Red Pill TheoryLoser is one of the most devastating insults you can hit a woman with. (self.TheRedPill)


Tl;dr Every woman has a big red button for a psychological nuke called acceptance in her mind. Learn to revel in her psychotic desperation for approval at large and hone your cool indifference to societal norms for maximum tingles.

Loser is a beautiful word for men. It signifies so many things in such a subtle way. Most people hear loser and can immediately dismiss it, but for many women, the word loser instantly dredges up her past.

Most women battle with horrible insecurities surrounding their place in society. For most, they are told from a very young age that their beauty is what determines their self worth. It is drilled into them, even if they come from a supportive intelligent family. In this day and age, beauty being the end all be all gets to all women no matter what.

So why not call a woman ugly?

For the non autistic amongst us, we can tell calling a woman is too obvious an insult. Calling a woman almost always comes across as incredibly bitter, and that bitterness offsets the cutting effect of an insult like loser. Calling a woman ugly is almost never a wise option, but loser... loser gets to the heart off matters without coming across like a complete fedora.

When I was younger there was this one "popular" girl (she developed DD cups pretty friggin early) who would call other people loser. I never understood it, because while I would have years where I would be full on pariah mode and then years where I would be very popular, I never felt affected by the word. It wasn't until later that I started to see how critical it is for a woman to be a part of a group and feel accepted.

Mean girls came along and I sensed women resonate with this feeling of never being loved or accepted. I watched girls hate Regina George for the stratification effect she had on everyone around her. I watched the lovable goth and gay war against the plastics (you guys should really give mean girls a chance, it's actually an amazing critique of the modern woman) and inevitably win.

Unfortunately in real life this desire to be accepted for women continues on FOREVER

Many women are desperate for marriage not because of the security it affords them, but because they want to remain a part of an extended social circle. Only the married are part of the in crowd, and the singles are completely miserable.

The single women are the losers

So by now I hope you've realized I've been trying to communicate that for women, social structures are infinitely more important than anything else. In settings where I have an aloof positive standing, women on the outskirts will fight with one another to defend me and stay in my good graces.

Yes it's that fucking important to them.

So here is the lynch pin to this post, and probably one of the most important tools you will ever have in the battle for tingles. If you aren't seen as a complete loser, have a few friends in a group with good standing and have a genuine indifference/bemused attitude, they will instantly rank you above them. Hold frame, call them a loser in a bemused way and watch the tingles flow.

Lessons Learned: Women desire group acceptance more than anything else. Having good standing in an accepted group and then mocking a woman's desperate need to be accepted can be one of your most powerful weapons.

EDIT - Guys get this post some visibility, it's getting brigaded, people clearly don't want this becoming too common

[–]doveenigma13 128 points129 points  (17 children)

"Are you ok? You look a little tired"


[–]NumeriusAelius 14 points15 points  (4 children)

This is definitely true. I was talking to one of my plates about what the worst things to say to a girl was and saying "you look tired" is equivalent of saying "you look ugly".

[–]TheOuterRing 13 points13 points [recovered]

A lot of it is related to make-up. Almost every chick I know always gets asked if she is tired when she doesn't have make-up on. And only when she doesn't. Ergo, they translate that to being ugly since they are only being called that without their make-up.

That's kinda their fault for putting on fake eye lashes and crap. When a woman can work make-up and have it enhance and not be a mask is when I think it's used properly. Half the time the make-up is used to outdo the other, rather than enhance their own self.

Women have the oddest social behaviors with each other.

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[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many women don't look decent without it. I'm guessing you're easy on the eyes when all natural and they be jelly.

[–]CptFizz 26 points27 points  (2 children)

And if that doesn't work you can always go for "You used to be so fun."

[–]trpftw 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If a girl gets annoying after drinking (very typical for me), tell her "Interestingly, you are so much more fun sober."

I dunno, I kinda make a lot of girls feel like alcoholics (because so many are). Then they incessantly try to prove they aren't.

[–]doveenigma13 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oooooooh. That's a good one.

[–]aherne18 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Said that honestly (she was in fact uglier than normal) and her ego deflated instantly. Effective shit:)

[–]Crotch_Snorkel 9 points10 points  (1 child)

There were two girls who were into me at the bar this past weekend, 1 was 27 who had some work done, and the other was 38 who was naturally better looking but also post wall. Talking to the 38yo casually, and the 27yo goes nuts and kept coming up to us to insert herself to the conversation. The older woman goes

"OMG I love your lip injections, they look so good!"

I lost it and just started laughing. When a girl compliments another girl... its an insult.

[–]red_pill_throw_away 4 points5 points  (1 child)

My mom says this to me all the time. I never understood why until now. She is also psychotic and manipulative.

[–]livelearndiee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey! My mom also knew how to poke at my insecurities, how bout a beer?

[–]Redasshole 21 points22 points  (0 children)

"You shirt is cool. It's quite popular in fact, you are the third girl I've seen with it today. Plus I've heard it's quite cheap."

"Your skirt is nice. Too bad it's not ironed."

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not just me then? Everytime I've said that, the girl took offense.

[–]Freddy_Fedora 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"I like your eyebrows, they must have taken quite a while!"

