Red Pill Theory‘Get back in': Teen charged with pressuring boyfriend to commit suicide. Detective Scott Gordon suggested that Carter encouraged Roy to kill himself while simultaneously putting together “a plan to get sympathy from her friends.” (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by antihostile

tl;dr: Teen wants attention, convinces suicidal boyfriend to kill himself.

I was (kind of) surprised I hadn't heard about this. I'm pretty sure I would have heard of it if the genders had been reversed. Hell, we'd probably have a national holiday if the genders were reversed:

"Michelle Carter, 18, is accused not only of failing to seek help for Conrad Roy III — who, police say, Carter knew intended to commit suicide — but also of texting him during the act and pressuring him to go through with it, according to authorities."


"Noting that he was afraid and didn’t want to leave his family, Roy noted that he got out of the truck where he would later be found dead. After texting Carter about his fears, she replied: “Get back in.” Roy was found in his truck dead of carbon monoxide poisoning the following day, July 13."

With boyfriend dead, let the Carnival of Sympathy for Me the Real Victim commence:

"In the months after Roy’s death, Carter helped raise thousands of dollars for suicide prevention in her dead boyfriend’s name. It’s a dramatic turn of events for Carter, who in the months after Roy’s death mourned him publicly and used his death as a catalyst for activism on suicide prevention. In messages on Twitter, Carter wrote, “such a beautiful soul gone too soon.” And, “I will never understand why this had to happen.”

No, she won't. Technically, this is a mental disease called Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy, but redpillers will probably note some predictable behavior and lessons here:

a) Do not make the mistake of looking for sympathy from women. It could kill you.

b) She was concerned about herself first, last and always. A dead boyfriend was a small price to pay for all that attention and drama.

c) Their only priority is their feelings. They are emotion-based creatures. Ethics, logic, societal norms, etc. are simply barriers or assistants for their feels.

(BTW, if you personally are feeling suicidal or depressed here's the site for the National Suicide Prevention Line: http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/. You can also call 24/7: 1-800-273-8255. I know that's not much, just a link and a phone number. But it's more than this cunt did for her own boyfriend.)

edit: Story - http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/02/get-back-in-there-teen-charged-with-pressuring-boyfriend-to-commit-suicide/

[–]Di-onysos 137 points138 points  (20 children)

A mentally disturbed version of Briffault's law in effect. In her twisted mind his greatest benefit to her was dead, by suicide, which provided her sympathy and 15 minutes of fame.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 78 points79 points  (4 children)

In many cases, you could be worth more to someone dead than alive. Never forget that.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I remember something about murder/death rates of husbands increasing dramatically when they were worth more to the wife dead than alive. I can't remember if it was a study or if it was a remark from an official.

[–]SammyD1st 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Remember, if you've worked in your life... and are the father to an underage child... if you die, the government pays out your Social Security to the mother until the child turns 18.

I've seen firsthand how someone is worth more $ dead than alive.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Well, the wifey-poo is usually the prime beneficiary in event of the hubby's untimely demise.

[–]SammyD1st 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not for what I'm talking about, and it also doesn't matter if you're married or not for Social Security: if your child is under 18 and you die, the child's guardian (i.e. the mother) gets monthly payments.

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (6 children)


"A review found the average age of the person affected at diagnosis was 4 years; slightly over half of were aged 24 months or younger, and 75% were under six years old. The average duration from onset of symptoms to diagnosis was 22 months. Six percent were dead, mostly from apnea (a common result of smothering) or starvation and 7% suffered long-term or permanent injury. About half of them had siblings; 25% of the known siblings were dead, and 61% of siblings had symptoms similar to the victim or that were otherwise suspicious. The mother was the perpetrator in 76.5% of the cases, the father in 6.7%"

Teach women not to murder their own toddler children. xD

[–]_eskimo_brothers_ 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Fuck. Look at those percentages.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (1 child)

93.3% when you combine mothers and nannies.

[–]HickSmith 10 points11 points  (1 child)

MSbP = premeditated, but a mental illness Child Abuse = heat of the moment, unplanned. But a crime.

Which is prosecuted worse? How does that compare premeditated vs non-premeditaed murder?

[–]phungus420 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I assume it would be dependent on the specific case, and what specific crime the prosecutor thinks they can get a jury to convict. In this case the DA thinks they can get an involuntary manslaughter conviction. For most mothers who kill their children, I wager they get a full murder 1 conviction: A jury will have no sympathy for a woman who murders her child (a breach of the mother-child relationship is one of the few areas where a pussy pass won't exist).

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Post that with a science flair. Gotta kill the women are wonderful delusion one post at a time.

