Field ReportTRP just kept me from losing out on $2100... (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by mrmeyhemn

TL;DR woman tries to disregard order she made because she doesn't "feel" like she should have to pay for it (she still has some product left in stock)

Body: a month ago a customer of mine ordered $2100 worth of product, I called her 3 weeks later to tell her that the order was prepared and that I would be delivering it to her this week. Her reply: "well, I still have a few from the last order, so I don't need them right now." I've been listening to "no more mr. nice guy" audiobook and I dislike conflict, it frequently keeps me from getting what I want. usually when this sort of thing happens to me I accept it and go on a mad sales run to my other clients to make up the cash. this time I held firm, with a clear stern voice I told her that she had placed an order, it was complete, and that I would be there soon to get the check and deliver her product. she agreed to cut the check because "I did order them, I will make good on my end of the bargain." I thanked her and sold her another $500 worth of product.

Lesson Learned: Being firm and assertive gets shit done. Thanks for the help TRP, all this info is helping me grow.

[–]TheDialecticParadox 198 points199 points  (26 children)

Nice man. Being firm and authoritative without stirring conflict can be difficult to master, but It seems you're past that. It's always refreshing to see TRP posts that don't revolve around women or game.

[–]SinisterSwindler 66 points67 points  (14 children)

I've been lurking a while and since the new wave of angry unpluggers you rarely see posts on finance, or life skills, other situations that don't involve women anymore.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 97 points98 points  (2 children)

The newer the guy the more fucks he gives about women.

[–]mrmeyhemn[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

i was giving fucks until i got through nmmng and started going through the rational male (recently even, like a couple of weeks ago things started to really make sense). 0 fucks given at this point, they need me more than I need them. men are more fun to chill with, 0 drama, 0 sexual tension, all fun all the time (for the most part).

im older, have had more of my share of failed relationships, always had rp thoughts/ideologies but could never articulate them. applying trp strategy to my business life just seemed to make sense. things are looking up in my business, maybe one day I will start dating again but for now I give no fucks about women and focus on me.

[–]SinisterSwindler 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Amen. I'm about to enter monk mode for a good year, spending time building my career, focusing on me, gaining skills and most importanly lifting with the iron gods. Thanks to trp I no longer seek validation from anyone but myself, I care less, I complain less and accept things as they are and find solutions. If I may ask, could you recommend tips and reading for helping implement trp to my financial/business situations? I would be most grateful.

[–]TheDialecticParadox 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Yeah. I joined during that wave, but I often do searches and go looking for older content specific to what I want to know. The older content is definitely focused more on improving the self, for yourself. I wish it would change back.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

It will very likely go back to it soon enough.

Either these new fellows will get through the bulk of the anger and depression phases or the moderation will plug their sobbing cunts so people with more important shit say have the floor.

Our moderation is a little more than firm and assertive here it's despotic yet fair; no subversion, all related topics to the health of the Sub and it's members.

[–]TheDialecticParadox 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah it could always be worse.

I lurked for about 2 weeks before I started posting (been here a month) and it annoys me when newbies who have just swallowed the pill are filling up TRP with their hate.

People need to meditate more, calm down and realize no-one gives a shit about your opinion, unless it's constructive and can help others improve themselves.

[–]zigg-_-zagg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lurker here .The most ignorant fact is that they are not reading the recommended books on the side bar - book of pook , rational male ,NMMNG , WISNIFG , way of superior man , Models ,etc. If they did read it they would have lesser doubts and not be "angry" .

[–]UGoBoom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then be the change you want to see. Start some discussions like OP did. Else, you'd just be concern trolling.

[–]exuals 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Obligatory 'wish there was a TRP for finances'

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TRP is for finances. Posts on it show up fairly regularly. Since TRP advocates self-reliance, the burden falls to you to take the lessons here and adapt them in a financial context if someone hasnt provided the easy answer already.

Of course, if you like seeing finance posts, upvote them so they rise to the top. I know I do.

[–]vacationlife- -1 points0 points  (1 child)

rarely see posts on finance, or life skills, other situations that don't involve women anymore.

because if you post anything like that, even advice in a thread, people will downvote and tell you how it's a subforum for sexual strategy only

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've literally never seen that. All I see on financial posts is a billion guys going " I WISH THERE WERE MORE FINANCE POSTS!!!!1!11"

[–]laughkisskill 13 points14 points  (9 children)

I recommend anyone do sales at some point in their lives, preferably commission based, and do it for at least six months.