[–]PillersOfTheEarth 219 points219 points [recovered]

Years ago, a close female friend told me something about women and status that didn't really start to make sense until recently after I began reading about The Red Pill.

What she said was that women need problems. Problems bring women together, and it's one of the ways they bond best. And in a group of women, the woman with the greatest problems has the most status.

Now, what is one of the problems a woman can have that bring her a lot of status and attention? Being a single mother. Especially these days.

Think about that, and about the percentage of single mothers out there.

[–]1Dis_mah_mobile_one 54 points55 points  (7 children)

Roll said it best when he said that women crave and desire Indignation. Women require drama and the swings of emotion that comes with it. This isn't just superficial "gossip drama" either.

So, it's not just the one with the most problems that gains status. It's the woman with the most ability to bring indignation and wide swings in emotion, and many of the things that cause those are labelled "problems" by women.

[–]redestofthereds 9 points10 points  (0 children)

God damn it! That was an RP truth that I was beginning to grasp back in my early twenties but then I met this not-so-basic bitch.

Ahh I should've followed my instinct!I was on to so many RP truths.

[–]Freddy_Fedora 1 point2 points  (3 children)

When a girl brings up these dramas and tries to oull you into it what is the best course of action? I usually ignore

[–]1Dis_mah_mobile_one 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Depends. I mean it when I say that women need indignation. Women have a dualistic sexual strategy and their two aims aren't always compatible. She has a deep need for security, and this need supersedes all others. But she is also driven by Hypergamy, and the issue is that what most excites her Hypergamy is what runs most opposite to Security.

So, Indignation in my opinion is a reaction to her encountering anything that trips a woman's Hypergamy, and women need this because she is coming from a place of Security primacy.

All this to say, it's normally a good idea to inject some indignation on your own terms. Treating her like a bratty little sister is perfect for this. However, if any woman tries to involve you in drama on anything other than your terms, just leave and tease her about her childish drama. This is ironically a great way to both not get sucked into worthless female drama, while also causing your own indignation.

[–]Freddy_Fedora 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mmm issue is if I treat her like a child and I don't want to get into her drama she will respond with "you don't care about me / other guys would back me up / you're not a real man:" so I just ignore her.

[–]trpftw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know how to do this perfectly, but I had sensed this and what I try to do is I make them aware that I think less of them for being spoiled or entitled or addicted to something. Especially if they do something manipulative, I challenge them on it, even if it's towards someone else.

As an example, one girl is expecting me to side with her and be loyal (because she's a princess) and here I am halfheartedly defending random strangers from her. She gets embarrassed unexpectedly. Then she tries to pretend that she's not always this spoiled.

I basically show disapproval or call something she does weird as soon as she does it. Then I say "if it were me, I would have never done that."

Not sure but I feel like it works this way. I don't know if that's the best way to go about it.

Also it is never like "disgust" or abusive emotionally. It is never meant as disrespect. It is never insulting. If she feels offended I will say "look that's just how you are normally, I'm not judging you for it." Sometimes a girl will get offended and they'll walk away to another location physically or another room, like as if they are a princess who just became sad. You may have to comfort her while standing your ground and holding frame.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 47 points48 points  (5 children)

Women think having emotional drama makes them deep and important. They conflate histrionics with characteristic depth. I see it as nothing but juvenile attention seeking, like a baby crying for its mother, infantile.


Allow me to expound on this further, it is struggle which determines the nature of an individual. People respect struggle. Everybody respects a self-made man more than a man born to a rich daddy. Both are high status, but one is more admirable in personal quality. One man defied odds, whilst the other simply obeyed them. A rich child who dies rich just didn't fuck up. You don't get points for not squandering the family fortune. A poor child who died rich hit the big time, he had to build every connection, deal with poverty, work with less resources - you name it (on a tangent this is why I find 50 Cent/Curtis Jackson really admirable.)

And so in light of this we innately admire the ever raging conquest of struggle, as we all deeply identify with the process of struggle within our own lives no matter how varied each of our lives may be. We all have struggles pertaining to our own weaknesses.

Women tend to be histrionic (99% - so let's say it's a fundamental of AWALT.) They enjoy swinging from an emotional high to an emotional low. They enjoy the validation that comes with being a "survivor" or whatever because it makes them seem powerful, like they're an underdog who overcame struggle. And you know what people who defied the odds get? Admiration, respect. This is all women want, but they want to ride out their emotions too, because they're histrionic.

So it's a 2-in-1 thing here, it's processing her emotions, because this is the fundamental modus operandi of women to "listen to their heart" and have it dictate/validate their decision-making. And secondly, to be respected for being emotional. We all innately see emotivity in the extreme, bar anger, as weakness. Sure anger is a loss of self-control, but it's anything but weak. So what do they do? Spin an underdog/victim narrative and get praised for "overcoming odds."

It's quite clever if you think about it, but I doubt they sit there planning it out. It comes intuitively to women, as do most things Machiavellian with a womanly flavour - they feel their way into it. The very nature of womankind is Machiavellian itself.

