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Guy won't commit to his plate, she gets upset and accuses him of being a misogynist. Guess who r/relationship sides with. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Summary: Dude has been banging his female friend for months. After trying several times to get him to "emotionally commit" and realizing he won't do it, she (and her mother) throw a tantrum. R/relationship gleefully joins in to bash on OP and call him a shitlord.


Feminism hates men and wants to control them for the benefit of women. In case anyone here still doesn't believe that, let me clear it up for you right now. Enter yesterday's shitfest on r/relationships, otherwise known as one of the many propaganda arms of the feminist agenda. Here we see an OP asking about his FWB situation. Basically he has been fucking this girl real good for the last several months, and his posts under the main thread indicate that she has repeatedly tried to demonstrate her "love" for him but he doesn't really see her as more than a friend with benefits. Fair enough, right?

Not according to the White Knight Commission of reddit, which swiftly came down on OP for not pedestalizing the girl.

The truth is that "casual" sex that is treated as so casual that no communication on feelings ever happens does not exist. Whether you like it or not, you are in a relationship. And as such, your first responsibility it to her, not her mother, and so she needs to know that the conversation happened, and you need to really, REALLY make sure that she isn't harboring feelings still... which, simply because she is human, not because she is a girl, she very well may be.

If you are fucking a chick, you are automatically in a relationship responsible for her feelings because she doesn't have the agency to decide things for herself. That's seriously how these people think. This is the highest voted comment in the thread.

But now that you know the truth, you would not be actively hurting her by continuing to sleep with her. I'm not saying you should have been able to read her mind but it seems insensitive for you not to realize that it could be a possibility considering she wanted an exclusive relationship with you.

Adhering to her wishes (since SHE'S the one who comes over every night and spreads her legs) is now hurtful and misogynistic.

Uhhh, no. Don't hide behind semantics. You KNOW that she has feelings for you. And you CONTINUED to use her as a bed-warmer. KNOWING how she felt. Of course she wanted you back. Because she caught a bad case of feelings. IF you are a good man, you will end it. Because you don't want to lead her on. Which is EXACTLY what you are doing.

Ah, and the classic man-shaming. If he wants to be a "good man", he'll put on his shiny white helmet and ride into battle to save the fair maiden. (By the way, aren't these commenters the same people who claim that anyone can be a man, that gender roles are stupid, etc?)

Like the other gal said, 20 year old me would have thought you would develop feelings as well. Actually, 20 year old me did think a guy would develop feelings for me. So I told him I wanted to stop sleeping together because I had feeling s for him. He asked me to come visit him out of state because he had no friends and he really needed a friend. We played house for a weekend, and we wound up sleeping together and I thought "this is it. He's going to change his mind." Guess what? He didn't. Just like you wont. She's probably thinking the exact same things as I was. You might not realize it, but you're leading her on in her mind. You should have stopped sleeping with her when she said she had feelings for you. If you really didn't know that wasn't a good idea, I guess that's an excuse. But now you know that it's a bad idea from all these other people telling you what's up. If you keep doing it, you value sex over her feelings. And that makes you a butthole.

"I degraded myself to an alpha, and this girl is doing the same, and I can relate to her feeling bad, and that makes you at fault!" Women's logic 101.


TL;DR: This is the effect of feminism on society. It removes agency from women and makes men responsible for their feel-feels. This shit is why we need The Red Pill.


[–][deleted] 508 points509 points  (87 children)

Funny thing is, if it was the other way around, a male FWB developed feelings for the women op, they'd give some shit about how he broke the unwritten contract of no strings attached.

[–]1FrogTrainer 330 points331 points  (22 children)

I'm sure the word entitled would get thrown around a lot.

[–][deleted] 192 points193 points  (14 children)

You're not entitled to her commitment you shitlord misogynistic penis owner!!!! RAPE RAPE YOU'RE A RAPIST

[–]apply_truth 43 points44 points  (11 children)

Someone should write a post same situation, and once the comments build up say oops switch the gender, and see if they keep the comments the same

[–]christophwallura 18 points19 points  (8 children)

switch the gender

It's not exactly what you asked for, but here's the same thread with reversed genders (via genderswapper):

https://archive.is/Vy7f8

[–]ASAP_Bickle 31 points32 points  (5 children)

First off, adults are responsible for themselves, so just at face value you can't make decisions on Karl's behalf

This is the top comment. Feminist logic: Karl's a big boy, just because he has feels doesn't mean you have to change anything. But original OP not dropping everything and committing to Claire is misogynistic.

You can't make this stuff up.

[–]needmorefat 6 points7 points  (1 child)

First off, adults are responsible for themselves, so just at face value you can't make decisions on Claire's behalf

You realize that you and the 15 hamsters upvoting you read the exact same comment and interpreted it in the precisely opposite direction just because it said Karl and not Claire, right? The genders are swapped with a script.

Confirmation-bias much?

[–]Tom_The_Human 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Stop opposing the circle jerk!

[–]Super-Saiyajin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The hamster is working overtime!

[–]alfred_e_nooman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Holy hamster, Batman.

Did you not read christophwallura's comment about using genderswapper on OP's article?

Regardless of how many times the board posts articles criticizing women, RP is not about men vs. women, it's about the pursuit of truth and objectivity.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You should probably remove your picture and identification from there.

There's no point in being identified.

[–]christophwallura 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's no point in being identified.

I'm afaik legally obliged to add an impressum and even without one I could be easily identified by checking my domain over whois, with all these information it wouldn't be hard to find a profile picture of me anyway.

[–]snobocracy 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Oh shit. I just realised the feminist "logic" actually could call this rape.

  1. You have a friends with benefits situation.
  2. You develop feelings. The girl doesnt.
  3. You continue having sex.

Bam. You just had sex with someone who thought you had no feelings, and might not have had sex with you had you said you had feelings for them.
That's "rape by deception".

Welcome to the feminist wonderland!

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 31 points32 points  (6 children)

jeezus, can they even see any of their own flaws? Do they even have manners where they come from?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 46 points47 points  (4 children)

No. Feminist Critical Theory is about attacking men and male institutions like Gaming. Feminist critical theory never offers solutions nor is it capable of critically examining anything else.

[–]Transmigratory 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Indeed.

"Teach men not to rape"... silent when "rape" stats go down after women are taught to say no.

[–]_the_shape_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What do you mean it "never offers solutions"?

Man - "May I look in your direction?"

Womyn - "You may..."

Man - "May I continue to engage in conversation with you?"

Womyn - "You may..."

Man - "May I get close enough to kiss you?"

Womyn - "You know, this is really hot and all, but I think we're moving really fast here. Let's take this a bit slower and see where it leads..."

friendzoned

Enter brazen, non permission-seeking Chad...

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'd imagine they rationalize it all.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 200 points201 points  (10 children)

I'll say it again:

Girls in the fuck-zone... why don't they understand that men aren't just machines you put sex into and get a relationship out?

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[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 41 points42 points  (1 child)

The whole man-hating aspect was even introduced 2nd wave

The first wave was all about getting men's rights (without men's responsibilities). Well that happened, and men and women still weren't "equal" at the top where women wanted "equality".

