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Blue Pill ExampleBeta male allows his wife to be gangbanged by Chad Thundercock, wife leaves hubby for Chad but he won't commit (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by thefisherman1961

TLDR: Beta male engages in gangbangs with his wife, allows his wife to cuckold him with Chad

https://archive.is/s7apo

We've been married 3 years but have been living together as a couple for about 11 years. We met right after high school, became instant best friends and were each others first significant relationship and sexual partner.

My guess it that means he was a virgin and she wasn't. She probably also sucked a lot of cocks in high school and slept with a few guys that are "insignificant" AKA "don't count".

No real complaints but if anything we might have gotten a little too close and comfortable around each other, like an old married couple that knows every story and anticipates every reaction.

I bet that means he allowed her to fatten him up to make him a better beta provider. He failed to give her dopamine rushes and excite her.

We'd always been open about our kinks and decided to try out threesomes a couple years back to spice things up, it was with strangers at first and then friends as we got more comfortable. Everything was fine, it was just something we did for fun 2-3 times a year and it did bring back a lot of the passion but everything got really fucked up this last time.

Threesomes (MFF) or gangbangs (MFM)? My guess is his kinks were something mild like a little bondage, while her's were gangbangs, and she hamstered in her mind that since they were exploring each other's kinks that the two are somehow equivalent and therefore hubby should allow her to fuck other men.

The guy (friend of a friend we'd known for just a month prior)

Let's call him Chad.

was too shy to preform around me and was visibly distressed about it so I decided to give him some time to adjust, I went in a different room and gave them space. I didn't expect it to bother me but it kinda did, I could see them getting along really well in the days after and that just made it worse. I got snappish when she talked about or texted him and asked her not to meet him without me around after she mentioned getting lunch with him. She wanted to do another “threesome” with him and I dragged my feet but she set it up anyway then told me he still needed more time, aka it was just going to be the two of them again. I swallowed my pride and said nothing but snooped her phone while they went to it, I found out they'd been meeting for lunch regularly (after I'd told her to stop) and had sex several times at her workplace.

Next morning I confronted her about it and she wasn't really apologetic, she just told me it was no big deal but when I pushed her about it (and we argued quite a bit) something broke, all of the sudden she wasn't sure she still loved me. Said she felt something with him she hadn't with me in a long time. I couldn't deal with it all and told her to leave, luckily her parents lived nearby and we don't have any kids so that wasn't a problem.

So Chad and wifey manipulated hubby into leaving the room so the "threesome" turned into private 1-on-1 primitive fucking while hubby jerks off outside the door to her moans when Chad got his Thundercock up and fucked her brains out.

Now she's an alpha widow because she realized that beta hubby disgusts her (he has so little respect for himself that he allowed himself to be cuckolded.) He disgusts her so much, in fact, that after some trickle truth, she admits she doesn't love him anymore and has cheated on him with Chad.

After a month of separation, resentful shouting, remorseful texts and crying, she still doesn't think she loves me anymore but wants to come back to our life together and “see” if those feelings come back. As far as I know the other guy left the picture immediately, she did try to get with him after (and hid that fact for a while) but he didn't want any part of our drama.

She leaves hubby for Chad, but surprise! Chad won't commit. OP says that as far as he knows, the other guy "left the picture immediately". That's some more trickle truth right there. In reality, during that month, she banged Chad quite a few times but he won't commit because he knows what kind of girl she is: not LTR material. She doesn't cry because she feels bad about what she did to OP. Remember, she was unremorseful and unapologetic. She's crying and remorseful because she's scared of losing her beta provider when her plans to turn Chad into a provider failed.

I don't know what to do or how to feel myself, it's all happened so fast. Part of me is happy to have her back in any form but I also feel like I've been cuckolded and walked all over. Without her I was sad but I felt strong and resolved for finding someone else, now I just feel weak and find myself doing/saying anything I can to please her. If I could snap my fingers and have my old girl back I would but I don't know that I can ever look at her or myself the same even if this trial period work out.

Talk about a severe case of one-itis. He still believes in the Disney prince/princess happy fairy tale ending so he's going even more beta than before in order to "win her back". She's an alpha widow now; damaged goods. Fortunately, they don't have kids so he might not get divorce raped if he cuts his losses and bails now.

tl;dr: Had what I thought was a perfect "adventurous" relationship but a threesome got too serious for her. I felt cheated on and she got confused, says she doesn't feel the same about me after but wants to continue living together and to see if the love comes back. I'm heartbroken, resentful and confused as what to do. Any advice?

She wasn't confused bro, she knew exactly what was going on. Chad gives her the tingles and you don't. His title ("11 year relationship (29M/29F) nearly broken after a threesome got out of hand") shows that he still doesn't get it. It didn't fail because of the threesome; the threesome was a symptom of the problem and not the problem itself. Your relationship failed because you were too much of a beta. Open your mouth, it's time to swallow a little red pill we have for you.

Lessons Learned: Same old shit. Hypergamy is AWALT, don't get one-itis, don't get married period, don't commit to a slut, beta behavior disgusts women, get in shape and lift.


[–]Reddthrown 250 points251 points  (73 children)

I swear, each time I read r/relationships, it's like reading a field report on TRP.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 208 points209 points  (63 children)

Other subs say we try to recruit for TRP. No. We don't.

But r/relationships does...

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[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (15 children)

I was sent here by 2XC. : o

[–]alArabi-alSuri 39 points40 points  (14 children)

I signed up for reddit and 2xc was a default subreddit. Wtf?

[–]StrokeGameHusky 40 points41 points  (2 children)

That's fucked. CEO is a SJW..

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

you are just learning this now?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (7 children)

It's because feminism is so pervasive. Now it's us that are a minority.

[–]Luckyluke23 4 points5 points  (0 children)

and no one knows , cares or is AWARE of it

[–]NightGod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It has been for a while and all they do is bitch about it because they don't like all the new people. Gotta watch them feels.

[–]tuxedoburrito 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The only reason I ever found out about it was because of someone bashing it.

and I'm so thankful they did or else I wouldn't have found it.

[–]thefisherman1961[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I've learned in my life that the best way to destroy an idea is to pretend like it doesn't exist. I've never read the Laws of Power, but that's got to be in there in some form or another. Politicians do that when their opponents point out undesirable things about them, regardless if they're true or false. They ignore it until they're directly confronted about it.

