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Field ReportDisturbing Social Trends Observed During Summer Vacation (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by redpillagedotcom

I am currently spending a few relaxing weeks in a sunny Mediterranean coastal city catering primarily to American and European vacationers. Which gives me the opportunity of observing a large and pretty diverse sample set of the Western population, although I do see a good number of Eastern Europeans as well (more on that below). Although I don't go on vacation to engage in empirical sociology I couldn't help but observe a few rather disturbing trends, listed below in no particular order:

  • Cameras-on-a-stick * this recent trend in facilitating selfies has become yet another tool in the pursuit of unmitigated narcissism. They are everywhere and women are the main culprits although a small number of men (among all age groups) use them as well. If you are that guy then please go online and learn about the countless unnamed men in history who died in trenches or blood soaked fields defending their country or their family. Then spend the remainder of that day beating yourself over the head with your damn camera stick before disposing it permanently. (sorry it had to be said)

  • Selfies * Men are doing it as well but for women going on vacation pretty much is tantamount to being on an extended photo shoot. Quite often the procedure is quite elaborate in collaboration with at least one or two others who are in charge of picking the proper setting, help arrange the lighting, check make up, etc. Make no mistake - we guys are completely outclassed here and the three 'casual' shots that may wind up on her FB page have been carefully selected after snapping hundreds if not thousands selfies over the period of several days. The side aspect of this is that this also serves as an implicit ego boost, again amplifying over bloated egos and the perception of their SMV.

  • Obesity * sure I'm not uncovering anything new here. As expected Americans in general are the worst offenders but it seems that British women in particular are hot on their trails (literally as it seems like someone left the gate open). Most of the specimen I had the great misfortune of laying eyes on were at least 20 to 30 pounds overweight, are wearing too much make up, and are dressed in clothes several sizes too small. Muffin tops are everywhere. The fatter they are the higher the likelihood that are traveling in herds. Hot girls usually are seen with their boyfriend/hubby or are accompanied by only one or two girlfriends (not sure if there are lesbian couple dynamics). Again, British women in particular take the cake here (pun intended) - I've come across a wide range of obnoxious large and in charge wildebeests who seem to think that they are God's gift to men. They are loud, annoying, and behave like slobs.

  • Dominant/Leading Behavior Among Women * This actually inspired me to write this post as it stood out, and once I started looking for signs of this behavior I began to see it everywhere. Not only are women acting increasingly dominant - a large percentage of men now seem to be relegated to following them around like little pet dogs. I am seeing many women holding a map and/or a mobile phone whilst storming ahead of their blue pill floor-mats - not even wasting a glance back to see if he's tagging along. Men are rarely consulted on where to go or are being ignored. Quite a few times I have seen women snap the map out of their hubbies/boyfriend's hand. Conversations seem to revolve between the women in the group with the men standing by passively. If men are participating then it's mostly to supplicate or attempting to impress the girl. Men are the ones paying for meals/drinks about 90% of the time and quite often the women waits at the table (pecking at her mobile) while her male slave is procuring drinks and snacks. It's a truly sad state of affairs to see such a dramatic shift in social behavior as this is not something I observed let's say 10 or 20 years ago.

  • Men Dating < Their SMV * Here it appears European men in particular are among the worst offenders. You may in your own life have come across the occasional 'odd couple' - in that the girl is smoking hot and you wonder what the hell she's doing with that 5'5'' bald creep in tennis shoes (my apologies in advance to all you small guys who happen to be bald and love tennis shoes). But I am noticing the inverse with increasing regularity now - athletic good looking tall and well dressed men who would be simply killing it in the U.S. are accompanies by women at least 2 or 3 notches below their own SMV. We are talking guys who may be accepted by model agencies pairing up with a 5 or 6. If she's not outright ugly then at minimum she's at least 15 pounds too heavy. I'm not saying they are dating ugly girls but clearly they could do a lot better if they had any game whatsoever. Make no mistake guys - despite the red pill it seems that fat acceptance is on the rise. The feministas are either succeeding in rendering obesity socially acceptable/desirable or men are settling lower out of sheer desperation. The thirst is real and I have seen guys who are far better looking than me (taller, more symmetrical faces, better dressed, bigger, etc.) with women I would not even touch with a ten foot pole being shitfaced.

  • Men Dating > Their SMV: Rare and the only observances are EE men who are clearly alpha as fuck and seem to be treating their girls as if they're a 3 or 4. Those guys are fully in charge and are running the show - you won't see the average Russian/Ukranian dude holding their gal's purse whilst tagging behind her. Some of these guys are fat and look like they slept in their clothes but just from looking at them you can tell they are not used to taking any shit. Meaning if you make eye contact they look straight back at you with that little tilt of the head that suggests to not come looking for trouble and to STF away from their gal/family. You know - red blooded masculine men.

  • Mobile Phone Immersion * While I see most older couples simply enjoy a few relaxing days in the sun, anyone born after ~1990 appears to have been equipped with a cerebral timer daemon compelling them to check their mobile device every other minute or so. The younger the person the more addictive the behavior. Attention span are short and I have seen young girls on guided tours who are constantly immersed in their mobile devices. Here they are in front of a gorgeous 16th century Gothic church and they're barely wasting a glance or are paying attention to the guide. It's not the norm fortunately but I'd say 30% to 40% are completely out of touch with the reality that surrounds them.

  • Piercings And Tattoos Are Epidemic * It seems this trend goes in tandem with mobile phone immersion. Almost anyone in their twenties now dons some type of tattoo - it's evenly split between the sexes. As a matter of fact it's become extremely rare to come across a good looking women who has not branded her body one way or the other for posterity - and I'm not talking about earrings here. I think tattoo removal services are going to be a booming growth industry in the coming decade (or at least one would hope). As a side note - many Mediterranean men and young boys now don a tattoo on at least one of their shaved calves. I personally find it a bit effeminate but suspect many of you will disagree.

  • Pseudo Bad Boys * Quite a number of you circulating now - especially among S. European guys it seems (less so among N. European men, probably due to more favorable employment statistics). This is related to tattoos and piercings in that a large number of men seem to feel compelled of acting out some kind of bad boy, biker, anarchist, or outlaw fantasy. Sorry guys - you're not fooling anyone. You may hit the gym and don a few tats but it's all an act. Very few of you guys have been in a fight since high school, do even know how to fight, and if you were challenged physically probably would run the other way. Most likely this is some attempt to attract women - clearly the word has gone out that bad boys get the girls and nice guys finish last (which may be a good start). Only problem is that I'm seeing way too many of them now - so the little additional edge it affords you will be gone soon. My personal advice - forget about tats, piercings, and baggy pants - the real bad boy wears it on the face (and approaches without giving a fuck). Contrast that with E. European men who still rarely don any tats (unless they are real - meaning they are connected) but act macho as hell. I'm not really impressed at all by a wanna-be-Eminem acting getting in my face as much as by a guy in a suit who looks me straight in the eyes and tells me in no certain terms what the deal is.

  • Women Traveling In Groups / Lesbian couples * I am sure this has been a trend over the past few decades but I do see an increasing number of women traveling in groups - I'm also seeing more lesbian couples. What stands out here is that in almost all cases they seem to be completely immersed in their own network with little interaction with the outside world, especially men. They travel together, talk together, drink together, message each other, take photos of each other. They do seem to be aware of their surroundings but it only serves as a stage for their group's performance. Perhaps this goes hand in hand with an increase in lesbian relationships? Women have always been more accepting of both sexes and there is a lot more here than meets the eye, guys. In a world where they are constantly told that men are pigs who are not needed and are replaceable making the leap, if so genetically predisposed, is now almost procedural.

  • Women's Interest In Men * Almost non-existent. I myself am a pretty good looking bloke but the streets here are literally teaming with handsome men and boys. Many of them are well dressed (especially the Europeans - sorry). A pretty good percentage of men seem to hit the gym regularly - they are in great shape and take care of themselves. And most of them are being completely ignored by the women around them. When I see a good looking fellow I often observe the women around him to gauge the level of interest. They don't look around and they don't care - unless you're clearly in the 9 - 10 range you are simply background noise to them - you don't exist. Breaching the bitch shield has become a basic skill if you want to have any opportunity whatsoever. You could be Brat Pitt rolling down the road in a Ferrari and I bet you most gals wouldn't even care or notice (alright - I'm exaggerating but you get the point). The SMV required to trigger passive attention (meaning girls noticing you without you taking action) is extremely high - again, unless you are a solid 9 or 10 you will have to work hard. A shy young man with an SMV at or below 7 may spend his entire youth with barely any female interaction.

  • Hair Styles Among Women * It's good to see that no self respecting Mediterranean, EE, or Latin women below 40 cuts her hair off - period. I am seeing swaths of beautiful young girls with gorgeous manes down to their asses here. They really take care of themselves and they clearly are enjoying their femininity. This stands in stark contrast with American, British as well as German, Dutch, and Scandinavian women. At least half of them cut their hair short after they get married or before that. It's rather stunning to set foot here if you're used to a populace of women at home who cut their hair short for convenience or to make a political/social statement. Very rarely do I see 'chicken haircuts' among women younger than 40 except among NE and American women.

  • Dress Codes Among Women * Best dressers are S. European, E. European, and Latin women - a lot of them can be seen in stylish dresses of all lengths and high heels - very feminine. Among N. European and Asian women it's very mixed depending on where they're from. American women dress like slobs compared with most European women - it's simply embarrassing. Sorry to harp on you Brits but most of your gals dress as if they receive fashion tips from a color blind Matt Lucas. A positive is the widespread use of yoga pants among Anglo-Saxon women - which given the right specimen is entertaining. I can usually tag a gal from 300 feet (100m) away - at minimum if she's European or American.

