If you treat women like men they will think you are sexist.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2015-08-02T20:28:48+00:00

If you treat women like men they will think you are sexist.

When you are used to special treatment, equal treatment feels like discrimination.

DanielSade · 2015-08-02T20:29:25+00:00

There are actual studies about this. Men who treat women like they treat men are seen as sexist by both men and women.

https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/bitstream/handle/10012/6958/Yeung_Amy.pdf?sequence=1

Drmadanthonywayne · 2015-08-02T21:25:02+00:00

Good post. Before ever hearing of the Red Pill I'd noticed that many post wall females (especially the ones who used to be hot) are complete bitches. I'd even come up with essentially the same theory you did to explain the phenomenon.

A young hot chick is treated like a princess pretty much all the time. This seems normal to her. Her whole life everyone worshiped the ground she walked on until she started getting older and less hot.

Gradually, people started treating her less like a hot chick and more like a normal person until she is eventually treated just like the rest of us.

To her, it seems like people are just getting ruder and ruder. She begins to reciprocate and so we have the transformation from hot chick to old battle ax.

RPSigmaStigma · 2015-08-02T19:33:11+00:00

Equality for women is treating everyone the way women treat each other. Solipsism automatically rules out the possibility that there's even an alternative because there is no male experience. Anything that deviates from the female experience is wrong and invalid.

Modern__Day__Pricus · 2015-08-02T21:17:39+00:00

Listening to women is like listening to a WWE wrestlers promo on TV and thinking its real, when in reality someone is in the back writing down their words down to the last period.

Point is, women just say shit but have no true meaning, honor, craft, or loyalty to the words. They are dictionaries with the words inside but lack the definition on each page. Yeah, they know how to spell and say the word but, the lack the reasoning behind them.

Nature rules the land whether they want to or not. Yeah, marriage SOUNDS good but your vagina will say different after he (In your mind) shows weakness by (OMG) showing pain or feeling worried about something a bit too much in your eyes. Next stop, dump city right near to "I just don't feeeeeeel it anymore" avenue.

Point is, as a dude avoid anything blue pill and remain in traced in learning as much as you can until this information because part of your DNA. The world wants different but, do NOT let them.

http://associationofchronos.com/2015/08/02/the-theory-of-internalizing-the-shadow/

RPModulator · Sun Aug 2 21:00:07 2015 UTC

There is a lot that I could respond to in this post, but I think this one will do:

Oh... and of course your are not anymore the next Marie Curie, but just another student with average skills.

Of course, one implication here is that if she had above average intelligence, she might be back to getting the attention she wants. As one who has now spent many years in various STEM communities, I can tell you that the typical STEM nerd doesn't have anywhere near enough experience with women to realize that if you end up dating someone who is as smart and career-driven as they are, then you might a well be dating a man. Unfortunately, they frequently think this is a good idea. Unless the woman is the Ph.D. -> SAHM type (which I have commented on before), well, let's just say that I have seen numerous (say, easily more than 10) of these dual smarty/career-driven relationships crash and burn, and very few of them (precisely one) succeed.

All you STEM guys out there: I have found STEM women super fun for plating, but get yourself a nice schoolteacher for a LTR. And you STEM women, well, I hope you can be content with casual flings, or a BP bitch; otherwise, I can probably direct you to your local animal shelter . . .

Nice post, OP.

GayLubeOil · 2015-08-02T19:39:11+00:00

Plot Twist women are incapable of complex thought. Give them tingles and women will love you reguardless of what you do or say. Example: Chris Brown.

Claude_Reborn · 2015-08-02T22:17:43+00:00

STEM Student here (Electrical Eng, Going into Nuclear Eng)

Yeah we have one female in our course, and she is a 5 at best and is also dating someone.

She just gets treated like "one of the boys" and she is fine with that probably because she isn't white and comes from the Philippines. We have one other woman in some of our classes who is doing Mech Eng part time. She is a country girl and older, so she is again "one of the boys" and doesn't have any sense of entitlement.

Yes, we don't give female STEM people any sort of special treatment for the following reasons.

We have too much of our own work to do, so we aren't going to do the work of a princess too.
If you want to make it in Engineering you HAVE to know the stuff. I am just as hard with my fellow male classmates if they ask for help. I'll show them how they can solve a problem, I won't do it for them. Women are used to having problems solved for them.
I'm already married and while her boobs are nice, I'm not so thirsty that they are going to have any power over me.