[–]claptilley 17 points18 points  (6 children)

At 17, my girlfriend told " I should kill myself". She even offered to give me the pills to do it.

Now, I don't believe her motive was attention, but more feminist hatred of men.

She was fucked in the head and god knows I needed a big dose of the red pill to tell her to fuck off. It was a pretty dark time in my life and I remember how stripped of my manhood I felt with her. How embarrassingly beta I used to be hurts to even relive. Yet I felt it could add to the post seeing as though this is not a one time thing and maybe more common than I realized.

[–]DysfunctionalBrother 2 points3 points  (2 children)

When you told her to fuck off what was her reaction?

[–]claptilley 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Eh, we split after high school, kinda mutual. Putting any effort into finding her11 years later to just be like, "fuck you" would give her satisfaction...the best fuck you I could ever give is to forget she exists. AWALT...by that...forgettable

[–]DysfunctionalBrother 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, from your comment i thought you said it to her face. My bad.

[–]morsX 5 points6 points  (2 children)

There exists the possibility she was disgusted by you for being such a wimp then. She may have been suggesting the world (and yourself) were better off without you.

[–]claptilley 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I agree this being a possibility, I feel that her motives were more like a kid torturing an animal. Just what fucked up shit could she do and get by with.

[–]morsX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Certainly her behavior speaks to her ability to discard empathy and to disregard social values (assuming she holds any values true).

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

ASALT all sociopaths are like that

[–]Da-Aaron 91 points91 points [recovered]

One of the many reasons I'm gay. I don't know how you guys put up with them.

[–][deleted] 300 points301 points  (36 children)

Just exchanging one pain in the ass for another?

[–]Da-Aaron 62 points62 points [recovered]

Even though I'm not into that, it's a lot more tolerable than putting up with a woman. Oh, and you can tell them that it won't kill them; They can handle it just fine. And that sucking a dick isn't that bad. I can't believe there are so many women out there who won't do that, like it's beneath them or something. The first straight friend who told me that, I laughed in his face cause I didn't believe him. That's unheard of in our world.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I can't believe there are so many women out there who won't do that, like it's beneath them or something

They won't do it for their beta boyfriends. Classic hypergamy is to say "I don't do that" and mean "I don't do that for you".

They'll do it for the hot guys no questions asked. You can see their knees go weak as they are itching to get down and suck the dirty cucumber till it empties its seeds down their willing throats.

[–]Plain_Tostitos 18 points19 points  (17 children)

Not really, I don't do it either (M), you should look up Greek/roman views on homosexuals. It was cool to have sex but it was "gay" as fuck to suck a dick. They were against it because of how submissive it made you

[–]Da-Aaron 23 points23 points [recovered]

Yeah. A Roman soldier could top anyone he wanted, but if he let himself be violated, it was punishable by death. Crazy how there's such a difference.

[–]Plain_Tostitos 20 points21 points  (5 children)

And Greeks were red pill as fuck, they had plays about girls hitting the wall and many philosophers believed true love could only be held between two men because women were not capable of the abstract quality of it, so they were only good for reproducing

[–]ozn 4 points5 points  (4 children)

can you give some examples? i am curious.

[–]catniptrip68 8 points9 points  (0 children)

butch cassidy and the sundance kid

[–]Plain_Tostitos 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I can when I get home. Source: I am philosophy minor

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was about to be kind of an asshole but then realized you said "minor"

[–]Moridakkubokka 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Humanity is all about dominance, submission, alpha, beta etc. hell, damn near all animals are like this.

In my personal opinion being gay and straight are made up concepts, a thirsty man will fuck whatever it wants. A submissive man will fuck his hand and the dominant will fuck whatever.

[–]Da-Aaron 18 points18 points [recovered]

Exactly. Even spaghetti is straight until you get it hot and wet.

[–]Across_t_Rubicon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Universe law #34846 violated, quoting 9gag, punishable by castration

[–]through_a_ways 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In my personal opinion being gay and straight are made up concepts, a thirsty man will fuck whatever it wants.

Actually, some studies find that homosexuals often have a more masculine 2D:4D ratio.



"We report that (a) 2D:4D was lower in a sample of 88 homosexual men than in 88 sex- and age-matched controls recruited without regard to sexual orientation, (b) within the homosexual sample, there was a significant positive relationship between mean 2D:4D ratio and exclusive homosexuality, (c) overall, there was a decrease in 2D:4D from controls to homosexual men to bisexual men"

In short, homosexuals have more masculine finger ratios than heterosexuals. However, a more feminine finger ratio is well correlated to exclusive homosexuality.

