Red Pill ExampleGuy finds out that his girlfriend settled for him because Chad wouldn't commit to her, gets RP advice from his (female) cousin, decides to kick his girlfriend to the curb. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner

Summary: Guy in relationships subreddit finds his girlfriend's social media account, learns that she was one of Chad's plates but he wouldn't commit to her so she settled for OP instead. So he goes to his older female cousin for advice and she drops RP truths on him. He then decides to dump his girlfriend.

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Every once in a while in the relationships subreddit, you find a thread where somebody starts to awaken to Red Pill truths. This is one of those.

My girlfriend and I have been together since January 2013. Overall we have a pretty happy relationship. We recently moved in to my apartment 4 months ago, we split the rent.

So a couple days ago my cousin wanted to see pictures of my me and my girlfriend. I don’t have an Instagram so I was googling her username to find a link to her profile. I ended up seeing that she was a member on a website (not mentioning what). I got curious and started reading through the posts and that’s where I found out a ton of things, some relating to sex, some relating to stuff about her mom.

To give you the gist of it, before she met me there was this guy that she was seeing she was bragging about how she confirmed that tall guys are “proportional”. She said they had crazy sex, couldn’t get enough, lost track of orgasms and how she was hooked, and she really wanted to date this guy but he didn’t want anything serious.

It's a story we've all heard many times. Guy digs into his girlfriend's past, and finds out that she used to get deep-dicked on a regular basis by a tall, jacked alpha. She wanted him as her boyfriend, but she was never anything more than a fuck buddy to him.

And lo and behold I come in. While we were dating I asked her to be my girlfriend (she told me she needed time because she takes commitment seriously),she actually gave this other guy an ultimatum that if he didn’t date her, she would leave me for him. Guy turned her down and then she starts seeing me, so yeah I was my girlfriend’s second choice. Oh and she wanted advice on how to do anal with his big dick, however when I have slightly brought it up she tells me that her butt is exit only.

Rollo's essay "Saving the Best" covered this very well. A woman will allow an alpha to have dirty, pornstar-style sex with her because she wants to keep him interested (and because he gives her 'gina tingles). With a beta, however, sex becomes a chore or a reward for good behavior.

Now we are here. Reading this stuff made me absolutely sick. I love her so much and to be reading this shit, just ruins me. When we started dating I legitimately thought this was my girl, all the while she was hoping that the other guy would date her. I haven’t talked to her about this yet since I honestly have no idea how I can have this conversation while holding it together. I feel so stupid. Please r.relationships what do I do next.

Ah yes, the sickening realization that you were not her first choice. This feeling has driven many men to discover the Red Pill.

The next post is an update to the situation.

I ended up reaching out to my older cousin, she is like a relationship guru among my friends. I told her the situation she was familiar with this because she knew of women in similar situation.

She described guys like cars, some are safe and reliable, some are fast and fun. My girlfriend found a car that she couldn't afford, (the other guy was out of her league), she got to test-drive with him but couldn't keep him. So then she got with me, a good car, but not the flashy/fast one, while I get the job done as in, I am not nearly as fun as the other car. And as a result, she really won't appreciated me. Just like a guy who used to drive Mustangs(fast sports car) when he was younger, isn't going to be thrilled about a minivan. Sure he will drive it around for years, maybe the for the rest of his life, but the appeal won't be the same.

It made a lot of sense to me and I thanked my cousin for it. She told me that my girlfriend did nothing wrong and she isn't a bad person, however its not really in my best interest to stay.

As the old saying goes "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear." This guy's cousin possesses more honesty and self-awareness than the vast majority of women. She basically told him that some men are alphas, and some men are betas, and he just doesn't excite her as much as her alpha ex. Most women would give him bullshit advice like "You shouldn't judge her because of her past" or "The only thing that matters is that she's with you now."

I talked to my girlfriend about it, I told her about the username thing and that I read what she wrote and that I don't see myself with her. She cried a lot, and begged me to stay and reconsider. I told her that I want to find a girl that finds me as exciting as she found the other dude. She told me that she had a deeper love for me, than the other dude. I told her that while I want that deep love, I want that excitement and energy too. It was sad to break up with her, and I wish her the best.

By listening to his cousin's advice and doing the hard thing, this guy is taking his first steps towards alpha-ness. A lot of men would have decided that they could "live with it" and would have stayed with her until she found another alpha to start fucking. And of course his girlfriend cried; she's approaching the wall (she's 28 years old) and she just lost her beta provider.

Of course, the comments section has several women and white knights telling him that he made a mistake by dumping her. But some of the most upvoted comments are ones telling him that he did the right thing and he deserves better than being somebody's backup plan.

EDIT: Now with archived link.

[–]Redpillthriller 302 points303 points  (109 children)

The Internet never forgets.

How can any guy date an alpha widow. Buy her gifts, buy a house together, have children. Knowing all it takes is one "hey how u doin" text from Chad and she'd be on his cock.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 185 points186 points  (51 children)

There was an AskReddit thread recently where a man's wife got messaged on Facebook by the guy she had a crush on while she was in high school. All it took was a single chat conversation via Facebook and she left her husband so she could fuck the guy.

[–]Bushranger00 85 points85 points [recovered]

Can confirm, have had numerous girls message me out of the blue on Facebook who I used to see, all who are now married. It would of been fish in a barrel had I replied, I checked out their profile and saw wedding photos and confirmed the husband is an overweight beta and just blocked them with no response.

Naturally the older I get the more frequently that it happens (29), so these women have all jumped the gun too soon and settled and it's taken a year or so to get bored with their provider beta.

[–]alesbianseagull 74 points75 points  (33 children)

You're a GGG for blocking them

[–]Vigilo_Infinite 57 points58 points  (24 children)

That definitely satisfies the masculine desire to be honourable. In reality I look back at the girls who threw themselves at me when they had a boyfriend and regret not having fun with them because their relationship wasn't my responsibility.

If it's not you, it will be another guy. You can't turn a whore into a housewife.

[–]Bushranger00 22 points22 points [recovered]

In no way was I attempting to hold myself in some position of honour, protecting their husbands. Merely from a sporting position, you wouldn't get the same out of a hunt if your buck had already been shot and wounded by someone else.

[–]Brave_Horatius 19 points20 points  (3 children)

To bend the analogy to its limits: Park rangers are very careful to task down and kill wounded animals, because it's simple mercy and they can also act wildly and cause harm To the herd. It just had to be done.

TIL banging married chicks is a service to society.

[–]LeFlamel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Shoving people out of the matrix one thrust at a time.

[–]breakingmad1 26 points27 points  (14 children)

Such retard logic, so what if someone else does it, some people don't want to do that shit. There are more than enough single girls out there

[–]Vigilo_Infinite 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fair comment. I was thinking more from the position that now, 5 years on, I would be left with a fun memory. One thing I learned from (PUA) Zan Perrion is:

"Pursue actions that will give the best experience and memories. It'a all you will have in the end."

The girl I'm talking about cheated on her BF repeatedly back then. They're now engaged to me married.

I didn't fuck her out of some misplaced desire that I was "doing the right thing" and "being honourable", for all it matters now (spoilers, it doesn't.)