At a glance, people oft cannot tell the difference between histrionics and real struggle. But there is an easy well to tell the difference. People who wear their struggle as a badge of honour, who wear it obviously - they are the histrionics. They become identarian with their struggle and feel the need to tell everyone about it. With those who don't wear it as a badge, there's a genuinely higher chance whatever struggle they purport to have faced is real.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

How is chest-beating alpha behavior (audacity, boldness, etc.) any different than female histrionics? Both are exaggerated dramatic behavior designed to attract attention. Neither is "deep and important" or is a display of character depth. Why is one lauded but the other considered "infantile"?

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

There's nothing weak about a silver back beating his chest or a grizzly posturing on it's hind legs with a growl.

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Nor is there anything weak about a woman whose tentacles run deep within many social circles, and whose opinion and behavior carries weight, no matter how inane it may seem. Like we our taught here, women and men are different - their power plays are thus different. Nothing inherently "good" or "bad" about respective strategies; they are just different. I think it is foolish to label one "alpha" and the other "infantile". I think it is important to remain objective with these things. They evolved those strategies for a reason, and they have survived for a reason.

[–]life_is_amazing100 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Woah man, you just enlightened me there. Reading this post I just realised that what you said is also a reflection of the innate solipsism of women, men who overcome their struggles and earn high social standing are loved by most and seen as strong for being able to achieve this as you pointed out. So it doesn't seem to be so far off that they're trying to imitative the attractiveness of these strong men they've seen believing it'll have the same affect on men as it does on them.

[–]scrantonic1ty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At a glance, people oft cannot tell the difference between histrionics and real struggle. But there is an easy well to tell the difference. People who wear their struggle as a badge of honour, who wear it obviously - they are the histrionics. They become identarian with their struggle and feel the need to tell everyone about it. With those who don't wear it as a badge, there's a genuinely higher chance whatever struggle they purport to have faced is real.

This is the truth.

I haven't heard the whole story (kinda part of the point), but from what I can gather and from what my gut tells me, my sister was at best regularly sexually assaulted but more than likely raped during a past relationship in her late teens. I wasn't told much about it even though she and my mother went to the police. It was all kept as quiet as possible barring the authorities and it is never, ever discussed anymore. As far as anyone else was concerned it never happened, and she'll just get on with her life now as the police couldn't prosecute on nothing but her testimony. As far as I can tell she's put it behind her as best as can be expected. I have a lot of respect for her and how she's dealt with it.

[–][deleted] 126 points127 points  (4 children)

Now, what is one of the problems a woman can have that bring her a lot of status and attention? Being a single mother. Especially these days.

R a p e

Now that rape does not just apply to extreme violence or inability of consent (drugging), but can apply to regret, each woman can have their problem.

[–]NoMoreCuckServative 64 points65 points  (3 children)

Now that rape does not just apply to extreme violence or inability of consent (drugging), but can apply to regret, each woman can have their problem.

Which is why they clamjerk each other when they boast of themselves as "survivors" of sexual assault, rape, domestic violence—all of which can either be "real" or "feels."

It's a status play.

Some clam: I'm a survivor of domestic violence. My boyfriend grabbed my arm during an argument. I know what it's like for women to live under the threat of patriarchy and its violence!

Other clams: OMG, you are so strong. Such a survivor. So inspirational.


[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 28 points29 points  (2 children)

This is why women like assholes. They spend all their time in a narcissistic bubble. And you come along and call her a cunt. Before you know it, she's doubting herself and admiring your boldness patrice o neal style.

[–]ProspectiveQuant -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

More like Carlton on Prince of Belair style heh.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Getting sympathy for all the "hard work" of single motherhood is how they get their Facebook likes..

Then they all comment telling each other how great of mother's they all are, even tho most of the kids are train wrecks

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Someone should start a facebook troll account about single fatherhood and see how many likes they can get

[–]should_ 16 points17 points  (0 children)

"UGHHH five men just told me I'm attractive today! What is wrong with the world!"

[–]thewrightstuff88 10 points11 points  (0 children)

having problems means gaining attention, having others feel sorry for you and worst of all, having white knights at your beck and call

[–]mate96 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Only from bitching about their problems though, never actually solving them. When their problem is no longer a hot topic it'll magically solve itself or disappear from discussion, only to be overtaken by another one.

[–]musclebound92 13 points14 points  (35 children)

To follow this up, I believe the need for problems is because women know how easy they have it in this world. They simply know. They also know that men run this world. They really do, not saying women aren't vital, but men build the buildings, govern the lands, fight the fights, etc. Women are also dependent on men, for protection. Its part of our basic genetics. No matter what arises in feminism or whatever happen in society, this genetic inclination will always remain present in the subconscious. So having problems, makes them feel as though they are tough. They are still keeping their head above water, or thriving, regardless of these "oh so terrible and challenging tribulations. Look at us girls, we are strong in numbers and oh golly gee look at us go!" Shaking our heads and laughing as we pull them into bed by their pigtails, and fuck their brains out, reminding them who's in charge, and them realizing that they fucking love it. Sorry, I had to add that last part.

[–]MarvelousWhale 17 points18 points  (4 children)

You don't need to apologize in this subreddit.

