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Field ReportEvery man can score hot women. (self.TheRedPill)

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Before you read, keep in mind :

- This is a field report. Words spoken by a woman in confidence, which I share with the community.

- By "Every man" I refer to guys that take care of how they look, have proper hygiene, are not obese/anorexic or don't suffet from major handicaps. If this upsets you, I suggest you ignore my post.

- My post may contain strong language. That's how I share ideas. Again, if this upsets you, I suggest you ignore my post.


TL;DR: Successful model shares how girls are turned on by experiences and masturbate to how a man made them feel as opposed to how a man looks.


I am a young adult, not half as experienced as most of you but I wholeheartedly digested the pill, this is a post that shows TRP truths in how women select male partners.

I have this friend, let's call her R.

She is a successful model ( the type that appears on magazine covers or has these 2-4 full pages of her pictures for whatever reason ) that turns a lot of heads and is approached daily.

R and I have known each other for a few years, had a fling but now are in the same friend group so we're pretty good and share stuff. She is drop-dead gorgeous, but far from intelligent and often shares way too personal stuff just because I ask the right questions.

Last night, we went out for drinks with the group and found ourselves in private late at night. I have no intention of sleeping with her, so we were just fucking around in a bar, having casual conversations.

Somehow, masturbation and human lust slip into the conversation and I say that men's natural tendencies are to masturbate often, every 2-3 days. She is amazed, and mentions that her ( and her friends ) find it usual to do so every 2-3 weeks, if they are not fucked to orgasm in that timeframe.

R is now curious and keeps asking more and more, and I have no intention of hiding anything. I said that if I find a porn video that turns me on enough, I could easily masturbate two times a day. I tell her that 90% of me being turned on depends on how hot the girl is, which comes in as a shock. Here's where stuff gets good :

She says that she masturbates to how a guy made her feel, as opposed to how a man looks.

My turn to be astonished ; she says that looks do matter, but she'll choose an average guy that takes the lead, makes her feel good and is spontaneous over a hot one that agrees with everything she says and brings nothing to the conversation.

I repeat, this is a hot girl, top 1% that earns her living solely based on how she looks. Solid 9, 10 if you like her type. I do not know who she sleeps with and frankly don't care, but this is what you should get out of this exchange and what I wish I knew a few years ago :

She'll take an average guy that knows his shit, holds frame and gives her the tingles over the hot guy you envy.Every time.

Stop finding excuses and bad traits in your looks, and become an interesting person that gives women good experiences.


[–]1aguy01 499 points500 points  (42 children)

Keep in mind when she says "average guy" she means 'the average of the top 20% of men that actually register in my brain'. She simply doesn't realize how many guys are invisible to her.

[–]prodigy2throw 94 points95 points  (21 children)

This is a very valid point.

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    [–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (8 children)

    Absolutely not. The "100%" does not include undesirables.

    [–]kinklianekoff 14 points15 points  (6 children)

    The 20/100 "rule" loses it's meaning if not everyone is counted. I do however agree that 20% is too many. Being top 20% is not enough to gain significant benefits in the SMP, it just barely covers the men able to have sex on a regular basis before settled for as BB.

    [–]1twinyix 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    You also have to understand that hitting the top 20% doesn't instantly get you laid. It exponentially increases as you get closer and closer to the top. You have to merely be the top 20% to even register in the girl's mind.

    [–]Mr_Andry 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Top 20% gets your foot in the door. Top 5% gets the SMP bonus points, and top 1% gets life on easy mode.

    I personally believe that the average man can put himself in the top 5% through hard work and study.

    [–]redpillthrower 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I definitely think a man could get to the top 1% through hard work and study (depending on how much hard work and study)...look at RSD Tyler...guys like that are out there.

    [–]Mr_Andry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yeah, but guys like that are still working to be where they are. That's not easy mode. Great benefits, but not easy. I really do believe there's an easy mode for guys like Brad Pitt who are just gifted with good looks that an average guy can never quite match.

    [–]soccerplusaviation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Define top 20. Because I have seen men all over the socio economic scale and in looks pull women.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    You think only the top 20 (of the top 20) need to have confidence with a girl?

    [–][deleted]  (8 children)

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      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

      the obesity rate for men is 70%! SAUCE!!!!

      [–]Elodrian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Keep in mind, those numbers are most likely coming from a BMI weight/height calculation. Those calculators are nuts. I am currently legitimately overweight and working on it. I have a target weight of 85kg, at which point I would be ~10% body fat. At 185cm tall, I would still be considered overweight at 10% body fat. For me to get to the middle of the "Healthy Weight" range, I would need to cut down to 8% body fat and then lose a full 10kg of muscle and bone on top of that.

      Take those numbers with a grain of salt.

      [–]Mr_Andry 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Wow. That really seems high. Maybe my perception is warped.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Additionally the military says on 25% of military aged individuals are fit for training. Some fail the intelligence and moral standard, but on balance were just not fit enough as a country.

      [–]trpftw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I just came back from the gym and I still feel guilty.

      [–]trpftw 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      What do they define as overweight though? BF% wise?

      [–]Elodrian 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Odds are it's not a body fat % calculation but a weight/height BMI of 25 or higher.

      [–]trpftw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      So basically like 22% BF or higher.

      The BMI seems to go to normal once you get around 20% BF.

      Man, 70% of guys with over 25% BF? That would be pretty ridiculous. That makes me feel really good about my BMI and 17.5% BF.

      [–]Myrpl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Either fat, think "gym" is where basketball players meet to play or believe that there's no reason to improve because being themselves is all they need to do.

      Bonus for taking fashion advice from their parents.

      [–]prodigy2throw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Definitely worth emphasizing

      [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

      Pretty much this. Ive learned that women were the worst ppl to ask about women

      [–]Mr_Andry 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      It's fun to get a woman's perspective as long as you always keep in mind that you're talking to a fish about how to catch fish. Sometimes it's good insider info. Sometimes it's very misleading hamstering.