Which supports something I've always suspected, but which would be considered extremely controversial to talk about: that the majority of homosexuals aren't homosexual by choice, but out of convenience.

Having a more masculine digit ratio might mean a higher sex drive (a masculine feature), meaning lower standards for what you're willing to fuck. One of those standards would be that the partner would have to be female.

The fact that masculine digit ratios were more prevalent among homosexuals, and greater still among bisexuals, supports the idea that many homosexuals sleep with men only because they want sex, and not because they're more attracted to men.

Meanwhile, the homosexuals with high 2D:4D ratios (feminine ratio) were more likely to engage in exclusive homosexuality (true homosexuality).

[–]slothsenpai 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I've sucked dick before and it's fucking vile! It actually makes me feel grateful that there are women out there who are willing to do it (and even take it up the bum). That said, the one pleasant thing about my gay experience was that it was actually quite nice to spend time with a fellow male and not having to deal with a woman's shit. Despite the abuse and systematic discrimination, sometimes I feel gay people have it lucky. Nothing is worse than being a slave to the vagina.

[–]maxmbacon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a top tier response. Jesus Christ

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (4 children)

seriously. if I could flip a switch and make myself as attracted to pretty men as I am to pretty women, I probably would.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

in a heart beat. Come home from work (dual income no kids!) playing video games jerking eachother off and lifting weights. Thats the good life.

If only I wasnt so into tits and ass.

[–]BlackHeart89 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Lmao! Right. After a few gay guys out of nowhere offered to blow me, I was left saying to myself, "Wtf... If only I liked guys, that would be great".

[–]pilledwillingly 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup. If every man could do it the species would die out.

[–]account_rp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Considering the area where I live, if it was actually possible to choose to be gay then I would. Then if I moved to an area that's hostile to gay people I would choose to go back to being straight.

edit. typo

[–]antihostile[S] 33 points34 points  (52 children)

lol...that's what all my gay friends say.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 49 points50 points  (9 children)

What's funny is feminists are subtly attacking the (male) gay culture for...not giving women attention.

[–]Da-Aaron 48 points48 points [recovered]

We try hard to ignore them at times. When they invade a gay bar, get white-girl drunk, and start asking their new "gay best friends" to go shopping with them. If I never hear that again it will be too soon.

[–]antihostile[S] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

lol...new gay bar opened up in town, friend checks it out regularly, and it's always the bartender and four girls. He really hates that.

[–]Da-Aaron 31 points31 points [recovered]

Yeah. We have our own bars so we don't have to hear noise in that frequency range. They find us anyway.

[–]LeFlamel 12 points13 points  (1 child)

As someone who's frequented a lot of gay bars, I'm curious what you think of straight guys invading to take advantage of "girl's night." Cuz that must be obvious as fuck when you see it.

[–]screamingATtrees 9 points10 points  (1 child)

"shopping for another boyfriend, sweetie?"

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

and start asking their new "gay best friends" to go shopping with them.

I have a gay best friend, and all the girls I fuck that meet him try to turn him into their new gay best friend. Apparently you can just shop for a gay best friend. He's incredibly annoyed by them.

Of course, dude hangs out with the best looking girls. Easy pickings.

[–]Da-Aaron 11 points11 points [recovered]

Any of them contribute to the alt? That sub is deserted.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 31 points32 points  (38 children)

Yeah, I can imagine. Men are simple and easy to get into bed. There's no mystery to male nature. You aren't indoctrinated to be ignorant of it. I've seen dating ads for gay guys. It's filled with blatant sexual gestures, dicks, and asses. "No bullshit, let's fuck" is the attitude. Do you really need a strategy for that?

[–]Da-Aaron 31 points31 points [recovered]

Nope. Not at all. Sometimes words aren't even necessary. Nods from across the bar are all it takes at times.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 38 points39 points  (10 children)

Fascinating. I bet heterosexual mating rituals look like dancing monkeys, court jesters, and peacocks to you guys.

[–]KingoftheAssholes 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Not even gay and it looks like that to me.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 17 points18 points  (4 children)

One of my favorite lines from an old gay friend:

"You breeders and your mating rituals. Guys have to make a peacock tail out of $100's to get a woman's attention. To get mine you just have to have an ass."

[–]Da-Aaron 3 points3 points [recovered]

Haha. That is a good one. I do use the term breeder though. Friends hate it. That makes it even better.

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I really don't like that term. Is it common knowledge amongst the homos?

[–]RICCIedm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

stop being such a faggot


[–]Da-Aaron 30 points30 points [recovered]

Ha! Def entertaining. A lot of effort and wasted time.

