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Red Pill ExampleRP truth hits main page, default sub, gets 2000+ upvotes, 4x gold. There's a catch. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Rathadin

Summary: Great comment about the world not being fair, attractive people having an easier time in life, etc. gets 2000+ upvotes, gilded four times so far. However, its a reply to a comment from a man about how he was treated different when he was no longer a fatty. And this comment itself seems to be written by a man. Even more amazingly, the SJWs don't brigade and downvote it, which further fuels the fact that they're just spouting off propaganda to further their goal... control.

It's a hard truth that people like to gloss over, physical attractiveness is important.

Straight out of Survival of the Prettiest. A shockingly RP book from a female author.

We all grow up being told that we are special little snowflake and it's what is on the inside that counts. But that isn't true. Your interactions with society are extremely based on your presentation. If you are overweight or ugly, you are already on tilt.

More RP truth...

The problem is that people give huge weight to first impressions. We all do. If you don't, you're a liar, you do it too even if it is subconscious. It doesn't take much, it's initial impression, how they greet you, how they look, is their handshake sweaty, do they have a weird way of speaking. It is entirely possible to overcome this, but when you don't make a celebrity grade first impression, you are fighting an uphill battle. More importantly, we all do it, we shouldn't look down on people because it happens.

So yes, it's true. Handsome and beautiful people get the world handed to them. They will get the jobs they aren't really qualified for, they will get the opportunities denied to people better suited to those goals, they will get the fame, they will get the fortune.

Here's the real truth though, that people should actually teach their kids. Sometimes in life you get handed a shit sandwich. You can chomp on that shit sandwich and pretend like it is an extra crispy BLT, and most people do just that. Or you can look at that shit sandwich, and decide that you're gonna save up your change and buy a real sandwich. Some of us are born ugly, some of us gain weight easily, some of us aren't very smart. Society likes to ignore this.

Here's where some real personal accountability and self-realization comes in. Most people today, granted mostly women, but its also a lot of men too, think society needs to change to accommodate them. Glad to see at least 2000 or so Redditors aren't brainwashed...

The correct answer isn't to ignore this. The correct answer is to accept this as a fact, and work harder to overcome it. It is possible. You can get fit, even if it is harder for you then the people around you. You can work on your social skills, to overcome your bad impression with a resounding character. You can even try to fix your appearance, whether that is plastic surgery or makeup or dressing up.

At the end of the day, getting where you want to be begins with accepting where you are. Once you accept that, and the ugly truths that go with it, you can set your life on the path to overcome these obstacles. The most important truth, beyond all these ugly truths, is there always is a way forward. You just need to find it.

TL;DR / Lessons Learned:

RP truth hits a default sub, gets upvoted to shit and back... god forbid the guy had ever posted to TRP, it would have been demonized as misogynistic drivel designed to drive apart community 'inclusiveness'. Apparently, every now and then, the liberal SJW brigade lets actual truth slip through, likely by accident. Lesson learned? SJW / liberal cognitive dissonance can hit a level even they can't ignore...


[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 155 points156 points  (91 children)

For an extreme example of this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andersonantunes/2014/07/10/how-gisele-bundchen-earned-386-million-throughout-her-career-and-scored-a-spot-at-sundays-world-cup-final/

Gisele Bundchen has earned $386 million over her career. She's probably worth at least a couple hundred million.

In the last year, she made $47 million or more than $128,000 per DAY, including weekends and holidays.

She earned most of this money by being born a very beautiful person.

[–]faded_jester 129 points130 points  (63 children)

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I never thought she was even that hot. I've seen hotter chicks at local bars. Her body is nice but that face isn't a 10....or a 9.....it's a low 8 or high 7 depending on the angle. Pretty? absolutely....world class supermodel?....not in my book. I can think of 10 much hotter girls just off the top of my head.

On Topic: People who claim looks don't matter are either delusional or flat out liars. It's the single greatest asset you can have other than your brain.....and you should be taking care of it....it's the only one you get.

[–][deleted] 113 points114 points  (37 children)

I worked at a place that had a photography studio that did modeling for the clothes they sold.

Here is the dirty little secret about models.

They aren't that hot. They are generally built like a highschool boys basketball team. They are tall with no tits or ass to speak of and faces that look like they had a few licks on the whetstone.

It's on camera they look good, not in real life. It's much easier to add assets via photoshop (bigger t&a) than it is to erase them.

[–]faded_jester 86 points87 points  (9 children)

I've found that the dirty secret is that even when you see a little hottie....you take off that makeup and remove all the little tricks they use.....their number plummets regardless. There is a good reason most don't go out without taking and hour or two to make themselves pretty. Which is fine but I do my best to never assume she is actually as good looking as she appears. The morning after cannot be unseen. Natural beauty is still a fairly rare commodity.

Can you imagine a girls face if you looked completely different the next morning? She would be outraged that you "tricked" her. Silly girls never fail to amuse me.

[–]reelsies 35 points36 points  (3 children)

Can you imagine a girls face if you looked completely different the next morning? She would be outraged that you "tricked" her.

She would perceive that as rape, and report it. And probably succeed, too. Just look at the infamous Israeli case.

[–]proteinbarskek 1 point2 points  (2 children)

didn't a Chinese guy sue his wife for producing ugly kids?

[–]JanLul 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It seems like it was a hoax. Although the story and the picture don't necessarily need to be connected to one another, there are no documents to prove the story.

Plastic surgery has become a booming business in China. They tend to change their face so they look more like white people. This seems to be a result of the western cultural influences. Especially creating eyelids is very popular in China.

A picture with three examples

A picture showing a little more detail

These surgeons in China seem to be pretty damn good.

[–]MyDickFellOff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My Chinese girlfriend told me about it. I am fairly certain it's true.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Honestly it seem's very few people are attractive. 80 percent of people are average, 18 percent are downright ugly and about 2 percent are genuinely very attractive.

I've noticed once you start socializing more and take people off their pedestals everyone's more or less the same with outliers on both spectrum's (attractive-ugly)

Edit: adding on to that if everyone put a little bit more effort into their body and appearance most people would go up a couple of points

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (2 children)

A good example of this are the girls playing in the World Cup. rach team has maybe 1-2 girls that look really good on the field without makeup, push-up bra, sexy clothes, etc.

The number of girls they can fill up for Nike commercials is much much higher.

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    [–]SuperSlavisWife 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Look after the match for makeup. Waterproofing is actually bad against sweat and smears, as sweat contains oils, a natural makeup solvent. I've seen some girls come off the pitch without smears, therefore they can't be wearing makeup.

    2 girls without makeup: http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-JF035_ENGSOC_J_20150702070900.jpg

    Yeah, it's two pretty awful players from England mourning an own goal. But still: no makeup.

    Without makeup: http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/477588678-sohyun-cho-of-korea-celebrates-after-winning-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QR1adCEPjZZXfrJaTMmSRnkZKXxvnLww6XtqaVYB3g0PCoHWwCkxNCqJt2ep6GWP%2Fg%3D%3D

    Without makeup: http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2015/06/15/2015-06-13t024209z_1335854566_nocid_rtrmadp_3_soccer-women-s-world-cup-united-states-at-sweden.jpg

    As someone who engages in weight lifting, hiking and the likes: makeup just doesn't hold up to exercise. Wearing makeup when exercising is a rookie mistake. They would look worse during and after a match if they wore it, not better. And they know it.

    [–]jimmybrite 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I know he's potsed a lot but I can never get enough of him and it is relevant here.

    Patrice O'Neal on Tyra Banks Part 1 Part 2

    Not sure if he says it in those clips but he mentions how Tyra is a goofy looking chick.