[–]musclebound92 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Well it was pretty ignorant what I said at the end its like a half truth to what I believe haha, so I just threw that in there as a little disclaimer.

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[–]j-pHil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would you please elaborate

[–]through_a_ways -5 points-4 points  (22 children)

They also know that men run this world. They really do, not saying women aren't vital, but men build the buildings, govern the lands, fight the fights, etc.

Only the governing example works. Doing grunt work is not "running" anything.

[–]BrunoOh 9 points10 points  (7 children)

It's doing more of the running than all the cushy HR jobs combined.

[–]through_a_ways -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, that is false

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[–]ProspectiveQuant 1 point2 points  (3 children)

HR collectively probably does more actual running of the country than the government, who mostly specialize in generating waste, and bullshit.

It's like this guy is claiming HR is bullshit PURELY based on the fact that women are the majority in it, and then circularly using that notion in his mind to claim that HR is bullshit.

[–]memphisjohn 3 points4 points  (2 children)

HR does what management tells HR to do. Who runs management?

[–]ProspectiveQuant -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Those cushy HR jobs are jobs that literally decide the entire life fate of everyone in the fucking country... are you daft? Do you not understand how the world works?

[–]musclebound92 0 points1 point  (13 children)

If you are so ignorant to not understand the value of infrastructure and architecture and what that has done to advance our society to the levels it has reached today... well then God help you. And as if women could fight in wars on a scale at all even measurable comparable, Holy shit what a fucking foolish statement haha. That level of intelligence you possess will carry you far pal.

[–]rundownweather -3 points-2 points  (12 children)

No one is questioning the value, and indeed the need, of having our infrastructure tended to and our armies fully staffed.

We simply prefer to let other, less important men do it.

[–]Plan_of_Action 1 points1 points [recovered]

"We simply prefer to let other, less important men do it."

Go fuck yourself. What a pretentious cunt.

edit: What does your paper pushing HR job and playing 'magic the gathering' have in common? Both are roleplaying actually having power without having to leave your comfort zone.

While you're busy twiddling your thumbs in an office or roleplaying, Chad the construction worker will be getting things done and fucking your wife. Oh, that's right. Maybe you're too important to worry yourself with women... or showering for that matter. Tips Fedora.

[–]rundownweather -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

Why are you so mad, man. MTG is a fun game, you should try it.

As for the rest, sorry to break it to you, but some men are indeed more important than others. If the truth hurts you, well, tough. Keep projecting though, maybe you'll feel better about your own life :)

[–]Plan_of_Action 1 points1 points [recovered]

I don't know anything about your life. The only thing I know about you is that you have an inflated sense of self worth. Just because someone has a different job than you doesn't make them less important. Even if it's a shitty job. People aren't defined by their job title. I work for myself. I make enough to live and to put some back. I own my own construction company. I work extremely hard and I'm nurturing a company that's growing every day. People with value and potential can be found in any industry. If you need to hide behind a job title to feel better than other people then something is missing in your life. Maybe there is no 'up' for you so you need to feel like you've made it. I'm not sure. You just sound like a cunt with no respect for other people. I see homeless people on the streets and I know that what separates me from them is nothing more than my actions. Maybe attaching inflated value to yourself makes you feel good. One day you will die. Then it doesn't matter if you're the president of the USA or a begger, you're worth the value of your organs to the medical industry and about a couple fifty pound bags of fertilizer. Whether you're a cunt in the meantime is up to you.

[–]rundownweather -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Wow, you can tell all that shit about me from a couple forum posts? You should quit construction and become a profiler for the FBI or something instead man, that's some insane deduction skills!

I really don't give a shit about your job, man. After all, "people aren't defined by their job title", even though you go to great lengths to describe yours, as if that were to prove something about yourself. It's great that you're doing well for yourself and all, but that alone doesn't make me want to respect you, because respect is earned. I only respect things and people that have value, and quite frankly, your arguments are weak.

Seriously, look at this shit. "One day you will die. Then it doesn't matter if you're the president of the USA or a begger, you're worth the value of your organs to the medical industry and about a couple fifty pound bags of fertilizer. Whether you're a cunt in the meantime is up to you."

Is this supposed to make me think about my life and make me to be less of a cunt? We all die in the end, i get it. Does that mean I should take pride in having died alone and penniless, or having done fuckall with my life? Should I live to be haunted by regrets on my deathbed? No, it means I should live my life as best as I can, which is the reason I look up to successful people and want to become rich and successful myself. Being a cunt is merely added value.

I understand hard work is important. I respect hard work. I do not respect jobs, and being a slave to your job. What I respect is having a career. Just as well, I respect the army. I respect strength, and I enjoy being protected by the police. I do not respect dying at 22 hovever, so there's that. The military has my full respect because I recognize its role, but I think soldiers are reckless fools.

[–]Plan_of_Action 0 points0 points [recovered]

I don't know. Can I? How accurate was I? I'd also wager that you're either ugly, undersexed, fat, or have a less than average penis, maybe you're just a short guy. Why? You're needlessly a dick and believe yourself to be more valuable than other people. That usually stems from an inferiority complex.