      [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

      The average millionaire mens model. Yeah just a regular guy.

      [–]DuncanMonroe 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      I don't know. Looks-wise I might not be in the top 20%, but a current plate of mine is on the 9-level, tall thin blonde with big tits type, and she was into me more or less immediately. There really are exceedingly hot women out there who like different shit. By virtue of being under 6' tall, I should be disqualified from the top 20% of men my age. Well, maybe not top 20% but top 10%, which is probably closer to an accurate figure for what these women go for.

      [–]Tom_The_Human 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Since when did being under 6 foot disqualify you from having a high SMV?

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Women like tall guys because it conveys physical power . Short = low SMV.

      [–]trpftw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      WTFFFF....

      The average guy in the TALLEST COUNTRIES is 6 foot.

      The US average is 5 foot 10 inches.

      Basically if you are above 5'7" you shouldn't be in much trouble. Although being 6 foot + is great and being only around 5'7" can be a disadvantage, but not that much.

      It's very true that being 6 foot plus, is an unbelievable advantage. Not just with women, but also in the corporate world.

      [–]UniversalFapture 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      Another posted that it's a 70% obesity rate in America. Wouldn't being physically fit get her attention ? Think like a marine or a soldier guy.

      [–]1aguy01 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      It's almost 70% overweight, about 33% obesity - for women. Men's is lower.

      [–]UniversalFapture 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Jesus Christ. That doesn't make sense

      [–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Obesity is considered overweight as well...

      [–]UniversalFapture 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      And wouldn't RP tactics diffuse all this anyway?

      [–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Exactly, you know, just your average guy, 6 foot tall, 6 figure salary, not completely ripped - just 12 % body fat, with 600 friends and family on Facebook, and a completely rock solid stoic frame you know, a completely "average" guy.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      To be fair this applies to guys as well. We don't even consider fatties or below HB6s...just the top %

      The human mind could only attend to so much.

      [–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      Dudes will gladly have sex with at least 40% of women, and after some alcohol will go home with the top 60% of women. Women will give the top 20% of guys a shot that they can easily fumble.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Any statistics to support your claim?

      I base this purely from anecdotal research, but most guys would not settle for anything below a HB7, and when it comes to relationships, most guys would not settle for a girl that isn't a complete package (looks, personality, skills, past history, etc).

      Personally, I'd say only the top 20% of girls within my age demographic would qualify for me to engage in anything sexual with her. Anything below that simply isn't worth my time or my genes. I do however, make the occasional acquaintance for girls as a means to build social proof and power within the social circle (e.g. workplace).

      I'm not sure I'd agree with most dudes gladly having sex with 40% of women... that is a bold claim.

      [–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      That's probably true now, but going back 20 years that would change due to internet porn. Stop looking at porn for a few weeks and suddenly you start noticing significantly more attractive women... because you aren't ignoring so many of them.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That's a fair point, although I don't have a habit of watching porn (I'd say at most twice a month).

      I do have the habit of fapping regularly though.

      Guess it's good because I don't put girls on a pedestal, to me, 80% of them (and I'm talking about girls that are 18-24) are not-fuckable.

      [–]coop_dogg 149 points150 points  (12 children)

      Like Chris Rock says, women can't go back in life. Once they've had a taste of the fun and exciting lifestyle of a man who has his shit together anyone else that is less interesting is quickly deflected by her bitch shield. You just need to be the right type of guy to knock that down and make her feel good.

      [–]_the_shape_ 105 points106 points  (1 child)

      More succinctly put, "alpha widowed"

      [–]babybopp 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      Alpha widows will try to teach and recreate those feels with their betas-in-the-meantime, while they are looking for another alpha to show them new feels. It is so common to see men dragged to events such as Rock climbing by their SO's, standing there confused, when they would rather be home playing GTA.

      Chris Rock here

      [–]Magnum256[🍰] 16 points17 points  (3 children)

      women can't go back in life

      I think that's true for both men and women, the difference is that men often have no choice and must resort to less whereas women will use their sexuality to avoid it, and will often succeed assuming they haven't hit the wall.

      Everyone wants to be improving, moving forward, having more than they had yesterday.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Men do have a choice throughout most of life, assuming their shit is in order. It is women who lose their ability over time, especially when they hit The Wall.

      [–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Women can't go back in life

      I think that's true for both men and women

      Not at all. I've plated 7.5s before but I'll happily try and plate a 6.5 tonight because the pickings are slimmer where I am now as opposed to a year ago + I just want to get laid. Men will happily downgrade (as long as it's within their acceptable range to pass the boner test) just to get laid because getting laid is important to men.

      In contrast, women will not knowingly downgrade on men because they perceive the value of their mate as approximate to their own value, thus accepting a lower quality mate would be to accept that her own value has decreased, which she cannot accept. Moreover, women do not experience anywhere near as high sexual urges as men do (thanks, testosterone) so they would rather be single for 6 months than accept that they have to lower their standards.

      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

      This applies to guys as well.

      After I've fucked and dated a HB8, I can't go back to 5s or 6s. My standards have changed.

      [–]coop_dogg 25 points26 points  (4 children)

      Chris also said men can't go back in sex. Once you got your asshole licked, missionary duty sex ain't gonna cut it.

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      Hmm true that.

      Not sure if I was lucky or not, but the first girl I've ever dated was very submissive, into BDSM, liked it rough, etc. That said, she had a relatively low sex drive compared to me (which is the reason I broke up with her). Outside of the bedroom though, she too was submissive (albeit clingy), definitely one of the best girls I've dated since TRP.

