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Men's RightsPsychologists are more likely to see a man as abusive than a woman when considering the same psychologically aggressive behavior. (self.TheRedPill)

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Summary: A study of mental health professionals in the US has shown a strong bias against men.

Body:

For 42 of 100 psychologically aggressive behaviors described, psychologists were more likely to call the behavior abusive if husband-to-wife. The remainder were neutral except one in which the gender effect was stronger for wife-to-husband.

Two separate surveys were sent to the same random sample of psychologists. First, the abusive-husband survey, then about a year later the abusive-wife survey was sent. Some of the abusive-wife surveys were returned incomplete with comments.

[A few participants] could not comprehend that females could coerce male partners into submission using only psychological tactics.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/8006596_Psychologists%27_judgments_of_psychologically_aggressive_actions_when_perpetrated_by_a_husband_versus_a_wife

This really isn't surprising, and the real-world consequences are well known. From the women-can-do-no-wrong family therapist to the psychologist testifying as an expert witness in family court, the effects are real.

Keep this in mind, but don't forget Law 38.

Lessons:

  • If you need help with mental health, choose your doctor carefully. (Always difficult.). (Edit: Psychologists are not MDs. "Doctor" is meant in the generic sense.)

  • Men are the abusers by default. Don't subject yourself to a system that's stacked against you. Don't get married.


[–]BorMato 153 points154 points  (44 children)

Women are wonderful effect is not debatable anymore. This is great evidence to support the fact that society simply does not hold women accountable like they do men.

[–]NidStyles 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You just need to watch a few TV shows to see that women are wonderful. They are always the lead masculine character these days. The men are all beta simps now.

[–]Ibex3D -3 points-2 points  (42 children)

This doesn't prove your misogynist bullshit. Obviously the therapists were predominantly male and can't see a woman as capable of abusing a male. They think of women as children. How could a child psychologically abuse its parent? This is all because of the patriarchy. Maybe if men could start seeing us AS EQUALS we could start acknowledging that women can be just as strong as men. This is why I need feminism.

Edit: Since apparently this was convincing enough to almost get me banned... /s

[–]What_The_Shoe 97 points98 points  (26 children)

Trolling: 7/8; almost took you seriously there.

[–]Ibex3D 165 points166 points  (25 children)

I wasn't actually trolling. I was trying to give an example of how feminists think.

-It makes makes and unfounded assumption like all the therapists were male(I didn't even read the article, don't know if that information is available) -Turns the fault on men -Explains how the patriarchy hurts men too -Turns the topic back onto the "victim-hood" of women in society and uses it to justify feminism

I guess I was a bit too convincing lol

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[–]GregariousWolf 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Sarcasm is best served untagged.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But not best received that way on the internet, unfortunately.

[–]Ibex3D 5 points6 points  (0 children)

At this point I dont think anything I do will save that comment lol

[–]What_The_Shoe 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I was about to give you a source to disprove that claim about male predominancy in the field; it was that authentic.

[–]Garconanokin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If anyone's interested, from the articles samples, they went 56% male and 44% female on the therapists they surveyed. . .

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I don't see how no one picked up on the sarcasm there.

[–]Disillusi0n 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I learned from day one on this site: Redditors cannot catch sarcasm without the stupid "/s" at the end of it. Even if you're being super outlandish and no normal human would ever take you seriously, redditors will.

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[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See: Sheldon Cooper. "That was sarcasm, wasn't it? Oh, goody! I'm three for three this week!"

[–]What_The_Shoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In this context, sarcasm is a bit hard to get. Feminists do actually make such outlandish claims as the one being discussed.

[–]ModMachiavellianRed[M] 38 points39 points  (5 children)

I guess I was a bit too convincing lol

Fuck around with us at your peril, I was about to ban you. Luckily I checked your posting history beforehand.

[–]Ibex3D 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Shit, that was close. I honestly didn't think people would believe me.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It's amazing just how outrageous you need to be when mimicking a feminist for it to be obvious that you're kidding.

[–]Ibex3D 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know. Thats how low they set the bar. I thought I was being too ridiculous but looking back, I miss judged and I should've known. I remembered after all the backlash that there are real feminists who are even more ridiculous than what I posted.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Poe's Law strikes again. It seems that Feminism is getting harder and harder to parody - no one can tell the difference!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol. I hit report so quickly my thumb almost flew off, then I saw his up voted post underneath and took pause.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ha-ha! That's pretty funny. Just so you know, the normal way to do this is to add /s or put the text on quotes. I admire your standing your ground though.

[–]bustanutmeow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is that why you deleted your other comment

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[–]Jimmypickles 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Women misconstruing science as an attack on their person. No Way!

[–]I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Super convincing dude. My jimmies were rustling up until you dropped

This is all because of the patriarchy.