[–]ECoast_Man 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I imagine you must think our talks about heterosexual Tinder experiences to be hilarious. I thought gays pioneered this app with Grinder (if it wasn't grinder, maybe something else).

I remember when it first came out (I hadn't even heard of Tinder). Gays guy used to meet at bars on a Saturday night, not to meet up for a fucking date in a few days. Gays had it done right - an app you go to when you're horny that same night with someone else who was horny and nearby.

Tinder is the most basic heterosexual dating app, and even that requires high SMV photos, text game, and then a fucking date.

[–]Da-Aaron 4 points4 points [recovered]

Yeah, when it finally came out and my straight buddies were all about it, I made a few comments about the breeders taking years to catch up with the creative, problem solving gays. And I always refer to it as "Hetero Grindr" when talking to them. They hate it.

[–]cariboo_j 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For a while I thought it was called "grime-dar".

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 10 points11 points  (11 children)

Nods from across the bar are all it takes at times.

Similar for lesbians I hear. Start kissing at the bar, see how they feel.

And similar for girls with super hot guys. (I know one, girls will literally demand to be taken home by him).

I think the whole complexity of male/female interactions is based around male secondary status (proof of status beyond looks) and beta exploitation. By pretending it's complicated, she can get more resources.

[–]grewapair 21 points22 points  (10 children)

I once sat at a bar next to what turned out to be a very attractive guy sitting by himself. We were sitting at the far end, the right side of a U shaped bar and there was a wall about 3 inches directly behind the bar stools. He was at the very upper right tip of the U and I was next to him, so if he wanted to get out, I had to get up, and move away to let him out because there wasn't enough space between the bar stools and the wall.

The women literally climbed over me to talk to him. These were women so good looking I could never even get one to look at me, yet they literally climbed over me to stand next to him.

One of them asked him, coyly "Where's your girlfriend?". He told her she was out of town, and she didn't miss a beat, kept talking to him. Imagine if a girl started talking about "her boyfriend" to you, but these women didn't care.

I was swarmed by uglier wing women of these women, to distract me from what they thought was my friend. I never met him before.

That was the last time I ever went to a bar. Watching women crawl over me to get at this guy while I usually had to beg for scraps ruined the entire experience for me.

[–]magus678 15 points16 points  (9 children)

I had a somewhat similar experience once.

I was meeting a tinder date and the bartender was basically so fucking attractive that he couldn't help but cockblock me. I mean, I do pretty well; something like 3/4 of my tinder "dates" end in sex the first time.

But this guy was just on another level. Several girls were pretty much throwing themselves at him with an abandon I haven't seen since. He actually seemed like a pretty nice guy, I really got the sense he wasn't trying to screw up my game, he just couldn't help it.

One of the other bartenders even came over and was talking to me about how it is impossible for anyone to pick up girls when the guy is working.

It really is wild to actually see the effect these 1% guys have on women. If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes I would doubt it was possible.

[–]grewapair 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Yes, I had always thought every woman had her guard up against all men at a bar. Getting a woman to even give me a number that didn't turn out to be fake was like pulling teeth. I just figured that's what bars were like.

It turns out women are very easy, but only if you are very handsome. The guy I was talking about never made eye contact, never initiated, never did anything. He just sat there, blocked by me. Beautiful women came to him, even if it meant crawling over me.

That was when I realized I was completely wasting my time.

[–]magus678 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That was when I realized I was completely wasting my time

I wouldn't go this far. Outside of being a billionaire you probably won't ever match that dude, but neither will practically anyone else; there's no shame in that.

[–]destraht 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm well above average looks and when I was living in Odessa I would go to a local relaxed cafe to write code. There were a lot of people on dates there and it became very obvious that men did not want their date anywhere near me. Most importantly I look German and not at all Slavic and so that gives away that I'm foreign. Plenty of people would sit next to me but just absolutely not that dudes looking to impress their girls.

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I wonder if you have to be a certain height. I do well for myself, but this height thing is always like a pebble in my shoe.

Some women don't care, and that works wonders, but they're usually older women.

[–]magus678 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, in my example the guy was pretty fucking tall, I would guess 6'3 or 6'4. Plus he has a twin, ha!

I would have to guess that height is indeed critical. To exist in that rarefied air you probably can't have anything about you that could seen as a "defect" by the vast majority of women.

[–]BlackHeart89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Height definitely matters. I've had multiple women flat out tell me or heavily imply that I could get with them if I was taller.

The most recent was when a chick on a dating app hit me up first. HB8. Then I pointed out that she was taller than me. Her response, "Fuck! You're 5'6..." Then that was the end of the conversation.