[–]norstar1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's a reason feminazis hate this subreddit, especially the female ones. Calling out their bullshit strategies and devious pleas for sexual attention is basically the equivalent of announcing to the world a nation's heinous acts done in secrecy. They're worried people will slowly rise up against the shitty way of life they've been building up for decades.

[–]Rathadin 68 points69 points  (28 children)

Funny thing is, we don't have to try to recruit... American women are doing the recruitment for us.

That's why I rejoice every time a beta blue pill bitch is broken in half like a bear eating a salmon. They eventually crawl off and die - i.e., their soul dies and they end up ultimate beta bitches - or they discover TRP in one of its many forms and transform into an actual man.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 37 points38 points  (14 children)

Most here dont want to recruit. Less competition and people will find us when they are ready. We are not here to save random dudes. We are here to learn and help those that want to be helped.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (12 children)

We are not here to save random dudes.

And this is why society is so fucked up. The feminists certainly don't have a problem recruiting people. There's power in numbers, and feminists controlling the government's guns is a very bad plight.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 10 points11 points  (5 children)

This is no fight against feminism. Go to mra for that shit. This is about learning to live and prosper in a feminist society.

[–]rpkarma 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Most guys don't want to be saved.

[–]_newbeginnings_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This community definitely saved me from jumping into another failed relationship where I try to bend over backwards to make the woman happy and instead get my ass rammed. Also saved me from trying to be the sweet caring guy when hitting on new chicks...and boy what a difference being indifferent to a plate's feelings makes.

[–]gymgoer205 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Feminists can recruiti all they want. Masculinity and femininity arr ingrained in us. Even is feminism takes over it will likely be wiped out in 1 or 2 generations. The most alpha men will still get laid and will still have influence. They will pass their knowledge and advantages to there kids.(sons AND daughters ). Those kids will do the same and so on until feminism is after proving to be a failure ended.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 8 points9 points  (0 children)

a beta blue pill bitch is broken in half like a bear eating a salmon

Heh. Brutal. But makes the point nicely.

[–]newmewuser4 2 points3 points  (9 children)

a beta blue pill bitch is broken in half

That hit close to home for this ex-beta orbiter.

[–]thefisherman1961[S] 40 points41 points  (1 child)

The irony is that recruitment is actually discouraged (first rule of Fight Club). That just goes to show you how little people outside of our community actually understand what TRP actually is.

[–]mister_barfly75 7 points8 points  (0 children)

We don't recruit. We don't need to. Relationships and DeadBedrooms does that for us. As soon as some guy posts in either that their girl won't fuck them but just let Chad bang them up the arse before jizzing on their tits and "I don't know how I should feel about this" they get down voted for being some TRP mysoginst for daring to put their feelings above some girl's tingles, then check us out.

We're not hear by choice. We're here because someone hurt us and we want to know the rules of the game we're playing so we can get an even field

[–]Thizzlebot 10 points11 points  (0 children)

We don't need to recruit lol we are over 100k of people that found this path themselves.

[–]2RedPill4LYF 3 points4 points  (3 children)

We don't have to, but I used to advertise a bit on deadbedrooms just because I felt sorry for those poor bastards.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

When you feel sorry for someone aren't you supposed to sneak up behind them with a 12 gauge?

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Of course, men are wrong, and they don't want any disagreeing with that

[–]totorox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But we're not "men" according to them. We're all sorts of labels designed to decredibilize us.

[–]SnoopKittyCat 7 points8 points  (1 child)

r/relationships taught me that couple therapy can solve any kind of problem, it's quite fantastic :)

[–]_newbeginnings_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lmao nothing like letting it out to a stranger and expressing your emotions while growing together as a couple...

[–]cmiovino 120 points120 points [recovered]

What's really interesting about stories like these is how 'fucked up' their lives and situations get from Chad rolling in, banging for <1 hour (or more, but we'll say not in the picture long enough in comparison to their 11 years together).

Chad rocks out of the picture and two people's lives are severely distorted and torn to rags. This is what happens when two people's lives are both built out of paper cards.

[–]redsuedeshoes25 68 points69 points  (10 children)

This is also what happens when you let your wife whine about wanting a MFM 3some to "spice up our sex lives". THEN...fall for the "he's to shy to perform around you" excuse.

I get being a gracious host and everything, but since when does letting some dude fuck your wife become the solution for curing his shyness. There's being beta and there's being stupid. This guy evidently has a healthy dose of both. You can't make it this easy for your wife to be a whore.

[–]account_rp 20 points21 points  (4 children)

If I was a guy who was actually interested in an MFM threesome, which I'm not, I'd kick Chad out for being unable to perform.

edit. Kick him out because he'd be unable to perform in the mfm, which was the whole point of inviting him.

[–]ghostCanape 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Let's be realistic, Chad can't perform around beta males any more than this dude's wife.

In seriousness, yes I also would have politely kicked him out, i.e. "that's too bad bro, let's grab a drink and forget that your dick wouldn't work".

[–]_newbeginnings_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Is there any connection between TRP theory and alpha animal behavior in the wild? I've never heard of an alpha animal allowing another male access to his females so I'm curious why in the hell any AF would be cool with it in the first place unless it's a plate. Some people might frown on reducing this all to animalistic behavior but the truth is our evolution as animals is a whole lot more deeply engrained in us compared to our time spent as conscious human beings.

[–]Pointless_Endeavors 6 points7 points  (1 child)

THEN...fall for the "he's to shy to perform around you" excuse.

When I first read that part, I assumed he went back after the guy was able to get it up. But then further into the post I realized that he didn't go back in, and that the guy just basically fucked his wife while he waited in another room.

I was flabbergasted.

I re-read to double check and but nope. Reading it as a whole, it's clear that he never actually took part in the threesome. That makes everything else just so much infinitely worse.

[–]Username-_-2015 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's the scary part of all of this. Women will pretend to love you so long as you can pay their way in life. What kind of person pretends to love you for 11 years, what kind of a person does that? AWALT

[–][deleted] 71 points72 points  (1 child)

And the post would be differently entirely if Chad actually wanted just more than sex. The guy totally glazes over the fact that if the other guy wanted to give his time to her, she wouldn't hesitate to abandon him.

[–]Stopher 20 points21 points  (0 children)

That's the killer part. She's only back because she ran out of every other option. That guy needs to man up and show some self respect.

