Three Long Overdue Red Pill Reality Checks

rp_valiant · 2015-09-16T14:42:29+00:00

also, while we're on the topic of mistakes noobs are making, AWALT does not mean all women act exactly the same - this isn't the Clone Wars. AWALT refers to the fact that all women are biologically driven by the same impulses. Just like a normal healthy straight man sees an attractive woman on the street and would like to have sex with her, a normal healthy straight woman will be attracted to a man that she perceives as having strong alpha qualities and will want to tie him down (yes, in both ways). It doesn't mean that all women are guaranteed to cheat on you, but it does mean that if a guy who is more alpha than you shows interest in your girlfriend she will be attracted to him, and a percentage of girls who are put in this situation will indeed cheat. AWALT is about the evolutionarily-selected instincts and drivers, not about the entire scope of female behaviour.

NightwingTRP · 2015-09-16T15:07:43+00:00

"Me horny! Me go fuck girls now,"

I think this probably also leads to a level of jealousy among the RP awakened. The ignorance truly was bliss... and what's better than knowing the truth of the SMP and getting laid?

Not knowing the truth of the SMP and getting laid.

In a way, Red Pill men have the mixed blessing that is intelligence. An ability to rise above the white noise out there and analyse reality for what it is. Now we can see it... we don't particularly like it. Like when you can figure out how the magician performs his trick... there is no mystery or wonder anymore, and thus no joy.

While we've grown to a state to try and achieve more from our lives than meathead Chad... I wouldn't be remotely surprised by RP men admitting that every now and then, just occasionally... they wonder what it would be like to take away all the negative shit. Hell, I've questioned all my life whether I'd be happier if I was dumb. And to be honest I've concluded that it would probably be down to dumb luck.

The reality is that Chad is idealised in this way as the perfect natural alpha for sleeping with women... but never really for anything else. Would we all really find fulfilment in that? Or would we simply have a new set of woes like seeing men around us who were richer, smarter and contributing more to the world?

Ultimately, reality is always a compromise. As you get bigger, you tend to get less agile. As you get more intelligent, you tend to spot more negative things in the world that you're not in control of. As you become richer, you tend to appreciate the simple things in life less than someone worse off than you would. Chad has to live in reality too... he has compromises too... the real question you need to ask yourself is this:

Is sacrificing who you are and your personal potential worth all the sex with all the hot bitches out there?

WardlyHasted · 2015-09-16T17:16:13+00:00

I think the problem is that some of the guys who stumble upon The Red Pill get stuck in an infinite self-improvement loop.

Like OP said, they think the 80/20 rule is actually 99/1. They're trying to become perfect. They think, "I need six pack abs to approach women", "if I read these 10 books about game, I'll finally know what to do", "if I work really hard for the next year, I'll get that promotion, then I can get girls", "I need to wait a month to grow the perfect beard", et cetera.

Now, these are all admirable goals: get fit, read books, get a promotion, groom yourself to look your best. The reason it becomes a problem is because of how these goals are framed in your mind. They're framed such that, "if I do xyz, then getting women will be way easier, so until then I'm not going to try".

Guess what? With this mindset, you will never be satisfied. When you finally have your six pack abs, you'll want to work on your pecs. Once you've finished those 10 books, you'll come across another 25 you want to read. After finally getting that promotion, you'll want another one. After growing the perfect beard, you'll want to whiten your teeth.

You can't let self-improvement become something you hide behind. If you want women, you have to approach women. Yes, continue to improve yourself everyday, but also approach women. You don't have to be perfect; perfect is boring.

skiff151 · 2015-09-16T15:19:59+00:00

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What is this?

Cyralea · 2015-09-16T15:53:50+00:00

The Chad thing comes from lacking understand about the nature of the term "Alpha". A lot of people mistakenly assume that being Alpha requires that you be cool, collected, and flawless. The suave James Bond type. In truth, it only means behaviours that are attractive to women.

Meathead Chad is as much an Alpha as is Mad Men Chad. The latter typically has ideals that most of us share. Most of us would rather not be the hardened pot-dealing street criminal, or the Jersey Shore audition prospect. These men are still attractive to women due to their Alpha characteristics.

An Alpha is a man with behaviours that are attractive to women. More than that is romanticizing the concept.

WilsonSelf · 2015-09-16T15:50:56+00:00

"You spend your whole life looking for answers, because you think the next answer will change something, maybe make you a little less miserable. And you know that when you run out of questions you don't just run out of answers, you run out of hope."

