Red Pill TheoryCommitment is Way More Valuable than Sex—Why You Truly Are the Prize (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by JumpXVI

Summary: In the long run, women have it way harder than men in heterosexual relationships, because relative to the committment they (should) seek, sex is easy to obtain. Commitment must truly be earned, and this makes men the real prize.


Let's say you walk into a store. You're generally minding your own business, when a hard 6 catches your eye. Walks up to you, and starts flirting, making it obvious that she wants you to take her home. Whatever, you may think. Gotta be some kind of trap, right? Logistically, you'd want to put in as little effort as needed, have it be as no-strings-attached as possible. Unless it's good, but she'll never just fuck you and that's it, will she? That doesn't even happen.

Then she tells you:

"You can just drop me wherever you want when you're done with me. And it's up to you to call me if you want to play again."

Well...hell yeah, right? As you shrug, smirk, and load her into your car, you wonder: are there more like her at that store? Cause you could get used to this—take three, maybe four girls a week home just to play with, no questions asked. And if you could turn those 6s into 7s, what else could you really ask for?

Nothing. Even the most commitment-minded man would be a damn fool to turn down steady, effortless sex with decent-looking women, in the pursuit instead of 9s and 10s, or that unicorn he can take home and keep forever.

But girls? They're really more interested in the prize. And what is that prize for girls?

An alpha man willing to commit to and provide for her. Gentlemen, this prize takes a hell of a lot longer to get than 10 minutes of decent sex.

Remember Cracker Jack? The caramel candy popcorn boxes with the little prize at the bottom? Well think about heterosexual relationships this way. Boys are perfectly content to fumble around with our stubby fingers to eventually get a good box open, and plunge right into that sweetness. A worthy prize would be nice and all, but that sweet candy is more than enough for us. And yeah, "The More You Eat The More You Want".

Well, as easy as it is for girls to open up a box of Cracker Jack with their long nails, they have to root around for what they really want—the prize at the bottom. Of course, they like candy too, and they can sure get it any time they want. But they can't handle the sweetness like boys can. Some girls think they can play our game, and not notice that their pretty little nails are getting whittled down, little by little, from tearing into box after box of Cracker Jack, not even thinking to root around for what they really need. Hell, there was a 24-karat gold diamond ring at the bottom of some of the first few boxes, but the candy...that candy was just so good, and it's so easy for girls to open these boxes, and just gorge and gorge...

Men: you are the prize. Remember that shiny new toy you begged your mom to buy you at Toys R Us? The one she'd get you if you'd been "good"? The one you played with for three, maybe four days before getting bored and breaking out your Legos again, or pining for a newer, shinier toy? That's sex. That's what sex is. The toys you long for today are a bit bigger, don't come with an instruction manual, and, ironically, if you're "good" (game), look a hell of a lot like the Barbie dolls you wouldn't have been caught dead with when you were a kid.

But they're toys. Playthings. You could win your prize, take her home, and play with her all night. Then you could play with her first thing in the morning, before breakfast. Drop her on the floor of your bedroom. But then, you could get up. Leave her there, facedown, limbs bent in some awkward position while you pour yourself a bowl of Cheerios. You could tire of her real quick—but you won already. You got her prize. You could end the game right there with her, and tonight you could bring home the Asian Barbie, with the glasses and the long shiny black hair, and hardly give a thought to where you left your "old" toy.

Girls don't play like that. Girls can't play like that. They only win when they get you to stop going to toystores. When they start getting you to buy her accessories, and the dream house, and the fancy car. You know how long that takes? To root around in that box of sticky Cracker Jacks? They don't get to get tired of the boys they want to play with.

They can't play like we play, because they have to play for keeps (carousel be damned, of course). So why get jealous that some HB8 can bat her eyes at any dude in a night club and be sprawled on his floor thirty minutes later? Congrats on raising your n-count, Heather. Call me when you can hang on to a prize for longer than a few weeks or months...which becomes harder and harder the more you destroy your ability to pairbond by being promiscuous.

Think about it. If we could root around in a box of Cracker Jack and somehow pull out a miracle HB10 prize, would we really feel the need open other boxes? Most of us wouldn't. But implied here is that this prize won't up and walk away. Hell—knock it down to HB8. We wouldn't commit to an HB8 who is going to be faithful to us? We sure as hell would.