Most of the guys in my course already have gf's or are already married. Contrary to the media image, most engineers aren't socially clueless losers, we have a few of those type of guys in our course but they are falling behind in the work and won't last the distance. You HAVE to have social skills in Engineering these days because part of engineering is being able to work in a team.

I think STEM gets Feminists so worked up with hate, because it is a field where feelings doing matter a damn. You can FEEL like your turbine design is awesome but it can be PROVEN to be crap through objective measurement. Engineering is full of things like that where anything you do is going to be reviewed and put under a microscope and you will ALWAYS get feedback if you fuck up. Usually polite, but not always..

STEM fields are all like that, where your feelings don't matter, only what you can achieve and prove. This is the antithesis of 90% of women, who for most of their life managed to gain their status by their looks, and not their achievements. Anything they DID achieve is blown massively out of proportion because they are surrounded by guys who will tell them they are special, because they wish to insert their penis into them.

MattyAnon · 2015-08-02T22:37:46+00:00

I'm involved with a predominantly male space. We get regular complaints from women about feeling intimidated, with of course absolutely no specific complaints at all.

From a relatively sane woman, it was explained to me thus: "Of course it's intimidating... there's all these people around who are really really good at stuff and know so much".

In other words: the OP makes some really great points about today's victim-at-any-cost female mindset.

MrRexels · 2015-08-02T23:36:36+00:00

When people push towards equality it can only imply 3 things:

-Treating everyone like they are men (In which case men set the standard)

-Treating everyone like they are women (Women are the standard)

-Or treating everyone based on some arbitrary standard in middle of both genders (which is impossible because of the innate differences between them)

In the first case, it's unfair to women because it demands more from them that they can give. Men are subjected to higher standards, so it forces women to give up their femininity to fit in, and even then, the will never achieve the same level of behaviour that men have. I.E: STEM courses.

In the second case, it's unfair to men, because it puts a limit/a cap to how they can behave. It restricts their ability to compete and better themselves because the standard is bellow them, so they are forced to fit into mediocrity. I.E: High school.

The third case, like I said, it's unrealistic since people would just choose whichever standard fits them better at the moment. A man it's too much of a pussy to ask a girl out? ''Oh it's 2015, she should take the initiative''. A woman won't assume responsability for being a whore? ''Oh he forced me to fuck him''.

The best alternative of course, it's having a double standard. Demand men to be men, and women to be women. But as most of you might imagine, just the phrase ''double standard'' it's already blasphemy from the Unholy Church of Progressiveness, so it's out of the window.

Claude_Reborn · 2015-08-03T00:09:36+00:00

Taking a summer sociology course (one of the biggest jokes of a field) and there is a girl in my class who goes to an engineering/science school where women are 27% of the population. She mentioned that the school was considering lowering it's admissions standards for women only, to try and close the gap. She then went on to say she "feels" like she has to work twice as hard because she's a girl, and is held to a higher standard because sexism.

M3_Drifter · 2015-08-03T01:58:50+00:00

I experienced this, in a way.

I coasted through primary and secondary school, getting decent grades with little work.

Arriving in STEM college, I was suddenly average - with a shitty work ethic. Let me tell you, it sucked balls.

NineInchPitchfork · 2015-08-02T18:44:16+00:00

I have never treated men and women as the same because they are not. The key is to accommodate rather than give either preferential treatment.

I think some allowance should be made for the female minority in a STEM class just as there should be some for a male minority in an English literature class. I speak from personal experience as I once took an advanced lit class where I was the only guy in a class of 20 women. Book selection, topics for assignments and discussion always were from female perspective. I begged for one the Bronte sisters books to be dropped so we could do *The Sun Also Rises but got nowhere on that. I switched to a Greek literature class instead and read Aristophanes, Sophocles and Herodotus instead.

*aside: I ended up banging a chick from that goup who thought "my perspective was missed" when I dropped that class. It all kinda worked out.

RedPillScare · 2015-08-03T02:24:22+00:00

“When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination." -- Thomas Sowell

Alarid · 2015-08-02T18:40:34+00:00

He is an idiot for saying this, because he should know what would happen if you say something like this today. But if a woman said something like this about men in a joking manner ("they fall in love with you, you fall in love with them, and if you reject them they are broken" - I changed it a little because crying just does not fit to men, nobody would say it that way), nobody would have cared

There's something IDK if a lot of people aren't realizing or what

Women have nothing to do usually. A guy will have a lot more hobbies, whether video games, the gym, pro sports teams, programming, whatever. They spend some of their spare time doing these things.

