worried that our refusal to discuss morality is actually indicative of a gaping flaw in our consideration of these issues and we all essentially have our heads buried in the sand, refusing to acknowledge that maybe our claims that this is all amoral is just us trying to avoid having to deal with the moral implications of our behavior, which might requires us to admit some fault, which would result in fewer books sold and blog hits for the people with tags next to their names?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 13 points14 points  (10 children)

What you need to understand is being an Alpha is inherently immoral. An Alpha is first and foremost a parasite he fucks other men's women and lives off of the labor of betas. If you want to live like a king you have to take a disproportionatly larger amount then you give or create.

If you want to fuck tons of women some if them are going to have to be the women of other men. If you want to live a very high standard of living you have to get there on tge backs of other men. If you want to be the best you have to be willing to do anything in your power to get there.

So to answer your question yes me mouthfucking a married woman in the handicap stall of my laws school bathroom was imoral. Its immoral because the disabled need that bathroom for poops and its not there for Russian mouth invasions. I get it.

But you moral fagging on Reddit is not going to stop me. The only thing you are doing is discouraging valuable discussion. There are men like me in this world and you are well served knowing this fact. I will take everything I want from this world. Know this and prepare for it.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Something that so many of these newbies will never, ever understand is that the truly hot girls are rarely, if ever, actually "single". All of the hot ones are usually in some stage of a relationship with one penis owner or another. They call it "branch swinging" and not "branch jumping" for a reason.

Most girls who can get dick on the regular are not going to officially leave an old dick until they've got their hands and mouth firmly wrapped around another dick. So to be the new dick, sometimes usually you are going to have to black knight the current "bro".

In short, and to cite a very old cliché, these shame-happy mother fuckers need to stop hating the player and start hating, or playing, the Game.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If you want to live a very high standard of living you have to get there on tge backs of other men

Funny how every time I read something by someone I respect I find that they share very similar views at their core.

I agree, you're literally stepping on people's heads to get ahead.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

notice the upset betafags

[–]TheHeroReditDeserves 3 points3 points [recovered]

GayLube your a cartoon character

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Post pics of yourself and lets find out what you are. Because im willing to bet money its pebdantic reddit faggot.

[–]TheHeroReditDeserves 2 points3 points  (0 children)

srry bugs not really interested but your super a cartoon character now whats next you want me to fight you IRL

[–]interestedplayer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I will present you with a different idea and go ahead and downvote me like you downvoted GayLubeOil and RedPillWatchTower (by the way 100% justifying this entire post).

Have you endlessly smart and morally feeling JWs who so badly want to have the success of RP men but... without being so "bad", ever considered, that a "discussion on morality" leads to nothing?


We are bettering ourselves, one !measurable! step at a time. We want results grounded in REALITY. Lifting and gains are real. Pickup is real because it works. "Morality" of not having your way with married women doesnt work in any measurable way.

Or tell me, what do you want to discuss? And when you say discuss please actually discuss, instead of implying that people who sacrifice hours and hours and hours of their time to make posts for YOU, help YOU get chicks and solve YOUR problems are just out to make some pittance on blog hits... its honestly insulting.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

After reading through the comments, I have to agree with one thing. A lot of people here like to police comments through the same shaming mechanism. What is the ultimate red pill morality? To not be blue pill. I can't tell you how many times I have read you are so fucking blue pill in comments around here.

The truth is, it is intellectually lazy. Instead of making a rational argument, they would rather just call someone BP, spout off something they read somewhere else, and then move along feeling morally superior (or they can call it more alpha) than the guy they were bad mouthing.

It all feeds the same ego. I am rewarded by the community for reinforcing the supposedly "good" behaviors. The only difference is the scale of community. I wish there would be policing for the same mechanism, because it does nothing to help people realize what they might have been doing wrong by just saying "you're blue pill, fuck off".

If the goal is to keep the discussion on the merits, then let's actually do that. I agree that dogma should have no place here, so let's sanction it in all forms.

[–]ShanksNes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Good that we're back on track. TRP has increasingly acquired a lifestyle/moral flair, and deviated to what this is primarily about - Sexual strategy and frame. This is a good step.

[–]Betterthanuatlife 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Morality is nothing but an invented concept.

[–]Doctor_Mayhem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I dare say... a social construct? HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

[–]MAWL_SC 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Morality aside, I just want to say thank you to the mods and our top contributors for maintaining frame and dedicating their time to make this sub great.