      Now, it's almost like I have these high expectations for any girl that comes my way.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      And you should. The man sets the standard, and that bar needs to be very high. The girl always looks to the man in terms of her performance. You set the pace, the nature, the content of all interactions. You are the leader. I'm assuming, of course, that this isn't your hamster throwing away all opportunities coming your way since that first girl but that you're indeed imposing a healthy standard on all subsequent girls.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      "Show her the man you are, then she'll know the girl to become". I'm paraphrasing here, but definitely one of my favorite quotes that's been proven true time and time again :)

      That said, I messed up that relationship, and broke up with her out of my own immaturity. Regardless, lesson learned. Now, I just have higher expectations when it comes to women -- it's almost like I'm expecting this unicorn and won't settle for anything less, when instead it should be something more realistic.

      Sometimes, it's hard to spot our own hamsters. Everyday, I'm aware of my own thoughts and attempt to identify what's the right thing to do (i.e. approach that cutie). The way I conquer my hamster is if there's pretty much zero realistic repercussions to my decision (e.g. too lazy, not in the mood), I do it regardless.

      But either way, when I first dated that girl, I thought she was a solid 7. Now I look back and the whole scale has shifted down, she's a 5, and the HB8 girls that seemed "out of my league" are now HB6s.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 96 points97 points  (12 children)

      , every 2-3 days. She is amazed, and mentions that her ( and her friends ) find it usual to do so every 2-3 weeks, if they are not fucked to orgasm in that timeframe.

      Every 2-3 days for men is not often! Err.. anyway quickly moving on...

      Every 2-3 weeks for women - every female group agrees with each other. None will say "Actually I gotta go to the bathroom right now". It's all groupthink. Most women masturbate vastly more often than this, but in a group discussion they'll all just agree with each other.

      Although not super bright, this girl will feelz and hamster and paraphrase and mislead with the best of them - all designed to make her (and other women) look as good as possible in the current context. You are taking her words too seriously.

      "she says that looks do matter, but she'll choose an average guy that takes the lead,"

      She says that. But is that the actual reality? Have you observed this happening with her? I'm skeptical.

      [–]crack_tobi 21 points22 points  (0 children)

      Skeptical is what I was when I went thorough the entire post.

      [–]Red_pills 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      Judge what they do not what they say.

      Girls are never honest with a guy about masturbating it has too much stigna around it still.

      Mattyanon is spot on.

      [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      take away the stigma and they're honest. I've never made a girl feel bad about fingering herself so they've all been honest with me, even the girls I never fucked, that they do it and a lot. We're talking at least once a day for the girls I've spoken to. One girl who never even tried doing it with lube, I gave her some and when I saw her next she was all smiles and super happy I gave it to her. Again, that's masturbation, not even sex.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I just know what a different story I've had from women when they are into me. Totally different story to when they're not.

      The most instructive experience I had was with a girl and seeing the difference between how she presented herself in public and in private. Exceptionally skilled at manouvering conversations in her favour, wrapped my friends up in knots (especially on any sex subject) without even needing to lie much. Just phrased things carefully and she came across as charming and sweet and sexy and playful, but without ever committing to anything "untoward". In private with me: total slut.

      She's actually a great girl, but the public/private difference was amazing. And instructive.

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          [–]SmokesQuantity 19 points20 points  (3 children)

          well would you be surprised she might not be too comfortable telling you hotter guys make her cum faster?

          Also consider that she might even believe what she says but that doesn't make it true. Like when girl says she just wants a guy to bring her flowers and eat cookies while watching sex and the city with her..

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            [–]redpillersinparis 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            That's a different point, stop bullshitting.

            [–]SmokesQuantity 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Of course not. But that still doesn't mean your friend knows what the fuck she is even talking about.

            [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 98 points99 points  (14 children)

            The title is a bit off, but I like the post. /u/Archwinger explains it better below. Let me just drop this in here...

            Women don't want to feel good, they want to feel (Physics Analogy)

            TL;DR Don't be afraid to make a woman feel uncomfortable or seem like an 'asshole'. A woman wants to feel both positive and negative emotions. She wants her emotional state to fluctuate with great frequency. Do that for her, and she is much more likely to reward you with the loving warmth of her thighs.

            [–]Smooovies 34 points35 points  (6 children)

            Just like Patrice said, anger is the same thing as love to a woman. It's all emotion.

            [–]1xwm 25 points26 points  (5 children)

            As is anxiety/fear, which is why dread game is so effective. It doesn't matter which emotion it is, but the stronger the better.

            [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 13 points14 points  (3 children)

            As is anxiety/fear, which is why dread game is so effective. It doesn't matter which emotion it is, but the stronger the better.

            The importance of this insight cannot be overstated. A woman without drama is like a man without a mission. Her life feels empty and unfocused - and without a source of drama, she'll eventually drum up some of her own out of thin air.

            [–]1xwm 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            and without a source of drama, she'll eventually drum up some of her own out of thin air.

            Which is why it is critical to start your own. That way you control the battlefield, which is one of the keys to winning by default.

            If she never wins a drama fight, two important things happen simultaneously.

            • It sets a precedent in her mind of you always seeming to be right. (Which is invaluable)

            • She begins to wonder why she can't win. Are you just better than her? Do you not care about her or her feelings? Clearly yes and no respectively otherwise you would cave to her need for _____ now and again. She must need to work harder to make you treat her the way she "wants" to be treated.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Would you say that the only way to let her win in is the form of you creating and passing comfort tests (or are there other ways)? So the drama that you create is due to her reaffirmation of your high SMV and her fear of becoming less of a priority through the implementation of light dread game?

            If light dread is the only way to let her win, by result of comfort tests, then much more field testing could be made regarding different and new variations of light dread game. Just my thoughts

            [–]1xwm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Everything you said is right on. I don't know how many comfort tests I would advocate for plates, but for a relationship, she has to see that you allow her to win every now and again (different from her winning) through comfort tests.

