After being asked whether it's easier for girls to get laid, AskWomen responds "Ugh, it doesn't count as sex if he's an unattractive beta!" (self.TheRedPill)

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Summary: What's in the title. Girls barely even register beta males on their radar. They only notice the presence of the top 20% (or even narrower) males in any given location, and fight for the right to sleep with him.

Thread here.

It's always fun to see bluepillers accidentally agreeing with RP theory. You know how feminists keep telling men that there's always "a woman out there for every guy" and that all he needs to do is be nice and pleasant and soon he will find his star-crossed soulmate? Yeah, no. And here's the proof. OP asked AskWomen if it was true that women get sex easier than guys... and their brains immediately went into fucking overdrive. Rationalizations flying left and right like bullets in Fallujah. Let's take a look at some of the more entertaining ones.

It's fairly hard to get ANYONE to have actual sex with me. Oh, I could find someone who'd use me like a fleshlight, stick their penis in me, but ... I wouldn't get off, I wouldn't even come close, and I don't see how that counts as "woo, I got sex" in any but the "I could possibly have gotten pregnant or contracted a STD".

Translation: Nobody has sex with me! Well, okay, guys I don't like are lining up around the block to give me physical validation, I suppose. But that's not what sex is! Sex is only when it's an attractive alpha male pounding you, not some ugly skinny nerd."

Exactly - there is no "yay!" unless I find them attractive. In fact, the thought of letting someone inside me that I don't find attractive makes me want to puke.

Daily reminder that the presence of beta males (yes, even just the mere thought of them touching a woman) makes her want to vomit up her guts.

Seriously though! I have been trying very hard to have sex for about a few weeks now with that same proposition. It's like that scares them off or something i have no idea. initially they are SO down but then they fade. and i'm left sexually frustrated and confused.

This chick claims that she just wants no-strings-attached sex, then she starts pouting and whining when it turns out that the guy leaves her after sex is over. Hey, bimbo, isn't that the point of NSA sex? I swear, women have no capability to process consistent logic...

It's harder to get them to fuck you, first of all. Because, obviously, they're a much smaller group than "every dude I don't want to fuck," and they often have - because they're hot - higher standards. If I wanna bang 20% of the dudes I see, and 10% of all dudes want to bang me, 2% of the people I'd bang would be open to it, and 8% of people I don't want to sleep with would be. Factoring in the idea that hot people have higher standards, now only 5% of the hot guys would hit it, and 20% of the rest. This means that out of a hundred dudes, 17 people want to fuck me, but only one of them is someone I want to fuck.

The hilarious part of this above quote is that it's by... an AskWomen mod. She literally spelled out RedPill theory (women only want the very top fraction of males, the rest can go to hell) even while proclaiming herself to be a proud feminist who don't need no man.

(Also, later in the thread she admits she weighs 250 lbs. Further proving the theory that even a terribly unattractive woman can still get laid by at least 17/100 men at any given bar.)

Definitely the second. The men I'm attracted to are usually attractive. They have options and standards. I'm not hideous but I am chubby, which is the second worst possible thing a woman can be (just after being fat/obese) according to society. Some guys might be willing to overlook my chub in favor of easy sex and my pretty face, but attractive guys, guys I'm attracted to, don't have to make tradeoffs like that. With a small amount of effort they can pull a woman with a pretty face and sexy body.

And finally we come to the climax. Attractive men have options. This enrages females because they're used to receiving lots of attention from betas. That's why, when Chad merely glances in their direction and smirks, they wonder - what's wrong? Why isn't he salivating over me like everyone else? Why doesn't he want to kiss my ass like all these other guys orbiting me?

It makes Chad a mystery, irresistible.

You heard it here first, folks. RedPill theory is so obvious and grounded in reasoning that even that fortress of sad feminists, AskWomen, blatantly admits that we know what's up.

Now, go lift and get in that top 1% of males so these women will start sucking your dick.

TL;DR: RedPill theory abounds in AskWomen thread. Girls admit that it's easier for them to get a ton of sex, but they're so entitled that they won't even admit that it counts as sex unless it's delivered by an Alpha.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht 368 points369 points  (96 children)

. . .chubby . . .

250 pounds



That made my fucking day.

Seriously, what level of morbid obesity do women have to reach before they look at themselves in the mirror and see landwhales staring back at them? Like, fucking seriously, do they need to be immobile or some shit before they say, "yep, I'm a fatty."

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 118 points119 points  (7 children)

250 is chubby to these bitches when it comes to themselves, but when we want a woman who is even remotely into working out and not within a 5 year range of us we're Adolf fucking Hitler.

Edit: I guess, my suspicion is true. Women are dreamers. Their dreams are not based in any sort of reality. The mind of a woman must be a place where gravity simply exists around objects where her attention is currently focused.

In any case, now that you know women are [idiot] dreamers, it shouldn't be so hard for you to hold frame.

[–]eatDiscoBiscuits 48 points49 points  (5 children)

when I read the five year range somehow I made a connection with the movie interstellar, that their mass is so great that perhaps we are 5 years away from them because of the gravity from their weight.

ok im drunk nvm

[–]1oldredder 29 points30 points  (2 children)

No, dude, you nailed it! Dipping into that fleshy gravitational well will rip 7 years off your real life for every minute you're in!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Touching yourself is a part of the flight i guess...

[–]my_redpill_account 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If that's chubby I'm a holocaust survivor. Jesus fuck man

[–]KartagoPill 33 points34 points  (11 children)

Yes and guys have sex with her. Feminism. Nuff said.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht 31 points32 points  (10 children)

Bro, if you want a real shit show, go to a town near a military post. Go to a bar and just people watch. Observe the fatties as they get to pick and choose from relatively fit men who at least have a steady paycheck, small though it may be.

[–]betarex 35 points35 points [recovered]

Dependapotumus in training

[–]Hatorader 5 points6 points  (7 children)

"Dependapotumus", fuckin hilarious, I'm stealing it sir. And no, I will not give credit.

[–]bjs_and_doggystyle 12 points13 points  (6 children)

You couldn't give credit if you wanted to, that word is as old as the military itself.

[–]LandShark805 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Not true, in days of old, we referred to them as Dependasaurouses. Some women were big as brontosaurs from the back.

[–]Avedas 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm near a US Navy base in Japan. I went out once and left almost immediately. It's pretty disgusting to see the contrast when you move out of the American area and there are just plenty of hot, thin Japanese girls everywhere compared to the fat Americans.

[–]KarYotypeStereotype 34 points35 points  (2 children)

That's the most ridiculous part. If I weighed 250, she wouldn't want to fuck me - I'd be one of the puke-inducing guys. But if she, shorter and female, weighs 250, it's society that's got the problem.

[–]6of1halfdozenofother 8 points9 points  (0 children)

But, you know, double standards only benefit men.

[–]DodgedAFew 66 points67 points  (38 children)

250 pounds

And this it how it looks: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1pladoVhT1qhr2st.png


[–]Science_isthenewcool 104 points104 points [recovered]

That is straight up disgusting. I wouldn't fuck her with someone else's dick.

[–]cosine88 16 points17 points  (3 children)

It'd be better to kill it with fire.

[–]CharlieIndiaShitlord 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I prefer -

  • Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

[–]ARedSchoolofThought 41 points41 points [recovered]

I think the real problem, if we take her for her word, is that 17/100 dudes want to fuck her.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht 54 points55 points  (17 children)

Dude, that's more than fair on her part. Shit, I'd say that there's a higher percentage than that who'd man the harpoons.

If she goes to an area where the dudes are particularly thirsty, like towns near military bases or Comic-Con style events, she's likely to actually be able to be choosy.

