490
491
492

Red Pill TheoryAlpha vs Beta Traits (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by lovethebottoms

I came across this post that had helped me 1 year ago when I started picking up on seduction. I used this to improve myself , I know that it'll help others too , especially the new ones.

Summary : A list of comprehensive traits regarding on beta vs alpha behaviour. Find out what tendencies you have.


Beta male: Makes excuses. Every time there's something he can't do, he has an excuse, and feels like he needs to explain it to those around him.

Alpha male: Never puts the blame on someone else. He always faces his obstacles head on regardless of the odds of success. He never complains about problems, but aggressively works to find solutions to them. If there is something he doesn't want to do - as opposed to can't do - he offers no explanation. Roller coasters? Nah, thats' not me. Let's do something cool instead.

Tip: Be on the lookout for the phrase: “I can’t do this because…” You don't make excuses. Not only to other people, but especially yourself. When there is blame to go around - blame yourself for your failures. Why? Because you are acknowledging that you have the power - if you are the reason something is not being done, then you have the power to fix it. The mindset that evolves is that you control not only your shortcomings, but your successes.

Beta male: Needs affirmation from others. Is obssessed with how others think of him.

Alpha male: Doesn't give a sh*t what others think. This makes him very attractive. Simply be confident about how others perceive you. You will act accordingly. Anyone who looks down on you is most likely jealous, and also not worth your time. You do not have time for people who are counter-productive to your self-improvement.

Beta male: Talks fast, always seems to be nervous or in a rush.

Alpha male: Talks slowly, and in deeper tones. His movements are smooth. Translation: You are in control of your life.

Tip: Before you walk in anywhere - catch yourself. Slow down - catch your breath and then make it look like you are walking through water. As stated earlier, begin to create an image of smoothness and you will naturally start to become smoother.

Beta male: Lives life by the day not really knowing what he wants. Will waste time on the couch, rather than doing something productive. He is lazy and passive.

Alpha male: Lives life passionately. He has goals - and is focused on his goals and dreams and tears down any barriers in-between.

Tip: You must find a goal you want to achieve, or create one. Even if it's simply to get better with women. Have something that when those "lay on the couch" moments present themselves, you can say, "I will do something to work toward my goal of ________ instead."

Beta male: Gives up when he fails. Sees no point in trying and is fearful of facing failure again.

Alpha male: Failing at anything is only a mistake if you do not learn from it. Repeating failed behavior is insane - learning from failed behavior and trying something new is alpha. Failure is only a minor setback to you. You can look forward to failure because first of all, you are moving forward by trying something new - and second, the sooner you can learn from his mistakes and succeed. Tip: If what you are doing (like, with women for example) isn't working, you must be open to try something new. This always feeds your adventurous side - something women love.

Beta male: Uses the word, "sorry" a lot - even when it doesn't belong in the conversation. He apologizes to others because he feels he might have offended them somehow.

Alpha male: Will not apologize for his desires and beliefs. alphas do apologize, but only when they truly believe theyshould - not to try and make others feel better.

Beta male: Believe it or not - he has a big ego. But it backfires on him because he is too sensitive and insecure regarding everyone's opinion of him. So he constantly is trying to prove himself by qualifying - or stating his qualifications.

Alpha male: Never feels like he must prove himself. His ego is his ally. Here is the truth: Big egos are a result of low-esteem, lack of control over emotion, and too many female feelings. A man who is truly confident in himself never needs to lash out at someone who insulted his ego.

Beta male: Always searching for approval and attention.

Alpha male: Does not seek attention - and therefore always gets it. But know that you can always be the most powerful presence in any room or situation. Why? People need to be led. That's why leaders are few, followers are many. Tip - Don't feel the need to entertain a room full of women with displays of this and that. Betas are often clamoring for attention yet can never get enough - and alphas never want attention yet get too much. In a room with a bunch of beta males and a bunch of girls you will notice how the girls respond to the alpha. He's cool and laid back - the girls all turn their heads to him. The beta needs to constantly entertain them.

Beta male: Will never admit to his faults and mistakes.

Alpha male: Is not afraid to face his faults and overcome his failures. Admission is the first step to solving a personal setback or problem.

Beta male: Gets jealous really easily when he sees his girl talking or flirting with another guy.

Alpha male: Is supremely confident in his ability and status. If his girlfriend is talking to other guys, he goes to talk with other girls. He laughs at the thought of his girlfriend choosing another guy over him.

Tip: If "she" is talking to another guy, or obviously trying to get your dander up - simply tell her and the guy, "You guys would make an great couple!" And then go talk to some women.

Beta male: Easily blows his stack. He loses his temper when someone else criticizes him or when a girl disrespects him. (aka lose frame)

Alpha male: Is a complete picture of cool. He never loses his composure. If something upsets him, he shows his disapproval of it without getting mad or whining.

Tip: If she tries to get you into a fight, simply leave. Don't react emotionally. It's on her, and she has no control over you or your mood.

Beta male: If he loses his girl, he loses all hope in life and thinks that he cannot live without "the one" - her.