            My game runs entirely off light dread. It works very well for me personally, because it fits with my personality.

            [–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Also undoubtedly a substantial part of why rape fantasies are so common among women. It seems in some cases women can even enjoy actually being raped - source: a sex blog written by a woman (Life of a Lover Girl, ugh):

            Actually, and I know this is terribly un-pc and perhaps a bit dangerous to admit (thank God this is fairly anonymous) but there was at least one time I was raped for real and actually enjoyed it.

            [–]NightGod 11 points12 points  (1 child)

            Don't be afraid to make a woman feel uncomfortable or seem like an 'asshole'

            As soon as a woman smacks your shoulder and says, "You are such an asshole!", the decision to have sex is now in your court. It's 100% your game to lose at that point.

            [–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I always find it ironic now that on dates, the more faux-pissed off the girl gets as you tease her, the more she unwittingly initiates kino by doing stuff like the shoulder punch, playfully pushing you away, grabbing your hands/arms to move them away if you are using them to gesture etc. At that point she is literally doing your job for you by giving you kino and making it easy as fuck to escalate.

            [–]RedDeadlift 12 points13 points  (1 child)

            This is so true. I inadvertently pissed off a plate a few days ago. She was "yelling" at me over text to fuck off (she got offended because I said I didn't care about having sex with her). I almost deleted her contact info because I didn't expect to hear from her again. But of course in a matter of hours she was telling me how sad she was an how she wanted me. It's so clear in hindsight. I am definitely still digesting the pill.

            [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 41 points42 points  (0 children)

            Dont take a woman's feelings seriously. They're either a childish tantrum, a shit test, an attempt to manipulate, an attempt to garner sympathy, beta bait, or just to vent and rattle her feeelz. Let her sit there in her chaotic mess, she loves it and does not want you to solve her problems.

            [–]1RBuddDwyer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Most of the time, when a woman starts saying "I feel..." in a conversation, or when she keeps droning on and on about "that bitch Jenny at the office..." or when she keeps dragging up ancient history (yours or otherwise), she is really doing it to relive and reexperience the emotional state she felt at the time the original event occured. She is creating her own current. If she is doing it while you are there, it probably means:

            1. You are not providing her with the emotional fix she wants or needs.

            2. She has so little respect for you and your time that she feels okay to emotionally "rub one out" in front of you.

            Either way, if you provide the emotional fix she needs, then you win.

            [–]truchisoft 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Totally, my girl gets really lusty when I dread her "Can't see you over the weekend, see ya on tuesday"? I end up getting tons of dirty pictures and tales of how we she was "who knows why" and how much she masturbated

            [–]tomysotomayorfuxboys 20 points21 points  (5 children)

            This is common knowledge (or it should be). Men care about looks and women don't care about looks that much. That's why the market for visual porn is exclusively male.

            Some women assume that men are attracted to the same things they're attracted to. So, for example, women think men should be attracted to them because they're "confident", or "successful", as if that means shit to men and their desire for hot-looking women.

            On the other hand, some men also assume women are attracted to what men are attracted to. So they think women only want hot-looking men with good bodies.

            [–]Casanova-Quinn 21 points22 points  (1 child)

            I would say women care more about looks more than you're presuming. However, looks alone only get you so far. I think of it like a house, looks get you through the front door, but not necessarily into the bedroom.

            [–]kinklianekoff 9 points10 points  (1 child)

            Yet being muscular and ripped is demonstrably one of the most effective ways to increase success rate with women. We fool ourselves by downplaying "looks" as a factor of SMV. Facial attractiveness is one of the best hands you can be dealt in life.

            What needs to be driven home in threads like this is that mens SMV is a sum of more parts than womens and probably has a lower cutoff point in any one factor. Our biggest strengths can overcome our weaknesses.

            Looks is one of the easiest ways to increase SMV. That is why it is the first advice given here.

            [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

            These PUA/ REDPILL fucktards dont believe that looks matter...just leave them to get scammed by PUA's

            [–]RedPillMat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Up until very recently, i never went in for the kiss. I never took a girl home, up till the age of 22 I never approached a girl. I still got laid every so often with good looking women because I'm an athlete and good looking. You'd be surprised how much looks help. If I was short and ugly with that same attitude I'd be a virgin.

            [–]gnt_1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            Aww we've been over this already - you should not believe what women say about what they find attractive. Something about a fisherman and a fish, you know...

            [–]Senior ContributorRedPope 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            You slept with her already. You self-identify as average. Presumably you did all the things she listed: taking the lead, making her feel good, being spontaneous.

            My conclusion: She wanted to hook up again. You're a past partner, you don't increment her N-count. You've proven you're not going to get awkwardly attached. She wanted a discrete, no strings, one night stand. You are the ideal candidate.

            Everything she said, all that crap about average men, she was not giving general advice to the masses, it was custom tailored to you.

            She said "I like guys who are A, B, and C," to a guy who is A, B, and C. She said "I need to orgasm every 2-3 weeks or I have to go home and masturbate," while out drinking with a man and talking about sex.

            This was not a confession, it was an invitation.

            [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 60 points61 points  (25 children)

            Women seduce themselves.

            I am an average-looking guy on my best days (sure I'm tall and blond over blue, but nothing special to look at) and I tap some sweet ass by amused mastery, DHV and solid steel frame--IOW, tight game.

            I don't even bother with anything lower than an 8 now, b/c although I won't get every 8, I will get enough of them to keep my dick satisfied, and, most importantly, if I can do it, other guys can do it, too.

            [–]TheDarkSideOfFloyd 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            This post is actually some pretty good shit

            [–]1RBuddDwyer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            She says that she masturbates to how a guy made her feel, as opposed to how a man looks.

            Emotions. Make a girl experience them, both good and bad, and she will become addicted to you. If you can effectively drive a woman's emotions and make her feel everything, she becomes yours.