Well let's come with the second wave and reduce women's responsibilities. But, after this, women still aren't "equal" at the top.

So let's fire up the third wave and weigh men down with more responsibilities towards women... perhaps that will fix the "problem" that 50% of the top aren't women.

I'll tell you now: it won't. The reason men are at the top is due to males having larger diversity than women. Simply put, mother nature was too smart to waste reproductive potential on environment testing. The reason more men are at the top is because of those who belong at the top there are far more men than women.

So when the 3rd wave has run it's course (and, honestly, I can't tell when that will be... you can make women's rights equal to men and then it's over, you can remove almost all of women's responsibilities and then it's over, but you can continue to load more and more and more responsibilities on men owed to women), I wonder what the 4th wave of feminism will do in order to once again attempt to have "equality" at the top... and fail again.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This drive for equal at the top is not for equality, this behavior is designed to weed out betas but eventually run into a man who will put her in her place. When no such man exists, or is in meta handcuffs by other men with guns, you get the decline.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 34 points35 points  (2 children)

I guess london-bananas is spot on with that comment:

If you look at some responses it seems like a lot of girls here are re-living their past mistakes through OP and taking it out on him

[–]2Overkillengine 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Yup. A lot of angry Alpha Widows.

How dare he not commit. How dare he.

I mean, empowered women who don't need no man should not have to make good choices in men and also ensure that they themselves are worth committing to. That's just misogyny.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How dare he not commit. How dare he.

It's more "how dare he string her along".

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Great post on his part pointing out the double standard. This guy is a monster, while every time a women makes the same comment (roles reversed) it is applauded.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

wow amazing. a true wonder.

[–]should_ 90 points91 points  (3 children)

A guy who has feelings and comes forward with them and they're not reciprocated?! Ehrmegerd, Nice Guy detected!!1

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yep. Reverse the genders and the comments would be peppered with "entitled", "fedora", "nice guy", and "m'lady"

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 83 points84 points  (8 children)

Funny thing is, if it was the other way around, a male FWB developed feelings for the women op, they'd give some shit about how he broke the unwritten contract of no strings attached.

EXACTLY. And she'd have been dangling her tits in front of him the entire time, trying to get what she could from him before he tried to touch them. Then when he did, she'd be all SHOCKED that he "felt that way."

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 49 points50 points  (7 children)

leading someone on. It's scary how good women are at that.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (3 children)

It's literally the default state for unattractive guys. She "doesn't want to hurt his feelings" so she never actually tells the guy "no". Women get the moral high-ground for leading guys on.

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 11 points12 points  (0 children)

How evil is that. They made something horrible seem not so bad.

Tch! They make it look like the guy shot himself in the leg.

It really serves their purposes to not have any sense of responsibility.

[–]rpreader 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It really is the default. Some of the girls I fooled around with in high school had tons of male orbiters, and when i explained that they were all thirsty for them, they were shocked and wouldn't believe it. They also went to the default "well I don't wanna hurt them and I don't wanna lose their validation and attention friendship."

[–]Windforce 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Just fishing for attention and validation.

[–]Evolved_Red 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I know its hard (pun intended), but please tell me you're no longer susceptible to such female sucker tactics?

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'm getting there. Learning to see the monster behind the makeup takes a bit of practice. Gotta deal with cognitive dissonance and unlearn a lifetime of garbage.

[–]BattleDrillOneAlpha 52 points53 points  (2 children)

It's kind of telling that you have to go to the bottom of the post to find rational (non emotional) posts that actually help OP. You don't even need to reverse the genders; just apply logic to the scenario.

I really like what this person said:

If this was some friendzoned neckbeard instead, would you be telling the girl that it's cruel to be friends with him, since he obviously wants more?

It cuts through all the bull shit arguments that these chicks are throwing at the OP. Most attractive females have guys orbiting them that they know likes them romantically. By giving this standard to OP they have thus created the universal maxim that says "You can't have a relationship (friend or otherwise) with someone if you know they want more".

As Confucius says, "Don't complain about the snow on your neighbor's roof when your own doorstep is unclean"

[–]the99percent1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Whenever I go to those threads, it's like reverse.. I sort by worst comments and start from there.

[–]snakehayter 34 points35 points  (4 children)

When a woman wants commitment, shes "mature". When she doesnt, shes "finding herself".

When a guy wants commitment, hes a piece of shit patriarchal rapist that wants to keep a woman in a cage, or hes a creepy loser(unattractive, low income/status). Then when a guy also doesn't want commitment, hes a misogynistic date rapist who gets off to emotionally abusing women(alpha who wont commit).

[–]Rawrination 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So is the only way to "win" to be an alpha who wants to commit?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You don't "win" that game. The only winning move is not to play.

[–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, be one that is always willing to walk away.

Once you are not willing to do that, you have conceded.

Women don't keep men that do that. (willingly that is- if she is wolf ugly she may not have much choice/upgrades available.)

[–]Chaohinon 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Indeed, woe be the man who actually yearns for commitment. Hell, he should just start showering her with flowers and shit and she'll leave him alone in no time.

[–]davipbl 26 points27 points  (2 children)

This makes me remember the outcomes of the discussion about 500 Days Of Summer, where the feminism viewpoint was that the protagonist's girlfriend established that she didn't want anything serious. Given that, she had no impact on the protagonist's decisions, reassuring that her choices are hers and that the main character was the 'wrong' one in the relationship.

Now they're using this argument that the man should take responsibility and either commit or back-off.

Man, these are double standards.

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[–]weirdnamedindian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's possibly the best RP film out there when it comes to relationships. Definitely a must-see for those men who've just taken the pill. It shows what alot of us were before we took the pill. Its beautifully cringe-worthy to watch.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 56 points57 points  (7 children)

Come on man... you should make a throwaway and write up a fictitious account with the genders reversed in a few weeks.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I second this, someone please do it

[–]SipNattysRollFattys 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Was planning on doing this as soon as I read it. Someone remind me, and I'll do it. It could be a breakthrough to show how hypocritical all these feminazis are.

[–]TyPerfect 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Set that shit as a calender event in two weeks. Reddit's attention span will make it seem fresh.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't there a reddit bot for setting a reminder?

[–]ANUS_CONE 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well, yeah. When women do it, it's a sign of how far they've come. Duh.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Even worse... If a guys mom called the FWB then I guarantee you the man would be "controlling" and emotionally unstable

I just can't believe this culture we live in where nobody is responsible for their actions

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well this was pretty amazing too. I was never contacted this way by mothers of any girlfriends I had. I would have considered it pretty unstable too.

This just shows that we're used to seeing a lot of chutzpah from women. Men, pay attention, and if it can benefit you, do the reverse. Not just this, but in various ways.

It may not be "alpha" but it's likely to be effective. In this way women are smarter than we are, unless we learn from them.

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 21 points22 points  (0 children)

YOU DON'T OWN HER! HER PUSSY DON'T BELONG TO YOU NIGGA! SHE'S AN INDEPENDENT WOMAN! FUCK YOU AND YOUR PATRIARCHAL TRADTIONS SHITLORD! FUCK YOUR GENDER NORMS! FUCK ALL MEN!

seriously, this is why I don't even believe in the patriarchy. When you point out a flaw with their theories like benevolent sexism, they quickly change sides and call it "a social construct of the patriarchy." Really? Benevolent sexism for women, which they revel in and enjoy is a construct of the patriarchy? Then why don't you fight against that?