[–]ProspectiveQuant -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Also, tons of women in the army.

What is it we do with our army exactly? Create massive profits for corporations, and military contractors?...

[–]musclebound92 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Tons of women. 74,000 is the number. Damn, maybe your right. Oh wait... 466,000 men. Nvm you're wrong.

[–]ProspectiveQuant -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Tons = thousands. 74,000 = thousands.

A dictionary would greatly benefit your life.

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Shit. That is an amazing insight.

[–]rundownweather 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Women need problems. Men need conflict.

The difference is, problems aren't supposed to be solved.

[–]ProspectiveQuant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kind of weird... as problems are basically defined in terms of solutions, which conflict has no obvious beginning/end inherent in the meaning of the word.

[–]skoobled 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that's close to being the truth. More generally whoever is most frequently the centre of the chatter is mother hen. Drama and problems are of course a very common way of achieving this. Cf. The female social matrix

[–]ProspectiveQuant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's why periods are so great for women to have: instant bonding material.

[–]notmyusualreddit 106 points107 points  (5 children)

The reason calling a woman a loser works so well is because they can't hamster it back. They know they are. A woman without a kid and a husband after 25, or atleast one lined up and ready to pull the trigger, IS a loser deep down and they know it and theres nothing they can do. The proof is there.

When my old ex and I were breaking up, she was 26, living at home, having just killed our relationship of 2-3 years by getting way too close to her ex. Sure she had a good job and an MBA, but in reality she was a loser. She was a woman about to turn 27, with no real prospects for a quality man beyond her orbiters. She had to start over and wade through the guys that just want to fuck her and hope she can keep one.

What a sad position to be in at 27 instead of 21.

EDIT: Warning: Reddit admins deleted me after 2 years of posting, even with current gold on my account, just because I posted a link to a youtube account that was easily available if you took a name news organizations were giving out and typed it into google yourself. The bias against Trump and the_donald is real.

BUT, the reddit morons forgot to lock out EDITING your previous posts as part of the permanent ban.

[–]pavista 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Its a bigger insult to a woman than it is a man because men care relatively far less about social standing and the opinion of their peers. If you look at male interests they're most likely thing thats are enjoyed alone while women's core life revolves around their interacting with others, gossiping, going to 'events' (usually sitting around and gossiping) posting pictures on social media and getting positive feedback etc etc. If you take that away from them, they have nothing.

While some men do those things too, I think gradually as they get more confident, experienced and lets be honest, just care less about relationships in general they just withdraw from it. So calling them a loser would usually be met with 'eh'.

[–]ProspectiveQuant 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I don't know what women you are meeting... but in Los Angeles most women consider having a kid and a husband by 25 to be being a loser...

[–]j-pHil 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Until they hit 40 and realize it will never happen.

[–]ProspectiveQuant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It'll still happen. Tons of millionaires willing to marry them here after 40 for whatever reason.

[–]notmyusualreddit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here's the part women miss at 25 until it slaps them in the face during a breakup. Sure most don't want to actually be an actual house mom at 25, because they don't want to miss out on God knows what. But they DO want to be that person at 30. So when you see a single girl at 25, she actually does know she's behind schedule. At 24 she didn't want to act right and lost her bf because of too many girls nights out and texting her orbiters. Now at 25 she's tried to date but keeps getting pumped and dumped. She's really starting to wonder how to meet someone, date them, have the fantasy 1 year engagement attention whoring events, get married, have the fun married but still social life for a while, and then have a baby by 30. A 25 year old that isn't in an LTR today is pretty much failing at her plan because she's about to run out of time for all her fantasy stages. And God forbid the next guy dump her also.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (4 children)

That's interesting. Loser is usually an insult I hear directed towards men from women in a fit of psychological/emotional abuse. In cold reading insecurities for men to use as insults, always target his success and wealth or lack thereof - success and wealth being two things a hypergamous woman highly values and what men build their self-esteem on.

[–]1REDPILLRECKONING[S] 38 points39 points  (3 children)

Projection factors into why they do it too. You ever notice women are horrible at gauging what it takes to be successful? Most will scoff at a man with a six digit salary, a car and a general grasp of his life. This is because they have no idea what it takes to build your own life or forge your own path. Many see these things as something anyone can do, but not because they are completely oblivious to the difficulties involved in becoming a successful man.


They have a slight grasp, but what is really happening is that their minds are completely wrecked by the difficulty involved in developing a strong sense of self. What you are doing is so beyond the scope of their reality, they naturally want to diminish you in any way possible, because it shows them what a loser they are.

It's common for insecure women AND men to project their feelings of inadequacy on you. Especially when they are a novice.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

waitresses are the worst for this. There concept of money is coin raining from everyones pockets on to their trays for basically doing what they are suppose to get paid for. They never have any concept of what real work is worth. Hell some of the more attractive ones make north of 40/hr.

Naturally this will dry up pretty quickly as the middle class work force continues to down size and the misandry bubble begins to deflate.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I keep coming back to this comment. Let there be a reckoning.

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[–]alpha_buffalo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Punish swiftly, Reward Slowly".

[–]FrameWalker 44 points45 points  (15 children)

how critical it is for a woman to be a part of a group and feel accepted.