You will learn that skill and it serves you a lifetime.

[–]Diabolical_Nuke 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"No matter what you do in life, selling is part of it"

-Arnold Schwarzenegger

[–]hitpop 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Dude I heard this term somewhere.. "Sales is King" and I saw this article on why you should do sales. I really want to do Sales, for 1 year, just to try it out.. I think it's something that really builds character. Do you know how I can get started? and do you know about the term sales is king? thanks man

[–]laughkisskill 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Start any retail position you can get that is commission based. I worked as sears automotive for 8 to 10 months on commission, not because it's a good place to work, not because I needed it.

Only to master person to person sales. Once I was top commission month to month, I left.

I've always been "good" At sales, but learning how to sell, how to guide decisions more than push, how to maintain control of the interaction regardless of who is coming in the door, that ten months taught me a lot.

You're always only selling yourself.

As far as "sales is king" I've heard that often, but don't know it's origin. I'd guess there's a solid one, but it's true regardless.

[–]hitpop 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I will quit my job right now and work for you.

[–]laughkisskill 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Haha flattered. Thx for the complement.

[–]hitpop 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No problem man. BTW just a random question, not to do with Sales. I believe in karma. what are your thoughts?

[–]laughkisskill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't believe in karma. I do believe adding value to everything you do is key, "improve your inputs to in turn improve your outputs". I don't believe we live in isolated bubbles,though I do believe in guarding your effort. "recognize things/people detracting from your effort and value, and discard them"

Other than that I don't feel I can help.

There's a lot of endorsed and veteran contributes floating around here, much better people to ask than me! I'd post it to asktrp and see what you get. Nmmg and laws of power have great rules for how give and take socially function. I'd at the least start there.

Uhm... Also check metalageddon, he won't be online until the 15th at the earliest, "I'm actually using his phone while he's finishing his monk month" but he's a good friend and my boss, you can find his posts under gold, he covers selfish charity in one of them. He's a workaholic though, may not be your flavor. Consensus seemed to be good though.

[–]hitpop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great thanks a lot for all the help, appreciate it a lot! See you around sometime.

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

IMO the key to being firm and authoritative without starting (unnecessary) conflict is BE DAMN SURE that you're being reasonable. If you are not being reasonable, you come across as controlling or just petulant.

The flip side is don't avoid conflict if that's what needs to be done.

[–]abdada 148 points149 points  (34 children)

Excellent post and fresh insight.

One of my retail businesses is close to 90% women. All are educated, all have money.

The shit they pull on trying to change orders or cancel them is astounding. I always tell them "If you attempt to modify our agreement, you will find yourself banned from using my services forever. Do not assume you are in any bargaining position just because you have money to spend."

I set a very high barrier to entry to working with me -- I turn down 2 out of 3 inquiring customers because I don't like their attitudes. So the women know up front that not only do I value myself, but so do others. I'm well known for being a complete dick to customers who think they're entitled to anything more than the most basic facts of the agreement.

When I deal with guys, TRP matters, too. Stand as the AMOG -- cash is readily available, but there is only one of you.

And taking shit from little snowflakes isn't in my skill set.

[–]1independentmale 73 points74 points  (1 child)

The shit they pull on trying to change orders or cancel them is astounding.

It's because society has fully conditioned them that this type of behavior is acceptable. There are so many people worshipping the ground these princesses walk upon they think they can get away with anything. Sadly, in so many cases they absolutely can. There will always be another white knight ready to fall on his sword for her.

I once had a girl show up to speak with me about a problem with something she bought. She had to escalate to the owner of the company because my people rightfully wouldn't help her. There was nothing actually wrong with the item, her basic complaint was that she just didn't like how much she'd paid and wanted a discount. Except she'd already used the entire thing up. Now I'm not in food service but imagine dining at a high end steakhouse, eating your plate clean, then deciding, nah, wasn't worth $60, how about I give you $40 instead?

This bitch was maybe a 7 but it was clear she thought of herself as a hard 9. She whined and whimpered a bit, then gave some pouty fuck-me eyes. I declined to issue the refund, she threw a little tantrum and stormed out. I thankfully never saw her in my establishment again. However, later that week I was telling this story to one of my buddies who owns a place down the street and I shit you not, homegirl had recently hit him up in similar fashion and got a few bucks out of him!!