[–]ThePedanticF0x 12 points13 points  (4 children)

It is the responsibility of those in monogamous relationships to uphold the bonds of the monogamy they themselves agreed to honour, single people are not responsible for the honouring the agreements other people have with their significant other.

The choice is of course yours, I've done the honourable thing and I've been made to look like the bad guy every time for "doing the right thing" when the SO's of friends and family threw themselves at me. I may as well have fucked them, today I wish I had because I'd be the bad guy either way.

It doesn't pay to be the good guy.

[–]mugatucrazypills 6 points7 points  (2 children)

female sexuality doesn't allow for honor

[–]sunwukong155 19 points20 points  (3 children)

If you are a man who finds satisfaction in being honorable, all power to you! But we can't shame men who don't act honorably.

It's my personal opinion that men ought to be honorable, and that our lack of a moral code is why women have gone out of control. Sluts need shaming and single moms aren't brave. So long as men exploit degenerate behavior rather than shame it... We will have discord.

That's how I see it, but this sub doesn't allow shaming men who exploit degenerate women.

[–]Meglomaniac 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It is also not our responsibility to uphold their responsibilities. We are not the ones that agreed to be monogamous. Why should I feel bad that she is being a cheating whore.

[–]Nimitz87 1 point2 points  (1 child)

as someone who is about to sleep with a married woman, this is how I feel.

I'm not married, or in any relationship she approached me this is all on her.

do I feel sorry for her husband?

I guess I do, but it isn't me that's the problem she'll cheat on him with someone else.

[–]Nebulose11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How is it retard logic? Going against your completely fucked up sense of morality that your education gamed you into, sure, but not retarded at all.

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aaaand relevant Dr Dre advice


[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Why? He's just prolonging the inevitable. If anything he's making it worse. Every extra year on the marriage belt is more alimony and more child support that billy beta bucks has to pay.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because there's a higher downside than upside with helping her cheat.

[–]BoatingMishap 11 points11 points [recovered]

Its not your job to mate guard. It's also not your job to pillage. Instead, ask yourself honestly, "is she even worth fucking?" That answer is very different for each kind of guy. Some love the thrill of poaching. Some don't find the trouble worth it for some pussy.

Because while its not your job to mate guard, it is the job of the other guy. And a lot of guys aren't going to see it your way. They're going to blame you, and not their bitch. And (rarely) you get those assholes who decide their best course of action is to get a gun and do something stupid.

Poaching is a fun, but dangerous game, and one I would never do, even if I was single. The stress isn't worth it when you can get cheap, 'guilt free' pussy at the local college campus near you.

[–]mugatucrazypills 7 points8 points  (1 child)

check with legal dept. on campus pussy, might not be as safe as you think

[–]PeregrineFury 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not when they're lying in court and carrying mattresses around trying to ruin someone's life, and facing no repercussions legal or otherwise for any of it.

[–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My buddy has a really successful company... But never ever uses his FB for things other than just checking in on friends and shit. Well, when he was raising more funding, his hot GF convinced that he needed to update his FB so other's can find him and get to know about him more personally.

Soon as he put the job title update to CEO of Whatever, and "In Relationship" with HB8.5, all of a sudden he was getting messaged every other day by old friends.

[–]Mature_Student 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I get the friend request usually within a month of the divorce. I have no intention of being a beta-provider.

[–]Username-_-2015 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I can confirm as well a bitch texted me at out of the blue. The bitch is getting married in a couple days, the fuck she is texting me for. I didn't respond to her text I just deleted it, unlike other guys on here i don't intertain bitches for any reason.

[–]ILoveSunflowers 24 points25 points  (1 child)

cuz it's not cheating if it's before the wedding or something equally obnoxious from the hamster

[–]Username-_-2015 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah I mean the conversation could of either gone to ways

  1. She wants to brag about her engagement
  2. She wants to have casual sex

For me though it's just not worth it, it's just drama. I don't understand why other guys engage in that type of situation, to me it's pointless and full of drama as there are other girls out there with less drama. The bitch probably got jealous when she saw me a couple days ago with a HB 9, I think she thinks i probably felt bad and was sulking after her. Imagine her hamster when she saw me with a girl better than her. She probably wants to make me feel like shit, women are so petty.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 19 points20 points  (0 children)

She's locked down the beta bucks and she's longing for the alpha fucks.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 38 points39 points  (4 children)

The Internet never forgets.

I've written many dissertations on this very subject. Women will become the ultimate undoing of their own sexual strategy:

  • Women are trying to consolidate on Alpha Fux Beta Bux. That consolidation depends on the Beta Bux never finding out he's Beta Bux.
  • Women's constant need for validation means they can't help themselves when it comes to broadcasting their (sexual) lives on FaceBook, Instagram, SnapChat, Twitter, Flickr, Tumblr, and countless other places.
  • This constant hardline of validation-heroin means that their pasts never go away, and at any time in the future, be it 6 months or 6 years, their future Beta Bux may discover her slutty past, kick her to the curb, and ruin her AF/BB strategy.

This is why we are slowly but surely seeing "advice" in places like r-relationships sway from "her past is the past" and "doesn't matter she's with you now" to "dump her bro, she sees you as a chump". Even as recently as two years ago, a man like this would have been shamed for dumping a girl over this, where as now he is mostly applauded.

Women see their game being unraveled right before their very eyes, and it's terrifying to them. The internet never forgets, indeed.

Knowing all it takes is one "hey how u doin" text from Chad and she'd be on his cock.

Actually, he probably wouldn't need much beyond "hey".

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[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it really is that simple. if you're not her new alpha and you leaving will make her a widow, you're the bb and you should just leave if you have any self respect.

[–]js27195 1 point2 points  (2 children)

How do you know if you're chad or not though... seriously?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (30 children)

Correct. That's why if you want to be like Chad you need to make her your Alpha widow when ending things; best way is to terminate via text or email, brief, efficient, no meeting, no talking.

There was a thread about this last week.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 7 points8 points  (5 children)

What was the thread name? Think I missed that one.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

/u/RedPope wrote it...you should be able to find it in his history.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks a lot I'll take a look.

[–]RobertCarraway 6 points7 points  (22 children)

What the FUCK? I understand this is an evolutionary arms race, and that we are all adapting to external realities, but this is bullshit. Sure, lets just RUIN all women as fast as possible.

We need to start controlling women again. All this "enjoy the decline" and "speed up the process" bullshit is just an excuse to be depraved. If you proposefully exaggerate a breakup to make an Alpha widow you are shitting in our collective bed.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Interesting point. RUIN? Uhm... not sure if I agree with that.

When I was an AFC/BB/Nice Guy I was always trying to improve them, make them understand and other crap like that, it never worked.

Now I know better. Everyone, we all are the way we are, some of us improve ourselves, some don't really want to. Once I decide to terminate a relationship, any relationship be it a gf, plate, fwb, fb, whatever it's over. Done. There's no closure, there's no talking. Nothing good ever comes out of it, not for me, not for anyone else.

And yet, having a choice between being the Alpha with Alpha widows out there, and being the ex who gave them closure dy exercising the hamster into a fight where I am the bad guy and they are the martyrs, I choose the former.

And I am always on the alert for Alpha widows out there, I want nothing to do with them.