            P.S.

            Words spoken by a woman in confidence, which I share with the community.

            Something about that sentence trips me out. It works on many levels.

            [–]muscularPHD 5 points6 points  (5 children)

            Ignore what women SAY. Watch what they DO.

            What they do is fuck good looking or high status men. OP is blue pill as fuck.

            Sure, listen to women. Then you can be nice and buy them flowers when they say that's what they want.

            How many smoking hot women are with ugly guys? Even if she's a snowflake it's not the norm.

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              [–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I'm seeing the opposite. A lot of 4-6 women with men who clearly can get 7's but are settling.

              [–]muscularPHD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I am in Romania

              May as well be a different planet from the USA. Want some advice? Stay there.

              [–]1SuperStalin 16 points17 points  (2 children)

              First - I think it's a mistake to listen to what women say, even when drunk.

              Second - I've never had a problem keeping a girl with me. From the moment we fuck, they start acting posessive and keep calling for more - unless you're completely awful at sex and/or making them feel an exciting sexual encounter, you won't have a problem keeping a 9 or 10 around.

              The problem has always been how to get to that sexual encounter. The best way is to project an image of a disinterested, rich, popular alpha guy. But for that she has to engage in an interaction with you, and the best way to attract her is to look as attractive as possible... in that arena, even your most attractive look won't be enough at times. It's not just that expensive shirt you wear, it's your entire look, your friends, their clothes, the place where you stand in the club, who you know, how many people look up to you...

              That's why women regularly end up with guys who seem like alphas, but are actually just rich or tall, handsome guys who always got the attention of women for granted - and these women don't get sexually satisfied, and they think that's the way it's supposed to be.

              My jock friends or rich friends idea of good sex is to "bang her brains out" and "stick it up her ass". Dominant guys. The women are fine with that, until they meet the first guy who knows how to be dominant yet skillful... passionate but gentle, gentle but with a hint of violence, violent but attentive etc. you get the picture....

              But it also depends on where the girl gets her tingles. You can be a sex god in bed, but it won't work usually if she's a calloused person who gets her satisfaction from other women's envy... or if she's damaged by something in her deep past. Everything else you can circumvent by great sex and never ever losing that alpha man frame around her.

              Just never listen to what she's saying. Women learn from a young age what's appropriate to say in which social situation. They talk, every imaginable and unimaginable thing you can guess, the girls have been discussing it at lenght, each and every facet, any possible scenario and outcome. Do not ever think you just had a heart-to-heart conversation, or you will be fooled eventually.

              [–]through_a_ways 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              but it won't work usually if she's a calloused person who gets her satisfaction from other women's envy

              This describes women in general, perhaps even all women.

              Women are far more likely to be interested in a man if she knows that other women express interest in him.

              [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yup. It's impossible for me to keep a woman. I can score the hot ones 8-10/10 but there's such a large pool of men who are just as attractive or better, make more money, there's no reason to stay. They won't stay with the next one after me either so I stopped caring.

              [–]ChairBorneMGTOW 6 points7 points  (3 children)

              That was probably an IOI for you there bud. At least for the limited info available to judge the situation

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                [–]Throwaway_ned 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                So you friendzoned a model. I'm stunned...

                [–]AdonisHera 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                I slowly grasped this concept not too long ago. I've seen some ugly shrek looking fuckers with gorgeous women. But damn did those guys have confidence and a mouthpiece like no other. It's all about how you make them "feel". The key with us, is the inner confidence and balls to make the approach. Abundance Abundance Abundance

                [–]epixs 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                I noticed this as well. Would completely treat certain girls like shit while on tren and they clung even stronger.

                [–]ferengiprophet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Don't ask the fish how to catch them; ask the fisherman instead.

                [–]NakedAndBehindYou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Before you go thinking this is some revelation, remember the golden rule: don't listen to what women say, watch what they do.

                She may say that "feelings" matter over looking like a stud, but the collective experience of TRP is that lifting and looking good are one of the fastest ways to make her feel attracted to you to begin with. So really, her 'revelation' of feelings over looks is pretty damn worthless. The looks are half of what inspires the feelings to begin with. Has she dated any short ugly guys lately? Probably not.

                [–]chwed2 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                One guy trying to speak for all guys, one girl trying to speal for all girls. Both instantly believe each other

                you two were made for each other...intellectually speaking.

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                  [–]chwed2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  What? No that wasnt my point (I didnt downvote any of your comments here btw nor do I intend to), and I know you somewhat recognised it but I wanted to emphasise that trusting what shes saying at face value and as a basis for all women is silly. And no, I don't mean that morally (i.e "Who is she to make such a claim blah blah") I meant in general to take what she says with a grain of salt.

                  I forgot what the coined term was here but I've found thus far that in terms of attraction women will say things they genuinely mean at that exact moment they say it but will subconciously and quickly twist or outright change their view and again 'genuinely' believe that new one. Some good samariton who has been following the case of that murderer, Amanda Knox, refers to people like her adapting 'super-truths' where they will say what ever benefits them at the time and completely 100% believe it just because they said it, as they can't face the reality of...well...the reality.

                  [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Confidence is not value. Women want value. If you show lack of confidence they'll assume without further review you have low value or none. If you show confidence but actually have low value your odds are still very bad, depending on how dumb / young the girl is.

                  [–]NineInchPitchfork 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  My ex (of 7 yrs) was a model. Sadly, NOT every man can score a model. But I can tell you how to improve your chances.

                  You have to understand that their (models) idea of average is not normal. Her idea of average will be a male in the top 20-30%. The lower a man is on the SMV scale the more he needs to offset that with a remarkable attribute(s): intellect, athleticism, humor, money and power are the main ones (in that order).