A woman, especially a decent looking one, will play a man like a fiddle. Don't be a musical instrument for some siren's amusement.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 9 points10 points  (12 children)

Ugh! I call it the Nordstrom Effect. Once somebody has been given a ridiculous refund or unreasonable discount or concession just for being a little bitch (men included), it's like retail heroin- they'll never find satisfaction in a "normal" transaction again, and will evermore have their personal bar set to an unrealistic level everywhere they do business.

Nordstrom once gave someone a refund for a set of snow tires that they were unhappy with, and they don't even SELL tires. Business gurus (most of whom I doubt have ever occupied a customer-facing position) hold this up as exemplary customer service.

Don't even get me started on spineless managers who cave to every stupid demand just to get the person out of the store, thus having them gloat to the front-line employee who was doing their job by upholding company policies and procedures.

I don't even play the "Mark it up 50% extra and let them talk you down 25%" game with my middle eastern and asian clients. That may be the culture back home, but it is not here, and is in fact RUDE. They quickly learn that I'm actually giving them the "best price" upfront and many come to respect this quickly.

[–]abdada 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I know Nordstrom (the son) personally and have actually consulted once with them (they ended up taking my advice and releasing a financial product which worked quite well). Nordstrom has the financial capacity to do odd things for the customer. The average small business does not.

I tell my customers, warn them even: I am not CostCo. My name is not J.P. Morgan.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Nordstrom has the financial capacity to do odd things for the occasional customer. FTFY

Even Nordstrom himself knows that these are exceptional cases, and his wealth could quickly be given away according to how unreasonably demanding people are allowed to become in his stores.

Sure, this has publicity value for him,, but it makes life hell for millions of retail workers and small businesses, not to mention it's a big F.U. to all of the GOOD, REASONABLE customers of the world.

Customer-zillas grow and thrive when they are rewarded for their unreasonableness. Firm fairness reinforces reasonable behavior.

[–]druganswer 4 points4 points [recovered]

I assure you Nordstrom knows what they're doing... the snow tire thing is a ridiculous case but their absolutely no rules return policy nets them a LOT more than it loses... because the people who are making these returns blow SO much money on other product... when you're selling womens shirts for $300 on the reg. you can easily absorb some return costs... especially when most of the returns can just be resold later... 99.99% aren't anywhere near the snow tires case... the customer satisfaction gain they get in their ultra wealthy clients is well worth the hit they (probably don't even) take on their return policy.

Obviously his post above illustrates that that is just not possible for some businesses... the markup on luxury retail clothing is probably quite substantial.

EDIT: 75% of the "Nordstrom Returns" are most likely a customer who bought 10 pairs of boots in a day and didn't even wear one pair until 6 months later... they then decided to put them on and "didn't like them anymore." and feel so delighted that Nordstrom still lets them return them this late.... so they go return this pair and Nordstrom is like "no prob, here let me grab a few I think you WILL like" and the same lady who just bought 10 boots and returned 1 ends up buying 4 more because the return brought her back to the store. Obviously slight exaggeration for MOST people but you get the idea... these are the people Nordstrom wants to please.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thanks for going into detail about this. It is true that WITHIN certain parameters, a generous refund policy CAN increase overall sales and customer loyalty.

I was concentrating on the fact that it also causes collateral damage in the marketplace, mostly borne by OTHER than the Nordstroms of the world. "Retail Alpha Widow" is definitely a thing.

Like /u/abdaba, I'm in a position to pick and choose my clients, and thus often cock-block entitlement whores in their tracks.

[–]TytalusWarden 7 points7 points [recovered]

Ugh! I call it the Nordstrom Effect. Once somebody has been given a ridiculous refund or unreasonable discount or concession just for being a little bitch (men included), it's like retail heroin- they'll never find satisfaction in a "normal" transaction again, and will evermore have their personal bar set to an unrealistic level everywhere they do business.

I do this quite frequently, but not because I'm addicted to it; rather, I prefer to see if I can stretch the bounds and benefit myself in the process.

Outside of western culture negotiation and haggling are par for the course. You miss 100% of the discounts you fail to ask about, so on larger purchases I always ask if there's a cheaper price available, or if they offer bundle savings, or tell them I'm going to wait a week to shop around... pretty much anything that says, "I have money, you have product, but I'm pretty sure someone else has what I want cheaper so start talking or I'm walking." It might not work every time, but I still save money every month by asking.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 6 points7 points  (5 children)

There's a big difference between negotiating a win-win deal (discount for a large and uncomplicated transaction for example) and demanding a discount just because special snowflake, and behaving like a shit when you don't get it.