Then I was all NAHHHH he keeds.

[–]thor_away92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The best part is the first point had zero fucking correlation to the second point.

[–]JMCastillo86 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I was ready do down-vote this post, but then I saw the edit. You almost made me punch my work computer (talk about losing frame).

Well played, sir. Well played.

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (7 children)

Most people who get a degree in psychology are female. Most who get advanced degrees in psychology are female.

That means that most psychologists are also female.

The difference is in psychiatry. It also requires a medical degree and there are more men with both a medical degree and advanced psych degree (but it's slowly changing).

That said, feminism heavily influences the study of psychology and you can expect that anyone who graduates today in the psych field to be biased by feminism.

I wrote a letter to all the professors in the psychology department just a couple years ago when I was getting my psych degree. I pointed out glaring sexism against men. This included psychological studies that were part of the text book which suggested men are violent after watching pornography. I read the actual research and the "violence" only happened after male participants were given an electric shock by a female researcher (for no good reason). The researcher said that the shock is what caused the males to shock the females when it was their turn (and had nothing to do with the porn).

Not a single professor commented on the letter or wrote back. They are either all afraid or just don't acre.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 19 points20 points  (0 children)

This included psychological studies that were part of the text book which suggested men are violent after watching pornography

Women will do anything to try to reduce the competition from porn, including lying in a textbook.

They are either all afraid or just don't acre.

More likely they are white-knight betas to start with, then beaten so far into submission that they can't even think straight anymore.

Great work on sending your letter out to the psych dept. In a way, with them not responding you got the answers to your question.

[–]bertmaklinFBI 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I wrote a letter to all the professors in the psychology department just a couple years ago when I was getting my psych degree. I pointed out glaring sexism against men. This included psychological studies that were part of the text book which suggested men are violent after watching pornography.

You had shitty teachers. First thing taught in my psych program was skepticism and how to properly dissect a study. And this was continually reinforced.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The study about porn and violence was in a textbook for Research Methods course.

So, it was actually the course where they teach you how to be skeptical!

[–]TheMGhandi 1 point2 points  (1 child)

One time I went to a psychiatrist for panic attacks (Mom drove me insane due to victimizing her illness) and she hijacked the whole thing and made it about herself. He proceeds to tell me to breathe deeply, that I'm fine and would like time to speak to my mother. Yeah, helpful advice if that was the ONLY reason I needed to see him.

[–]enfier 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To play devil's advocate, maybe it was your mom's behavior that needed correcting.

[–]MrRexels 84 points85 points  (70 children)

How the fuck do you even spend years studying the human mind while completely neglecting basic gender differences? Fuck, this is why Freudian psychology is called ''obsolete'' now, he called shit like it was.

[–]USmellFunny 69 points70 points  (9 children)

I'm pretty sure that psychological gender differences are considered too politically incorrect to be taught.

Though I have a neurologist friend and she showed me in one of her textbooks that it covered the neurological differences in the male and female brain in a chapter. At least we didn't get to the point where we pretend that we can't see differences in physical biology... Yet.

[–]magus678 49 points50 points  (7 children)

Your friend is a neurologist; an actual scientist.

We are talking about psychologists; they are not.

Big difference.

[–]BlueFreedom420 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Studying behavior and cognitive perception is a science.

How do you think they control elections, what you buy, what you think? Magic? Controlling people is a deep science.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure that psychological gender differences are considered too politically incorrect to be taught.

And how did that situation come about !?

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 25 points26 points  (5 children)

This is why feminists love soft science

[–]magus678 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Science is physics, chemistry, and biology. Some people even quibble a bit about biology. Sort of math in a sense but it is kind of in its own category.

Everything else is not science. At least not yet. Economists, political "scientists," and most certainly psychologists, will need to up their game in a big way if they want to graduate to being science.

[–]Nebulose11 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Science is the language of god and math is his alphabet.

[–]jolly--roger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

clap, clap! as the relevant xkcd says: http://xkcd.com/435/

[–]link5057 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If only more people thought that way

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (5 children)

lol i got a BS on the side in psychology, they don't spend 4 years studying the mind.

the people who get a psychology degree for the most part are borderline retarded, even in the graduate level statistics course the professor (also retarded) had to re-walk everyone through using a computer program every day.

while there are smart people with that degree, when I hear someone (usually women) say they have a 'degree in psychology', I know to write them off as an idiot. It's such a boring course study that unless you're doing heavy research work to get a masters, you need to study something else at the same time.

the freshman classes were just as easy as the senior level classes, that pretty much sums it up.