    [–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    There can never be enough Patrice here.

    [–][deleted]  (16 children)

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      [–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (6 children)

      its my understanding that the designers want human coathangers. if the chick is hot it takes away from the genius of the artists that made the clothes. So, thats why you have the heroine chic thing

      [–]DrXaos 27 points28 points  (0 children)

      It's more practical: thin people are thin in the same way. People with more weight are weightier in different ways, so either the clothes designers have to tailor to a specific person or tailor to the known generic standard.

      [–]2IVIaskerade -1 points0 points  (3 children)

      It's also to do with how bodies look on camera. A 5'8" man who weighs 160lbs and isn't muscular will look slimmer on camera than a 5'8" man who's 160lbs at 8% body fat.

      Ignore that. I meant to say that given two people who are the same size, one who is muscular and one who is soft, the muscular one will look fatter on camera.

      [–]bluedrygrass 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      No. Fat weights less than muscles, so a lean 160 lbs man will look slimmer than a fat 160 lbs one.

      [–]QQ_L2P 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It was meant to illustrate the point that a mesomorph will never look as slim as an ectomorph. And considering the point of a model is to show off the clothes, you don't want someone who will fill it out in a way other than a coathanger.

      [–]HalfysReddit 50 points51 points  (6 children)

      Model are chosen for how they look on camera, people on camera look different than they do in person. You don't have any depth perception to go by, so details such as how rake thin they are aren't as apparent.

      It's not some conspiracy about gay men having an agenda within the modeling industry, trust that their agenda is the same as any other entrepreneur's: make money.

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        [–]HalfysReddit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I imagine it's because masculine features are typically very defined and photo well. Things like a strong jaw or eyebrows cast heavy shadows, whereas softer features may get lost in that media.

        But whatever the reason behind it, it works. Companies spend absurd amounts of money marketing their products, and they typically only do so after having invested significant resources in figuring out what marketing works. Somehow that industry, over the course of years of progress and refinement, has figured out that the models we use in modern times are the most effective at doing what is needed.

        Or try thinking about it this way - they got you talking about them. Those features put those models on your mind. Not being forgotten is the first step in marketing - your advertisements have accomplished nothing if they don't affect people's behavior. But here we are, talking about chicks that make a shit-ton of money for their looks and if they're really all that good-looking.

        [–]Fetish_Goth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It's probably the way that it is for the sake of consistency at this point. Lots of industry is like that. Things are done the way they are done today because that is how it was always done. If one agency changed, it would be disastrous for that agency. They all would have to change, which is unlikely. I don't know a ton about it, but it seems like a very insular community where everyone competes to be the least different.

        [–]PeteMullersKeyboard 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        This. Let's all remember to use logic and rationality here.

        [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        Word. It's not like gays are plotting to put skinny broads in the pictures, it's just that skinny broads sell more whatever because Anerican women are fat so they think buying tampax or Noxema or whatever will make them skinny.

        Countries where hunger is a big issue tend to use meatier girls.

        [–]hirjd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That demographic isn't, uh, profitable. What are they selling? Food? We use fat people to sell food here to.... Joe's fatass pig barbecue.

        [–]rattamahatta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        There's no evidence for causation but there sure is correlation.

        [–]Squeezymypenisy 5 points6 points  (3 children)

        Unless your talking glamour models like lucy pinder. I saw her in england. Damn she is fine.

        [–]octoberguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        very true. she such a good person! Have a lot of time for her and her family.

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          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          There's also the whole thing about being photogenic. There's this friend of a friend who looks great in pictures online and then when you meet her in person, you can see through it all.

          [–]Tom_The_Human 3 points4 points  (2 children)

          This is especially true in the age of social media - where your hotness is determined by the number of people who have "like" one of your pictures. I find it odd that someone can stand there, taking pictures in different poses for ages just for some social validation bs.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yeah, I agree. It's pretty dumB.

          There are times though when I feel like you just have to be a girl with a camera. Most of my guy friends have maybe 20 likes on their pro pic. Most of my girl friends (this is also regardless of attractiveness) have minimum 50+

          [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 8 points9 points  (8 children)

          I'm not a huge Gisele fan either but I certainly wouldn't place any bets against her. Somehow the entire world is in love with her look.

          Miranda Kerr is much more appealing to me. Many people think that she's the next Gisele.

          [–]faded_jester 13 points14 points  (0 children)

          Miranda Kerr is outrageously hot. (imo blows gisele out of the water so hard she would need a parachute to land safely) If there is such a thing as "too pretty"....her and Kate Beckinsale can fight it out while I watch interestedly.

          [–]Lyradex 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Lima was always the girl of my wet dreams.

          [–]NightGod 2 points3 points  (4 children)

          Eh. Miranda Kerr is objectively attractive, no doubt, but not my personal preference. I feel the same about Gisele though. I'm still waiting for a super model I find hotter than Cindy Crawford.

          [–]nrjk 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          Kathy Ireland always made my 13 year old wiener twitch a little.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Kathy Ireland is actually mega-rich as well, and she didn't make nearly as much as Gisele did during her modeling career.

          Kathy Ireland is actually a good businesswoman.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          You'll be waiting a long time.

          [–]1Halfjor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Kerr is easily the hottest in my mind.

          My last LTR looked like a cross of 65% Miranda Kerr / 35% Mila Kunis. Favorite look in the fucking world.

          [–]1pecman 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          Models, unless they're beauty models, aren't meant to look hot. They're meant to be very aesthetically pleasing, symmetrical but overall quite unremarkable as to not take away from the products they're wearing/advertising.

          [–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

          Did you really just come up with all of that in your head and then spout it as fact?

          edit: the disagreement is hilarious as if i am not factually correct. ive been in the industry, and even if i hadnt the model selection isnt based around whether or not they are "hot" and someone who is attractive might get turned away

          [–]bluedrygrass 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=27&v=43q_unEjvPk

          This is the youtube video linked in the article.

          Skip to 0:26 and pause. How can anyone find that thing the best looking woman in the world.

          Without lipstick and mascara you'd have an hard time discerning her from a boy.

          I'd argue her biggest asset are her lusty cold eyes.

          She gives the impression to have seen some some hundreds of pounds of cocks.

          Also, in general, models aren't picked strictly for their beauty, but often for their particularity.

          If they are good looking and weird looking, like Gisele that looks like a spynx cat (the naked race of cats), they have a better chance to be picked than if they are good looking but average.

          [–]nrjk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I'm with you. Her face is too angular for my tastes, or something like that. I genuinely prefer authenticity and a lot of models on mags/photos don't do much for me. On a related note, I prefer amateur/vintage porn to super clean, well produced stuff. I like dat real shits.

          [–]evileddy 4 points5 points  (4 children)

          [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 3 points4 points  (3 children)

          Many of them have nice juggs, all of them have the thousand cock stare. The only appealing one is the brunette in the middle.

          [–]evileddy -1 points0 points  (2 children)

          Fake juggs.. so even that is fake.

          [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Fake boobs look good in a shirt or bra, just keep that on while you fuck them.

          [–]evileddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'd never see her boobs because I'm an ass man and she's face down ass up.. that's the way I enjoy having sex.

          [–]_fappycamper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I thought I was alone on that one...

          [–]AntixD 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          so how do you take care of your brain?

          [–]faded_jester 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          education mostly...the brain is similar in some ways to muscle...generally the more you use it the better....constant stimulation helps improve function and memory....proper nutrition helps also

          [–]AntixD 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          elaborate on nutrition for me please,for brain

          [–]faded_jester 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          google brain food

          there are also certain supplements that have been shown to increase brain health and cognitive function

          I'm not a doctor so I would maybe search around the internet for reputable sources. I'm sure there are a lot of quack people making all sorts of claims.