[–]mugatucrazypills 1 point2 points  (4 children)

any time I pay for shit ... I don't get pussy AF/BB

when she pays I get to hit it.

you think some of this positive reinforcement would train me through my thick skull eventually

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You, like me, were brainwashed to be BB for decades. We're now on the right path.

You're at level 2 of The four stages of competence:

1. Unconscious incompetence

The individual does not understand or know how to do something and does not necessarily recognize the deficit. They may deny the usefulness of the skill. The individual must recognize their own incompetence, and the value of the new skill, before moving on to the next stage. The length of time an individual spends in this stage depends on the strength of the stimulus to learn.

2. Conscious incompetence

Though the individual does not understand or know how to do something, he or she does recognize the deficit, as well as the value of a new skill in addressing the deficit. The making of mistakes can be integral to the learning process at this stage.

3. Conscious competence

The individual understands or knows how to do something. However, demonstrating the skill or knowledge requires concentration. It may be broken down into steps, and there is heavy conscious involvement in executing the new skill.

4. Unconscious competence

The individual has had so much practice with a skill that it has become "second nature" and can be performed easily. As a result, the skill can be performed while executing another task. The individual may be able to teach it to others, depending upon how and when it was learned.

[–]ScoobyGang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't agree, this is an oversimplification of the issue of paying. Ive paid and hit and I've paid and not. Your ability to bankroll her has everything to do with your role as her provider and nothing to do with your ability to get into a situation to slam her. The thing is, it's not that clear-cut, and it would take an extended discussion to get at the heart of this, but the bottom-line is that paying for food has so little impact compared to all the other alpha traits that will consolidate her tingles that it won't even tip the scales against your favor. What I'm trying to say is being overtly vigilant and paranoid about every movement is not frame. Of course, note I don't mean pay for her every thing. I mean paying for her meal on a date is not going to fuck up your sexual strategy unless it was already on faulty footing to begin with.

[–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 6 points7 points  (1 child)

We need to start controlling women again.

Again? Men never controlled women. Feminists like you to think that, but that's never really been the case. Even back when women didn't have the right to vote, there was a reason political campaigns spent VAST amounts targeting specifically women... Because they knew women could influence their husbands.

All throughout history, women have learned to navigate and attain power in life through social means. It's reflected today by how subtly powerful they are at getting what they want by influencing men while maintaining plausible deniability.

Even in more less developed cultures in places like Africa, you still see the same thing. The men go out and toil, work, and build things, while the women control the money of the household and set expectations.

The whole idea that in previous times, like the 50s that men controlled women, is just propaganda and extreme cases that stand out -- after all, normal relationships are more like white noise in history.

The whole idea that men would be demanding and abusive towards women is just a myth highlighting expceptional cases. During the time, many men had severe PTSD from the wars, as well as sociopaths were given a lot more opportunity to get around the law. But by and large, all throughout history, men and women relationships were highly balanced and equal partnerships in which both parties benefited from.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 7 points8 points  (10 children)

I understand this is an evolutionary arms race

We need to start

Nope, nope and no. Part of understanding an evolutionary arms race is that you don't get to turn the clock back. You start trying to control anything and you'll get attacked like Roosh.

you are shitting in our collective bed.

Since OP didn't do it, what makes you think she isn't going to hop on the dick of some guy who doesn't even know what the internet is?

[–]RobertCarraway 6 points7 points  (9 children)

what makes you think she isn't going to hop on the dick of some guy who doesn't even know what the internet is?

She probably will. That's not the point. The point is that we collectively need constructive solutions. "Enjoying the Decline" is suggested as a solution, but really it's just blind hope and nihilism. The truth is that if we don't fight back and collectively (as a group, not as a society) force women back into submission, then there is no guarantee that we wont produce a long lived bonobo masturbation society. That won't benefit any of us.

Part of understanding an evolutionary arms race is that you don't get to turn the clock back.

Fatalistic nonsense. There is hope, but you would need to incentivize people correctly. Women respond to religion and social pressure much more readily than men. I mean strong religion and strong social pressure, not just bullshit pseudo Christianity. It would take a new religious movement and indoctrination to produce proper women once again in this country. Anything less will fail. I'm an Athiest personally. Religions are just social technologies. A new modern religion - founded by men - which provide social condemnation on par with fundamentalist Islam/Amish/Morman communities is the only way to put the cat of hypergamy back in the bag.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 4 points5 points  (8 children)

"Enjoying the Decline" is suggested as a solution, but really it's just blind hope and nihilism.

The word you're looking for is serenity.

The truth is that if we don't fight back and collectively (as a group, not as a society)

Was looking forward to an educational link on long lived bonobo masturbation society. Link doesn't live up to name, but we will get there anyway. Look at the Japanese herbivore men for further illustration. If you do fight back you personally will be crucified for it or ostracized like Galileo.

BUT by fighting back, wouldn't you be adding legitimacy to madness? It's like holding a mens rights sign at a feminist rally. Look! There's proof an evil menz is here to oppwess us!

I mean strong religion and strong social pressure, not just bullshit pseudo Christianity.

I see your lack of impression with 'feel-good Christianity', but America already has strong religion and strong social pressure called the almighty dollar. Do you think Old Money will stand by and allow you to change that?

A new modern religion - founded by men -

will be run by white knights.

Look man, you're probably in the best position to understand that atheism and sjw'ing are like a hand to a glove. Whatever men will never provide social condemnation for anything, but will be "an all-accepting, anything goes" colostomy bag.

Even stranger what you're referring to as a solution is exactly what fundamentalist middle eastern religion is doing...

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To the men who are reading this that think this is an exaggeration. It is not. All it takes is one text.

[–]Vigilo_Infinite 1 point2 points  (10 children)

I wish that wasn't true.

I always thought this was down to needs not being met - after all if her BF was tall, fun, smart with great boundaries and a healthy dose of dread game like Chad, she wouldn't stray.

Women who shut down desirable male attention that makes them feel like a goddess don't exist, sadly.

[–]Espada18 2 points3 points  (9 children)

What would be considered a healthy dose of dread game?

[–]Vigilo_Infinite 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Good question.

Dread game is giving your girl (that you're either sleeping with, dating or exclusive with/married to) the impression that you are valuable and a wanted resource by other women. The desired effect is that she will want to please you to keep you. Did you know that (scientifically) blowjobs are a mate retention tactic?

You give this impression by simply being attractive, taking care of yourself and being valued by other women. You lift, you're in shape, funny, interesting, can cook, are caring and are overall socially capable with good boundaries. She has to know that you have a circle of resources and she is replaceable.

This is implied by your behaviour, it is a covert tactic.

There are many levels to dread game which I won't go into here but the "healthy dose" I am referring to in this case touches on simply having some female friends, knowing how to subtly flirt (with plausible deniability) and let her keep in mind that you could jump ship if you wanted to.

[–]Mightyskunk 1 point2 points  (2 children)

My wife is well aware of the women at my job who want me, both short term and long term.

[–]Espada18 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Did you game the women, and how did you wife become aware?

[–]Mightyskunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did not game them. She came to my work, and remarked on how the women there treat me with a creepy reverence. I told her it's because they want to fuck me, and she said " I think you think you're making a funny joke, but they do want to fuck you". I told her, yes, I know.