  • Dress Codes Among Men * The winners here are S. European men - not a big surprise. Most of those guys know how to dress to impress even in hot weather. Very stylish casual clothing. Of course the Mediterranean has their share of white trash and you seem them mixed in. Most N. European guys are in typical holiday gear - short pants and t-shirts - most of them have basic fashion sense. American men - sigh - sorry guys but I rarely come across a yank here who doesn't dress like a bloody tourist. We are talking loud shirts, over-sized pants, baseball caps, tennis shoes. You will rarely to ever see a S. European guy with tennis shoes unless he just came out of the gym. They mostly wear stylish summer sandals or espadrilles, dress shirts with short sleeves, and stylish pants - no shorts unless it's over 33 Celsius (> 91 F). Learn from them!

  • Men's Interest In Women * As you may have guessed this has not changed very much - guys are always ogling the gals. What I have not seen very much however are approaches. The chaps are clearly interested but women have become experts in applying a well constructed bitch shield which mainly consists of using the bitch face, group swarming, and especially mobile immersion. Back in the days you could use the book she was reading as a conversation starter. Now it seems like not a moment in a women's life is spent idle, when not entertained any available time is spent maintaining her virtual lifeline.

  • Eastern Europeans * What can I say, the women immediately stand out as they are hot as hell. Mobile devices are now ubiquitous among EE women I am sorry to say. Quite notable however is that the women in almost all cases are a lot more attractive than their hubbies/boyfriends. It's the complete opposite of what I'm seeing among Western European couples. Quite often you will see a small chap who looks like money but would not raise a single eyelash in the U.S. with a drop dead gorgeous skinny gal that most of you guys would rate at least an 8 or 9.

  • Passive Aggressive Behavior * Along with the ubiquity of tattoos and bad boy outfits/haircuts I also notice a lot more passive aggressive behavior. I actually don't see any real fights but what I'm noticing is some underlying frustration exhibited by young males. Which I find rather disturbing. Clearly there is an arms race at play between young men to gain access to some of the few available high quality women. I'm not saying that there aren't any - I actually am seeing quite a few hot babes. But few of them are available and the ones who are seem oblivious to any advances/attention or actively discourage it (see above). Which seems to frustrate anyone on the lookout for a bit of holiday fun. I'm not certain that this is a new phenomenon but I believe that passive aggression has now taken the place of traditional physical clashes between males. Clearly it's difficult being a man and kick some drunk idiot's butt if you're surrounded by legions of cameras connected to social media sites that may ruin your future career with incriminating evidence.

  • In Summary * I'm sad to admit this but it seems clear to me that men are 'losing the war'. The average young women lives in a completely different world than you or I, one in which everything revolves around her ego and everything that surrounds here is designed to cater to her precious feelings. Men are expendable and are grasping for the few low hanging straws left for them (education, career, relationships, sex, social roles, etc.). I wouldn't go as far as label men 2nd class citizens but based on current observations the social role and value of men is systematically (or at least implicitly) being diminished.

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P.S.: I have nothing against tennis shoes and/or sneakers and actually call several pairs my own. No tennis shoes or white socks were injured in the production of this post.


[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 126 points127 points  (21 children)

What you're seeing in the difference between eastern european and southern/northern european men is that masculinity is not demonised there. Being macho is more socially acceptable, and therefore, conducive to getting laid there. Machoness is also very much class based. The higher the social class, the less socially accepted acting like a cunt who doesn't give a fuck really is.

Acting/being macho in the UK (where I am) can help you situationally, but generally speaking, unless you work in a trade (plumbing, electrics etc) it won't help you network. It will turn people off to you. I guess it depends where you live as I'm in the south, in the North of the UK people are more macho. Here in the south the culture demands beta if you're going to even get paid. Macho guys will get kicked out of corporations for failing to uphold the status quo. That's why there's an undercurrent of anger and discontent with a lot of guys here. They are not free to be themselves, they're culturally imprisoned, neutered, emasculated. It's like a feminist dystopian nightmare here.

The most macho guys in the UK are guys who generally speaking can't afford a trip to a resort in Europe, eg: working class. Or they are middle class self-employed tradesmen who build houses and shit (and so could afford the trip.) You'll find most of your sample there were middle class pencil pushers, by merit of simply being able to afford to vacation. And that they compose more of the middle class than the few tradesmen we have (who, despite their income making them middle class, would largely identify as and behave as working class.)

Likewise the differences you observed between EE men being with women better looking than them and NE men being with women inferior looking than they are is due to cultural narcissism and gender ratio. In Ukraine and Russia there are more women than men. Not so in Western Europe. Men have more power in the dating markets there. Likewise in the west women are all brainwashed into thinking they are 10/10's and that men are collectively not worth shit. Single mothers are heroes and men are potential deadbeats. Such is the view of men when family collapses. In heavily Americanised cultures the implicit (but often, explicit) memetic is that men aren't worth shit and women are the very vital essence the universe is composed of.

In the west it's harder to date/get laid for the average guy because western women are not only fucked up and taught to hate men, but likewise have more distorted views of reality. Americanised culture's men still have needs, so they compete to be the best, hit the gyms, learn game, whatever. Whilst the women have to do nothing because they bluff through it with narcissism and a lower sex drive. So western women can just sit on their ass and date increasingly more attractive men without being worth a fuck absent their basic bitch vagina. Women rely on their pussy most in the west, because the power of the pussy is strongest in the west. This is likewise why you never bring an Eastern bitch to a Western country. Because she'll jump on the narcissism train and become a cunt.

In EE there are less job opportunities and more income insecurity for women, so the beta bux strategy is still more valid. Those cultures don't shit on masculinity so much, the men are more comfortable with masculinity and are likewise more likely to have had a dad/strong male role models in the family to pass on said masculinity. The women are less narcissistic (generally speaking) because the culture isn't as westernised/americanised. So those women don't go around thinking they are 10's, making them easier to attract/date. Narcissism in a woman is not attractive, it only works for men.

But what we have in the west is men who are under confident and women who are overconfident. The rules of attraction have not changed for feminism, and this dynamic leads to a really fucked up dating environment. The game is really fucking pervertedly inverted right now. In truth, to promote successful mating, it is men who must be overconfident and women who must be under confident. Hypergamy demands this. The west is experiencing the reverse of this.

Part of the reason we have to neg the shit out of women in the west to get any action is because their egos are so overblown that you need to bring them back to reality, no matter how temporarily, just to get them to see you as superior and therefore, attractive. That's why we have the emergence of Patrice O'Neal level game. You literally need balls of fucking steel absent godlike genetics in the west to get pussy. And the west is likewise far more hostile to masculinity than anywhere in Eastern Europe.

So growing up in the west to be badass is hard mode as the environment is less conducive to masculine values than the east. The west isn't completely neutered, but it is more so than anywhere else. You will still find badass guys here, but you will find a ton of pussies too. Why do you think TRP is a largely western phenomenon and didn't start in say, China? Likewise, non-westerners find it easier to clean up here because they already "got the right training" that guys missed out on here (and look to TRP for.) Most of the guys here by all comparison do not have a level of masculinity that's anywhere near as developed as EE men due to the influence of feminism. Men here are deprived of their masculinity and most men, IMO, have an absent sense of masculinity, if not an underdeveloped one.

There are a lot of dynamics behind your observations. Mostly the economic differences between northern/western Europe vs. the rest of Europe (which you alluded to briefly) as well as the amount of Americanisation each country has gone through in overinflating the feminine ego. The richer a country becomes and the less women need men to survive, the less women value men, the more entitled and unattractive they become, and the more the dating market skews in favour of women. Women are best kept gratuitous, when they are allowed too much power, they become tyrants, and the male majority misses out condemned to celibacy. If I had to fathom a guess, I'd say most western guys are in an involuntarily imposed state of celibacy. Shit's fucked up out here.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Brilliant response and I share a lot of your analysis. Didn't really want to delve into it too deep as the post was already too long. Thanks a lot for taking the time to spell it out.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 5 points6 points  (2 children)

No worries. Always fun to read other men's observations and compare notes.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Love your work by the way - I would give a digit to be as literate and articulate.as you. Perhaps consider joining our rowdy crew of contributors over at redpillage? It would be an honor having you.

[–]RedSugarPill 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Macho guys will get kicked out of corporations for failing to uphold the status quo. That's why there's an undercurrent of anger and discontent with a lot of guys here. They are not free to be themselves, they're culturally imprisoned, neutered, emasculated. It's like a feminist dystopian nightmare here.

Goes for the entire university system in the US too.

Men who unluckily chose a research career in modern culture must conform or be cast out. Even the old guys (tenured professors with hundreds of publications) have to put up with non sequitur feminazi bullshit from young faculty cunts when they are presenting their research--even when the research has not a fucking thing to do with gender--but somehow it turns into a gender issue. It drives me insane.

[–]3_Years_a_Lurker 2 points2 points [recovered]

I graduated from college not too long ago. Over the years, I periodically struggled with bouts of depression/ unhappiness and I couldn't isolate the root of the problem as to why.

After I finally got my degree and moved, my mood significantly improved. I love to learn and improve myself, but I realized the university was the problem the whole time. Both the classroom setting and the overly liberal standards were oppressive. I wasn't allowed to be my natural self because it might offend someone and then the university would shit down my neck. When I finally finished, it was a tsunami of relief.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Acting/being macho in the UK (where I am) can help you situationally, but generally speaking, unless you work in a trade (plumbing, electrics etc) it won't help you network. It will turn people off to you. I guess it depends where you live as I'm in the south, in the North of the UK people are more macho. Here in the south the culture demands beta if you're going to even get paid. Macho guys will get kicked out of corporations for failing to uphold the status quo. That's why there's an undercurrent of anger and discontent with a lot of guys here. They are not free to be themselves, they're culturally imprisoned, neutered, emasculated. It's like a feminist dystopian nightmare here.

If you directly work for a corporation. The reality is most corporations can no longer do the work in-house and are forced to subcontract.