[–]MyrdinnSlothrop 11 points12 points  (3 children)

I don't hold a BSc in Psychology, but here in Belgium the psych. bachelor's is one of the more research heavy ones. Students have to partake in research as both researchers and participants. They get courses in neurology, clinical psychology, and statistics which I imagine aren't for retards.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I'm willing to bet those courses are all taught a very easy, overview level.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Here in austria they are easy as fuck and it is dimilar to the comment above

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i took those same classes here in the US, and as someone said they are taught in a very 'overview' way.

The statistics is the same as some other disciplines like early economics, however there are no heavier courses in psychology as there are in those other fields.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See, the problem is that many people just take psychology when 'they don't know what else to take'; this makes the market saturated with a bunch of BSc Psych graduates who don't really have an interest in psychology at all. People who are truly good at and passionate about psychology are hard to find.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 20 points21 points  (31 children)

How the fuck do you even spend years studying the human mind while completely neglecting basic gender differences?

Because women are being women. They are not studying gender issues, they are calculating how to push an agenda.

That shit women pull in relationships - you think it's different in their day jobs? All the same motivations and agendas, they're just being slightly cleverer and more subtle about it. And it's working, people are falling for it.

It's either "men and women are the same, therefore women deserve special treatment because patriarchy" or "men and women are different, therefore men are wrong and should be more like women".

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How the fuck do you even spend years studying the human mind while completely neglecting basic gender differences?


Because women are being women. They are not studying gender issues, they are calculating how to push an agenda.

Refer to Maxim #68:

http://illimitablemen.com/2015/07/23/fifty-shades-redder/

Great minds think alike.

[–]Nebulose11 2 points3 points  (29 children)

therefore men are wrong and should be more like women

Hear society crumbling off in the distance?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (28 children)

Hear society crumbling off in the distance?

If only it was in the distance.

It started with "sameness" and "equality" and "gender is a social construct".

With that firmly entrenched, it was easy to say "women must be failing because of men, not because they are inherently not very good at getting shit done" and get all sorts of pro-female laws put into place, that will never be repealed. (Women don't need to work as hard as men because they will always have these pro-equality laws to balance their numbers and pay in the workplace).

Fortunately female ego will grow ever larger, especially when they believe they have won and the victory dancing starts. Perhaps at last men will wise the fuck up. At least on an individual scale if not collectively.

[–]Nebulose11 1 point2 points  (2 children)

RP men teaching their boys that marriage/living together is a financial trap. Teaching our girls to be feminine and have a hobby to attract high quality men. The market will be flooded with sluts and losers.

[–]chinawinsworlds 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How did you manage to post this 26 times? If I'm counting right.

[–]Nebulose11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No idea. Posted it with the BaconReader app. Never seen this shit happen before :(

Thanks for calling it out so I could delete them.

[–]cariboo_j 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So there's this new guy on YouTube called CS MGTOW. He apparently has a PhD and works in public health policy in the UK. He's managed to get a couple credentialed evolutionary psychologists on his show.

MGTOW Talks: Professor Mills on Evolutionary Psychology and Free Will

This video is fucking gold. Stardusk runs the main manosphere ideas about gender past the professor and he agrees with most of them. The professor goes as far "Feminists are asking for all the things evo-psych predicts they would ask for."

Evolutionary Psychology 2.0 with Glenn Geher, PhD

This is another interesting video where Glenn Geher tells CS MGTOW about the heavy resistance evolutionary psychologists face from - you guessed it - other academics whenever they do research into sexual dimorphism and evolved behavioural differences between males and females.

Glenn Geher conducted a study involving a questionnaire which asked respondents if they thought 5 things were due to nature or nurture:

  1. Men and women behaving differently
  2. Boys and girls behaving differently
  3. Cats and dogs behaving differently
  4. Non-sex related universal human traits like a fear of heights
  5. Male chickens and female chickens behaving differently

Lay people answered 1 & 2 where due to nurture (as expected since this is the current politically correct dogma) while 3 - 5 where nature. Interestingly, academics responded that even 5 was nurture. The dogma of human men and women being exactly the same runs so deep among academics that they would rather believe fucking roosters and hens are a social construct (constructed by who? Farmer bob imposing his heteronormative patriarchal gender roles on his chickens?) than deal with the cognitive dissonance resulting from admitting lower animals have biologically based differences in gendered behavior. Because if lower animals have hardwired male and female behaviors, why would humans be any different?

[–]Ibex3D 14 points15 points  (7 children)

Cause you don't study the human mind. You read books then talk about feelings.

[–]Garconanokin 9 points10 points  (6 children)

You've looked into graduate schools in psychology? Or is that more how you feel that they're being taught?

[–]Saiserit 14 points14 points [recovered]

Taken graduate psych classes - can confirm round-table feels discussions are 80% of the class.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (2 children)

You should see what they do in Sociology courses!