Men find value internally and women find it externally. Yet men are intrinsically low value (high supply of sperm) and women are inherently high value (low amount of fertile ovaries)

[–]tomysotomayorfuxboys 11 points12 points  (6 children)

women are inherently high value (low amount of fertile ovaries)

Wouldn't that mean they're only valuable for a brief window of time?

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (2 children)

They can gain further value from the use of their ovaries by becoming mothers and grandmothers. In 'patriarchal' societies, woman are judged by the quality of men in their lives. A woman could increase their influence and status in society beyond their sexual value via having successful sons.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In a patriarchal society a woman can influence her value by her behavior (not being a slut, being a faithful and good wife) instead of having her value based solely on looks.

[–]tomysotomayorfuxboys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They can gain further value from the use of their ovaries by becoming mothers and grandmothers.

A grandmother may be influential and high status in society, but I won't be pursuing her for a romantic relationship.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Wouldn't that mean they're only valuable for a brief window of time?

Sexually, yes. It is no surprise that men are much more attracted sexually to young women (early 20s). It is also important to remember that the desire for sex is the desire to reproduce whether one consciously wants to have children or not. A woman rejecting sex with a man is her subconsciously telling him "you're genes aren't good enough to reproduce with me". However, a man rejecting a women is a much larger insult on an evolutionary basis because of the intrinsically low value of men relative to women in the dating game. The man rejecting a woman sexually is saying "it is not worth my time to reproduce with you". That is why women tend to start the panic in their late 20s/early 30s, because their window of opportunity is quickly closing.

[–]1Dis_mah_mobile_one 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Their peak value is shorter than men's yes. Ideally by mid 30s onward a woman would have value adding things besides beauty, like a family or even a career once her children are relatively self sufficient.

But the need to be included in the group never ever goes away for the overwhelming majority of women.

[–]Ninja_Wizard_69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The rate of miscarriage significantly increases as women age past their sexual prime

[–]through_a_ways 5 points6 points  (1 child)

(low amount of fertile ovaries)

hilariously incorrect terminology there. You mean ova or eggs.

[–]jckiker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He didn't say "ovaries", he said "fertile ovaries".

[–]ProspectiveQuant -5 points-4 points  (5 children)

Kind of makes no sense then. How can you find value internally when there is zero internal value to find?...

I strongly disagree with this. We all secretly know that men's value is 100% external. How much money does he have, how hot is he perceived by others, etc...

[–]FrameWalker 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You're right should have written men find validation internally and women find validation externally

[–]ProspectiveQuant -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

What does that mean really? Like you feel validated based on your own metrics for things, rather than the metrics other people create?

[–]Lord_NShYH 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There is no need to "feel" validated based on your internal metrics when you're taking care of course, leveling up as a man, etc. Why? Because you know you're better, and this can be proved objectively.

Otherwise, it just hubris.

Loners have an instinctive understanding of themselves as self-created wonders.

[–]ProspectiveQuant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know what you mean? If you objectively improve...then a feeling of validation follows...that's how validation works isn't it?

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (3 children)

Don't feed the trolls. Most are attention whores, dying for a man to speak to em

[–]ozn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

couldnt agree more. they just like to talk. let them and you are there eternally.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Attention whores need more "shut your mouth woman. quit being ridiculous. go to your room"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I prefer giving them silence. They want nothing more than my time. Im way more good-looking and interesting than any man in their real life

[–]OKJaded 10 points11 points  (7 children)

It's an interesting scenario I'm having a hard time picturing the end game to.

You tell her she's a loser. She'll come back with reasons X, Y, Z. (Job, degree, friends). She will be attempting to qualify herself to you. You fire back wit a "those are all great, but they are not you" or a "you're trying to sell me a car when I'm looking to buy a motorcycle. It's just not going to happen"

I'd be interested in seeing some field reports. It's interesting because loser has such a loose definition it really means nothing and just lets her hamster kick into overdrive about any insecurity she has.

[–]1REDPILLRECKONING[S] 10 points11 points  (6 children)

I never use it matter of factly, you're asking for a fight if you do it like that. I use it alot when a girl is being a little cutsie and is already trying to impress me very subtly. If she is already creating that polarity then jump on it and amplify it with a "Jesus Christ you're a loser" 1/10th of a smile so she knows you aren't blasting her for no reason

Calibration is tough, there is no trying when it comes to coming off as a natural. You have to go full on confident, there is no faking it.

You can use it if a girl is being a complete arrogant piece of shit too. Girls like this LOVE getting called out, blasted, mocked etc etc. The second she opens up about her personal life, go after her, start chopping away at her bullshit interests (if it's instagram and yoga, not if she's a research scientist who saves pandas), mock her, call her a loser and a nerd (I love calling girls nerds). You basically want to Alpha Male of the Group (AMOG) her without her feeling bad about herself. (Don't back down with these bitches)

I could talk about this all day but I'm hoping you get the idea. Seduction can be very intricate if you're into getting good at it.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Women speak indirectly. They insinuate insults. You have to insinuate she's a loser with womanese

[–]ProspectiveQuant -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

The bitch thing is obvious... but I don't get how it works with a nice normal girl.