On the flip side, I have had women who were as tall as 5'10 not care.

side note: Dating apps are garbage. These chicks are either fat, have multiple kids, or just there for validation. Every now and then you might be able to land a nice looking one.

[–]VodkaTankerSpill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is because older women have less options, usually.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use to have a steady gig at a relativity upscale vegan restaurant. One time a friend brought his date to my show. Later he told me that he would never do that again because she barely acknowledged him and stared fixated at me the entire time.

Not long after that he got a girlfriend who tried to hook up with me before they were together but I rejected her.

I don't know exactly what happened but he told me we couldn't be friends anymore. This real hurt because I deeply respected him. He's about 10 years older than me and a comedian with cutting wit. One of the coolest guys to talk to but he is also short and skinny with beta frustration...

I've lost many guy friends by women choosing me over them. It's a lonely life for the exceptionally gifted and attractive man.

One guy I was in a band with who is also very attractive and talented actually back stabbed me over a woman after 6 years of "friendship". Fucking broke my heart because I loved him as a bro. I guess he just couldn't take it anymore. Before I knew him his girlfriend broke with him to be with me. We were in the same league and always rubbing elbows around girls. I usually get who I want and his jealousy ended our friendship... Fucking sucks but it was a good lesson.

[–]should_ 5 points6 points  (12 children)

No strategy required really, but if you want an LTR, it's as easy as getting Chad in an LTR, even if Chad is an Arnold, because even Arnold can get some in gay world.

[–]Da-Aaron 11 points11 points [recovered]

I'd actually like to start working on some material for Alttrp on LTRs, and how to make it work with an Alpha/Alpha pairing. Even though we don't have to worry about game, the roles and dynamics in LTRs are more complex; You've got Alphas seeking Alphas, neither being dominant...It's very different from what you're used to.

[–]should_ 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I've written on the matter. I feel like all gay men seek alphas, and alphas naturally win at getting other alphas, but there is still a dominance game and one who usually takes the cake of the two due to slightly better looks, less neediness, etc. And there might not be game if you're looking for a ONS at a club but outside of that it's more complicated, for example if you want to plate a particularly hot guy you've banged without seeming desperate and without suggesting you want an LTR.

[–]Da-Aaron 2 points2 points [recovered]

Sweet! I'd like to see if I can get some life back into the Alttrp, do you mind if I get in touch with you later for your thoughts on some things?

[–]should_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course, I love PMing about gay-terper stuff. My only rule is tits or gtfo, naturally

[–]Plain_Tostitos 3 points4 points  (7 children)

This. I feel uncomfortable around stereotypical gay guys, but I also need to be the alpha role. Hard to find bros that will be just slightly submissive to me

[–]Da-Aaron 2 points2 points [recovered]

I actually am uncomfortable around the stereotypical ones too. 99% of my friends are straight guys. If the gays saw my garage, or out at the Angels, Ducks or Kings games, they'd probably pull my card. (And we'll keep that part about eating chicks out from them too.)

[–]Lt_Muffintoes 1 point2 points  (5 children)

that part about eating chicks out


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[–]BlackHeart89 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have had gay guys approach me on apps. Their opening lines are something along, "I'd love to suck your dick".

If a woman messages me that from the jump, I assume she is a tranny and don't respond. I then check out the profile. I haven't been wrong yet.

I always think, "FML..."

But honestly, if a woman messaged me like that, I would be suspicious as hell and still wouldn't reply. Lol Lose/lose

[–]antihostile[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

No, don't think so. What's the subreddit?

[–]blue_27 11 points12 points  (29 children)

Because of the sex. Tits and ass are the reason I am not gay. I don't know how you put up with blowjobs with whiskers.

[–]Solitary_Wolf 15 points16 points  (20 children)

gay men probably know not to use teeth though...

[–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (7 children)

How many women have you ran into that use their teeth???

[–]Solitary_Wolf 2 points3 points  (6 children)

off the top of my head? at least 5

[–]BlackHeart89 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Wtf do these women be thinking? Never at any point did I think to myself while going down on a chick, "let me bite her clit".

[–]Da-Aaron 1 points1 points [recovered]

See. Bitches don't know what they're doing. It just further proves they're incompetent.

[–]Solitary_Wolf 4 points5 points  (2 children)

youre only supporting my statement...

[–]Da-Aaron 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yes, I was supporting your position to BlackHeart.

[–]blue_27 5 points6 points  (11 children)

Yeah, but it's still a dude, and you're probably going to have to reciprocate someday, and ... nope. I'm good. For me, sticking a dick in your mouth means you've been sentenced to 5 - 10, and everything is wrong in the world. But that's just me. YMMV.

[–]Solitary_Wolf 11 points12 points  (10 children)

im sure some gay men feel the same about eating pussy.