[–]Nebulose11 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I love sociology courses! Get to call out the professors bullshit from her facts and get to call out the ignorant students who argue their uninformed opinions.

Taking college after the military was pretty awesome.

[–]TheDialecticParadox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love it when you knock gender studies/sociology Elitist SJW's off their pedestal with cold hard truths. They get so mad they look like they're going to pass out.

[–]Garconanokin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's cool all of the classes they offered were available to you.

[–]Ibex3D 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's how my friend described her classes to me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gender differences aren't really taught. There were some gender studies, but as you may know, they were biased. All the male profs tried not to touch the field at all.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

To be fair, Freud was not scientific in his research. I think he was a genius and spot on, but he did not have any male patients, as I understand, so there was no control group other than himself.

Most of the people that disagree with Freud either do not want to accept what he is saying or are not intelligent enough for it to click.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A shocking amount of Freud's patients had been sexually abused, but he could not come out to the general public about this.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I find some of Freud's analysis completely and absolutely absurd. Psychosexual development? I rather read Erik Erikson's stages of psychosocial development. Oedipus complex? I don't even know what to say about that; just ridiculous. He was a great psychologist who contributed a lot to psychology, but some of his theories are just plain outdated and fantastical.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don't disagree. I certainly didn't mean to imply everything he did was great.

[–]alreadyredschool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oedipus complex? Freuds mother was hot as fuck, he was raised by some maidens.

Ever heard of genetical attraction? For example the women who searched for her father, found him in Jamaica, came back 7 years later, blew him and fucked him?

It just works when you don't grow up with these people (parents, cousin, siblings...) now take genetical attraction into a time where nobody had contact with their mother. Boom Freud was correct to some extend.

Change the environment and Freud is wrong. Try to see things in the historical context, not with your modern eyes.

I know that Freud is mostly completely debunked as bullshit, bit he didn't pull everything out of his Ass, he observed some stuff and tried to explain it.

[–]needmorefat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do know that psychologists were using terms like "hypergamy" and "dual mating strategy" in published literature way before theredpill and PUA appropriated and politicized the fuck out of them, right?

[–]averageredpill 23 points24 points  (5 children)

And this is not even a feminist thing, it's something that we as a civilization do since the greek times. We see them as weak creatures so any abusive behaviour is minimized because of that weakness. The question here is that in the past they were afraid to be beaten to death or expelled from the tribe for pulling something like this, right now they can do this and remain little princesses because we allow it to be that way.

When you see abusive behaviour call it out like it is, it's a little bit SJW but this bitches ain't loyal.

[–]neptronix 25 points26 points  (3 children)

It's not SJW to call out abusive behavior. It's using the definition of the word properly.

I am a big fan of calling SJWs racist, sexist, and heterophobes as much as possible when their comments apply.

Simply using the definition of a word properly can be a mindfuck for someone who has twisted and distorted it internally. Lots of fun.

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 17 points18 points  (0 children)

^ This guy gets it. Learn the words and ways of your opponents, so that you may judo-throw them into their own bullshit.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

"homonormative" is also a good one

[–]neptronix -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol, i gotta jack that term from you, that's awesome.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you see abusive behaviour call it out like it is

who even cares though. If you're not a little bitch, they either won't bother trying to 'abuse' you or you can handle it properly. If it's being to some other guy, it's what needs to happen to him and will still happen even if he finds a new partner. There's no honor in being captain saveaho or saveabro

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Yeah. It's bad. A lot of doctors think that psychopathy is a purely male phenomenon. They are dead wrong.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Antisocial Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder are arguably the same thing- BPD is just the feminine version. ASP manifests by rule breaking and psychopathic behavior and so does BPD except the rules men break land them in jail while the rules women break land them in pro female divorce and custody courts.

[–]Vigilo_Infinite 2 points3 points  (0 children)

except the rules men break land them in jail while the rules women break land them in pro female divorce and custody courts.

Agree.

Isn't it interesting that a womans primary weapon - covert psychological assault is "understandable" because "she's hormonal" as opposed to the overt male agression "me angry. Me smash" is like swearing - directly damaging and therefore unacceptable in our society.

[–]199639 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well psychologists and psychiatrists are different, psychiatrists went to medical school, prescribe meds, and take care of patients with diseases like schizophrenia.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 29 points30 points  (11 children)

The Social Sciences are dominated by Progressives. You're chances of getting a conservative psychology professor are really low. So after four years of undergrad where at least half of your classes are going to be with progressives in social sciences and then an additional five years in a PHD program surrounded by liberals chances are your views are going to be very liberal. In fact it would probably be very difficult for a conservative to get through a psychology program without flying under the radar. Just saying stuff like "I think IQ is heavily determined by genetics" could get you seriously fucked also if you dont have liberal orthadox views on women your gunna get raped. Saying "women are more risk averse then men" will get you gang raped by your department. So yea psychologist programs produce a lot of progressive pussy worshiping liberal betas, is anyone surprised?