Without strong handed and benevolent men to hold the wheel, this sub would have crashed and burned long ago.


[–]hebola4lyfe 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I dont know why you guys havent noticed it yet.

This sub is getting flooded by fake users who disguise themselves as red pillers but are actual hardcore SJW, manginas, feminists, blue pillers and women .

The recent posts and threads shows this blatantly .

Everyone here is so proud to have achieved 117 k subscribers but most of these new comers are the aforementioned who are trying desperately to infiltrate among us.

[–]teeelo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sad sad people.

If we're so wrong, then why not let us self destruct on our own?

[–]pha111 9 points9 points [recovered]

There are just some retards out there who simply cannot comprehend the word "amoral". They can only think in terms a 3-year-old would understand: good, bad, nice, mean, payback. To them, "women are this way" is the same as "women women are bad because they are this way, should treat them badly as revenge". To them, the "is/ought" fallacy is their natural state. More to the point, "here is how to game women" is seen as an endorsement of the same. The dumber ones think that TRP should be responsible for policing the use of this new knowledge, and prevent the collapse by changing society or women somehow. They're too stupid to habe figured out that TRP is a small fraction of people who have figured out hypergamy. Us all volunteering to become tradcons and marry submissive women would do absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

[–]interestedplayer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

prevent the collapse by changing society or women somehow.

This is the best part. They obviously have not understood evopsych at all.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 8 points9 points  (20 children)

Fuck me, not that shit again. I do not give a fuck if the bitch is dating, taken, married, or anything other than willing.

Why? Simply because if the bitch is gonna cheat, it doesn't matter if it's me, you, or Chad that is knocking the bottom out of her, someone will be. She decides who she fucks we don't, so if you want to hold some moral high ground you're welcome to, and your bitch will gladly suck Chad dry while you remain ignorant. In this time , and sure as fuck in the USA, she can and will fuck anyone she wants to fuck, married or not, because she can and all she will hear is "You go girl" from her entire family and all her friends, meanwhile the state will reward her for it.

You're damn right I will fuck your wife if she wants to fuck me, and I won't think twice about it. Unless she is stupid, you'll never know, and she is probably fucking some other guy right now.

[–]Matharon 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Thank you so much. I've been sick of that morality shit. You mods do a pretty good job, and I appreciate the work you put in here.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I am impressed with the consistency of the mods. They must have a red crystall ball which issues commands.

[–]Dildo_Saggins 8 points9 points  (6 children)

I know we have a whole slew of new members. 117,000 subs, compared to the 8,000 when I first came around.

Kinda off topic, but we're getting close to the size fatpeoplehate was before it was banned. What happens when theredpill posts make it to the frontpage? Or are we exempt from it? I'd sure hope so.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (5 children)

/u/redpillschool has made it clear that www.puerarchy.com is the off-site recovery zone. He's been hard at work developing a contingency plan. I won't reveal more than that until it becomes prudent to do so.

[–]Dildo_Saggins 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Oh I know that. I'm just curious to see what the reaction of reddit in general will be once we're regularly hitting /all. I think it'd be funny.

[–]Modredpillschool 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I'm pretty sure we set up the sub not to show up in the /r/all listing.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)


What is this?

[–]NeoreactionSafe 7 points8 points  (2 children)

The Jerry Springer Show

Some watch it to observe Immoral behavior as someone who is just curious about how crazy things can get.

Others watch it to sharpen their skills to actually do something similiar.

It's Enjoy the Decline contrasted with Enjoy the Collapse.

The people who actually imitate the Immoral behaviors are enjoying the decline. Those who see an end to all this coming (the Misandry Bubble) sense that these behaviors hasten the end and it sort of liberates one in the present because it loses it's attractiveness. It wakes you up.

One really should laugh at how crazy this stuff gets. (and they are true field reports)



...Mozart could see the Chaos and make fun of it.

[–]kalstate 1 point2 points  (1 child)

TIL: Mozart was RedPill. Awesome!

[–]NeoreactionSafe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That was pointed out to me by someone I don't remember when I first got here when there were about 30k subscribers.

Just passing on the favor.

[–]disposable_pants 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Genuine question from someone who doesn't have a dog in this particular fight. How does this purpose statement:

This sub is about discussion of sexual strategy in culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

Square with the sub's stance on amorality? How can we create a positive identity for men without morals? Isn't morality a prerequisite for defining what "positive" is?