Plus, one in particular has been pretty open about thinking my wife is wrong for me and that she would treat me way better. That girl has been my dread game for like a year. Recently, though, we went on a business trip, and stayed in a hotel together for a few days. We hung out, went to meals, and even slept in the same room. Nothing happened, though, and she's been super pissy with me since. My wife is all sorts of excited about it, and is rewarding me well.

[–][deleted] 133 points134 points  (19 children)

Right, but that's the thing: he's 28 years old. He's NEVER going to be someone's first choice, first love, first anything. Everyone he dates will have had strong, tie-my-life-to-yours, have-dirty-lusty-sex feelings for someone else, because they are not 17 and falling in love for the first time. If you can't deal with your partner having had strong feelings for someone else - even around the time that you were getting to know each other - then you're not mature enough for an adult relationship, period.

Here we have a perspective of a woman who thinks men's SMV reduces as he ages. Women assume men are exactly like them in every way except for obvious biological differences like strength and sex drive. They assume men have the exact same experiences ("if I'm getting tons of sex men must be getting sex too!") and want the exact same thing (to settle down after riding the cock carousel, or in a man's case getting tons of pussy in his 20s). This is why nobody should listen to women for advice, they live in a bubble where they're being taught a false reality and have that constantly reinforced by society.

[–]badgerpossum 33 points34 points  (0 children)

She couldn't be more wrong.

[–]A419a 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Even if she was right about women his age, 16 to 18 is legal dating age. Have fun with alpha widows but save any actual commitment for young women (and even then, don't fucking get married).

[–]alveoli1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah that broads point of view is fucked. All this guy has to do is start lifting, dress better, improve his state of mind and he will be better than 99% of other guys his age.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 32 points33 points  (6 children)

Lack of logic + solipsism + rationalisation hamster + fuck all experience of being a man = why getting advice from women is dumb as fuck.

This article essentially sums up why you don't take advice from women on much of anything, but especially on relationships (their favourite subject:)


[–]SinisterSwindler 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I love and appreciate your work.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I love and appreciate my readers.

[–]NoMoreCuckServative 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Here we have a perspective of a woman who thinks men's SMV reduces as he ages.

She's a member of The Tribe, based on her comment history.

She's stereotypically just wedded her beta boy who will be the typical Chosen husband—you'd be better off taking advice from the devil on relationships.

[–]theDarkAngle 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I dont think that's what she was saying tbh. I read that thread and got the sense that she was saying as a 28 year old man he's probably dating women around the same age, and that all of them have had first loves by that time.

She's still totally wrong in the sense that simply having had a prior relationship is not the issue. Its that OP's relationship was used as leverage to snag Chad, so he's clearly just a consolation prize. That and the fact that she'll do the nasty stuff with Chad and not OP. For some reason women think that isn't important.

[–]truchisoft 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You somehow miss the point that she is purposedly missing the point that being the first choice for someone does not mean being the first ever to fuck her, but to be the best ever to.

I am dating a 37 year old girl that is discovering her sexuality with me, everytime we go out she is grinning the whole time, she cries (of sadness) when I cannot make it a weekend. I am pretty sure I am her first choice of the many she was with before.

[–]1sardinemanR 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Haha that cracks me up.

This reminds me of the time I visited my uncle in the hospital. A couple of my aunts were there and my mom was there too. She started talking about how I was getting older and won't get married, and that no woman would want me because I'll be too old or some nonsense.

My aunt just laughed out loud, it was really funny. She told my mother that men remain young much longer than women. She married my 36 year old uncle when she was 20 herself. So my aunt says I'm right on schedule.

My mother hasn't brought it up since, I think she was ashamed for being laughed at. My aunt wasn't trying to make her look stupid or anything, but I'm pretty sure my mother felt really stupid afterwards.

I of course don't tell my family these things, but my age range has been 19-23. I don't even have to approach, they approach me and start convos. This started happening in my late 20s, while my history through my early 20s was an absolute wasteland.

Women prefer older men. It's hardest when you're a young guy. A man's face and body really doesn't become truly attractive until he ages a bit.

[–][deleted] 164 points165 points  (40 children)

I got banned from that stupid sub when I told the guy who's girlfriend was messaging her personal trainer subtext that he "misconstrued as sexual" but was really "about exercising" that he was being cheated on for sure. Every bitched at me, oh no no his wife should totally be texting a random jacked gym bro double entendres. It's fucking laughable.

[–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 128 points129 points  (19 children)

The thing is they actually believe it's innocent. Women love orbiters and male attention, and often don't even realize they are slowly building an emotional affair with some random guy she's texting. To her, at that moment, she's just having fun and talking to someone exciting. Then before you know it, "Oh... It just all sort of happened!"

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 111 points112 points  (8 children)

Then before you know it, "Oh... It just all sort of happened!"

Or she'll trickle truth it. At first she'll be like "Honey, I got drunk at a party and kissed another man. I'm so sorry!" Then a little later she'll admit that they made out with each other. And then she'll add that he fingered her. Then finally she'll admit that they had sex.

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (1 child)

They just met up for some kisses... Fucking Jenny...

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

What? I know I buy second cellphones and rent hotel rooms to dry hump like a high schooler. I thought that's what we all did? The sanctity of marriage is sacred!

[–]mrrooftops 5 points6 points  (0 children)

booom. its that right there

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[–]jckiker 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Also, the gender gap on those sites can be explained by the fact that women don't need to pay a subscription to find people to sleep with them. They can just walk outside.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Easy way to tell if it's trickle truth? Did she confess, or was she caught? (or threatened by someone if she didn't admit)

Though most guys know, they have to hamster the fuck out of their gut instinct to ignore it.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I kind of doubt that. I think they maintain plausible deniability, but deep down....well yeah they hamster it to the point where they believe it's innocent. All in the effort to be able to deny it if called on it.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Its the hamster. She actually believes they are just friends until her panties drop.

Then its all some guys fault

[–]AquamarineRevenge 13 points13 points [recovered]

This is very, very true. I have lived through exactly what you just wrote. I went through my ex girlfriends phone one day and people I shit you not, she was texting a guy she knew from high school who is in a wheelchair, and he was talking about how she should give him blow jobs and how he was going to beat me up. She would indulge him, never told him to stop, never told me about any of this. I confronted her about this obviously heinous behavior and it was clear that she legitimately believed that there was nothing wrong with what she did, and that I was being jealous. The delusion is real.

[–]scamper_22 4 points5 points  (0 children)

well you are being jealous. I'm pretty sure that's the definition fo jealousy.

"inclined to or troubled by suspicions or fears of rivalry, unfaithfulness, etc., as in love or aims: " http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jealous

But what the hell is wrong with being jealous. This is the biggest game women have played on men. Taking perfectly normal, proportional emotions and responses and shaming men.

If they ever call you jealous, insecure...

[–]2awalt_cupcake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow. This perspective explains why women don't see the effort people put in to get in their pants. From this perspective it's all just fun and gamesTM! Then, woah penetration! How much fun we're having! Wait, what are we?

[–]I_luv_twinks 27 points28 points  (7 children)

I got banned for commenting on that thread too, haha.