[–]2012Aceman 10 points11 points  (10 children)

It goes even farther than that GLO. If indeed the social sciences are dominated by Progressives, then that stands to reason that all of their Progressive crap is going to be touted as the new science. The Progressives in government combined with Progressives in media and the social sciences creates a massive propaganda machine. So not only will their lunatic views be forced on the population, but they'll be upheld as unarguable science!

[–]1kingofpoplives 2 points3 points  (3 children)

So not only will their lunatic views be forced on the population, but they'll be upheld as unarguable science!

AKA Climate Change. The science is settled.

Now watch as the lurking progs out themselves...

[–]2012Aceman 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Climate Change with computer models (made up data) clearly show climate change! Climate change with satellite data (the actual recorded observations of the climate)... more data is needed before we can draw any conclusions.

But it isn't just Climate Change. Look at something as simple as nutrition AKA what should humans eat. Is salt good or bad for you? Butter good or bad? Margarine good or bad? Eggs good or bad? Flippity floppity all over, and we've had thousands of years of civilization to figure out those answers. The thing that people don't understand about science is that science is never wrong, until it is, and then everything changes.

[–]Nebulose11 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The thing that people don't understand about science is that science is never wrong, until it is, and then everything changes.

I would say the thing (best thing) about science is it is self correcting. If you produce a bad study your peers are going to call you out. Unless your peers are paid by the same corporate empire as you.

[–]2012Aceman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The science is self correcting, yes, but the policies put in place because of that forthcoming science are the problem. For instance in the 1970's scientists were worried that the Earth was cooling down too much, so they suggested that we put sludge on the ice caps to melt them down and heat up the planet. The science of that time pointed to Global Cooling, and pointed to polluting the ice caps as a solution. Thankfully we didn't end up doing that, but it just goes to show you the dangers that "fad" science can produce.

[–]magus678 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Don't fret too hard, inarguable science doesn't happen without mountains of evidence; they have none.

Standards for psyche have been a sore point for awhile now, it is likely to get more rigorous soon.

[–]2012Aceman 5 points6 points  (2 children)

But they make policies based on these phony sciences, on these biased reports. The much touted "1 in 5 women sexually assaulted on college" statistic. The "women earn 77 cents for each dollar a man makes doing the same work" myth. Other countries in Europe buy into the feminist agenda so much they actually make quota systems (which is the antithesis of feminism's stated goal).

In the field of psychology they're making masculinity a mental disorder. A boy in the classroom that doesn't focus as much on mindless repetitive schoolwork? Put him on Ritalin. A boy that doesn't understand social cues as effectively as women? Must be autistic, send him off to the therapist to explain how dysfunctional he is. A boy feels victimized by an overwhelmingly anti-masculine agenda? Must be paranoia, or he's being raised in a misogynistic household. So now men are on meds that control their thought, and women are the new majority of college graduates that will go on to be the new doctors, directors, and researchers that will shape the path of future scientific discovery.

[–]Nebulose11 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Having a boy soon. Worried about keeping this bullshit out of his head. Really don't want him internalizing the feminist imperative and becoming a White Knight.

I will refuse any diagnosis of ADHD. My kid will go drug free unless he really fucking needs it (Bipolar) otherwise he can learn self control and stay active.

My brother was put on that shit in 1st grade because he couldn't read well. He gave two shits and a damn about reading because sports were his desire. When put on some ADHD med he said that he felt everything around him was going so fast and he moved/thought in slow motion. He stopped playing sports but he did read more because we got a ps1 and FF VII. His father was against it as well but being a divorced man he had no real control on what was done.

When my father-in-law (at 35) went on Ritalin, he became a mentally and physically abusive asshole. He stopped after a few months because his brother was going to kick him out on the street.

[–]NidStyles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Get him involved with mechanics, and building things. Then keep him active in outdoor activities. Keep him away from TV and modern era comics.

Heck, get him into Shifter Kart racing or something similar. Just keep him active physically and he'll be fine. It's the kids that sit inside all day everyday that end up on that crap. You just have to get him directly involved with the real world, and the hard science stuff. Also, a good healthy protein focused diet with no processed sugars and plenty of milk.

I saw what Ritalin did to my cousin. He ended up marrying and oaf of "female" that yell's at him in public. He's such a fucking simp that I can't bear to be around him. His kid's are not even 10 and already obese like their mother.

[–]fortifiedoranges 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What happens when real scientists get disgusted by being attacked for their t-shirts and quit? It will only be these shit heads left.

[–]NidStyles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't need evidence when you control the government.