Basically, checking out of the need for external validation & happiness. That's TRP. If all you need to be happy is to dress up in a pink dress & do pirouettes, then we can go fuck ourselves for saying otherwise.

Much love, gents.

MiguelForte · 2015-09-16T18:14:10+00:00

I think alot of the comments here hit the issue head on and I think it's obvious the OP has it right. There is some serious perfectionism in this sub. "If I lose frame for 5 seconds she'll never suck my dick," "that guy across the bar is more cut than me, no way can I get laid with Chad here." The 80/20 rule should be enough for some to comprehend, but I think we have to remember the type of man who comes here. These are men were either divorce raped, cheated on, generally beaten down by something to come here. I personally had lost all hope after realizing RP truths before coming here, it was truly daunting. I was afraid, as we all probably would be. I think more than anything these guys are afraid of failing again, hence the "I need to be the 1%" attitude.

I cannot emphasize how important it is to give that effort and let yourself fail. I didn't feel comfortable approaching girls until I failed a few times. You're going to fail. I have a natural chad friend who I love to analyze because he fails several times per fucking day. He engages any girl that's worth it, as in next to him on the bus, on line at a store etc. He's fucked more than 99% of guys, and I'd be willing to bet he's failed more than 99% of guys.

In sum, if you follow the advice here and give a decent effort you can have success with women.

rp_valiant · 2015-09-16T14:40:31+00:00

Its not even about being a person in 1% or even 10%. Its about having the attitude that demonstrates that you couldn't care less what category someone places you. Instead, you're too busy being your awesome self to even contemplate caring about how someone might judge you. That's the essence of not giving a fuck.

Combine that with a positive outlook and that's the only frame you need.

zephyrprime · 2015-09-16T15:08:30+00:00

"the feminist women on the internet lie about their counts. They give any ridiculous three digit number (or even high two digit) just to look more sex positive. They're full of shit you guys."

I recall a study on how much sex homosexuals were getting in San Francisco. The average count for men was 120 and the average for women (lesbians) was 4.

Circlelurker90 · 2015-09-16T20:33:24+00:00

"If you were to walk up to a chick right now who's just sipping coffee or something unimportant then you'd probably do just fine and could probably get a date out of it."

Idk man, either you're a really good looking guy that doesn't need to try or you live somewhere with atypically friendly women. Where I live on the east coast, unless you're a celebrity, this will not work.

I appreciate the fact that you're trying to lift everyone's spirits and provide encouragement but I think you have an inaccurate picture of the male population. You're are probably already thinking of above average guys, so the 80th percentile of that group will be 90th percentile overall and will have no problem. But do you really believe the 80th percentile is getting anything more than scraps? Think of all the above average guys you know that get nothing - I know we all know many people like that.

Sdom1 · 2015-09-16T15:57:26+00:00

People on here project a few too many traits onto women. Fact is, women are irrational as fuck.

THANK YOU! Thank God someone other than me realizes this. It's funny how many guys here think women are dithering morons except when it comes to this shit, at which point they morph into super Machiavelli.

Sometimes we give women too little credit, and generally in this capacity they're given way too much.

Also, the type of Chad Thundercocks mythologized on here do exist, but they are super, super rare. Rare to the extent you just shouldn't worry about them.

2015-09-16T19:41:54+00:00

Anyone who assumes hypergamy is some kind of Dr. Evil plot, just spend some time talking to an HB10, without looking at her.

You'll find the same social ineptness in the most basement dwelling neckbeard, because she never gets feedback on how vapid her shit is. Lot of super honeys are starfishy too, because no ones called her a dead lay before, since they want in on the hot one.

Go talk to the single women in your office. Find out how many of them are absolutely horrible at planning, financial security, or any ability to take advantage of the world they've been given

I often think of that saying, where the bear is more scared of you, than you are of him. Theres some sociopaths who run roughshod over men... but no ones every tried to stop them, they don't even have the experience in dealing with that.

AllOrDeath · 2015-09-16T20:21:54+00:00

How can you say it's easy to get laid to a practical life long incel like myself who can't even get first dates?

Circlelurker90 · 2015-09-17T00:43:31+00:00

I understand you are trying to address this black and white perfectionism style of thinking but you go too far the other way, and don't even get me started on the comments in this thread. If you think getting laid is easy... Then.... You are attractive! And saying it is easy for attractive men to get laid is not new fucking information!