I don't remember the specifics other than the update was "well she wasn't cheating" and the only evidence was that she secretly joined a gym and was texting the trainer. Everyone celebrated like it was some great revelation, when in all likelihood the trainer is or will be banging her, or training her to get hot and bang someone else. I mean, she's dating beta Brad, posting to relationships -- only a matter of time.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Lol did you? Gotta control all the discourse.

Yeah everyone was so fucking happy, like it was a happy ending.

And he said "why didn't you tell me about this?"

And she apparently said "oh I didn't know how to explain it to you!"

Yep yep, that's totally why she's texting a jacked dude double entendres behind your back. Oh but she SAYS it's okay, so it must be! It's not like people can say things that aren't true or anything. how these people earn a living in the world is beyond me.

[–]Clockshade 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This story makes me feel sad, sick, and smile all at the same time.

[–]Vigilo_Infinite 14 points15 points  (8 children)

Dude, fuck r/relationships.

People do whatever pulls them toward pleasure or whatever need isn't being met. There is always cause and effect. Why else would these hoes still "just be friends" with their ex's out of anything other than keeping some sort of backup?

[–]Nicholas_ 6 points7 points  (6 children)

"There is always cause and effect. Why else would these hoes still "just be friends" with their ex's out of anything other than keeping some sort of backup?"

I only realized just this second that an ex of mine had a guy she used to talk to who apparently in her words "Wanted to get in her pants, but was a massive asshole so don't worry".

Sigh, this is why I can't trust women.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I got banned for telling the OP to come here for actual advice. The imperative must not be threatened.

[–]dooblegoo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I remember that post. The wife was definitely cheating. It was sickening that everyone was congratulating OP when he announced that he had just misunderstood the tone of the messages and 'she's not cheating'. But no woman sends messages like that to a personal trainer who isn't also fucking him.

[–]sorceryofthetesticle 75 points76 points  (4 children)

Homeboy should get with his cousin, she knows her shit.

[–]Clockshade 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Yeah. He should go back to her place, whip out his dick on to her table, look her dead in the eye, and just say, "teach me".

[–]Glenbert 9 points10 points  (0 children)

How does that work? Lol.

"Hey cuz, wanna make a baby with only 6 great grandparents?"

Gotta love that Westermarck effect.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just laughed so hard. There's always one golden comment in the high upvoted threads.

Remembered one where a guy was talking about his sister hitting the wall; top comment was "If you're in a position to make it happen, plate. Can't do any harm. If it works, spin plate for many years."

[–][deleted] 98 points99 points  (3 children)

All she had to do was take it up the ass on his birthday and federal holidays.

[–]Sara_Solo 17 points17 points [recovered]

and make him a nice sandwich once a season

[–]theDarkAngle 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Dave Chappelle's "4 ways to please your man":

  • suck his dick
  • play with his balls
  • make him a sandwich
  • try not to talk so much

[–]StotheGG 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Dat right der da gospel truth.

[–]_the_shape_ 43 points44 points  (2 children)

Blue pillers hit the same wall over and over all of us here know too well, one of the most fundamental bits of advice when dealing with women: "listen to what she DOES not what she SAYS".

"I don't understand", they tell themselves, disheartened, disoriented, unable to piece together how the more they invest, the less she reciprocates. She lives surgically attached to her phone, but she replies to his texts whenever she feels like it - 5,10, 45 minutes later, sometimes she doesn't even bother doing so (does she know how to hold frame or what???) He tries sexting her, and she replies with a "lol", a stupid emoji, or she completely changes the topic. He argues with her over the state of their waning relationship and she storms out of his car, her parting words being "I don't have to take this shit" (but how much you want to bet she'd guzzle down a 12" shit sub whole if it came from Chad?) It seems like every week they have an exhausting 1-2 hour "talk" about what's going on between them. At this point the majority of the dialogue between the two of them deals with their relationship issues. They try counseling. She thinks it might help, and he's willing to do anything at this point. The pussy is just so so good, and he can't fathom the thought of perhaps enduring another half-year dry spell if they break up. Counseling starts to seem like a complete waste. "Listen to what she does not what she says" is tickling his nose hairs now. She keeps telling him counseling is helping, but he barely sees an improvement beyond the weekly duty sex she's doling out. He spots Chad on her list of followers/following on Instagram. Of course she every single one of his pictures. He takes note of how many other girls are losing their mind for each new Chad post. The scent of alpha widow is now hitting him.

What does he do? What happens now? Does he keep going to counseling? Does he keep trying to work things out with her? Does he remain in a constant state of fear and paranoia that she's already texting Chad? He does all of that, hanging on to the excruciatingly bitter end, only to get dumped as she feeds him a platter of breadcrumbs on D-day ("I care about you so much!" "I'm going to miss you so much!") How do I know? Because that was exactly what happened to me. She told me again and again that she didn't want to be with me in a thousand different ways, but I never listened.

[–]I_Wear_Jorts5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this. Been on and off TRP for over a year now. Just now coming back after a 6+ month hiatus. Posts like this remind me of some issues I'm still working on fixing

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points  (1 child)

He shouldn't have told her why he was dumping her. Now she is just that more prepared to snag the next BB. But I have lots of respect for a guy like that. I don't know if I would have done the same in my BP days.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 24 points25 points  (8 children)

I ended up reaching out to my older cousin, she is like a relationship guru among my friends. I told her the situation she was familiar with this because she knew of women in similar situation.

At this point I was ready for some cringe-worthy advice about forgetting her past, you're with her in the end so you win, etc. Then the cousin delivers some RP advice worthy of the sidebar. Women who give men advice like this are pure gold.

She told me that my girlfriend did nothing wrong and she isn't a bad person, however its not really in my best interest to stay.

This is almost straight out of RP. Don't blame a woman for following a woman's strategy to maximize her utility in life, but also don't stick around to be beta bucks.

Reminds me a bit of this quote from the epic FuckedCompany thread about avoiding marriage:

Many women really view men as horses, and they are the riders. High-strung, maybe beautiful horses yes, but in the end, just animals to help them achieve their goals.

Great story with a great ending. I almost wonder if it is fake - it's too perfect.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

At this point I was ready for some cringe-worthy advice about forgetting her past, you're with her in the end so you win, etc. Then the cousin delivers some RP advice worthy of the sidebar. Women who give men advice like this are pure gold.

The car analogy was pure gold. It explains AF/BB in a way that makes it palatable to people who are still plugged in.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Every guy wants to be seen as alpha by his girl, if he isn't weak, but isn't seen as comparatively alpha by her because she's fucked the gangsters, chads and all the other hyper-masculinised naturals: she's just not worth your time.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Alpha widowhood is a real thing. If her last boyfriend was a firefighter who drove a motorcycle and dominated her in bed, she's not gonna tingles dating an accountant who drives a Volvo and gently "makes love" to her.

[–]mugatucrazypills 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Volvo accountant better run an international meth ring and order hits.

[–]WardlyHasted 22 points22 points [recovered]

Oh and she wanted advice on how to do anal with his big dick, however when I have slightly brought it up she tells me that her butt is exit only.

I'm not even that into anal, but this seems like a great test to see how much a girl is actually into you.

"If she gives up the butt, she's your slut; if her ass is a no, it's time to go."