Alpha male: In the unlikely event that a woman leaves an alpha, he simply loves that there are thousands of other girls just as good or better than the girl who dumped him. His life is not centered around one girl, and he has no problem moving on. Tip: If you have options (other women) she is not only less-likely to break your heart, but less likely to leave.

Beta male: Did he take a shower? Did he get dressed in the dark? It's like he is always messy, dirty, or poorly groomed.

Alpha male: Is always dressed to kill, and groomed well. He has superior etiquette. Think: James Bond.

Tip: When you know you took the time to look better, you are happier and thus exude more confidence.

Beta male: Is afraid to meet new people.

Alpha male: Is ready to meet new people.

Beta male: Poor body language - slouches. He stands and sits uncomfortably, as if he is nervous.

Alpha male: Takes up space whenever he sits down or rests. Is in control of his surroundings. Nothing surprises or startles him. There is a ton of information on body language in the Alpha Life series of audio training from Modern Male Lifestyle.

Beta male: Looks to quickly get into a relationship, as if he is desperate for a girlfriend.

Alpha male: Is not only not desperate for women, he is never desperate for anything. When you are not desperate for women's attention or affection, it's implied that you have plenty of it - which puts you at ease, and excites women.

Beta male: Is a pushover with women. He is willing to commit to a woman as soon as they give him the greenlight.

Alpha male: Is a challenge with women. He does not throw himself at them. Ever.

Beta male: Becomes wide-eyed when he sees someone do something

Alpha male: Is never impressed. He may give credit where it’s due, but he doesn't go ape-shit because someone did something impressive. Act like you've been around in the world before.

Beta male: Women are his number one priority.

Alpha male: Believe it or not - an Alpha Male's number one priority is never women, or a woman.


Lessons learned

1* Read the whole post , I can't summarize all the goodies in it , here are some takeaways that I personally found to be true.

  1. There are no 100% pure alphas or 100% pure betas. Each one of us has a tendency to one or the other. It mostly depends on how you were educated and in what type of familiy/society you were raised in.
  2. Accept and thank your parents for the way they raised you , wether it was bad or good , stop puting the blame on them. They raised you the way they tought it'll benefit you , even though in most cases it was totally the opposite. You are a man now , stop finding excuses (I'm too short , I'm bald , I was raised this way , I can't change ) , no , you just have a weak mind. Strenghten your mind , strenghten your body and become who you want to.

  3. "If a girl wants to fuck you , she will find ways to fuck you no matter what" , bet you heard that before. It is also true for everything you wholeheartedly want "If you want to become a fucking man , you will do it no matter what , you will surpass the lows , you will forge your manliness in hard times and you'll keep on doing your shit. Stop being so fucking influenced by what others say. You are your own ship. Big fucking ships don't swtich their direction at the smallest wind. They survive storms , they improve themselves in order to become the best fucking ships on the sea.


[–]WellHungMan 272 points273 points  (48 children)

It seems like my autistic friend who couldn't care less about women or what other people think is the most alpha guy I know. Neat.

[–]RationalGaze_ 99 points100 points  (21 children)

My wife left me for an autistic man

[–]trpftw 39 points40 points  (8 children)

Your wife was an idiot. You should thank that autistic man.

[–]evil_whitey 24 points25 points  (6 children)

"My wife left me for an autistic man"

LMAO, this is why people criticize and think TRP is a joke. I've been Rp'ed for over a year and a half, and this is exactly the kind of shit why.

[–]smoothhands 12 points13 points  (5 children)

It is a joke lol

That list above was made by a beta for betas lol

[–]Iceman3514 4 points4 points [recovered]

wait so was this guy really left for an autistic man? I'm confused and pretty fuckin scared right now

[–]Glassland 11 points12 points  (7 children)

I have a friend who is an Asperger Autist. He's living from welfare, plays Piano but is still Alpha. Maybe not as much as other guys, but he has it in him.

[–]Moneyley 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Vladimir Putin has Asperger's and he's alpha as fuck

[–][deleted] 31 points31 points

[permanently deleted]

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (1 child)

He probably ate an asperger once. So he has it in him, somewhere.

[–]tenjed 1 point2 points  (2 children)

[–][deleted] 8 points8 points

[permanently deleted]

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My wife left for an acoustic man

[–]trpftw 16 points17 points  (10 children)

When we summarize traits of alphas and betas. It tends to be more nuanced than described. People just can't always write it up perfectly.

e.g.

An Alpha: Always doing fun things, women aren't his priority, he does what he enjoys, and he gets women to enjoy it with him, even perhaps teaching it to them, making them feel great about trying something new.

An Autistic/aspergers: Always doing fun things, women aren't his priority, he does what he enjoys, and he rarely does anything to get women to enjoy it with him. He might even be annoyed by the woman and putting them down for trying it and sucking at it.

A beta: Sometimes doing fun things, women are his priority, he does what he enjoys, but he asks women what they enjoy and tries to relate to what they enjoy. He gets his guy friends only to do fun stuff with him.

It's quite a science (ok fine it's an art), where even women often confuse, alphas, with autistics, with betas. Hence shit-tests, comfort-tests, empathy-tests, fitness tests, et al.

When you see someone summarizing alpha/beta traits, you gotta watch out because what is described and what it is, can be quite different.