Also, being attractive guys, you all spend time with primarily other high SMV guys, who are getting laid easily. You think "average" is your average friend, when in reality he is top 15%. Not so easy anymore, eh?

You all also fail to appreciate that a below average looking man cannot become top 20% without 7 figure net worth.

ShounenEgo · 2015-09-16T15:06:00+00:00

For fuck's sake, you guys know what a shit test is, how to beat it, and you've lifted at least enough to max out your beginner gains.

Well, I've read and know what it is and I know how to roughly beat it in theory. And we all know the difference between theory and practice.

What I'm saying is, it's important to let people know that they're going to fail some shit tests big time until they're comfortable with them, and it's going to take a while.

smokejaguar1337 · 2015-09-16T15:37:21+00:00

Solid post. I've been grinding hard for three months now without a lay, and Im pretty damn sure its all in my head. Really needed to see pt. #1. Time to grow some balls and just go knock this shit out.

knitro · 2015-09-16T18:39:20+00:00

Best post on here in weeks, especially point two.

I'm sick of reading posts where people fling around terminology in lieu of life experience or anything interesting to say:

So one of my plates got alpha widowed by a Chad Thundercock and I was the beta bucks to her hypergamy, but ya know AWALT.

For me one of the best tells in knowing whether someone knows their shit or not is how much or little they need to lean on TRP-shorthand crutches to get points across.

The best posts use next to none.

MortalSisyphus · 2015-09-16T14:57:44+00:00

You repeat twice that you don't have to be in the 1% to get laid, then you say women are insane and can't get laid on tinder because they go after the 1%.

You might wanna clarify your arguments a bit so it doesn't sound contradictory.

xray777 · 2015-09-17T00:57:57+00:00

This stuff is all extremely true.

Fellas, if you don't believe that its really easy to talk to women and aren't ready to cold approach the hottie in yoga pants and sports bra at Starbucks, go find some random post on AskReddit that is clearly from a woman and just send her a message.

I did that a lot a while back and discovered a few things:

A) Most women will talk to you if you aren't a creep and can actually be interesting.

B) A third of women will send you nudes, sometimes from work, if you act sexy. They're just as horny and often just as starved as most men are. I got one woman to go from "no, I'm not doing that, ew" to a underwear selfie from the work bathroom in 20 minutes. And we both had fun with it. Be fun. Be sexy.

C) It is 100% true that women have a hard time getting sexy attention, even if they want it, because men are so beta. I bit on a couple of posts clearly looking for sexual attention that had multiple "RIP your inbox" replies. Turns out......she didn't get a single message. Not a single dick pic. Two women were actually frustrated that they could literally post "I'll probably send you nudes" publicly and get crickets. Men are THAT beta.

D) That chick over in the next cubicle might be so horny that she's sending me a bra shot she just took in the bathroom while saying how wet I'm making her and will literally fuck YOU that same day if you were actually interesting and sexy enough. Go talk to her.

Myrpl · 2015-09-16T16:03:35+00:00

Off topic but your reference to the intelligent alpha reminded me how much I'd love to see a bi-daily/weekly featured post from the past. There are truly some gems hidden that people new to the sub don't even know how to look for them - and I'm obviously not talking about top posts.

Freddy_Fedora · 2015-09-16T16:07:10+00:00

Red pill isn't a competition to out-alpha eachother either. Just chill out when it comes to your red pill credentials.

King-Kuranes · 2015-09-16T20:56:42+00:00

Great post.

The biggest problem with this sub right now is you have a massive influx of guys who are just trying to use TRP as some new game theory where the only objective of life is to get laid and if you're not doing that you're some idiot failure. To be Chad is not your goal. You are supposed to focus on self improvement and better yourself wherever that path may lead. You find hobbies, you improve your mind, improve your standing in life and take what you want.

If you're only focus is being Chad and getting laid then you're no better than a god damned animal.

night-addict · 2015-09-17T12:10:34+00:00

Learned all this today during a date I was on. Scored a new plate and confirmed everything you said before you posted it.

I'll drop an FR if people are interested

2015-09-16T15:17:37+00:00

Women view sex like blowing your nose. Not a big deal for them. Men view sex as a holy grail activity. When a man blows his load on a woman he sees it as awesome, his magical seeds has spread.

She sees it as cleaning up mucus on her body. That's why women break up with guys who clearly show no commitment for them. They want that commitment/gifts/money/status. Sex is the vehicle to get her prize. The moment he says no to that she stops sex.