[–]BuffaloSoljah 27 points28 points  (0 children)

"Years of love have been forgotten in the hatred of a minute" - Edgar Allen Poe

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 10 points11 points  (1 child)

What's really interesting about stories like these is how 'fucked up' their lives and situations get from Chad rolling in, banging for <1 hour (or more, but we'll say not in the picture long enough in comparison to their 11 years together).

It's not the sex per se that means more to her than the 11 years with the hubby and sometimes the kids and all else. Part of it is the tingles, but alot of the tingles come from mindraping the hubby and humiliating him like that. Getting him to be such a chump as to go along with it, then doing it right in his face as he sat outside the room jerking.

But hey, burn a WOMAN like that. You'll see CRAZY. LOL. No one will be telling her it's all her fault either.

[–]_newbeginnings_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But hey, burn a WOMAN like that. You'll see CRAZY.

And good luck getting half of her shit during the divorce if the tables are turned....

[–]a_chill_bro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is what happens when two people's lives are both built out of paper cards.

Castles made of sand bro. I love it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 149 points150 points  (23 children)

This is what happens when you don't know how to handle shit tests. Women are habitual line-steppers. They will constantly test your boundaries, and the more you give in, the more they will lose respect for you.

Chad is the only winner here.

[–]He_who_never_sleeps 51 points52 points  (2 children)

I want to hear from chad! He killed it

[–]prodigy2throw 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Somebody get Chad in here. AmA

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

That quote should go down in TRP lore, because TRP is a lifelong philosophy. There is no defined "end" to a TRP lifestyle. Self-improvement is a long goal. This guy stopped or never bothered to improve and he got Thundercocked.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 23 points24 points  (3 children)

This guy stopped or never bothered to improve and he got Thundercocked.

You've been...Thundercocked.

[–]maddington12 23 points24 points  (1 child)

I think the term Thundercucked would be more appropriate.

[–]mister_barfly75 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am never going to be able to listen to AC/DC the same way. Thank you very fucking much.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (9 children)

I got the whole haveing a three-some shit test about my roommate from my main. I just looked at her, paused, and just from the look of my face she could tell she fucked up. I then said in a slow deep voice...."You say some stupid shit and walked out". Didn't get upset, didn't say "maybe", didn't whine or cry. I have never heard someone apologize so much and suck so hard on a dick.

[–]madscientist970 28 points29 points  (8 children)

I'm sort of new to TRP, but isn't the three-some shit test enough reason conclude she doesn't respect you as she once did and shouldn't be your main anymore?

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[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

What if you're in a monogamous ltr with the girl and she suggests it? Is it just your average shit test or is it a 100% end the relationship kind of thing?

[–]roteroktober 39 points40 points  (1 child)

What if you're in a monogamous ltr with the girl and she suggests it?

then you are done with her and next her right there.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And into the trash she goes

[–]totorox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then you were not in a monogamous LTR at all, you just thought you were.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (2 children)

No. I know it seems that way but it's just like when a little girl tells her daddy that she hates him. It is a test to see if you will get emotional and if you do, it tells her that my roommate is of higher value than I am. Or if I started talking shit about my roomy, that would tell her that I see him as a threat. Alphas know their place and know that they are the best and all others are not a threat. My roommate is a black guy who has been working out for 6 years and has me when it comes to size. But that is all he has. I am smarter than him, take more risks than him when it comes to things, and I have more hobbies than him. Plus, I am still in great physical condition but just not as jacked as him. My main is a light skinned black chick btw.

Getting upset over a girl "disrespecting" you is a beta trait. Always remember this "Bitches are never as good as you. You are a man. Anything a woman says about you isn't shit because you are better than them. Never listen to what they say....watch what they do. You are a king and kings have no need to get upset because what they say goes." If she had been flirting with my roomy or rubbing his arms or something like that, then her ass would be nexted. I saw the test and told her she says stupid shit in the tone like she was talking about someone in my pack/family and I will not stand for that and took away attention by walking out. I acted like the alpha of the pack and didn't stand for anyone insulting my pack.

[–]madscientist970 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Good points. I've got a lot of shit to learn here. Thanks for sharing.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 19 points19 points [recovered]

Letting your wife fuck other men is far beyond just failing a shit test. Most blue pill men aren't that pathetic.

[–]TomSachs 12 points13 points  (1 child)

It takes a certain level of autism to let your wife fuck other guys.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Similar line of thinking, but different context: https://youtu.be/T4BE-kJPHFk

[–]daprospecta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i knew the link before going.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 93 points94 points  (2 children)

I have never in my life seen so much male hamstering condensed into such a small area of space. I wanna tell the guy,

"Hey bro, lemme give you a little hint: IF YOU LEAVE THE ROOM EVERY TIME, IT'S NOT A THREESOME OR EVEN A GANGBANG. IT'S YOUR WIFE FUCKING ANOTHER DUDE. That's it.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

They were fucking at her workplace during the day when OP was unaware. So much ego protection

[–]ModAerobus 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The problem is with these kinds of "men," if you try shouting that in their ear they'll only hamster harder.

We really can't save these people no matter how much we try.

[–]Sdom1 66 points67 points  (0 children)

Jesus, the guy just needs some self-respect and common sense. This shit is not that hard, you don't even need terminology for this one.

Just the fact that she would be willing to ask him for a MMF threesome, and then further ask him to leave the room so the other dude can get it up, shows that the marriage is done. It's not about being an alpha widow or anything like that, she just wants different dick.

No wife who has a shred of respect for her husband would ask for these things. Most people who cheat at least try and keep it on the low. To cheat on your partner and rub it in their face (generally a female move) is about as degrading and aggressive as it gets.

[–]rpscrote 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I'm heartbroken, resentful and confused as what to do. Any advice?

Dump her, kick her ass out, and never talk to her again you sackless fucking faggot

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I just don't even know what the fuck goes on in these guys' minds. I was borderline retarded back in my BP days, but damn..

[–]Bewboi 40 points40 points [recovered]

The fact that this poor bastard ends his post with "Any advice?" makes me so fucking glad to be RP.

[–]a_nus 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Poor guy is gonna get a bunch of shit advice in that sub and take it to heart.

[–]Interversity 27 points28 points  (5 children)

I read the comments, almost universally tell him to get the fuck out of there and to never speak to her again. A lot of 'why would you want to be with someone who thinks you're plan B?' straight from Mark Manson.

