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Red Pill TheoryYes, AWALT: Famous Photo of POW Coming Home Doesn't Show Entire Story (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by romegas314

Summary

Don't get married.

Yes, AWALT

I have a subscription to a service that lets me see new lawsuits that are filed in my area. A few weeks ago, I saw a lawsuit that was filed by a professional in his late 60s against some other 60ish guy for "alienation of affection" -- i.e., stealing his wife. It was a tough read. The plaintiff and his wife had raised a couple of kids together and were planning on moving to a condo in the stylist part of the city, and the wife just decided she preferred the company of another guy. Basically, after having used the beta to create and provide for a family, and to get her everything that she wanted, she walked away. The husband was stunned, the kids were aghast, and it didn't matter - she needed to do her "journey" or whatever.

This isn't about that lawsuit. It's about this Pulitzer-prize winning photo titled Burst of Joy. It shows an Air Force colonel, Robert Stirm, being reunited with his family after 5 years as a POW in North Vietnam. Four beautiful kids and a beautiful wife. If you can see that photo knowing that background and not feel a little dust in the room, you're a better man than I.

Well, turns out the photo didn't tell the whole story. Here are a couple of articles that spell out more of the background. The shortened version:

  • After his first year of being tortured by the Vietcong, his wife -- and mother of his four children -- was cheating on him, and actually using his POW allotments to finance vacations with her lovers.
  • When he was shipped from Vietnam to the Philippines before being sent home, he was handed a "Dear John" letter written by his wife.
  • They got divorced and despite evidence that she'd been unfaithful she got custody of 2/4 kids (with the attendant child support); the family home and car; and 42% of his pension. In addition, she didn't have to pay back the $136k (about 3/4 of a million in modern dollars) in his POW allotment that she'd already received, though the court did order repayment of $1,500 she'd spent traveling with other men.

I did some additional research; it turns out the good Colonel actually turned down a brigadier general appointment so he could spend more time with his family.

Anyways, the LA Times article allows Colonel Stirm to say it all:

Many people try to escape the past by willing themselves to forget, by allowing the years to dull the ache and make the memories recede. But for Stirm, there will always be the picture.

It is a tangible reminder that what kept him alive for those five years as a prisoner of war was, in part, an illusion.

"The momentum to stay alive for my family's sake was very strong, because I had four neat children and what I believed to be a neat wife that I wanted to get back to see," he said quietly.

Lessons Learned

So, these items should remind us all that:

  • Yes, AWALT. So don't get married. If you do...
  • It doesn't matter if you're sent away because of work or because you're a POW -- if you're away from your woman, she will cheat, and hamster it away.
  • The money you earned -- through 60-80 workweeks, or from having bamboo shoved under your fingernails -- will be used by her to finance her "journey" or whatever with her new lover(s).
  • Don't get married. Seriously, man, don't do it.

[–]RedVillain 252 points253 points  (122 children)

I work with an ex marine who did a few tours in the middle east recently. He can't watch movies or television that depict female infidelity because it puts him in a ptsd rage. This is a man who has killed and has seen his buddies get killed. He said watching his fellow marines get dear john letters and discover their girlfriends and wives cheating fucked him up worse than anything. Let this be a caution to all of us, especially those of you going into the military.

[–]Assassin1476 54 points55 points  (16 children)

I was 19 when I wen't into the Army Infantry back in 2010. Majority of the Drill Sgt's were constantly telling us not to get married because a lot of them were former "Dear John's" themselves or seen it happen to their buddies in deployments; they all basically got fucked in the end and lost everything just like the man in this story. Even in Basic Training and AIT there were guys who were becoming "Dear Johns" themselves or hearing about how some Jody was back home nailing his chick. This was not happening to just a few guys, this was happening to A LOT of guys.

Luckily for me I had enough insight at that age to not go into the army with the idea of having any sort of girlfriend or relationship because I already knew of women and their true nature. Even still; the things you would hear about how some women would fuck over some of these guys were utterly shocking.

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    [–]hikari-boulders 19 points20 points  (6 children)

    Ha! Some things never change. He was banging my platoon's wives back in '94.

    Man, Jody's responsible for children born during WW2.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 23 points24 points  (5 children)

    So basically, Jody is the US Military's equivalent of Chad Thundercock?

    [–]torchbearer101 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Indeed.

    *Your baby was lonely, as lonely could be

    Til Jody provided the company

    Ain't it great to have a pal

    Who works so hard just to keep up her morale

    Sound off! / 1,2*

    [–]hikari-boulders 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Not exactly. Chad Thundercock is alpha and bangs all the bitches in peacetime. During wartime Chad Thundercock would go abroad and bang the bitches there. Jody doesn't get drafted, stays at home and reaps the lonely women, so Jody is by design more of a beta buck.

    [–]kinklianekoff 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    a BB that gets to have commitment free sex? It is a feminine name though, so I get it, he is the best available, but still a fucking pussy.

    [–]Rufio0331 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Jody isn't a BB at all, Jody is just an average joe looking to get his dick wet like everybody else.

    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Jody was in my unit banging everything that moved with a set of tits on it back in 88. It goes way back. His real name was George, but nicknamed himself Jody because that's exactly what he did.

    [–]torchbearer101 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    I too was 20 in 2010 when I went to Benning. E co 1/19

    90% (Not an exaggeration) are now married/divorced

    And I'm just sitting here banging 18 year olds in college. I tried my best to tell those poor suckers.

    [–]Nicholas_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    "And I'm just sitting here banging 18 year olds in college. "

    Living the dream!

    [–]romegas314[S] 146 points147 points  (46 children)

    I don't have a single friend in the military who hasn't gotten royally fucked by marriage. If I was SecDef or whatever, I'd do a bunch of WWII-type propaganda posters telling young men to protect themselves from the real enemy - marriage.

    Hell, I'd chip in a few bucks to see some enterprising TRP'ller put those together.