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[–]Xiamon 14 points14 points [recovered]

In the future, when posting here, I would avoid including "I'm a female" in the first line of your post. Not because TRP hates women posters, but because it's a way of intentionally drawing attention to your gender. It implies that you think your argument is made better by your gender, instead of standing on its own regardless of gender.. Not that that was your intentions, just a general rule you should keep in mind.

Your gender can of course be mentioned or referenced, if it's important to the story or argument. While it wouldn't surprise me to find some here who would downvote you purely for your gender, they are an outlier, who are not truly red.

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[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp 17 points18 points  (3 children)

I think my gender is very relevant actually to the point I'm making

You think it is. But it's not. Your point would be 100% equally valid if said by a man. We don't award special experience points for being your gender. Your point stands rationally or it doesn't. It doesn't get bonus points for being said by a female. You get bonus points for being a female in real life cuz men want to fuck you. That holds no water here.

that will teach me to be nice

Get your passive-agressive bullshit out too. Stop trying to earn female points in TRP. Take it to TwoX.

[–]interestedplayer 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Oh, but she did get bonus points, look at her score despite it being feels and NAWALT.

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

They can't look at her score. I just removed the comment. So she wins.... nothing!

[–]interestedplayer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometimes I get all warm and fuzzy inside when I think bout How you guys watch over us ;) no but seriously, props

The part I was sad was just that it showed how much more similar to "general" reddit TRP is. You say "bla bla as a girl" -> upvotes saying NAWALT.

[–]Nebulose11 4 points5 points  (1 child)

There are no girls on the internet, there are no boys either, just people.

When ever you state your gender on the internet the best response is "Tits or GTFO."

The reason girls state their gender is to inform the boys that they have the pussy pass and are not to be argued with because girls are never wrong.

We don't deal with that shit here just like 4chan taught the girls over there (in the beginning).

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Read and abide by community rules. First and only warning.

[–]NidStyles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't even read your post, because it started with that. I don't care what you have to say if you think your sex makes it more relevant. It's either relevant on it's own merit, or it's not worth reading.

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In the future, when posting here, I would avoid including "I'm a female" in the first line of your post. Not because TRP hates women posters, but because it's a way of intentionally drawing attention to your gender. It implies that you think your argument is made better by your gender, instead of standing on its own regardless of gender.. Not that that was your intentions, just a general rule you should keep in mind.

This is not just good advice, it's the rules. Comment removed.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I've always seen men as the vulnerable ones

Thanks for the hugs girl.... but we are not vulnerable victims, we've just been put in an impossible position by women and society and are learning how to handle it more effectively through TRP.

[–]Xiamon 5 points5 points [recovered]

In a sense, we are potentially more vulnerable, due to the lack of a safety net. If a man went to a psychologist, or an abuse-shelter, their odds of receiving good help are drastically lower.

She never called us victims, at least not in the quote you selected.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

we are potentially more vulnerable, due to the lack of a safety net.

That's what I mean by "put in an impossible position by ... society".

She never called us victims

Indeed, and I wanted to head off any suggestion that we are.

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WE here do not consider us victims...but i definitely consider all the white knight betas victims of current feminist society. Plugged in men (just as in The Matrix) are victims of a warped upbringing. I pity them more than I despise them tbh.

[–]interestedplayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why is this anecdotal NAWALT (by name) emotional feel crap being upvoted over eg GayLubeOil? Do people here stil pedestalize women so much?

Sad to see from the mighty TRPers

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everyone has the ability to be vicious. The common plattitude "all women (and betas) are like that" started because of this. You tend to only see it in feminised men, and "independent" women, though. Why? Because those people are not self-aware of the fact that they're being a giant bitch.

As a woman, the fact that you have self awareness is rare and will save you and your partners a lot of headache.

[–]Magnum256[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I much prefer male bosses, friends and acquaintances they argue fairly

I believe most people prefer dealing with those that are fair and honest. Unfortunately many people out there are neither, both male and female.

Depending on the culture and general mentality that exists in a particular part of your life (be it home, professional, social, etc) these sorts of things (dishonesty/unfairness) can be very contagious as well to the point where people believe they have to be this way to compete with one another for a chance at success.

Then again the opposite can be true in other circles where everyone is fairly honest and straightforward, but I find at least in my life that this is much less common.

I do agree that females generally come across as less fair and honest, but I think that partly stems from the fact that a lot of women believe they have a disadvantage (whether they'll consciously admit that or not) and so use manipulative tactics to try and gain an edge. Males are often more straightforward, but not always.

I'd say I value fairness and especially honesty above almost anything. The best girlfriends I've had are those that will almost always tell the truth without being pressured to do so, even if it's about something incredibly negative or hurtful, a brutal sort of honesty. Really respect it but I find it in people so rarely.