Nobody, should ever take anything, any woman, says seriously. Ever. Except if she's your mother.

I listen to my mum....Well... sometimes not even that.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The actual other way around is friendzoning, though.

The funny thing is that this thread is probably bait, written in a way to mirror the friendzoning dynamics (just look at some comments of that guy). While I disagree with OP that the relationships-sub is generally super one-sided regarding intergender relationships, the propensity to make out the "nice guy orbiter" as the real jerk in that equation is very pronounced in there. It's funny how int he inverse situation the responsibility is suddenly on the guy to spare the woman emotional distress.

I mean, I agree - if you have some sense of responsibility and aren't just out for yourself, you as the more powerful party (and the one who can walk away easily) are certainly the one who has an easier time to call things off; and if you're arguing from a moral PoV that's exactly what you should do. However, it should go both ways and not just be a privilege girls enjoy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So true, his answers are not to get a solution, they are truly to point out their retarded logic.

[–]Hydris 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's amazing the amount of people who spout off about how women don't owe their friends a relationship (which they don't) but obviously men owe it to women.

It's the exact opposite sex with no emotional relationship vs emotional relationship with no sex.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's amazing the amount of people who spout off about how women don't owe their friends a relationship (which they don't) but obviously men owe it to women.

The cunning part of what they do, is to change to "all people are the same, if there are any gender differences you outdated shitlord, it is a construct of society".

It's "equality" (all people are the same) one second, and RP gender dynamics the next.

And weirdly enough.... the arguments change not in a random way, but in a way that benefits women. Every. Single. Time.

Loved IllimitableMen's recent post about hamstering and dissociation. Nailed it perfectly.

[–]xaphody 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And she would pick up her meal at the next window

[–]FPH_Shitlord 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Post a fake story where that is the case and let's see what happens. For Red Pill science.

[–]TheCocksmith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd be interested to see someone post a reverse scenario in a few days to see what the reaction is.

[–]putsch80 143 points143 points [recovered]

"I degraded myself to an alpha, and this girl is doing the same, and I can relate to her feeling bad, and that makes you at fault!" Women's logic 101.

This isn't just the logic of the commenters. I'd guarantee you her mom was a CC rider, got alpha widowed (probably several times), and had to settle marrying some poor schlub because she rode the carousel right into the wall. The mom's phone call, while irrational, is somewhat understandable. She's just trying to prevent her daughter from making the same mistakes she made herself.

The problem is that, like many of these washed up CC riders, the mom believes that her misery is the fault of the men she fucked rather than her own fault. Thus, instead of talking to her daughter about self respect, choosing men more carefully, and avoiding carousel rides -- simple things that the daughter could and should take control over -- the mom instead lashes out at the alpha. "It's all his fault that my daughter is about to be alpha widowed."

It's all just a sign that mommy never took any responsibility for her own mistakes, blaming the men she fucked and removing all sense of self responsibility. And now she's helping her daughter do the same. And so the cycle will continue.

[–]Garconanokin 87 points88 points  (0 children)

"rode the carousel right into the wall"

Dying over here, that was brilliant.

[–]RPthrowaway123 25 points26 points  (3 children)

This makes a lot of sense. I had a gf whose mother would frequently interfere in our relationship...I come to find that she has kids from 2 marriages and that she was a huge "hippie" (read: into sex and drugs) in her younger years.

[–]SexistFlyingPig 8 points9 points  (2 children)

It's like you're my mirror, my mirror staring right back at me.

My ex-wife's mom was married about 4 times (I don't know the exact number). She used to be a huge hippie too.

I wonder if there is a pattern here. Something hidden from me by the matrix. I wonder if there's a way to see through the lies I've been told to understand what's really going on here...

[–]RPthrowaway123 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's almost like if you were to take a pill, it would make things much clearer...

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a father of teenage sons, I have some awareness of what other parents of my kids' classmates are experiencing.

And mothers of teenage girls generally can no longer communicate with them at all. The daughters hate their mothers. Probably it's the "Electra complex" which seems more ubiquitous than the male Oedipus version. It's not the mothers' fault.

Well the lectures should have occurred when the girl was about 8 - 10, late elementary ages, before puberty hits. And then hope.

[–]Endorsed ContributorDenswend 80 points81 points  (12 children)

Funny thing is, had this guy come to TRP, we would tell him what is healthy for him. No, committing to an easy woman is never a good idea. Sex dries up, you are stuck in a relationship where you cannot fulfill your basic needs, and she considers you less than a man - but they will never articulate it because they need their moral superiority. Currently, committing to a 11/10 traditional RPW is not a good idea either - because divorce rape and such. So we would shield him from an abusive relationship, and protect him from a world of financial hurt.

But the great irony is, had he come here, he would probably not require that advice.

Now on to the comments :

Because remember what the first word in "FWB" is - "friend". If you have a friend who expresses romantic feelings for you that you do not reciprocate, 9/10 times the kind thing to do is back off, at least for a little while.

Which is why we must shy away from any newspeak. FWB included. A plate is, while somewhat funny, an apt term for that. You might be led to believe that fucking = emotional commitment which is wrong. It's even logically wrong because if fucking=commitment then commitment=fucking - and just try to go with that line on women dominated places.

Speaking of which...

Guys aren't vending machines you put sex into and get relationships out of.

This is downvoted to hell, and a man is told to be "insufferable", "how did Claire fall for you", etc. This is a comment from OP, and he is either a troll or a genuine half pilled person. It's downvoted with no logical explanation given - other than shaming, of course.

You're the worst. Enjoy being technically correct and having this blow up in your face. I'll never get how people can come on here looking for advice and then ignore all of it.

To a woman, and effeminate men, their emotional state is their reality. They might occasionally admit that there is a discrepancy between actual reality and their emotional state, but still,muh feelz.

Notice that only OP is being downvoted, but when other people say what he says, they're not. "Claire is her own person" is -23 when OP says it, and +25 when someone else says it.

That is because OP made them angry. You simply cannot take things like "women are their own people", "we believe in equality" out of context and apply them somewhere else. Context is always something that benefits woman - "women are their own people so you shouldn't get to dictate what they should do with their bodies, but you totally should pay for their abortions and bastards". You cannot consider a woman's statement (when relating to political or emotional) in a vacuum - something to stand on its own merit and to be applied universally - and expect agreement. They don't use ideas for the sake of ideas, they use ideas for the sake of themselves. "Women are their own people so it's cool if she wants to be FWB with me" does not fly.

Oh and classic :

There's a lot of anti-sex stuff in the culture in general. A lot of people think sex is only OK if you're in love, especially for women. These people act like women don't actually like sex, they just trade sex for affection and love and stability. By this logic, any woman having sex outside of a committed romantic relationship is being cheated and is "losing" something. Or that she must have very low self esteem if she's undervaluing her sex so much to be willing to trade it for less than an exclusive romantic relationship.