    [–]manwhowouldbeking 38 points39 points  (4 children)

    [–]rico_tubbs 24 points25 points  (3 children)

    Now that's some grade A psychological warfare right there.

    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Fuck, that's the truth right there.

    [–]Osoto_Gari 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    If I were Iraqi / Afghani / Man of Middle Eastern appearance and wanted the infidel crusaders out of Dumbasfuckistan I’d be trolling the net for legit cheating spouse stories with references and use them for psychological warfare purposes.

    [–]RPMav 32 points33 points  (0 children)

    Or even better, remove the incentive to getting married. Married service members have more pay, more benefits, more freedom in choosing where they live, more support resources when compared to a non-married member cohabitating.

    [–]RedVillain 74 points75 points  (33 children)

    We give a lot of shit to Disney for setting unrealistic expectations to our boys and girls, and Right fully so. I believe the expectations of the military can attack our young men even worse. They don't realize that most women love the uniform, not the man in uniform. We see the feel good stories of men coming home with missing limbs, their women supporting them (props to those women btw). They are the exceptions to the rule. A lot of girls are checked out of the commitment before their guy finishes basic training.

    [–]Assassin1476 54 points55 points  (24 children)

    Women love the IDEA/FANTASY of being with a man in uniform, sleeping with a man in uniform, being married to a man in uniform, being faithful to a man in uniform, supporting a man in uniform, than the actual REALITY of everything I just wrote.

    Actually they love the idea of all this with any man period, then the actual reality of it.

    [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (21 children)

    Reminds me of this unbearable girl -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5HXHPh5NcI

    Her dozens and dozens of videos dedicated to the idea of being an army wife and dating a man in uniform. Looks like they are getting married soon. Anyone want to take bets with me on how long its going to take before the divorce?

    [–]nillotampoco 34 points35 points  (0 children)

    Holy shit that dude she's engaged to needs to RUN.

    Couldn't be more clear that she's super excited to date any West Point attendee not just him specifically.

    [–]wildmetacirclejerk 10 points11 points  (19 children)

    She has the high test forehead of a woman that will cheat.

    I was thinking about this lately, purely on looks which is better, conservative girls or liberal girls?

    I'm excluding fat Sjw feminazis from this thought experiment.

    Because if you look at hot conservative women for examplethe women on fox news, they all look like high test wide forehead hardbody man eaters, not meek sexy feminine women.

    Similarly liberal women range from the super hot ig-im-feminist-but-not-in-my-mating-behaviours type girl who is eminently sexy but also a constant cheat risk, all the way to the typical fat 5 colours in her hair Sjw brigade.

    I thought briefly maybe religious girl types are the answer, and while they may be good for child rearing, as far as bedding down is concerned I'm not 100% convinced.

    Just opening up the question here as I really don't know the answer.

    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 31 points32 points  (8 children)

    The answer is simple.

    DO NOT GET MARRIED.

    Twice divorced Kuwait / Iraq veteran.

    [–]2wiseclockcounter 11 points12 points  (7 children)

    i brought up this very thing in my psych class last year. Basically, I said we all may not be prepared to publicly admit it, but the facial features and overall bone structure of a person can tell us a lot about them. It's politically incorrect to judge a book by their cover, yet everyone fucking does it on a subconscious (and even conscious) level within literally a second of seeing someone. The amount of testosterone in someone's body affects their features and also their behavior. So we can judge what kind of person they are by the way they look. I think the class moments before was talking about why we have an innate fear of bugs and predator animals, then I ventured to apply what everyone was saying but to humans... the class's response? Pretty much just glazed over it. No discussion. Could mean anything, but it's definitely something you don't hear talked about too often.

    Sorry for the reiteration, but yea I'm with you.

    [–]epixs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Makes 100% sense. There is a direct correlation between high test and facial bone feature development. Obviously exogenous test won't fix that if you take it later, but it has been shown in embryonic stages. This is another reason why tren causes that look to the mandibular when run at extreme doses.

    [–]wildmetacirclejerk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Absolutely agree with facial structure.

    [–]Lhtfoot 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    I find this topic super-interesting... Do you have any articles that back this up? Or like a chart showing a comparison of features?

    [–]Anon_216 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    It's called physiognomy.

    Here's a link to very basic material:

    http://brainchanger.com/chinesefacereading/

    Here's a link to a shitty program that simulates different faces/personalty traits.

    http://digital-physiognomy.findmysoft.com/

    [–]2wiseclockcounter 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060213093344.htm

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0081237

    There's a whole bunch of articles and studies out there if you search "personality and physical features" or something like that, throw in the word "appraisal" and for some reason more scholarly articles come up. There are also a lot of spiritual mumbo jumbo blogs talking about astral bodies and shit.

    But it all seems to agree with the intuition that different people have different essences. I think it's due to in-group breeding and the compounding social conventions between groups of people who look differently and treat each other accordingly. Thousands of years of this exclusivity can very easily change actual brain structure/chemistry. Some people are just weasely... others you can tell they're a certain type of person based on the hairline on the back of their neck. Chicks who have those pointier almond eyes- we all know these chicks- don't you get the sense that you're wary around them, like they're inherently capable of something to avoid?

    Really interesting stuff indeed.

    [–]Lhtfoot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Nice, thank you... It kinda seems like this science is in it's infancy. Do you feel like that is the case too? Also, what are your thoughts on how this relates to facial-recognition software?

    [–]easyroscoe 17 points18 points  (4 children)

    Devils advocate: we see pictures of those women supporting the guys without limbs because it's a photo op (ie: attention). I would love to see a study on how many of those women stick around after the limelight dies down.

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      [–]ztsmart 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Heh, it says she divorced him in 2008

      [–]rossiFan 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      It's true that Marines have always had the hottest ex-wives. Not sure why.

      [–]1rlh1271 25 points26 points  (0 children)

      It's probably because they get married when they're 18-19-20 and opt for divorce when they're still in their early 20's. It's definitely easier to be a "hot ex-wife" when you're significantly younger than non-military ex-wives.