It's sad, but that's just the way it is.

And you know, I can't hate on her for that. If desperate dudes will dive into the fleshy abyss, then who am I to judge them, or her?

The only thing that annoyed me is when women like this would hit on me aggressively. I'm actually not a terrible asshole (at least not to clearly fragile people), so I'd do my best to be cordial, but I was always a little dumbfounded. I just thought, "Seriously, why are you putting me in a position where I have to tell you I'm not interested--at all; isn't it obvious I'm way out of your league?"

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 44 points45 points  (10 children)

I used to go to a night club, and regularly (fully clothed) strippers would come in to recruit new girls for a strip club down the street.

My buddy and I always liked this - mostly because the girls were pretty and since they weren't stripping, they weren't really looking for men as marks for money - so you could actually flirt with them.

One time, I yelled out to him, "The strippers are here!", as they walked in, which made one of them start laughing hysterically. She and I start to hit it off. After a friendly chat, we end the conversation - she has to go recruit girls, and I've found that talking to a girl a few times in an evening works better than one monolithic conversation.

We're mildly flirty with brief exchanges over the next hour, and I decide it's time for conversation #2. All the strippers are starting to get dressed to leave (it's winter), so I know it's go time.

Just as I'm walking towards her, a gargantuan landwhale makes a diagonal directly at me, and literally blocks me from the hot stripper. Just about jumps in front of me out of nowhere, for no fucking reason. She starts to try to chat me up, and I am trying to end the conversation, to get around her (a difficult task, I assure you) without looking like a complete spaz.

And she will not leave me alone. I almost thought about physically pushing her, but decided that that would only end poorly.

By the time I got free of her, the stripper was with all her stripper friends, leaving.

A damn tragedy.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht 28 points29 points  (8 children)

Dude, whales are notorious blockers. That's why every crew needs a Medal of Honor winner--someone needs to jump on the grenade.

[–]kanji_sasahara 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I actually enjoy being that guy, especially if a friend is seriously into her friend. Side benefits If I express enough interest the whale might get me some drinks and maybe a cig if I'm in the mood. There are worse things.

Edit: A word.

[–]1jb_trp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I had a landwhale become an impromptu wingman once. I stopped in the pub after the gym on a Friday night and I looked like shit. A cute blond with perky tits (HB7) comes in with her friend, and because I was gross and sweaty looking after working out I didn't think twice about approaching.

Well, the landwhale beckons me over next to the blonde and tells me I better make something happen. I ended up making out with the this HB7 and getting her number.

The funniest part was when the landwhale was going to leave. Somebody asked if her if she felt okay walking home alone in the dark, to which the landwhale retorted, "Oh, I'm so fat that it would take more than two guys to pull me into the van!"

God bless that nameless landwhale.

[–]1independentmale 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Right? I enjoy practicing game on the whales and have no trouble entertaining them for a bro if I'm not trying to pick up. Just because I chat her up for a bit doesn't mean we're fucking later.

[–]TRPn00b 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There was an RSD Julien video where he talked about chatting up the fat chick to distract her and offered to take her to McDonalds as a pretext to get her away, and then ACTUALLY TOOK HER TO MCDONALDS. Lol.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She just came out of nowhere. I had no idea she could move that fast. Fire in the hole indeed.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Like a Social assassin, Ie Larry David when he gets sent to have the awkward conversations with people. The social assassin would step in say, "so my friend is way too polite to actually say this, but I'm not- he's clearly not interested in you. Go the fuck away"

[–]TheDialecticParadox 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If she can't have you, no-one will goddamn it!

[–]ARedSchoolofThought 5 points5 points [recovered]

I completely agree with you and would say that the number may actually be higher as well. What I'm getting at is that this is the problem. How much lower must the bar go before society as a whole does a power squat to raise it back up to acceptable levels. It is disheartening that ~1/5 of the male population would be able to get it up for that, let alone fuck her. O well, I guess we just enjoy the decline.

[–]beginner_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So about 1 of every five dudes in her age range? Never ever. if she looks like that pic she is waaaay to gross. Here you literally have to search for such fat pigs in < 40 age group. There are just too many slimmer women, even for betas and betas have pride too. I would not have hit that with a 10 foot pool even in my worst beta days.

[–]2IVIaskerade 4 points5 points  (0 children)

want to fuck her.

Well, want to put their dicks in her and use her as a self-lubricatig fleshlight.

[–]bustanutmeow 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Come on mate. At least chuck in some eye bleach for those of us who don't want ocular trauma

[–]Dr_Killpatient 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This seriously needed a trigger warning.

[–]6of1halfdozenofother 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Jesus fucking christ. And she has the balls to bitch that the men she wants, don't want her. No fucking wonder why princess.

[–]CounterTony 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not even certain that's actually 250 pounds. I would have guessed ~200 pounds. So if that isn't the mod in question, then she's even more revolting.

[–]Tom_The_Human 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If that's the mod, how the fuck can she rationalize that she has a pretty face?

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

doctarrr Evil, I want ta ate yarr baybeeeeeeee!

[–]D-stroyer 25 points25 points [recovered]

I don't blame women anymore for having such high standards since men are willing to fuck them, and so it works for them. However, you couldn't pay me to fuck a fat woman that size. I could do 140, 150, and have even done 165 but 250lbs well that's just absurd.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Lol you and most of us here are the 20 percent that they want.

[–]saibot83 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I did a fattie once just to see what it was like. Broke a damn rib. No more fatties for me.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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[–]GrizzlyJones 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Hahahahahaha! Did she even feel bad about it?

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[–]doveenigma13 16 points17 points  (3 children)

"curvy" is what they use for their tinder profile.

[–]2IVIaskerade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“A few (hundred) extra pounds"

[–]1oldredder 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I swear if I could do it I'd make hologram-infused mirrors that detect if a woman's genuinely a fatty and when she's in front of the mirror, a hologram of Ahab pops out with a harpoon.

Just to make sure to drive the point home.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I'm 6'4" and when I was 250lb I considered myself obese...wtf is wrong with these women?

[–]2rp_valiant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

same, I'm 6'5" and am working my ass off to get back down to around 200lbs.

[–]beginner_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah damn. US must suck. 250lbs and chubby. Just lol. 250lbs is way beyond fat. It's just disgusting. Chubby is around 160 lbs (depending on height).

[–]vvancruz 4 points5 points  (2 children)

"I'm not fat! I'm thick! Real women are curvy! You're just not man enough to handle ALL this!"

[–]ddelicia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

holy shit that woman weighs more than me and I'm 6.3ft with 15% bf and she says she is chubby? Why ham planets are so delusional I don't get it.

[–]2niczar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well you don't know, maybe she's 8" tall. That would make her chubby.

[–]lll_lll_lll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You never know, she could be 17 ft tall.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 91 points92 points  (29 children)

There is a reason for this cognitive disconnect - it shouldn't surprise any of us. As Stardusk and Rollo have pointed out before, the "war bride" psychology, combined with female hypergamy, is an evolutionary construct that helped our species survive and expand. Critically though, these processes are not conscious, otherwise they would not be as effective. They cannot be, by necessity, because they are psychological defense mechanisms. In order to function properly, women cannot be fully aware of them ... otherwise it would cause extreme cognitive dissonance. Hence, the hampstering.

Stardusk's Take

Rollo's "War Brides" Post

Women are simply operating on the same biological imperative script (find and mate with that top 10-20% alpha) that they have for thousands of years. It's debatable if there is any conscious malice there. Likewise, any anger from men is misplaced. We are angry at being misled about the true nature of things.