[–]TytalusWarden 3 points3 points [recovered]

Meh, sometimes I blur the lines a bit. I don't make any excuses, I just ask if there's a discount and see. If I get yelled at by some schmuck behind the counter I take my business elsewhere. If they tell me no, or actually try to be salespeople about it and offer me alternatives that might save me money while benefiting us both, then heck yeah I'm shopping there! I like motivated sales people, even if they aren't on commission.

[–]sgtbig21 4 points4 points [recovered]

You ask up front before you buy. She asked after she bought and had a non returnable product. Major difference.

[–]TytalusWarden 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm not sure why you wrote this--my example and your example are entirely different, where I'm showing the right way to do things and she was an idiot.

[–]rpscrote 3 points4 points  (0 children)

he's just elaborating on your point dude. Not everything is a competitive argument here.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cool, that's doing it right.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Ah man tell what this wonderful job is where I don't have to kiss the customer's ass or get fired.

[–]GeneralDogsbody 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The rules are different when you work for yourself and you have a product or service that people think they need/want.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You'd be shocked how many people get in line when you interrupt their pattern. Telling someone you don't want their money COMPLETELY flips the script, and they have to wonder what they're doing to deserve someone not wanting to take their money, which never happens.

I also use social proof of how out of line they're behaving compared to my average customer, but some give a shit about that, some don't.

[–]Palpetinus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

People can be dicks to companies because of competition. If you don't bend over, the next one will.

[–]abdada 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's why you need to provide a good or service that isn't easily replaceable.

[–]validstatement 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jeez, what line of work are you in that allows you to turn away clientele like that? Sounds high paying and exclusive.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

may I ask what business you are in? What are you selling to these women?

[–]jd_coud9 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He makes soap out of their ass fat and sells it back to them at markup.

[–]abdada 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I own multiple businesses both online and retail, as well as a few consulting companies.

My business that focuses most on women is a fashion brand consulting shop where I help fashion startups create a profitable line.

90% women.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

What precentage of your consultancy clients become successful in their endeavours?

[–]abdada 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Quite a few. One customer actually opened his own boutique for his garment line in Water Tower Place on Michigan Avenue.

I would guess at least 5% end up sustaining a full time income. More than 80% who come in aren't in a place to start a retail business so I generally recommend they stick to a small online presence and just focus on reselling through boutiques they sell to.

[–]Redpillthriller 26 points27 points  (7 children)

I've saved myself thousands since I adopted a red pill mentality and started watching shows like hardcore pawn. The amount stores and private sellers are willing to undercut is insane.

It's the same primary basics as a relationship. Set your limit and be willing to walk.

[–]malariasucks 8 points9 points  (6 children)

I really don't find basic negotiation skills to be TRP material. After living in Asia, it really is a way of life.

[–]1RXRob 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I'm a born and raised Englishman, bartering is definitely a learned skill

[–]reddumpling 6 points7 points  (3 children)

It really is that way in Asia. Even I sometimes couldn't believe how much I can bargain.

[–]malariasucks 1 point2 points  (2 children)

ya and sometimes it's fun and sometimes it's just annoying. I took a day trip to HK yesterday and was so annoyed with the sellers that I just walked away. they had some major attitude and i didnt need the stuff anyways

[–]reddumpling 0 points1 point  (1 child)

From what I hear from my friends, when haggling in HK and China, you state your price, they turn it down, you have to be able to wak away immediately. They will pander to you when that happens.

[–]malariasucks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ya that's normal. it's the HK people sometimes are just not even pleasant in any way, shape or form. When they are like that, I don't even bother anymore. It can be fun while negotiating but when someone is an ass right out the gate, I usually don't stick around unless I really want something

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the development of any skill which betters you is TRP

[–]draketton 22 points23 points  (12 children)

with a clear stern voice I told her that she had placed an order, it was complete, and that I would be there soon to get the check and deliver her product.

You do this, woman says "whatever" and hangs up and doesn't answer any of your followup calls. What do you do next?

[–]draketton 16 points17 points  (6 children)

this thread doesn't pass the sniff test

she agreed to cut the check because "I did order them, I will make good on my end of the bargain."

yeah fucking right

[–]Endorsed Contributortepper2 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Most industries are smaller than you think. Putting in a PO and then not paying or taking delivery can destroy your reputation.