The Snowden incident is a case in point. Despite his outward wimpy appearance he was heavily into martial arts. And he also got a job as a military subcontractor despite having no formal credentials.

Basically what it shows is corporations/military are no longer able to dorectly get qualified personnel because of politics. As a result they are forced to hire them in indirect ways.

[–]erplaint 7 points8 points  (1 child)

What you're seeing in the difference between eastern european and southern/northern european men is that masculinity is not demonised there.

Yet. Feminism is creeping into these areas as well, sadly. Can tell you from experience. Whether or not it will be as sucessful as it was in the west in destroying masculinity I can not say. Maybe the men of these areas have seen what happened in the west and are better prepared to deal with it. However it is difficult when it comes attached with propaganda campaigns financed by loads of cash coming from western feminist organizations who simply won resounding victories there and have all the finances in their grasp.

[–]epixs 5 points6 points  (4 children)

The bit you stated about how by effect men having to become more and more masculine as well as being able to neg women is something that highly resonates with my own experiences.

However does that mean there will be even higher polarities between "manly" men and "pussified" men in the west? Because that would only add to the amount that ones has to develop themselves to become more masculine-not saying that is a bad thing...just wondering. Eventually what you would have is literally no respect for any man, even if they would be considered a honorable/respectable man in any other place.

This also endorses the sayings repeated here many times, "Women never care about the man in progress, only the final result."

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 21 points22 points  (3 children)

However does that mean there will be even higher polarities between "manly" men and "pussified" men in the west?

This is what I'm seeing. Personally, I strive for balance, because it is my preference, but the west demands extremism: either total supplication, or complete cuntishness. I'm not too fond of being a complete cunt 24/7, I like showing people common decency and being personable. As such one is civil (especially with women) at their own peril. One must be able to switch from a personable guy to one who will fuck up the person mistaking kindness for weakness at a second's notice if they are to get away with toeing-a-line so to speak. It's a peace through power philosophy.

Eventually what you would have is literally no respect for any man, even if they would be considered a honorable/respectable man in any other place.

To be honest, I think we're already there. At least where I am.

[–]epixs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the clarification . I agree having to turn on those that see your politeness or civil kindness as weakness and try to take advantage gets annoying , but has to be done.

[–]mooch10 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is something I learned working in guest services at a major hotel. You get your average entitled guest, and that's fine, but you have to pull the "asshole trigger" without hesitation when confronted with tyrannical cunts. The amount of barbarism implicit in their demeanor has caused me to be nearly in humane in my prompt dismissal of their concerns. The funny thing is, it's not so much an issue with what they want, but how little regard they have for traditional politeness. It's as if they disregard their own humanity and shit on their own value. But it doesn't bother them. It's mind-boggling.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm also from the UK and every single part of this is spot on. It's an especially astute observation about the difficulty of being visibly and unashamedly masculine here whilst also having a high paying career that isn't a trade. Even guys like us who are actively trying to be more masculine find it difficult because while it's easy to do it at the gym or at football on a Saturday, there are certain areas of life here where it just isn't acceptable, like working in an office.

The working class guys who have working class jobs probably find it easier because they don't generally work in sensitive, corporate environments but the trade off is that they likely won't have the kind of lucrative, high end career that most of us here want. Obviously that's a generalisation but to that extent it is true.

[–]2rp_valiant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm afraid Northern England isn't that much better. Where I am there's a mix of modern young professionals and old-school northerners (mostly older generations), but the latter quotient is shrinking and generally seem more like they're out to prove something than just being masculine.

[–]Futdashukup 62 points63 points  (39 children)

I'm English and I can confirm our women are fat as fuck. They basically mainline a mixture of Pinot Grigio, chocolate and sitting around on their fat arses doing fuck all and end up fat dobbers.

Trans: a "fat dobber" is someone who is fat. e.g "Look at that fat dobber over there."

[–]JohannFriedl 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Can also confirm. All the points about the Brits in this post ring true. On a night out in my town you'll find dozens of jacked, well dressed, good looking guys fighting over the tiny number of acceptable girls that can be found. I've seen guys that seriously could be models crash and burn in humiliating fashion trying to approach plain, sluttish, dumpy girls. It's like they have a permanent bitch shield just for the fun of it, just because they can.

Average night out = about 100 guys in the bar: 10 are creepy; 30 are just your average anonymous nice guys; 40 work out but don't present themselves too well or vice versa; 20 are well groomed, good looking, clearly work out and eat for gains.

In the same bar you'll have max 30 girls, which means average guys automatically have no hope, and of these 30 girls, 10 will be obese/old/ugly; 10 will be shaggable only with beer goggles on and the lights off; 5 will be decent looking but have boyfriends; max 5 will be attractive and available, and are usually in one group, dancing together and fighting off 100 guys.

You can see why even the fat, ugly bitches think they are god's gift to man. You constantly see high smv guys being dragged around like pets behind fugly women, whereas it's so rare to see an average guy with a good looking girl that you automatically assume they must be an escort or catalogue bride from EE or Thailand.

[–]Futdashukup 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree, but it depends where you go. If you go to some cattle-market in a shit-hole town, you will get dog-rough women. If you go into a major city to a decent "club"....

[–]Ninja_Wizard_69 11 points12 points  (20 children)

You forgot to mention pizza (yaaaaaas)

fucking sigh

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

what is this "yaaaaas" that I see online nowadays

[–]Ninja_Wizard_69 10 points11 points  (8 children)

Literally white girl for "yes." More loosely translated to "i want that badly"

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children)

This. The amount of booze English women drink ages them and makes them fat.

[–]Futdashukup 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Yep. I prefer foreign women, especially Spanish,Italian,Greek , fucking any women as long as they're not English. English women when they're young look alright, but then they spoil it by talking and showing that they are generally rough as fuck.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

On the plus side though, they are easy to fuck when they are drunk...and they are often drunk.

[–]Futdashukup 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Their general gobiness and cackling puts me off.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Make sure to bring a flashlight and a machete.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 8 points9 points  (7 children)

But for some reason some of you British blokes have the best fucking game - seems to come natural to you. I re-watched Snatch and Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels this weekend. Jeeezes - if I had only half that wit and could quip like those guys... Of course there's seedy side of the British male population which is simply crude and mostly inebriated when on vacation. But when I spent some time in NYC and L.A. I have watched average looking Brits simply slay it over there. The accent in combination with the way they're handling themselves is like catnip to American chicks.

[–]Gregseh 5 points5 points [recovered]

Can confirm. I'm a Scotsman that spent 2 months in Houston and killed it. I'm average looking at best.

I think the accent was a major in. The girls were all looking for novelty with that and I believe I supplied it (Female americans love to try and cling to whatever their supposed "background" is - the number of times I got "oh I'm from Scotland" when it was their great grandparents, or further back, was unreal).

I would say that I feel there's a pretty big difference between how the women over in Texas act in comparison to how they do in Scotland. It's a slightly different game they play here, whereas the American girls just loved a bit of attention and to try and compete over the (artificially) high SMV I seemed to have.

[–]mryddlin 8 points9 points  (1 child)

North america has a hard core scots-irish fetish, mostly because a large chunk of settlers here were from those two countries.

[–]2rp_valiant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah, like 300 years ago. If you didn't move to America from Ireland, and your parents weren't born in Ireland, you're not Irish. It's pure wankery.

[–]Monobrow02 15 points16 points  (3 children)

I think this might be a class issue. Upper class British girls tend to not be as overweight or plaster their faces with orange makeup.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Most British women are so unattractive, it's almost physically exhausting.

[–]a_nus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Same thing in Mexico, and as far as I can tell, also in the US.

[–]MrRexels 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Enjoy the decline buddy! Degeneracy is where the money's at!

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

As EE guy, who lived 20 years next to the sea i agree, british women are considered the least attractive, their idea of fun time is getting shit faced. Everyone approaches here, but with almost no results. The sad part is we are considered extremely low smv. Here you can get laid by just being from a western country with the worst game possible. Unless you are top5% as EE you dont stand a chance! If you are american, come to sunny beach, Bulgaria. Talk about your life in NY or California, fuck hot pussy.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Damn it - you guys must really hate our guts... but then again, consider what we have to deal with the rest of the year and you may give us a pass.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Believe me i dont! I used to do, but then i found TRP.

[–]aherne18 14 points15 points  (2 children)

I am also pretty good looking (for Romanian standards, at least) and was used to lots of female attention before the age of social media. Now this opened a whole range of possibilities for them to concentrate only on top 5%, so I'm running dry: I must always DO something...

But anyway, I've been in Seychelles a couple of months ago and noticed the huge difference between European tourists, Indians and local blacks. Among W European tourists, I saw a slightly different range: generally newlyweds, followed by old couples.

Newlyweds: wife always leads, man is always "in charge" of paying (same shit as OP noticed). Wife as well as man are sucked of life: none looks in love (especially women), none looks happy (especially women), there is no sexual tension. Once in a while man timidly puts his hands on his wife's shoulders while his wife rarely reciprocates but more often than not simply looks absent the other way or scanning for AM. This trip was the "price" they had to pay to leave their fuck buddies at home and secure a foothold in their beta husbands' pockets...

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Once in a while man timidly puts his hands on his wife's shoulders while his wife rarely reciprocates but more often than not simply looks absent the other way or scanning for AM.

THIS - damn it - I meant to actually make that a bullet point. This almost has become the norm and only today did I see a Latin couple where the girl was all over her pretty hot looking Latin lover. But forget about that when it comes to European or American couples - it's the guys who are constantly seeking physical attention. The girls couldn't care any less and simply enjoy their power status and the attention. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

[–]mrpCamper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is so fucking true. I'm RP and married 15 years and American. and before RP I was always touching the wife and she never reciprocated except for holding my hand. Now, that I'm acting more RP, it's different. Not a ton but there is actually some touching by h er. Lingering hand on shoulder etc. It's really painful to see your wife treating you better the more you act like a dick.