But sex and reproduction drives the world, and thinking humans are somehow "enlightened" animals that supersede that is, quite frankly, fucking ridiculous. Evolution has shaped every aspect of us, including our brains and the psychology that goes along with it.

There is a purpose to the things we do, even if we are not cognizant of it. Most of it revolves around sexual reproduction and maximizing our genetic legacy, even if it doesn't seem so at first glance. A few thousand years of cultural evolution doesn't change that - it merely hides it behind various costumes and rituals. Once you understand that, it all makes sense.

Don't listen to what women say. Watch what they do.

[–]CruiseCruise 56 points56 points [recovered]

We are angry at being misled about the true nature of things.

I think that's a big point. I think a lot of the anger comes from feeling misled. To make it worse, deep down we all suspected the truth all along, and we kind of felt like we were being fed a line. To buy into bluepill thinking you have to deny your own instincts. You have to accept what someone tells you, even though a part of you is saying "this doesn't seem like it's good for me."

And when it suddenly seems that what they (society, mom, girlfriend, dad, advertisers, politicians) were telling you was not only false, but harmful to you, and somehow was serving THEM, it triggers a huge sense of anger and betrayal.

And the greatest betrayal came from ourselves! Deep down we always sensed this stuff. (Seriously, have you NOT known your whole life that chicks like muscles, that tough guys get laid, that placating doesn't lead to harmony?) We always knew this stuff in our gut. And we let ourselves down. This is what really stings.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 44 points45 points  (7 children)

Seriously, have you NOT known your whole life that chicks like muscles, that tough guys get laid, that placating doesn't lead to harmony?)

I started waking up to all this stuff when I was young... but it just kept getting emotionally beaten out of me. Noone else would admit to any of it. People just kept repeating the party line (men and women alike).

And this is a critical difference.... men will try to steer women into being more attractive and respond better to more attractive women. Women will try to steer men into being less attractive, presumably in order to secure their beta bux. No woman will ever give you good dating or improving advice for this reason. "Don't go to the gym honey, you're fine as you are". "Actually I like that you've got a dad bod, don't change!". etc.

Men would never say "Don't go to the gym honey, I like your love handles and the way your ass sags".

I know I tried decades ago to be... I guess in some ways red pill. But the steps I made just made things worse, because I was treated as a naughty beta rather than more like an alpha. And this is part of it all ... kick the betas back into line if they step out.

It's almost impossible for well adjusted young men (family oriented, stable, good background, extended family) to make this jump by themselves. Literally everyone is against you... and the girls you try to date will also lie to you about what you should be.... just try going from being seen as a niceguy to being slightly cocky and see how much beta shaming is heaped upon you from all sides.

With noone on your side, you optimise your life for the best results... and without being able to see to the alpha glory of the other side of the mountain that you keep running into, you kinda settle into the beta life.

I always felt I deserved more though, so I never settled down with the women I dated, and then I discovered PUA and more recently TRP.

So, no I do not feel that the greatest betrayal comes from ourselves. I think we are the victims of longstanding psychological warfare waged against us.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Women don't care about your looks as much as you think - as long as you fit a certain mold, generally a handsome face, you're ok. They care WAAAAAY more about 'how you make them feel'. This can be because you show that you have your own life and passions that take precedence over her (women absolutely hate that in a boyfriend/husband but conversely are attracted to that), you take care of yourself and continue to move up in your mission (regardless of her opinions or complacency) , and you have social proof (interest of other women for whatever the reasons may be).

Females know that the 'best looking' male is too subjective of a criteria on which to base their attraction. They get off to 'feelings' they have (tingles) and the romantic narrative fantasy they have in their head that includes you (or the impression of you they base the fantasy on). As long as you don't look like danny devito, you can generally pull a hot chick just by acting the right way. This is why breaking frame is the nail in the coffin. Women who are around a 6.5 and up know they can fuck pretty much anyone they want, if not literally any man. What a man looks like is not that relevant. Its the frame that you present yourself in, and the romantic narrative they create in their head that revolves around that frame that they are attracted to. Break the frame, even if you're a "hot" guy, and the game is over. Once the narrative fantasy is shattered, its like you didn't exist to a woman.

Men who 'don't give a shit' generally don't break frame and fit a certain 'mysterious' fantasy image for women. Which is why women love 'bad boys'. Even the butt ugly ones. I've seen a dude who was fat, hairy, buck teeth and shitty hair, with a bad bitch beside him. Why? He has managed to maintain the 'mysterious bad boy' frame (even though its an illusion) and has not yet broken it. Therefore, the woman is still attached to the narrative. Once the fantasy is shattered - its over for you, no matter how "hot" you are.

I have beta'd myself around 6's and 7's and never got laid. When I acted confidentially after receiving an IOI from a 9 (by almost all standards. All my peers drooled when she walked in the room) , we dated for almost 2 years and we did the nastiest shit together. Once I dumped her as an irrational response to an argument - the frame broke, and it was over. She had a new man in 2 weeks.

My looks had nothing to do with women wanting to fuck me. Its all about ambiguity of whether you give a shit about them or not. If a woman can't tell if you give a shit about her or not (very rare, most men immediately give away their attraction), she will do anything to find out. If you make it clear your "friendship" is just a means to get laid, they see you as a beta, no matter how physically attractive you are.

[–]Merwebb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is exactly the point im discovering these days.

Some days i just dont give a fuck, or im absentminded and i get looks and smiles, some other days i give a fuck and i get not even a sneeze from nobody.

[–]AllOrDeath 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Do you believe that all or most female attraction is based on an illusion? Also, why did breaking up with that 9 break her illusion?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I acted way too emotionally. She perceived it as weakness and my 'mysterious' image was shattered. Our entire relationship was based on her idea of who I was. When she saw that I wasn't what she thought, it was like I never existed.

Women try to obtain a certain level of security from mates. Because the options for women are so vast, they narrow down a certain fantasy that they want to live out. Because women can generally be manipulated very easily, the way their potential mate behaves is enough to queue the fantasy narrative in their head.

I do think attraction is generally an illusion for women, because they have an outrageous amount of options. They have to create a narrative to places their current lover in a 'special' way that makes them better than any other lover. Us men are willing to fuck any girl who gives it up, simply for the release of the mechanical urge to fuck. In other words "get lucky". Women don't need to get lucky - they need to find a way to filter through all of their options, so they create a fantasy and attempt to live it out through their mates - who will fit the fantasy through behavior (as long as you're not hideous).

I also think that Women do seek a 'prince charming' but when that Chad doesn't give them more attention than is required to fuck them, they call him an 'asshole' but secretly still yearn for his attention. They simply do not need to contemplate sexual strategy and attraction to the level that us men do, because they can literally go out and get fucked by a different guy every night. Their ideal mate is the Prince Charming that doesn't need them. He can get any girl, but chooses her. That's what a girl really wants. That man, obviously, does not exist - just a little bit of temptation will break that. Look at Tiger Woods, etc..

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm angry that even when we find the truth and can back it up with evidence and logic, we are STILL told we're wrong and then we're demonized on top of that.

[–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Seriously, have you NOT known your whole life that chicks like muscles, that tough guys get laid, that placating doesn't lead to harmony?

This never took me by surprise. What shocked the fuck out of me is learning that they are not attracted to nice guys who treat them well, despite constantly begging and wishing for it. Let me rephrase, tell her what she wants to hear and do the opposite... they'll stick around for longer. Or at least fuck you better and more often.

So much shit I learned by being in the friendzone and then gaining more confidence. Smh. Its damn near retarded. I understand them preferring the more muscular guys, the ones with money, AF/BB, and all that. But what bothers me is how much more effort they put into a motherfucker who doesn't want them. You can take two guys who look exactly the same. Both have the same style and fuck the shit out of her. But one guy ignores the shit out of her and the other gives her everything she wants. She'll end up choosing the guy who ignores the shit out of her every time. At the very least, he'll get the pussy with much less effort.