[–]Da-Aaron 10 points10 points [recovered]

When I was in high school and college I slept with a few girls. Honestly, the tits were fun. And I def wouldn't mind if the opportunity to eat a girl out again presented itself. I actually miss that. I don't put up with whiskers. My bf is clean shaven.

[–]blue_27 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Right on. I'd argue that sex is the ultimate gratification. Might as well have it exactly as you want it. I like what I like, you like what you like, and (obviously) we both agree that tits are awesome!

[–]Da-Aaron 14 points14 points [recovered]

I think everyone loves dem titties. The most flaming, flamboyant, floating off the ground gay guys I know love titties.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My bud from high school 30+ years ago said he doesn't give a shit about tits. He finally came out to me five years back, as if never having a girlfriend, dressing either fabulous or in too short shorts and hanging out with men 20 years older than us wasn't obvious enough.

[–]blue_27 4 points5 points  (3 children)

The most flaming, flamboyant, floating off the ground gay guys I know love titties.

Do you mean this guy?


[–]Uptonogood 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I don't know what is happening in this picture but it sounds like hell lots a fun.

[–]ThundercuntIII 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Looks to be the gay pride in Amsterdam

[–]DaphneDK 2 points3 points  (5 children)

For some reason a lot of gay men seem to have this one very close female friend. I think the concept even has a name.

[–]Da-Aaron 3 points3 points [recovered]

Yeah. It is fag hag or fruit fly. My personal experience, knowing a few friends who had one, is they are just "besties" and will do everything together. Even when one of my buddie's hag had a boyfriend. My buddy and the girl, they dragged this poor schmuck everywhere they went. He never got to date his girlfriend. He tagged along when his girlfriend went out with her gay. Yes, she referred to my friend as her "gay." Anyway, the boyfriend, it took him like 2 years of this shit before he dumped her.

[–]Merwebb 4 points5 points  (0 children)

More like they want to pass time with men and not fuck any of those men, like an orbiter that doesnt have a covert contract or sexual desire for them. Just talk about dicks, dicky sucky, partner count, those things, jusy being as "bad" as they can be while being accepted for it.

Not saying gay folks are nice guys necessarily.

Source: ex had tons of gleeful friends.

[–]TheRealMouseRat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

unfortunately one cannot choose to be gay.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

the rates of other mental illnesses and suicide are actually higher in the homosexual population though...

[–]Da-Aaron 2 points2 points [recovered]

And what can you attribute that to?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thread's 2 days old, i don't think you'll get much sympathy trying to bait out a response so you can play the victim card

[–]through_a_ways 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Technically, this is a mental disease called Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy

Of which 93% of cases are women

[–]prodigy2throw 29 points30 points  (21 children)

Shitty thing to happen but in all honesty, if you can get convinced by an 18 year old girl to take your own life, chances are you weren't gonna make it that far in life anyways.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (17 children)

That was not the point here. Convincing a retard to kill himself would tell more about you than the retard.

[–]prodigy2throw 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Yes, the girl was a shitty human being and should be locked up.

Just saying, the guy was pretty dumb and probably didn't have that long to live if all it took to kill himself was a text saying "do it".

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

should be locked up.

not really. I mean, now if you tell someone to kill themselves, you're responsible?

Every day there's a new reason why western people are less and less responsible for their actions, and every time I'm (slightly less) surprised.

You're not fat, it's GMO's. You're not stupid, it's the government not paying enough for school. You're not suicidal, it's other people's faults.

So now we have an attention seeking crybaby bitch pretending to commit suicide in his car, bitches out obviously, and then texts his girlfwend. "oh baby, i almost kiwwed mysewf X( do u miss me?" And of course it's not the parents fault (it never is, from school shooters, to small kids killing other kids, etc), but now it's the girl who said "get back in".

[–]destraht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If anything I'm fine with her being dragged through the mud to utterly destroy the idea that she is a victim.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. All I'm saying that discussing the morality of the guys actions is beside the point.

[–]vursah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What if it was Shia Lebeouf? I'm not sorry.

[–]CognitiveVortex 2 points2 points [recovered]


If someone chooses to take their own life the responsibility is TOTALLY on them, no one else holds any agency. It is the ultimate choice and the ultimate breaking of frame.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

So the girl did nothing wrong here. Nothing amoral in pressuring a mentally ill person to commit suicide? Are you a Sith or something?

[–]CognitiveVortex 0 points0 points [recovered]

You know you can see my other post literally directly under yours where I clearly say the woman is fucked in the head.

But again, this has nothing to do her BEING female. It is just a maladjusted person.