I've seen some advice written in TRP as oversimplified as: "Oh yeah, you should just tease a girl when she does this..." A beta will take it the wrong way, and the girl will get offended. An alpha, will understand it, and do it in a playful tone with smiling and if he realizes she is pissed, can make a joke to disarm, and the girl finds it attractive.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 4 points5 points  (6 children)

It's quite a science (ok fine it's an art), where even women often confuse, alphas, with autistics, with betas. Hence shit-tests, comfort-tests, empathy-tests, fitness tests, et al.

In an unrelated subreddit, I recently read a conversation in which people couldn't agree whether the character Archer is alpha, autistic, or sociopathic.

[–]trpftw 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Exactly. Dating/meeting-up-in-public-places exists solely for women to essentially determine, analyze, judge, and categorize you as a man.

Also though, the reason a cartoon character may be harder to define is because of multiple writers writing their own personalities into Archer. Depending on the situation, he will act alpha, autistic, or sociopathic, whatever is more funny for the situation.

Jon Hamm's character in Mad Men for example, is more consistently alpha. Because there's a group of women writers (yes that's why Mad Men is such a chick flick) who all solely exist to write alpha characteristics to Jon Hamm's character, as well as the occasional vulnerability / fault.

[–]Zachar1a 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm surprised that the women writers didn't end up creating a nice guy character whom they would then claim to be attracted to.

[–]trpftw -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

ikr. They want a guy who is honest but bad.

[–]truchisoft 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's not what you say, is how you say it

[–]MonkeyDFreecs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From what I read Autistic/Asperger's guys would be more along the lines of Zeta male rankings.

[–]richardguy 9 points9 points [recovered]

As a literal autist struggling with this on a campus.... how do I become this man?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A ton of women think Rainman is sexy as fuck....

Just saying.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you count your cards right...

[–]ledankmememan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Comments like this make me glad I live in a time period with Internet.

[–]thewrongkindaguyff7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahaha aint that the truth

[–]MonkeyDFreecs -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

I think Autistic/Asperger's Syndrome guys would be more along the lines of Zeta Males.

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (15 children)

Although a good starting list for beginners, this can almost be seen as the tail wagging the dog. What do I mean? The act of being alpha means not living how other people tell you. By following a list of endorsed AlphaTraitsTM you have already failed.

The path to manhood is long, bloody, and for non-naturals like many of us here, will require a huge time investment reading on old school philosophies of stoicism, machiavellianism and so on. Learn to think independenlty, learn how people/society works and then develop your own system of principles. Then all of this autocorrects naturally. This is the only way to develop true frame that you will keep regardless of whether you 'make it' or not. With correct frame, abundance follows and the rest is history.

An example for those who need it: Always dressed to kill? I think you underestimate certain people who excel at vagabond game, if you will. Dressing well is certainly good advice for many situations, but can come off as try hard in the wrong. This paints a general picture that many people misinterpret in this sub. Most of the advice given is situational. How will you know what to do in what situations? Frame my friends. Develop a solid operating system and you won't need to remember arbitrary rules.

Again this advice [EDIT: i.e., OP's post] is good for faking it until you make it. Remember, being alpha means being a leader of men; not just an act. You must fight to throw away the crutches in the mid to long term. Good luck.

[–]dwarf_wookie 13 points14 points  (7 children)

In both animals and humans, alpha males are the pack leaders. In animals, they have the most relatives in the pack, they are the largest, the most skilled hunters and best providers.

For humans, they are the coalition builders, they have the largest network of supporters, they hear about problems first and they have the connections and favors owed to solve them. This is the "Big Man" theory of anthropology - leaders provide wealth and stability to their followers.

What you're describing as an alpha is an omega - one who lives outside civilization, owes nothing to anyone and is owed nothing. They're the renegades, the lone wolves. That's also appealing to women and female wolves, and it's great to be free and without ties, but they will never be in charge of anything.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Outstanding reply, this has given me a lot to think about. However in my defence I wasn't thinking necessarily of a 'player-alpha' - I meant more a man in general who was his own master; so not so much a social alpha, as just using the 'alpha' label to represent a man with his shit together. [EDIT - I recognise I used the phrase 'leader of men'. By this I meant more the alpha you describe, although I admit my strict understanding is weaker than I thought.] So I need to reexamine my use of language at the very least.

[–]Monkey_Jerk 3 points4 points  (2 children)

What you're describing as an alpha is an omega - one who lives outside civilization, owes nothing to anyone and is owed nothing. They're the renegades, the lone wolves. That's also appealing to women and female wolves, and it's great to be free and without ties, but they will never be in charge of anything.

Isn't that Sigma? Every description I've read of Omega males is that they're lower than betas, outcasts basically.

[–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep, he's referring to the Sigma. Omega is your garden variety neckbearded bitch boy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always fancied myself a bit of a sigma anyway. A lot of different philosophies make use of various archetypes, and I think really it just takes different types of people to keep society going, and you should follow the one that seems authentic to you. By definition, we can't all be social leaders.