Don't even get me started on pre-selection.

[–]Purecorrupt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It definitely is the "feeling" of betrayal for me. From my perspective that "feeling" of betrayal is from society not particularly women. Since society isn't something one can particularly easily take revenge or "anger" out on it's a lot harder to get over. I think this is why some people may be stuck in the anger phase, because they want retribution and find it difficult to reach acceptance that people's nature/actions =/= people say.

[–]Temuzjin 6 points7 points  (7 children)

Women are simply operating on the same biological imperative script (find and mate with that top 10-20% alpha) that they have for thousands of years.

Was it common for alpha men to have multiple women during most of our evolution? That would explain the "only look at alpha men" strategy, which otherwise seems counterproductive.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 2 points3 points  (6 children)

There is scientific evidence for that at least at some points in human evolutionary history, 17 females reproduced for every 1 male.

This is supported by various scientific studies on human genetics, such as the one that came out a few months ago in the journal Genome Research from a team of over 50 leading geneticists across the globe: http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/17-to-1-reproductive-success

Think about it this way: prior to the advent of genetic testing, if you have sex with the alpha in the group, then there is a chance your children might be his. You would gain enhanced security in the group, and potentially greater protection, less chance of being ostracized, or anything happening to your children. You could still have sex with lower ranking males, usually in exchange for resources like food. This is actually similar to female Chimpanzee mating strategies. In other words, these evolutionary drivers go back to before we were even humans, rooted in the dangerous and violent world of our primate ancestors.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

This is pretty dumb. Women can't blame their pickyness on biology because "that's how is been for thousands of years". Silly argument. If that were the case then I could use the same argument to justify going out and raping every woman I see. Because that's the most effective way to biologically spread my seed. It's not my fault, blame biology.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

This analogy of hypergamy to rape is an great example. You noticed that our basic instincts are witheld by society but the female's basic instincts are being protected by it. They are allowed to rape us mentally, we are not allowed to rape them physically but the difference is that we don't even want to.

[–]NecroticFury 1 point2 points  (1 child)

no they are allowed to rape us physically as well. Many states define rape as forced penetrations only.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I'm angry that i'm an ape that has to partake in outdated and primitive, biological imperatives. This shit is obsolete, it won't be long until we overcome these inefficiencies via genetic engineering or AI. So I feel like it's fine to be angry about such things. I mean, we live and walk this earth to squirt seed at women ffs. How mundane.

[–]1oldredder 5 points6 points  (0 children)

it's actually far more efficient than any machine method would be. For repair, adapting, learning, everything. Even the most efficient AI emulates the same thing with genetic programming.

[–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it drives the weak.

I will take the enlightened path. Sex only with the best and if those girls want to fuck my life up for sex, not even with them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thinking humans are somehow "enlightened" animals that supersede that is, quite frankly, fucking ridiculous

I try to slip this in subtly into conversations with others, and it's immediately met with the idea that it's advertising or social construct.


[–]1Snivellious 83 points84 points  (2 children)

When I first visited TRP, I was incredibly skeptical. It was full of obviously untrue shit like "betas make women want to puke". I read the sidebar anyway, and figured "eh, they're just exaggerating to make a point".

Since then, every day is another reminder that no, this is literally true.

If you promise them anonymity (or even if you don't) and get them spun up about "unattractive guys", women will tell you that the thought is vomit-inducing. 250 pound women will say they're only attracted to "hot guys", then cry about societal standards when those guys don't like them back. Women redefine "get laid" as "get the man I want most" to justify their lack of fulfillment.

For all the talk about how misogynistic TRP is, I don't hear a lot of people reacting to "80% of men are subhuman and make me want to vomit".

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

This is what really got me in the end.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That's the thing with TRP. When you read about it, you kind of get it but you're still unsure about some of it. But when you apply your new perspective to what you see around you, you see that everything you read here is actually true.

[–]1thiasus 119 points120 points  (23 children)

They only notice the presence of the top 20% (or even narrower) males in any given location

And, guys, this is not just a number thrown out there: women rate 80% of guys as worse looking than average, while the curve for men is incredibly symmetric.

[–]CuriouslyRed 35 points36 points  (5 children)

Another piece of evidence when looking at tinder.

The graph at the bottom can be very interesting; if you are right around 80% in attractiveness (Top 20%) only 5% of women will like you.

[–]diskillery 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I find the graphs interesting. I will note that at first I don't know if I find most of my exes attractive, and usually I think they look interesting, rather than hot or attractive at first. Over time I fall in love with the persons features but usually most guys look odd or particular at first, rather than sexy immediately. There is the occasional WOW guy I pass on the street but usually it takes time to be attracted to a man's appearance. Maybe attraction is more complicated for women in a way that makes men initially perceive new women as more attractive.

[–]Senior Contributorveggie_girl 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Female attraction is simple. It's an equation of looks+/-status+/-confidence. A guy can be ugly as hell, but if be has social status he is attractive. E.g. Howard Stern. Confidence is a self-status, aka the amount of status a man places on himself.

[–]CuriouslyRed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would say that doesn't just exclusively happen with women, I for one am the exact same way. In general I would say people become more attached the longer they know someone and attractiveness starts to be more than just a physical thing. But maybe it is just more prevalent in women??

Also that doesn't really disprove the fact that in general it is easier for women to have sex if they so choose. If anything it supports it, as it would imply that if a woman decides she wants to have sex that particular night she would have many suitors as men would be focused on physical attraction which is immediate, where as in the opposite scenario it would take longer for women to become attracted. That may indeed be part of the puzzle but I think there are more factors at play here.

[–]Elodrian 11 points12 points  (8 children)

Help me out here; the first graph looks to indicate that women find over half of men (on whichever dating site) rate a 0-2 out of five, and that less than 5% of men rate a 4+. So far so good. But then the second line on the graph is saying that the top 5% receive ~10% of all message traffic, while the bulk of messages go to men rated at 2/5. The x-axis divisions are a little wonky but it looks like men at 2/5 make up 25% of the sample size and receive 25% of all messages (proportional) while 3s, 4s, and 5s, receive an increasingly disproportionate share and 0-1s get relatively few IOIs.

If anything, the conclusion I draw from this graph is not "You must be in the top 5% to get laid", but that "You must not be in the bottom 35% (0-1) to get laid".

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Here's my interpretation of the graph.

When gauging the female messaging rate, you have to keep 2 things in mind:

  • you can't message people that don't exist - this means that if there are almost 0 guys who are rated 5, the share of messages sent to them will be accordingly.
  • women barely message anyway, so the amount of messages they've sent doesn't say you much.

Here's what I wrote elsewhere about that statistic:

Women: A good 55% of men are judged unattractive, 40% are middling and 5% are judged as highly attractive.

Or you could just say that 57% of men are judged extremely or very unattractive (0 - 0.8), 25% are rather unattractive (1.6), 12% are considered average (2.5), 5% are considered rather attractive (3.3), 1% is considered very attractive (4.2) and 0% are considered extremely attractive (5). I.e. only 6% of men are considered different shades of handsome, 12 % are average, and a whopping 82% are unattractive.

Looks even worse, doesn't it?

When we look at male messaging rates, we see that the top attractive women get 25 times the messages that the least attractive woman does. Even more, we see that 66% of the messages goes to the top 33% of women. So that 80/20 rule the red pillers claim, which is that 20% of the men get 80% of the attention really fits to how men treat women.