I guess I just meet very different women from the ones ya'll meet. Last night I seemed to impress a new woman pretty highly just by taking an interest in all of the things she does.

I have no idea how to call this woman a loser, she basically calls herself one somehow though. It's very odd. She's 21, but owns her own medical marijuana clinic, is 1 of only 2 psychopharmcology consultants in the State of California for the LA/OC area (took the pharmacy license exam without even going to pharmacy school and just talked her way into the job), sold off a patent for a luxury facial wash earlier this year, and invests in stocks casually making money on every trade somehow... she does something else, too, but I can't even remember it at the moment.

Not only that, but she doesn't want kids, prefer casual, non-exclusive sexual relationships because of her limited time due to all her business stuff...

She goes to the gym every day, and likes rock climbing. She hates clubbing. But has pretty solid taste in food, and generally enjoys quiet, mature activities.

It does not seem like anything Red Pill would work on her except ordering her around and generally making decisions for her. Which I did, and which was well-received.

But idk how to go about calling such a person a loser.

I guess according to TRP a woman like this shouldn't even exist though. So maybe she's secretly a man...idk

[–]jckiker 1 point2 points  (1 child)

[–]ProspectiveQuant -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well as long as he has a vagina, I guess I'm fine with it.

[–]Lunchbox_Larry 1 points1 points [recovered]

Great! You gonna lock this unicorn down?

Cause odds are, if you ain't about to, no one else is likely to either.

Because sure as shit, 10 years will go by, and all her masculine achievements you seem so enamored by will seem far less cute to her. "I'm tired of all this competition! Where can I find a good man to finally support me?"

Fair or not women need a man. They all do. Not hundreds of men over a decade of dinner dates and fuckin. Sure she can get one for a night or two, but the problem is these "good girls" are becoming irrevocably broken by all this.

In ten years I'll wager that you'll still be doing alright. Check her out on facebook in 10 years time and see if she's still the same person.

[–]ProspectiveQuant -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah who knows I guess.

She already owns her own house, and she explicitly doesn't want to be exclusive with anyone.

She paid for the majority of our date, the polar opposite of most entitled bitches.

idk what to make of it really.

I can't imagine her ever needing anyone to support her, as she's already financially independent at the age of 21, but I guess who knows.

Waiting a decade to see the results is apparently my only option hah That's a lot of faith to have in the mean time.

[–]16 MGaiusScaevolus 9 points10 points  (1 child)

So why not call a woman ugly?

You leave out that sometimes, ugly may simply be untrue. Things that are objectively untrue are easy to shake off. Loser is vague enough that a lot of people secretly fear its true.

[–]JanLul 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Loser is vague enough that a lot of people secretly fear its true.

It's vague enough for people to fill in their insecurities as the meaning. People don't fear abstracts in of itself.

[–]-Quotidian 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You're describing a neg, but the concept can be applied to a nuke.

Women are very much concerned with what others think of them. The men they have sex with are a reflection of their ego--I think Patrice O'Neal articulated this when he said: "Women don't want to win, they want a winner."

If you can puzzle or tease out someone's insecurities, you've just figured out their code. You can hijack their sense of self-worth and turn them inside out. I think this was one of the 48 Laws, about thumbscrews or something. In this case, you're drawing women into your frame and getting them to qualify themselves to you instead of the reverse. Solid post.

[–]Philhelm 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The biggest loser I've ever met was a woman who was just over 30, worked at a grocery store in the early morning, was an alcoholic, and smoked weed (I'm pro legalization, but get your fucking act together first). She was decent looking and thin, but you could tell that she was about to slam into the wall, and she was a complete and utter bitch. She once told me that I was privileged to be fucking her. This was before I found TRP, but I laughed in her face.

The morning after a New Year's party, I was going to drive my friend home and we were still groggy, shielding our eyes from the cruel sun. She seemed as chipper as could be, and exclaimed that she was going to have Bloody Mary's with her friend, before noon no less.

What's funny, is that I ended up with someone who used to work at the grocery store with her. I ended up going to one of her friend's wedding (who also worked at the same store back in the day), at the head table. The loser showed up with some guy in his 40's and he had to take her home since she got so drunk (this was a mid-day reception). She never came to the head table to say anything to the bride. Heh.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 9 points10 points  (1 child)

An interesting thing leading out of this is the whole realm of the female hierarchy, and hivemind. We don't often touch on this directly. The importance of belonging, fitting-in, the hierarchy dynamics, what they measure for their relative success, etc. Food for thought?

[–]1REDPILLRECKONING[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's what I was trying to get across as subtly as possible. I've never really thought women are evil, but the level of conditioning that gets placed on them is insane. They aren't taught to value their contributions to society, they aren't taught to be the hero of their own story.


Men learn this shit through sports, through fighting, through rejection... And in a society where women are catered to, treated like princesses, of course they are going to be hivemind. We can't just expect them to grow the balls to fight the fucking system, we have to make it the fucking standard.

[–]Ninja_Wizard_69 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Women call men losers so much that I'm fairly certain that they are projecting. They don't want to be called losers, so they call men losers.