But girls don't think like that. A girl doesn't try to get Chad CrackerCock to commit to her when she first gets those lovely nails in him, even though she should be. She should be working on her "marriage material" value, like learning to be a good cook, engaging with her man on topics that interest him, demonstrating sweet child raising qualities. But a lot of girls don't do that or have to do that, because they look damn good in those yoga pants. And they'll try to play the man's game because that candy is so easy for them to access, and the rest of that candy looks real good right about now, just another taste...

Again, getting laid is relatively easy. Our real challenge as men, should we choose to accept it, is to get the HB8s to be faithful throughout the sex. Essentially TRP on hard mode—a real, long-term relationship. Difficult, but possible. But what's our consolation prize should thoughts of commitment not pan out, or ever even be on the table? Decent sex with an HB8. Take it or leave it, "it was just your turn", whatever you wanna call it.

So while a guy like me may be more commitment-minded than most, I have realized that guys actually have it so, SO much easier than women in the grand scheme of heterosexual relationships. For the most part, men want sex and women want commitment, right? It's a lot easier for a guy to get decent sex with an HB8 than to get a male 8 to commit to a girl. Commitment takes a looooong time. Who's to say that Mr. Perfect wasn't just playing her up for months and months, just to alpha widow her? What's he committing to? Her looks? How good she's willing to fuck him when his frame and game are tight? Sure, that may be enough for a lot of guys. But what prize is she really offering that Asian Barbie he may run into tonight can't replicate, should she flirt with him? Why should he commit?

The prize a good man has to offer is so much more than looks—it's his whole SMV. His status, his confidence, his money, his social acumen, etc. This is why it is harder for guys to get regular, decent sex with actual attractive women (HB7+). But this is the same exact reason we have the heterosexual relationship game on lockdown. As a guy, the SMV value we look for in women is largely tied to her looks. We can determine just how worthy a "prize" she is in a literal split-second. Girls can't do that. There are tons of guys who have looks like Brad Pitt and are beta as shit. Guys are allowed to fail many times a day and night trying to score.

But consider the girl who enters a relationship with a poseur-alpha, whose façade crumbles over a year into their relationship on some simple shit tests, heaping dust in whatever once-moist cracks of her vagina that had survived the long drought of his betaness. Or the girl whose Chad "isn't really looking for anything serious right now" every single month she tentatively brings it up after blowing him, 20 minutes into chilling and watching Netflix. That's a hell of a lot worse than being rejecting by some HB8. So keep your perspective, men.

And continue to better yourself, and realize that the discrepancy in the value of prizes means that it really is not a big deal if you strike out in some pursuits of banging an attractive girl. Not nearly as big a deal as her not being able, or willing, to lock down an attractive man.


  • Don't envy women to whom sex comes easily.
  • Never put sex on a pedestal.

Do not envy women to whom sex comes easily. Their real endgame (commitment) is a lot harder to secure than sex. This is also precisely why you should never put sex on a pedestal either. It's easy to get or at least fluke your way into some good sex even as a guy. Even some beta who says the right things to an HB9 in a bar who likes his beard or whatever can take her home and fuck her. Boom, prize won, game won.

But a woman can't even know she's won her game until months later, if not years. And if she plays this game wrong too many times, nobody will really want to play with her anymore.

[all edits are trivial typo- and format-related edits cause im anal]

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 249 points250 points  (57 children)

This is actually a really interesting line of thinking.

Getting pissed on by a cute girl from the bar or your class or work or something, then seeing her go date some good-looking douchebag who shits all over her sucks, sure.

But imagine being her. Actually dating that douchebag for 7 months, putting out every weekend, blowing him quickly in the bathroom at work a few weekdays, too, hoping he'll actually introduce you to his friends, let you meet his parents, actually take you seriously. Then he drops you because you're getting too clingy and he found someone prettier who doesn't nag him as much. And you wasted 7 months not getting what you were really after.

It's easy to be jealous of that girl, because she was dating, she was having sex, while you sat around being an unloved loser jerking off. But she didn't get what she wanted. She got what you wanted. But not what she wanted.

[–]JumpXVI[S] 54 points55 points  (44 children)

But she didn't get what she wanted. She got what you wanted. But not what she wanted.