      [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

      I have always said that the best way to handle the situation is to make cheating on a deployed soldier an actual crime punishable by real jail time.

      Think about it. A soldier on duty already has to worry about losing his life and limbs, then you add in the extra distraction of an unfaithful spouse / monetary loss in the mix. This causes the soldier to become extremely unfocused and presents a danger to not only the soldier, but to his entire unit.

      When a cheating spouse is confirmed she should be immediately jailed and have their joint assets frozen for the duration of the deployment. Then when the soldier returns home, he can confront her and know that his children and assets are safe.

      Being on a deployment is maddening enough as it is. I can tell you this from experience.

      [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 20 points21 points  (0 children)

      Yeah right. Here's the deal. In the eyes of the state a military man is unfit to be a parent. Had a former Marine judge say it point blank to me while fighting to get custody of my kids while she was in the mental ward for a suicide attempt. Additionally military men are assumed to be dangerous, violent, and abusive so there is a very slim chance anyone in the family Court system will ever do anything to support or protect military men.

      This is shit I know first hand and by watching my subordinates deal with the same exact shit in different states. You're extra fucked if you're serving your country in the US family courts.

      [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 131 points132 points  (26 children)

      I've been saying it for years that cheating on a military spouse should be criminalized again, especially if they're deployed.

      The damage it does to the mission, unit cohesion, and the troop's mental state in a God damn fucking war zone is an extra special kind of infidelity deserving of zero benefits, custody, and IMO time behind bars because of the dire consequences this kind of cheating can cause.

      [–]I_Am_My_Own_God 43 points44 points  (10 children)

      They penalize the soldier for adultery. Severely. Same should go for the women.

      [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      Exactly. Granted spouses aren't responsible for upholding UCMJ, and in fact the military member can actually be held responsible for the crimes of the civilian spouse if the break the law on base. An example is a troop can be punished if his wife gets caught shoplifting at AAFES.

      Seeing as all of that is already in place, I don't see any reason why we couldn't enact some reciprocal laws regarding adultery for those married to military members. Once upon a time adultery was illegal for everyone you know.

      [–]Lhtfoot 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      Well stated... I would actually like to see this in civilian life, as well. I imagine you would see a sharp-drop in murders and domestic-violence. The average guy won't kill you for doing some of the most fucked up shit. But you fuck a guy's wife/girlfriend, beta or not, you might catch a bullet. We can talk TRP on this topic and try to do our own hamstring-away of the obvious, but the fact is, we all know this happens frequently... Many men will never be convinced that they should not marry, as OP suggests. It is as much a family-tradition to marry, as it is a cultural thing. And there is also the religious-element, to consider. Hence, even TRP-reading alphas can often find themselves married... What needs to happen is, incentive to break-up a house-hold/relationship needs to be eliminated. (Doesn't everyone now bitch about the 80% divorce-rate anyway?) Also, there should be incentive to marry and stay married. (Other than the "promises" of endless blow-jobs and no drama from your fiancé). I know TRP will likely hate these suggestions, but what are some others?

      [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Removing the incentive to divorce is the #1 thing. If there's no promise or guarantee of cash & prizes, but rather complete fiscal and relationship ruin if you choose to divorce (for both parties rather than jsut men as it is today), you'd see divorce rates revert back to their pre no-fault divorce days in a matter of months.

      This is where the men's rights stuff comes into play, such as presumption of equally shared custody. If women knew up front they're not getting a payday via child support, which this would mollify, then that's one less incentive to divorce to worry about. Another would be making CS payments actually based on the needs of the child rather than the wealth transfer system we have in place today. "Oh, you got knocked up by a rich athelete? Too bad, you still only get $500 a month in child support, AND he gets to see the kid 50% of the time." BOOM! problem solved.

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        [–]darklogic420 10 points11 points  (4 children)

        What is. What should be. These two things do not match up.

        [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 27 points28 points  (3 children)

        These men seem like excellent candidates for the Russian Foreign office. All it would take is a reasonable stipend and a feminine Russian wife.

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          [–]thredditsowaway 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          He's suggesting that men who are cheated on while deployed are prime recruitment targets for foreign spy agencies.

          Imagine the country you literally kill for and risk your life for takes half of your stuff and gives it to your cheating wife. Are those the legal and moral values you want to uphold with your very life?

          This is a serious problem with the Western legal system. We're just alienating otherwise good and honest men.

          Edit: takes your stuff and your kids. Forgot about that, since I don't have any.

          [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          that's ridiculous. burden of proof is way to high. at best cheating should on military should be zero benefits and a divorce w/o alimony.

          [–]RedPillJohnny 20 points21 points  (3 children)

          This was a scene in "Jarhead".

          [–]foldpak111 18 points19 points  (0 children)

          I see women do this all the time. Just last night I found out a girl I'm fuckin has a boyfriend working IT in Afghanistan. Disgusting.

          [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

          I've heard that in army basic, the DS's will pull all the males in a platoon into a room and announce that their relationships are over. If she hasn't cheated by the time you've arrived at basic, she will. I can't imagine that they haven't seen literally everything anyway.

          If the Army wanted you to have a girlfriend, they'd have issued you one.

          [–]SleepNowMyThrowaway 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          If the Army wanted you to have a girlfriend, they'd have issued you one.

          That's fucking gold, Jerry!

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            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            I didn't serve but after going through that kind of retarded drama I lost all taste for that sort of "entertainment". I used to enjoy watching that show "Cheaters" once in awhile but now I can't. One of the stations in my town confronts cheaters via phone calls...I have to turn, I can't listen to it. It actually makes me sick to my stomach. Guess that's what you get for having empathy. I wouldn't be surprised your buddy is the same way having seen it happen over and over again to guys he cared about.

            [–]Thursday088 14 points15 points  (17 children)

            No such thing as an 'ex Marine.'