[–]thefisherman1961[S] 29 points30 points  (4 children)

Everyone knows TRP is the truth except beta males. Feminists use powertalk to describe why they hate it and their beta white knights rally behind them because they don't understand powertalk. When you decode the powertalk, the reason feminists hate it is because last thing they want is betas swallowing the pill, because that means more alphas and less providers. Third wave feminism is just one giant collective shit test.

[–]Interversity 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Ever since reading all six of Rao's columns on powertalk, my perspective on life has been radically shifted. It's like a whole aspect of life that was just invisible became crystal clear.

Speaking of, do you know of any other resources for learning more about powertalk? I'd say it's one of the most important facets to learn in TRP.

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[–]laughkisskill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. Marketing and management textbooks. Ignore leadership textbooks, as they're a dime a dozen and usually a thinly veiled advertisement for a few sponsoring, expensive, leadership seminars or groups.

Power talk is plausible deniability and bartering subterfuge. That is all. Nothing more. Learn it or eventually be brutally used and tossed.

[–]jx234 59 points60 points  (9 children)

The way you circle jerk over this Chad guy in these stories makes me cringe. The reality is probably different to your fantasy. "Chad" is probably a 5/10 guy compared to the 4/10 husband, with slightly more balls/not a complete pushover. The woman is probably a 3/10 land whale. I get that you find it easier to jerk off to the scenario if you imagine the woman being a VS model with Chad as a 6'4 ripped male model. But come on.

[–]rossiFan 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Ha, no shit, right? And "Chad Thundercock" is really just "Chad Differentcock".

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I've heard "Thundercock" so much I actually feel like it's a real name. Not a joke.

But Differentcock makes it funny again. Lmao.

[–]theDarkAngle 7 points8 points  (1 child)

OTOH, OP commented:

really want to but part of me wonders how I could find someone like her again. As another poster suggested, I'm scared to be alone but more than that, I'm scared of not finding someone like her again. We match on nearly every like/dislike, she is the best friend I've ever had and is ridiculously attractive. It was so much easier trying to move on when I thought having her again wasn't a possibility.

I mean this whole story could be bullshit, but not even the most infatuated loser calls a landwhale "ridiculously attractive". I think maybe this guy had just managed to date way above his SMV, before the girl really realized it.

[–]1London-Bananas 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Considering "Chad" won't commit to her he's probably way above her. A 5/10 guy would be glad to take over this woman.

And yeah I guess the Chad Tundercock thing is just a hyperbole, imo it's pretty funny. I definitely chuckled when OP typed "let's call him Chad"

[–]Easih 3 points4 points  (0 children)

so did I, When people mention "Chad" it always make me chuckle.

[–]NotQuiteRedPill 38 points39 points  (2 children)

1) He let another man fuck his wife.

2) He let another man fuck his wife.

3) He left the room and let another man fuck his wife. Goto 1.

Yeah, I don't feel bad for him.

[–]1xwm 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is why people hate the old goto function. Plus your code is entirely unreadable now.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (2 children)

My fucking face while reading this shit, Jesus fucking Christ. I can't even feel bad for the little guy, you deserve everything that happens to you if you allow your bitch to fuck another guy, one-on-one, no less.

And then he says "part of me is happy to have her back in any form" oh my god.

EDIT:

I'm scared of not finding someone like her again.

Fuck this I think I'm done with TRP today.

[–]Cosmonauto 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Where will he find a slutty girl to marry again? ha

[–]LoveLord1000 37 points38 points  (15 children)

I've never thought of Chad Thundercock as being "too shy to perform" or "visibly distressed".

[–]yaardi 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Well, I think it's pretty normal (even for a RP guy) to feel awkward cuckolding a guy like that.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 29 points30 points  (3 children)

The hamster has a side job making excuses for Chad to rail her alone.

[–]LoveLord1000 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I know what you're getting at, but if the guy saw him "visibly distressed" when he wasn't then it's his hamster seriously messing with him.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 8 points9 points  (1 child)

You don't know the power of the beta-side.

Though I agree it is more likely your first reaction. He wasn't as Chadly as she thought and it didn't take her long to figure that out once he got him exclusively after the separation. So just what made her twattle tingle in the first place? That part I don't get...

[–]dandar4600 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He was an upgrade even if he couldn't perform with hubby in the room. That's what it was. She attempted a branch swing and missed.

[–]RP15 50 points51 points  (1 child)

powertalk to get mr beta out of the equation

[–]dicarlok 13 points14 points  (0 children)

To be fair, we don't know that Chad is alpha by our standards. The only thing we know is that he is more alpha than our OP.

[–]frys180 26 points27 points  (4 children)

was too shy to preform around me and was visibly distressed about it so I decided to give him some time to adjust, I went in a different room and gave them space.

This was a great way to isolate himself with his GF. After knowing someone for a month, you'd know if they'd "let you have some time to adjust." Either that or he may have heavily implied that he'd like to be "alone with her just for a moment." This was either "coincidental" or very Machiavellian of him.

But regardless...

I went in a different room and gave them space.

That's so beta I physically cringed. Why would he give that one on one energy a chance to manifest? He should have calmed him down and made him feel "more at ease." But he didn't take the reigns and lead the threesome. Very beta. Very very beta.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

That's so beta I physically cringed.

I stopped reading at this point in the original post, closed the window and said to myself "what the actual fuck". Seriously. How can someone even stand such shit

[–]illtill8614 9 points10 points  (2 children)

honestly i never even go in this subreddit anymore because the stories constantly make me want to vomit. i am smoking a joint right now just because of how nauseated the OP made me. every now and then, TRP pops up on my front page and I 'force feed' myself a post w/ a lot of replies, just to strengthen myself... like tempering steel or some shit. but i'll tell you, it's not easy. it's like the stories just get more and more unbearable.... sheesh

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[–]illtill8614 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah ur right. nobody's perfect... for me, relatively minor stresses like an asshole cutting me off in traffic or having to read a painful account of demasculation on TRP don't send me off the edge, but they do make me angry sometimes... so to take the edge off, depending on my schedule/level of stress, i might smoke a joint, sometimes i hit the gym, etc. i happened to be smoking a joint as i was reading the thread so i thought it would be a funny quip; OP didn't really motivate the joint but i see how my comment could be interpreted as dependency

i was more trying to convey my overall status of mortification at how many of these stories seem to be popping up... like all these dudes are moving around among us on the daily, trapped in their own private hell... shit is depressing that's all. because there is really only so much you can do for somebody who won't help themselves

[–]Rathadin 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This response from a woman on thread is fucking hilarious... and incredibly telling about the nature of women...