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

can pretty easily tell who here doesnt ever deal with selling stuff B2B

[–]The_Floating_Dick 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I will make good on my end of the bargain

Maybe she watches westerns too much.

[–]mrmeyhemn[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

shit you not, thats what she said. this happened in south Texas so western talk still goes down.

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lawyers very typically talk like this, and sometimes their clients do too after hearing it enough

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You do this, woman says "whatever" and hangs up and doesn't answer any of your followup calls. What do you do next?

That can happen. So what? You can't win 'em all, but you can fucking try.

In reality, you've got a contract and you're showing up in person. Women hate conflict (much of the conflict they creates is actually short term stupid conflict avoidance). You can also tell from her attitude that it was bluff rather than a hard limit.

[–]mrmeyhemn[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i sell my product to another buyer. it wasn't about "oneitis" with this particular business, it was about not letting myself be the "nice guy", avoiding conflict, and having to work harder to get my needs met. it was about putting my foot down and insisting that the buyer live up to our overt contract and not shuffling away with my head down, harboring resentment for the owner, and feeling sorry for myself for not having my needs met.

there is 0 shortage of stores that will buy my products, my industry is growing by leaps and bounds and there is a large market that is growing daily.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is pretty rare. I'm not in sales but I did work as a customer service rep for a cabin rental company. People tried getting refunds for shit all the time. Being firm and laying the line down clearly will almost frighten them, because most people don't expect a customer service rep to bite back just a little bit. There's a good bit of leeway between a tiny amount of edge and getting yourself fired.

Then, if you're the manager and do the same, they literally shut the fuck up every time.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 32 points33 points  (5 children)

Fuck You Pay Me is an internet classic

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

lol when I saw the name I thought it was a segment from goodfellas

[–]Dr_Red_97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was just about to post this myself, haha.

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fantastic video. Spot on the money

[–]4benny2lava0 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Nothing makes me red pill like someone fucking with my money. Always stand your ground and aim high.

[–]amazing_h 2 points2 points [recovered]

[–]4benny2lava0 0 points1 point  (2 children)

He didnt go upside a bitches head

[–]aazav -4 points-3 points  (1 child)


bitch's* head

bitches = more than one bitch or a verb meaning to bitch

[–]4benny2lava0 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sorry I'm on a phone. I didn't realize this was the red grammar nazi

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

When did "the customer is always right" become such a stupid mantra? When did managers stop backing up their employees, and start siding with the idiots?

In my experience with retail, managers will do just about anything to get a complaining customer out of a store, no matter how silly the complaint, except throw them out on their ass and tell them their business isn't worth it.

[–]cdtCPTret 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's that. And personal responsibility is very honorable. But if I was about to buy $2100 worth of supplies I wouldn't need for a few months, I'd at least ask if I could postpone/cancel. I think the difference is that OP assumes that the woman had a right to it because she is a woman and probably felt entitled to the back door to every contract and agreement. Business practices are frequently cutthroat despite gender. The goal is to make a lot of money legally. Ideally you do that by building solid relationships on trust and exchange of goods with full knowledge of value, but that's rarely the case.

It's good to Stand up for yourself as OP did. For me this would have been less a TRP moment and more a "I don't have time to recoup the losses, my schedule is full."

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"the customer is always right"

The customer is usually wrong, and an asshole

[–]baroja 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Protip: Women always expect a discount. Over-quote them by 50% and give them a 25-30% discount when they come in for the product/service. They feel like they got one over on you and you have a lifelong customer.

[–]mrmeyhemn[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i did exactly this when i priced this particular product. it gave me bargaining room and a bonus when sales go conflict free.

[–]zigg-_-zagg 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Solid advice . This is the only way to outsmart them . I recall reading something similar in the R.G book 48 laws of power . Though it does no overtly state about pricing strategies .

[–]baroja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same thing with middle eastern and indian men, just makes life easier and everyone happy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I do a lot of haggling in my hobby business and I find women to be the least likely to haggle. I think it intimidates them.

[–]baroja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I work in a service business where my average invoice is $3.5k. They typically come in, bitch, moan, it's so expensive, etc, "I'm so sorry miss, here's a discount for your inconvenience." They walk out with a huge smirk, I see the addition in my commission, win-win.

[–]rundownweather 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Put. That coffee. Down. Coffee's for closers only."

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good on you! That book is a must read for any new redpillers looking improve themselves. I'm still learning and using the techniques from it.

[–]1FrogTrainer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I run a side business and it amazes me how many people will try to ask for a discount or ask to delay payment AFTER you deliver what they asked for.