Women usually have fewer hobbies, excluding watching all of Orange Is The New Black in one day. Especially the ones who are doing all this crying, they have nothing to do.

It's a lot like homosexuals, their entire identity is wrapped up in what they "are". Everything to a homo revolves around the fact they are a homo. Everything to a feminist revolves around the fact they are a woman. Everything to most minorities, those that have minority crybaby syndrome, revolves around the fact they are minorities.

If someone on the street bumps in to us and tells us to fuck off, it's whatever. A guy bumped in to us, big deal. To a homo, it's fag bashing. To a feminist, it's patriarchy oppressing her. To a minority, it's racism. Their minds are so absorbed into what they want to believe that their entire world view is corrupted and they spend a lot of their free time crying about shit like this.

So they have time to tweet, retweet, blog, etc about a scientist landing a thing on a comet but wore a shirt with cartoon girls on it. Or they have time to crucify this betabitch feminist Hunt. Or they have time to sign change-org petitions about getting GTA5 banned in australia because it "encourages violence towards women"

They have time to do this shit. The sad part is that in today's retarded society, this is what actually gets things done. The more you cry, the more you accomplish.

You can spend your time trying to counteract their crying by crying yourself, or you can spend your time bettering yourself and getting way ahead so that little shit like this doesn't affect you. On one hand, you may be one out of many people who try to balance 'equality' a little bit, maybe. On the other hand, you've done well for yourself and have an awesome life and don't have to deal with the overweight scum that are doing all the crying.

I chose the latter

samsonx · Sun Aug 2 21:42:50 2015 UTC

I treat everyone the same and I don't give a fuck about what they think about this.

Profdiddy · 2015-08-02T22:39:47+00:00

OP is spot on in this assessment. The research field is a flawed, despotic he'll. There is nepotism but also a genderless meritocracy. I have seen many HB7-10 crumble and drop out.

Source: check username

grewapair · 2015-08-02T23:42:36+00:00

"and when you criticize them, they cry"

That was just proof he's a beta. Your employees test you. I have had female employees cry to get something out of me, or dress up to get a bonus they haven't earned. Each time, I just laugh at them and make it clear it won't work at all, and they never try it again.

[deleted] · 2015-08-02T23:28:04+00:00

Do you talk to a child the same way you talk to a full grown man? No, of course not. People like to discredit the differences in men and women and say we are all just humans! Wrong, we have two very different roles, and one of the main purposes of men is to take care of women and essentially be willing to die for them. I honestly doubt most females want to be treated like a man because why the fuck would you do that, that's weird. The Internet is flooded with overly progressive nazis, I doubt the majority of females actually want to be treated like another human. Just another number in the crowd... They want to be special and protected, as nature intended

thefisherman1961 · 2015-08-02T23:23:16+00:00

I disagree OP. Women only want to be treated like men if it's an alpha who is treating them like a man. He'll be the hot asshole who refuses to validate her emotions and has an IDGAF attitude about her. That's because even the most hardcore feminists get wet for alphas. AWALT.

What about betas who treat women like men? Well, if a beta male refuses to validate women, their reaction will range from slightly annoyed to furious. That's because beta behavior disgusts women. They expect betas to either 1) validate them and treat them politely and specially, or 2) fuck off.

So when feminists talk about how they want to be treated like men, what they really mean is that they want to be treated like men only by alpha males. To really understand feminism, you need to be able to understand powertalk.

chetmanly2 · 2015-08-02T23:30:45+00:00

No woman has ever said she wants to be treated like a man. They always say they want to be treated like a 'person'. Whatever the hell that means. I guess a man but not?

Who the hell knows.

4benny2lava0 · 2015-08-03T00:15:17+00:00

STEM work environments have no room for those that want to skate by. You really cant have someone carrying your work load and you taking the credit.

You didnt study, you will fail. No one will be able to carry you through a fluid dynamics exam. The only thing that will help you is due diligence and god be with you if your professor doesnt do partial credit.

Ok you graduate. (Fuck i didnt but i pull the jobs so i dont really care)

You get into an office and you have maybe two weeks to be able to stand on your own two feet. You dont have to know everything; however you best not find yourself asking the same question twice. Stop what you are doing we need you working on this to meet the deadline.