[–]un-affiliated 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Genuine question from someone who doesn't have a dog in this particular fight. How does this purpose statement:

This sub is about discussion of sexual strategy in culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

Square with the sub's stance on amorality? How can we create a positive identity for men without morals? Isn't morality a prerequisite for defining what "positive" is?

He's not saying this sub will create a positive identity. It won't. He's saying that lack of a positive identity has created a knowledge gap for men in how to to succeed at whatever they're trying to do. All we're told is what men do wrong, without being given any info on how to do things right, and effectively. How do you get laid? Don't be an asshole or a PUA or a redpiller. No mention of anything you can be, other than yourself... the same unsuccessful person that needed to ask for help in the first place.

You don't need morality in order to build a framework of what works and what women respond to. As a matter of fact, you need to ignore morality if you're going to be truthful. You need to know that doing more housework or counseling in a dead bedroom situation will get you either nothing or resentful obligation sex, but ignoring her, working out, and catching the eye of other women will get her genuinely turned on. Talking about morality enables the most sensitive to shut down any productive conversation.

No one is saying to not be moral or to not discuss your choices. They're saying not to try to shut down conversations simply because you believe your morality is more important than another man's knowledge.

In the end, you can substitute "affirmative identity" for positive one. We're building an archetype for what a sexually successful man looks like.

[–]disposable_pants 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. We should clarify that purpose statement, then, because "positive identity" has strong moral connotations and saying that society lacks that implies that we're in the business of creating one. Your "affirmative identity" idea is on the right track.

[–]1Ronin11A 1 point2 points  (4 children)


"Positive" in this sense refers simply to whether a thought or behavior leads towards the man in question achieving dominance in his life, or the sexual conquest of his choice. "Negative" in contrast refers to something that might detract or inhibit the aforementioned goals.

Morality has nothing to do with it. If the behavior moves him closer to being the most alpha version of himself (lifting weights, eating better, reading quality nonfiction, improving his frame and game with women), then it is positive. If it moves him away from being the dominant social animal in his kingdom (excessive porn, video games, poor eating, poor grooming), then it's negative.

If he then chooses to use that new TRP identity to prey on the Desperate Housewives of Yogapantsville, USA, well, that's his call, and he will endure the benefits or pay the price on his own.

[–]disposable_pants 2 points3 points  (3 children)

If the behavior moves him closer to being the most alpha version of himself (lifting weights, eating better, reading quality nonfiction, improving his frame and game with women), then it is positive.

That's a radical redefinition of what "positive" means, though -- there are regular discussions on here about how certain alpha archetypes are not necessarily desirable (a drug dealer is alpha, but not the kind a reasonable person would want to be). If all "positive" means is "whatever gets you closer to alpha," I could say "becoming a drug dealer is positive," and that doesn't make sense by any conventional definition of the word "positive."

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Personally, I think not wanting to pound a vag that is getting pierced by other dicks is a choice, not a moral.

Frankly, I am disgusted at the thought of any girl I am having sex with getting slammed by another man while she can have me. It is the least attractive thing a girl can do for me. It does not make me feel alpha to know that a girl desires someone else. If she thinks she can do better, I say go do your best. Being alpha, to me, is being the optimal choice, not one of many. Thus, banging married women is not an option.

I won't hook up with women who have children either. I refuse to participate in the propagation of another man's DNA. This is a personal standard, not some objective morality that I believe everyone else must live by. The difference is the level of judgement that I have regarding others. I don't find others who don't live up to my standards immoral. I just think their standards are inferior. But in truth, I think most men are inferior to me anyway, so that doesn't change much.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

And that is all personal, which is totally OK. As long as you don't project your own values onto other men and shame them, you are totally cool with those values. Hell, I completely agree with you about single mothers. I won't go near them with my best friend's dick. But I also won't shame another man if he chooses to game them for easy pussy.

[–]DollarWill 2 points2 points [recovered]

Couldn't it be argued that banning objection to "Pro-Cheating" or "Disloyal" field reports is the same as promoting that behavior?