          [–]suloco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You're not the only one. I like women with big tits, slim waist and nice round ass. She has a body like a ladder, no curves, nothing.

          Just low fat will not make you hot. And face? Idk not my type.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 22 points23 points  (1 child)

          Relevant comment about this exact matter from a while back - for every success, there's SJWs and other ham-planets claiming it oppresses them. Unsurprisingly, like most concepts to circle the drain of the internet: 4Chan called it first.

          [–]usul1628 52 points53 points  (21 children)

          Let's be fair, Gisele of course won the lottery when it comes to natural gifts. But dozens of people win the lottery every day. She's put in the effort to achieve and maintain the peak of human beauty for years now. She took risks to break into the industry, and then innovated within the field to get huge riches. I'm not saying she's some example of hard work conquering all, I'm just saying the last two zeroes on her net worth wasn't earned by beauty alone.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 47 points48 points  (13 children)

          I don't know much about her history but it seems she was discovered in a shopping mall by some talent scouts when she was a teenager. This seems even easier than winning the lottery - at least with the lottery, you have to go out and buy the ticket. And innovation? Not her job. She just has to hit the gym, eat right, and take care of herself.

          You're right though, she probably does have a better work ethic than most other top models, and maybe she has had to build a licensing company as well.

          [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (10 children)

          Let me put it like this. Every year 100 guys are born with Michael Jordan aptitude for basketball.

          Of those, MAYBE one of them will sit outside for 5 hours a day every day since 12 practicing free throws and off hand dribbles. Even then they have to dodge getting killed by a drunk driver or injuring themselves to have a chance to make it.

          This applies to everything. Life is a mix of luck and persistence. Everyone at the top of their field had an abnormal amount of luck in their life to get there. However 0% of the people who lacked persistence and discipline got anywhere closs to the top.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana -1 points0 points  (9 children)

          You make a good point. Persistence is certainly part of the equation.

          Let's look at how hard she has to work in relative terms. Mike Tyson, for example, has made almost as much money over his career as Gisele, and was just as dominant in his career.

          In order for Mike Tyson to make his money, he had to train like hell (check him out doing neck bridges if there is any doubt) and then he had to go get frickin' punched in the face by the best boxers in the world, and he had to do this over and over again. True, there were times when he made millions in just a few minutes, but behind those few minutes were months/years of hard training.

          Gisele just has to hit the gym and do some cardio, watch her diet, and take care of her skin. Then she sits there and gets made up and photographed or struts down the runway in some high heels.

          To be fair, not many people have had to work as hard as Mike Tyson, but most of them have probably had to work harder than Gisele. She's probably had to work some long hours doing modeling, but this pales in comparison to cramming all night for an exam.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

          Her entire career pales in comparison to cramming for an exam? Jesus

          If you're cramming it's because you don't have work ethic and wait until the last minute to poorly do things. Cramming is also an insanely simple task. Ask any high school or college student, they all cram for certain things, and therefore have already worked harder than her? I've worked in this industry, I'm telling you modelling is not easy, 99% of them make shit money and don't last as well. You have no facts or logical argument on your side, you're just taking a biased viewpoint and claiming a woman doesn't have the ability to work hard.

          You think the models body is a easy task achieved by selfies and a few situps? Idk what you look like, but a lot of them work harder than most guys in the gym. But no, according to you all she has to do is show up to a photo shoot and look pretty and boom you're in the top percent of wealth. Gisele is successful because of her looks, ethic, sense, AND modelling ability. We talk about basketball and mj, like because it's modelling it's not something you can be world class at. But at the end of the day this is all just "putting on some heels and walking down a runway" to you because you are absolutely ignorant of the world around you.

          Basically your entire viewpoint is inaccurate but good try kiddo. I'm sure you're a super hard worker with 2 PhDs and the physique of a bodybuilder

          [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 0 points1 point  (7 children)

          Her entire career pales in comparison to cramming for an exam? Jesus

          Argument from incredulity isn't going to help you here.

          If you're cramming it's because you don't have work ethic and wait until the last minute to poorly do things.

          It might mean you're a poor planner. Or it might mean that your exam is really hard and you have to study for it.

          Cramming is also an insanely simple task. Ask any high school or college student, they all cram for certain things, and therefore have already worked harder than her?

          Yep, because she didn't have to go to university to get a degree in modeling, and even if she did, it probably wouldn't be a terribly difficult degree.

          People with normal careers, such as nurses, have to study for years, and then once they're done, they have to work hard to apply what they've learned.

          I've worked in this industry, I'm telling you modelling is not easy, 99% of them make shit money and don't last as well.

          It is definitely difficult to succeed in modeling, and part of the reason is that almost any normal person could do the job and there's only so much room at the top. You can try to work harder and smarter to distinguish yourself but ultimately you'll fail if you don't have the right genetics. Another example of this: It’s Harder to Get a Job at Walmart Than It Is to Get Into Harvard.

          Also, 99% of the planet makes shit money.

          You have no facts or logical argument on your side, you're just taking a biased viewpoint and claiming a woman doesn't have the ability to work hard.

          Where do I claim that a woman doesn't have the ability to work hard? I see hard-working women every day. Even kindergarten teachers work pretty hard.

          You think the models body is a easy task achieved by selfies and a few situps? Idk what you look like, but a lot of them work harder than most guys in the gym. But no, according to you all she has to do is show up to a photo shoot and look pretty and boom you're in the top percent of wealth.

          According to this article, Gisele does Kung Fu 3x per week and then "stays active" with various activities such as yoga and pilates. I saw another article which says she goes to cardio class several times per week, and that she doesn't have a strict diet. This is not exactly Rocky-level training.

          Gisele is successful because of her looks, ethic, sense, AND modelling ability. We talk about basketball and mj, like because it's modelling it's not something you can be world class at. But at the end of the day this is all just "putting on some heels and walking down a runway" to you because you are absolutely ignorant of the world around you.

          Sure there are skills when it comes to modeling. To compare it to the training that MJ had to go through in high school, college, and the NBA is laughable. There are supermodels that are frickin' 16 years old, how much training did they have to go through?

          Basically your entire viewpoint is inaccurate but good try kiddo. I'm sure you're a super hard worker with 2 PhDs and the physique of a bodybuilder

          Being condescending and sarcastic also isn't going to help you here, "kiddo".

          [–]SadBlondeChick 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          That's what she's supposed to say. You know how JLaw talks about how she just loooves pizza and never works out? All celebs slightly do that, to seem relatable and so if someone tries it at home they don't get hurt. And to hide their own secret weapons.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Her physique is consistent with what she says she does for her workouts.

          If Jamie Eason said the same thing, I'd be more suspicious.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          It's not a statement of incredulity, and cramming isn't an issue of "must be a hard exam!". Cramming is lack of discipline and planning, and is proven to not be an effective form of retaining knowledge (so in the end, absolutely useless except for helping you get a piece of paper). If it's so easy to make it like Gisele, why haven't you? Why haven't all the other models, especially the ones who are arguably more attractive? I also love the discrediting of the model industry. You honestly believe the only reason it's tough is due to dilution? What do you do for a living? Because I bet it is an easily replaceable job that could and would be done by a robot if it were not going to cause an economic collapse. Most peoples jobs are just a way for the system to keep going, but people like to think their degree and the fact that they woke up at 6am every day their entire lives means they are irreplaceable, and that they have actually benefited society in some way that their absence hasn't.