Women dont get special treatment because you can not fake intelligence, work ethic, talent or passion for the field.

There is no room.

barcelonatimes · 2015-08-03T01:19:05+00:00

Nobody wants to be treated equal, everyone wants special treatment. Women want to be treated equally in the work-place because they are usually inferior.

Not that they're not intelligent, but they are much more likely to take maternity leave, or decide that taking care of a family takes precedence over work. I wouldn't want to take that risk when hiring an employee.

semondemon24 · 2015-08-03T13:27:51+00:00

This literally happened to me at work. I didn't hold a door open for a female co-worker and she told some people at work I am sexist because I wasn't a gentlemen.

[deleted] · 2015-08-03T15:36:36+00:00

I am electrical engr major. Upon graduating, I LTRd 1 of only 2 good looking girls in my major (at a large state uni).

It was sad how many dudes fell over themselves to help her, share the homework, etc. But I can't complain, she would then share with me since I was usually too busy partying to bother with homework. This was 10yrs ago before I had put 2 and 2 together and was operating on more of a fuzzy awareness (thanks RP).

Long story short, she remembers basically nothing of EE, despite having a higher GPA than me (that's the difference between studying to pass the test vs studying to internalize concepts). She still gets preferential treatment as a female STEM.

Makes a decent project manager tho since all the boys line up to do as she says. Who knows maybe her college "education" did teach her well.

JablesRadio · 2015-08-03T01:53:35+00:00

This is the debate about qualifications to be in combat in a warzone in a nutshell.

Feminazis complain that it isn't fair for women while completely ignoring the fact that if a man can't complete the same exact trials he doesn't get accepted either. There is no bias, it simply is what it needs to be but we should make an easier test for women so they can go to combat. They are literally the cause of what they are trying to fight. It would be hilarious if it wasn't real.

InscrutablePUA · 2015-08-03T01:55:45+00:00

Amid all the uproar over that crying comment which was at least partly true, NOBODY (except maybe one source that you cited) ever asked the question "How does Tim Hunt actually treat his female students?"

All my supposedly intelligent liberal 'friends' on Facebook infuriated me to no end jumping on the bash-wagon. Not one even thought to give him the benefit of the doubt. Sickening.

imthemanyesiam · 2015-08-03T04:38:23+00:00

But if you give them special treatment theyll lose all respect for you

So long tingles

musclebound92 · 2015-08-03T05:03:26+00:00

Ok I don't ever see this talked about, although I will admit I am new here. No one ever talks about how and why women were/are treated "special." I get into debates with women at work about this all of the time. I ask them, if you go on a date, do you expect the man to pay? Many say yes. I then ask them why should the man pay? They usually answer with the usual, "well cause thats what he's supposed to do." I then ask them if they want to be treated equally as men? They usually say yes, I ask if they ant to be paid the same, they say yes. Then why the hell should a man have to pay when you go on a date? This leaves them dumbfounded. They either smile and laugh because they are deer stuck in headlights, with no idea what to say or do. My point in all of this is, women were treated special back in the day because they were not socially equal. Women didn't vote, women didn't have jobs, women didn't have much of a say in anything, they didn't head any great companies or architectural designs, or innovations. That was left to men. Women were put on pedestals, people opened doors for them, rose from their chair when they entered the room, were complimented on their beauty, their smell, or their attire. Women were never to be hit or abused, they lives were to be put before mens in any life or death situations. Women were bought things, were given everything, they had it better than any other species on earth. And they had all of this and it wasn't enough. And you know what? I don't blame them! If i was a smart ambitious woman I wouldn't want to simply be a mother, I would want to go and accomplish great works. So fast forward to present day, women want to be treated in every way equal to males. Including job positions in every field as well as being paid the same. And then on top of that they want to have everything paid for. And receive all of the same benefits as before. However don't hit us, and let us hit you if we feel like it... The amount of EGO that is behind that is un-fucking-believable. Its Immeasurable! Maybe we paid for your drinks and food and car and house before as a way to prove ourselves to you, because we held you to be higher than us. Better than us as males. You were able to be kind and birth children, and raise them far better than most males could. We admired you for the purity you showed in sexuality, and the loyalty to your man that many men were unable to reciprocate. Well thats all gone ladies. Playing field is level. And people like us at TRP, and anyone who carries that mindset, are going to make sure that we treat you the same as us. But we won't hit you to prove that point, don't worry.