[–]omg_cats 26 points26 points [recovered]

You're going to get a lot of flak for this because the TRP hive mind belief is American women = bad, European women = good with little to no nuance behind it. Your post is really good because it's an example of AWALT, with emphasis on the A.

That A stands for ALL, not American ;)

[–]bluedrygrass 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Absolutely. The only marginal differences are due to residual "lagging behind" in cultural maxirms in some regions.

Take a female from any region of the earth, raise her in the worse "freer" way possbible, and they'll all end up doing the very same things, with the bar as low and lower than the standard american feminist.

Every single one of them, even those little submissive oriental women, or the inuit ones, or wherever else.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The tougher the country the softer/feminine the women and the inverse.

[–]RedPillscientist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Classic case of "you give them an inch, they'll take a mile"

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

FLAK away and see if I care ;-)

[–]1nzgs[🍰] 43 points44 points  (9 children)

Just today I was enjoying the sun in town and I saw a guy who stood out to me as exceptionally good looking, almost like a fitness model or MPD competitor. We 'mired each other for a second and then I saw a girl huffing and puffing behind him yelling something to him. She was fat, orange, had cheap tattoos and no discernable wrists or ankles. I simply don't understand that kind of thing.

Personally I prefer to beat off than be with an unattractive girl, I just don't see the point in them. And at a certain threshold of unattractiveness merely being seen with her would lower one's own SMV in public.

[–]StrokeGameHusky 20 points21 points  (4 children)

It's all a matter of confidence.

Old school baseball scouts still judge prospects confidence on how hot their Gf's are (among other factors of course)

[–]johnyann 13 points14 points  (2 children)

HA. I just had to deal with this. I work as a baseball coach, and actually played two years of low level minor league ball so I know a bit about this kind of stuff.

One of my best prospects is a kid I've been working with since I started(6 years ago). He is 100% the kind of player that should be drafted within the first 8 rounds. Tall, strong, extraordinary technical ability. Runs a 6.6 60 yard dash too. Best player I've ever worked with.

Anyway, he gets told from his high school coach that there are pro scouts looking at him.

Problem is that he's been single all his life and very shy with women. He's naturally an Alpha, but he grew up and only child, and hasn't really learned how to interact with women yet.

Scouts talk about how they've stopped looking at superficial things like how hot a player's girlfriend is, but that's a complete lie.

So I'm thinking that he could potentially lose out of a substantial amount of money if these scouts realize how much of a dork he is.

He ended up getting one of his teammates to have his sister go to games and pretend to be his girlfriend.

He ended up going to college instead of going pro, since an 8th round pick is alright money, but not worth missing out on college for, but I think he and the girl ended up going to prom together, so that's something.

[–]wanderer779 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i thought everyone was doing the moneyball strategy now and were mostly relying on stats?

[–]johnyann 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh they'll definitely look at the 5 tools and whatnot, but like 1 or 2 players a generation are MLB ready at 18. It's all about how a player will develop. It's hard to predict that kind of stuff with stats.

Hense why predicting confidence with the attractiveness of the girlfriend is important.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I know how you feel - it's kind of shocking, right? Here are guys in the Greek God category who are pounding fives and sixes. I mean - give it even basic game the doors are wide open for them - why waste your time on those troglodytes?

[–]Enjoyitbeforeitsover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fucking weird thing is if you kept this up for so long that your family asks if you're fucking gay lol... I really feel like lowering your standards just to be with someone is fucking retarded.

[–]Jimmypickles 12 points13 points  (0 children)

People are becoming socially retarded, and that scares me

[–]1grubek 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Your description of the well dressed fit men vs more fatish women completely lost in their shit reminds me of the rat experiment and the beautiful ones. The situation is freakishly similar.

It has been posted here several times but basically is an experiment where they put rats in a contained environment. At some point of the experiment they start giving the rats excess food and water, there is enough for everybody and then more. The result is that rat society starts to degrade. Female rats start to become more aggressive, alpha male rats start having trouble to control them. More males start to remove themselves and appears a group named "the beautiful ones", a group of male rats that take care of their appearance but hardly interact with females. I believe the end result was that they were not having sex and the colony ends up dying, but I'm not sure.

The freaky part is that here you have described males and females behaving just like the rats in the experiment. Women becoming more aggressive and domineering while self absorbed at the same time. Males becoming more attractive but getting less female attention. Still some alphas around. And with the obesity crisis nobody is going to deny we are living in food abundance...

Its humbling to say the least that we as humans could just be behaving like fucking rats, but at the end the sexual impulses are very primitive so it makes sense that this could be the case. It was really freaking me out as I was reading your post how similar what you described was to the rat experiment.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (9 children)

Yes, Eastern European men are kicking ass. Lately I'm traveling a lot (I'm Croatian living in Germany) and I noticed these things as well.

Men are on the downslope. In best cases they are acting like some saturday night bad boy. Self made, confident men with free spirit are hard to find. That's why I don't have many friends. I just can't take the shit. My favorite nights becomed ones where I go out alone, kill some whisky, and eventually pump and dump some whore. That's better than listening losers lamenting about their sorry lifes.

Women are women. It's definitely true about ignoring upper scale SMV men. I'm not even sure what's happening. A lot of women acts as they are not interested in man at all. Usually they act spoiled and bratty. However I consider them women as much as I consider nice guys men. That is, I don't.

Luckily I'm visiting Eastern Europe very often and I have some high quality plates here and friends also . But plates here are short lived, because chicks here understand their value and they want relationship quickly. No way you can fuck good woman here without her trying to lock you.

Which I respect, I respect women with self respect way more then American or Western Europe whores, which you can pump and dump at a short notice and she really doesn't care..

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Women are women. It's definitely true about ignoring upper scale SMV men. I'm not even sure what's happening. A lot of women acts as they are not interested in man at all.

Necessity is the mother of invention. When women have resources it's the 'ol fish n' bicycle routine. SMV is a male-libido-centric concept that doesn't adequately describe their tingle matrix which snakes around the brass poles of luxury, self-absorption, power, status and sadomasochism.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

My favorite nights becomed ones where I go out alone, kill some whisky, and eventually pump and dump some whore.

Sounds like time well spent :-)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Usually it is.

I moved to Germany and I'm living in a Metropolitan city where it's hard to meet anybody twice. There is something great in going alone, truly not giving a fuck about anything. Sitting on a bar, killing Jack or Vodka. That's usually the time when I kill my blue emotions, and I act raw, naturally.

I have few good pals but we rarely see each other due to dynamic careers, lot of traveling etc.

Bar is a great place to talk to chicks when you are alone, every minute there is a bimbo ordering Tequila.

Approach that always work is asking her "what kind of cocktail is this" when it's obviously short drink, said with a big shit eating grin.

My accent and muscles are doing the job, I just have to tease a litlle bit and escalate quickly.

This is my favorite way of hooking up because it's 10 to 15 minutes in or out. You get to know results quickly.

[–]redpillgainz 63 points64 points  (26 children)

Fantastic post OP. I don't know if anyone else here is experiencing this, but I feel my self becoming physically upset and quite angry reading this post - and it makes me start to think. I have seen similar situations to what you describe in which a young man who is very good looking, clearly hits the gym, and dresses well, will not even get the time of day from women 2-3 notches below his SMV, and you can forget about women who are 9s or 10s. I am becoming increasingly convinced that just not giving any fuck about women is the way to go. Work on yourself - make more money, get bigger, more muscular, and take your hobby or skill to the next level.

Being in the top 20% is nowhere near good enough. You will not reap the rewards of your hard work until you are in the top 5%. Until you can walk into a room and see your are the most jacked, wealthy and well groomed man there. However most importantly you will not reap the rewards until you stop doing any of it for women and start doing it all for yourself. That right there is the key, however that is what takes the longest to change as we have been conditioned for our whole lives to think in that way. To those of you who are struggling - keep fighting. We have been programmed in a certain way for many years and it can take quite some time to reverse it, but do not give up.

[–]1sardinemanR 40 points41 points  (10 children)

Going to the gym does not raise your SMV to top 20%. All it does is give you a tie breaker. Men are judged by income, status and power.

If you are being compared to other men of the same income, status and power, you get the tie break win. But if your income, status and power would rate you a hard 6, you are still a 6. The gym makes you say a 6.1 instead.

You are not going to leapfrog past the pro athletes, the bankers, the doctors and other high power high status men of this world.

Anyone telling you otherwise is living in a fantasy world and is shitting you.

Also top 20% men generally don't get pissed reading this type of stuff on the internet and don't complain that they can't get interest from 9s and 10s. Part of being top 20% means you're already getting that attention in the first place, you can't claim top 20% status on one hand and then whine on the other that attractive women aren't interested in you.

I have had interest from 9s and 10s since I was 16 years old, and through that time I've been skinny, fat, ripped and flabby at different times. I've dressed like a bum and I've been in well fitting expensive looking suits. I can say with certainty these women do not give two shits about lifting. The 5s and 6s are more impressed with that, the 9s and 10s however are looking at social circles and class.

TRP in general is for MC and lower. UMC and higher is a different world. Still AWALT, but there are different quantifiers in play. Most, virtually all, 9s and 10s are going to be UMC and higher. Either because of better healthcare or whatnot, or maybe better genetics, or the fact that a 9 or 10 woman is going to be preferentially accepted. Regardless, this is how the world works.

[–]thehonestdouchebag 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I think you're looking at the gym lifestyle in the wrong light. You are taking into account only physical benefits of working out/the lifestyle.

In order to be a " gym rat/aesthetic " you have to be able to lead a disciplined and structured lifestyle. The discipline and drive you get from the gym translates to other walks of life.

The gym is may not instantly raise you to the top 20%, but the things you learn from living the gym lifestyle certainly do help you get there.