If women blew their load like guys do every time they have sex, they would also partake in sex for sex's sake.

magus678 · 2015-09-16T16:33:51+00:00

Great, great post, especially point 2.

I feel like we need more posts like this one; I still see comments where I feel like some people are only superficially "getting it."

I get the feeling that for some RP is just the latest in a long line of emulated personalities that guys, especially younger guys, are putting on like clothing.

OpiumPhrogg · 2015-09-16T19:03:02+00:00

A good example of "Chad" would be the idiot football player in the first 10 to 20 minutes of the movie Idiocracy. I couldn't find a clip of that, but if you haven't watched the movie, you probably should.

Circlelurker90 · 2015-09-16T20:33:23+00:00

"If you were to walk up to a chick right now who's just sipping coffee or something unimportant then you'd probably do just fine and could probably get a date out of it."

Idk man, either you're a really good looking guy that doesn't need to try or you live somewhere with atypically friendly women. Where I live on the east coast, unless you're a celebrity, this will not work.

I appreciate the fact that you're trying to lift everyone's spirits and provide encouragement but I think you have an inaccurate picture of the male population. You're are probably already thinking of above average guys, so the 80th percentile of that group will be 90th percentile overall and will have no problem. But do you really believe the 80th percentile is getting anything more than scraps? Think of all the above average guys you know that get nothing - I know we all know many people like that.

friendlysociopathic · 2015-09-16T20:53:30+00:00

Thank god for this post. I hope we see more of this from ECs.

2015-09-16T20:54:39+00:00

Just a great post from start to finish. Just lays it all out there.

Post #1 could not be more true. Get out of your head, get out there and start meeting women. If you go down in flames; take some time to analyze it and do better the next time.

vakerr · 2015-09-16T22:43:25+00:00

Can you believe that there's a fucking wage gap?

No, because there isn't one. It has been debunked multiple times, just google it.

YouDislikeMyOpinion · 2015-09-17T02:32:47+00:00

One thing I have to say is that I have met women in the three digit range. Don't know about these harpies on reddit. But you're right, most women are not in the three digit range.

2015-09-17T13:25:33+00:00

I was on POF this morning, but wasn't signed in yet. I clicked on "my profile" and it still brought it up as well as "suggestions" of other men my age (I'm 44).

These men were not attractive. Most were doing things like work, most were fat, poorly groomed, not dressed up, dirty, etc.

One guy took like 15 selfies of pretty much the same bearded pose. One guy had a picture of him on a Goldwing and he's got shorts on, a shitty shirt, his white legs are showing, and he's got a pot belly he's not even trying to hide.

I thought, "How the fuck can I not beat these guys? I'm only 5'8" but I look better than the do and my pics are better. I'm doing shit, dressed well, around friends, in exotic locations (Taj Majal), and while I'm still overweight I've put muscle on underneath it and I hold everything really well.

I've got a long way to go, but I repeatedly get told by women that I look 36 or even younger.

There's a reason why women find 80% of men unattractive. I used to think it was just bigotry, but for fucks sake a lot of dudes just don't have a clue.

NawtVolkishEnuf · 2015-09-18T01:53:18+00:00

A 4th truth that definitely needs to be added is: Opportunity Trumps All

If you don't have the opportunity to meet attractive women, it doesn't matter how much you lift, how much swag you've got, how aesthetic your face is, your race, your wealth, your game, etc. As long as you meet the basic standards -not obese, covered in cystic acne, shower daily, don't look like a serial killer - pre-selection matters more than any of this shit.

A beta who has chubby baby face and no game who is in social circles with lots of women will get laid more than an "alpha" who is constantly in sausage fests. "Monk mode" is practically a nuclear option. I wouldn't recommend it unless you are 50+lbs overweight, haven't bathed in weeks, dress in rags etc.

If you're a guy who's just starting college, meeting tons of women in general, platonic or sexual, should be your main priority, especially this early in the year. As long as you're not a filthy neckbeard, some of them will find you attractive. Or their friends will, or friends of friends at parties they get invited to and you tag along. Build rapport now, and it'll be easier to get laid later than if you waited until you were benching 300lbs and 12% body fat to start approaching girls. There is no time limit to self-improvement, but social connections are fickle.

Chris from Good Looking Loser has the right attitude when it comes to the 80/20 philosophy; all you have to do to be in the top 10-20% is to be above average. Lifting, dressing decently, a healthy sense of entitlement, and a purpose in life already put you above the average dude. If your face is halfway decent looking, that'll get you well past there.