The commenter I quoted has a good grasp on logic, even though he doesn't have the necessary axioms for proper understanding. Half of the thread is saying "she's using sex to get commitment" and now he is saying "women don't use sex to get commitment".

Hell, this thread amazing in mental gymnastics.

If this depresses you, just remember - you have your agency, much like every other person, whether you like it or not, regardless of what r/relationships, or someone else retarded as them, thinks. If you were in OP's position, you'd know what is bullshit and what is not.

[–]ThrowyMcGruder 75 points76 points  (5 children)

These people act like women don't actually like sex, they just trade sex for affection and love and stability.

I think women like sex and trade it for stuff. They seem to instinctively feel that sex with them is worth more than sex with the man.

You ever get a call from a woman looking for a quickie and you tell her you're busy?

She'll start offering stuff.

A recent example from me is a girl who texted asking me to come over for a quickie.

I said I had to get up early and wasn't up for it.

She said she'd come pick me up, buy a few beers and a pizza, and put a movie on if I'd just come over and fuck her.

Fuck it, why not?

So I go over, fuck her, and we get to drinking beers and eating pizza.

She was quivering after the sex and asked me how the hell I do that to her.

But now, drinking the beers, she keeps trying to come up with something that I can do for her. Straight up asking me what I plan to do for her.

When I ask why I should do something for her, she said "Well, I picked you up, I bought you beers, I bought you a pizza, and I had sex with you!"

I told her that she picked me, bought me beers and bought me pizza in exchange for sex.

She said, "I'm not a prostitute!"

I said, "Technically, I'm the prostitute in this situation."

"I never pay for sex!", she replied as if the very thought was ludicrous.

"You just did!", I laughed.

She had a hard time wrapping her head around that one.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I said, "Technically, I'm the prostitute in this situation."

gold.

I love playing mental gymnastics at certain times.

"Did you expect something?"

"Were you just doing everything to get something in return?"

"I thought you were inviting me to have a great time together, not to get something out of me."

[–]Endorsed ContributorDenswend 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Yeah, that is a false dichotomy if I've ever seen one. The commenter is good with logic, but not consistent.

Yes, women enjoy sex. Yes, they trade it for affection and stability. Those two are not mutually exclusive.

However, women place less emphasis on sex than men. This does not mean that women don't value sex.

Now, why do women value sex? Because they get A)progeny and B)stability. The same reason men value sex - with a less emphasis on B. These things aren't rational, and they aren't negotiable.

Evolution creates not fitness maximizers but adaptation-executers. This means that the goal of sexual behaviour - progeny - is not achieved by having a feedback mechanism that rewards getting babies, but rewards *the process of making babies. Most of us, especially young women, are actually averse to having babies - but we don't mind getting our dicks wet or our vaginas filled. More concretely, evolution hasn't actually caught up (I say "evolution" but I actually have no idea what I have in mind) to us hacking our reward-for-babies mechanism by putting a rubber band over the willy.*

I mean, from the amount of beta married men in deadbedroom style scenario, you'd think people would consider that, perhaps, just perhaps, women, at their subconscious level, consider sex something to trade too. Why do they think betas marched into slavery?

[–]rpreader 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had a girl who was ok looking, maybe a 6 or 7, but she did anything and everything.

Once she asked to come over, and I didnt respond.

"Don't make me beg to be fucked"

"Ok fine. Please please fuck me"

"Ill do only anal."

Ill cook you something afterwards."

It was then that I told her "fine, come over". It was fantastic sex and, yes, she did cook me something afterwards.

[–]life_manager 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Was going to say, OP had some RP lines. Especially when he puts the hamster on its ass with "but she's an adult, she can make her own decisions." They all flounder "yeah but that only counts when we say so"

[–]Endorsed ContributorDenswend 25 points26 points  (0 children)

The funny thing? Had he come here, we would tell him the exact fucking thing.

You don't plate a gal who wants LTR with you. You don't. No, you don't do it cause muh-6-billion-women-oppressed-by-patriarchy. No, you don't do it cause she's a human being and we can simply say you're not treating women equally/as human beings when we don't like you. You do it because she builds a resentment towards you. A woman who considers a plate status is the prior step to a LTR status is not someone you want to LTR (and for a good reason) - much like man who thinks friendship naturally grows into love is someone either deluded or stupid. There's myriad of posts here where you have people saying "don't be a dick supreme to her, just be dickish enough that you get her interested" and "don't, for fucks sake, damage women". *There is a reason why, even us - Nazi KKK ISIS Comcast muh soggy kneeist - say that. It's bad for her, but it's bad for you too.

Yes, OP is technically within his responsibilities. All logical. But women don't work on logic. Men don't work on logic. You fuck with an emotional side, you fucked up. One moment she's all cheerful to be filled by your cock, but on the inside she's dying a bit by bit. One day she snaps and comes to conclusion that she can get him to commit if she plays up the drama - false rape charge, false domestic abuse charge, baby trapping him, etc. I've seen stuff like that happen (not the legal aspect, but the drama surrounding it). All legal methods of how women can fuck men over. You may laugh at the logic with the "har har silly wymyn, thinking alpha will commit if you put him in a world of hurt" but then again I see men of above average intelligence thinking that kissing her ass will get you pussy - and they still believe it no matter how many times they are proven otherwise.

So yes, commenters are technically correct. You drop her. Put on your best sad puppy face and best lines and drop her.

You drop her because putting her in a resentment mode benefits nobody. You drop her because if you have some sort of perverse oneitis (more like inability to score with other women) you lost by default. You drop her because if you can't get more plates then you fucked something up.

But no, you can't miss out on cognitive dissonance and man hatred.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

This is depressing me big time. How can you "win" against someone who can do these kind of mental gymnastics and society always sides with? Just be willing to walk away and not give a fuck? Women deserve to be gaslighted.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They win by default. It's a kind of privilege women have but will never be acknowledged or examined. You can 'win' by realizing and accepting that's just how the world works, and yes that usually means walking away and not giving a fuck.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How can you "win" against someone who can do these kind of mental gymnastics and society always sides with?

Find girls that make their hamster work in your favour... or that will follow your lead (for a while) rather than trying to change you or force the situation. If she's getting other people involved in your 'relationship', it's time to bail.

Obviously decentish girls are very rare, so meanwhile as you say: always be willing to walk away, employ dread game, be the best man you can possibly be, etc.

Women deserve to be gaslighted.

Women inherently deserve nothing at all. Live your life for you.

[–]LionLaw 66 points67 points  (2 children)

Guys aren't vending machines you put sex into and get relationships out of.

The best bit of information on that post, written by the OP himself.
Isn't it funny how when things aren't working out, it's the mans fault?
Never mind that she is a fully functioning adult capable of making her own decisions, there's a guy involved so let's make her the victim as usual.

[–]Life_Can_Be_Simple 15 points16 points  (0 children)

the responses to that comment though.

leg beard bullshit at it's finest.

[–]CuntyMcFagNuts69 57 points58 points  (4 children)

That doesn't mean she was being honest with you. She may have been hoping by continuing as FWB you'd eventually develop feelings as well, but didn't want to pressure you because she likes you and wants to be close you somehow. She also deserves to know that her mother is messing around in her business secretly.