Exactly. It'd be like if Shaq were jealous of how well Kyle Korver shoots threes. Like, why are you jealous, Shaq? You don't need a jumper, you're arguably the most dominant center to ever play in the NBA.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 132 points133 points  (43 children)

The sting for men comes into play when a man realizes, "I would have given her exactly what she wanted, and I wouldn't have required one tenth as much from her. I would have treated her awesome, and settled for a mere trickle of sex! But she pissed all over my offer because she didn't want it from me. I suck."

That's the sting. Realizing that you suck, and that everything you thought women liked and everything you thought was good about you, nobody likes. That the piece of shit douchebag has more to offer not just the girl you wanted, but dozens of other girls. He has actual value and is cashing in on it, while you've wasted your life mentally masturbating over your happy little ideals.

That nobody cares about your happy little ideals and the quiet dignity with which you conduct your life. That you are invisible. Even other men don't like you. That you will suck not only with women but socially, professionally. Your life will suck while that doucebag who actually has value may very well network his way into great success. And here you are at age 20-something or 30-something, or even older, starting from ground zero.

[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing 75 points76 points  (18 children)

The great bonus to our sex, is that we can change this far more easily, and far later than can women.

Even a 35 year old fat, welfare dependent man can get himself in reasonable shape, and earn some kind of income, and enter the pool with a different perspective. He may not be able to do more than tread water, but at least he won't drown.

Women have it much worse than we do; the entirety of Western culture on sex, dating, relationships, children and marriage lies to them for the sake of selling consumerism.

The 35 year old women who has ridden the cock carousel for years, smoked, drank, perhaps had children or abortions, who has invested no time in her femininity, her ability to cook and nurture, who has high demands for male quality - - - what is she to do?

Work on a career like the man? Get in shape?

The first is something which won't add to her SMV, the second is harder for their sex - - -and a 35 year old woman spending the next three years getting in shape will simply not be able to compete in the same way a 35 year old man will.

Never should we mourn being male; our path is steeper, but we only have shallow places to fall.

Women have cliffs.

[–]Sdom1 84 points85 points  (13 children)

There was an older, successful woman who was out there giving super red pill advice to the female masses. Basically, she was being a Jewish mother for the women not fortunate enough to have one. Among her advice was to:

*Find a quality guy in college and build a relationship with him, and then marry him, as she'll never be around that many quality guys ever again

*You'll always have time to build a career, but you won't always be able to have kids. IF having kids is your goal, don't put it off continually. She did emphasize the IF

*Don't get butt fuck wasted, especially around strange guys, as bad things can happen to you. In other words, take care of yourself

She was TORN TO PIECES by feminists. I mean, savaged by all of these 30 and 40-something professional women who are desperately unhappy. They were claiming she had all manner of sinister motives, when her advice was all advice I'd give my daughter if I had one

[–]2Overkillengine 43 points44 points  (7 children)

Feminists are actually the greatest misogynist shitlords in existence; because they constantly try to abdicate the one thing that makes a woman equal to a man:


[–]ChimpWithAGun 9 points9 points [recovered]


Could you please elaborate? I don't understand what you mean by that (and English is not my first language).

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (2 children)

Actors (as in people who take action) have agency. They go out there and do things. "I can do anything I put my mind to! Yesterday was a bad day, but I will try harder/be smarter today." Men who are not losers are actors.

Objects do not have agency. They don't do things; things happen to them. "I'm a victim, why do bad things always happen to me?" A high amount of women are objects, but not all.

So here's what was said in plain English: "Feminists are actually the most anti-women people there are, because they constantly tell women to become an object instead of becoming an actor. Only women who are actors are equal to men."

For example, feminists like to play the victim (rape culture, if you have sex with a girl who's had a drop of alcohol then it's rape, falsely claiming that women earn less than men due to discrimination, etc). If you think you are a victim, you become an object instead of an actor.

Is it clear now?

[–]Redasshole 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is clear now, thank you.

(useless message but I believe in being polite to people who deserve it)

[–]lefthandofjhereg 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It means free will. The ability to choose.

[–]ColdEiric 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Something with agency has the ability to act. The person, who has agency, he acts.

Something without agency hasn't got the ability to act. The thing, which doesn't act, doesn't move, doesn't do anything, hasn't got agency. Like a chair, or any other object.