"Btw, the feminist women on the internet lie about their counts. They give any ridiculous three digit number (or even high two digit) just to look more sex positive. They're full of shit you guys."

Men lie about their counts as well. Anytime a man claims to have been with more than about 4 * (number of years since turning 18) women, I assume he's either A) Full of shit or B) Doing some serious dumpster diving.

heero01 · 2015-09-16T17:19:18+00:00

I ask this before i have to ask again is it really how it works now. High count is sought after cause in any conversation with men thats not something being looked for.

Circlelurker90 · 2015-09-16T20:33:24+00:00

"If you were to walk up to a chick right now who's just sipping coffee or something unimportant then you'd probably do just fine and could probably get a date out of it."

Idk man, either you're a really good looking guy that doesn't need to try or you live somewhere with atypically friendly women. Where I live on the east coast, unless you're a celebrity, this will not work.

I appreciate the fact that you're trying to lift everyone's spirits and provide encouragement but I think you have an inaccurate picture of the male population. You're are probably already thinking of above average guys, so the 80th percentile of that group will be 90th percentile overall and will have no problem. But do you really believe the 80th percentile is getting anything more than scraps? Think of all the above average guys you know that get nothing - I know we all know many people like that.

mugatucrazypills · 2015-09-16T22:03:49+00:00

agreed, there's threads on here ... don't approach women or even try to fu*k until you're in super jacked beast mode with wolverine claws, complete med school twice, etc.

2015-09-17T11:48:37+00:00

God damn. Talk about hitting the nail on the head. BlackDragon has a good article about actual rates of people getting laid and it's a lot lower than we'd think, given the prevalence of "Hookup Culture" propaganda that is out there making people all insecure.

You are the voice of reason in this subreddit and I hope this get's sidebarred.

Keep on good shepherding mate, cracking post.

2015-09-17T12:52:36+00:00

This is something that I needed to hear and kind of experienced yesterday. Assuming your not an Auschwitz toothpick that plays WoW all day, if you just exercise somehow for over six months, groom yourself so you look your best (don't worry about how Chad looks, let's focus on yourself), dress your best and display masculine traits/take the lead around a woman, you can still satisfy your sexual needs. It may not be a 10/10 Russian model with a perfect ass, but she just needs to pass a boner test, right?

Hell I'm 21, skinny (working towards a healthy weight now in college), racially mixed and am in a really nerdy major (math is my shit), but I still had an opportunity to get with this girl on the bus who was sending me IOIs yesterday (she was just a plain-looking white girl, but Boner test was still passed).

Most of the Chad Field Reports are just 1% extremes of reality. Sadly, most of us will never be like the theoretical Chad. All that is really required is to be above average in some way from all of the other guys, which isn't really that hard if you look around.

cashmunnymillionaire · 2015-09-17T14:08:51+00:00

Mods should sticky this. Too many RP noobs are fooled by these beta-bragging "field reports" that claim to unleash some truth or something. They more so paint broad caricatures. True RP and AM is far more nuanced. Women are animals, not robots. Cesar Milan follows a general code of conduct when a dog is out of control, but every animal is different and needs the right TLC. It's not as simple as input:output. Honestly, "all women are similar" is probably what we should be saying instead of awalt.

Terror_of_the_Void · 2015-09-18T22:08:23+00:00

Thank you man, I needed this. It doesn't take a god to talk to girls.

Surf_Or_Die · 2015-09-17T00:06:07+00:00

I find that I really only need to ask myself one thing if I wanna improve my alpha game: what would James Bond do?

2015-09-17T01:20:15+00:00

Im gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you.

2015-09-16T18:41:19+00:00

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Sinjection · 2015-09-17T07:11:19+00:00

Someone please tell me what this sub is even about. I thought it was a "friendzoned again" type of satire subreddit, but I've been told I'm wrong.

2015-09-16T23:29:21+00:00

It would be productive if we had an official name for the lion alpha man.

Chad Thundercock = Meathead manchild who can fuck and lift but has ultra high time preference.

Beta Bill = average frusterated chump beta bucks orbiter who gets sex when his abusive fat cuntplanet allows him.

________ = Lion Alpha man. Leader. Makes decisions. Fucks who and when he wants. Lifts late into life. Runs businesses. Owns Estates, etc

Suggestions: Apex Red, Redward Lionic, Red Richard..

1) Getting laid isn't that hard.

2) Chad Thundercock isn't supposed to be Red Pill's Jesus.

3) Women on Tinder really don't get all that laid.