[–]agamnon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This sub conflates being alpha with being your best self. I don't want to be anything like the alpha you described. I'd rather be (and very much am) an omega. Why the fuck would I want a wife and kids or a mortgage and dog?

[–]RageLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because dogs are awesome!

Kids, wife, mortgage....those things are overrated (in my humble opinion).

[–]RageLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but they will never be in charge of anything.

They're in charge of themselves and their own lives, aren't they?

[–]QuickOutlander 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Good points but I don't think this is so much a list of traits that you are required to follow as it is starting guidelines for people who don't know where to begin with themselves. These probably shouldn't be followed closely but used to get guys going in the right direction to developing a frame.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I respect your reply, but I feel this is essentially what I said; perhaps I need to examine my tone.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're absolutely right in that 'what makes an alpha' isn't a contract with a certain number of clauses that need to be read / internalized. The post is a great one though, and offers a lot of food for thought for any guy who wants to change for the better.

It's more than enough for a starting point.

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points

[permanently deleted]

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I see and respect where you're coming from, but I still stand about building an adaptable frame. A lot of this is situational. As I conceded, it makes great training wheels. Perhaps I was too harsh in tone - I wouldn't go as far to say it was bad advice.

[–]OFF_THE_DEEP_END 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well said. I'm picking up stoicism now and it's changing my life. Growing into an alpha male position takes hard work.

[–]scorned 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Your chick talks to a guy. "You guys would make a great couple!" Goes and talks to other women.

Definitely not passive-aggressive at all.

[–]spj36 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No only that, but it shows to her that she can control you by doing certain actions. This is beta mentality. A better response is to leave her alone doing her thing especially if she's trying to get some reaction out of you. Talk to other women if you feel like it. You have better goals than trying to get reactions out of people.

[–]Glassland -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Doesn't translate that way to me. It rather shows abundance mentality.

You know that your girl won't leave you for some fucktard, but showing that even if she would, you don't care, because there are equal or better options out there for you gives you value and makes her submissive to you. She doesn't want to lose you, just tease you and see what you are made of in the face of pressure. It's a shit test.

[–]scorned 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In my opinion, nothing needs to be said. If you see her talking to a guy and you sense she may be shit testing you, you don't need to say anything. You just go and talk to other women. Saying something passive-aggressive like "you two look like you would make a great couple" is a sure fire way to let her know you're not impervious to her shit tests, and something she could use against you later on.

[–]Gravityflexo 61 points62 points  (30 children)

Alphas are never impressed? I just don't get this one, I know cockiness and arrogance are traits, but how can you not be impressed we sent a rover to mars or sequenced the human genome.

[–]1Snivellious 29 points30 points  (1 child)

I think this is wildly overselling a good idea. Overreacting to things is bad whether your reaction is positive or negative. Further, responding to someone else's abilities with shock implies your own inability.

Beyond that, though... acting unimpressed when you shouldn't just looks stupid. If someone does something truly remarkable, don't be the guy going "Oh, I could do that. I just don't feel like it." He's not alpha, he's an insecure jerk who can't let anyone else be better than him at anything.

Being confident means that you can respect the achievements of others without feeling threatened. Being passionate means that you can feel true awe about world-shaping things like sequencing the genome. If you're genuinely after self-improvement, that starts with respect for excellence in all it's forms.

[–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Overreaction" is the key word here. There's a difference between calmly expressing admiration, and going apeshit.

[–]-The-Prestige- 5 points5 points [recovered]

The way I see this is the interactions between Calvin Candy and Django in Django Unchained. Candy was very interested in Django, and dare I say, impressed with his behavior and the way he handled himself. But he didn't go all "OO AH" over it. He held himself in reserved, and watched Django with a careful eye. That's what I think he means when he says, "Alphas are never impressed." They are, but they don't swoon over it like a woman would.

[–]Gravityflexo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's a good analogy, I'd mostly agree with it. He probably also isn't showing his emotion because he's trying to make a deal as well. Like if you go to a pawn shop and they show you are rare coin you know to be worth 10 grand and they are selling it for 3 grand, you don't want to shuts how excited you are because they might get wise and raise the price. I bet candy would let out a yehaw when django won a fight off he owned him out right

[–]the_number_2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If I understand you right, it's less "Oh wow, I wish I could do/be/say that" and more "I respect the work it takes to do that/be like that"

[–]JaegerpilotMax 3 points3 points [recovered]

I think the simple answer there is that alphas just don't give a fuck unless something is effecting them immediately/directly

I think it should be updated that an alpha's number one priority is usually them self

[–]trpftw 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I don't find it too accurate.

Alphas do get impressed and can compliment people when they genuinely feel it. They are secure in themselves and can be honest about their opinions. They make people around them feel great about themselves, giving very strong positive feedback when someone does something impressive. The person is then impressed with how much recognition they get from the alpha. That's what most humans desperately crave: being recognized.

Betas get impressed too, but they try to hide it, they try to qualify themselves to pretend they are better than that. They don't give credit to anyone because of their own insecurities and ego.

Alphas do not ignore their own priorities and desires. But that doesn't mean they are narcissists who don't care about others.

Betas are narcissists, they think they are acting alpha by always bragging, trying to prove themselves (approval-seeking), and compensating for their own insecurities. They are passive-aggressively lashing out at people who criticize or confront them.