For example, it's well-understood in social psychology that you can influence the actions of a group by exposing them to examples of behavior. "I destroyed that relationship" posts/FRs are examples of behavior, and thus embolden others to replicate said behavior. The issue only becomes imbalanced when those who would seek to display a moral imperative can't write FRs where they describe in immaculate detail how they "Totally didn't bang that chick that one night and instead told her almost-cucked bf how much of a slut she was" .

There are also economic arguments regarding this as well, and I invite a private discussion of those should you be open to the idea.

In a subreddit like TRP, the ability to write grandiose accounts of purportedly real-world events is what garners the most attention and imitation. When the discussion moves in the direction of encouraging vs discouraging discourse, as I believe you are laying judgement on, the inherent advantage lies with the course of action that is made the most difficult to oppose by banning rejection of it's core tenements.

There's a mirror scenario of this manner of thinking in the wider political landscape. It's very, very easy to tell people to not oppose the actions of others, because, after-all, "how would YOU like it if THEY opposed YOUR actions?". As we all know, this precedent of action can very easily lead to a breakdown of the power-structure of the system into which it is introduced. It's the driving force behind the "Progressive" movement and we're all party to it's effects.

Earlier, you mentioned that TRP isn't about "Changing the world", and that instead members are encouraged to recognize the slow degeneration of western society and attempt to enjoy it instead of working to reverse the process.

This sentiment may be the result of many believing that any sort of reversal is impossible. Perhaps you share that belief?

Shaming tactics are exactly that. Tactics. They are easy to employ, take no real intelligence to aim, and few know the correct response to them^(Ignoring them completely + providing evidence of exclusion) . For those reasons I completely understand where your judgement on banning them as an action comes from. I would, however, advise reform when it comes to banning sentiment.

This is because I believe that TRP CAN "change the world".

TRP has all the relevant properties of a powerful social force; It passively recruits members who seek to imitate results, It is based on rational thought and evidence-based examples^(making it hard to refute) , and it acts as a locus for organisation and planned action^(on an individual scale no less) .

While TRP's offensive "teeth" only come from it's passive-aggressive opposition to it's detractors, it's greatest strengths lie in it's adhesion to empirical evidence and the scientific method^(providing a rock-solid defense and promoting it's adoption as an effective, rational ideology) .

This, however, is getting into the greater realities of the current "Culture War", and TRP's comments-section is probably not the place to discuss those concepts in-depth.

TLDR; Banning dissuasive feedback of "Fukked yo' grl" posts encourages more "Muh dik" FRs, alters the culture of the subreddit, and encourages in-fighting within TRP.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But that's just it, you see? I've been here since this place had 8,000 subscribers. TRP is not trying to change the world. We aren't trying to fight a culture war. TRP's stance on the culture is that the culture is fucked, there is no turning back, and a man's best strategy in the 21st century is to adapt his behavior to maximize his benefit in our new bereft culture, i.e. "enjoy the decline". We are not, indeed, attempting to "reverse the process". That's the core difference between TRP and Mens Rights.

[–]mej71 7 points8 points  (0 children)

To quote something I don't remember

"A relationship with a woman who already has kids is like playing someone else's saved game"

[–]A419a 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Honest question here. What about morals concerning the age of consent. For example, the advice to go somewhere where the age of consent is low to look for girls who would be great for LTRs (and where there is a chance they really are virgins). Nothing illegal in the country we are talking about but definitely illegal in the US. I ask this because the young virgins are the closest thing to a unicorn you will find and if you wait to 16 or 18 like in the US you'll realize the CC ride has already started for many.

Think of how normal women and BPers respond to a man dating someone much younger. "Can't handle a woman your own age?!" they say. But to anyone who knows enough about reality will realize that women depreciate with age and that a man who can have someone younger is doing things right.

Maybe this can be the one spot where we can admit that younger is better without having to add an 18+ clause.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ask yourself this. What's more important to you, lifelong happiness or satisfying the opinions of strangers? Are you better off making someone who brings no value to your life happier?

Ignore SJW's and BP mentality people. Don't do anything that can get you locked up, but fuck the haters. Your happiness comes first in life.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

college frat guy here

nothing feels better when looking down at a chick giving you head and seeing that hand with a fat diamond rapped around your dick

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Appreciate you stickying the link to my newest article it will help the topic get seen more. Some good book recommendations at the end I urge you all to check out. Thanks!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's completely relevant to the topic at hand.