                  I attended a lot of parties and social events with her and saw how models and the HB 9+ operate. Here is what I can tell you about them. One thing you should know is that underneath an outwardly confident persona (from runway shows and public shoots), most models are an insecure mess. They know they are loved only for their looks and one day that will evaporate. It scares them.

                  They usually quit school early or put education aside to model so they are in awe of someone who is intelligent IF you educate them and NOT humiliate them. Tease them about being beautiful and dumb and you might as well have taken a shit on the floor.

                  By athleticism I don't particularly mean being in shape (though that helps but only so much) but playing a sport and being successful as an athlete. They respect the effort and work it requires to succeed.

                  The reason that being in tremendous shape is not that big of deal to them (especially if they are a print model as they are often paired with male models for shoots) as they see it regularly. A fantastic body is not that interesting to most of them.

                  They are under a lot of stress (it's a cutthroat business where a loss of SMV means you are done) hence the drug taking and other destructive behavior. This is why they like funny. If you can make them laugh, you have a shot.

                  One last thought: approach with confidence. They all talk about how no guys ever come up and talk to them at clubs (or the ones that do are douchey drunks). Show your smarts or make them laugh.

                  [–]PlusGoody 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Almost every man can score with dumb hot women.

                  Smart hot women recognize that their beauty is a precious asset and they don't share it lightly.

                  I work with some of the best-looking smart women on earth -- young analysts and marketing officers for big hedge funds, private equity funds, and VC funds -- and most of them have never dated anyone who isn't a centimillionaire or heir of one, or a good-looking millionaire or sure bet to become one. Their life-cycle of show up in NY or SF, hang around for 2-5 years, $100k rock on their finger, retire to a city-socialite / Hamptons / Aspen housewifedom is reliable as the sunrise and sunset.

                  [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  What an absolute joke! LOOKS is everything.

                  This forum is such a joke promoting this RSD/PUA bullshit

                  the real redpill is LOOKS MONEY STATUS!

                  LOL if you dont think women are as superficial about looks as men! WAKE THE FUCK UP PUATARDS

                  [–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  100%. The girls who are 17-25 are noticing me a shit ton, starting random conversations or eye-fucking me, purely because of looks. It isn't money: I show none and intend to always show nothing that says "money be here". Ever. I don't want gold-diggers or muggers in my face. It's looks. And it's not even social proof because often I'm alone when this happens.

                  [–]pinstrap 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Can someone show this post to the recent horde of insecure Indians over in AskTrp?

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                  Women masturbate every 3 weeks? LOL! Yeah right. Who believes this shit?

                  [–]musclebound92 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                  Some girls don't masturbate at all. Some do a few times a week.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  I bet most are Atleast 3-4 times a week. If not daily.

                  [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  most girls I ever knew were 2x/day with vibrators. That's on top of regular sex, even daily.

                  [–]Ali0_o 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  just goes to show the "innocence" of women.

                  [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  Thanks for sharing OP. I think when it comes down to it, confidence is everything. That is why you'll often times see a 5/10 male with a 8+ chick. Girls are willing to go down in number if a guy is smart, witty, and confident.

                  [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  Best advice I ever got from this sub

                  Don't listen to tip in game from good looking guys getting good looking girls. Listen to ugly/average guys getting good looking girls.

                  [–]1APookIsAPook 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  And she'll take a hot guy who can give her tingles over an average one.

                  [–]ECoast_Man 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Well this is no surprise.

                  A great hero from history on this topic would be Henry Kissinger. He was actually told multiple times by the establishment to keep his philandering with young women to the accepting states of NY and CA. He also joked openly that, 'there is no greater aphrodisiac than power'. Very true.

                  [–]afroose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  she says that looks do matter, but she'll choose an average guy that takes the lead, makes her feel good and is spontaneous OVER a hot one that agrees with everything she says and brings nothing to the conversation.

                  It's powertalk. look at the example she gave she described a monk. To see it like she sees it imagine this, i'm giving you the choice between 2 pen, one 4-color who can't write and a basic pen Bic that write. You take the basic one right ?

                  The choice is obvious but this only works if you have 2 choice, pen are everywhere you can get it for a cheap price even for free, she won't take any of them because she has plenty at home. Hypergamy.

                  She has a huge pool of candidate and she never said that you don't need to be hot to get her, she just prefer an average alpha over a hot dumb guy.

                  [–]Merwebb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Yes this gives hope to everyone but it is a post of what a woman said, not what she did.

                  Go stalk her and come with a real report

                  [–]watersign 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  lol who cares what she says. what she actually does is what im interested in..

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  thanks. I'm 5'3".

                  I needed this.

                  [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I'm 5'3" and I didn't. It means nothing. Improve yourself and give no fucks. That's what actually works. Also not be ugly. Having a fit body does help me but my face is what girls notice first and like first. For a while I wasn't sure but in the winter when there's nothing to see but my face there is no other option.

                  [–]DRAG-ON_DRAGOON 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I understand the intention of this post but what makes you think what she said wasn't complete bullshit?

                  [–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  By "Every man" I refer to guys that take care of how they look, have proper hygiene, are not obese/anorexic or don't suffet from major handicaps. If this upsets you, I suggest you ignore my post.

                  That's like 20% or less of men. That's very far from "every man".

                  I'm not upset or ignoring your post but words have meanings and you put "every"

                  She'll take an average guy that knows his shit, holds frame and gives her the tingles over the hot guy you envy.Every time.

                  Absolutely not. I see them taking the hotter guy in better shape who's disheveled or even, to my shock, saw an easy 9.5/10 with a guy I once worked with... he wasn't bad looking but not amazing but this day I saw them out, he smelled like a fucking skunk. I swear to god he was never like that at work but this day he smelled like he came out of a sewer. And yet she was all over him. I guess he was good looking enough to be over that line so hygiene clearly didn't matter there.