OP seems to agree with me on many of this but then contradicts himself with the impress part. I think the confusion comes from "well alphas are IDGAF attitude, so they wouldn't be impressed by others"... not true. If you dont give a fuck, then you don't really mind expressing your true feelings about someone doing something impressive. The only reason people act like they aren't impressed by something, is because they feel insecure and un-confident in themselves, so they don't wanna boost anyone elses' ego. They wanna keep the egos of those around them equivalent to their own. So they avoid complimenting/praising anyone.

Now let me phrase this carefully: there are people-pleasing betas, who will compliment/overpraise everyone for non-impressive things. And it comes off as dishonest and disingenuous. Sometimes it comes off as desperate, like as if you are desperately trying to be their biggest fan.

[–]ruboski 2 points2 points [recovered]

I find your comment interesting, and, very accurate.

I think that the OP, whilst having good intentions, became a little too absorbed in the idea of 'alpha' being an asshole jock sort of character, and forgot that alpha can also be benevolent - the benevolent alpha.

Just because one approves and supports others around him, doesn't make that individual lesser to the others. Alpha isn't always necessarily "being the best".

[–]trpftw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah indeed. There are multiple ways to be alpha, and so it can sometimes be contradicting if you mix up the traits.

There are categories of it in a way.

[–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Betas are narcissists, they think they are acting alpha by always bragging, trying to prove themselves (approval-seeking), and compensating for their own insecurities.

In short, betas behave like women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you're confusing an alpha with a narcissist, which have a lot of overlapping similarities but are not the same thing.

I would modify OPs post to add that alphas are not easily impressed. I've see a lot of very alpha people genuinely impressed at things or at others input, even when it's not related to them or their interests. They don't go bat shit crazy when people do pretty regular ordinary stuff though.

[–]-Blixx- 2 points2 points [recovered]

This is a lesson long ago learned in the gym.
If the other guy does a world record lift, there is one and only one correct comment: "That's strong."
Simple acknowledgement.

[–]MrChillBroBaggins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Straight to the point, I like it. Stuff like this keeps me browsing trp.

[–]MisterBlox 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I understand it as you've seen it all, so nothing fazes you, or impress you.

[–]Gravityflexo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, it's why I said things that have never happened before, the new advances in science. The mars rover and sequencing the genome are just which ones came to mind.

[–]Keninishna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think never surprised. Like alphas are aware of the capabilities of humans.

[–]DennisReynoldsAMA 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I think he's referring to things happening around you at the moment. Keep your cool don't act surprised or amazed.

[–]Gravityflexo 5 points6 points  (2 children)

That just not a good idea, imo. Expressing yourself is a great way to maintain a healthy and positive attitude. Keeping it bottled in, is a great way to breed bitterness.

[–]RollJaysCU 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think what he's trying to say in the post is that you should acknowledge, and give credit, when someone does something amazing. As a soccer fan, I am in awe of what some of those guys do; however, that doesn't mean I'm going to lose my shit when I see something really cool done. I'll acknowledge it as being incredible, yes, but I will still remain cool and collected, so that I am obviously in full control of myself and emotions. Seems like more of a point of self control and not trying to please that person too hard with your praise of them.

[–]Gravityflexo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree that's the probably his point, seems boring though. Especially in the context of sports like you said, I think you can still be alpha and have fun by jumping up and cheering when someone scores a game winning touchdown it hits a buzzer beater

[–]Pathfinder24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But that's bullshit though. Alphas don't act that way.

[–]jdoe5 1 points1 points [recovered]

The difference is how they take it. A beta mindset will see someone impress them and put them on a pedestal, like the way tween girls fangirl over one direction. An alpha mindset will see someone impress them and see them as now competent, like "okay wow they can actually do that, they can join the club" sorta mentality.

Brings it back to whether you naturally feel above or below people.

[–]Gravityflexo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's saying that you can do everything anyone else can, which just isn't true. When in the rare circumstance you actually can do what the person did, no one like the person who mind set is, that's cool but I've been doing that forever or I can do it better. Also, not all betas put them on a pedestal, like tweens looking at maps or whatever your taking about with directions, they would just recognize skill where it's due and act accordingly.

And how can you say that an alpha would just say, that's competent? We were talking about things that have never even been accomplished before, like sequencing the genome. Then they'd say join the team, come on dude, that is just ridiculous. There is no team to join when it's world news that advances science.

[–]babyboi12 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Really, what 'be never-impressed' means is you should always have an "is that it?"-type of personality. For instance:

"We sent a rover to the moon, Billy!" "Is that all? I see authors cooking up stuff about galactic battles with aliens already!"

[–]Gravityflexo 4 points5 points  (1 child)

But that just make you a dick. I think u/snivellious said it best.

[–]1Snivellious 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks - I really don't buy the idea that it's somehow alpha to undermine the successes of others without a good reason. Insecurity shows, and it gets in the way of learning from the best skills of others.

[–]A_Becker 14 points15 points  (4 children)

I've got a lot of work to do...