[–]RPMahoutsukai 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You should also consider shaming towards people who prefer LTR, contemplate marriage, or think that women worthy of commitment exist in the world. There's quite a bunch of people on TRP, endorsed even, who shame you, begin ad hominem attacks, and so on, only for the fact that you consider commiting to a woman being an option.

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[–]kalstate 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, hold them accountable already! What's wrong with society these days?

[–]asymptotic_salvation 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Any shaming language from one man to another is going to trigger my ban-hammer.

When you see such language would you say you're triggered?

[–]1wakethfkupneo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You might as well enforce the same rule in AskTRP. I unsubbed from there after too much morality and "positive thoughts". Not sure how is it today, but last time I've checked people couldn't grasp the idea that assholery IS valid strategy for getting laid and fast. It's losing it's edge and it's watered down a bit too much /rant

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Morality is subjective anyway. You can't impose something subjective onto someone as if it were an absolute truth; that is simply ridiculous.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 14 points15 points  (9 children)

This sub is about discussion of sexual strategy in culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

What does the positive part of that mean then?

Shaming is the tool of feminists and blue pillers. It has no place here.

Does the fact that some people use misplaced shame as a tool for manipulation to manipulate others mean that a man can never be ashamed when he is genuinely wrong and deserving of shame?

I don't know the answers. I tend to like seeing discussions on morality here, and even stupid posts, because the sledgehammer of RP knowledge that quickly follows is generally pretty good to read.

I don't trust in anyone and I don't know enough to say either way, but I hope this all works out as intended.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think the 'positive identity' is where the discussion of morals gets involved, whether something is right, or wrong. Sure, a groupe of people have no problem banging married chicks, while the number of married men that would like his wife banged buy some other dude is able to be rounded down to zero.

It's pretty shitty, but it all gets resolved like this-

'You should have been a top tier guy to stop her from cheating'

'There is always someone one step higher, or is able to run effective game- why can't they be loyal, why can't it be fair'

'Dem hoes ain't loyal, ALWALT, it's not your girl, it was your turn'

"This pill is really bitter, I'm not sure I can swallow it, I'm not sure I want to swallow it"

Shit, I don't want to swallow it. But I have too. The pill is basically in my brain, but I haven't been able to get it into my core. My brain knows all this stuff, but my being repulses it.

On the upside I just found out my future ex-wife has 20K in credit card debt and 32K in student loans. And she is going to take it all. WHOOO! My mind elates at what a good decision I've made getting divorced, while I only sometimes get super emotional when I'm home alone without my son for a week at a time.

[–]Modredpillschool 20 points21 points  (6 children)

positive = beneficial.

[–]eserai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is not that place to identify said men who are wrong and deserving of shame. this is a place to discuss sexual strategy and self improvement. beyond that, you can do whatever you want with your new hard earned muscles/power and your tight game.

[–]SleepNowMyThrowaway 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Yea I never did get their soapbox moralizing; these women are DTF and it's not like they're being raped - and if you refuse to fuck them, they'll find another cock.

It's not like they'll see the error of their ways, and join a convent or something.

[–]docbloodmoney 8 points9 points  (1 child)

People who are still stuck in gynocentric mindsets are unwilling to blame women for any transgression. In their minds, it's completely the fault of the lover -even though she is the one cheating on her spouse

[–]QQ_L2P 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The man who shames another about fucking married women is usually one who holds a deep seated fear about it happening to him.

If this is you, step up your fucking game and stop worrying about what other people do.

[–]alreadyredschool 11 points12 points  (2 children)

"B-But muh opinions, people NEED to hear them, I am important, look at MEEE."

I find shaming language amusing, especially if it hits me in a pm with nothing more than "faggot"

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I really, really hate the term "fee fees". And I also can't really explain why.

[–]1whatsazipper 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's feminine baby-talk.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It could be that, but it almost feels like it's more. It's almost intentionally condescending, like someone trying to troll you but very obviously. Instead of a subtle trolling insult, "fee fees" almost feels like a troll calling you a "fuckface asshole". It's just...lazy.

[–]sunwukong155 3 points4 points  (0 children)

One might think that men fucking married women might contribute to a society that lacks a positive view towards men. But that's just my opinion.

[–]lifeliberty[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only thing worse than someone "whining" about people's choices , is whining about the fact that it bothers other people. Can we man up and stop being so fucking sensitive ??? Say what you want ,I'll either read it, ignore it or vote on it. We don't need a policing nanny state to cry about he said I'm a bad person bs. Seriously men , this isn't fucking lifetime let people say whatever the fuck they want and go about your damn day.