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              [–]WAFC 18 points19 points  (12 children)

              Yeah, but not Marines. They brainwash 'em real good at Parris Island.

              [–]my_redpill_account 9 points10 points  (10 children)

              You got me curious, in what way?

              [–]WAFC 34 points35 points  (3 children)

              Disclaimer: I was in the chAir Force, not the Marines...I wanted the money and benefits, not to be Uncle Sam's shield.

              Every Marine I've ever met (starting with my uncle) has held the Marines in an almost religious regard in their mind. They truly internalize the message that they are disposable and the mission is all that matters. Marine basic training (and all basic trainings, but the Marines do it the best/most thoroughly from what I've seen among the various branches) is all about breaking you down to your core and then molding and rebuilding you as a bullet sponge.

              This is great for building a cohesive fighting unit, but shit for producing human beings that will contribute to a society in any way other than murdering undesirables (hence a lot of them go into law enforcement post-military).

              I don't know any other comparison that fits other than it's very much like a cult.

              I think this is one of the main reasons women seek out military men. They already view themselves as disposable and will put up with a LOT of bullshit from a woman they 'love.' Plus the money is guaranteed to the point that it's almost better for her if he dies in combat somewhere.

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                [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                It's also the losers who couldn't score high enough on the ASVAB to get in, but want to play Navy SEAL or Delta Force Airborne Ranger, like glorified mall cops. Enough gear for two weeks to knock down a door and be onsite for 30 minutes, they want to play military hero.

                [–]foldpak111 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                It's sad how these guys fall for the narrative. They eat it with a fuckin spoon then get eaten alive by the economy because no one gives a fuck about the troops.

                [–]1RPAlternate42 9 points10 points  (5 children)

                "Brainwash" is civilian speak for "indoctrination," or, training in such a fundamental way as to change the way one deals with every situation through the lens of that training.

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                  [–]1RPAlternate42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Brainwash has a nefarious connotation. Recruit training trains you to be able to be trained as a marine. It's like marine training 101: an introduction to indoctrination indoctrination;or for you programmer nerds: recruit training is assembly language for the main program.

                  [–]my_redpill_account 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                  Oh okay, I thought there was some different meaning behind it. Thanks

                  [–]TitsAndWhiskey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Most of them. Because most of them wanted to be brainwashed.

                  [–]Squeezymypenisy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  No its the term. Ex is considered bad. You refer to them as former marines.

                  [–]RPthrowaway123 124 points125 points  (11 children)

                  I've seen this story before. It never fails to get my hackles up. She fucked him over, and was fucking rewarded for it by a corrupt system that rewards her cowardice and whoring, rather than his service.

                  [–]romegas314[S] 37 points38 points  (7 children)

                  Yeah, it's tough to see. Really shocked me how bad things were, justice-system wise, even in 1973.

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                    [–]Polaris382 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                    Yep, all the rewards SHE gets (and being let off the hook for all that POW money) is far more infuriating than her cheating. I just dont understand how anyone can even begin to justify that level of absurdity...and as well know this kind of fuckery is very common.

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                    [–]romegas314[S] 52 points53 points  (1 child)

                    Yeah - one of the good things about TRP is that it discusses this stuff through the lens of biological imperatives. Those don't change, be it 2015 or 1973 or 1500 B.C.

                    I also made a small edit to point out that the $136k was actually closer to $750k in modern purchasing power. That's a lot of cheddar.

                    [–]wanderer779 34 points35 points  (0 children)

                    The good thing about TRP is that these things get discussed at all. These stories are never discussed in the mainstream media.

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                          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (10 children)

                          And this sub likes to perpetuate the idea that women aren't evil.only a despicable cunt would behave like that,man or woman.its just that women are the ones who indulge in this sick behaviour

                          [–]wanderer779 35 points36 points  (2 children)

                          I look at it like everyone is as bad as they can get away with being. The thing to do is to change the law. You want to leave your man and destroy your family for no reason? Fine, we are free people and no one can stop you. But you don't get shit other than maybe a couple thousand to haul away your shit and put down a deposit on an apartment. And that is being generous to a woman who decides to destroy her family.

                          [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                          That's too generous. She shouldn't even get that.

                          [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Ah but she gets everything the taxes don't get from his pay, the kids get free medical that she won't utilize because she can get more cash if she doesn't. The state will help her keep the father away from the kids because he's a dangerous violent war vet like Rambo.

                          She gets rewarded for being a useless cunt, he ends up homeless while active duty.

                          [–]zpatriarchy 8 points9 points  (5 children)

                          women aren't evil

                          they aren't. that's just who they are. that's what they are like. there is no princesss unicorn who wouldn't do this. they all would. AWALT.

                          [–]Nicholas_ 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                          Nah, unicorns do exist, but as I say they're unicorns for a reason.

                          I'd honestly say 1 in 100,000 is a unicorn and that's being generous.

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                          [–]StManTiS 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                          I'm sure if he was found she would play the victim and claim to be soooooo sorry.

                          [–]romegas314[S] 99 points100 points  (13 children)

                          A thought just occurred to me. Of all of the creatures that are set forth in Homer's Odyssey -- cyclops, witches, sirens, sea monsters, gods -- none are as fantastical as Penelope, who kept faithful while waiting for her husband to return for 20 years.

                          [–]kempff 23 points24 points  (4 children)

                          Quite the counterpoint to Helen, who started it all.

                          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                          I'm giving Helen a break she didn't have any agency. Paris straight up kidnapped her, and after her rapist-ist husband died she was betrothed to his brother. She was happy and true to Menelaus once she was rescued.

                          [–]hectortamerofwhores 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                          I don't remember reading it that way; the Illiad and the Odysee both kind of implied she was acting (to some degree) of her own volition.

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                          I kinda feel she was going with the flow because what the fuck else was she going to do. I haven't read the book in about 20 years but I'm faro more critical of Ryder's portrayal of Mina in Bram Stoker's Dracula. That girl was just loyal to whomever was next to her.