Fuck these comments. OP clearly stated he wanted his dick wet

Here's a comment OP made and guess what.....-44 votes, surprise??

Like I said in the OP, she did say she wanted a romantic relationship and we stopped for a while. But then she wanted to continue as before. I'm not really sure about telling her about the phonecall though, seems like it will just escalate the drama...

And the best comment of the day

If you look at some responses it seems like a lot of girls here are re-living their past mistakes through OP and taking it out on him

[–]BattleDrillOneAlpha 39 points40 points  (0 children)

If you look at some responses it seems like a lot of girls here are re-living their past mistakes through OP and taking it out on him

This guy wouldn't be wrong. I don't know what it is, but that thread should be in an Intro to Psychology class on Projection. Holy fuck, I don't think I have ever seen a post that is so obviously full of females condemning OP for doing something that any man would do.

And I like this poster:

Claire is not your responsibility. However, after knowing a girl is into you and you don't feel the same, and are only looking for sex, then it's not really a "good guy" thing to continue sleeping with her

I guess now we are talking about the goodness of actions now. It's totally cool to be the good and moral guy now, right?? It's all in regards to the woman's feelings.

As the much-quoted saying goes, "You're not wrong, you're just an asshole"

Nothing wrong with that.

Technically, you did absolutely nothing wrong.

Hahahahaha

So what's the pro-

However, most people's consciences wouldn't be able to rationalize it the way you've done

Damn bruh, thanks for speaking for every god damn person on the planet. Nice subtle attempt at shaming though.

[–]1London-Bananas 16 points17 points  (1 child)

That last comment was me. The whole thread was a total mess and because it wasn't telling a Disney love story mods quickly locked it down.

[–]CuntyMcFagNuts69 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are very knowledgeable. People are so fucking delusional

[–]Rathadin 55 points56 points  (5 children)

Of all the replies, this is the most telling sentence...

You might not realize it, but you're leading her on in her mind.

IN. HER. MIND.

Not to a bunch of reasonable third parties... not in reality when you can objectively think about things... but in her mind.

Today's women really are fucking ridiculous.

[–]zxDanKwan 9 points10 points  (2 children)

That is exactly the point at which I had to stop reading, and make sure someone else caught that also...

Pretty much says everything that needs to be said.

[–]1cover20 10 points11 points  (1 child)

What's a woman doing who tries to get you to buy them a drink? Hinting that she'll give you fine intellectual conversation about whatever vapid topic she is talking about?

Of course not, she is trying to lead you on.

[–]CR7_Bale_Lovechild 2 points3 points  (1 child)

God damn these feminists want to have their cake and eat it too. So which is it? Are women strong independent creatures who can fuck when and where they please? Or are they sheep who are incapable of making a decision without the actions of a man? For all the emphasis they put on the negativity of gender roles, they sure do everything they can to reinforce them.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are women strong independent creatures who can fuck when and where they please? Or are they sheep who are incapable of making a decision without the actions of a man?

Well, it's lots of women with lots of agendas, all changing around what they say to agree with each other and attack men. Whatever they say (strong and independent / needy and emotional), the others find language to agree with how they are right and men are wrong.

There is no consensus and no rationality. It's just women can do what they want and are strong and fantabulous for it.... and attack men who dare to do anything other than what women want. The patriarchal shitlords.

It's the standard victim-oppressor-rescuer triangle, designed to Get Stuff.

There is also an incredibly strong pro-BB bias, because:

  • most men are basically BB
  • most women want more BB
  • women think you can turn an AF into a BB but not the other way around
  • women want resources all the time and AF occasionally
  • Once she's been fucked, she's sexually fulfilled for a while but can never have too much attention or other resources.
  • BB is socially acceptable, AF isn't (because of all the above, but amplifies it)

So everything always ends up pro-female pro-BB anti-male anti-AF, in about that order.

Knowing all this - act accordingly and make the most of how hilarious they are. And educate your fellow men that everything they say is designed to get them money and attention.

[–]1MajorMid 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Oh man I died at OP's comment in that thread. "Guys arent vending machines you put sex into and get a relationship out of" in response to someone claiming that he was in the wrong because the girl kept wanting to have sex with him in hopes that a relationship would develop.

Of course the comment is -77 and caused a ton of butthurt from betas and women. But man is that the perfect fucking analogy to the "Women arent vending machines that you put niceness into and get sex out of". But of course when that one is said all the time to upset men with unreciprocated feelings towards a woman they are friends with that is A OK!

Women are the gatekeepers to sex and men are the gatekeepers to commitment has never rung so true.

[–]markfeel 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That's the crucial point that is driving all the hamsters (male ones included) insane. I've never seen such a clear cut example of a double standard.

[–]RPthrowaway123 83 points84 points  (1 child)

Classic. She's a strong, independent women right?! I don't see how it's anyone's business here. This guy is a moron for asking in that sub. Someone should PM him and let him know it's okay to keep fucking the chick, because really the advice he's getting in there is ridiculously bad. She obviously is willing to stay with him and continue being used...but these days it's only okay when men orbit women, not the other way around. If it was a guy concerned about how a girl was leading him on for money, rides, and to use as an emotional tampon I would bet all the money in my savings account that those idiots would say he's being selfish and that he's not entitled to sex.

Guess what bitch/bitch's mom, you're not entitled to a relationship either.

[–]MyDickFellOff 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's not okay fucking her. Not because I consider it's wrong to fuck her. But because someone already lashed out on him.

How many fucks can he get in before he gets beaten up by her daddy and a group of beta orbiters?

Too much drama, not worth it. There are too many pussies in the world to stick your dick into to accept this kind of drama.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 33 points34 points  (3 children)

My advice for him is not to sweat it. My advice to her would be, men are not vending machines that you put sex coins in until commitment falls out.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 6 points7 points  (2 children)

men are not vending machines that you put sex coins in until commitment falls out

And women are certainly not machines you put money/commitment/love into and sex falls out.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That's the joke. I was parodying that line.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

fair enough, I'd not heard the original - sorry.

[–]thefisherman1961 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Uhhh, no. Don't hide behind semantics. You KNOW that she has feelings for you. And you CONTINUED to use her as a bed-warmer. KNOWING how she felt. Of course she wanted you back. Because she caught a bad case of feelings. IF you are a good man, you will end it. Because you don't want to lead her on. Which is EXACTLY what you are doing.

Saying that he's "using" her makes her sound like an object that is incapable of making her own decisions. Isn't that the opposite of what feminism says? According to feminist logic, she's not a strong, independent womyn if she is "allowing" herself to be used.

You should have stopped sleeping with her when she said she had feelings for you. If you really didn't know that wasn't a good idea, I guess that's an excuse. But now you know that it's a bad idea from all these other people telling you what's up. If you keep doing it, you value sex over her feelings. And that makes you a butthole.

It takes two to tango. If she doesn't want to be "used" by a guy who doesn't have feelings for her, then she'd stop fucking him. It's obvious that she can't resist the D, because he is an alpha to her. They are trying to beta-fy this guy so hard and it makes me sick.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Feminism isn't about changing the behavior of women, it's about changing the behavior of men.