And when we talk about people with or without agency, we talk of people who decide to act, who have agency and people who just sit and complain, who fail to act, who lack agency. The person with agency he does something constructive. The person without agency doesn't. The person who doesn't act, they behave like objects. That's why we who have agency, we look down upon those who do not have agency and treat them like objects. Because they look so much like objects, they behave like objects.

[–]ReformedTomboy 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Susan Patton, aka "The Princeton Mom"

[–]Sdom1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

YES! That woman got absolutely savaged by the feminist crowd. That's how you know she's on the right track. They went right after her because her advice was compelling.

[–]Redasshole 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I mean, women should rather:

  • get wasted 3 nights a week and walk through town alone wearing almost no clothes at 2 am

  • do drugs, shave her head, tatoo her body because she is free to do whatever she wants

  • be crual to every man out there and treat them like shit because she can

I mean, all those things will surely contribute to them living a better, happier life.

[–]-Quotidian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

desperately unhappy

Professionally unhappy. Their entire careers revolve around making other people as unhappy, offended, low-value, and insecure as they make themselves.

Someone giving actual advice that prevents their target demographic from fucking up, giving their hamsters workouts, and shunting their responsibility on others? That's like someone inventing a solar panel the size of an iPhone that you can use to power your car and pay your electric bill...that only costs $50 each. Everyone who loses money because of this thing would shit, and do everything they could to keep it from succeeding.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I work as a supervisor of construction sites and chef of recruitment team, in context of electric industrial instalations at airports in Europe.

I am Croatian living in Germany. Jobs that are employees are doing are dirty, hard, and dangerous. Guys do it usually when they have no choice or when they are indebted (earnings are through the roof).

Guys doing this are Croatian guest workers. Without exception they are: 35-40 years old. Poorly educated. Indebted. Fat or too skinny however shitty looking. Awful characters. No frame. Divorced or in shitty marriages.

One would look and say, it's done for them. But not. Year after year, for four years, I'm watching these people raising up. In a year, most of them: pay the debts, get fit, learn a foreign language and finish a course which helps them starting with the new branch. They fix hygiene and frame and character.

I'm talking about 35 or 40 years old who are without skills and are aliens in other country. And it makes me so fucking happy. I welcome poor men to the company and I walk out fucking great guy year after. One of them divorced and found 25 years old German girlfriend. He's 41 years old.

I am happy to see men growing. I subtly helped by personally, from my pocket, paying gym membership to anybody who wants to go, or by giving them training advices. Nobody except me know this. They think it's company, company thinks they pay on their own. I do it because it makes me happy.

I am 27 years old. Few years ago I thought it's finished for me. I did what I did. Then I found this sub, met few great guys, and most important saw these 40 years old guys changing their lives in a fucking year or two. Then I becomed happy again because of my youth and all the chances we as a men get. You can literally live like indebted welfare shit and snap out even after age of 35.

I saw it, fucking American Beauty in front of my eyes.

Also it is very motivating, to see these old crabs lifting working and hitting on girls. They know chances with hot 20smthg are slim, but they do it for fun. And let me tell ya, they do it well. Seeing ex alcoholics asking me to help them about macronutrients.

After seeing that there is literally no excuse to not approach women or enjoy your youth or build your dreams. To live your life.

This may seem odd to read, but that experience was a gift to me.

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[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Until we're dead, we can always choose something, even if it has to be as small as how we choose to feel. Never give up.

[–]stellarMan24 22 points23 points  (8 children)

Ah, life.

This is exactly why it's so crucial for men who feel this way to learn to socialize with men and women. That includes but is not limited to learning game. Learning game will definitely help you get over these feelings, mainly because it smashes them into your life over and over very frequently.

As someone who has felt like this over and over again, the one thing that brings me out of the worst lows is to spend time with quality male friends. Going back out into the field to approach women can help, but sometimes you're so bitter and pissed off that you just end up pissing off all the women you talk to, and in turn make yourself feel worse.

There really is no answer to these feelings, I wish there was. TRP covers a lot of activities that help reduce them, lifting, game and meditation and whatnot, which are great. Learning game has definitely helped me get over this neediness and feeling of worthlessness, but it hasn't made it go away.