As I woman, I agree about this completely. This is how I'd behave towards someone I was with out of convenience rather than passion.

I mean... what can I say about this, really? She's flat out admitting she'd use a man for a place to live / food to eat while waiting for "Mr. Right". Does it get any fucking more AWALT than this? Is it even possible?

I have personally seen the effects of settling for convenience, and it's not pretty. One side or the other takes the other for granted and either resents them and treats them poorly or cheats. This is why I hold myself to a high standard with who I date, because I don't want to be in that position on either side 10+ years down the road.

She's 'holding herself to a high standard' because she's waiting for Mr. Disney Prince. This woman strikes me as someone who's probably an 8 or 9 and doesn't have to settle like the rest of the slores in urban centers, but sounds like she's also feeling the approach of The Wall and is seriously looking for said Prince.

[–]dandar4600 61 points62 points  (44 children)

Another lesson learned is don't open your relationship to MFM unless:

you're the ultimate alpha and you want it to happen

or

she's your plate and you don't care if she drops.

[–]Iron-willing 50 points50 points [recovered]

"Another lesson learned is don't open your relationship to MFM unless: you're the ultimate alpha and you want it to happen or she's your plate and you don't care if she drops."

FTFY. I never understood why guys open a relationship to MFM. I understand that for some it is a kink but it is a kink that will likely destroy your relationship as you are essentially allowing cheating ruining any respect the girl has for you. Swingers, for example, may stay married or in a relationship but if you are going out and banging other people what sort of relationship do you really have besides companionship? Not to mention that women have infinitely more access to dick and so a male will lose 99% of the time in that scenario. Its best to avoid the situation entirely IMO. If your SO brings up a MFM or "open relationship", she already has another guy in mind and is going to try to manipulate you into allowing her to cheat without "technically cheating".

I'm sure there are limited cases where an open relationship or MFM doesn't ruin the relationship but these limited stories are dwarfed by the unlimited stories of relationships that failed because of the guys inability to controls his SO's hypergamy. I think that full acceptance of TRP ideals would be incongruent with an open relationship or MFM when in a LTR. Even with a plate, opening up to a MFM is a good way to ensure the plate is on her way out.

[–]Morholt_dhu 12 points13 points  (12 children)

With swingers I get the impression that it's couples hooking up with other couples. You're supposed to swing together and have everyone on the same page. Granted, if someone opens their relationship up to that, they likely having less scruples about good ol' fashioned infidelity.

Can swingers be TRP?

[–]Iron-willing 19 points19 points [recovered]

I personally don't believe so. If your wife/SO is getting banged by another male how can she possibly have respect for you? TRP tends to trivialize sex but really, sex is a way of either A) a woman communicating that she believes you of high enough value to pass on your genetic material to her offspring or B) having sex while shes not ovulating in order to secure BB (we see this in the primate world - females have sex with BB while not ovulating in order for food/protection and AF while ovulating for good genetics). If a woman is going outside of a relationship it communicates she doesn't believe you of worthy of passing on your genetic material and only sees you as a meal ticket. I can't think of a lower place to be - I'd rather be single than viewed as so low that a woman can walk all over me and use me simply for resources.

So no, I don't believe swingers can be TRP. A man who initiates swinging may be "alpha" in his own mind or exploring a kink but there's nothing alpha about your wife getting destroyed on the reg by Chad. I put swinging in the same category as those who have a "hotwife" fetish. If a guy is interested in sleeping around, he wouldn't suggest swinging. Swinging indicates a lack of self esteem similar to that found in hotwifing but the guy maintains dignity, in his mind, because he gets to participate.

[–]Morholt_dhu 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I agree with you that swinging is no substitute for sleeping around. If a guy wants to be a player, he should learn to be a player. Tagging along with an oversexed female just so he can rsvp to orgies is not the same thing.

I know a lot of TRPrs like to focus on marriageability of a woman, and her prospects as a successful mother. But if I have a plate, towards whom I make NO assumption of exclusivity, what's the harm in me and a couple of other lads getting the plates together and seeing what happens? Assuming these partners have been entirely disqualified as LTR prospects anyway. But perhaps in that context, it's not really swinging.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I personally wouldn't define that as swinging. Swinging is typically referred to within the context of LTR/Marriage whereas group sex outside of LTR/marriage I'd just refer to as an orgy. I suppose it really depends on how you define swinging but personally I've always defined swinging within the context of LTR/marriage.

If you have already disqualified a plate for LTR then there isn't any harm in terms of the relationship in hooking up in an orgy like manner as the relationship isn't destined to go anywhere. I would, however, be careful in terms of your psyche. I've read instances where in an MFM the one guy got less attention than the other guy which lead to performance anxiety down the road and low self esteem. Its one thing to be rejected in a bar for another guy but its a whole other level to have your dick completely ignored while in bed with another girl and guy. Plus, depending on an individuals personality type it could lead to developing a kink for MFM which isn't a recipe for a successful LTR/marriage.

You're right in saying there's no harm to the relationship of a plate who isn't LTR material to do a MFM or similar kink but I would make sure its something you'd really be interested in and have fully considered the repercussions if your personal worst case scenario occurs during the MFM. Not saying it will, just to fully consider the ramifications as human sexuality is often not as linear as we like to believe it is and can be changed and altered by new or fantastical (def: conceived or appearing as if conceived by an unrestrained imagination) events. How many guys do you think grew up with a hotwife fetish? Probably not very many, but once their wife cheats while their self esteem is incredibly low or she manipulates them into an open relationship where only she gets laid, their sexuality is manipulated into seeing it as a fetish despite it lacking any logic.

[–]Morholt_dhu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea, I suppose group sex with a plate is very different from group sex with a girl friend or wife.

I personally never understood the whole MMF thing, although I've heard it described to me by guys that are into it. It just seems like you're getting HALF a woman. My proclivities towards group sex are guided by a desire for more variety within a singular sexual episode, which I feel would not be got if I'm competing for real estate with another dick.