[–]thefisherman1961 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like I said, they're trying to beta-fy him by using shit tests. Feminism is just one giant collective shit test. The ones who fail are blue pill white knight SJWs, and they accordingly have their place reserved on the totem pole of social hierarchy as beta males. The ones who pass are the alphas that give feminists the tingles; the males who realize that feminism only applies to beta males.

[–]FortunateBum 14 points15 points  (0 children)

For all the young, inexperienced guys out there:

There's no such thing as free pussy.

I know, you probably heard that before. Maybe you don't quite understand what it means.

For women, all sex is transactional. That is, they aren't having sex just to have sex like men do. They are having sex expecting to get something in return. You need no further proof than to look at the starkly different ways gay men and gay women behave.

All FWB situations have one partner wanting something more and one partner not. Almost always, it's the woman who wants more.

Did I think the world was different when I was young? Yes. Did I think there had to be women, maybe lots of women who liked casual sex? Yes. I believed all the feminist blue pill BS about gender. I expected to find women who were down. There practically weren't any.

Truth is, best way to get casual sex out of a woman is when she's in a relationship and away from home (and the relationship) for some reason. In this rare circumstance, a woman will look for a casual encounter with someone they will never see or hear from again. Most women won't even do this because for them, pure sex doesn't interest them.

If you are fucking a woman in your social circle, she wants something 99% of the time. The only exception would be if she's cheating and doesn't make it a habit.

This is why women feel "used" even though they're "getting" sex. In their POV, they're not getting shit. They're giving out sex and not getting an appropriate return.

It's all of course due to biology which cannot be changed so don't bother trying. When women are young, they are much more likely to want to experiment and try new things. Once they've tried it, they'll figure out right away they don't like it. Miranda doesn't exist.

To answer the questions, is she satisfied? Does she want more?

99% of the time, the answer is always yes. Women are the Machiavellian, capitalist, manipulative, greedy psychopaths of gender. If you get pussy, you'll eventually have to pay for it somehow, somewhere. The less you end up paying, the happier you'll be.

Anyway, good luck out there guys.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 15 points16 points  (1 child)

This one is too good to be true. We know that the posters over there have huge biases. Now we get to see them play out.

Claire asked me to be in an exclusive relationship, but I explained why we couldn't and she seemed fine with it. I told her we could just stop if she wanted to but she wanted to continue.

She tried to escalate their FWB relationship into an LTR. He used his freedom and sexual preference to deny the escalation. Furthermore, he gave the option of stopping the FWB relationship and the girl herself chose to continue it from her own free will.

Once I read that and saw that there are no holes in the OPs story, I knew that the thread was going to perfectly display that subreddits biases. So I'm going to just have a little fun with some of the responses.


Top Comment:

HOWEVER. For you to go along and act as though you do not have a responsibility towards her feelings is... naive at best, dickish at worst. I should note here that this has nothing to do with the fact that's she's female and you are male - I have seen this same situation play out in both directions.

Let's assume that he does have a responsibility towards her feelings. Roll the cameras back. Not only did he explain why he couldn't, he also offered to stop the whole thing. She came back and said "let's continue". What is this top comment implying that the should do. Funny how there is criticism and no solution. Also, see if there's anything in the OPs post where the OP acts as though he does not have a responsibility towards her feelings. Seriously, do it, the OP is 4 paragraphs and I read it twice just to find something.

Because remember what the first word in "FWB" is - "friend". If you have a friend who expresses romantic feelings for you that you do not reciprocate, 9/10 times the kind thing to do is back off, at least for a little while. One does not simply turn off romantic feelings. And yeah, you could say "well if my friend has feelings for me that I don't reciprocate that's THEIR problem". But is that really how you feel about your friends? That their feelings, involving you, are completely out of your control?

First of all, he did back off. She came back into it.

OP: "We can cease our FWB relationship, if that would benefit you"

Her: "Let's continue"

OP: "I treat you as an adult that can make her own decisions and I respect them. You say that you want to continue. Great."

What this top comment wants you to say is "Hey, you're an adult that wants to continue being FWB, but I'm going to give you a time out until you can figure out your feelings".

So which do you want feminists? Adult treatment or child treatment? You want to be an adult, but when it comes time to pull up your pants you want to be treated like a child.

And yeah, you could say "well if my friend has feelings for me that I don't reciprocate that's THEIR problem". But is that really how you feel about your friends?

What's the solution then? This fucker keeps criticizing and offers no solution.

That their feelings, involving you, are completely out of your control?

I don't even want to get into this one.

you need to really, REALLY make sure that she isn't harboring feelings still

Obviously she's going to still want him to herself. Second of all, why does he need to make sure of that? Timeout. Say I'm beta boy 9000. I'm fucking blondie cakes and I want get official with her. She doesn't want to be in a relationship but offers to keep fucking. But then she finds out I'm still harboring feelings and cuts everything off completely even though the sex was great and both of us wanted it. OR she treats me as an adult, let's me decide what my limits are and gives me the choice of whether or not to keep fucking her. Hey, I didn't get a relationship, but I can still fuck my blondie!


Second top comment:

You CAN take a moment to figure out how that phone call came to be. What is the most likely explanation, given the evidence you've provided?

Yeah, enter detective mode because you have all the time in the world to spend on this kind of shit. Or just call the girl up and ask.

Third top comment:

Yes you should stop sleeping with Claire

Yeah, that will fix it all. No, don't let her choose. Choose for her. Because you know what's in her best interest.

being in this FWB arrangement is hurting her

She's totally not hurting herself (if it's the case that something is hurting her). It's the FWB that's hurting her. She can't be in control of anything, she's first and foremost a victim.

This reminds me of "Oh, I'm getting bullied on some forum I'm going on". Bitch, log off that one forum, problem solved. FWB is hurting you? Leave. Problem solved.

Next comment:

And this is where FWB should have ended.

OP responds with

Like I said, I told her I couldn't do that and we stopped for several weeks, and then she came back and said she wanted things to be like they were so we did that.

Wow, she even had a couple of weeks.

The next response in the comment chain:

You might not realize it, but you're leading her on in her mind.

What the fuck are you supposed to do? Live your life like you're walking on egg shells to not lead other people on? Let's take another approach to that comment. Leading someone on = bad according to the poster. So girls leading guys on = bad too right. I think that's a can of worms that poster doesn't want to open.

I'm going to stop the comment analysis here. To sum everything up, all the comments want OP to make the decision that will lead to an outcome in her favor.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

all the comments want OP to make the decision that will lead to an outcome in her favor.

Well, the girls are projecting their own experiences, and are trying to shame the guy into committing so that the girl (in reality themselves) has the opportunity to convert that into resources later, or upgrade but in a way that makes her feel happy about it.

And the guys subconsciously are either jealous, or think "hey, that's a girl that I could be fucking if you'd just stop it for a second!".

[–]2popthatpill 27 points28 points  (8 children)

This is precisely the sort of situation for which affirmative consent laws were conceived.

Remember, the point of affirmative consent laws is to give women legal leverage against being platezoned: "commit to me or I go to the cops and say you raped me".