          I also didn't know I was talking to a pop journalist who tries using clickbait as a statistical source, and then believes this source is actually relevant to career dilution. "Yoooo its harder to get into Walmart than Harvard because in this one isolated incident of a Walmart that had a lower hiring percentage then Harvards acceptance rate!" If 23,000 people apply for something that has only 600 openings, then no shit the hiring rate is going to be very low, I don't need an article making dubious conclusions to know that the economic state of the country is fucked. However, this is supposed to be indicative of modeling? Tell me what career these days doesn't have the issue of an insanely higher number of applicants to positions, and since I'm talking to you I expect a buzzfeed article about an extremely obscure job that happens to be momentarily understaffed. This is how capitalism works. People have to be at the bottom for the people at the top to actually have value. Debt has to exist for money to actually have value.

          And I know there are people in the NBA who don't know what hard work is, alongside many of other athletes. I mean it's easy to be born genetically gifted, be put on the most expensive to get on teams, have your parents push sports over school, get away with failing in high school because youre the star, and get into college for free. Its exactly the reason so many people hate Duke.

          The real point here is you claim the average person has worked harder than Gisele, and that even the basic task of cramming is harder than her career. You know the walk isnt easy? Ask any girl to attempt it, and their "model walk" will be absolutely shit. Tell them to do it in heels and they'll probably break their necks. Even if they do it well (which they won't), I guarantee they don't have the posture or confidence for a designer to give them their clothes and send them down a runway. They just don't. You know the guys who are just better than everyone? The natural alpha? We talk about it a lot here on trp, but the point is we read this shit and talk about it even though the "Chad" does it anyway without thinking, and you'll never be this person naturally. It's the same way. To make it to the top tiers of modelling their is no faking or training thats going to help you, just as no faking or training is going to make me an NBA star.

          And what exactly did MJ go through? Basketball wasn't even his primary concern in High School, so its not like he spent his entire life training and taking jump shots until 1am.

          "99% of people make shit money". And most people don't know what hard work is either. But you're forgetting the statement you made. "Most people work harder than Gisele". Most people can't even work for two hours straight without checking facebook and shoving a candy bar down their gullet so I don't know what utopia you live in.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Let me help you out by breaking your wall of text into paragraphs.

          It's not a statement of incredulity, and cramming isn't an issue of "must be a hard exam!". Cramming is lack of discipline and planning, and is proven to not be an effective form of retaining knowledge (so in the end, absolutely useless except for helping you get a piece of paper).

          "Jesus!" is a statement of incredulity.

          Sure, it may not be the most effective way of learning, but it's not easy.

          If it's so easy to make it like Gisele, why haven't you?

          Because I wasn't born with her genetics.

          Why haven't all the other models, especially the ones who are arguably more attractive?

          Because models are "chosen" by king/queenmakers. What matters is what is attractive to them.

          I also love the discrediting of the model industry. You honestly believe the only reason it's tough is due to dilution?

          Yes. If there were millions of supermodel openings, it would be a lot easier for sure. I don't think the work is terribly difficult.

          What do you do for a living? Because I bet it is an easily replaceable job that could and would be done by a robot if it were not going to cause an economic collapse.

          What does this have to do with the argument? Trying for some ad hominem?

          Most peoples jobs are just a way for the system to keep going, but people like to think their degree and the fact that they woke up at 6am every day their entire lives means they are irreplaceable, and that they have actually benefited society in some way that their absence hasn't.

          I don't necessarily disagree with you here, but you're starting to go off-topic.

          I also didn't know I was talking to a pop journalist who tries using clickbait as a statistical source, and then believes this source is actually relevant to career dilution. "Yoooo its harder to get into Walmart than Harvard because in this one isolated incident of a Walmart that had a lower hiring percentage then Harvards acceptance rate!" If 23,000 people apply for something that has only 600 openings, then no shit the hiring rate is going to be very low, I don't need an article making dubious conclusions to know that the economic state of the country is fucked. However, this is supposed to be indicative of modeling?

          Yes. Clickbait or not, it was a factual article. The whole point is that if the barrier for entry is low, you're going to have a ton of people applying and not many making it through, or in the case of modeling, a ton of people who are paid very little, and a very few, who are chosen, at the top.

          Tell me what career these days doesn't have the issue of an insanely higher number of applicants to positions, and since I'm talking to you I expect a buzzfeed article about an extremely obscure job that happens to be momentarily understaffed.

          Nurses. They are in very high demand and there aren't enough nurses to fill all positions. Why? Because it requires a degree that requires hard training. The barrier for entry is high and the work is tough, unlike modeling.

          There are many other similar careers where the barrier for entry is high, the work is very hard, or both.

          This is how capitalism works. People have to be at the bottom for the people at the top to actually have value. Debt has to exist for money to actually have value.

          Again I don't disagree but you're going off-topic again.

          And I know there are people in the NBA who don't know what hard work is, alongside many of other athletes. I mean it's easy to be born genetically gifted, be put on the most expensive to get on teams, have your parents push sports over school, get away with failing in high school because youre the star, and get into college for free. Its exactly the reason so many people hate Duke.

          The NBA is very competitive, even though the barrier for entry is extremely high. You have to be well-trained to go up against 250+ pound athletes. Sure, the people who make it had advantages, but it doesn't mean they didn't train very hard.

          The real point here is you claim the average person has worked harder than Gisele, and that even the basic task of cramming is harder than her career. You know the walk isnt easy? Ask any girl to attempt it, and their "model walk" will be absolutely shit. Tell them to do it in heels and they'll probably break their necks. Even if they do it well (which they won't), I guarantee they don't have the posture or confidence for a designer to give them their clothes and send them down a runway. They just don't. You know the guys who are just better than everyone? The natural alpha? We talk about it a lot here on trp, but the point is we read this shit and talk about it even though the "Chad" does it anyway without thinking, and you'll never be this person naturally. It's the same way. To make it to the top tiers of modelling their is no faking or training thats going to help you, just as no faking or training is going to make me an NBA star.

          So here you're making my point for me. You're saying that training doesn't matter, you have to be born with it. It's all about your genetics and not hard work.

          And what exactly did MJ go through? Basketball wasn't even his primary concern in High School, so its not like he spent his entire life training and taking jump shots until 1am.

          He went through decades of training and slamming into massive strong dudes tasked with guarding him.

          "99% of people make shit money". And most people don't know what hard work is either. But you're forgetting the statement you made. "Most people work harder than Gisele". Most people can't even work for two hours straight without checking facebook and shoving a candy bar down their gullet so I don't know what utopia you live in.

          The utopia I live in is a world where you need money to purchase food and shelter, and you need to work to make money. And you think supermodels don't check facebook?

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Once again you are forgetting that you said "most people" work harder than Gisele. And when I ask what you do it wasn't a setup against you, it was for you to reflect on whether or not you're accredited to even make such a statement. I mean you have yet to make a viable comparison as to these mass amounts of people working harder than Gisele. Let's look at where your position falls:

          -Only hard part about being a model is that so many people want to be models

          -Low barrier of entry

          -No hard work. All you need is the genetics. However, if you are in the NBA it is genetics AND hard work because you're getting slammed by big dudes. Gisele gets slammed by big dudes too, what now MJ? I just mean being 6ft 6in is different than being 5ft 4in and having to overtake these defenders. I'm not going to deny the work put in, but since you honestly believe the worlds top supermodels don't have to/dont know how to work hard, then you can't say NBA players work hard, because it's essentially the same circumstances. "Gisele has people under her who do all the business, etc." And NBA players don't? NBA players are sure known for their business and money management skills! Better yet though, basketball is not known for it's hard workers. The average high school wrestler in a state finals match has worked harder in a month than the average basketball player will in their accumulative lifetime.