                          [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (3 children)

                          Not even the chick from Castaway was that faithful.

                          [–]curveball21 31 points32 points  (2 children)

                          In all fairness, she and everyone else believed Tom Hanks' character was dead.

                          [–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                          Except that some of the texts state that he found she had cheated on him and she was exiled to Mantineia as a result. The other legend is that she variously cheated with any or all of the suitors, the god Apollo and or Artemus to produce Pan.

                          http://www.maicar.com/GML/Penelope.html

                          [–]let_terror_reign 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                          Tbf none of them measured up in any way to Ulysses.
                          What if they had?

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                          Tbf none of them measured up in any way to Ulysses

                          Odysseus* But you are very right. If some demigod flew down whilst Odysseus was gone, she'd have a new husband.

                          [–]nuesuh 72 points73 points  (7 children)

                          "Women have always been the primary victims of war." - Hillary Clinton

                          Yeah, must suck to be a woman. Life is so unfair.

                          [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 27 points28 points  (1 child)

                          Hillary Clinton armed ISIS with Libyan weapons.

                          [–]denmaur 18 points19 points  (4 children)

                          Dodging bullets in heels ain't easy.

                          [–]NidStyles 10 points11 points  (3 children)

                          That's sperm cupcake, bullets actually hurt when they hit you.

                          [–]denmaur 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                          I'm not sure I follow you but I was referring to her Bosnia adventure.

                          [–]daballer2005 58 points59 points  (37 children)

                          Protip: Don't leave your girl for months on end. There's a 99.5% chance she will stray.

                          [–]bakbakgoesherthroat 57 points58 points  (32 children)

                          That's terrible advice. You're recommending that men should mate-guard their SOs like dogs. Better advice is to avoid emotional attachments with women all together and spin plates instead.

                          If you want someone loyal in your life, get a pup.

                          [–]wanderer779 11 points12 points  (28 children)

                          what if you want to have kids?

                          [–]bakbakgoesherthroat 59 points60 points  (12 children)

                          This isn't the right country for it.

                          [–]wanderer779 10 points11 points  (5 children)

                          Yeah you are right about that

                          [–]bakbakgoesherthroat 8 points9 points  (4 children)

                          It's not something I want to be right about. I'd love to have a family of my own one day with good kids and a loyal wife but this is no longer possible in our times, unless you want to risk having your kids get taken away and your wife gouging out 2/3 of your assets.

                          [–]metalhead4 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                          One argument and the bitch dumps you then gets her pussy filled on tinder.

                          [–]StManTiS 5 points6 points  (5 children)

                          It's funny to me how the most patriarchal countries are the most fertile yet we bitch about birth rates and retirements and then move farther from it.

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                            [–]2Overkillengine 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                            That and the average man would have to learn to refuse to enable "bad" behavior in women.

                            Which can go counter to getting laid as often as possible.

                            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                            Don't need a marriage contract to make a baby

                            [–]wanderer779 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                            but you kind of do need a LTR with a woman to have a baby, unless you just want to fuck and run like a damn reptile

                            [–]Grasshopper21 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                            The thought that just went through my brain was that men should get uniform full body reptile tattoos so that they couldn't be identified from one another. Lizard Bros unite. I am Spartacus.

                            It's been a long day...

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                              [–]wanderer779 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              true but I already knew that and we weren't discussing whether to get married.

                              [–]Newdist2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              You're recommending that men should mate-guard their SOs like dogs.

                              "like dogs" is a bit of an exaggeration, but historically... yes, men who were invested in their women mated-guarded them seriously, because committing to a woman who fucks other men is evolutionary suicide.

                              Somewhere along the line, men invented civilization to mate-guard their women for them when they weren't around. And by "civilization" I mean "stoning adulterers".

                              It was a good system while it lasted.

                              [–]trphardmode 59 points60 points  (0 children)

                              Protip: Don't get captured by the Vietcong.

                              [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Reality: She will fuck around even when you're not deployed, just on duty.

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                              [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (5 children)

                              Best comment. Don't be a tool of women, the government, corporations etc.

                              [–]darkrood 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                              Not trying to insult military, but isn't building "instrument for the war" (i.e tool) the purpose for the institution of military?

                              I mean, they certainly don't want bunch of strong, disciplined guys with no control buttons.

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                                [–]darkrood 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                The majority of the resources certainly did not end up to feed the majority. I certainly don't think typical soldiers' family members reap the benefit from the war as much as the defense companies that got billion dollar contracts up front.

                                [–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                Some people don't realize or care that anarchy is their 6th grade gym class when the teacher is away....and that there is always a bigger kid.

                                [–]foldpak111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Lesson learned: don't join the military.

                                [–]GoatwithHorns 25 points26 points  (3 children)

                                In some ways it's fortunate that I've never been attractive or loaded enough to attract a woman for marriage. Shit like this makes me content with self improvment, myself, escorts and life without marriage.

                                [–]AyyLMAOistRevolution 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                                You ain't so fortunate, son.

                                [–]metalhead4 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                It ain't me, it ain't meee, I ain't no senators son

                                [–]gregd28 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                His life doesn't sound so bad to me, bro.

                                [–]MagicGainbow 18 points19 points  (30 children)

                                I'm not surprised but amazed the Air force didn't make her pay back all the money she spent on lovers.

                                [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 61 points62 points  (29 children)

                                The troops are nothing more than expendable pawns to be moved around the chess board. The military, as an institution, would rather ALL the troops die instantly upon immediate fulfillment of purpose with no further use available; it would be the maximum possible arbitrage. There are always fresh recruits constantly being born and growing up to be ready for service. There are no shortage of men eligible for the military; many of them are rotting in prisons.

                                Anyway, if a troop survives, he and his family have to be paid. But being paid free of having to spend his time frees him up to be a politically active, and a potential nuisance. So much the better if he gets hamstrung by having his pay swindled away from him through some technicality. The objective is to minimize the number of men, especially military men (who have less illusions about the role of violence in the world) as political actors.