If a person has made that decision to end their life then outside forces are largely irrelevant.

The girl did something "wrong" morally, that's for sure, and wrong probably isn't even strong enough of a word, but she still holds no responsibility over this mans decision to end his own life.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I'm on mobile so I didn't see your other comment. One cannot be morally in the wrong while staying totally clear of responsibility. It has to be neither or both.

[–]CognitiveVortex 0 points0 points [recovered]

Of course they can. Its easy. Here. Morally she was in the wrong because she attempted to coerce her boyfriend into suicide. However, she has no responsibility because the decision to end his life ultimately landed entirely on his shoulders. She doesnt have mind control. She lashed out with some emotional responses and then tried to manipulate the situation so she looked like a good person. But, did she have responsibility over this mans suicide? In my opinion, no she didn't.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The reason she did something amoral is because we know words affect the thoughts and actions of people around us. Hitler also told people to kill other people while the decision to kill them was ultimately in the hands of the soldiers. Therefore Hitler had no responsibility for their actions? This is precisely the same thing; having influence on someone makes you partly responsible for their actions.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

remember that even though this is TRP, you're still talking to (mostly) westerners. Westerners love to have the blame for any action or event shifted on to something else, usually something irrelevant, so they can direct their "hatred" and tweets to. Except the thing of blame can never be a parent of the person.

Kid commits suicide because gf said "get back in"? Her fault, definitely not the parents for raising a beta retard and not noticing he's a beta retard.

Kid shoots up black church? Not the parent's fault, but the confederate flag, which took over his mind and allowed the ghosts of confederate soldiers to enter.

Kid shoots up a school? Not the moms fault for taking a vacation by herself while leaving the retard with guns after she knew he was crazy. It was the guns fault.

This is the enlightened era of the west. Nothing is your fault. Nothing is my fault. If you're fat, it's GMO's. If you're poor, it's the rich's fault. If you're beta, it's girl's fault (like some people on here believe).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I wish it was just the West. This mentality is slowly creeping east also. I remember a magical era when everyone would have given 0 fucks about 99% of the tragedies that are being shared on the social media. I don't think people care these days either but they like to be seen doing so that they can make themselves seems somehow morally superior to people who are not upset about everything all the time. I don't know where we went wrong. At least in the good old soviet days people weren't such pretentious assholes. Just the normal, thankfull-to-be-alive kind of assholes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This mentality is slowly creeping east also.

for sure

even in the west like 20 years ago it seems, people had way more personal accountability and cared less about managing other people's lives and stupid shit that the news is full of now

[–]codyjoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well then that woman in dardeen prairie missouri should not have been charged in the suicide of a young girl

[–]nofaprecommender 12 points13 points  (1 child)

That's too harsh. The kid was 17 or 18 himself. If he was even a 25 year old man, sure. But men are especially emotionally vulnerable at that age. She got him at the right time in the right way.

[–]BlackHeart89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Young and dumb"

That excuse doesn't work for women. So its only fair that it doesn't work for men either. That shit sucks, but at the end of the day, he didn't have to listen to her if he didn't want to.

[–]BlackHeart89 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Jesus christ. Maybe I'm a fucked up individual, but damn. Thats some mastermind super villain type shit right. Her only mistake was sending that text.

Foul behavior regardless. But damn... That was one hell of a strategy. I don't think I can chalk this up as awalt or anything of the like. More like, "people do fucked up shit".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's like saying "the gunman's only mistake was robbing a convenience store with hd security cameras and eye-witnesses."

I'm more floored with the girl's blatant disregard for her own self-preservation than I am with the act itself. She can "mastermind" this whole situation but she can't predict that someone is going to go through his phone and discover her text...

[–]Newdist2 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Please don't AWALT for this bitch. This is a ridiculously extreme case.

[–]antihostile[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would say this is borderline...I think people are claiming that this is not AWALT because someone died, but I think the idea is that girls with do ANYTHING for attention.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (12 children)

This is some Gone Girl level shit right here.

And then you realize... AWALT. They're all capable of this and do act like this at times. Maybe the outcome is less severe and she doesn't encourage you to kill yourself, but a woman will, without question, eventually take advantage of you to further her own goals.

Just how they work. Guard yourselves.

[–]CognitiveVortex 28 points28 points [recovered]

This is not fucking "AWALT", seriously?

You guys are seriously short-sighted. AWALT refers to womens biological urges to satisfy their imperatives (AF/BB).

So please tell me, what on EARTH does that have to do with some fucked up bitch trying to persuade her mentally ill boyfriend to commit suicide? Absolutely nothing.