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i consider this a valuable data point and ive done this test. So far its been a pretty good benchmark

[–]truchisoft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Be careful, she might just be a slut, those are the worse, since they have no trouble stringing you up until they have your assets.

[–]-Quotidian 49 points50 points  (12 children)

I love her so much

I snorted. Derisively. I get that the guy's plugged in, but after a while the patterns we've all learned to predict become...predictable. The only curveball for me was hearing that his female cousin had been so honest with him. The car analogy is excellent and fits with a lot of what we know--branch swinging, the lack of remorse, male SMV vs female SMV--but it was the short and sweet that really caught my attention:

She told me that my girlfriend did nothing wrong and she isn't a bad person, however its not really in my best interest to stay.

Honesty and hypergamy in the same sentence. The girlfriend was acting out of self-interest, and not directly to the boyfriend's detriment, so she really wasn't doing anything wrong. Just making a calculated decision. What kind of person she is I will leave for each of you to decide, but I think we can all agree that BB's cousin was right to tell him he should move on.

What I'm wondering now is why the cousin was straight with him. It's not an important question; I'm guessing it was because she thought he could handle it.

[–]Merwebb 19 points20 points  (6 children)

The point in learning about hypergamy is to know that it isnt an evil move, its just how women are.

So no, that dude's ex did nothing wrong, she was being a women that needed to be left behind because of her natural choices.

[–]locolopes 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I wouldn't say it's an evil move, but dammit is it the toughest thing to accept. The lesson seems to always come down to being less emotionally invested than they are.

[–]Merwebb 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah it sucks. It has been the thing that hurts me the most about the damn pill

[–]1sardinemanR 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It's a failure on men to collectively hold frame. Not the current generations that were born into this nonsense, but the Boomer generation of men that pissed away the greatest prosperity in world history and got owned by feminists on top of that for decades.

[–]all_the_right_moves 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's almost as if a life of ease, having no struggles and no hard knocks makes men weak. Oh wait

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 9 points10 points  (3 children)

You do encounter these exceptional women sometimes, I jokingly call them "witches". She may not be summoning demons to do her bidding on midsummer eve, but there's still a certain frightening lucidity about them. It's like a woman with an enlightened hamster that doesn't spin, instead it calculates, plans, and observes. Effortlessly sees right through everybody's bullshit, like this guy's female cousin, and is herself quite dangerous being a good manipulator and knowing exactly how to look perfectly innocent.

[–]Nebulose11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You just described my wife. Her logic does get overtaken by emotions but as soon as I point it out she is quick to correct it.

She knows that she shouldn't feel ______ way but its how she feels, so it doesn't have to make sense. (It took me forever to stop trying to figure her feelings out and just let them be. A quick hug can usually set her right again).

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[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (18 children)

What helped me tremendously was looking at every woman as a rental.

Get your fun in while everything is new, fresh and exciting and then end it on your terms before you inevitably fuck up and she finds someone better (or you just get unlucky and a guy doing everything better than you just pops up). If you DO get kicked to the curb, don't get angry or frustrated - simply realize that you had your fun with this rental and now it's time to turn it over to someone else. You still got to fuck her brains out - that's all the next guy is going to do too.

For me, the satisfaction comes from how long I can hang on to a rental (aka woman) before my time with her is up and I preferably end things on my terms (effectively widowing her), or I fuck up, lose frame and she branch-swings somewhere else

Some guys can only keep a rental for a night or two. Some for a few months. Some have their shit locked down so tight they can hang on to a rental for 3, 5, even 10+ years if they so choose. Regardless as long as YOU get your fun/money's worth out of her, why be frustrated when it's time to turn her over to someone else?

[–]squarehead93 38 points39 points  (8 children)

If you DO get kicked to the curb, don't get angry or frustrated - simply realize that you had your fun with this rental and now it's time to turn it over to someone else. You still got to fuck her brains out - that's all the next guy is going to do too.

Regardless as long as YOU get your fun/money's worth out of her, why be frustrated when it's time to turn her over to someone else?

That's perhaps the most mature way to look at a woman moving on to someone new that I've ever seen. Yeah, it can suck o get tapped the shoulder and be told your time is up with a particular woman if you weren't ready for it to be up, and that now it's someone else's time, but they just wanna fuck her too. Doesn't change the fact you got to fuck her and have your fun with her. It just means it didn't last forever. But you might soon be the guy who's taking over from another guy who really enjoyed another girl.

This is why I love this fucking sub. Every once in a while someone just says something that clicks. Far from being a bunch of bitter maladjusted misogynists trying to get others to be like us, this place encourages us to do the opposite. Instead of putting any woman on a pedestal and then becoming crushed and angry when she inevitably disillusions you, TRP tells you that women are all only human too. If she's not into you, someone else will be if you put yourself to it. Isn't that a much healthier way of seeing women?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You both kind of helped me. I got kicked to the curb two days ago and it happened very surprisingly to me. As some dudes here say, 'she never was mine, it was just my turn" or something like that. I felt like shit for a short time, but hey... I basically stole her from another LTR and now I'm about to bitch about it happen to me? Thanks to you guys, i can think about the good sex we had and that there is no reason to feel anger. Mostly I'm more motivated to fitness and healthy eating.

[–]mugatucrazypills 5 points6 points  (0 children)

there's a line like this in James Joyce Ulysses, about the gap between a man thinking he possesses a woman sexually when he is the just the current rider in an unbroken chain of tenants backwards and forwards in time, the panoply of cock that has and shall pass through,

a carousel in fact.

wisdom is there if you read far enough in

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Dude, nail on the head. They're selfish, we're selfish. As long as expectations are managed properly, you shouldn't have a problem.

[–]Brave_Horatius 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As much as we're accused of feeling 'entitled' is actually the bp and feminists that are.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I was never really happy with my car when I had it. She was great, like a brand new VW Jetta wagon, sporty, plenty of room for my baggage... but I always wanted more, like an Audi allroad quattro or maybe a Porsche.

If I had waited a little longer I could have been able to afford the audi but I bought the vw because I really needed a car. Turns out she broke down and left me stranded on the highway in the middle of nowhere. Because of it I was late for work and lost my job, then the bank repossessed my car and now all I can afford is a used Oldsmobile.

I miss the VW from time to time because I haven't been able to get a car quite as nice yet, but I'm saving up for a Porsche.

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[–]Gawernator 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Yuuuupp - there's always that LTR material girl to come and give you the itis

[–]ruboski 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You think you're done with the itis, and then out of no-where it hits you before you realise it's too late.

Then you don't get rid of the 'rental' before you fuck up, because you have the itis. Then you fuck up and it hurts so much haha.

So frustrating.

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[–]Gawernator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sounds like a foolish girl then. You have a clearance or something?

[–]TheQuestion78 14 points15 points  (2 children)

This car analogy is a great way to introduce the AF/BB phenomena to our Blue Pill friends. It is much more covert but is definitely on point. I will try to remember it.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 14 points15 points  (2 children)

This story is a symptom of a much larger problem in our sexualized, feminized society: Women don't understand the real importance of sex.

From a very young age, women have opportunities for sex. It's constant. It's annoying. If a woman wants to have sex, she pretty much just has to shower, put on some make-up, straighten up her hair, put on a dress and a pair of heels, and go sit at her nearest club or bar and let guys come up to her. She won't spend a cent on drinks. At the end of the night, she can go home with the best one. Or if she's not feeling it with any of them, she can just go home alone. No biggie. Because she can just go back tomorrow or the next day and have a bunch more offers.