[–]longerdistance 6 points7 points  (1 child)

And as a final reminder, keep your damn morals to yourself. Any shaming language from one man to another is going to trigger my ban-hammer. This is fair warning.

Ha! Keep up the good work guys! Everyone is entitled to their own morality, but this is a place to share knowledge and experiences. "Immoral" behavior will uncover truths that would otherwise have remained hidden, and as such it is valuable to share. Neither shaming men who have sex with taken women nor shaming those who don't has a place here.

[–]princessvaginaalpha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with the mod. Glad that you cleared it all up.

[–]JablesRadio 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just want to say thanks for putting this up. White knights are a cancer.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (15 children)

I don't think TRP should have an official viewpoint on morality, personally. That gets filed under personal philosophical beliefs, and it's a very complicated philosophical issue (although you may not always see it when you're surfing around reddit's atheist hug-bubble). I'm sure, for instance, that Dalrock would chime in on this differently than some of you. Also, while one of TRP's mantras is "don't ever get married" (and good advice no doubt), you can still apply TRP principles if you do happen to be married. Even Rollo Tomassi writes about plate theory that "The way to circumvent this dynamic is brutal honesty and a commitment to truthful, non-exclusivity with the plates you’re spinning" -- supporting the fact that being dishonest isn't necessarily a good thing. Regardless of whether or not there are hedonistic reasons for such, it's still fundamentally a moral stance, even if the philosophy behind it is superficial. The difference of course is how it's presented.

My point here is that TRP to me has always been a philosophy in and of itself, and tool for self improvement rather than a set of rules to follow. That inherently comes with a certain moral code. You've essentially set forth a rule here, but isn't a set of rules to follow a certain moral stance itself? This post itself violates the very rule it's supposedly imposing. More importantly though, this post seems to be addressing a symptom of the underlying issue rather than the disease itself: the "You being a bad person hurts my fee fees, and I'm going to let you know about it" is the problem here, not some philosophical viewpoint on morality. Although, from what I've seen here, those types of posts typically get downvoted to oblivion around here, so in a sense we're already self-moderating this issue. I guess I could be wrong, I'm not sure exactly which posts in question inspired this OP to begin with.

[–]RealGucciSosa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

TRP is against one's own morality. That's for you to decide and implement as fit. This forum, however, should be and is entirely amoral. Its about discussing strategy. If you don't like a certain persons behavior, then just ignore it. Follow the one that you do feel like. This sub isn't going out of it's way to stop people from being BP either, its your own pejorative. Live your own life as you see fit. Just don't break the rules here, that includes white-knighting or bro-knighting. I don't understand why some find it hard to understand. Maybe its too nuanced.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (13 children)

I don't think TRP should have an official viewpoint on morality

TRP to me has always been a philosophy...[t]hat inherently comes with a certain moral code

Pick one, idiot.

isn't a set of rules to follow a certain moral stance itself

No. A set of rules that aren't moral rules do not comprise a moral stance. The rules of soccer are not a moral code. The rules of a forum do not say "You are a morally bad person if you follow these", but "you will be banned if you do not follow these".

There is no moral judgment in this post. It is not saying "having morals and pushing them onto others is morally bad". It is saying "If you have morals, fine. This is not the place to debate morality. If you want to, go elsewhere.".

TRP is a tool, not a moral code. That you don't understand this basic difference is kind of sad.

[–]LionLaw 1 point2 points  (6 children)

There is no such thing as morality on The Red Pill.
All of us here are dogs with our own agenda, some of us more worthless than others. But that's the point of TRP in the first place; to become the top dog.
Being morally responsible won't get you very far, particularly when society is against us men as much as it is anyway.
Be your own boss and make what you do seem morally responsible like a real alpha would

[–]SW9876 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I absolutely hate the definition you have for the red pill, "Discussion of sexual strategy in culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men". TRP means so much more. It is a real disservice for this entire sub reddit to label it so poorly.

[–]QraQen 3 points4 points  (13 children)

Censoring oposing views now?

I guess this place is truly no better than the left you claim to despise and I guess this really is no more than a PUA sub now.

"I can do whatever I want and nobody is allowed to criticize me".