In learning game, you will start to become that guy that hooks up with girls very quickly, but you'll become too attached to them. They'll blow you off in the following days or week, and these feelings will come back. Then it will happen again, and again, and again.. and each time the feelings will be slightly less harsh, but they're still fucking harsh. The great thing though, is that you do become less attached the girls.. which is why the feelings are less harsh. You start to see who they really are, and not who you wished they were.

That's exactly where I'm at now. Really glad you put it into words, cause those feelings are very real for all of us men who aren't naturally alpha males.

[–]ConnorGracie 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Isn't it weird though that they want commitment but if you want it from them they bail?

[–]stellarMan24 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It shows that you're investing more into her than she is into you. It's weird to us, because we want someone to invest in us, but it doesn't work that way for women. It shows that you don't have a lot of other options.

It sucks, cause it's damn near impossible to fake if you don't actually have other options. But being aware of it is very important, so that you can have slightly more control over your actions to prevent it.

There are posts on TRP all the time about how men are the prize. If we're willing to give her our commitment before she gives us sex and lots of it, how are we the prize? It means we're willing to compromise our resources in order to get her resources. It's an imbalance of power.

[–]reigorius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's so bizarre. You have one party seeking out another for commitment. But the moment that other party shows equal or more commitment, the chances of it ever working are ruined.

[–]sukhvirk150 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the honesty.

I find myself in a similar situation. I'm trying to love the pain since it helps me read and work out much more easily than if I felt amazing all the time.

And thus I can use my emotions rather than depending on them to get shit done.

[–]moulded 2 points2 points [recovered]

"and each time the feelings will be slightly less harsh, but they're still fucking harsh. The great thing though, is that you do become less attached the girls.."

This is something that has always confused me about TRP.

Everyone here seems to acknowledge pair bonding from a female perspective, where the more men they sleep with the harder it is for them to maintain a healthy relationship.

Does pair bonding not work the same for men then?

Personally I've noticed that the more I've gotten into TRP the less I've wanted a relationship. Obviously this is partly because my eyes have been opened to a lot of things that I was unaware of beforehand, but I have also been sleeping with more girls. Does the latter not have anything to do with it?

[–]stellarMan24 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's exactly what you mentioned. Your eyes have been opened to the things you were unaware of beforehand. You see her for who she really is, not who you want her to be. That makes it easier to stay unattached from her when she flakes you.

Guys who are early in the game or MOST men fall for girls quickly because they really want a relationship for whatever reason.. validation, continual sex, good friendship, etc. They meet women and immediately the halo effect kicks in, all of the girl's good traits VASTLY overpower any negative traits. They start imagining being with this girl and how great it would be. Then, when they subtly show this through their texts/behavior, the girl backs off. Girls are very intuitive about this, they know when a guy is investing more than she is.


Recently I met a girl at an EDM show at a nearby nightclub. She was very flirty and would reciprocate when I went to kiss her. She wouldn't go home with me, but we exchanged contact info. A week or so ago, we went on a date, and really hit it off. We had that natural chemistry that we all look for when dating. It was great. We were making out and holding each other close by the end of it.

We ended up going back to her place to get her female roommate to "go out". Her roommate ended up being kind of drunk and sloppy, not at all dressed to go out. We ended up sitting there at their dinner table chatting and drinking.

For some stupid reason, I liked this girl, and didn't want her roommate to think I was a dick, so I didn't continue the sexual vibe. I just sat their waiting for her roommate to go to sleep or for her to take us somewhere more private.

Guess what, it never happened. I was too invested in it working out long term, that I was afraid to "mess it up" by being overtly sexual in front of her roommate. Well, guess what happened. She ended up getting a phone call from her sister, and had to "talk to her for a while".. I took an Uber home. She never responded to my texts after that.

Even though it hurts that this girl flaked on me after ward.. in retrospect, she wasn't that good for me. She went to a good school, is very educated, etc. But she's been partying her ASS OFF for the last 5 years of her life. She used to be that EDM chick who would go to shows and take molly 2-3 times a week. Now, shes more chill, but she still drinks multiple times a week and goes out all the time. Sound like a good girl for an LTR? No. I don't really drink, so we would be a terrible mix. Now, I can see that more clearly than I would have before.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Partner count does not affect male pair bonding like it does female pair bonding.