No shit, men are more interested in attractive women. Like in real life, everyone dreams of having a shot with the model, and unlike in real life, approach anxiety is nigh non-existent. Who would have guessed!

The chart shows that women's messaging is closer to a Gaussian curve. It looks like women send messages to 60% of the guys who are unattractive to medium attractive. In fact, the most attractive men get very little messages!. In fact, 10% of the men rated least attractive get messages from women in contrast to 0% of male messages to the women rated least attractive.

Different interpretation from the OKC founders:

when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable. But with the basic ratings so out-of-whack, the two curves together suggest some strange possibilities for the female thought process, the most salient of which is that the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her, but she then goes right out and messages them anyway.

Also, on top of that my interpretation: every woman apart from the least attractive gets smothered with attention and guys sucking up to her. Yeah, even the average ones who are in the 50th percentile of attractiveness. However, the constant stream of validation only compounds her self-image of a desirable hottie and supports the development of an "I deserve better"-mindset. However, when it comes to actual dates, the "above average" guys (a whopping 6% of the male OKC population) aren't interested in her. Maybe not even the "average" guys (still only 12%). So she finally "settles" (:cough:) for the "rather unattractive" guys in the 60-70th percentile of overall attractiveness and probably thinks that she's doing the guy a favor although in relative numbers he's still considerably above her.


So what does this mean? Well, perhaps being less attractive might help a guy do better with women.

Since women hardly actively message, that's BS. But you know that...

Most attractive males have 80% luck with mediumly attractive women. However with unattractive women, their reply rate drops to 40%. Why? My personal guess is that women know these men are out of their league. The least attractive men have about a 45% reply rate from the least attractive women. However the least attractive women have a 35% reply rate from the least attractive men.

Yeah, about that... again, my interpretation: what's astonishing about that graph is not that the most attractive guys (the top-rated 1%) have the highest response rate if you disregard the least attractive women, but that the highest reponse rates come from women who are notably worse-looking. The top 0.1% have the highest response rate (almost 80%) from women who are below average, the next 1% have the highest response rate from really unattractive (~67%), and the next 5% after that have the highest response rate from the utter bottom (also ~67%). In other words - these women have still a very skewed perception of what is potentially within their league.

Of course you can compare these numbers to similarly skewed male response rates, however, the caveat is here that men are a lot more generous with handing out high ratings.

But if you're a guy you don't want to be too attractive.

Are you serious?

Sure, if I am a male 10 and want to hook up with 1s and 2s, I have a problem. Also if I am too stupid to write mails myself. But otherwise you can't be too attractive.

So you would agree that this validates the 80/20 rule in favour of women right?

If men got what they wanted, it would apply. However, non-stellar men rarely get what they want. Unsurprisingly, guys would prefer a pretty GF; but when it comes to actual dating, most men are forced to rationalize why they compromise on looks. Also, a guy dating horizontally (i.e. a woman in his own percentile of overall attractiveness) still does reasonably well. If your 5-girlfriend passes the boner test, it's sufficiently easy to consider the 9 at your school sour grapes.

Rationalizing why they settled also applies to women to some extent, but women are still more picky overall and if they're willing to just spread their legs, they can "date" considerably out of their league.

Under female messaging and male attractiveness, am I wrong in saying that the hottest men get the least messages?

Yup. The hottest men amount to 0.1% of all men (rough estimate since the graph isn't that detailed). They get 1% of all messages, though. (again rough estimate). The next 1% get 4% of all messages.

Great. so we can find common ground in agreeing that sometimes being hot can work against you.

No, I am saying you're wrong. If you're in a group that amounts to 0.1% of a demographic and you get 1% of all messages directed at that demographic, you're overrepresented by the factor 10. What's so hard about that to understand?

Once again dating is much different than sex. When I read that article I see that she had sex with tons of guys but....she didn't date many of them. So yeah, if women spread their legs men will want to have sex with them..... but they won't date them. And they don't prefer them and they won't go after them, just tolerate them because sex is sex.

Absolutely. However, that experience can totally skew a girl's perception of her own attractiveness when it comes to relationships. And even if it doesn't, it may still be hard for a woman to adjust to an actual relationship because she's used to hotter guys.

My favorite case (it's admittedly an especially egregious one) is a young woman I know who has been swinging for years. She's obese, unattractive, jobless and on top of that not even pleasant to be around. Nevertheless she had fucked muscular guys, well-endowed guys, multiple guys at once, and from what I gathered that's what she wants in a partner and in a relationship. Her problem is that she's extremely unlikely to ever get a guy she'll be remotely attracted to because any guy who checks all her boxes (or just a few of them) should definitely be able to do better than her.

[–]1Snivellious 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wow, thank you for a thorough analysis. I've seen these charts, but you have put a lot of thought into them.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Even more, we see that 66% of the messages goes to the top 33% of women. So that 80/20 rule the red pillers claim, which is that 20% of the men get 80% of the attention really fits to how men treat women.

That's a bullshit claim for more than just the reason you gave.

It's also a bullshit claim because it's equating what women do, which is to cut off the bottom 80%, with what men do, which is to message the top 20% first. Men are simply sorting their search results (likely by age and body type), and messaging the hot chicks first. The 80/20 rule does not apply to women. A hell beast of a woman will still get plenty of propositions. She just has to be a little patient.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children)

That graph is kind of retarded. Why would they rate it from 0 to 5, and then base it on 7 data points? So the 7 data points are for men rated as 0/5, 0.83/5, 1.66/5, 2.5/5, 3.33/5, 4.16/5, and 5/5.

And the distribution seems to be (respective to those data points), 26%, 31%, 24%, 13%, 5%, 1-2%, and <1%. Which at least adds up to 100%.

That is so fucking stupid I'm starting to doubt whether that graph's data can be trusted.

But anyways, that means that 81% of guys are "below average", 13% of guys are "average", and only 6% of guys are "above average".

Gentlemen, I think we were a bit wrong. The correct ratio is the top "6%". Holy shit.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Gentlemen, I think we were a bit wrong. The correct ratio is the top "6%". Holy shit.

I suspect it's worse on Tinder/OKCupid than real life. She's got 100 messages to look through, all chasing, all zero investment from her so far. Easy to pick out the top few percent. (Women don't realise that those 100 men are not all available to her, that they have also all messaged 100 other girls. They don't see that, they just see the 100 messages and treat it as 100 options, they pick the best of course (wouldn't you?), and all pick the same 5 guys, who strangely enough don't want to commit because they have so many other options).

In real life, she doesn't have as many good options today as she says she does. She might have 100 messages on Tinder, but she won't get 100 approaches. She is also more aware of the other options the top guys have because she can see them flirting with other women.

[–]Elodrian 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Women rank them as below average, but they still send them messages at a frequency that follows a roughly gaussian distribution. This might be another instance where "Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do" applies. They say the 50th percentile is unattractive, but they express interest as if it were.

[–]CanadianMastermind 4 points5 points  (3 children)

And, guys, this is not just a number thrown out there: women rate 80% of guys as worse looking than average, while the curve for men is incredibly symmetric.

Speaking as a gay guy, I think a large part of it has to do with the culture around physical appearances. A much higher percentage of women, at least in my experience, give a shit about their appearance. There's many things that average-looking people can do to make themselves more attractive, and this applies to both men and women. It's just that average-looking women are more likely to concern themselves with those things. Buyer nicer clothes, maintaining a decent diet, etc.

Meanwhile, average-looking guys get hammered with the message over and over again that women don't give a shit about looks, that they only care about money and status. So you end up with hordes of average-looking guys who pay no attention to how they dress, who don't hit the gym, etc. And then they complain about statistics like the one you quoted.