[–]rockinhard130 5 points6 points  (1 child)

My ex bought a book and read it claiming I was abusive and controlling (truthfully she is a borderline personality whack job) . I started reading it and the guy said that men aren't abused by women. I told her I would not read the book at all since he's full of shit. I read enough to see that the book goes so far that even some normal husband/guy behavior was classified as abusive or controlling.

Abuse has become the scapegoat that all women use to get out of relationships that they no longer want to be in. And it's my experience that the women will gaslight the men and try to bait them into abusive behaviors with their irresponsible and outlandish bad behavior. This has made me highly doubt anyone that claims abuse of any kind. Women throwing it around falsely have only harmed themselves and their own cause.

[–]TitsAndWhiskey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have had very similar experiences. And the marriage counsellors, therapists, and other similar charlatans are essentially there as backup for the woman's narrative.

Went through all that bullshit with my ex. Not one of them could rationally defend their attempts to blame it all on me. Their argument essentially always boiled down to "because I said so."

They used to get so flustered when they would tell me what I needed to change and I would say, "no, I'm not doing that."

[–]absentian 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yet another delightful result of feminism..

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Women are wonderful vs men are awful and they deserve everything they get.

And the last resort of the feminist: "women are rebalancing after years of patriarchal support abuse" to which I say "yes, and every black man deserves a white slave girl".

[–]HellhoundsOnMyTrail 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can confirm: Called my employer's assistance program to speak with a therapist about emotional abuse I suffered with my borderline ex and the therapist asked me if I had ever gotten violent. I never raised my voice in anger at that woman let alone a hand.

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Interesting, but I feel that this really goes further than just psychologists; people in general are more likely to see the man as abusive. Yet, the majority of abuse I see in day-to-day life is by women unto men (humiliation, put-downs, shaming for the betas). The scary world where poor little women get bullied by men doesn't exist, it seems; heck, the majority of guys in my school don't even dare to say 'no' to a girl, much less insult them. The amount of social power women have amassed is disturbing, to say the least.

[–]1raceAround126 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I had two different councellors with my ex regarding not only dead bedroom, but other issues she claimed she had. Both times, it was assumed I was over entitled, manipulative or abusive by default.

How I loved abusing and hurting her by taking her away on weekends to Paris, engaging with her in various activities, taking her shopping, cooking her awesome meals and walking her stupid dog.

Man, I just be wife beater of the Century. I'm glad to say I have turned over a new leaf, I'm a new man. I've not so much as paid a woman a single shread of respect in two years. My dick is wetter than a dolphins arse and nobody demands shit from me.

Phew... Glad I saw the light.

[–]just_for_fun1842 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Surprised it's not in the comments that right now women outnumber men in the the field of psychology 3 to 1. Source: aap website. There are articles about what this turn means for the field.

[–]mrmeyhemn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

thats because men are abusers and women are victims, yay feminism!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is why Psychology is 90% bullshit - because the majority of its practitioners don't have any actual nous or ability. You can go to a psychologist but you're only really facing up to somebody else's prejudices in terms of their perception of your psychology.

[–]Rufio0331 1 point2 points  (10 children)

one of the things I think we can all agree on, Alpha or Beta, men are very loyal by nature to their woman. When a woman calls a man abusive, disloyal or a cheater, Men are with good reason. When a woman acts in this way its ok though.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Every bitch who just broke up and is trying to get on my cock left an abusive, disloyal, controlling, cheater. I am non of those things, yet every ex says I am. The first wife was all those things and more, but I was the one punished for what she did. Their "very good reason" is not looking like a disloyal, hypergamous, cunt and nothing more.

You still have the pussy on a pedestal, and your comment shows you share the bias against men.

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[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Thanks for the clarification on that. Also if she was cheating and being abusive, then accusing you of it, she was projecting. They do that shit constantly. Her ex is probably a decent guy, but that bitch is crazy.

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[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (5 children)

When bitches talk about ex's, listen because she is most often talking about herself. What she says about other girls is usually what she thinks of herself.

(I've said that so often my tablet knows what I will say, how cool is that?)

[–]Rufio0331 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i've learned that now too. My BP days when they would say this shit, I would think to my self to do the opposite of what they say. Now I don't give a shit. Even in this relationship I started out that way, then I became an asshole and I got what I wanted, sex.

I've also learned now girls with nothing but guy friends are bad news too. Too many orbiters tending hand and foot to them.

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[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I think only one girl I dated or was engaged to didn't cheat on me, that's around 50 of them. The rest were one night stands or fwb/kinky group girls where there is no expectation of exclusivity. That's why I figure any non related girl is fair game, married, taken, whatever. Because bitch is going to cheat with someone, might as well be me getting my dick wet.

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[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Expect them to act accordingly with their nature so you're not surprised, and broom them when they commit some overly egregious act.