          You say: "The utopia I live in is a world where you need money to purchase food and shelter, and you need to work to make money". But, that makes zero sense given your argument and let me avert you to a statement you made several times: "you're going off-topic". What are you trying to say by your Utopia where people work for food? That had no logical association to what I had said. Given your version of Utopia, Gisele falls into the category of "hard worker" because she "works to make money". this money that "you need to purchase food and shelter". You keep mentioning that I'm off topic but then making points with no pertinence, almost like a failed straw man. "Supermodels don't check facebook?". Yeah man, that's definitely the argument I am making! Why don't you reread it and try to equate the words with the context and come back to me when youve figured out the elementary skill of literary comprehension. Seriously, considering you think all usage of "jesus" is in a manner of legitimate disbelief. There is no pejorative use such as, "Jesus, you are an idiot". Sarcasm? Because you're right, I can't believe somebody actually made an argument that states cramming for an exam is a difficult task and not something lazy people do to scrape through college and highschool. You honestly believe you have a solid argument there and that I am the one "arguing from incredulity" as if I don't know what the fuck cramming is? Nah, you're right though! Really I'm telling you that you can't prove how hard cramming is, it's not real, and that you are wrong simply because I don't believe you. Not because cramming just, isn't hard? I find it odd that you're so heavily defending the act of cramming for an exam like it is the act that separates boys from men. You know I just read an article that the new Navy Seals training is just a 2 week long cram sesh. Only the strong will survive.

          That "youre making my point for me" line was my favorite. I was using your rhetoric to make conclusions (in hopes you will see that your original point is nonsensical), and you agreed with that outcome, yet not the one I drew it from, because you lack the ability to comprehend viewpoints that are not yours.

          Also, nurses are essentially as accredited as a gas station attendant. The schooling is bs, getting a job is easy, and the job itself is disgusting so the colleges have to recruit young and find morons willing to do it under the guise that they are bettering society. I don't give a fuck what kind of work they have to do, "hard work" stops mattering when you are doing moronic shit. I could stay up for 4 days straight off cocaine and dig a hole in my backyard the entire time. Sure, I am working hard, but that doesn't equate to benefit or the fact that I'm not an idiot. But when I die my friends can say "he was a hard worker" and everyone will talk about how great of a guy I was. Who is going to wipe shit off peoples ass and give you an IV without the glorious Nurses? Just because it's somewhat "needed" doesn't mean it's not moronic. I needed a cheeseburger once, and I went to McDonalds. That doesn't make the fry cook a worthwhile human being. What point are you trying to make when you keep bringing up nurses? Are you dating a nurse?

          Also, congrats to you for splitting my comments into paragraphs, I use the mobile app on my phone so it's more effort than its worth.

          [–]marketinequality 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          She is actually a decent business woman and earned a lot of her wealth by investing in the companies that hired her and by building her brand.

          [–]Upvote_To_The_Left -1 points0 points  (5 children)

          I agree. She used her genetic gifts as a springboard. And you're right. There are tons of hit girls born every day that won't account to shit.

          Hard work is fucking key. Genetics play a small role. But hard work is what really counts.

          [–]king_of_red_alphas 19 points20 points  (3 children)

          Genetics play a "small" role? ... In modeling?

          [–]Upvote_To_The_Left 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          in something like modeling i'll admit they play a big role.

          But in a lot of other things they dont.

          [–]cdogg75 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I agree. There are definitely hotter models out there, that are broke as fuck or just getting by.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          I'm not sure if I'm doing well or not by never having heard of her.

          [–]NightGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I'm not sure if well/poorly is a measure I would use for not having heard of Gisele. Perhaps a bit disconnected from reality, or at least from Western culture. That can be good or bad, depending on your lifestyle.

          [–]bluedrygrass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I'd say you're doing good. You're not missing out on an outstanding actor in a timeless movie or a once in a lifetime athlete.

          [–]Reddthrown 53 points54 points  (25 children)

          That thread is hilarious - it's about "when did you realise you were attractive", but the only upvoted comments are from delusional unattractive people who "were ugly until their 20s but became attractive" or "are attractive but don't feel that way" - i.e. your average joe (with pictures to prove it in some cases).

          I've seen what the life of an extremely attractive person is, and when they realise it - as soon as they hit puberty. My sister was extremely attractive. When she turned 13, she got invited by the coolest people to go clubbing every night, and to expensive holidays during school breaks. Every single birthday during her teen years, her room was literally filled with expensive flower bouquets (we're talking at least 30 large bouquets). In her 20s, she got asked out and taken out by reasonably famous people. When you walk with her in the street, random people (both male and female) just smile at her. I don't think she has ever had to carry her suitcase on/off a train or in an overhead locker (her words: "there's always a prince charming").

          Yet she turned all her suitors down - she was seeking perfection. She recently turned to God and very seriously attempted to be a nun, but that was not for her. Now she's getting older (34), and I worry about her - she will never find the perfection she seeks, her looks are slowly fading (mind you, she's aging well), and she thinks the world is a much kinder place than it really is.

          Edit: WTF - askreddit is now private?

          [–]Rathadin[S] 27 points28 points  (11 children)

          Hah... man... you know what? You're absolutely right though.

          I had a similar experience in life. My baby sister is classically Americana attractive. 5' 4", long blonde hair, huge green eyes, a smile that's all pearly white teeth.

          And it was the exact same. Soon as she got to high school as a freshman, all the seniors were trying to date her. She was invited to every party, etc. We grew up in a small town of 4000, where everyone knows everyone, so she was fairly limited as it was also a fairly poor area in one of the poorest states.

          However, she moved to Mobile, Alabama for a job, and she was chased by suitors who were wealthy, many of them rich guys who were in line to inherit Daddy's money and a position in his company, if they didn't already have it. Same shit... she was waiting for Mr. Perfect. The guy who was on her level in looks, etc. Most of this occurred while I was being deployed across the globe in the Navy, right about the time I discovered RP and PUA, which I found simultaneously, so I wouldn't have been in a position to explain anything to her anyway.

          Now she's hit the 30s... baby rabies has spread and is now fully blown. She's since moved to Florida, in a very wealthy area, and she's fallen for a pretty good guy. He's the traditional tall, dark, and handsome. He doesn't really make a lot of money for that area, but he has a super cool job, imo, which is Project Manager for a large construction company that builds multi-million dollar homes for HNW and UHNW individuals.

          Depending on your outlook, its kind of sad, because even last year, she turned down a guy that I investigated a bit... he was a 48 year old hedge fund manager worth about $60 million. Not going to win any beauty contests, and a little chubby, but holy shit, the gym and better eating can fix that, which he even admitted to her that he was willing to do. Still turned him down...

          I don't really know what's worse... the fact she passed on a $30 million pay day after a few kids and 10 years of marriage, or the fact this guy has plenty of cash and still sees pussy as a scarce resource. Don't misunderstand, I love my baby sister... but straight up, I would fuck Oprah every goddamn day for a decade for $30 million...

          [–]RemyPrice 7 points8 points  (9 children)

          I would fuck Oprah every goddamn day for a decade for $30 million...

          Money is not that important.

          [–]Rathadin[S] 17 points18 points  (8 children)

          Money gives you freedom, my man... and when you hit around the 30 million to 100 million mark, you're pretty much free from the constraints of work. You can follow your passion.