[–]infiniteslinky 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Someone should reverse the sexes and fabricate a similar story. Let's turn the hive mind on it's feminist head for science. Then Post results to TRP.

[–]blacwidonsfw 11 points12 points  (2 children)

My favorite part.

OP -30 points 2 days ago 

Like I said, I told her I couldn't do that and we stopped for several weeks, and then she came back and said she wanted things to be like they were so we did that.

Comentor -33 points 2 days ago* 

20 year olds are dumb - 20 year old me would totally have thought you would come around eventually - it's what every movie and tv show tells me.

Is it really so hard to imagine that's whats going through her head?

OP -33 points 2 days ago 

is it really so ignorant of me to believe girls can be in charge of their own lives and don't need their decisions made for them?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

 20 year old me would totally have thought you would come around eventually - it's what every movie and tv show tells me.

That could well be true... it's a common theme, and it's easy to see that with a small sprinkling of hamster, she could see it like that.

Same problem beta orbiters have - believing the disney crap.

Except this way around the guy is being honest with her - whereas men beta orbit because they are lied to.

But anyway.... so what... she's a free agent, she's being told the truth. Sorry baby, you don't get to divorcerape this one. Try again a few times and settle down with Mr B. Bux when that wall is approaching. Welcome to the reality of dating life, but don't for a second think it was created by men.

[–]1DRMMR76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that the OP got downvoted for plainly reiterating one of the actual stated public goals of feminism, "I believe women can and should make their own decisions", really shows the lie that feminism is. They only want that when it serves them on case by case basis.

That which helps me right now is good. That which hinders me right now is bad. - The only true motivation behind feminism (and all leftism for that matter)

[–]skoobled 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Men get angry about the friendzone because they hate making an investment and not seeing any return.

Women get angry about not being able to fuck their way into a relationship because they hate making an investment and not seeing any return.

[–]faded_jester 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In my earliest days of Reddit (before I had even heard of RP) I recall I only gave a single bit of advice one time in that sub. It was something along the lines of "Don't come here for actual advice...especially if you aren't a woman". Yeah that went over pretty well....I quickly took it off my feed and never had to look at that nonsense again....I do sorta feel bad for any men who take their advice....it's like a slow cow taking advice from hungry lions.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Women are not vending machines where you insert kindness coins until sex falls out.

Men are not slot machines where you pull the sex lever until you win the commitment jackpot.

[–]markfeel 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Reverse translation of the "Uhhh, no. Don't hide behind..." line:

Uhhh, no. Don't hide behind semantics. You KNOW that he has feelings for you. And you CONTINUED to use him as a validation tool. KNOWING how he felt. Of course he wanted you back. Because he caught a bad case of feelings. IF you are a good woman, you will end it. Because you don't want to lead him on. Which is EXACTLY what you are doing.

They'd agree that if a guy is giving a girl attention/validation/money, he shouldn't expect sex. But apparently they think if a girl is giving a guy sex, she SHOULD expect commitment.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"You are such a pathetic Nice Guy"

[–]Wilhelm_Stark 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I don't mean to defend anyone here, but your throwing the concept of a plate at r/relationships. These two ideas do not go well together. What did you expect them to say?

[–]1cover20 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Women value their feelings over the guy's feelings. Especially once the guy's committed. That's OK, right?

Man values his feelings over the woman's feelings. Especially before giving commitment. Then that's OK too.

[–]johnchapel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wow, what a bunch of pussies in that thread.

[–]MHOOD01 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"Bed warmer"

That's what these people call a fuck buddy? Haha, that's cute.

[–]Riddick_ 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Last Hamster goes for 100m sprint world record, this gem: You should have stopped sleeping with her when she said she had feelings for you. ... If you keep doing it, you value sex over her feelings. And that makes you a butthole. FKIN LOL. I wonder if this one is over 200lbs yet.

[–]loddfavne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you keep doing it, you value sex over her feelings.

The sad part is that women won't tell you about their feelings. They will show them. So, if she fucks somebody she has an emotional motive on some level to do it. It might be only her need for money or it might be some physical attraction. Some people will never understand this.

To put it in the words of the cynical, fictional Dr. House: Everybody lies. I think many people would be better off if they just ignored what people said, and instead focused on what people do.

[–]Grasshopper21 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I started to well up with respect at "something something vending machines" and how butt hurt everyone gets after that. This is fucking hilarious.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How dare you use our logic against us!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Does /relationships always lock posts as soon as they get linked from TRP?

[–]1London-Bananas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They lock posts where the story doesn't line up with their general message (Disney fairytale and therapy solves everything) or when something is unfavorable for a woman.

[–]my_redpill_account 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't say it's because TRP linked it. They closed the thread because it became a shit show (in my opinion).

[–]Jokoran 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This guy is a fucking hero. I'm reading these replies:

You sound insufferable.

You're the worst. Enjoy being technically correct and having this blow up in your face. I'll never get how people can come on here looking for advice and then ignore all of it.

You are not Claire's friend.

Why on earth Claire has ever had feelings for you is beyond me.

Uhhh, no. Don't hide behind semantics. You KNOW that she has feelings for you. And you CONTINUED to use her as a bed-warmer. KNOWING how she felt. Of course she wanted you back. Because she caught a bad case of feelings. IF you are a good man, you will end it. Because you don't want to lead her on. Which is EXACTLY what you are doing

You're a fucking moron, if you're not going to accept advice then fuck off. You're using her now, she is only with you in the hopes that it eventually turns into a relationship, and it's clearly messing with her.

She's not a piece of meat. And you are not a good guy,.

No...she stated what she wanted but was too weak to quit....so this is on you you for just looking after your own needs.

I can just see this guy's face right now: http://i.imgur.com/RlEAvc8.jpg

[–]teeelo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy shit I would have enjoyed systematically quoting each line of that whiny baby bullshit and cut her down calling out all her feelsy Bull shit.

[–]changshuaidiao 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Men are not vending machines that that you put sex tokens into and a relationship falls out.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is fucking hilarious, if the guy is being honest he is 100% morally good in my book. Since she is a real person with real agency, it's up to HER to decide whether to keep fucking him or not. Her trying to change him is just a hilarious overreaching on her part, she's trying to control things she can't control but she needs to worry about herself.

For every problem, the solution lies inside. If this woman had agency she would simply... change her behavior and not have a problem.

I love being a man because we actually have the privilege of solving problems. Women don't want to solve problems, they just want to talk. Women prefer status-jousting to anything else on this earth. However, I am a man and I prefer solving problems because status-jousting is boring as FUCK.

[–]Nebulose11 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He doesn't have any responsibility to her. Why do people think that men have responsibilities to women they haven't married?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The problem isn't the actions, nor is it the consequences. The problem with these people is their narcissism, wherein they project their feelings outwards, and in so doing, believe that feelings actually have depth and, more importantly, that feelings have meaning, and that feelings are, therefore, valuable and meaningful. The truth is that feelings are inconsequential, and for all that the majority of people may blindly follow their feelings (to their downfall), they will always be susceptible to those who realise that, actually, feelings have no meaning, and they have no attachments. Hurting somebody's feelings is not a sin, rather, it is something we all do at some point in our lives by virtue of our existing. Modern society is built upon the misinformed premise that hurting somebody's feelings is a bad thing. We need to raise our children to know that anything worth doing shall always upset somebody. Serving one's own interests shall always jeopardise somebody else's. It's not sin to upset somebody. And, the truth to take away from this is that women's feelings are of no fucking consequence. Those of you who care about women's feelings, you need to liberate yourself from whatever it was that made you this way.