"Psychological projection"

[–]livelearndiee 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Can confirm, back when I didn't realize keeping frame is essential to save time and energy by avoiding useless conflict, and got real with my sister when she was being a bitch, absolutely nothing I said to her got through to her, no input of mine was relevant to her "I'm gonna act like high school is forever" life, but then when I said "Goddamit no wonder you're single!" out came the attention whoring "My life is so hard..." Facebook statuses, not to mention her inbox most likely filled up with all the guys trying to dick her down talk to her about feelings.

[–]Uptonogood 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Man, there's few things sadder than seeing a single woman's facebook timeline. The desperation reeks through every post, and ironically is also a huge turnoff for any man with the slightest amount of self respect.

You should see near valentines days then, the huge amount of "I don't need no man" posts and cute images with text is pathetic.

If you really don't care as much as you say, why is almost everything you post is about it?

[–]livelearndiee 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Especially when those valentines day posts consist of #SingleMom #Independent and a billion other hashtags (I'm a little disgusted at myself just for typing those) and a shot of her and the kid, yet the dad getting fucked over for it all is nowhere to be seen.

[–]Glassland 1 point2 points  (2 children)

And all the pictures about how much she does stuff and loves her little puppy dog. It's so obvious to everyone that those are replacements for nonexistent children.

[–]Nebulose11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I prefer to call out the ones that talk about how awesome it is to be a mom. Bitch you see your kids on holidays when your mom lets you.

[–]livelearndiee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know we're having a field day with this but when you said "pictures about how much she does stuff" reminds me of how I confirm if my sister actually went to the gym, she posts a picture of it on social media, if she didn't post a "motivational picture" or a selfie at the gym mirror, she's off with chad, we go to the same gym and she is nowhere to be seen when I arrive a few minutes after she is supposedly there.

"How was the gym?"


"I bet"

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's because insults are only effective if the target finds that term to be insulting. Conversely; people use insults against others that they would find insulting when applied to themselves. That's why girls call you loser.

It's also why the worst thing you can call an SJW is Normie or Nazi.

[–]battleof_lissa 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Does the same theory hold true with those who claim to never want kids?

[–]1REDPILLRECKONING[S] 28 points29 points  (5 children)

My theory on most women who say they don't want kids is that they realize that not only would they be complete trainwreck parents, they stand no chance of finding a good partner and having happy healthy children. They start delving into this cycle of cats and belittling everything about children because they hate what they know they can never have.

This is like 95% of women who say that.

So yes the theory holds true, in fact social structure based insults probably cut ten times deeper, because these women have basically acquiesced to the fact they are failures and are now creating realities where their path is the real true path and everyone else is a fucking idiot (hamstering)

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 5 points6 points  (2 children)

If a woman doesnt want kids, there's a good chance there's something wrong with her.

[–]Nebulose11 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My wife didn't want kids. I didn't either. Until she got pregnant and had my first, then we both wanted the second.

Not wanting to raise a kid in this society was our original reasoning.

Fuck not doing something because the world sucks. The world has always sucked. Make what you are doing awesome enough that the world doesn't fucking matter!

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There's a difference between not having an urge, and not acting upon an urge based on logical reasons.

[–]battleof_lissa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good to know the other perspective from outside in, appreciate it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Does this explain, by way of projecting, their propensity to demand the man with the same social circle success?

Men clearly give few shits about female status, just her sexiness.


[–]MaxNanasy 3 points4 points  (1 child)

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I'd say loser is the biggest insult to a man. A man's value comes from being a winner, from succeeding, from building an empire, from dominating in a position of power.

I'd say slut is the biggest insult to a woman. A woman's value comes from her power to breed, her choice of sexual partners, and... oh yeah that's about it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

i read (probably even on RP) that "desperate" is the most insulting word for women. Not sure if insulting is in the eye of the beholder or one word actually is the worst.

[–]frys180 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Calling a woman a desperate slut would be the worst insult.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

But slut implies that many guys are willing to mate - which is a compliment compared to desperate.

[–]Newdist2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

slut implies that many guys are willing to mate

No it doesn't. It just means she's willing to spread her legs a lot.


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you don't know women. When women joke to each other how much of a slut they are they are priding themselves in how many guys they get in bed compared to a large number if women who can't because they are invisible being over 35 or less than a HB3 all their life. While they intentionally omit the details of the quality of the guys they attract there is nohing more horrible than not finding a boyfriend or at least an orbiter.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But if you're trying to get inside her pants, calling her a slut before you're actually already fucking her is rarely the best thing to do.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your best allies in these situations can be her female friends. The more time she spends with them, the more desperate she becomes for a man, and they more they cut down her internal sense of security.

[–]ConvoyCrowns -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Who doesn't desire group acceptance? I am a little underwhelmed.

[–]Dravous 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I desire it. I also desire this new hunting knife I've been looking at. regardless of which we're talking about, if I don't get it then meh. for women, if they don't get group acceptance they feel like curling up on the floor to die.

there is a significant difference in importance.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

how old were the women you used this on?

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I have this vague sense that women generally are responsible for maintaining the social status quo.