                                After World War II, many returning GIs were able to successfully organize reforms from the political system; their negotiating power came from a tacit threat to use force. Think about it: you survive a fucking war, you kill lots of men, you bond with other killers, then you return home, and some sleazeball politicians and capitalists try and boss you around for chump change?

                                [–]bakbakgoesherthroat 18 points19 points  (9 children)

                                yeah but the WWII generation raised baby boomers, who ruined it for generation x and millennials

                                [–]alcoholicthrowaway45 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                Yep. Greatest Generation my fucking ass. They raised a generation of entitled pricks.

                                [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                So very true.

                                I think Eisenhowers "Beware the military industrial complex" speech embodied the above statement perfectly.

                                [–]Monty_Brogan 7 points8 points  (5 children)

                                I'm not going to address your pawn statement -being a former 0331 combat vet, I'm just not in the mood. But your statement below is laughable.

                                There are no shortage of men eligible for the military

                                Really?

                                The report said increasing obesity rates among Americans ages 17 to 24, declining high school graduation rates and criminal backgrounds were severely narrowing the pool of applicants who could meet the armed forces’ academic and physical health standards for recruits.

                                The report noted that one in four young Americans lacks a high school diploma and 30 percent of those who have one and try to enlist fail the military’s math and reading tests.

                                It also estimated that 27 percent of those between 17 and 24 could not hit the armed forces’ weight limits and 32 percent had other health problems, such as asthma, poor eyesight or hearing or attention deficit disorders, that ruled them out for military service.

                                The report also said about 10 percent of the potential military service population was ineligible because of at least one prior felony or serious misdemeanor.

                                Mission:Readiness isn’t the only one sounding that alarm. On March 3, 2009, Curtis Gilroy, then the director of the accession policy office of the undersecretary for defense for personnel and readiness, told the U. S. Congress’ House Armed Services Committee pretty much the same thing.

                                He cited the primary drivers as obesity and low high school graduation rates when he said "we find that only 25 percent of our young people today, aged 17 to 24, are qualified for military service. Not a good situation."

                                Our ruling

                                Bing West said 75 percent of young adults in the United States were physically or mentally unfit to serve in the military. The Defense Department and a non-governmental organization have both done research that support his claim.

                                http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2014/mar/02/bing-west/author-bing-west-says-seventy-five-percent-young-a/

                                Think again.

                                [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                                Lol. Come on man, it's nothing personal. When I say pawn, I don't mean idiot, I merely mean vis a vis the people at the apex of society, the billionaires and their managerial assistants, who have insane amounts of power, we're ALL pawns to one degree or another. Is the consumer any less a pawn with his restricted choices at the supermarket? Or anyone who has a "job." Don't feel bad.

                                People were saying the same shit prior to WWII. Americans were weak-minded, hedonistic, drug-using, jazz-listening mongrels with no warrior tradition. And then the US stomped the shit out of the Nazis and Imperial Japan, coming in at just the right time, after both powers were sufficiently weakened.

                                Here are two things to consider:

                                1. Young people are highly adaptable. Sure, they many may not be in the best of shape, but many COULD be shaped up. All they would have to do would be to declare an emergency, scare the living fuck out of people, reinstitute the draft, and put the young people through the same grueling time-tested regimens that have worked in the past. This is a country of 350 million plus people, so there are plenty of young folks to draw from. Sure, some will keel over and die, but others will adapt and become hardened warriors. I can tell you that when I was 21 and decided to clean up my act, it took me exactly 3 months to go from skinny-fat dope-smoker to muscular in shape dude, and I'm not exactly the best physical specimen. There are people with serious drug and alcohol problems who are superb athletes.

                                2. It's not about numbers; it's not about physically strong human beings. Ever notice the prevalance of war-gaming? And then you have the rise of robots and UAVs as killing mechanisms. Imagine a draft where everyone is forced to undergo mandatory video-game style simulation training, and people fight for .mil from the comfort of their own homes, through the internet, from their playstations or PCs. Meanwhile, the auto-robot factories spit out an endless supply of new mechs for people to take control of. It's not that far-fetched; most of the infrastructure has already been laid. The training was disguised as recreation and undertaken voluntarily, thereby externalizing all the costs onto the citizen / taxpayer.

                                Anyway, don't take the criticism of the institution personally. I just hate seeing guys who risk their lives get fucked over AFTER they survive doing their duty, and by their own governments and civilians that they were serving.

                                [–]boscoist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                i have 2 things for this:

                                1. you're absolutely right.

                                2. when the need gets dire, none of that matters, the draft is liable to get extended all the way 18 (maybe 16) to 55 and allow for waivers on most if not all of the issues listed. Additionally, wartime rationing could solve some of the obesity issues. Alternatively, "prep" schools (read: fat camp) could drum some of the obese into acceptable shape for service, also, fat shaming would be socially encouraged.

                                [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                Additionally:

                                http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/218473-military-men-are-just-dumb-stupid-animals-to-be-used

                                “Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” - Henry Kissinger.

                                I don't agree with the the "dumb, stupid animals" part. That's completely unfair, because many are practically children who have been institutionalized their whole lives in public schools and completely brainwashed. They are children. All they know is what their elder's tell them, for the most part. And that is why I agree with the pawns part. You can be a genius and still be a pawn because key pieces of information are hidden from you.

                                [–]Endorsed ContributorDenswend 17 points18 points  (2 children)

                                Scouring through PPD I saw a thread decrying TRP for being offensive. Pretty standard jab, they took the Girl on TwoXChromosomes continues hooking up with "an inconsiderate, disgusting douchebag" for 3 years straight. Hamsters ahoy! and ran everything they could to make us look as evil woman hating extremists. Things like not agreeing with woman by default and second guessing what she says. Pretty standard spiel of "TRP EXPLAIN URSELF" when the content is not even that bad.