                  For women looks really do trump everything, or an absurd amount of money to make up for lack of looks.

                  [–]novaksnow 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  What is knowing your shit?What is holding a frame? I would thank you if you could respond to this cause im not english native.

                  Also when I see some hot women I always think they expect a Brad Pitt looking guy to go talk to them and not me. So I shy away cause of that.

                  [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                  Don't be concerned with giving a woman what she wants. Your concern should be getting what you want. Don't be intimidated by what you think she wants, because even the fattest most hideous women feel entitled to Brad Pitts

                  [–]Muddpup64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I actually have some interesting input from on this. A while back ago my friend's dad introduced me to swing dancing. Well as this was going one of his dancing friends pulled me out on the dance floor to show me some stuff. She's probably in her mid 30's not bad looking but alright. Definitely somebody I would never be interested in under any circumstance other than this. Long story short this women takes me out on the dance floor and seduces the fuck out of me. A person whom I would never even as thought to be attractive. Just goes to show you this goes both ways, for men and woman.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

                  Stop finding excuses and bad traits in your looks, and become an interesting person that gives women good experiences.

                  Why should I do this when I get nothing out of it? What is to be gained? When you know the shakes; why play a game that you not only have no business in playing, but don't really want to play anyways?

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                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                    You do all of these for yourself foremost, while getting laid is just a bonus.

                    It's not a bonus, man. I don't do it; that's it. Politically and mentally I'm celibate and against sex. That's just what's resulted from the damage.

                    Being able to deliver stories flawless, which takes practice. Just being all-around fun. If you're happy, it shows.

                    Check my history, brosephus. I'm pretty much incapable of being happy; it's part and parcel with the rest of my crazy. I'm 27; so I've got some lead time on you. (And while you may be categorically better than me in every way; that really just proves my point even more.)

                    I don't do hobbies anymore; since feminists infiltrated and ruined my other ones. (That and hobbies require skill and friends; neither of which I have in any capacity.) I've read a few Classics; the thing is, there is nothing I like anymore. I'm at this point where I can't interact with anything without hating it; which is essentially to me, returning to my childhood where this mentality dominated my life the most.

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                      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                      The moment stuff like picking up surfing or trying rock climbing stopped sounding fun to you, you gave up.

                      There are no places like that around where I live. And physical hobbies require you have physical coordination. That's sports stuff; I don't do sports stuff. Men who do sports stuff hate me on principle; almost immediately on sight. Thus; these kind of things aren't fun for me; since socially, I get nothing out of them, and personally, I see no good results from it.

                      It's beyond anger phase; it's a tacit rejection of the entire universe because I was rejected first. Why would you care if it gets better? Would you not want me to stay mad or get worse; thus making your prospects personally better? How do you benefit from a potential opponent recovering?

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                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Then pick up essential stuff, your savings and move out to somewhere you've always thought of visiting. What stops you from doing this?

                        I live in Alabama; there is no savings. It's all just hand to mouth; and what happens when that fucks up so hard that I have to run home? Because if I leave; this place goes under and I have nowhere to come back to. That's what stops me; that and the social anxiety that makes living in town unbearable. (I tried it once; melted down so hard that I nearly ended up in a police altercation. Crazy people and neighbors do not mix well!) Since there are others who depend on me; I cannot leave. (I don't even own the car I drive; it's on loan from my maternal grandfather because none of us have any credit to even dream of. And my student loan garnishment proves that I cannot finance a damn thing.)

                        In almost anything you do, you start as a total beginner. That's why people are there to teach you.

                        I can't deal with this, man. That's part of being crazy--well, my crazy at least--is that I can't stand the shame of failure, even in the beginner phase. I know that's another problem with me; but when you've seen yourself fuck up entirely too many times, you stop doing things because the results don't change. No one even has to point it out; I can just see things in a comparative light and end up never going back to somewhere because I embarrassed myself once. (Old Man had a habit of beating the everloving shit out of you if you dare did anything to bring shame on him. But he would shame and embarrass us for laughs. Damage lasts; no one who is weak ever really recovers...)

                        That is what your low confidence says to yourself, but that's what everyone thinks of themselves too. Humans are more worried about how they look/perform/talk/smell/etc. rather than how another individual looks/performs/talks/smells. If you don't mind yourself, they don't either.

                        I'm talking from experience, man. I do mind myself; I fucking hate me worse than anyone else ever has hated me. It's the core of the entire thing; even more so than the hate I have for existence, is the hatred of my own existence. It colors everything I do and say; I've tried to get out of it, everything just proves me justified in hating myself.

                        Are you seeing someone regarding this issues? I have not had depression or thoughts this dark, but I had a good friend that tried suicide 3 times and I would lie if I said I would have been okay with him succeeding.

                        No; there are no competent psychiatrists in Alabama. That also costs money I do not have; pills are ridiculously expensive and have never helped. I also do not feel that I could be honest with a therapist, because then they'd lock me away. (If they don't just slash the Mental Health budget altogether in my state and let all the nutters loose in the streets. There aren't enough open beds at hospitals as it is...)

                        I don't have that kind of time; and all the close friends I had ran out after they figured out the truth. I can't be helped; I'm too broken and too worthless to even bother with. Someone I devoted my teenage years to; a cousin of mine who I helped move out of his abusive home and get him on track three separate times now refuses to even speak to me because in his words: "You're so weak it's not even worth talking to you. You're a dynamo of energy when you're not thinking about bad shit; but as soon as the slightest trouble comes on the horizon, it destroys you!"

                        You were not okay with your friend succeeding; but don't act like you care about me killing myself. Also know that it's an inevitability unless someone has me committed to the asylum.

                        This is not a game or a competition. Life is not a free-for-all. Life is, as far as we know, the only timeframe where we can choose what we do, every minute of every day for as long as we live. That is the sole best thing to have ever happened to any of us, and we'd be fools not to take up this opportunity.