[–]mugatucrazypills 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you could structure lifestyle around mastery of any activity, doesn't have to be lifting ... if the genetics aren't favorable become the best at something else. $, fame, celebrity, trump physical looks anyways.

[–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the gym is the first time you've been disciplined, you are not doing well elsewhere in life. What about excelling at a musical instrument (not necessarily guitar), killing it in school, building something, starting an organization -- all things that generally require a lot of self discipline.

Top guys have self discipline but no muscles, because they are too busy and have no time for gym.

[–]johnyann 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The 5s and 6s are more impressed with that, the 9s and 10s however are looking at social circles and class.

Fucking nailed it. I think sometimes you can catch the attention of a 7, but this is so fucking true.

Also dudes will be interested in you if you are into that.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I could not agree more - seems like we have made a similar journey. Remember that what/who you pursue has a tendency of wanting to escape. If you simply work for money you will never be truly successful. If you hit the gym for women and for looks only - how long are you going to keep that up? Whatever you do - do it for yourself. And not caring about women is the best way of attracting them. Ever seen the Thao of Steve?

Dex: Do you want to have sex with this woman?

Dave: Definitely.

Dex: Okay, then you're violating the first rule of being Steve.

Dave: Who?

Dex: You must learn to eliminate your desire.

Rick: It's Buddhist.

Dex: I think the Taoists said it first.

Rick: Hey, are we gonna have a seminar or are we gonna play golf?

Dex: Just a short seminar on the elimination of desire, okay? If you're out with this girl and even THINKING about getting laid, you're finished, cuz women can smell an agenda like shit on a shoe.

[–]StrokeGameHusky 21 points22 points  (10 children)

I've been going to the gym since I was 17 (pre- RP). I haven't noticed major gains until I started lifting for strength, not glamour.

Compound workouts are you friend. Lift with perfect form. Lift for strength and discipline,not women.

In the past few years I have noticed a heavy spike in women's attention, because I am becoming more built like a man, not the situation from jersey shore..

[–]RedDeadlift 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ditto. I lifted for looks (machines, abs, arms) for 12 years before switching to lifting for strength (deadlifts, squats, heavy bench). I get much more attention now.

[–]mooch10 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Don't forget cross training with yoga or whatever. I have about a year under my belt of power yoga 1-2 times a week. My feet are ridiculously vascular and I can actually touch my toes now. Also it gives you presence of mind and body intelligence.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I've also noticed a huge difference since switching completely to free weights (except squats and hamstrings, I have bad knees) and doing compound lifts. I've also been able to cut a lot of different lifts out. I stick to deadlifts, incline/decline dumbbells, chest flys, barbell shrugs and barbell hang-pulls (not sure the accepted term for that workout is). And I've worked abs into leg workouts (hanging leg lifts, laying leg lifts, and deadlifts). I feel working them together has given me more core strength. Fuck crunches I say.

About the only isolation exercises I do are preacher curls, a certain shoulder workout, and hamstrings.

Any tips for other good compound lifts?

Edit: elaboration

[–]writewhereileftoff 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Pull-ups, chin ups, face pulls, bent over rows, chest dips & shoulder press would fit well into your compound lifts.

Edit: also why no regular bench?

[–]The_Virgin_Rapist 2 points2 points [recovered]

Do box squats. Bad knees aren't an excuse to not squat.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate your opinion. Normally you would be right. I just don't have as strong of a knee as I used to and I don't feel comfortable doing free weight squats. That's what 4 years in the Army got me.

I can do squats with the guided bars attached to rail on the squat rack and I work in deadlifts quite frequently to make up for it.

It might not a perfect or even ideal routine, but I only have one set of knees and I'm not going to risk another serious injury to one at at 25 years old just to get the perfect lift when a far safer routine is sufficient enough.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I stopped giving a fuck during my 20's (I'm 27, almost 28) and my results are getting worse the more I go to the gym, focus on my career, and develop more hobbies. It's fucking rough.

Your emotional health bleeds through somehow. Don't do any of this as an escape from women or sexual frustration. It will only lead to more pain and anger. However, if you are doing anything for the wrong reason and it's a positive step in the right direction, it's a hell of a lot better to do it than to sit around, not taking any action at all.

I heard this definition of hell: "The last day you have on earth, the person you became will meet the person you could have become". The thing is, I think this is what goes through your head when you're on your deathbed. It's made me actively fight for my beliefs. If you're reading/posting here, and going out and taking action to improve things, fighting through the pain, sticking to it, gaining straight, developing discipline, then you're a warrior. We might not live in a society that's a true warrior culture, but our spirit still need it, it's a part of our evolution, we need something good to die for. We're spiritual warriors.

It will never end. There's no finish line, you're always going to be either improving or in a downward spiral. Fight until you meet yourself in hell.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't mean to ruin your day - just stuff that's been accumulating in my mind over the past few days.

[–]ericatx 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Invest now in sperm banking or fertility clinic operations. These women in the future will be using sperm donors only when it comes time to have their baby fantasies fullfilled. Great post! Very observant and well written.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

There's a horror story I shudder to think about.

A BB paying for some sperm donor's child with the woman that he is married to, because she didn't want to reproduce with him.

[–]1cover20 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No need to shudder. Just don't be that BB.

Maybe being an alpha (or at least non-beta) is being able to say no to women, repeatedly, happily.

[–]powerfap107 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LOL there was a thread about a story just like that but it was due to the dude's height. I'm gonna try to find it. Edit: Found it. Cringe away

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol I don't know how any of these guys agree to support women who didn't let them pass on their genes.

[–]widec 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's plenty of walking sperm donors around, but fertility clinics will have a growing customer base without a doubt.

[–]HAMMURABl 25 points26 points  (3 children)

I recently travelled through East- and Southeast-Asia. At all airports, especially airports close to popular travel locations, I noticed that there were significantly more young women travelling than young men.

Breaking it down, the statistics in the (white, 18-35) bracket was roughly as follows (mixed groups added in couples section):

  • 25 % couples travelling together

  • 40 % women travelling in women-only groups (typical group-size: 2-3)

  • 20 % men travelling in men-only groups (typical group-size: 2)

  • 5 % men travelling alone

  • 10 % women travelling alone

Why are so much more young women travelling than young men? Because women spend all money they have. There is no long-term planning here. Men tend to be more thrifty with their money, and seem to have a significantly higher savings-rate than women. Thus they can not simply afford to go on far-away vacations where they spend 2 months of salary. This narrative also fits the experience within my social circle, where many women enter their late-twenties with close to zero savings. My guess is that these women do (unconsciously) always assume that a 30 y/o man will pop up, who lives his life frugally and managed to save up a decent nest-egg.

Also: Jesus Christ, American and Aussie women: 7s and 8s with attitudes I have yet to see in Europe. Don't know how you manage to deal with them.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

You only got it half right - women also save money all year by getting free drinks, lunches, dinners, favors, rent paid, etc. The money they don't blow on shoes and crap they can afford to spend on exotic holidays (a.k.a. photo ops to raise social value and lure in more suckers, then repeat the cycle).

[–]mugatucrazypills 4 points5 points  (0 children)

you could learn from these women, cut your expenses(stop wasting money trying to buy attention or impress your neighbour) and spend your money on travel as a single guy .. look at the numbers on average you'll be 2-5x to one outnumbering the uncoupled fem travelers. More importantly you'll be enhancing yourself with travel rather than sitting at home wasting money on "shit" to put in yout house

[–]razorwan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My cousin, who recently began earning as a doctor in the 300k+ figures, is suddenly traveling all over the globe even with med school debts because his yuppy wife is making him do this. Go figure, the wife's mother is a divorcee herself, and the wife makes my cousin cover all travel expenses for her mother as well.

As always, being wise with your money is another aspect of a healthy life. Women want to capitalize on their youth and your money as much as possible before their time runs out. Hold on to these things dearly or you'll become another victim of yuppyhood.

[–]Myrpl 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I can confirm your observation as a Greek. I tend to notice hot guys who clearly hit the gym and got the alpha package dating chubby chicks and super average girls who not only tell them what to do while they move around - they also scold them! One of my theories is that they're stuck with them either because they don't have game or because they believe that somehow "since she's average she won't slut it up".

My blood is boiling just from remembering some instances.

[–]aherne18 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I believed the same:) I once "dated" an Arabian girl (quite beautiful by the way) for some time and thought she could not be "dating" other men behind my back because she was Arab, Muslim, and kinda chubby.

[–]mugatucrazypills 1 point2 points  (1 child)

been there done that AHERN, maybe it was the same lady ?

islam is as islam does aherne, muslim girls will turn that morality on and off like a light switch.

the islamic boys are on to something, they'll run through a bunch of your white chicks looking for "exotic dangerous terror tingle fuckcapaides" then turn on the islam when it comes time to eject.

"But I'm a super openminded and liberal muztron !" (take out the lube)

by the weekend:

"oh sorry dad and mom just won't accept you and I have to be true to my culture to go marry Aisha, thanks for the anal memories !"

[–]epixs 70 points71 points  (20 children)

Was at multiple airports due to flying for some school reasons.

-I noticed most guys walking behind their women carrying all the shit including diaper bags and baby shit.

-Women heavily overweight and still pigging out with the food.

-Lots of manlets and faggot just mean muggin people but not really doing anything

-When starting a conversation with some people, they really had no idea how to react. As if talking to someone in the waiting lounge at an airport terminal is super taboo now.

-Many women with short hair and ugly haircuts

-To many fat women

-Being in a tailored well fit suit grabs attention, I learned this firsthand lol.

[–]froggyfreshrap 15 points16 points  (10 children)

These were European airports? In NL u got a shitload of women with short weird hair, its a way of saying: Im an independent women smh

[–]Blaat1985 17 points18 points  (9 children)

Only after they bagged a man. They know how unattractive it makes them.