I'm sure the psychological motivations of people into hotwife stuff vs those into couple swapping are a little different, but I can also see where they might overlap in the voyeuristic element of observing your girl get some strange dick. In that regard, I would assume that dudes into couple swapping occur as a dichotomy: those who are coerced into it and either too feeble to say "no", or putting their reservations on hold in the hopes of getting some easy strange (not unlike a dog hanging out under a table while humans are eating); and a second variant might be dudes that are just confident enough in their sexual rapport with a girl that the thought of her as a tag-team partner in an orgy is more compelling than horrifying. I had an ex-girl friend who was real kinky and we sort of came to the idea that it would be fun to hook up with other couples (This was years after we broke up, and I imagine I probably broached the topic first). We were in different cities a couple hours away, with no expectation of exclusivity, but would get together for a weekend every couple of months. Now there are other girls for whom I would not entertain this notion, but I wasn't in love with this ex or concerned about being replaced in her life, and was also supremely confident in my sexual episodes with her. All these things being said, I assumed I would be totally comfortable being in a situation where she's with another guy. Now I'm not going to be the little boy in the corner with her panties on my head tugging at my limp dick, I'm gonna be getting mine too, so it seemed like something worth trying. Unfortunately, nothing really panned out with another couple given our physical distance and the irregularity of our meetings, so I never got a chance to really access that headspace.

I will say that there were totally guys online posing as couples looking to weasel into something.

[–]1London-Bananas 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Yeah single people aren't exactly welcome at swingers clubs. I believe it's pretty much required to come as a couple.

[–]Morholt_dhu 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Yes of course. I guess I'm not sure where TRP stands on swingers. My first impulse would be to say it's against it, as a man is essentially "sharing" his women while still holding onto the pretensions of a LTR. But on the other hand, if a modern man assumes that most women are going to be skags anyway, it seems like a way to have your cake and eat it to. The "infidelity" is basically in a controlled environment, and you get to participate in wacky sex parties, all while having a female companion. Granted it's not really an LTR, but I could see some merits to it.

I'm not arguing one way or the other, the thread just seems like it could touch on this. Any body have any thoughts or experiences?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (10 children)

I wonder if you have any idea where the thrill/turn on comes from that I experience when imagining a plate with another guy. I haven't done a train/MFM but I find it really really tempting. Is that me being self destructive and indulging in my low self esteem? I think it might be that a little but I am not sure. The other factor I didn't mention is that I have always wondered what it would be like to blow another guy; haven't tried it but I probably would do it in MFM. It isn't a huge turn on by itself but I am curious.

So to sum up, I agree with what you are saying, but something makes MFM really tempting.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

I personally believe the thrill comes from the indulgence in low self esteem and the humiliation that accompanies it. For example, the military has the highest percentage of crossdressers out of any profession. Confusing at first the reason becomes clear when you understand that in the military you always have to put up a masculine, hard-ass front and can never let your guard down. If you are not naturally assertive/aggressive, this can be tiring and so some individuals use crossdressing, the polar opposite of their regular facade, to relax and indulge in the humiliation of being opposite of how they normally behave. I think that the cuckolding/hotwife fetish follows a similar mechanism where rather than having to feel in charge all the time you can relax and let your wife "be happy" doing whatever she wants with the added humiliation spicing it up even more for some people. Some guys get off on their wife getting banged by someone else due to the root cause of their low self esteem but also the not having to be in charge and humiliation aspects of it as well. I think even more so in your case as you wondering about blowing another guy isn't about the action itself but potentially more about leaving your typical masculine role with the potential added humiliation to some degree. Then again, I don't know you so I can't say for certain its the humiliation that makes it desireable for you I am just speaking what I've generally seen with respect to this.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that the cuckold fetish is the eroticization of cortisol (the stress hormone). I made another lengthy comment that explains in more detail on some other thread I'm too lazy to look up.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thank you for such a well written response I really appreciate it. Yeah you are probably right.

So I am thinking the best thing to do at this moment is to not even consider indulging. Instead, working on my self esteem, assertiveness, confidence. I would like to someday be so confident that I would not be afraid to display vulnerability.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I definitely wouldn't consider indulging. The slippery slope ideology does hold some truth.

At the same time I caution against forcing yourself into a role you don't feel comfortable with/fronting an overly confident/masculine outward appearance. It is true you have to fake it till you make it but I've seen individuals who eventually combust because they go to the extreme and feel drained from putting up a facade so opposite of what they believe themselves to be. The combustions aren't pretty as they often go from one extreme to another in order to de-stress. Work on your inner confidence, your inner masculinity/assertiveness and your outward mannerisms will follow.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you that makes a lot of sense. I'm really not much of a liar anyways. When I am being honest, calm, having fun, I can go all day. When I am playing a role or anxious I feel exhausted after socializing for short periods. That is why I always thought I was an introvert when I was younger and now I realize I am more of a mix or an extrovert :-)

[–]BattleDrillOneAlpha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sure there are limited cases where an open relationship or MFM doesn't ruin the relationship

The thing is that everybody thinks their relationship is the one that it won't happen.

It's the same reason people do stupid shit and get injured.

They think they are invincible and/or their relationship/group is the same way.

[–]fckredditt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i just can't understand the swinger life style since women always depend on the man to take care of them. how can you take care of something that belongs to everyone? nobody does that. that's why public spaces get trashed all the time. i just can't see myself sacrificing anything for something that doesn't belong to me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some people are into the kink.. It's like this, if your into that kind of thing and you don't give a fuck about your relationship then go for it..

I did the swinging thing before, it was fun... But at the time I did it, I myself had already checked out of the relationship, so I figured why not go out in style and see what the sex clubs were all about

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I suggested this to a plate after sex, she hated the idea. Probably perceived it as me not caring. She would be right.

[–]thefisherman1961[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Also probably a combination of ASD and because she didn't think the second male would be able to fuck her better than you. One of my ex-LTRs brought up doing a MFF threesome multiple times. I suggested a MFM just to see how she'd react, and she rejected it as "gross" (powertalk).

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought it might be arousing, like watching a live amateur porno. But she was too attached to me at the time, begging for commitment, making ultimatums.

[–]Auphor_Phaksache 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I know a girl in a relationship like this. But she honestly fucks the hell out of her provider, maybe because they have kids. They even have another girl friend. i went to one of their parties once and shit was crazy. I have no idea what this guy does, but damn I wish I could figure it out. he not even a chad, more like a computer nerd that just figured out the statistical algorithms of fucking.

[–]1Halfjor 17 points18 points  (1 child)

This analysis is spot on. I wish I could give out ♂'s.

Now she's an alpha widow because she realized that beta hubby disgusts her

Exactly. Chad Thundercock gave her those tingles so well that her view of BB husband was irreversibly shattered.