[–]1oldredder 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I'm seeing the opposite. Most men know looks count for a lot but know they have no strength of mind & body to do it, or bad faces from bad DNA so they can't fix that. The women know looks count but try to cover up with make-up to pretend-look-better instead of getting fit & a good healthy diet, not a fad diet.

Women are generally stupid so less of them go for fitness than men, and generally lazier than men, leading to the same outcome.

[–]dmystery 65 points66 points  (13 children)

250 lbs and making comments like that? Jheez was it Christ that said something about greenhouses and stones?

[–]the_number_2 54 points55 points  (3 children)

Oh man, so last night I was chatting with the girls on my pool team. One is going through a divorce right now (she's 40 and the size of a deuce-and-a-half; she's seeing a new guy 5 new guys already), another has a new "boy-toy" (this girl is the young one, 24 I think, and still about 230), and the third is mid thirties and... about 250.

The subject of what "counts" came up, and it was universal between each of them. Some of the things they genuinely think don't count:

  • Friends with benefits
  • One night stands
  • Sex before becoming "official"
  • Sex with someone from another state
  • Sex with someone whose name you don't know
  • Sex in high-school
  • Anything non-penetrative
  • Sex with a condom on (yes, they were saying that doesn't count)

One of these girls claims that, with all the exclusions (and I may be missing some), her N-count is 3. When I asked her to remove all the exemptions, she said, "A lot... like, a lot a lot. I'm kind of a slut."

No shit, Sherlock.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (1 child)

I so badly want to believe you're making this up....

[–]rockyhoward 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Nope. All true. One of my ex girlfriends broke up with me to go with a muscle bound ricer, after a while or so, she came back looking for affection since the other guy treated her as a cumbucket. Being the Beta I was, I accepted her back even though she hadnt officially broken up the relationship with him. She promised she'd do it and stalled. What ended up happening is that HE broke up with her since he was alpha as fuck and drowning in pussy (ffs, she was an 8.5 or so, I lucked out LOL, and he still sent her packing).

Anyway, we continued our "relationship" but she was weird. And I managed to notice a couple of new "friends". Long story short, I "hacked" into her accounts and discovered the truth. She'd been fucking EEEEEEEEEEVERYBODY I ever suspected. The guy she met at a liqour store, the guy who worked at the cellphone repair shop, the guy who lived near her grandman, the guy who worked at Zara, her neightbor, etc. It was soul crushing. All these guys were tall, musclebound motherfuckers. I'm 5'9 and I was like 130., so I was way over my head.

I calculated she had fucked 16 men in 6 months and that's only the ones I could verify. And nope, she didn't count those as real (wehich made me realize I had eaten the shit biscuit she gave me at the start when she said she'd only been with 2 men) . So no, /u/the_number_2 wasnt making it up. ♂

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 28 points29 points  (2 children)

[–]ioncloud9 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That is just so sad. The one dude who gave a girl $170 in her bank account.. just what the fuck. Im wondering if its two fake profiles faking it at each other. No man would say 3 inches hard for real.

[–]MyLittleAtomBomb 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Keep in mind that fatter chicks tend to spend more time on the free-validation-machine, aka the internet.

You have a legion of depressed lonely betas whose standards are so fucking low that anything with a vagina is treated like princess Diana. If you don't believe me, check out r/gonewildcurvy. They have all this free attention and complimenting that a man at that size would never receive.

The only way to reverse the problem is if decent-looking men stopped fucking them, but that won't be happening anytime soon.

[–]Elodrian 12 points13 points  (2 children)

How did "curvy" get so badly misappropriated? I suppose a 2nd order curve is technically curvy, but I think the term should be restricted to 4th order curves.

[–]1oldredder 5 points6 points  (0 children)

it's completely fucked. A girl with some roundness on her ass, tits at least a C cup and a thin waist, THIN, is curvy.

More than that and the bitch is a land whale and I'm wondering when Ahab's gonna pop up around the corner.

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left 41 points42 points  (16 children)

Some of the women in that thread said they were slightly chubby or fat which reduces their sex getting ability.


Seriously, if they value getting sex/meeting a good guy. lose the weight! get fit. it's not hard to change your eating habits.

It's actually harder for guys to improve in this field since overhauling your confidence and personality requires constant effort, vigilance, and exposure therapy. All a chick has to do is look fit!

[–]GrandmasterHurricane 10 points11 points  (13 children)

Not only that, but looking like you even lift isn't all that easy.

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left 6 points7 points  (12 children)

Honestly, I think that's all relative to your threshold for commitment and hard work.

If you really want to get fit and look like you lift, you will do it. You will literally not allow yourself to go one more day without lifting. Once that happens, it all becomes more or less easy. Then it's just a matter of time.

Real self improvement is actually easy, for like 5% of people. because they are the ones that really want it and are willing to give everything to achieve it.

[–]throwaway-aa2 23 points24 points  (3 children)

If you really want to get fit and look like you lift, you will do it.

No dude you're missing the point. It's not that you can't or won't do it. It's that actually lifting to look bigger takes a LOT of fucking dedication! So for me it's 8 months of lifting, paying for training, constant mobility work, constant time investment & energy investment, constantly eating & buying food.. and I also have to wear well fitting clothes and THEN I look like I lift and even then I'm not The Rock.. a lot of girls see that some guys are bigger but he has to have a very a disproportionate body in order for her to recognize it.

Now think what a woman has do... oh yeah that's right... not fucking gain weight, or just lose the weight you already have. Do you understand how entirely fucking easy that would be for me to do? Oh you mean just be lazy and not cook shit and just not put shit in my mouth?! Dude I bulk and shovel food into my face until I feel like crying and feel like I'm going to vomit...... do you really think losing weight even remotely registers as a challenge to me?

Self improvement is relative. But at the end of the day, looking like you lift takes a LOT of dedication and a LOT of time. Much more than the usual challenges females seem to face (which normally just seems to be watching your diet). I'd switch in a heartbeat.

Keep in mind I've lifted for 8 months insanely hard (literally 45lbs squat to 300lbs x 5 x 3 squat, even with on and off injuries).... and my physique still isn't THAT readily apparent.

[–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For some it's harder than others but maybe it's the way you do it.

Every time you finish a set you can probably do another set in 30-60 seconds working other muscles. Then what you just did is resting (say, triceps & chest) while you're working your lats, delts, etc., then go back.

Generally I try to split it so leg day doesn't overlap with chest & triceps. Otherwise when it's go-time I'm struggling to walk to the change room & pull my clothes off. I give one a rest when the other's over-worked.

Less down time means more gains in less months. Also strictly control that diet: focus on good quality protein & only enough carbs to keep the weight you want, cut the fat you want cut. Never fast. Never skimp on the protein. Fish is great but without living near where the fish are it is expensive.

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I see your point, and I admire your dedication.

I really dont have a response to you because I cant argue with what you say. Your right. it still take effort and commitment.

I will say this though. If you really wana maximize your results, consider steroids OR look into pro-hormones. Honestly steroids done correctly are very safe, prohormones are safe too if done sparingly. look into products like super DMZ, anafuse, and ostashred. I am using anafuse and ostashred and gained 5lbs of muscle so far. i'm about half way done with my cycle and that's more muscle than I was able to build in 3 months naturally. I am only recommending them to you because you sound like you are committed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your looking at a few years to go from thin to jacked. Unless you are in the gym 4 hours a day, five days a week, and spending $2k a month on everything. Maybe then just a year.

[–]GrandmasterHurricane 10 points11 points  (7 children)

No, I mean... To look like you even lift. I'm not talking about a well shaped small bicep. I'm talking about having legit GUNS down your sleeves.