          [–]Reddthrown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Money makes things easy. My own view is that as soon as you have about $5,000 of spending money every month, you can do whatever you like as long as you don't want the most expensive option all the time. That's a lot, but a lot less than $30million.

          [–]ArcadesRed 1 point2 points  (5 children)

          I agree except for the amount. 30+mill is more "I can do whatever I want all the time" not I dont need to work anymore.

          [–]Rathadin[S] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

          Most people would think that... but here's the deal.

          Awhile back, there was a thread on AskReddit entitled, "What do insanely wealthy people buy, that normal people know nothing about?"

          A throwaway poster talked about the different tiers of wealth and how life changes. They basically break down as follows:

          • $0 - $10,000,000 - Nothing much changes, except you have all essentials of everyday life met. You are not secure yet.
          • $10,000,000 - $30,000,000 - Lifelong financial independence starts to become a real, obtainable dream. This can be wiped out with poor investment.
          • $30,000,000 - $300,000,000 - You are financially secure. Barring major radical social and political change that results in a collapsed country, you can do whatever you want, for the rest of your life.
          • $300,000,000 - $1,000,000,000 - Amazingly, he said nothing much changes, as whatever you can afford at $300 million, you can afford at $1 billion.
          • $10,000,000,000 and upwards - Head of State type lifestyle. You are peer to Princes and Presidents. Massive influence, etc.

          He gets more detailed, of course. Since AskReddit is on lockdown I cannot link to it. That said, this has been my tangential experience working at an upscale casino. Every so often we get a billionaire in, and their lifestyle is hilarious... I've had guests leave a $100,000 watch on the poker table after a night of hard drinking and gambling, and forget about it the next morning. Even if you have $30,000,000, you'll feel the sting of losing a $100 grand.

          But when you have $20 billion? You can go buy a dozen and its a week's worth of investment.

          [–]ArcadesRed 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          You misunderstand what I meant a bit. What I said was for me. With the interest off of 30mil. I could do what I wanted with my life for the rest of it. I dont need insane wealth, nor do I want what comes with it. I already live off of less than a third of what I make. And I do make quite a bit. I think a problem we see these days are people who are worst at spending or keeping there money are the ones we are exposed to the most. I have no desire for a rock star life style. Let alone the life of a prince. And anyone saying it takes 30 million to have a financially independent life has very little touch with reality.

          [–]Rathadin[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          And anyone saying it takes 30 million to have a financially independent life has very little touch with reality.

          I disagree. What if you get a life-threatening form of cancer that requires expensive experimental drugs and treatments? You'll be surprised how quickly those medical bills can rack up, and just what the costs are...

          Generally, when people are planning out their life, they tend to consider only expenses that they're incurring at the moment.

          What happens if, for some reason, you need a caregiver to help you live somewhat independently in the final 20 years of your life? Versus being shuffled off to some nursing home or retirement community? Even if its a nice retirement community with round-the-clock nurses, golf courses, chefs and a cafeteria, etc. Something like that is expensive. There's apparently a retirement community like that down in Florida that's around $15,000 a month. $30 million can go fast when you're dropping $180 grand a year to live in comfort, security, and with medical attention at your beck & call.

          The sad part is that expenses go up as you near the end of your life, not down. Its a good thing that you're living off 1/3rd your salary, as this is what I also do. I'm heavily invested in stocks and bonds, but I'd like to branch into real estate, although my ultimate goal is to start my own business that I can eventually hand off the reins to someone else to manage.

          A few people get lucky, and remain strong and hearty throughout life - my uncle is one of them. He is 84, and retired after owning a business for 30 years. He sold it to his daughter in a structured payment plan. The last time I went to visit him, way out in his country estate, I found him walking around his lake, shooting at snakes with his 12 gauge shotgun slung over one shoulder, and his rifle in his hands.

          We should all be so lucky... He also married a woman 25 years younger than him, but that's to be expected when you're a multi-millionaire, I should hope.

          [–]ArcadesRed 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I am not trying to be disrespectful in this reply. But all of your argument, how do people making 35k a year do those things now? Every argument you gave was so outside the realm of sanity to be a joke. 15k a month retirement home. You could remain in your own home and hire a full time nurse for a third of that. A cancer that you not only not have no insurance for, but somehow costs 30+ million to treat. At that price it most likely has almost no chance of working, and your standard of life would be so low I would not presue it. Your argument so far has been that to do as you please with your life you must have so much money and power to make reality bend to your will. If I acquire enough money in my life to be able to go and eat and experience withing a reasonable scope life. Then I have reached the amount of money I desire. I have at no point in my life desired so much that I needed body guards and my choices affected millions. But your argument keeps drifting in that direction. If you could promise me 150k each year for the rest of my life. That is more than enough for all my dreams. I could die, of the 30million dollar cancer, with a smile on my face. Free falling from a plane, happy all the way to the ground when the pain got to much to live my life with. You keep arguing for being as rich as you can, not having the money to enjoy your life as much as you can.

          [–]RemyPrice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I can do whatever I want (follow my passion) and I'm not a millionaire, "my man."

          I'm free from constraints with much less money in the bank, and I don't have to give up my self-respect to do so.

          [–]Reddthrown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Well, at least she's looking to settle down. Mine is still looking for a convent to join (which is frankly not what anyone wished for her).

          [–]NightGod 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          WTF - askreddit is now private?

          Part of the protest for Reddit firing Victoria, the girl that used to facilitate all the celebrity AMAs.

          [–]Fapplemage 0 points1 point  (10 children)

          i must admit that reading posts like these make me feel depressed and intimidated. how should i ever compete for such a woman? if i want an attractive woman in my life, then what are the chances? i am in the process of improving myself, but i am in my 30s and still a virgin with a ton of harsh issues. on the other hand i see so many posts and reports about how it's all in the confidence and personality. also what's the point in having such a woman if she is going to be bombarded by approaches and offers from other men? it all feels so ambivalent. does someone know this sentiment and can offer a comment on it?

          [–]2IVIaskerade 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          how should i ever compete for such a woman

          Easily. If you watch RSDTodd's interview with Erika Jordan, she says that people assume that because she's hot she is unavailable or doing something fun, and so don't interact with her. The problem is that everyone thinks like this, so she doesn't get as much attention as people think.

          So when a girl wants to know why you think you're in her league, you let her know that not only are you above her league, you're also the only one with the balls to actually talk to her.

          [–]Fapplemage 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          i know about this social dynamic, and i've heard it often and it makes a lot of sense - however it contradicts what the other posters were saying in this thread. the women do get attention and are being talked to all the time, being showered in attention and so on. if it were like you said it wouldn't be a big issue for me because i know how things works and what i could do about it. but it looks like things are not like this at all. any thoughts?

          [–]2IVIaskerade 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          There's attention and there's attention.

          They're being showered in attention, true, but the key word here is shower, not attention. Just like a shower, it all quickly runs off, never to be seen again, and a few minutes later you're dry with all memory of the wetness of the shower gone.

          What you provide is more refreshing, more invigorating. You provide that large cup of cool water on a hot day, the one that will be wistfully recalled every time you grudgingly accept a miserly cup of lukewarm pop from other so-called hosts.

          [–]1needathrowawayplease 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          You only ask such a question because of your inexperience.

          The truth is you will never get such a woman. You won't.

          But the other truth here is that even being with a pleasant 6 is a very happy life. And you haven't even experienced that so you don't even realise how great it is.

          I really suggest you get your shit together and do whatever you need to do in order to experience that.