                                Yet this thread is the currently on top, and arguably more visible than that thread.

                                There are people here, in your country, on this very internet, that call themselves men, and search this very place to find things that outrage them. And they overlooked this thread. They overlooked the story of a man who spent 5 years in Vietcong camp, while his wife rode another man's dick with her hubby's money to find something that they can construct in their precious minds as hateful and extremist towards women cause the engine of entire civilization, straight white men, suck. Reading this, you cannot possible become anything but angry. Hell, if you read this, and are absolutely outraged, it's a good sign - sign that you're still sane. I cannot possible imagine someone being an apologist for this system, yet there are people who shove this kind of things under the carpet so that they can complain about random things that made a random woman vaguely not so good. And this kind of hypocritical evil comes only from women, and feminized men.


                                This reminds me of a story from my high school. We were reading this one book for Literature. The plot line is as follows :

                                A man spent 8 years during most brutal warfare. His wife, in the meantime, spent the most of her time being courted, taken to fancy dinners and such. Her husband returns after 8 years, goes in HIS HOUSE, and sees her from a window being escorted by another man, wearing a stunning evening dress. The husband is furious. The woman is putting him down and telling him that he is jealous without a reason to be, etc. Finally, she shows him the letter from her father, the one who died years ago, in which her father is ensuring him of his daughter's virtue. The woman is all in tears. The man reads the letter, and flips the attitude. Now he is being warm and welcoming. The woman is now enraged that he ever considered her cheating on him, and her as a sex object, and kills him. She shoots him with a revolver.

                                At the end of the story, teacher asks with a smug face "Do you think women are equal now?".

                                A story of a man who spent 8 years in Soviet prison while his wife pranced around with bunch of suitors, who comes back to see his wife going back from a date, who is outraged for no good reason, who gets killed by his wife when he didn't even lay a finger on her, and the hero is supposed to be a woman.

                                And women, mostly agreed.

                                See, unlike men, women actually treat all men as objects. All women. Some are more open, some are less so. A woman may love her husband, her son, her father or brother, but she will hate the male sex as a whole. We are not people of flesh and blood to them, not persons of our of thoughts and feelings, we're not even animals they consider cute. With the same cutesy face that they demand their equality with, they will send young men into slaughter. For equality you see.

                                Of course, call a spade a spade and they will backpedal as fast as they can - they cannot afford to lose their moral supremacy by showing just who they are, so they will apologize profusely but plant a seed of hatred against you in the back of their mind.

                                So next time you see feminists or even average women clamoring about this grand conspiracy of women haters, of this immense hatred that the average man has for the precious and innocent women - remember that women are prone to projecting more than men.

                                [–]jquest23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                "Woman are more prone to projecting then men" great and true statement. I've been grasping at this concept and you said it perfectly!

                                [–]MHOOD01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Of course they passed up on this thread. It's a pick and choose on what they can spin and make it look like something it's not.

                                I think it's best if some people here stop posting threads about the places that you mentioned, we already know they are full of shit. Just let them fade away and let them bring us more followers when they mention this sub.

                                [–]wanderer779 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                                Another lesson: try not to get mad about it, or if you do, direct your anger at the government and laws which can be changed, instead of at women who can't.

                                [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 15 points16 points  (4 children)

                                You know what pisses me off the most about this story? Soviet Intelligence should have monitored the Colonel's wife and used some blow job pictures to turn him. Really a missed opportunity in my opinion. Oh well I guess there is always next time.

                                [–]trpdownunder 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                putin is stoking the fire once again. Dont worry, they'll get another chance

                                [–]MicroMinion 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                                This is what he protected and served.

                                [–]2renzy77 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                                Unsurprisingly at least one of the daughters manages to portray her mother as the real victim here:

                                "She had a rough job, raising four children on her own," Lorrie said. "She was very young."

                                No matter how odious a woman's behavior is, there is literally always some way people will find to rationalize, excuse or justify it.

                                [–]snakehayter 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                This has to be the most painful way to unplug, imagine being a pow and the only thing getting you through torture is the thought of your wife and children's faces, just so you can come home to a cheating whore stealing your money.

                                [–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (17 children)

                                1973 man, that was in '73 before the internet and online dating.

                                Marrying today is more stupid than in '73. My plate's girlfriends are ALL getting married for papers. All of them. That's how they see it. As a business deal which it is. Men if you wants kids raise them yourself with a modest woman from south america. Yes it's not the perfect American family portrait but it will be more stable than a white Americunt.

                                [–]Life_Can_Be_Simple 27 points28 points  (2 children)

                                Not just White but any Western raised woman.

                                [–]Assassin1476 15 points16 points  (10 children)

                                If you do any of that, stay in Brazil or somewhere you can't get divorced rape and all that other crazy nonsense that happens here. Like Eddie Murphy said in his stand up, he got some African bush bitch because American women are shitty and eventually after being in America with American women and learning English....."HALF! I WANT HALF EDDIE!"

                                [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

                                "I see you on television. You are the fuck-you man. Fuck you Eddie."

                                [–]vadangelo 17 points18 points  (5 children)

                                Dude, there is divorce rape in Brazil. No fucking fantasy down here.

                                [–]Assassin1476 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                                That's what I figured. More of the reason why I said somewhere else because I heard Brazil was getting pretty bad with the feminism down there. I seen this video on Youtube where this one guy was atop a hill talking major shit to a large crowd of female feminist and they were all screaming at him. Eventually by the end of the video, he had to run away because they were trying to swarm him like the World War Z zombies.

                                [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                                Sounds like a great movie waiting to happend, replace zombies with feminists

                                [–]redpilldiscourse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                Ya, know? We need a zombie survival game where the zombies are replaced with feminists....

                                [–]MHOOD01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                Haha! That guy flashed his dick at their bullshit feminist movement.

                                You see that lady swinging her bag trying to hit him? What a goofy bitch.