For a woman to be considered hot, she just has to not be obese. She could be skinny fat it doesn't matter. But for a dude to be hot, he has to build slabs and slabs of solid muscle which takes a lot of time and effort... Unless he's on some sterons.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Do you have any idea how much money and effort it takes to get jacked even on gear? You dont just take a shot and get swole.

[–]Sdom1 1 point2 points  (2 children)

He probably means a different thing by jacked than you do. To be seen as jacked by most girls you have to put on 20 lbs of muscle and lean out a bit. That's more than doable in a year on gear especially. A lot of this depends on your genes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol its much easier for them to just rationalise it away with their hamster brain. After all, it's easier to justify their inability to attract high value men than to actually go and fucking do something about it.

[–]nantucketghost 43 points44 points  (3 children)


[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Depends what you mean by get. The top males will fuck way down the ladder. A 9 will fuck all the way to 4 - 5 at times. So lots of women have some access to top males. It may be brief ons sex, but thats better than men can get.

[–]nantucketghost 34 points35 points  (13 children)


[–]StuffaYouFace 27 points28 points  (3 children)

I also like how she calls 250lbs "chubby" and says that at least she is "not fat/obese". Bitch, that is heavier than me and I am 6'2 and spent my life in the gym.

[–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK 16 points17 points  (0 children)

She must be hella jacked then.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 6 points7 points  (1 child)

She weighs as much as a heavy weight boxer and ufc fighter.

[–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK 10 points11 points  (0 children)

guys don't want to have sex with a 250 lb feminist.

Make it into a bumper sticker, a flag and a fucking bat-signal.

[–]the_number_2 18 points19 points  (0 children)

What she's forgetting is this.
She wants to bang %20 (the TOP)
10% want to bang her (the BOTTOM)

So number 100 guys, descending by SMV. She wants to bang guys 100-81, but guys 1-10 will bang her. There is NO OVERLAP. So, miss land-whale, sweetheart, NOBODY wants to bang you, ESPECIALLY not the guys you want to bang.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

100 guys, she wants to bang 20% of them.

100 guys, 10% want to bang her.

And she assumes there is no correlation between these two sets, so multiplies the numbers together. Dumb bitch needs to learn a bit more about probability.

The reality is that the top 20% of guys and the bottom 10% that will bang her fat ass are not the same guys. Otherwise she'd just wink at the top 20% and 2 of those would take her home, and try between them to fill her gaping hole.

[–]1oldredder 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She just doesn't want to face the 250lb gorilla in the room.

[–]ShitlerParty 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Basically, women want to pick and choose but can't stand the thought of men doing the same.

[–]f3yleaf 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Mad hamstering/femsplaining invasion in the Askmen version of the thread lol. But most of the regulars and guys know how reality works atleast.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 7 points8 points  (5 children)

The #1 piece of evidence that women have completely fucked up logic is how every single one of them KNOWS that being in good shape is 90% of what is important for them to attract (and keep) a decent man, YET most of them are still fat and spend all their energy whining about it.

The pathway to their happiness couldn't be simpler or more straightforward. Yes, personality, success, and a cute face are important, but changing their physical shape is the most effective and most alterable of the elements. Also, those latter 3 elements do not make a woman happy unless she already has a man.

[–]caucasianinasia 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I've recently lost weight and got in shape. One of my office co-workers asked me what "magic pill" I'm taking. She's got a beautiful face but has some chub that she needs to work off. I spent the next 20 minutes explaining to her how to do it (and also pointing out that there's no magic pill. If there was, then there would be no fat people). So she has all kinds of excuses why she can't do it. So later at the company meeting, we had snacks. And I see her with a plate piled high with food! I gave her so much shit and she just made more excuses. Crazy.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Do you ever see fat people eating plain fruits and vegetables and drinking plain water? Nope never. The fatter they are the worse it is. I watch what everyone eats at work.

[–]1oldredder 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup. I gave an opening for a girl who's decently hot but could be in better shape - she's complained a couple of times, noticing how fit I look, that she doesn't feel so hot looking at herself in the mirror. The opening: come to the gym. She knows it works, she's seen it and I've told her how smokin' hot the girls are at the gym who work out every day. Her response: "nah, I'm lazy".

Okay then.

I'll just keep my eyes on the hot, fit girls in the gym then. Horse, water, lead, not drinking.

[–]HOLIDAY_headcase 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Oh god I had to comment with this hilarious one:

[–]♂another30yovirgin [score hidden] 39 minutes ago What if it's so difficult that a man never gets laid?

[–]♀MissRepresentation [score hidden] 31 minutes ago Then he should work on becoming more attractive and/or lowering his standards. Women also tend to put much much more effort into their physical appearance than men do, so there's that.

I mean....they don't see the irony at all. Amazing.

[–]1oldredder 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Being emotionally unavailable and flirting, with welcome arms from the women, with other women in front of a woman in particular, will get that one much hotter than before for ya.

Women, really, are irrational and stupid. If they wanted a quality man they have to earn it and are lazy so they don't want to do it.

[–]RockRoad15 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This has been like this for a long time. I remember being a young dude in the 90s and what is told in here is exactly the same behavior as it was then. All women are attracted to a few men and the rest don't even count as men.

[–]whisky1111 26 points27 points  (12 children)

"Now, go lift and get in that top 1% of males so these women will start sucking your dick."

I sure hope that is sarcasm!

A man should never improve himself for the purpose of gaining a woman's approval or acceptance.

[–]103342 44 points45 points  (1 child)

Pussy is a great motivator.

I started a lot of my hobbies having pussy as a motivator. If you keep going just because of pussy tho, you will eventually give up.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it's not. Pussy is a 0.1% motivator to me. Income, health, fitness, endurance, that's my motivator. Strong & stable life.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 19 points20 points  (0 children)

A man should never improve himself for the purpose of gaining a woman's approval or acceptance.

Absolutely.... female approval and acceptance is worthless. I sure do like having my dick sucked though.

[–]JackGoldsteinWrites 8 points9 points  (3 children)

A Lot of guys get going to get laid. Don't discount the power of that. And maybe they find out that it's ho-hum and ordinary, but they DO improve. As I've said to many friends... if that motivation is there, use it. Girls may come and go, but those gains are permanent.

[–]RedKnight1990 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I understand what you mean, however if you look at it this way, adding value to yourself opens all kinds of opportunities. Money, Career, Women, etc; these all flow to the victors in life.

[–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, unsolicited blowjobs do serve as a pretty good indicator of success.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When you have so much sex that sex isn't really sex.

[–]AmericanHistoryAFBB 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm not seeing this post linked to TBP yet. No way they can hamster this one away.

[–]thefisherman1961 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's harder to get them to fuck you, first of all. Because, obviously, they're a much smaller group than "every dude I don't want to fuck," and they often have - because they're hot - higher standards. If I wanna bang 20% of the dudes I see, and 10% of all dudes want to bang me, 2% of the people I'd bang would be open to it, and 8% of people I don't want to sleep with would be. Factoring in the idea that hot people have higher standards, now only 5% of the hot guys would hit it, and 20% of the rest. This means that out of a hundred dudes, 17 people want to fuck me, but only one of them is someone I want to fuck.

The hilarious part of this above quote is that it's by... an AskWomen mod. She literally spelled out RedPill theory (women only want the very top fraction of males, the rest can go to hell) even while proclaiming herself to be a proud feminist who don't need no man.

She even happened to use the 20% figure in her example!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for digging through all that garbage for these nuggets of gold.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's not surprising that even the landwhales at AskFeminists are able to espouse red pill theory. It's ingrained into them; they cannot choose it. I highly recommend The Red Queen by Matt Ridley if anyone wants to learn more about sex and evolution and the significant link between the two.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Oh, I could find someone who'd use me like a fleshlight, stick their penis in me, but ... I wouldn't get off, I wouldn't even come close, and I don't see how that counts as "woo, I got sex" in any but the "I could possibly have gotten pregnant or contracted a STD".