          As a 30 year old virgin you should really be disregarding 90% of the advice here about oneitis, plate spinning, avoiding becoming attached, etc. and just focus on the self-improvement and taking risks (asking a girl out, going for a kiss, asking her to go back to your place, kissing her some more, etc. etc. proceed to sex). You don't even realize the happiness that a simple long-term-relationship with a slightly cute girl can bring you.

          [–]nrjk 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          If youre a 30 plus virgin, take some of that money you haven't wasted on women and go find a high class prostitute, learn some shit, gain confidedence.

          [–]Fapplemage 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          that would destroy me for good.

          [–]PumpDumpPumpDump 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Hire a hooker.

          Seriously. If you can make a couple of grand, you can sleep with any of the porn stars you're masturbating to right now and with most models.

          If you can make a couple hundred bucks, you can get someone who looks the same but isn't famous.

          If you're a virgin at 30, it's not ever going to just happen. Women can pick up on insecurity and nervousness, and they'll blow you out of the water if they suspect it. Just go ahead and get it over with. A hooker won't care. Once you've slept with a few dozen 9's and 10's, they'll be off their pedestal for good, and your confidence issues will be gone.

          [–]Reddthrown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Why don't you start with someone in your league and work your way up?

          [–][deleted]  (6 children)

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          [–]PlanB_pedofile 3 points4 points  (2 children)

          Drinking beer, smoking, my love for pizza.

          I have no excuse for my dad bod. (More like Gorilla bod. Thick arms and hairy except on the head)

          [–]timmy2trashed 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          If you have no excuse do something about it

          [–]NightGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Kinda the same here (though with a decent amount of hair on my head still and minus the smoking). Fortunately, I put on muscle like I put on table muscle, so I don't lose too much as long as I maintain a baseline of effort and don't go full-retard on the indulging.

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          I see no assumption, that attractive people aren't qualified. I read the assumptions that it is easier to get a job while being unqualified, because of being attractive. At princip, equally qualified would mean the mire attractive person gets the job.

          [–]1GroundhogLiberator 17 points18 points  (7 children)

          "What's in a name? That which we call a rose

          By any other name would smell as sweet"

          A pill by any other color?

          [–]Lt_Muffintoes 10 points11 points  (3 children)

          That's not actually true. The price of something strongly affects how you perceive it. I imagine the name does too.

          Dress up red pill wisdom as feminist drivel and it may slip through.

          [–]ILoveSunflowers 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Smells change based on their brand name?

          [–]Lt_Muffintoes 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Look up the wine price experiment. Notice how I said "I imagine".

          [–]ILoveSunflowers -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          Notice how I asked a question?

          [–]timmy2trashed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          By any other name would still have thorns as sharp

          [–]Ragerz78 13 points14 points  (2 children)

          This is basically my interpretation of what TRP actually is, not the woman-hating, misogynistic hate group the typical redditor makes it out to be.

          [–]newls 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          It is better for people to dismiss TRP as a silly group of neckbeard virgins, than to see it as the genuine threat to the feminist-controlled world that it really is.

          [–]rpreader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yeah, as soon as the name is dropped people instantly go batshit and ignore anything else said.

          [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

          That these things don't matter is a recent concept we have invented.

          Jonathan Grey - DEAD MEN'S SECRETS is primarily a book about hidden archeology. But relevant stuff he mentions is how they supposedly have found ALOT of cosmetics from the ancient cultures which we have deemed as savages.

          Painting their nails red, wigs, fashion clothes, lipstick, herbal drops to expand pupil size, etc. The claim further goes is that they used sophisticated chemistry techniques to produce the stuff. Quality make up.

          For men they have supposedly found clothing which is eerily similar to our modern styles. Coats, hats, all similar to what our society deem classy man look.

          This in cultures where they did not have massive impressions, consumerism, etc. Looks have always been high on the list.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Stefan Molyneux also did a post on the whole women make up façade.

          [–]Windforce 12 points13 points  (4 children)

          A 20 something girl comments in the thread:

          And not to add to the cliché, but this type of thing explains the phenomenon of normal-looking dudes getting with women above their level of attractiveness. I really noticed this trend when my girlfriend was showing me pictures of all her friends from college who were getting married. The guys all looked like accountants while the females were like 7+. So this is actually a common thing in society but doesn't seem to be represented in movies and such except for comedy it seems.

          I think what she means by "look like accountants" is rich but ugly? After they ride the CC into their wall, they'll find a rich BB to marry. TRP truth, and all women know this instinctively but don't know the AF/BB terminology.

          [–]2johnnight 5 points6 points  (3 children)

          I can't decide if that counts as winning or not for the accountants.

          [–]Riddick_ 16 points17 points  (2 children)

          No man, its the Beta with a 9-5 job and 5 year old Japanese sedan that signed up to pay for divorce and disaster clean up after she (ex 7+ on the wall) fucked her 3rd gym trainer-bro-dude, and ran away with "her" Sugar-Daddy to Bahamas.

          [–]1DRMMR76 16 points17 points  (1 child)

          This does happen, but it's not always the case or even mostly the case. The other outcome, which I think is actually more common is that the ugly but rich accountant marries the 7+ who gives him wild sex, and within 6 months of signing the marriage license, she puts on 40lbs and is knocked up, maybe having starfish sex once a month while the man she "loves" is fuming and bitter and stuck jacking it to porn and wondering why his life is terrible. The man was thinking he is buying a brand new Ferrari but ended up with a Toyota Tercel with 140k+ miles on it. As soon as that knot is tied, the woman is free to stop putting any effort into anything. Sure there are the ones that stay hot and fuck Chad the gym trainer on the side, but there are just as many if not more who are more than happy to put those days completely behind them and are content with being 160lbs and doing nothing but spending their afternoons in sweatpants eating and watching Netflix while shitting out kids.

          [–]rpreader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          there are just as many if not more who are more than happy to put those days completely behind them and are content with being 160lbs and doing nothing but spending their afternoons in sweatpants eating and watching Netflix while shitting out kids.

          Ah, the American dream.

          Honestly though if I could go through life with ease and a free ride based mainly on my appearance I probably would do the same.

          [–]SpHornet 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          The problem is that people give huge weight to first impressions. We all do. If you don't, you're a liar, you do it too even if it is subconscious. It doesn't take much, it's initial impression, how they greet you, how they look, is their handshake sweaty, do they have a weird way of speaking.

          there are loads of things you don't control and say nothing about your personality, but she just happens to name all things you can work on and change. only sweaty hands im not sure, personally i have never gotten a firm sweaty handshake

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          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Thou shalt not be a fatass who has titties.

          [–]squarehead93 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Is there a link to the original thread?

          [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Apparently, every now and then, the liberal SJW brigade lets actual truth slip through, likely by accident. Lesson learned? SJW / liberal cognitive dissonance can hit a level even they can't ignore...

          Na, the guy essentially said what they are complaining about:

          So yes, it's true. Handsome and beautiful people get the world handed to them. They will get the jobs they aren't really qualified for, they will get the opportunities denied to people better suited to those goals, they will get the fame, they will get the fortune.

          I.e. the world is unfair and works in favor of pretty people. I think even SJWs can rally behind that - if only because they see it as a problem.

          [–]crixusin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          They will get the jobs they aren't really qualified for, they will get the opportunities denied to people better suited to those goals, they will get the fame, they will get the fortune.

          Had a job interview the other day (got the job), and I already knew I was going to get the job by the way I looked. People respond to the way you look. Never forget that. If you don't think it matters, you're already playing man down.

          [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (9 children)

          I reject the notion that judging someone on their appearance is superficial.

          When I see a person who is attractive and slim I see someone who likely has a high degree of self-efficacy. Lots of people start off with good genetics and end up fat and unattractive or unhappy.