As long as a woman isn't too ugly and her standards aren't too insane, sex is no big deal for women, because it's always there, on the table.

So when they finally settle down to marry a good guy, they barely even think about whether or not they're sexually attracted to him. Because sex isn't a big deal to them. It's not a valuable consideration. They weren't even looking at that. They were looking for other qualities.

They see absolutely no problem with settling for a guy that's not as sexy as other guys, nor do they understand why he would be offended or angry about that. Because sex isn't a big deal when it's always been around, offered, on the table, and an abundant, value-less commodity.

Only when they've been married 2-7 years and now resent that they're trapped with a loser they're not attracted to does the gravity of this mistake dawn on them.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

This was originally on the sex subreddit. I commented saying he needs to move the fuck on because she's always going to crave the dicking the first guy gave her and will eventually (and likely already is) seek to replicate the experience with other men and he was just a placeholdrr until she finds it. I was banned on the spot for "hate speech" and OP's post was deleted by the mods.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The sex subreddit is so pro-woman/anti-man it's hilarious. Whenever somebody there posts about a conflict in a male/female relationship the majority of users will always take the woman's side. At least in the relationships sub it's possible for a man to get a fair shake, even if it's uncommon.

[–]monzzter221 9 points10 points  (4 children)

What I find interesting is that car analogy. we do it a lot with women, "a car with a lot of mileage is going to give you problems" and such, but never considered the fast car minivan thing.

Its also funny how more than likely if it was a dude that gave him this advice instead of a girl he would have had a much harder time listening. He got lucky in that he asked probably the only girl he will ever know that will give him great advice like this.

[–]through_a_ways 12 points13 points  (2 children)

"a car with a lot of mileage is going to give you problems"

If there was no way to discern the mileage on a car, everyone would use taxis.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

...This should be the top comment

[–]mugatucrazypills 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the Asian makes run much longer longer

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I find it staggering that women cannot comprehend why a man's opinion of a woman will be reduced, not merely by the realisation that he was her extreme backup option, a guy she retreated to with her tail between her legs, but that the other guy thought of her as little more than an over-sized cum-rag. Yet for him, she was prepared to give her all, while Mr. Backup? He gets duty sex. I could probably accept that I wasn't a girl's number one choice, but to have your relationship, particularly physical intimacy, based on a sliding scale of attraction in which you're not deemed attractive or masculine enough for anal sex, but the ass-hole guy is? Of course a guy's going to be pissed. The whole problem he has found here is that his girlfriend doesn't find him attractive in that deep, carnal way that he knows, instinctively, is necessary for the continuance of their relationship. How is it difficult to comprehend that? Men don't deal in duplicitous, sliding scales of attraction. Yeah, we all appreciate that some girls are hotter than others, but women are essentially 0s or 1s where our attraction is concerned. Where relationships are concerned, it's rarely a case of treating the one girl any different from the next. If you have desire, you have desire. Girls are playing games and they can go fuck themselves.

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[–]cutegirlsthrowaway 99 points100 points  (6 children)

It's sad that such a low standard of decency is all it takes for a woman to be considered pretty good.

[–]theDarkAngle 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Actually I don't really think she did anything wrong. She was in non-commital relationships with two men, one wanted commitment at a time when she needed it, but he was the second choice. So she told the other guy to commit or she's leaving.

She's simply doing what's best for her. It's a biological imperative for her to secure the best mate. All in all she seems to be in sober control of those instincts. It's still business-like hypergamy, but that's female nature and it isn't evil.

The evil part is how everyone lies to us about female nature.

Saying she is wrong for trying to secure the best mate she can is akin to saying OP is wrong for leaving her.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Moral relativism. It's a bullshit ideology, but here it is.

[–]pcadrian 6 points6 points [recovered]

Welcome to the US - the land of thirsty men.

[–]Clockshade 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"Committed" to "being" with one of them, while still fucking both of them; in no doubt disproportional amounts, mind you.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Well, if you don't see that there could be anything wrong with settling for a guy who is obviously Plan B and a consolation prize, I guess you could consider it such.

However, what we're not seeing (yet) is where that couple will be in 10, 20 years, after marriage and possibly kids.

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[–]all_the_right_moves 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In a manner of speaking yes, but not necessarily in a bad way. In an RP relationship both parties "settle" in the sense that their commitment is conditional on performance and they don't "need" or even want the other person unless they're doing their part.

[–]musclebound92 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I didn't even notice that. Good point.

[–]StotheGG 2 points3 points  (1 child)

She was lying the entire time. She kept all of this hidden from her 'boyfriend.'

[–]theDarkAngle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Except he wasn't the boyfriend, right? She was in non-commital relationships with both men.

[–]tio1w 2 points3 points  (1 child)


She used this schmuck as leverage against "Chad".

She was not commited to "only being with 1 of these guys", she was forced to by circumstances.

[–]slothsenpai 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Like it's mentioned in the post, it doesn't make her a "bad person" by any means though it still doesn't really change the fact that no one likes feeling "second best", "cheap" or some kind of "plan b".

[–]theDarkAngle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah this. She's not a bad person for "settling". It was probably the smartest thing she ever did. Prolly should have deleted that instagram though.

[–]chwed2 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Oh yeah I saw this post too. For added context of responses, I believe a lot of people told him he was an idiot for ending a relationship based on his insecurities.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 29 points30 points  (2 children)

And most of them were women who also had their Chad but settled for their Bob. And of course are totally in love with him now.

That's the problem with the sort of female advice that's not feel-good bullshit: they don't give you the advice they would want to get if they were in your situation, they give you the advice they would want you to get if they were in the woman's situation.

Thankfully, there were also a lot of reasonable people who told him that he was a consolation prize, so there's that.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

they give you the advice they would want you to get if they were in the woman's situation.

This is female advice in a nutshell. It holds true if it's your mother, aunt or mother Theresa. Except for the OP's cousin, damn.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The guy posted the exact same thing in r.sex and got dogpiled by people telling him that he overreacted and that he's an idiot for breaking up with his girlfriend.

As bad as r.relationships can be when it comes to pro-woman bias, it's nothing compared to r.sex.

[–]1raceAround126 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I had a girl give me a similar ultimatum a while ago. She demanded the girlfriend "official" upgrade or she was off. Don't get me wrong, she did everything and more in the bedroom. But reading this, I wonder if this wasn't because she had a BB waiting in the sidelines in case I said no (which I did).

[–]CastratedBetaOrbiter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm really impressed that the OPs female cousin dispensed truth to him.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sigh. So sad.

Stuff like this is almost certainly why organized religions prohibited premarital sex. They knew from experience that people would not be able to form or keep relationships if they had standards of comparision based on intensity of carnal stimulation.

Sure, there are people who are self-aware and can sleight of mind their way into maintaining a relationship under any circumstance, but they are a minority.

In any case, this girl will now be tipped off to how she has to engage in image control if she expects to get what she wants. She'll just snag some other clueless beta bux and that will be that. Also, this guy will probably find a girl who has a similar past, but is better at hiding it.