-The mantra of feminism and now the mantra of TRP as well.

[–]kalstate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not censoring opposing views. Try to understand this: all kinds of people are on this sub--those who date one woman, those who date several women, those who have 100s of 1 night stands, married men, cheaters, the list goes on and on. The problem that OP is addressing is that the signal to noise ratio is at a critical threshold and therefore, to keep the message on point, Moral Justice Warriors MJWs have to find another place to vent.

Take another example, I can't submit a post about Bioinformatics in this sub, because it's not the right place. If you call that censorship, then that's your prerogative, but it's a downright stupid position to take.

[–]ECoast_Man 4 points5 points  (8 children)

You just don't get it do you? This isn't censoring opposing views it's cutting irrelevant views that add nothing and are highly likely to be SJWs masquerading where they're not allowed like an underage girl at a bar.

Someone's personal morality is irrelevant here. At least on topics like this. Personal morality is fungible and transient, but most importantly individualized. That's not the topic of discussion.

If someone wants to post, 'should I sleep with my married neighbour?' Then the discussion should be limited to the rational pros and cons such as - well, if the husband catches you he might blow your brains out. That's not morality but rational advice.

Allowing personal morality in this inevitably leads to 'that's immoral bro, cheating is immoral, so there!' That adds nothing at all, and is the general tone of most feminists 'how can you say you're not a feminist, you don't believe women should vote? Gawwwd'.

Get outta here.

[–]RoadToOneFifty 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Cmon dude. This is all a bit silly. The OP is basically saying if you don't agree with his interpretation of TRP (i.e. Sexual Strategy is Amoral™...end of story!) then you're automatically a troll/beta/broknight/whiteknight and you'll be banned. I understand maintaining a framework and having community standards around here but this isn't the way to go about it.

[–]QraQen 2 points3 points  (3 children)

And why does that have to be removed by mods? Whats wrong with the down vote system doing what its intended to do?

The parallel here is hilarious with TRP being paranoid of the threat of infiltrated SJWs.

[–]ECoast_Man 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Irrelevant shit has no place here and derails meaningful debate and information.

I don't see any parallel or humour in it. If you have a problem with the rules or the mods then go somewhere else. Who the fuck are you to stroll in here and dictate terms to the mods?

[–]H42 6 points6 points [recovered]

But ... but ... but ... Someone on the Internet is WRONG!!

Cheers to you Mod. Thanks!

[–]studiov34 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I just find it interesting that a sub with so much complaining about how women are so awful because they're scheming gold-digging cheating whores (the essence of AWALT, and basically a moral judgement), wants to be exempt from the moral implications of their own actions.

[–]un-affiliated 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No one is exempt from repercussions, real life ones, that is. That's why it's perfectly okay to say that screwing your friend's girl will likely end badly.

Moral implications according to a 3rd party is not a concern, however. There's how you feel about it morally, and how you'll sleep at night. There's also how people in your life will respond to your actions. Some stranger on the internet thinking less of you doesn't harm you in any way, except making it hard to find useful information in between their sermonizing. How narcissistic do you have to be to think that your disapproval is important enough for a stranger to worry about?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

When you say "I see no problem in fucking married woman," you are making a moral judgement, are you not? Well keep it to yourself broheim; Red Pill is amoral; No one cares.

[–]eserai 5 points6 points  (0 children)

no. that is not a moral judgement. a moral judgement would be "i think it is morally correct to fuck married women" however, he is saying that there is no PROBLEM "a matter or situation regarded as unwelcome or harmful and needing to be dealt with and overcome." will chad thundercock have any PROBLEM fucking married women? NO, and that is talking amorally and logically. no moral here.

[–]LeFlamel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Moral arguments - "you should/shouldn't fuck married women."

Amoral arguments - "you can fuck married women if you want to, but personally I..."

[–]Ninebythreeinch 2 points3 points  (3 children)

It's the way of Reddit: to judge and condemn everone that doesn't share ones own opinion. That's why it's turning into such a hugbox, where everyone try to make it a "safe" place where nobody gets their feelings hurt.

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[–]omnipedia 3 points4 points  (14 children)

Uh that thread you linked to, including the OP had shaming language from the "pro married women" crowd but all of the comments opposed were deleted.

You can't have discussion when one group gets to harass those who disagree and the moderator threatens to ban the victims of the harassment.