[–]StrokeGameHusky 25 points26 points  (3 children)

It's deplorable. I want a woman with long hair to run my fingers through and pull when I fucking her from behind.

These short, masculine hair cuts are very common among crossfit/fitness chicks. It's an epidemic. A woman with short hair, broad shoulders and a wide back, is a man.

[–]Dravous 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I think I'd still rather have a fit girl with a boy cut than a land whale, regardless of cut.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I want a woman with long hair to run my fingers through and pull when I fucking her from behind

What you do is to wrap it around your wrist like a lasso and pull her neck backward while you thrust forward. That usually makes them come in 30 seconds flat.

[–]HeinousFu_kery 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want a woman with long hair to run my fingers through and pull when I fucking her from behind.

Or maybe an invitation to use a proper collar or scarf to pull on while fucking her from behind...that makes some of them nearly come before you start.

[–]theflupke 6 points7 points  (4 children)

This. Every girl I know does this after a while in a relationship, I don't get it at all

[–]Mightyskunk 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My wife wants to get hers cut short, for the convenience. I told her she'll sure have a lot more time with me not home anymore. Her hair keeps getting longer now!

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 27 points28 points  (2 children)

It's good grounds for dumping her IMO. It's up there with getting fat. It's not what you signed up for. You signed up for beauty, she signed up for masculinity. If you started acting like a bitch, she'd dump you. One should return that sentiment in kind. If she reneges on her side of the deal and intently debauches her beauty, the deal is off and as such she should be told to fuckoff.

[–]mugatucrazypills 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Somebody did a routine on this, "It's just easier that way they'll say". As he points out so is "not getting out of bed when you want to take a piss", but there are consequences. Although for most women there are no immediate consequences, as the average man will think, well at least I'm still getting some pity puss.

The real message is that they don't care anymore to put effort or work into you. You've been captured/caught and now it's a game to see how slovenly a caricature and contrast(fat,boyhair,rude) of their dating self they can become before you become "insensitive" and "selfish" and abandon the LTR/marriage . Cue exit, Cue social sympathy, Cue cash and prizes.

Kind of amusing in the abstract.

[–]erplaint 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Many women with short hair and ugly haircuts

I never understand what's in their minds. It's as if average looking women think they can make themselves prettier by making themselves uglier. They think that, by magic, they will somehow break through the other side as if they will travel so far east they'll turn up west. Shitty mindset because this is not a globe, it's a swamp: the uglier you make yourself the more you sink in the mud.

[–]ElectroSauce 1 point2 points  (2 children)

They think it's edgy and cool.

e.g. Kaley Cuoco and Miley Cyrus

[–]erplaint 1 point2 points  (1 child)

True. What they fail to see is that Kaley Cuoco for instance is naturally pretty and can get away with it. She is still somewhat attractive in spite of the shitty haircut, not because of it. The average woman is, well, average. Hence getting a manly haircut will make them look like a dyke, they can't pull it off. As for Miley Cyrus, better not comment on that...

[–]SOwED 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If they were European airports, it makes sense that people don't know how to react when you start a conversation with them. In most European countries, strangers don't make small talk like they do in the US.

[–]byronshadow 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Here they are in front of a gorgeous 16th century Gothic church and they're barely wasting a glance or are paying attention to the guide.

The experience itself isn't important. What matters is updating your Facebook to show all your friends how worldy you are. This sort of narcissism is becoming the norm. Women, already obsessed with managing others' perceptions of them, are ill-equipped to handle 24/7 connectivity with any degree of restraint or maturity.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah, try to ask her one question about that fucking church - she will not remember a single detail (e.g. period, name, history, etc.). Not only are they vapid creatures - they just simply couldn't give less of a fuck. "Oh wait - gotta go - there's Chad texting me..."

[–]drallcom3 25 points25 points [recovered]

I do live in a big sunny Mediterranean coastal city (and there next to a well known building), catering to Western and surprisingly Chinese tourists. Most of what you write is true and all of those people are tourists or immigrants.

There's really a shitload of selfies, stick and cameras to see.

It's good to see that no self respecting Mediterranean, EE, or Latin women below 40 cuts her hair off - period.

Me gusta.

Dress Codes Among Men * The winners here are S. European men - not a big surprise. Most of those guys know how to dress to impress even in hot weather. Very stylish casual clothing. Of course the Mediterranean has their share of white trash and you seem them mixed in.

A lot of Mediterranean men dress badly. The only ones who stand out the the Italians.

Men Dating > Their SMV: Rare and the only observances are EE men who are clearly alpha as fuck and seem to be treating their girls as if they're a 3 or 4.

Money. Those EE women are mostly Romanians and they're the worst gold diggers ever.

In Summary * I'm sad to admit this but it seems clear to me that men are 'losing the war'.

Eh, it's like everywhere else. Woman lose too by not finding a partner (and there are no generous social benefits in tihs country here for being a single mother).

[–]thewalex 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Selfies - Men are doing it as well but for women going on vacation pretty much is tantamount to being on an extended photo shoot. Quite often the procedure is quite elaborate in collaboration with at least one or two others who are in charge of picking the proper setting, help arrange the lighting, check make up, etc. Make no mistake - we guys are completely outclassed here and the three 'casual' shots that may wind up on her FB page have been carefully selected after snapping hundreds if not thousands selfies over the period of several days. The side aspect of this is that this also serves as an implicit ego boost, again amplifying over bloated egos and the perception of their SMV.

Before coming to the Red Pill I didn't understand this. I liked to go places and take photos as souvenirs (rather than purchasing cheap crap from shops). But I didn't care to be in the photos that I took. In fact, I preferred not to be in the photos at all. The photos are for me to remember about the awesome places I got a chance to visit, not displaying proof to everyone in person or on social media that I was physically at all those locations.

But it 100% makes sense that women want the attention and social proof of being in the picture. So silly and superficial. But really, how would Ansel Adams' photographs of Yosemite be in any way improved with him making silly poses or faces in the forefront? How many timeless photos do you know of that included the photographer?

[–]drallcom3 5 points5 points [recovered]

Selfies are a good tool for RP men to display status. Once or twice post a photo on Facebook with some women or from an exotic location.

[–]redadactyl 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Bash me all you want but I'm convinced my gopro on a selfie stick has gotten me more pussy than any car/boat I've ever owned. Beat them at their own game and become someone who they think they can draw value from. My "experimental filmmaking" are really just me filming awesome stuff I do with beautiful people and editing in some music. I think the difference is that we genuinely enjoy doing the things we do while the girls are slaves to this need for social proof and just follow it relentlessly.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Losing the war? The men who choose the wrong battlefield get hammered down. RP savvy aside, young women have the advantage with sex, men have the upper hand with success.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Used to be that way but courtesy of female HR departments and blue pill corporate rules men are slipping on that end as well.

[–]fritopiefritolay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then build your own business and make sure you keep away the gossipy HR hens away.

[–]IndyBrodaSolo 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Selfies

And it's not just selfies, but naked selfies. It's almost anniversary of the fappening so I was just thinking about it. It was real strange to realize that almost all of these celebrity women had many dozens of naked selfies on their phones.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dang - if they were naked selfies I'd be all over it. Quick, more camera sticks!!!

[–]gaou_ 5 points5 points [recovered]

Hey thanks for taking the time to write this , i live in Greece and you are spot on . Can you please take some time to explain this to me :

Women's Interest In Men * Almost non-existent. I myself am a pretty good looking bloke but the streets here are literally teaming with handsome men and boys. Many of them are well dressed (especially the Europeans - sorry). A pretty good percentage of men seem to hit the gym regularly - they are in great shape and take care of themselves. And most of them are being completely ignored by the women around them. When I see a good looking fellow I often observe the women around him to gauge the level of interest. They don't look around and they don't care - unless you're clearly in the 9 - 10 range you are simply background noise to them - you don't exist. Breaching the bitch shield has become a basic skill if you want to have any opportunity whatsoever. You could be Brat Pitt rolling down the road in a Ferrari and I bet you most gals wouldn't even care or notice (alright - I'm exaggerating but you get the point). The SMV required to trigger passive attention (meaning girls noticing you without you taking action) is extremely high - again, unless you are a solid 9 or 10 you will have to work hard. A shy young man with an SMV at or below 7 may spend his entire youth with barely any female interaction.<

Forget ONS etc the culture is different , but all i can see from girls is apathy ,they just have no interest in finding a man . I guess the economic situation plays a part in it (they are poor and have no interest even in BB for survival), also smartphones and the internet as you said they have become zombies , they live their lives through their phones . Do you have any insight what's the cause of this ?

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Two words - information overload. It takes only a few days online for a young gal to wise up and realize that her pussy is considered the golden ticket over here in the West. Put yourself in their shoes - wherever you go you sense the thirst and you can't help but trip over well built handsome dudes willing to do jump your bones. Let alone all the other suckers (7s and 6s and below) who are all to happy to do your bidding for mere scraps of attention. We dudes may complain about this till the cows come home but if the rules were reversed we'd probably act like a bunch of spoiled cunts as well.

The problem is that the collective hands of Western men are tied - we are completely fucked in this social climate. Read IllimitableMan's write up above - he pretty much spells it out (he also runs a kick ass blog which I read regularly).

[–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the cause of it is exactly what you say. They're buried in their smartphones. While they are doing that, they are not getting seduced by you, Chad or anyone else. They are simply not fucking.

One seduces a girl by getting her vagina to send alarm signals to override her everyday brain. If that brain is so busy the vagina can't get a word in, she won't end up in bed and the poor vagina will be neglected.

[–]whisky1111 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Nobody should be surprised by this outcome. Women have been told for decades "you don't need a man." At some point it was bound to sink into the collective consciousness of women.

Then men assisted in making themselves obsolete.