[–]The_BeardedGentleman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

women's feelings are of no fucking consequence

I stopped giving a fuck about those when I realized they don't even acknowledge that mine exist. Why the fuck should I care if they apparently don't matter. We're equal after all, right honey?

[–]Nihilist401 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Another case of female hypocrisy. If this was man who had spent his time and resources on her in order to "win" her commitment / sex when she clearly didnt want that; things would be completely different. you wont see anyone saying that "she KNEW he had feelings for her, yet CONTINUED to use him a wallet, KNOWING how he felt etc etc". Hamster would conclude that the guy did all this because they were "good friends". Ofcourse she never said that she saw him that way...

[–]through_a_ways 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's a comment graveyard at the bottom, I wish the archive had it. Those usually have some of the most telling information.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Laconically, feminism is the idea that men owe women something.

[–]snakehayter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What do you expect when you ask help from a bunch of self entitled cunts and beta weenies who'd kill just be around a chick for two minutes?

[–]1London-Bananas 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The best thing of this thread was, aside from OP awakening the rage of a thousand shattered plates, that nobody assumed the FWB was actually benefiting the girl as well. They all assume that if BB isn't on the table, this whole arrangement is bad for her. OP said somewhere he wasn't harming her because there were no videos/pics of her and he told no one. So perfect casual sex arrangement for this girl.

[–]Ibex3D 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'll go so far as to say it would be the moral thing to stop sleeping with her for the sake of her feelings. In an ideal world we would all look out for eachother and try to foster eachother's happiness. Now, does the fact that he is still fucking her make him a bad person? No. She is completely free to stop fucking him but she isn't gonna do that. Why is the man the one who has to control his urges for the sake of the girl's feelings when the girl wont even do what is best for her feelings? I will agree it is the moral thing to do to end it but this dude isn't fucking Jesus. It's not his responsibility to police other people's decisions. And let's be honest, if you were 100% moral 100% of the time you would never get laid and compared to things like fucking a girl in a relationship, cheating, and rape, this is far from the most sexually immoral thing a man could do.

[–]mercuryg 3 points3 points [recovered]

is it really so ignorant of me to believe girls can be in charge of their own lives and don't need their decisions made for them?

This is OP's comment and it's downvoted to -33. The entire comment thread is a fantastic shit show, it's so hilariously biased towards women it's simply amazing...i'm in awe

[–]Easih 1 point2 points  (0 children)

why you think r/relationships even exist in the first place? :) the place is basically how to not act.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One of my plates is trying to pull some end-run commitment bullshit game atm. Now I know why. She's a redditor and probably saw that shit-show of a thread and got some ideas in her idea. I gave her the "Bye, Felicia" and now she's backpedaling like a motherfucker. Fuckin' females.

[–]scarletspider3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They just hate it when the man has the power. They think that we just live to serve them. So when some guy doesn't play along he's an asshole.

[–]BetterRedThanRed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Men DO get slut shamed.

TRP sometimes denies this because there are different mechanisms behind male and female slut shaming. But in the end, society is more accepting if a woman openly states that she fucks men just for fun without committing.

"You go girl!" vs "You are an asshole!"

[–]Kolbykilla 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is infuriating! Men and women should both be held accountable for there actions, OP isn't a fucking mind reader if she came back to him after he rejected her plea for a relationship she knows what the fuck she is doing, op has no obligation to give this women a relationship. Everyone in that thread is basically saying the girl shouldn't be held accountable for her actions she doesn't know what she is doing or thinking. No fuck that, if it was a guy they wouldn't be saying the same thing.

[–]trp_ocd 2 points2 points [recovered]

A good litmus test would be to set up a throw away or two and make similar stories, reverse gender, and gender nuetral (no pronouns). Let the m define the situation... "if you are a girl..." or "you must be the guy because..."

A double blind role reversal will give you all the ammo one would need in the defense of trp shutdown threat.

[–]TheRealMouseRat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because remember what the first word in "FWB" is - "friend". If you have a friend who expresses romantic feelings for you that you do not reciprocate, 9/10 times the kind thing to do is back off, at least for a little while. One does not simply turn off romantic feelings. And yeah, you could say "well if my friend has feelings for me that I don't reciprocate that's THEIR problem". But is that really how you feel about your friends? That their feelings, involving you, are completely out of your control?

Could one say this to a girl who has friendzoned a guy? It's basically the same thing.

[–]MisterMojoMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a great example of how people view the idea of entitlement between the sexes. So let me get this straight: A man in a long term relationship is fucked up because he feels that when he does his share in the relationship by giving a woman his commitment and emotional support, he should get sex in return (in other words he feels he is entitled to sex) and when a girl denies him of that "privilege", she is completely in the right because it is "her body, her choice".

But when the script is flipped and a woman gives a man sex in the hopes of getting commitment in return, and he denies her of commitment, HE is the one who is wrong. "My body, my choice" right? "You aren't entitled to my body" right? Why should he be obligated to give a woman his commitment even if she gave him sex? We have already established that no one is entitled to anyone else's body, so what makes this any different?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"White Knight Commission of reddit" hahaha it's the little things.

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This honestly reads as if someone from here went to the relationship sub and wrote a fake bait post to rattle that subs cages and have them react so we can point and laugh.

Anyone else agree?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then a dumbass said: You are hurting her by continuing the relationship! You should infer what the phone call meant!

Him: So I should read fucking minds now?

Another dumbfuck: You know she wants full girlfriend status! How dare you not upgrade her!

Him: Men aren't machines you can put sex into and get commitment out of.

[–]SamTheDude16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Something something vending machines." "What?" "Guys aren't vending machines that you can throw sex into, and get a relationship out of." That's the best line I've heard all day.

[–]darkwolfx24678 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The comments on that post are completely ridiculous. Clearly, she's a person that can make up her own mind and decisions and that should not weigh on OP's mind. That being said, OP could have a conversation with her again to see if she's actually comfortable with the situation. If she says yes, then their benefits should trek on in full force. He should really push the fact that the "relationship" is that of FWB, preferably through text. You never know when things can go awry and all of a sudden he's in a shitstorm he rather not be in. If she says no, asks for an exclusive relationship again, or even hesitates in her answer then find another plate. No alpha should be so weak that they have to rely on one plate when the plate is not fully invested.

[–]Rougepellet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love the shit zoo known as the internet. Bitches (not gender exclusive) bitch about how OP lives his life, OP ignores then and carries on fucking dumb sluts who have "feelings" (read severe fucking tingles) for him.

[–]supersonic-turtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this gives me shivers... the double standard is ridiculous and people who perpetuate the notion that women are tender creatures without a thought or ambition of their own are not only incorrect but they are toxic....

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