[–]razorwan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Same, but recognizing that we need to change is the first step towards a better tomorrow

[–]jaredschaffer27 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Alpha response to not living up to said list: "I've got a lot of work to do." Beta response: "This list is fucking bullshit, it's not my fault my parents raised me this way."

[–]night-addict 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, there's nothing wrong with healthy critique of anything, as long as you don't show emotional investment.

[–]wang601 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Big fucking ships don't swtich their direction at the smallest wind. They survive storms , they improve themselfs in order to become the best fucking ship on the sea.

Best advice out of all of that. Thanks!

[–]NeoreactionSafe 6 points7 points  (2 children)

All mammals imitate... we are monkey see, monkey do creatures.

Our Western system emotionally indoctrinates us through the media into the stereotypical beta male. We are being "programmed" by the Matrix to be beta by default.

Your first task is to recognize that this has happened and that being a beta is a terrible deal for you.

Your second task is to imitate better role models who have masculine traits which generally go by the term "Alpha" here.

The final and most important task is to realize how much we instinctively imitate.

Self awareness is the endpoint of this process when you recognize that you actually do imitate others and accept this as human nature.

So it's a full process... but it begins with Kill the Beta.

...just stop imitating those stupid tv characters.

Red Pill is a kind of deprogramming.

.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Our mating patterns have changed to the fiddler crab. A beach full of thirsty males waving their claws waving for a single female attention. The female picks the biggest claw to mate with. If current alpha is taken, she settles for the 2nd best.

"She was never yours, just your turn"

Look at social media. Men are fiddler crabs on tinder and social media.

[–]livelearndiee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, this is a trait that could be added,

Alpha trait: Constantly sharpen your views and ideas,

because you never know when your ego might have accepted irrational ideas, or when you have fallen victim (I don't like using that word, but like you said, by default, we imitated) to a western society that brainwashes you into thinking oneitis is "cute" and females should not be held accountable for their actions.

Beta trait: Accept ideas forever with little to no processing.

The little processing being "because everybody else accepts this idea, so I will too." or "People will dislike me if I don't accept this idea!"

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I have both alpha and beta traits!

[–]austrologi 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Yeah, I think everyone does to a degree. Just a matter of being aware of your bad behaviors and correcting them.

[–]DoctorNation 9 points9 points [recovered]

Beta doesnt necessarily mean "bad" - a combination of ~80/20 (alpha/beta) is healthy especially in a LTR.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm in an LTR and I have a real urge to go philander. I don't because it is not something which I would be comfortable with at this point and I do care for my SO gasp. If I find out that she cheated or whatnot, I guess I would cross that bridge when we got to it.

[–]OFF_THE_DEEP_END 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's normal. You want to leverage your alpha traits when you're young. When you get older the position of alpha male becomes very taxing and leads to diseases. At that time, you should have sons that are emerging alpha males who will respect and care for you.

[–]Apanthropos 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good post: These rules are the recipe for starting your journey in becoming an Alpha.

However, most of those rules are ambiguous and you need experience to truly understand them. Reading them now, will have a different meaning, if you read them a year later. You will need to update them when the time comes.

Furthermore, it is still a map and not the actual terrain. When you stop relying on the map to get where you want, you will be a true alpha.

Learn to enjoy the process instead of putting rules and regulations on what you should and shouldn't do.

[–]hunkE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beta male: reads lists on how to "act" like an alpha

[–]Ibex3D 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Never puts the blame on someone else. He always faces his obstacles head on regardless of the odds of success. He never complains about problems, but aggressively works to find solutions to them. If there is something he doesn't want to do - as opposed to can't do - he offers no explanation. Roller coasters? Nah, thats' not me. Let's do something cool instead.

Does anyone find this hard to do? I don't really feel the need to complain about things(Except the price of my fucking school books. Gets my blood boiling lol) unless I'm drunk but I do for social reasons. I feel like there is bonding to be done over bitching about shit. A mutual dislike of things fosters companionship. Is there way to operate in these social situations without bitching but also without appearing as an outcast?

[–]Ovadox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Learn how to make a joke out of it.

[–]night-addict 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a difference between endlessly complaining about things that only matter to you and no one else, and noticing what many people are angry about and developing camaraderie with them through mutual complaint.

[–]night-addict 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a difference between endlessly complaining about things that only matter to you and no one else, and noticing what many people are angry about and developing camaraderie with them through mutual complaint.

[–]wll89a 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beta male: Uses the word, "sorry" a lot - even when it doesn't belong in the conversation.

Now you're just upsetting the Canadians.

[–]tortilla_tanplana 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Trying to be alpha is the biggest beta trait of all

[–]night-addict 0 points1 point  (3 children)

How so? You make a controversial point; I'd like to hear what you mean by it.

[–]tortilla_tanplana 0 points1 point  (2 children)

A great man once said:

"The Master doesn't try to be powerful, Thus he is truly powerful. The ordinary man keeps reaching for power, Thus he never has it."

Tao Te Ching, ch. 38

[–]night-addict 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Answer this, then: How did the Master become the Master? Was that not through reaching for power?

It is through toil that any man achieves greatness, is that not reaching for power?