So what you're saying by "no morals" is that only one viewpoint will be allowed. You're fucking lying when to claim its shaming-- and you're threatening people with a ban.

If you have no morals and can't even be honest with the membership here, then this is just as enforcing of political correctness as the worst blue pill subs.

This moderator needs to be removed from this group immediately.

[–]Modredpillschool 10 points11 points  (7 children)

I just took a stroll through both, and there really weren't any deleted comments except for a few automoderator got to, so you must have some info that I don't know.

Listen, there's nothing wrong with having morals, and even making a case for why your moral values are beneficial and others should adopt them.

But if you come out swinging on why your morality applies to everybody and therefore you are our judge and jury, it's straight up trolling and doesn't belong here.

Otherwise, we would have to entertain posts like "treat women like people, you can't generalize you guise!"

And, yes, we've always banned people who come in here trying to take a morally superior tone and shaming people for deciding to live their lives differently. Always have, and always will.

And no, /u/RedPillWatchTower isn't being removed for helping enforce this.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

/u/redpillschool is the head moderator. Please feel free to message him regarding my removal from the mod team.

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Who the fuck is downvoting our amazing mod team? Probably omni's multiple accounts. Just ban that fucking retard and anyone else who acts like him. We already know RP is the truth and amoral. We've seen it work time and time and time and fucking time again. I say ban all the stupid fuckers who even disagree. Nobody has time to debate their faggot shit that clogs up the sub. I don't care if they think its censorship. I remember when this sub had 1-2k members. This crying shit didn't even exist. The men posted and the rest of us kept our fucking mouth shut except to ask for advice. Now we got a bunch of blue pill bitches fucking it up.

You guys are the best mod team on reddit, period. Stand your ground and don't cave to anything.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Thanks for the vote of confidence. None of us are paid for this, we do it because TheRedPill literally changed our lives, and we want the message to remain clear and un-distilled, as we grow in membership.

[–]1Ronin11A 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And many of us appreciate you wading through the bullshit to try and keep this sub's quality high while more and more hop on without even reading the sidebar.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow those comments are ridiculous on that article.

All the people act like she is completely a victim and he over reacted.

He just wasted god knows how much money, time, and whatever else on this girl and she literally destroyed him.

I mean granted it was all his fault, but fuck.

[–]Olipyr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Regarding shaming language, I often see commenters using power talk and the 48 laws of power in their responses.

While we should learn and employ these tactics in our personal lives, I see TRP as a place where straight talk should be the norm.

A lot of guys coming here for help (myself included) will understand and benefit from straight talk much more than power talk.

[–]PabloEscoba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A great read.Im still reletively new here but ive noticed the moral high road in some responses. Its fucking annoying.

[–]battyryder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is funny, if a woman married or otherwise wants to fuck you then, fuck her if you want it. there ain't no bro code when it comes to a dicking. unless it is a literal blood relatives woman, that might be trouble. all these bitches are fair game outside that in my opinion. especially if she's attractive to you and making herself available to you. fucks sake it is her choice just as much as yours.

[–]SQQQ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

"Happy Sunday."

not Father's Day? :p

[–]redpilldiscourse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No? It's fathers day in the US, but not in most other countries. Different countries have Father's day at different times of the year.

nfi if OP is in American, but even if he is no reason to assume every reader is, so 'Happy Sunday' works just fine.

[–]BlueFreedom420 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Ok, ill quote this thread if I get gigged for posting my thoughts.

I hope this is not "Don't spew your morals on me! but you must respect my morals!"

I think rape is a valid way to get sex.

[–]smurfiply 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If you can't deal with an opposing position besides laying down the ban hammer, maybe your own identity is in question. Maybe the mods have a bit of an inferiority complex.

[–]interestedplayer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Right. If you want feminist, go to every other place on reddit. As it happens, this is an island of truth and objectivism amidst an ocean of judging and shaming.

Vote brigades and concern trolls, like you, are too effective to be let run free. Not because you are right, but simply because you are many.

[–]1sardinemanR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've participated in some of these, although I have never used shaming language. Just stated that society is in decline and clearly doesn't have those "morals" and TRP exists as a result, something to that effect.

I don't anticipate ever starting these discussions and I've always just been on topic, but I am rather curious if that is ban worthy. Is it that the opic is just completely banned or just to shaming language part? I think there is a pretty large difference between the two.

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