Lol at this woman thinking that getting an STD isn't the same as getting sex. Last I checked that stood for 'sexually transmitted disease' implying that sex must have taken place. Oh the hamster: it's potential for humor know no bounds.

[–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

GREAT SCOTT! It's the flux hamster-pacitor!! Marty, do you know what this means? 21 JIGGAWATTS of hyperdimensional nonsense able to bend space and time!

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, the 250 lb landwhale who just happens to ONLY be attracted to attractive men. That's why they're called attractive, bitch, because they attract you with their looks!

But of course, these hawt guys must of course overlook her fugliness and also her character flaws of laziness, lack of self-control, lack of understanding of the importance of being healthy, etc. because VAGINA!

[–]PlusGoody 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As always, women will give remarkably accurate information when asked in the right specific way. Not "what do women like?" or even "what do you like?" but "how did you hook up with your last guy?" That's when you will never hear "he was a nice guy who just was himself and also was a feminist" but get the truth about exactly what about him pinged her status meter.

[–]pavista 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While I can understand the frustration at their backwards ass logic, I do kind of get were they are coming from. What it boils down to is them saying they don't get any enjoyment from sex with average to unattractive men, so when men say that its easy for them to have enjoyable, casual sex, we're incorrect because they only get enjoyment from the top percent of men.

Which makes a lot of sense, since men can father practically endless children we have evolved to not be particularly picky, but since women have a very small duration of their lives that they can mother children and for most of history were reliant on men to provide for them, they better choose carefully.

While it does mirror what TRP says, its also in many ways not at all surprising.

[–]Bellum00 3 points3 points [recovered]

Women see betas the same as we see old, fat or ugly women: not at all.

I went out of my way on the train to pay attention to some old fat and ugly women, and I realized I've never noticed them before even though they commute to work with me every day.

The fat women with a pretty face are strange. Some could be really beautiful if they lost weight. Their lives would be improved by some exercise in the same way a man's would by years of hard work, yet they can't be arsed.

[–]BrunoOh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Their lives would be improved by some exercise

Their lives would be improved by putting down the fork.

[–]Rougepellet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

250 pounds? Holy shit she's fat.

[–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I gotta admit that in HS, I didn't consider hamplanet girls to be actual girls. That's not what I meant by girls. (and my upper limit was way way below 250)

For guys it's all about the girl's physical attractiveness.

For girls it's about smell, technique, dominance -- not so much looks, though looks are great too.

[–]dicklord_airplane 6 points7 points  (3 children)

this is a fundamental difference between men and women, and it's best to understand it and accept it than to think that women are stupid for being what they are. they don't have any choice in the following realities of being female:

It's easy for women to have sex, but it's not as easy for them to find good, enjoyable, safe sex. on average, it's much more difficult for women to attain an orgasm than for men, and women have an easier time orgasming with a trusted well-known partner than with a stranger. it generally takes a lot more skill to make a woman come than it does for a man, and a lot of guys do not have those skills due to a lack of experience or care. women also face a lot more potential dangers and consequences from sex than men because they can be drugged, raped, get pregnant, and it's also easier for women to contract STDs because men fire bodily fluids at them or into them (even with condoms, because stats show that they leak and break a lot more than you'd think).

men have a lot more to gain and fewer risks from random sex. we have a much easier time orgasming in the average sexual encounter than women; we generally aren't afraid that a woman will drug and/or rape us (though roofying guys for robbery is becoming more common); we face a lesser risk of contracting STDs because girls don't shoot bodily fluids at us or inside us (barring squirters, of course).

these are the facts of life that won't change. have some freakin compassion, step outside of yourself, and recognize that men have it better in some ways. women know that casual sex with most of the men they've met will not be enjoyable for them, and instinct and culture constantly reminds them of the risks. It's your job as a man to understand all of this and work hard to become the sort of guy that women feel will be able to provide good, safe sex.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The notion of safe sex is a copout. I can guarantee you that if a male is attractive enough for a woman, she will go above and beyond to have sex with him.

The only fear the majority of women have about sex is whether or not the return on investment is worth it. She'll give up sex easily to an attractive male, but she'll question herself deeply as to whether or not a future boyfriend/husband is worth having sex with.

Case in point, Tinder. Many women use Tinder for hooking up. It's well known that people go on Tinder with the full understanding that hooking up is involved. I've had girls try to bullshit me that they were on there looking for something serious, but they end up seeing several guys in a short span of time.

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 1 point2 points  (9 children)

I do have a question about getting into the top 20% of males. I'm 5'6 and I'm wondering if all I have to do is lift.

I know I'll look good, but what else? Is that it?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 3 points4 points  (3 children)


Sorry to be the one to break it to you pal, but you are never going to make it. You are always going to be at the bottom. Better not even start to lift!

But have a look at it from the bright side: You will always have your strawmen to blame. You are too small. You are too weak. Maybe you even percieve yourself to be too ugly.

Whatever it is, I am sure that you are going to find it, before you even start improving yourself.

Or do you?

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm short but I realize this is the message that needs to be hit home. No more babysitting people and watching out for their feelings: we're fucking short, we either do something about it, or go fucking cry in a corner and die. No one cares what happens to us, but we can make the most of what we have.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lift, diet, re-prioritize everything to focus on a good mix of near-term benefit and long-term benefit for health, finances and don't forget to change up your social network and/or job to better fit those priorities if that's what it takes.

Then yes, someone, maybe you can enter the top 20%. 5'6 is fine. I'm 5'3 and can do it if I want. I don't want it. I want to be the top 10% for survival/adaptiveness and I care zero whatsoever what women care about as it regards me.

Being a man going my own way it's the reddest of red pill paths and it means women are given zero chance to fuck it up and I have zero need for them to improve my life. Income, resources, future paths still open that benefit me. That's what counts. Skills. Fitness. Health is a resource.

[–]Terror_of_the_Void 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now, go lift and get in that top 1% of males so these women will start sucking your dick.

Well, aim for the 20% most attractive, not the 1% that is willing to have sex with her

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I have seen quite a few morbidly obese women who believe many men want to have sex with them. I'm not sure if it's a defense mechanism for their ego, i.e. a narcissistic response opposite to the original feeling or just a cultural female narcissism type of thing.

In reality, a few men of some worth will have sex with an obese woman when they're having a dry period and usually under the influence of alcohol, but won't commit.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (2 children)

TRP is doing a good job of telling boys they'll be alpha men by fucking a string of 4's to work their way up to 6 or 7 out of 10 hotness.

Sickens me.

Nothing under 8/10 is even doable to me. POSSIBLY with great skill I could enjoy a blowjob from a 6 or 7. That's it. It would be forced on my part to go for it.

[–]cmiovino 1 points1 points [recovered]

Serious thought.

Is it better to be an average dude with the abilty to change your SMV through lifting, building wealth, and creating an enjoyable life, thus becoming the 20% and getting the women and relationships you want.

Or to be a female, even an attractive one, and be placed in a world with a bunch of betas you have to constantly avoid and Chads who pump and dump you. But on the side, you get a lot of favors, shit for free, and ability to move up the career ladder more easily (due to looks)... but only in your late teens and twenties.

I'd take being the dude.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now, go lift and get in that top 1% of males so these women will start sucking your dick.

But those women on askwomen seem to be rather fat. This is beneath my minimum standards. Ya know how it is... me and Chad, we got options yo!

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