[–]Factushima 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good post.

I'm so glad to see one of these with a happy ending.

Now she can go baby-lasso Chad.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Good girl cousin. Interesting that she didn't play into the "sisterhood" on this one.

[–]mugatucrazypills 2 points3 points  (0 children)

because of the genetic/familial link a cousin might be one of the few females to give you good feedback.

[–]musclebound92 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Sometimes I am baffled by some of the childish shit I see being said by other people. Although some of it hold weight, and has truth behind it. Nothing is that black and white. Taller guys, longer cocks. This is how most people think, as if dick size is everything. We seem to put categories on dick size as small and large. Small means you are a bitch somehow, and large means you are an alpha...? I know guys 5'10" and under that have straight hogs. 9 inches with Girth. I know a few taller guys with 5.5" ers'...Average. Anyone that actually has experience in the bedroom knows that more than length, Girth is probably the most important thing. I know women that prefer large dicks in both departments, yet they say that the best sex they have ever had was a guy with a smaller dick... Which makes no sense to me, being a guy who is "gifted" or so I have been told, and I stand at 5'9". I know one guy who is 6'7" with a big dick. He's the farthest thing from an alpha and girls want nothing to do with him after their first sexual encounter because of how much of a loser he is. My point in saying all of this is, grow the fuck up. This is not directed at OP. This is a general statement, that I am just putting out there. Girls would much rather have a MAN that is built, strong, motivated, and passion driven. He has his shit together, and can defend her against most anyone. Or at least she believes he could, which in the end is all that matters to women. And he has an average sized dick. I think porn has polluted a lot of mens minds that a huge dick will just make your girl cum endlessly and bow to your every desire, and wake you up with a blow job. Sorry guys, but the only girls I know that are like that are some of the trashiest sluts in the world. Getting a girl off is difficult. Not always, and far from impossible. None the less, it is difficult in comparison to getting a man off. Some women have clits that are easy to find and very sensitive, some have a G spot inside them that is like mining for gold and takes forever to find, and hit. Most of them get off from their clit however. And a 10 inch cock that you obsessively see in porn that has construed this false thinking in your brain, will not stimulate her clit. Sorry pal. So keep ramming away at her and see how far that gets you. It works for some, but not most. If you ever actually ask a girl who is comfortable talking about it, she will tell you that ramming a dick in her as hard as you can is not rocking her world. Remember also that women are very, very good actors. By genetic disposition their personality is aimed to please others. And they will falsely do so in the bedroom and never tell you. I don't know what its like to have an average, or small dick. So I can't sit here and tell anyone that they shouldn't worry about it. I haven't been in your shoes so I won't try. All I am saying is, fucken relax. If your experienced, you'll know what I am saying holds a large amount of weight. Peace. And great post OP.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean. Also, be a good captain and you won't have a mutiny on your hands.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

That's a heartwarming story. I love the happy ending.

As for him "taking the first step" I'm not really sure that's the case.

It's good he dumped her but he doesn't really know any more than when he started. And he was way to nice to her when he should have called her a hypergamous cunt.

The first step towards alpha-ness is reading the sidebar, lifting, and getting your life in order.

Breaking up with this skank was just taking out the trash.

[–]Polishrifle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why bother calling her a hypergamous cunt? That seems like a severe loss of frame. Just move on.

[–]lioror 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I got banned from that sub reddit when I posted there about trp. I guess the first rule stands, don't talk about trp outside of trp.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I got banned for telling the OP that his gf was extremely disrespectful and he should leave her. Like Wtf, even if I am wrong why would you ban that in a relationship advice subreddit haha.

[–]Ibex3D 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well your username screams "I go to the red pill" and, well, you can't allow people with different beliefs to be in your forum because god forbid you change someone's mind. No dissenting opinions allowed.

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

But, he did the grandest thing. He left. I don't read this as him trying to negotiate desire, he was just being honest as he left. That's only one step down from the RP slow-fade. That's as good as you can expect from a plugged-in guy.

[–]musclebound92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am guilty of doing this in the past. Its a maturity/insecurity, thing. With experience and age/time, he will understand that is not the way to go, or the way he will even want to go.

[–]Mature_Student 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"By listening to his cousin's advice and doing the hard thing, this guy is taking his first steps towards alpha-ness."

This, so much this.

[–]M3_Drifter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Op links to the r/relationships sub, but interestingly, the dude posted the very same post in r/sex, with some slightly different results. The sex-positive hivemind cannot possibly fathom that the Thundercock can have any bearing on her present.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (20 children)

I don't understand what's wrong. The girl is clearly an alpha widow and is now settling with OP, what that shows me is that OP should work harder on his SMV.

OP didn't really do anything wrong. Most girls these days are alpha widows in some shape or another (especially if they're 25+, theyre bound to have experienced multiple men). In this day and age it's quite rare to find that innocent Virgin unicorn...

If anything, I'll tell OP to accept that hard fact that he may not be as alpha as her exes, and go lift and work on his SMV. So even if the relationship doesn't work out, he has a multitude of women to choose from.

Dumping her serves no purpose other then that OP is in denial and doesn't want to accept RP

[–]Clockshade 7 points8 points  (19 children)

That isn't exactly true, though. This girl already sees the dude as a beta, so she's going to treat him like one, which he is. If he wants to improve himself, then he's gonna have to let her go. Maybe in a few years, sure, once he's got his shit going on he could see her again. It's best to drop a girl in that situation.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (18 children)

What makes you think she sees the dude as beta? There's been no mention of disrespect or shit-testing (surprisingly).

It's clear that he may not be "as alpha" as that other guy, but OP didn't mention himself exhibiting any beta traits.

If the girl was consistently trying to please OP, being respectful and all, then I see no reason to drop the girl (she still has benefit). My rationale is that a "unicorn virgin" that has never done anything sexually adventurous, never been in a relationship with any alpha guys, never went to a club... doesn't exist anymore in the modern world. To me, OP was hit with the truth that AWALT, that he was the second option, and in an effort to deny this, he breaks up with the girl to avoid facing the reality that girls simply aren't the abstraction our media portrays them to be.

[–]mrprm 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Did you miss the part where she was willing to do anal with Chad but gave her BF the "exit only" line? That's one indication that she isn't hot for him like she was for Chad.

[–]oldmanwho 3 points3 points [recovered]

an in-group woman, in fear-of-loss response to one of her group of women's mens being poached, suggests simultaneously - fluidly, natively, in the script the boy provides no less - that the boy deserves better and should reserve for this better not like that girl.

the boy, bounces back his new dick lead hopeful allegiance status to his prior girl, who now fears the loss instead.

the boy, still a boy. it will repeat. he will not feel better.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

We have our top scientists trying to figure out what you just said.

[–]One_friendship_plz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm always suspicious of these posts while these events are frequent it's always a brand new account and you guys instantly make the thread after or wait a while for comments to build up it's suspicious or you stalk useless threads too much which doesn't sound very redpill. To always perfectly time these threads, you guys are spamming refresh on the new section in relationships.

Either way I'll always hold doubt over new accounts.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's standard practice in the relationships sub for people to create throwaway accounts when asking questions. A lot of people have friends or family members who know their main Reddit account so they don't want to use it.

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