Her branch swing totally failed, so she's probably hoping she can give some pity sex and get back in BB husband's good graces. Get back into the safe shelter of his income. I'd bet money that she'll try to have more threesomes with newer guys as soon as she possibly can. Women are killer manipulators.

This is make or break. He's either going to separate himself from his slut wife, or become a world class cuck. How do you think guys get to that point? The point where they are sharing their wife with a bunch of other dudes, yet they aren't getting any side pussy. It's this shit. The slippery slope. His wife is probably going to erode his sense of pride. His sense of personal values. This guy knows something is wrong. He feels it in his gut. He should take some fucking action, but what does he say?

Part of me is happy to have her back in any form but I also feel like I've been cuckolded and walked all over.

This is the initial step in him becoming a cuckold. Of course he feels walked all over. He might be too big of a pussy to take control and get the hell out of the relationship though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is different than hearing she cheated though. You were right there. You have an actual fucking memory to attach to it.

How the fuck you allow this...I do not understand.

[–]grut4 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Another idiot who wants to live out porn fantasies.

[–]Negativexlol 7 points8 points  (2 children)

God these stories make me feel sick. I'm glad they are here to learn from though.

[–]Quansau18 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Someone should send him this thread as advice.

[–]Scrotiebutters 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But they had so much in common?

[–]jobs33ker 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It's hilarious and sad at the same time how mainstream reddit passively encourages cucking. People act like they're so "enlightened" and "progressive" by letting some dude cum in their bitches mouth, because they buy into that sex positive feminist horse shit about "its just sex" and "don't be insecure".

They buy into it until they see for themselves what it's like when ts THEIR nuts on the chopping block. Up till then, they have no problem posting that the OP is "just insecure".

Sucks when theory meets reality, don't it?

[–]thefisherman1961[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's because third-wave feminism is a giant collective shit test designed to put all men below women in the social hierarchy so that hypergamy can run wild and unchecked. Those who fail the shit test do so by supporting it (beta male white knight SJWs).

Third-wave feminists absolutely hate the idea of alpha males being higher than alpha females in the hierarchy, and so they shame men who live by the Red Pill. Obviously third-wave feminism ultimately fails because alpha males recognize it for the horse shit that it is, and it also contradicts billions of years of evolution and natural selection.

[–]andeanballs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The rationalization was strong with this one. As a recovering vagina-worshiper I feel lucky as hell to have found this sub.

[–]1London-Bananas 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"I suggest marriage counseling"

[–]my_redpill_account 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She probably lied to chad about her husband or told him she would say it's a threesome then tell her husband he wasn't comfortable.

At the same time fuck it there doesn't need to be an explanation they're both dumb.

[–]thenarrrowpath 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't feel sorry one bit nor do I respect other men who allow the MMF threesomes. He deserves what he put on himself.

[–]wiseprogressivethink 2 points3 points  (0 children)

His options now are:

1 - Dump the whore, gain some self-respect, lift

2 - Cuck For Life

3 - Suicide

My money is on 2.

[–]watersign 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"i feel kind of cuckholded" haahaah bro, YOU'VE JUST BEEN CUCKHOLDED!!

[–]basquiatsdroppedhigh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is just going to be a semantics opinion and not a general response to the post. I don't agree with referring to (MFM) as a gangbang and not a threesome. The problem is not the MFM but the fact that this guy was a little bitch. A threesome is a threesome and you can be an alpha fucking male in a MFM, case in point chad thundercock. A gangbang is MFMM or more. Three people is a threesome. Sometimes I feel there is a slightly homophobic undertone to this community and it frustrates me. Be about what your about where it be MFF or MFM or even a gangbang. you might have to be a fucking alpha God about it like Dante Nero but just be about what your about. Anyway good post! I find the personal stories to always be the most helpful.

[–]rymdsylt 2 points2 points [recovered]

So Chad and wifey manipulated hubby into leaving the room so the "threesome" turned into private 1-on-1 primitive fucking while hubby jerks off outside the door to her moans when Chad got his Thundercock up and fucked her brains out.

I couldn't read further than to that point. I've gone from the anger phase, to the acceptance phase, to "aw shit, all these betas. I feel so fucking bad for them". I somehow feel bad for him. Is this what empathy is like? If so, how do I get rid of it again?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

It would be cool if an experienced RP could do a write up about how such a relationship could be salvaged if other circumstances made that worthwhile.

As a theoretical lesson on how to deal with such situations that would be an invaluable teaching tool.

I'm not saying this relationship should be saved. I'm just saying, if one was going to save it then how would he go about doing it?

I could only bumble at a game plan myself.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 2 points3 points  (2 children)

No circumstances really would make it worthwhile, outside of fantastically contrived circumstances (crazy things like, she is the heir to a multi million dollar fortune, with no pre-nup and you're 1 year away from lifetime alimony in your state).

That's sorta the point. She doesn't respect you. She's going to leave you the moment she thinks she can branch swing again. This behavior pattern will be repeated, all things being equal. You can put in gargantuan effort with dread gaming her - lifting, talking to other women, improving yourself professionally, etc.

If you improve yourself enough, she'll become attracted to you again (if you went from Mr. Beta Schlub to ripped CEO of Apple tomorrow by some magic means, you'd absolutely have the option to get her back).

But... why?

Chances are you can just do better. She's just another girl out of billions. Equal in value to every single other one - actually worth quite a bit less in value than most, considering certain aspects of her personality, at least in my estimation. Why spend time with trash?

Drop her, find a better girl, and don't do things like this again.

[–]faded_jester 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Wow this guy served himself up a massive shit sandwich and immediately started crying when he found out it actually tasted like shit. Then he tries his hardest to blame anything but what's between the bread. It's shit man.....just shit.

[–]pwnerofnoob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's like dropping your ice cream cone in the dirt, and trying to wash it off...why bother?

[–]ThorCoop 1 point2 points  (2 children)

My father always told me men and women can't be friends. Nor shall you ever allow a man to stay at your castle.

[–]watersign 1 point2 points  (0 children)

DUDE. EXACTLY.

How many lions or bears are fucking friends with female lions or bears?? yeah..none!

[–]HighFlyPheonix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Half of this post was hyperbole. The meat of the post was good, didn't need to embellished with minor details that may or may not have happened.

[–]mrcs84usn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is what happens when men are "open minded" and "nonjudgmental" in their relationships. The women in their lives have no compunctions about exploiting it, and the relationships fail. Then it gets turned on him because he was apparently the bad guy.