Well here we are, we are for the most part obsolete and we aren't happy about it.

We have given them total solipsism complete with their own little digital networks.

Why should we be shocked that they don't reciprocate physical touches from the men they are with? Their first loves are themselves, their phones, all else is just a nuisance to meet some temporary end.

And even the older ones that are not glued to their phones are so filled with years of feminist programming that there is nothing soft or feminine about them anymore.

And you know what?

I hope they get worse! Why?

Because the more toxic women get the more men wake up to the fact that modern women generally add zero value to their lives.

Long live the red pill!

[–]Squeezymypenisy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Redpillage? Can you send me a pm? Interesting points. Personally I have found latin men and southern european men to be full of betas and the macho crap just makes it worse. They hide behind it, but are still pussies underneath and place too much importance on what women think of them.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 6 points7 points  (1 child)

What motive do women have to show in men except for maybe the top 5% or less? Even a soft 7 can go out and have sex with a guy who is close to a 9 if she tried for long enough. Having sex with another 7 or an 8 is effortless. So why do women have to show interest, social media has accelerated the CC.

Worse case scenario for a woman riding the CC is that she gets pregnant, she goes on welfare and survives. More often than that, they child support rape the men. About as often they will rush to find a Beta Orbiter , fuck him once then claim that it is his child.

There are literally no consequences to being a modern, western woman slut.

Very good observations and very well written.

On EE women

Eastern Europeans * What can I say, the women immediately stand out as they are hot as hell. Mobile devices are now ubiquitous among EE women I am sorry to say. Quite notable however is that the women in almost all cases are a lot more attractive than their hubbies/boyfriends. It's the complete opposite of what I'm seeing among Western European couples. Quite often you will see a small chap who looks like money but would not raise a single eyelash in the U.S. with a drop dead gorgeous skinny gal that most of you guys would rate at least an 8 or 9.

My theory behind this is EE women still see a lot more/suffer from a lot more/remember a lot more "lack". Like people in America after the Great Depression; the "post Soviet" era has made an impression on a whole generation of EE men and women. If a 8 or 9 EE woman can lock down a man who will support her for life so long as she is sort of a good wife, she will. Fail to support her, AWALT, but keep the cash flowing and the comfort coming and you are in like flint.

That does not apply to EE women in the west though. As Eddie Murphy said you gotta keep "bush bitch" locked away.

[–]scarletspider3 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's sad but you are right that men are so under valued in society these days. The only way for a man to have anything that even resembles a healthy relationship with a woman is to go way below his SMV.

[–]bluedrygrass 8 points9 points  (2 children)

"Dominant/Leading Behavior Among Women * This actually inspired me to write this post as it stood out, and once I started looking for signs of this behavior I began to see it everywhere. Not only are women acting increasingly dominant - a large percentage of men now seem to be relegated to following them around like little pet dogs. I am seeing many women holding a map and/or a mobile phone whilst storming ahead of their blue pill floor-mats - not even wasting a glance back to see if he's tagging along. Men are rarely consulted on where to go or are being ignored. Quite a few times I have seen women snap the map out of their hubbies/boyfriend's hand. Conversations seem to revolve between the women in the group with the men standing by passively. If men are participating then it's mostly to supplicate or attempting to impress the girl. Men are the ones paying for meals/drinks about 90% of the time and quite often the women waits at the table (pecking at her mobile) while her male slave is procuring drinks and snacks. It's a truly sad state of affairs to see such a dramatic shift in social behavior as this is not something I observed let's say 10 or 20 years ago."

Disgusting. Absolutely repulsive, and yes it's noticeable anywhere.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of this picture posted here not so long ago of some buttergolem "leading the way". We all know that what we're all really seeing here are the first rumblings of an extinction event.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a relief - I thought I may just have the luck of the draw seeing this...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I have also noticed an increase in men who are treated more like puppies than partners. Also an increasing amount of men pushing push-chairs while their wife/girlfriend pegs away at her phone.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup, dudes acting like pack animals. Which I think they are in the minds of their wives/girlfriends.

[–]BlueFreedom420 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women's Interest In Men

This is Europe. Where the government is the man. Why should a woman even look for a man? She can have an out of wedlock baby and the massive welfare state to take care of her. Women don't really have a libido, their sexual attraction is based purely on someone to validate or worship or give them a baby so they can be validated and worshiped.

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[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Gender demographics at birth are about 107/100 men to women but back in the old days this equaled out due to war and work related deaths/injuries. Now almost everyone lives past 40 and even small shifts in gender demographics can greatly affect relationship dynamics. Compare NYC with L.A. for instance - so much easier to bang girls in NYC where the ratio is near par or below (in favor of men). If you find a country with an inverse ratio (i.e. more women than men) and it's livable then go there! It'll be like taking candy from babies.

[–]mugatucrazypills 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Please stop spreading the idea that Asian Women are magic fetishized unicorns that will not rape you blind. Lots of whites are avoiding the shallow white dating pool. Does not mean the Asian pool is free of sharks.

[–]Avedas 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There's one trend that's slightly upsetting this. The Asian woman. Whites are quickly abandoning the white woman for the Asian woman and avoiding almost all the issues posted in this thread.

I'm currently living in Japan. AWALT, don't forget that. And the white expats with Japanese wives here just picked up spinsters who couldn't pull anything in their own society. SMV holds as true as anywhere else.

[–]1sardinemanR 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Women are as interested in "fit" young poor men about as much as men are interested in "well educated high earning" fat old women.

To women, 80% of men are just ugly. And the remaining 20%? Probably most of them are just tolerable.

But throw out your job title or give off the the impression of power and status, and yes wealth is a major component of that, and women are all over that guy and get wet just being near him. Those 5'5 short bald dudes are probably high status. Complaining about that is the male equivalent of hamstering.

AF and BB gets way overplayed on here, because again its male hamstering. The power brokers of this world are mostly fat and ugly men, and they are sleeping with much higher quality women that most men on here just jack off to and don't have a shot in hell of ever approaching, no matter how much they lift and how often they can say 'I'm 6'2 alpha."

Don't complain about it. Instead improve your status and don't worry about it. When you are high status yourself you don't have to bitch and whine about other dudes pulling hotter tail than you. Because you are one of the guys slaying and it just doesn't get on your radar.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Women are as interested in "fit" young poor men about as much as men are interested in "well educated high earning" fat old women.

That is pure gold - exactly. With ~50% youth employment across the Mediterranean the coasts are chock full of good looking athletic but broke young men. Especially the young girls don't even bat their eyes from what I've seen. So yeah, get your ass into shape and all, but it's not what's going to land you the poon. Investment in a $1000 suit and a $5000 watch may do the trick.

[–]ChanThunderwang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AF and BB gets way overplayed on here

The thing is that women can not tell the difference why a man gives her tingles.

If she is 20 yo and dates "AF", she really thinks that this guy is hot.

If she is 30 yo and dates "BB", she really thinks that this guy is hot.

Of course we can tell why she is attracted to which guy. But a woman does not think this way. She just sees a mediocre older guy in a suit and thinks "What a man!!!".

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

of course. women don't need men because women can just get knocked up by her favorite chad and raise the baby on her own. on the other hand, 99% of guys who aren't chad, will die without having kids.

the result is that fewer and fewer guys have more and more of the sex. so most women are still doing fine, but most guys aren't.

This is the result when for thousands of years, marriage is about the girl giving sex and babies, and the guy having a job. But the guy gave the job market over to women, and now the women aren't giving the "babies" so to speak. The result is a large power differential.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Also back in the days Tim may have simply killed good looking Chad for banging his girlfriend (or love interest). Not that I'm supporting violence or murder - quite on the contrary. But duels were a widespread practice not too long ago and settled quite a many broken hearts/egos. Either way they reduced the gene pool of men - I hate to say it but there's simply too many of us. Memo to everyone: have more daughters! An increase of 3% - 5% in female births alone would arrest feminism in one generation.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

nah, feminism would just be like "there aren't enough men for us, and it's men's fault. this is patriarchy"

[–]DodgedAFew 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you are that guy then please go online and learn about the countless unnamed men in history who died in trenches or blood soaked fields defending their country or their family.

I don't see the connection. Is self-sacrifice RP?

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know you're trying to be sarcastic but this is actually a good question. I guess it depends on the sacrifice and the person. Not a debate befitting of this thread. But my point was that the character of the average contemporary has shifted from sacrifice and personal accomplishment toward self entitlement and narcissism.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So basically, if you want to travel, considern eastern Europe and latin America as your best bets.

[–]TheSliceman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great post bro, keep em coming!

[–]Redasshole 4 points5 points  (2 children)

(sorry it had to be said)

Do me a favor and remove that "sorry" from your post. Seriously.

Make no mistake guys - despite the red pill it seems that fat acceptance is on the rise.

Have you seen that "Spy" movie lately? The main character is an obese woman. I almost threw up in the theater. And in the end, she fucks the super hot guy and, of course, she express how much SHE is disgusted that she fucked the guy because she deserves so much better....Fuck that film. Go see it to see how people are repgrogrammed to accept OBESE women as normal and even encouraged.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I hear ya mate - but the audiences seem to be eating it up.... many of them being men (or young boys).

[–]Redasshole 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not concerned about men/boys as much as I am concerned about women: they are being taught that even if they are disgustingly obese, they will have whatever they dream of. They are going to become unhealthy. Weak and unhealthy mothers raises weak children, thus weakening the country.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Spot on. I am a Southern but I work with a lot of Eastern European and I can confirm everything. Maybe you do not know an important facet of their culture: Slav women are aggressive. While most Slavs are calm and reasonable (but more than capable of tearing you in two if angered), Slav women tend to suffer from berserker rage!

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Never experienced that I'm happy to say. Thanks for the warning!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Working in an UK factory gives you insight about the Slavic mind. I've seen a lot of Polish female team leaders and supervisors keeping the workers on a tight leash and intimidating Muslim workers twice their size. Impressive!