Smokratez · 2015-08-03T05:04:31+00:00

Yeah, you have to coddle them a bit and don't be as blunt. But then again, lots of guys have to be treated like that as well. I do treat a lot of men and woman the same way. I have to treat them like children, otherwise their feelings would get hurt. I can't overly let them know that I am doing that though, or their feelings would still get hurt. Most people are a pain to deal with, since they think with their emotions instead of use logic.

Raisinbrannan · 2015-08-03T07:09:46+00:00

All women should have to dress up as a man once in their life. My friend did it for Halloween and she was amazed at how badly men treat men. Women would absolutely hate if we treated them like men.

Veritas_potissimum · 2015-08-03T07:46:04+00:00

I'm in a field where nerds rule so imagine the gina tingles when I turn on my underhanded misogyny- these bitches be thinking I'm Superman.

ferengiprophet · 2015-08-03T12:20:28+00:00

And if you treat them like women they'll think you're sexist

RP-on-AF1 · 2015-08-03T13:14:05+00:00

My Air Force drill instructor made it a point to push his female flights to the same level as his male flights. But he only had one female flight, because they complained about him so much he was banned to only push men.

monsieurhire2 · 2015-08-03T14:11:26+00:00

Hostile environment? How about COMPETITIVE.

xcallide · 2015-08-03T17:28:00+00:00

While the "hostile environment" claim is not made by all women, all of them can claim that there is an "awkward environment". Unfortunately, the "awkward environment" is sometimes mistaken to be the "hostile environment". If there is an awkward environment, women in STEM should just deal with it, in the very same way that anyone who would get strange looks going into STEM would. If you're getting thrown into an environment where you are treated differently, the change in treatment is probably only partially because you are a woman. The majority of the change in treatment is due to the fact you got thrown into a different environment, in the very same way that the new kid in school needs to adapt to a different environment. It's not oppression if the kid can't fit in -- he just couldn't fit in. Bullying would justify "hostile environment" claims.

[deleted] · 2015-08-04T02:15:14+00:00

His comment was amazing because the reaction proved him correct.

Dearth87 · 2015-08-05T12:34:27+00:00

Just to be specific - it was not "Marie Curie" as the French would like it to be, but Maria Skłodowska-Curie. She was Polish, not French.

HumbleEngineer · 2015-08-06T21:39:49+00:00

Oh I have one of those stories. STEM course, as the nickname suggests. Me and 3 friends, 2 guys (one of which became a satellite Engineer, the other a train maintenance Engineer (I went to the structural side)) and a female friend of ours (she's a gas plant Engineer now). We are 4 friends with a band, now look at that! We used to hang out a lot, and, you guessed it, we are all her orbiters.

So, I, both male friends and female friend (8/10 maybe?) we are all fucked in classes. This professor is giving no shit to her. We are all pretty fucked, as the test was really hard. What do you do when you are fucked? You drink! So all the 4 of us go to the old parts of the city to get some drinks. Mind you that all of us are in a relationship now (not with each other). However, since we decided to play some music after the test, we were all without our partners. Just drinking.

So, suddenly, we decide to look other girls in the street. No attention to her except for the normal small talk. We are the 3 of us oogling over some hot girl passing by. This is too much to her. We are all looking at the girl and suddenly we hear: "you all think that I'm a man now right?", to which we reply "no way 8/10, you are our friend!", and resume to see the other girl. No shit, she just unbuttons her shirt (flannel or something like that), she is wearing a corset under it, and this girl has really big and pretty tits. So, she simply says "my titties are too big aren't they?". Objetive attained. What can we do, those were beautiful we were all oogling at her. One of the other guys just comments "a good tit is a tit that fits in your hand". So I say "let's try" and grab it whole with my hand. Once the other guys realize that she is cool with that, they proceed to do the same. So, this girl have been treated as a man her entire day, and just to salvage some male attention, she resorted to exposure of her body on the streets and groping. Pretty strong stuff.

Of course as a bunch of fucking nerds not one of us fucked her. But I grabbed that tit.

Good times.

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MapleDialga · 2015-08-03T04:11:17+00:00

I thought this was a shitpost, then I realised I was subscribed to TRP.

Deresetese · 2015-08-02T23:46:56+00:00

The fact that women don't want to be treated like men is obvious.
Treating two people with different strengths and weaknesses the same would be stupid.
Women have special treatment if you view it from a man's perspective, men do if you view it from a women's perspective.
And there is absolutely nothing wrong about either of those