[–]Tofitrightin 5 points5 points [recovered]

If I may interject, I've been a swinger with my wife for about 12 years now, and it fits nicely into AWALT if you use it right. I'm sure the going idea is like the above loser who wasn't pleasing her man to start with, those people fail in swinging.

I on the other hand brought it up to my wife because I wanted to have sex with other women. She and I were "perfect" but we did get married and I felt I needed more women. Either I could cheat, and eventually have issues, or make her a partner in crime.

Over the course of the last 10 year or so, we've had many other sexual partners and are still perfectly happy together. She's bi so my "number" is a lot higher than hers (in my world girl-girl doesn't count), but sex is just sex, its biological and its not what a relationship is about after the initial tingles are gone.

I'm sure some of you, especially younger are thinking "how can you let another man rail your woman!"

Why care? I've had kids with her (yes mine thank you), been there done that, and do I think some superstud is going to take her away? Hell no, if I can't do her better after the years we've been together than I don't deserve to call myself a man.

So basically shes gets AWALT without the guilt or risk, I get mine, we are perfectly happy together, and get to share an occasional woman between us too. My SMV is huge, I alternate between the 1-2% financially, I'm in great shape (in part because to attract younger woman just for sex, I have to be, wealth doesn't help as much there), and I'm mostly easy to get along with. She'd be an idiot to leave me since she gets her cake and has it to, so she stays tingly for me despite being able to get laid by other guys occasionally.

Now before people downvote this to hell (and I'm expecting it), the advice in this forum is almost always "don't get married", and of course AWALT. Well that means your plates are fucking other people too does it? You are not special, they are not special.

I get to have all the advantages socially of being married, with the advantages of being single, and since I get final say if we play with a couple or not we don't have the issues of open marriage which are doomed to get screwed by emotional connections sooner or later.

I was going to post this with an alt since a lot of people have a hard time grasping being single, but I've been perfectly happy in this relationship for years now and I am in charge of it, not her. There is a saying that "women lead in swinging" and thats mostly BS. There are couples where that happens, every one I know like that eventually broke up. The women tend to be the more forward, especially since most are bi, but the men control who and when.

[–]Ochreata 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Good post. I was hoping to see some rational discourse from the other side.

Some tend to view things in a much too black and white way. Any dalliance with another male is cuckoldry and we shouldn't marry because AWALT...

Yet swinging with a strong male lead is a totally different thing, the loss of respect from the female (as expected by many) is not present. I actually found my wife getting jealous of me giving other women orgasms, a net increase in dread. The nonchalant attitude to her having sex also increases dread whilst, as you mentioned, she satisfies AWALT without guilt or risk in an environment controlled by you.

All of the relationships I have seen in swinger couples with an Alpha (lead) male have been long lasting, stable and happy. I think the Alpha/Beta duality of the female imperative has been pretty much satisfied. The female sees her man with other women and that he controls how and with whom she gets to have sex with, Alpha. She also sees that he is not running off butt-hurt or nexting her after she has sex. This satisfies her security (Beta) needs.

It's certainly a contentious topic for TRP. But rather than follow the orthodoxy, as an alpha I'll do what the fuck I want!

[–]BlueChilli 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sure, you can do what you want. You are approaching from a perspective of power. You are in charge. The pathetic sap in the story clearly wasn't.

It's an important distinction to make. A former friend went down this route, but he wasn't in charge and, predictably, it ended badly for him.

I certainly find the idea of swinging interesting. When I reach that point of strength and abundance, I would give it a try.

[–]1sardinemanR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if he's beta, he's just about to enter his peak SMV years while she's hitting the wall.

The best thing that could happen to him is a clean break, unfortunately his financial resources will likely go to her thanks to the government.

If he gets himself in shape within the next year or two he would be ballin after that. Probably though he won't take the red pill and won't take advantage of that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good post. If this guy doesn't question what he is doing after this, I'm not sure anything will.

It took a whole hell of a lot less for me to find the red pill. Pretty brutal.

[–]CuddleMyNeckbeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the price you pay for being so disgustingly beta. Which guy in his right mind lets another dude bang his girl?

[–]Jokoran 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"she still doesn't think she loves me anymore but wants to come back to our life together and “see” if those feelings come back."

I feel really sorry for him if he accepts this. He really doesn't think he can do any better.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is that dude a troll ?! Gotta be a troll ?! For the love of god i hope the story's not real. Realizing that there could be poor chumps like that scares the shit oout of me. The level of control these women have other them is incredible! If he's not a troll, then he 's like a shell that can't think for himself. In other words he's lack of rational thinking is frightening. He sounds too childish, almost like a person lost in the woods. He does not know what to do and what or how to think.

[–]nastymutant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like other posters have said - it's not even sad, it's just so fucking tawdry and cruddy. How limp must you be to think someone poling your wife is just a problem you guys need to repair? Dear oh dear oh dear oh dear

[–]Vovamas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, kudos to "Chad". People like him are really doing God's work. The more pathetic little schmucks like OOP get tricked into "spicing things up in the bedroom" (read: give consent to their wives to go fuck more masculine and alpha guys), the more discontent will arise among those sad betas when they realize their wives won't give them a time of a day anymore, because they just voluntarily let their SMV hit the absolute low. Even worse, those hoes get tingles by letting some macho fuck her in every orifice when their hubbies have to wait till Thanksgiving to just get a blowjob. And then maybe some of those manlets will wind up here.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Threesomes (MFF) or gangbangs (MFM)? My guess is his kinks were something mild like a little bondage, while her's were gangbangs, and she hamstered in her mind that since they were exploring each other's kinks that the two are somehow equivalent and therefore hubby should allow her to fuck other men.

I've seen this before. He was saying LET'S TRY KINK in order to try to find a way to get some from his own wife.

[–]hamstercide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These kinds of stories just make me sad now. I've been reading this sub for over a year now and this just jades me more and chips away at my faith in humanity. It's like a roadside accident I can't avoid looking at.

[–]Supracats 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Want to keep the piece? You married HER! Not twelve other fucking people. them out of your bed idiot.

[–]thegr8b8m8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I saw this post on my front page this morning I was hoping to see a good breakdown of this beta behavior on TRP.

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[–]Jaghiro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[–]idonthaveacoolname13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love TRP. You guys keep it up! Being right is hard and nobody wants to hear the truth, everybody just wants a scape goat. Can't have your cake and eat it too and then expect not to be fat and for Sheila not to schedule fuck sessions with Chad. Just sayin.

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