                        That's only if you're good at it. Life is torment if you suck. That's been my entire experience. I cannot think that this is the best thing to happen to me; the best thing that could have ever happened to me was being left in a bin to starve to death just after being born. (It would also be better for everyone else.)

                        [–]franklyforthright 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        I think you'd do well reading Real Time Relationships

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                        Why? Stefan can be all he wants to be; nothing he says can fix what's wrong here. It doesn't matter; because no relationship will go the way I need it too, nor will it ever be maintained without acting out of concordance with my self and morality.

                        Why is that hard to get? I don't do these things; because I find them to be reprehensible. I don't use resources that others will need; I don't do things I'm not good at. I do not engage women in any kind of conversation; because I know how things will turn out already. I understand my place in life and society; as far away from it as possible. No one else wants to see me there; they would only become agitated if I tried, because no one likes a tryhard.

                        [–]the99percent1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        And you should take what women say seriously?...

                        The only takeaway here is learn Game.

                        Alpha males don't necessarily have to be handsome

                        [–]wagingpeace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        lol In other news - My nuts are itchy.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        This is why every single man in this thread needs to study Ross Jeffries. This is simply more evidence of what Ross has been saying all along.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        When she says average she means men with the looks and the height and build of a male model..dude. Anyway, you american dudes have it easy. you need to be part of the 20% to get laid? Then don't be fat, that's all it takes to be part of the American top 20%. In Europe you have to be tall, handsome, perfect hair and teeth. etc

                        [–]SIDWULF 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        No they can't, not if they don't take care of their body.

                        [–]Transmigratory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Stop finding excuses and bad traits in your looks, and become an interesting person that gives women good experiences.

                        Tell that to the "all things being equal, the X type guy wins".

                        [–]scarletspider3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Your right she isn't very bright. Most chicks would never give up their secrets. Keep pumping her for info.

                        [–]mygodimpathetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Stop finding excuses and bad traits in your looks, and become an interesting person that gives women good experiences.

                        Preach. I was amazed while I was backpacking solo in a hostel Hawaii, and basically befriended 6'1", tanned, Euro Chad, who was traveling the world surfing, and had majored in "sports." This Canadian chick was also there, and he introduced her to me. I could tell she had a bit of a thing for him, she was flirty/giggly. We all hanged out and then next day went to a bar/club crawl. Now, while I wasn't really competing with Euro Chad for this Canadian girl, I was basically going all out to have the most fun on my last days and I was in "God"-mode for finally being in Hawaii. My confidence was thru the roof in an IDGAF/Im-On-Vacation kinda way, and my Colombian background, salsa dancing and conversation totally turned this girl's attention from Euro Chad to me. On my last night at 3am, after we'd come back from partying and had said goodnight, this girl came outta her room (again) to mine's to say one last "goodbye" ...as I was finishing packing. I didn't/couldn't bang her for a few reasons (flight was at 6am/she wasn't really worthy) but it really clicked for me that a lot of women go for confident alpha-type/IDGAF guys -- i.e preferring an average-looking, 5'8" guy who gives her tingles (me), over a 6'+ male model type of guy who didn't.

                        This also reminds me of that post about the lesbian reporter who lived as a man for 18 months. "Feminist journalist decides to lives as a man" or something like that.

                        There's an interview question that stuck with me, the one about the difference between men's and women's sexuality. She said something to the effect of: "For men sexuality is a physical need. For a woman it's mental. In in her mind."

                        [–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        How she feels probably depends on other things neither of you mentioned. Like, how he smells.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        "She'll take an average guy that knows his shit, holds frame and gives her the tingles over the hot guy you envy.Every time." HAHAHAAHAH bullshit

                        [–]GMUwhat1234 -4 points-3 points  (12 children)

                        lol no you can't. No matter how much game a fugly guy has, he will still never get an 8+

                        [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 17 points18 points  (3 children)

                        The more accurate way to state this is that every woman has a bare minimum looks threshold. If you don't have at least that, game over. It doesn't matter how awesome you are in any other respect.

                        However, OP's point is that the bare minimum looks threshold may be lower than one might assume, at least for some women. Obviously, if you're actually ugly, you might not even get her to look up from her phone or her drink. But if you're a so-so looking guy who carries himself and lives like he's awesome, you might be selling yourself short by assuming you need to look like Brad Pitt to bother trying.

                        [–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        This is just not accurate. I've seen counterexamples. I think a lot of really hot women figure they've got the looks thing covered. Looks don't excite them, it's not something they lack or are fascinated by.

                        So really an ugly guy can do fine there. But he has to bring other things to the table. Assertiveness, intelligence, money, for example. Even if she doesn't get your money, the fact you have it makes you a winner, exciting, having some ability she cannot get.

                        [–]throwaway-aa2 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                        how about you actually read the post

                        [–]GMUwhat1234 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                        I did dipshit. Show me all the 10s u bang

                        [–]throwaway-aa2 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                        Apparently you didn't.

                        By "Every man" I refer to guys that take care of how they look, have proper hygiene, are not obese/anorexic or don't suffer from major handicaps.

                        He's not talking about fugly men. He's talking about men without any major handicaps. If you read the post, you didn't do a good job of it.

                        [–]Osama_bin_Lefty -5 points-4 points  (6 children)

                        men's natural tendencies are to masturbate often, every 2-3 days

                        I do 2 a day MINIMUM, sometimes 3 and always 1. Surely the average is more than every 2-3 days unless you have a partner?

                        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        I don't think I was ever that high, but when I was a kid once or twice a day wasn't unheard of.

                        It all depends on the individual, but 3 times a day sounds pretty damn high to me.

                        2-3 times a week sounds closer to average as far as I know. Some dude once a week, some dudes every day, usually somewhere between.

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