                                [–]PedroIsWatching 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                                Hard to believe that standup was 30 years ago, 90% of it is still completely relevant today. Check out George Carlin's Class Clown for another timeless comedy album. I remember hearing his bits about the Vietnam War and thinking that with a quick word substitution, all of it still applied to current conflicts.

                                Of course you have to remember why we're over there in the first place.... [long pause]

                                [–]denmaur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Another good one is Sam Kinison talking about marriage and women.

                                [–]GainzdalfTheWhey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                You can't get divorce raped in Brazil? I live here but i'm not sure how it works.

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                                  [–]RoadToOneFifty 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                                  Military wives are massive whores. I thought this was already common knowledge. They pressure their bluepill-masquerading-as-redpill warrior to marry them right before deployement. Meanwhile, she's back on base riding cocks like it's the last day on Earth. If he gets killed, she gets his benefits. If he finds out, out comes the hamster. "I was lonely. I wouldn't have gotten mad if I was gone for 18 months and you found a woman" (of course, that's a lie but she'll say it to guilttrip the cuckolded husband)

                                  P.S. no...not AWALT in this case. Military wives are even worse than the average woman. Only wives of millionaire celebrities/businessman are more entitled/spoiled.

                                  [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                  Of all the AWALT, Don't get married reminders...this one hits the hardest.

                                  [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                  this explains to me why there are so many women pushing and shoving to be a army wife

                                  [–]1NV0K3R 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                                  Women love a man in uniform.

                                  My uniform right now consists of jeans and a t-shirt.

                                  Don't let it fool you boys.

                                  [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                  I always see "Women are different from how they used to be".

                                  This is not the case at all. AFBB has always been a thing. It's just that we're just now bringing it into the light.

                                  [–]Ohmyqueef 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                                  Let that be a lesson to some of the newcomers here to TRP. A-Fucking-WALT. When that man's life was in danger, when he was captured and made destitute by the enemy, and brought immense dishonor in his enemy's captivity; his wife, was out fucking and sucking other men, and using the pension of his fucking Prisoner Status to do it! What the fuck is that shit!

                                  I believe they have a saying in America: "Jody Boy's fucking your wife, and your paying for it out of your ass. I've heard somebody say this, not sure where, or if this is an actual phrase you guys use, but it stands nonetheless.

                                  Women are not loyal, at least as far as you guys and I are concerned. I advise each and every guy here who's in the military or coming out of it (even if you aren't) to research the life of American army Major Dick Winters, WW2-era. Guy was the definition of frame-control. Even though he had women on his back he never committed to them, because he saw them as a burden on the brain in combat. A man should be focused on the task at hand when his life is on the line, not worrying about some woman back home, daydreaming about her, too scared to stand up and shoot back because he might get killed and never see her again.

                                  [–]ponylies 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                  I had a friend/former brother in arms get back from Afghanistan in November. Got married before he left, and guess what? Found out last weekend she cheated on him while he was gone. Despite they are still together... AWALT...

                                  [–]save_the_rocks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                  Interesting post to read the day after fathers' day.

                                  [–]kempff 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                  It is said that Moses allowed divorce to prevent uxoricide. The older I get, the more I understand why.

                                  [–]pnw_diver 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                  Relying totally on a woman or believing in her fully are both Fools' Errands.

                                  [–]plentyoffishes 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                  Happens all the time in the military. Men cheat, women cheat, it's a horrible idea to get married, an even more horrible idea to chose a career in the military, and just sheer stupidity to think that women, or men, will be "faithful" when they're apart for months at a time with no contact.

                                  [–]HellhoundsOnMyTrail 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                  Being in the military and having girlfriends at home while on deployment was my first taste of the pill.

                                  [–]foldpak111 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                  I was unknowingly Jody last night. Brutal

                                  [–]QuantifiedDisgust 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                  God damnit that hurt to read. Thanks for reminding me what happens to the men who make that mistake.

                                  [–]moose_war 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                  I will probably get downvoted for this, but there are men that leave their wives for younger women all the time, like that teacher in California. The only difference is that when women do it, it's some "spiritual journey" or "what the heart wants" or whatever, but any time a man does it, he's a dirty old lech pedofile, etc.

                                  I think with this type of situation, it's too easy to ignore that retarded men do this shit to their families too, it's just that more often than not, women get away with it and continue to live a charmed life.

                                  [–]wanderer779 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                  the wife here is one of the victims of war Hillary was talking about. Just awful what happened to her.

                                  [–]2renzy77 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                  "Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children." -- Hillary Clinton

                                  Read the OPs story followed by the Hillary Clinton quote if you want to understand just how little women and society care about you as a man. You can get killed, maimed, tortured for years in a POW camp, etc. and they will still find away to make it all about them.

                                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                  I've been lurking here for about a month, and everything has just brought me to the conclusion that life would have hit me with eventually. I have a good number of friends in the navy, army, coast guard and hope that they've unplugged as well. daily reminders of how ruthless woman can be (and how fucked the system is) are like an exercise in endurance, and no matter how much it's painful to read about the other option is 1000 times worse.

                                  [–]1favours_of_the_moon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                  In addition, she didn't have to pay back the $136k (about 3/4 of a million in modern dollars) in his POW allotment that she'd already received, though the court did order repayment of $1,500 she'd spent traveling with other men.

                                  Is there ANYTHING on the planet for which a woman is not rewarded?

                                  [–]fortifiedoranges -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                  More proof that if you're married in the military, you're a chump.

                                  [–]Anarox 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                                  What is redpills stand on serving in the US army (nowadays)

                                  [–]Squeezymypenisy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                  Unless you manage to find a way to get them to pay for schooling then don't do it. It could make you into a man, but it most likely won't. I would not bother at all. What you should instead strive for is either FI or a career that you like enough to do. Don't just have a "job" like everyone else. example: My neighbor is currently a marine stationed in Japan and is about to get out, he qualified for schooling and is going to college. I don't believe he saw any combat in fact last I heard he was guarding a warehouse.

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