[–]mugatucrazypills 1 point2 points  (0 children)

always glad to see muslims intimidated ... send rosa the lesbian over to whip them into line.

[–]Mitchell78 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Your observations are spot on with what i have experienced.

[–]John_E_Vegas 1 point2 points  (2 children)

A lot of good observations, OP, and agree with most of it, but I must confess that your love of European fashion, especially espadrilles, shook my confidence just a bit.

Also:

Dominant/Leading Behavior Among Women...It's a truly sad state of affairs to see such a dramatic shift in social behavior as this is not something I observed let's say 10 or 20 years ago.

This is nothing new. It manifests itself a bit differently these days, but I can direct you to countless examples from 20 years ago that expose the same behavior - including country music songs about it.

All in all, these observations indicate an alarming trend and we RPers must continue to hold the line. But I'm going to do it wearing shoes that aren't espadrilles.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOL - got it - I guess you have to be European or something to wear them and not come across feminine. Personally I think they are horrible shoe wear - flat and uncomfortable with little padding and support.

[–]Soob4ME 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn, that was a shit ton of truth I just read.

[–]RPJapan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I just got back from Vietnam and I was noticing this same shit when I saw westerners. Why are there good looking men with short hair hamplanets dragging them like dogs, when there are plenty of beautiful Vietnamese women for the taking. I'm average looks and I went there with 10 condoms and returned with 2.

[–]Limekill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Men Dating < Their SMV * Here it appears European men in particular are among the worst offenders. You may in your own life have come across the occasional 'odd couple' - in that the girl is smoking hot and you wonder what the hell she's doing with that 5'5'' bald creep in tennis shoes (my apologies in advance to all you small guys who happen to be bald and love tennis shoes). But I am noticing the inverse with increasing regularity now - athletic good looking tall and well dressed men who would be simply killing it in the U.S. are accompanies by women at least 2 or 3 notches below their own SMV. We are talking guys who may be accepted by model agencies pairing up with a 5 or 6. If she's not outright ugly then at minimum she's at least 15 pounds too heavy. I'm not saying they are dating ugly girls but clearly they could do a lot better if they had any game whatsoever. Make no mistake guys - despite the red pill it seems that fat acceptance is on the rise. The feministas are either succeeding in rendering obesity socially acceptable/desirable or men are settling lower out of sheer desperation. The thirst is real and I have seen guys who are far better looking than me (taller, more symmetrical faces, better dressed, bigger, etc.) with women I would not even touch with a ten foot pole being shitfaced.

Fuck, you see this in Sydney ALL the time. Every guy who I look at and think wow, he looks good (no homo), he is with a good awful looking woman. And I am like... "damn, really?"

There are now no standards. Men are not just pussy whipped they are pussy dominated...

Our forefathers who died in the great wars would be turning in their graves. And I don't make that statement lightly.

[–]Argocap 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Just spent a week in Eastern Europe and am now in Northern Europe. Have seen the phenomenon where women are leading around men everywhere. Sticks out and looks really bad.

[–]triperfecta 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Fucking. Selfie. Sticks.

It used to be that you'd take a picture of a beautiful / interesting thing for it's inherent value. Now it has no value unless one can prove one's presence via inserting oneself. Attention used to be focussed outward, now it's focussed, not inward, but AT oneself.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

iercings And Tattoos Are Epidemic * It seems this trend goes in tandem with mobile phone immersion. Almost anyone in their twenties now dons some type of tattoo - it's evenly split between the sexes. As a matter of fact it's become extremely rare to come across a good looking women who has not branded her body one way or the other for posterity - and I'm not talking about earrings here. I think tattoo removal services are going to be a booming growth industry in the coming decade (or at least one would hope). As a side note - many Mediterranean men and young boys now don a tattoo on at least one of their shaved calves. I personally find it a bit effeminate but suspect many of you will disagree.

This is where the preachers of the day always lose me. Tattoos are in no way disturbing. You're showing your conservative emotional tendencies.

[–]Boise13 4 points4 points [recovered]

"I'm sad to admit this but it seems clear to me that men are 'losing the war'."

I think this is a good thing. It might actually reverse this horrific future we are creating for ourselves through over consumption and over population. I'm like you in that i am actually a pretty good looking guy, but I gave up giving a shit about women and am single without kids. I just don't put up with this "climate" (so to speak) anymore. Its a bullshit society driven by bullshit female paradigm. Im not playing this game that has me as a servant or the loser at the end of it. Im not "alpha" as fuck (too intellectual for that) so I am therefore a servant. I just cant cater to womens every single emotion and egotistical outburst anymore and I secretly am ashamed of men who do.

[–]unmeilleurmoi 5 points6 points  (3 children)

This reads like some American from shitsville USA discovered city life but only in Europe. I've been to 47 countries in the past 8 years and I live in a major American city. The differences are not really as major as outlined here. Every country has their cities and their areas. You're just not finding them everywhere.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I grew up in six countries and have visited over a dozen, including having spent several years in the U.S. - I speak four languages fluently. So take your assumptions and stick them where the sun don't shine.

[–]i_forget_my_userids 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I couldn't agree more. I was trying to figure out how this guy managed choking on Europe's dick so hard while shitting on it at the same time.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children)

I agree with most of the points, but you sound like a sad old man with regard to the tattoos and piercings.

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I take it you have tats? Look back at the hairstyles of the 1960s and 1970s - do you think they're silly? Thing is - in the 80s the same guys were able to cut their manes, burn their yellow suits, and join a hedge fund or start a software company. All these people with tats however are marked for life - unless they spend quite a bit of effort/time removing them, and often it leaves scars.

I know - it's easy to shoot the messenger and call me everything from old to sad. But let me assure you that many 'grown up' men I have met in my life - meaning bankers, doctors, fund managers, lawyers, scientists, engineers, etc - would probably screw a gal with tats but definitely not marry her or have children with her. This view becomes more entrenched the higher you climb in the social order. The same people would also not hire a guy who's covered in tats - it's reeks of low IQ, personality problems such as self esteem issues, and if nothing else suggests that the candidate has zero talent for long term planning.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

This was perfect for r/IAmVerySmart.

[–]Words-Are-Wind 1 point2 points  (3 children)

How? He isn't using any big syllable words, or talking about crazy theories or ideologies that are hard to understand. He's just stating truth. If you think you're going to be hired for any higher up position in which you have to deal with customers or other businesses while covered in tats, piercings, or gauges, it is just wishful thinking. Even if you are more qualified, sometimes its about image, and blending in with the "corporate culture".

I'm not saying this is how it should be, I'm just stating how it is. The way most corporations work is to weed out poor fits first. So if you aren't making it to the third round of interviews, it's not that you are lacking in knowledge or ability, it's that you are not seen as the right person for the company. If you make it to third round interviews, then you know they like you as a person and see you as a viable candidate, and as long as you can impress them with your knowledge and abilities on that third interview, then you are in.

If what he said, or I said for that matter, seems anything more than what an average mind is capable of conjuring up, then I feel really bad for you.

[–]dabrah1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Very well written and informative post. The only part I disagree on you with is the "tattoo epidemic". Admittedly, there are way too many wannabe tough guys donning tribal armbands, or death before dishonor written on their backs. There are also too many girls with stupid butterfly tattoos. But as long as someone has a tattoo that is well done, and actually means something to them, I don't see a problem with them. I don't think its really an indicator of the downfall of men or society, or that it neccessarily has a large effect on SMV, positively or negatively. Actually a lot of tattoos I see are very well done and fun to look at, and a great way to start a conversation with someone, guy or girl.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I've been living in Spain for the last year and what you say sounds mostly true and accurate.

...an that's ok. MGTOW is only going to grow.

[–]LuvBeer 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Unmitigated narcissism...

Having cool pics is expected nowadays. Most pictures don't come out cool so you have to take lots of them to get one or two that do. I don't think overly highly of myself and never post to fb, but cool pics work in getting attention more than words ever can.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

It's the 'Hate on selfie stick' circle jerk, like seriously what does people dying in trenches have to do with my freedom to use one for a nice picture.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How many times are you going to say 'don'

[–]redpillagedotcom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't thought about it but I do seem to enjoy the word.

[–]bobawet 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've noticed the same just in my so cal community. It's seems to me that guys are killing it, at the gym and at work. Makes me proud to be one most of the time, what doesn't make me proud is said guys settling for some lazy cunt that treats them like shit and is 15-20 lbs overweight.

[–]Profdiddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can confirm was in Italy for two weeks and observed similar. However, EE alphaness was a front as the wives came out later and cuckolded their husbands at the clubs with me.

[–]blahblah2814 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a very nice detailed post.

[–]ComplainyGuy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Men can date below their smv. There are some reasons that redpill/alpha men BENEFIT from dating below their smv if done right.

[–]1RXRob 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Englishman who's never left Europe here. Very well written review of our historic continent.

There's far too much in your post to reply to on my phone, but I had to laugh because I have a calf tattoo and shaved legs. Is that really just a European thing?

The two things that I've taken away are that it sounds like I need a holiday to America to mop up some pussy, and I should get shares in tattoo removal.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I need a holiday to America to mop up some pussy

Don't hold your breath. Like the OP pointed out, obesity is a huge problem in this country.

[–]frys180 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How can you tell when the women/men are East, West, North, and Southern European? What are the features you look for and how do you do it?

Edit: I meant to say how.

[–]wheyapartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"again amplifying over bloated egos and the perception of their SMV"

lol. That reminds me of the episode of southpark where one girl uses photoshop to look hot on facebook

[–]GrandmasterHurricane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want to wear gladiator sandals with your cute booty shorts, that's on you dude. I'm not about to wear open toe sandals in the name of fashion. If trends is where you learn how to dress then that's you, I'll stick to wearing sneakers.

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