[–]Rougepellet 0 points1 point  (2 children)

These are fucking psychologists are they cannot believe that women can force men into submission using only psychological tactics?

[–]1aguy01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And yet I still constantly argue with people here that think degrees mean something. Academia is like 4 different blue pills in one. You have the intentional spread of feminism (TRP), the school's agenda to make itself money from students, the school's agenda to make itself money from corporations (by far the worst in medical schools), and the desire to produce students that become lifelong customers, dependent on their product.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The psychological tactics include constant threat of divorcerape, fake police reports and loss of children. I know lots of guys in unhappy and abusive relationships, who stay to keep access to their children (and have directly said so, in some cases). And yes they have been forced into submission.

"Psychological tactics" includes nagging, lying, emotional abuse, jealousy tactics as well as threats of divorcerape, loss of children, weaponising children, financial abuse, sexual withdrawal, shaming and removal of contact with support network. All of which are backed up with the full force of the law, societal approval or otherwise, friends and both families.

Most men would rather take a beating than deal with that lot.

Psychological abuse is no small thing. But hey, it's fine so long as it's women doing it. You go girl.

[–]Magnum256[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I wonder how you can tell if your doctor is biased? I mean I'm not really sure how you would tactfully broach the subject.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Describe Dread Game to him and ask what he thinks. His answers will tell you all you need to know.

[–]bertmaklinFBI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is product of reinforcement from the minute you are born. Same effect happens with children and babies. Babies that cry more in gender neutral clothing are more likely to be sexually identified as a female. Babies who are dressed in typical boy clothing/colors who cried were labeled as angry (babies were both male and female). When the situation was reversed (female clothing/colors) the babies were seen as sad/upset.

Gender bias from mothers

Children show their own gender bias from a very young age. Boys are typically labeled as more aggressive for the same behavior as girls. Boy and girls tend to hang out with the same sex. Play is different. Toys offered are different. Teacher/Caretaker reactions are different. Parents reactions are different.

Lessons:

1) Gender bias exists and is innate (as seen in animals...surprise surprise!)

2) Get over it. When possible, exploit it.

[–]FortunateBum 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I have been observing this phenomena for a while. Good to see scientific evidence. It's a strange thing, that I have yet to develop words or language for.

Essentially, it's not the behavior. It's whether a man or woman does it. You see this even taken to the extreme. Wife punching and slapping husband? What did he do? Other way around, why is he doing that?

I know people in this thread are going to cite this as the women are perfect angels effect, but I suspect it goes much deeper and is much more basic. It's not the behavior. It's about appeasing women in general. If a rich man wants to go around hiring prostitutes, he's a misogynist and anti-social. If a woman wants to use the state to force a man to give her half his money, or more, she's just doing what's right and fair.

I've been reading this sub for years and I still don't really understand this particular thing. I'm reminded of how the miner forty niners came out to stake their claims without women. At first, there were no women. The men drank, gambled, stayed out all hours, went to whorehouses (when they popped up). When women started appearing and the men started marrying, those rough and tumble mining towns changed. Historians would always say those towns were "civilized", that women were a "civilizing influence".

Going back all the way to the epic of Gilgamesh, it was a prostitute that was the civilizing influence on Enkidu. Prostitution, in that story, was a perk and positive aspect of civilization. Perhaps even the epitome of the luxury of civilization. WTF happened? When did it happen? What were the reasons? All I can figure is it was tied to the suffragettes and their overall hatred of anything fun. They got Prohibition to happen in the US. They got bars to close. Weekend and night bans on selling booze. Did they invent some sort of middle class cultural ideal that we're still living with today? How do you get people so profoundly anti-fun?

Possibly I'm going a little off the rails here, but I think it all stems from this weird righteousness a lot of women have going back all the way to at least the Suffragettes. Whatever someone with a vagina thinks is correct and holy and above question because the concept was formed in the mind of someone with a vagina. I'm really at a loss as to where this comes from. So when a woman beats her husband, she must have a good reason because she has a vagina and he doesn't. As a society, we're at a loss for when there are two vaginas or no vaginas in that situation.

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As a society, we're at a loss for when there are two vaginas or no vaginas in that situation.

Yeah we have to decide who is right. So pesky!

[–]1sardinemanR -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

For 42 of 100 psychologically aggressive behaviors described, psychologists were more likely to call the behavior abusive if husband-to-wife. The remainder were neutral except one in which the gender effect was stronger for wife-to-husband.

Ah i see the problem. Men stupid enough to get married in the past 30 years are probably stupid animals incapable of controlling either their emotions or thinking on a functioning level. It does make sense that they'd be "abusive" or what not. And I can understand actually why women would hate them so much. I can't stand married men either, bunch of annoying idiots.