I believe you are half-right. One's goal should not be "I want to be alpha", it should be "I want to better myself as a man." Improvement is virtuous, ambition is dubious.

However, simply accepting that the Master is the Master because he just naturally is that way ignores those who achieved power not through birth right, genetics, or luck, but through hard work.

That said, I do understand the greater scope of your idea.

[–]tortilla_tanplana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This alpha/beta concept usually backfires because people don't understand what inner strength really is. So, trying to be "alpha", they developed egos and tactics to hurt people which is actually the weakest thing you can do. Without some spiritual guidance the red pill just produces a bunch of assholes who go around shitting on people because that's "alpha".

Someone made a really good post here recently about 5 keys to abundance mentality, you should definitely check that out because it describes exactly what I'm talking about.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Post of the month? Sticky? Wow. Some of that hit hard. Seeking approval for sure. I remember this quote from "Fight Club". I know people like to hate on this movie or "American Psycho" or "Wall Street". But fuck, I grew up on this shit. It had a significant impact on my life. I wanted to emulate these people. But it is now 15 years later that I finally agree with "Tyler Durden" in regards to women.

"We're a Generation of Men raised by Women.I'm just wondering if another Woman is what we really need"

[–]Zaidaa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man, I hit a lot more beta points than I would have guessed. I got some work to do in the confidence department. Self realization is always the hardest, thanks for this post.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

at the end of the day you are still pandering to pussy. You will still do shit to impress women.

What difference does it make.

Fuck being alpha or beta or whatever else live your own life on your own terms. No need to rule a pack or be ruled by one. Do you.

[–]1rlh1271 1 point2 points  (0 children)

simply tell her and the guy, "You guys would make an great couple!

Seems like a passive aggressive statement to me. Everything else seemed solid.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We're too concerned with labels here. I was skinny, slouchy, and talked extremely fast but got laid constantly in college.

One thing I had going was that I was ludicrously overconfident, almost comically so. Also, I did lots of drugs.

[–]kadykinns 0 points1 point  (5 children)

As a woman who identifies as a rpw this is just amazing advice for any and EVERYONE. There is no reason to rely on anyone to better yourself or for your happiness. You need to make yourself happy. I really love all of these and am looking forward to applying the ones a woman should use. Thanks for the post!

[–]red_pill_throw_away 8 points9 points  (0 children)

What does you being a woman have to do with anything?

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points

[permanently deleted]

[–]kadykinns -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Lol any time I've said anything I'm trp I've been shit on because I'm a girl

[–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, I'm with you; it's good to know that we have a friend in that other world.

[–]joshsoowong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very nice love the bottoms. I can't wait to read more posts from you. I am going to add some of these lines into my RP journal. All credits to you ofc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

shows disapproval

How do I do this without sounding whiny or insulted?

[–]frys180 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You show it through calm and collected body language and voice tonality. It's not always what you say but how you say it.

[–]SwallowRP 1 points1 points [recovered]

Is "The Alpha Life" really that good? 40 bucks is pretty steep for two CDs.

[–]1Snivellious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your point about not being the center of attention touches on a pattern I've seen a lot. In a room full of people, there will be some guy in the center of things talking loudly and telling jokes. People are paying attention to him, sure, but after each joke a few (women's) heads will turn to face some other, quieter guy. They're looking to see if he has some clever extra quip, or even just to follow along with the strength of his reaction.

He's the one in control of the room. It's not about how many people are listening to you, it's about how much people care what you think.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It amazes me that I get any girls in spite of having so many beta tendencies.

[–]frys180 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Are you tall, in shape, and generally attractive? If so there's your explanation.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Short, but I do okay in the other two categories.

[–]Kharn0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quality post. This is what I like to see here, examples to follow.

Seems I have a few categories where I act beta, know I know which ones to work on.

I'd give gold, but I'm not impressed ;D

[–]mikkiebobbie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tip: Be on the lookout for the phrase: “I can’t do this because…” You don't make excuses.

I am not sure that this is realistic. In life there are times where if you do not meet certain requirements, you simply CANNOT do certain things, regardless of how Alpha you are.

[–]Red_SoloCup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I still fanboy like a little kid when I see great men. I actually played a pickup ball game with one of my childhood heroes recently and I could hardly contain myself.

[–]tpfr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excellent post, u/lovethebottoms. You said you found this list a year ago. Where did you find it?

As others have already pointed out, I don't think "Alpha vs Beta Traits" is necessarily the most accurate name for this list. To me it reads more like, "Confident Man vs Insecure Man Traits." Meaning there is more to being alpha than confidence, and more to being beta than insecurity.

Either way, it's a great metric for measuring individual progress and a great post. Keep it up.

[–]xenodit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this thread look like something straight from r/cringe.Poster must be a gamma male

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alpha male: Doesn't give a sh*t what others think. This makes him very attractive.

Could make you a neckbeard though. Yes, I speak from experience =/

[–]thewrongkindaguyff7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part of me would say this is a wrong way of thinking because it leads us to blindly follow a "statis quo" one that, as more and more time passes seems to be completely controlled by feminine ideals of superiority while the people that lead these women get to freely express all aspects of being a human being instead of being forced to "hold a frame" Freedom of expression is what we have lost in this generation, and for what? A phone? A nice car? Some good pussy that gets old eventually? I dont think the ideals of the red pill are getting us anywhere other than being indoctrinated into another system of control.