I'm talking orders that take 90-180 days to complete, and I gave them a written proposal up front that they accepted.

[–]NightGod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ties into one of my favorite quotes: "It's difficult to be a gentleman if you avoid conflict." It's a good one to remind you that, when you are sure you are in the right, you can't let someone else drag you into their frame and convince you that you are wrong.

[–]DoNotEatTheTail 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this post is an excellent example of how TRP provides insight into sexual dynamics beyond game and sex itself. To me, these are the most interesting and useful posts on TRP.

[–]Chrience 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's sad that in this modern society, the fundamental skill of being assertive is so rare in men. Without it, they can't navigate through the most basic kinds of conversation and relationships, and thus get fucked over repeatedly. But of course, men's feelings about this don't matter at all, as long as they're primed into becoming the BB of some mentally scarred post wall slag. A timid man can't say no to the slags unreasonable requests, he'll buy her whatever she wants and expect nothing in return and he'll spend the majority of his life at a shitty job to fund for her expensive shoe shopping. Isn't the average woman such an angel!/s

[–]tripwire1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is anyone else pretending OP is a drug dealer while reading this?

[–]DogInTheBath 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I own a small business and from time to time I get somebody trying to grind down my hourly rate or my invoice.

When you stand up for yourself, it shows you believe in yourself, your product or your service. When clients see that, they are not just paying you, they are investing in you. They start to think "there must be a reason that he values this as much as he does". More often than not, they concede. And the ones that don't are not the ones you want to do business with anyways.

This also applies to dealing with women.

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[–]1cover20 6 points7 points  (5 children)

You've never actually lived in Asia have you? It's more self centered than here.

[–]BarServer 2 points2 points [recovered]

And from what little I know about Japan, China, etc. you have way more personal freedom in western countries as the pressure by the society how you should behave, etc. isn't that strong.
Of course, this can lead to "swinging sticks and stones" like you described above. But than again, that's the personal responsibility of each person. And I don't like trading in my freedom just for other people being less shitty. I prefer to learn how to deal with them and keep my freedom.

[–]Limekill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Every culture has good and bad, it all depends on what your looking for.

[–]1Jaereth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think he made the mistake of assuming all Asian cultures are like Japan, which is by far an outlier when it comes to cultures you will find in Asia as a whole.

[–]drumstyx 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'd be incredibly surprised for any company to cancel an order without penalty. Then again, cancellation policies are usually made clear on ordering.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well I know as an end consumer if you return something that isn't defective (sometimes even if it is) many places charge a 15% restocking fee.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Can't believe she just accepted it and not object. Was this meant to be a test or something?

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I ask for shit all the time in negotiations just to see if i'll get it. Many times people just roll over and give it to me without hesitation.

[–]mrmeyhemn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

considering she knows I'm a "nice guy" i suspect so. i think it was a shit test to see if i was worthy of continuing our "business relationship".

[–]Snapback155 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nice job giving no fucks bro

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nice dude that's how you get shit done.

[–]banned_1_time -4 points-4 points [recovered]

shit post op. you don't accept returns? wtf kind of shitty business are you running?

[–]mrmeyhemn[S] 6 points7 points  (8 children)

i run a business that holds people to their agreements.

[–]banned_1_time 1 points1 points [recovered]

and then they never make another agreement with you again because you're a rigid asshole and they guy down the street understands customer service

[–]Trail_of_Jeers -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Wah wah wah

Good thing babies don't have money.

[–]banned_1_time 1 points1 points [recovered]

that doesn't really make any sense

[–]Trail_of_Jeers -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Oh, man, I hate it when I accidentally make fun of retards.

You used a keyboard! Go you!

[–]banned_1_time 0 points0 points [recovered]

Are you implying I don't have money? that was the original insult? meanwhile I gross over $10k/month and have $300k saved while you're trying to fix a 1999 mercury with your last few dollars. http://i.imgur.com/ElSXt6Z.png

bro, please

[–]Trail_of_Jeers 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lol. Wow, dumb and childish.

For a guy who makes $10k a month, you sure are a little bitch. Stalking li'l 'ol' me because you didn't get the joke.

Lesson Learned: All the money in the world won't turn you from a blue bill beta bitch.

[–]Trail_of_Jeers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And bitch please, I sold that fucker and got a new car. Because, unlike little bitches, I fix problems.

But hey, $300k can change a lot of diapers.