Believe it or not the majority of women out there are not socio/psychopaths like the woman described here, and you are immediately coming from an unhealthy mindset if you start thinking that women do think like this.

[–]nofaprecommender 21 points22 points  (4 children)

While I agree with your premise that sometimes commenters here go overboard in labeling the nasty behavior of some women as "AWALT," the AWALT from this is not that all women are going to encourage men to commit suicide for their entertainment, but most women (including your partner) will, by default, generally only be concerned about their feelings with little concern for yours.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The AWALT in this case is all women hate betas and weak men, regardless of whether or not the circumstances are his fault or if his reaction is justified.

[–]fuckbitchesnhos2015 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Shit. This hits close to home. Plate I used to be seeing(key word: used to be) talked way too much about exes and orbiters and I would usually shut her the fuck up real quick. One day I pick her up and she gets a call, mostly just listening. She says it's really important. Her ex boyfriend attempted to kill himself, and this was his mom calling about it. Later when I'm driving her back she checks her phone, this boyfriend blew up her phone and I don't know if she sent this to him or just said it out loud but she said 'kill yourself.' Next, bitch. Ugh.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A good way to tell what they'll think of you after the relationship is looking at how they talk about their exes.

I had one ex who bad mouthed every ex she had, at every opportunity she had. I'm not surprised our mutual friends stopped talking to me.

I had another ex who never talked about her exes, at all. I'm thinking she won't be mentioning me either.

[–]antihostile[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is what got me. If you read the article and know AWALT...well I might not be convinced to kill myself, but my life...my LIFE...is still just a means to the end of her getting attention, sympathy, etc.

[–]antihostile[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, this is exactly the point I was trying to make. Thanks.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Where's the actual story? I'd like to know what she was charged with.

[–]ThundercuntIII 5 points6 points  (4 children)

She's a sociopath, but she doesn't represent every woman out there imo.

[–]Ketaminewarrior 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This bitch is clearly a fucking head case and I think it undermines red pill theory to suggest that this is just a bad case of what any women would do....because that's clearly not the case.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Nothing will come of this, she won't get sentenced.

Still, at least she's being charged.

[–]antihostile[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have to understand how hard this has been on her.

[–]hiphoprising 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Carter’s parents say that their daughter, an honor roll student, is being unfairly portrayed as a villain.

What should she be portrayed as?

[–]codyjoe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Am I the only one who thinks if the genders had been reversed that a guy would have been charged alot more heavy?

[–]CognitiveVortex 8 points8 points [recovered]

This always gets re-posted every couple of months, and honestly, to me, this has no Red Pill application at all. It's just two sick individuals and an unfortunate situation.

We cannot learn anything from this, there's nothing even remotely TRP related. Just like we can't learn anything from fucked up dudes who beat/kill their wives/girlfriends. Similarly to those situations, it can be entirely attributed to mentally sick individuals.

[–]antihostile[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I considered that, but I don't think it's true because of her campaign of sympathy. You want to attribute it to psychopathy, and I don't necessarily disagree, but I think that in fact this is an extreme example of typical female behavior.

[–]What_The_Shoe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a fucking limit. You can take a man's money, his children, ruin his relationships...

But Jesus fucking Christ, you do not make him kill himself for your feelz. I don't like to say "burn you" or "I want to strangle you" regardless of whether I agree with someone or not, but this person is a member of a select few people who need to be hung, drawn, and quartered.

[–]Wilhelm_Stark 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You made a good point there.

Anything can, and probably will be, an assistant for a woman's feels.

[–]JP50515 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there a link to an article on this somewhere?

[–]like_a_ghost 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus, she actually said "get back in"? That is sooooo fucked up. I can't even imagine.

[–]SgtDowns 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not trying to be contrarian - but this could literally just be an example of someone being a terrible person, not necessarily a gender issue in my opinion.

To address OP's points:

a.) We live in a society where looking for sympathy from men is tough.

b.) This seems to be a fairly extreme case.

c.) You could make an argument if this was a rational person, the feeling would be extreme distress not hoping to create sympathy.

All of this makes me believe this person is a sick fuck - but I don't think its a gender issue.

[–]antihostile[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I would say this is borderline...I think people are claiming that this is not AWALT because someone died, but as someone else said, the idea is that girls with do ANYTHING for attention.

[–]coin8300 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Girls will do ANYTHING for attention. It's so pathetic. They are literally children.

[–]antihostile[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think THIS is the argument. People are claiming that this is not AWALT because she killed someone, but I think the idea is that girls with do ANYTHING for attention is really the issue here.

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy fucking shit...are the homos taking over trp? This is the 2nd thread in 2 days that has homosexual evangelists hijacking it.

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