[–]raouldukeesq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alpha male: Never ever, ever ever visited an internet thread where the definition of what an Alpha is was discussed.

[–]Killigraphy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is less Alpha vs Beta (really Omega), and more like Introvert vs Extrovert. Basically, this is more about personality traits than being Alpha.

[–]Captain_Enizzle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am an Omega male, and therefore will not apologize to any of you neckbeard gentlesir waifu loving fucking losers that call yourself Red Pillers.

Get some sunshine, you delusional halfwits.

Also, as an Omega male, fuck TwoX as well, you crazy fat feminazi cows. You're almost as bad as the slack jawed retards in here.

Good day, all.

[–]Username-_-2015 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Alot people don't realize this but I'am glad that you put this info out there. The thing is most people on here place certain type of looks or behavior as alpha. For example the muscular dude that works out and gets lots of girls and has alot of friends. That's what people on here mistake as alpha. The reality is that the those people mostly those guys are not alpha.The most alpha guys that I have ever meet were divorced and or married at some point. These guys were not the most well built guys and were not the most good looking either but aside from their relationship they were pretty alpha.

They made a name for themselves and started buisness's and took charge. I have seen many alpha's. I never admired those protein shake drinking fuck boys at the gym that had sex with multiple women. That type of person is not alpha, and if you study them and talk to them you will get to know that the girls he gets are clearly there because of the good looks and body not because he is a real alpha. Heck i talked to these guys and they all work some fucking retail job or at some fucking call center answering phones, most of them worked construction, I'm not talking shit about construction but anyone can do that job.

The real alpha's that I always admired and was jealous of was that fat old bald man at my work, sure he was beta as fuck in his relationship but man that guy taught me alot about how to be a REAL alpha, i watched him take iniative, he was the boss for a REASON no matter how much of good looks or how much you work out, you will never be a REAL alpha like him. This guy took care of other people by making jobs and he took all the risk. That is a real fucking alpha. Most guys are pretty alpha they just don't carry their job or get down to buisness mentality with women, if they did no fake alpha would have a chance.

[–]Kardlonoc -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Alpha male: Does not seek attention - and therefore always gets it. But know that you can always be the most powerful presence in any room or situation. Why? People need to be led. That's why leaders are few, followers are many. Tip - Don't feel the need to entertain a room full of women with displays of this and that. Betas are often clamoring for attention yet can never get enough - and alphas never want attention yet get too much. In a room with a bunch of beta males and a bunch of girls you will notice how the girls respond to the alpha. He's cool and laid back - the girls all turn their heads to him. The beta needs to constantly entertain them.

Yeah no. Trying to be a wall flower doesnt do it.

The "alpha" is by all means a social monster. He talk with anyone and everyone and you might hate his guts but if hes talking to you, you like him...hes that good.

There is yeah a cool and laidback thing about it...but a comedian who can get girls to laugh will get all the attention and the guy in the corner gets none. The guy who is a part animal, keeping the party going, inviting girls to events, demonstrating his value is better than the idea that "The beta needs to constantly entertain them." . You can't engage girls in the corner of the room or on the wall you can't.

Also really? Not caring how he looks...but dresses like james bond! Yeah fuck you, not caring how you look is a little psych up game people tell themselves seduction people need to tell themselves. IE no matter how you look you should always talk to women. Once you get that little lie out of the way and acknowledge that fear, yes you should care about how you look. You should dress like you are going on a date, or going to make a really good business deal, or going to go deadlift a ton.

You can break this shit down into alpha and beta if you want but really it boils down to good advice for dealing with relationships and life and bad advice. The problem with trying to be alpha is that...its not really you. And that actually goes against all the tenets of being Alpha doesn't it? Being something you aren't and trying hard to do so.

Take the advice and slowly blend it into your life. Sure be the alpha, the adonis, the thor, the hulk, whatever you want to get you through your day. I don't give a shit what lies you need to yourself but eventually they do come true.

[–]circlhat -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

I don't know why guys are glorying alpha and making something its not

Alpha male: Lives life passionately. He has goals - and is focused on his goals and dreams and tears down any barriers in-between.

Seriously? I know a lot of nerds that are passionately and work 20 hours a day while Alpha smoke weed and live in their parents basement.

[–]frys180 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Each of those archetypes are, for the most part, living their desired lives. The difference is that the nerd could start lifting and learn game whereas the smoker could get off his ass and get a job. Both of these men are alphas in their own rights. However, they can become better.

[–]Deathlord82 -1 points-1 points [recovered]

beta = liberal / commie alpha = anti immigration, politically incorrect, etc

[–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point  (0 children)

alpha = powerful man who stands to benefit from immigration and liberal policies

beta = weak man who cannot compete with newcomers to his realm, and wants help for native men

For the record, I'm conservative, but there are multiple ways to frame what you said. If there weren't alpha people on both sides of the political spectrum, neither of the sides would be viable.

A better political qualification would be:

beta = anyone who lives vicariously through politics.