          This is one of those truths that I denied myself. Why? Because women are liars and say things like looks don't really matter on a man. They probably don't matter if he has money or is a Beta Bucks willing to support her.

          But if you want her to desire you and fuck you senseless whenever you call at 2 in the morning then looks matter a lot.

          There's more to looks than just a symmetrical face and slim/fit body. There's posture, height, hair, skin. There's the way we dress and also very important is the way we speak.

          We tell someone a lot about ourselves by the way we speak. When someone says "axe" instead of "ask" I know where they come from and what kind of people tend to reside there. I know there's a lot of crime and broken homes and I don't want any of that drama.

          All that said, I don't believe that female beauty is something they are just born with. The really beautiful women aren't just winners of the genetic lottery. They work at it. To be alluring, to gain someone's attention just by walking into a room, to be otherworldly takes talent and hard work.

          We could all benefit from studying some of that ourselves.

          [–]Lt_Muffintoes 13 points14 points  (6 children)

          All that said, I don't believe that female beauty is something they are just born with

          Most women are naturally bangable. Having excess weight makes men and women's faces unattractive. All women have to do to be hot is put the fork down every now and then, but they're so entitled they can't even do that

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

          I don't disagree with this.

          My point is that there are some women who are truly beautiful. The supermodel for instance is someone who is entrancing to look at. That's not just something she's born with. It's also practice and hard work. From the way they apply makeup, to the way they pose, to knowing which side is their best. All these things make someone truly alluring and not just bangable.

          [–]king_of_red_alphas 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Come on. Learning to look sexy into a camera and hold your body in a particular position is hardly splitting the atom.

          Unless you believe magnum and blue steel can stop a shuriken.

          [–]Lt_Muffintoes 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          The difference between a 10/10 male and a 7/10 male is a ridiculous gulf, a completely different ball game (for women), whereas a 10/10 female is merely more bangable than a 7/10 one. 5/10 girls still have orbiters.

          Most men will be perfectly content with a slim 5/10 faced girl, but most women will pine for something better.

          I'll agree that beauty can be enhanced, but women really do not need it.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Isn't this really a product of availability?

          Women have more men wanting sex and therefore they can create higher standards for what they want.

          [–]Lt_Muffintoes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          There could be 10 men and 100 women on an island, and they would still compete for the hottest one.

          [–]king_of_red_alphas 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Mostly true but hair loss, skin and facial symmetry are largely (if not completely) out of a persons control.

          There's nothing "fair" about judging a person for those things.

          Weight. Posture, style and dental hygiene are anther matter though.

          [–]Awesomefusion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          imo it's a lot easier for a woman to be very attractive compared to a man, men have to work on their bodies a lot more where women can just get down to a low body fat %, put on good clothes and makeup. do the hair and shes done as long as her face looks good

          [–]d6x1 8 points9 points  (4 children)

          some of us gain weight easily

          Bullshit. Every single obese person I know eats like disgusting pig and doesn't do enough physical activity. I've seen fat people pour obscene amounts of sugar into the their coffee, even to their fruit juice. It's fucking repulsive what these people do. I don't buy the 'gain weight easily' one bit. Fuck off, learn some self control and find a treadmill, no job for you.

          [–]Rathadin[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I like TRP, but if there's one place a lot of you fuckers fail with a goddamn F-, its science.

          And what's more, these aren't new fucking findings either. Jonathan Bailor's The Smarter Science of Slim from 2012, and Dr. William Davis' Wheat Belly from 2011 go into extensive detail on how people gain weight, why its so insidious and difficult to lose, and why the bullshit people are telling you doesn't work.

          I'll sum it up because I doubt you'll read either book... if you PM me though, I'll email you a copy of both of them, surprise me, because honestly a lot of times I feel like TRPers just want to rail on and on instead of actually fixing problems... which sadly makes a lot of them more like women than actual men.

          • Some sugars have an opioid-like quality with neurotransmitters in the brain. One NIH researcher found it can more addictive than heroin.
          • The government's recommended daily food portions are hilariously wrong.
          • The type and amount of exercise recommended for weight loss by most people is also objectively wrong, proven in kinesology and biological study after study.

          And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I have since transitioned to the diet and lifestyle recommended by The Smarter Science of Slim, and I've found that I don't even have to try to keep weight off. It stays off, naturally. I do 30 minutes of HIIT per week. The rest is all weight training.

          Every single obese person I know eats like disgusting pig and doesn't do enough physical activity.

          Anecdotal evidence. The bane of logic and reason, virtues that TRP supposedly espouses. The fact of the matter is that overweight and even obese people exercise as much as, and consume as many calories as the average healthy weight person. The problem is the type of calories they consume. As you pointed out with the sugar into coffee thing, they're eating the wrong shit.

          Lastly... for anyone over 30, like myself, Metformin is a great way to keep that edge of shreddedness. Its cheap, around $23 a bottle for a month's supply, and it helps reduce insulin resistance, which is the leading cause of weight gain. My elderly mother of 64 has complained about being overweight, so we started her on Metforal 3x a day and I got her a membership to Planet Fitness and scheduled her with a trainer. She's lost 40 lbs. in 6 months and is getting back to that 5' 7" 130 lb. woman she used to be.

          [–]Jaghiro 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          You never heard about hypothyroidism, right?

          I don't want to defend the point that "Some people gain weight easily", but it is possible with hypothyroidism. But the amount of people who have this is really low.

          What I want to say: it is possible

          [–]Upvote_To_The_Left 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Anything is possible, but this is extremely uncommon and very treatable.

          The point the poster above says is that fat people have shitty eating habits. His examples are spot on. I work with obese people. Their lunch is a bag of chips, a sandwich, and a coke. That's a ton of useless carbs right they're being made into a routine for months or years. That's how you get fat.

          [–]Auphor_Phaksache 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I literally was going to make this same post but never got around to it. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed. I actually copied his comment and saved it to my Mac

          [–]Hrodrik 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Can we stop lumping leftists and liberals with SJWs please? Thank you.

          [–]Yrenq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          That whole thread was filled with comments loaded in RP truths, I was wondering how long it would take before it popped up here.

          [–]shanghaiex_pat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Can someone link to the original fucking post?

          [–]Rathadin[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          No... we cannot... because the subreddit that had it has gone private thanks to Chairman Pao.

          [–]Reanimate_87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Life is as unfair as you decide it to be for yourself. Who should you compare yourself to...? Yourself. Saying some have it easier because - insert factor out of own control - and there's another 'legit' reason not to try with every fibre of your being.

          External validation is a fine and lovely shackle, let women induldge in that like they are supposed to.

          There once was this study about kids that were often called 'smart' and just normal kids that were taught to work hard. Guess who had the hardest time with the math problems? Special snowflakes. Is being pretty a perk in life? Sure, it's nice. Is it some critical factor which controls everything? Na ah.

          Surely in certain scenes there's more weight to it, but to those that don't know better ways to further judge a person: I pity the fool. Character recognizes character. Believing and accepting you got dealt a shitty hand in the looks department, doesn't mean you cannot reach your human potential.

          [–]Transmigratory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I think these guys like to say "I did this and wow". TRP tends to point out why these things are and this upsets the SJWs.

          [–]alreadyredschool 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Life is fair, I don't understand how people can't understand this.

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          This seems very distantly related to sexual strategy if at all. Also, the idea that some people are naturally advantaged is politically incorrect / offensive only to a minute fraction of Americans, and probably even only to a minority of SJW on the internet.

          But sure, any sign of the culture (and reddit in particular) dismantling the delusion of biological egalitarianism is good.