Your lowered interest in relationships is from learning how little they offer the vast majority of the time. Most people will expect you to sacrifice a lot more to keep a girl than they'll expect her to sacrifice for you. Even a good relationship still includes some bullshit you wouldn't have had to deal with otherwise, like dealing with whatever emotional problem is gripping her this month, or having to worry about her safety when travelling to shitty countries or cities.

[–]weirdnamedindian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A gold comment right here! Absolutely true.

[–]kafka-tamura 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It hurts to just read this comment. But what value exactly does the douchebag bring to the table in the grander scheme of things? A guy like Tesla or Newton might have not gotten any tang, sure, but they had more value than a dancing monkey.

[–]ConnorGracie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the tingles man. "I just feel it" and such nonsense.

[–]JumpXVI[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I would argue that that sting comes hand in hand with not valuing how much what you as a man have to offer. I do think that you've intentionally exaggerated a bit for emphasis, which I get.

Any man who actually feels this way about himself needs to improve his own SMV first (and self esteem, though those come hand in hand). I want to stress that even high-SMV men can get blown out by an HB8 he wants to fuck.

You actually bring up a very interesting point. Is any given chick "just" attracted to the aloof, outcome independent, confident persona that Chad exudes? Is she attracted to that because she wants that kind of man to commit to her? Or is it more a case of being able to get Chad in bed because she's an HB8 and looks damn good in yoga pants? And she's really just affecting how easy it is for her to get laid by a guy she's attracted to?

There's some overlap, sure. But the traits of Chad that attracted women to him aren't always the same traits that scream "I want this man to commit to me", even to the female subconscious. Maybe they really are, though, but again, high-SMV and the alpha characteristics that make an HB8 wet over meeting Chad for the very first time aren't precisely correlated (you still need game, etc.).

[–]ShounenEgo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your comment felt like a huge drill piercing my chest.

[–]nishal1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. I'm saving this, this comment really resonated with me.

[–]O_Son 0 points1 point  (7 children)

To me the original post and this comment seem like they're discussing the difference between a moment and a longer period of time, with many men, myself included, it's the sting of the face to face rejection. The 'you're not good enough to get my number,' and then you find out your drugged out friend got her number weeks ago because he couldn't care less if he gets it, he's out of his mind most of the time.

The women in OP's example who enter into a relationship, or sleep with a man for months or whatnot, placed their bet and many of them lost because of bad judgment, or any number of reasons, but it's important to remember that they made a decision and the end result is as much a result of their actions as the man's. In a sense both parties are using outdated algorithms to navigate the relationship minefield.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 30 points31 points  (6 children)

Women actually get a raw deal nowadays.

The saying grandma used to warn the girls used to be, "A guy never buys the cow if he can get the milk for free." This was supposed to encourage girls to stop giving away free milk until the cow was bought.

But the modern situation is, "A guy worth having never buys the cow until he's tried the milk a few times." So girls have to give out free milk and hope they're chosen. Because not giving out the milk is a deal breaker to a valuable man -- he's got a line ten women deep waiting to give him some milk and no time to waste wooing some girl playing by the old rules and making sure she feels comfortable he's going to stick around.

The new system sucks for unattractive men (who end up nearly entirely sexless), but it also sucks for women in an entirely different way.

[–]O_Son 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I see your point, my point is that it's still the woman's choice whether she wants to be in a relationship, or continue a relationship at any point with a man so if the man breaks it off with her, so be it- it would have happened anyway. I'm average in terms of looks but I eat healthy, have lifted weights for years, have a decent job but I was raised old school or whatnot so I have to read and learn all of these RP rules about interacting, talking, texting, passing shit tests, I have to relearn every aspect of life with women while a woman has to decide who to sleep with and who to continue relationships with. They have to exercise sound judgment in a changing social world and I have to swallow a pill because everything I've ever learned about women is a lie.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you have the opinion of a man who is naturally good with women or spent years learning how to be good with them. You're not the average RP guy. There's a reason there's a MGTOW, and I think a big part of it is because life is short and a man can do everything he can to be healthy, attractive, kind, and then find out at 30-years-old that he's approached women the wrong way his whole life.

[–]RPmatrix 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The new system sucks for unattractive men (who end up nearly entirely sexless), but it also sucks for women in an entirely different way.

Finally I see a post that's hit the nail on the head

The irony I see, is that many men here at TRP "think" that "men made everything that's important" and the Mad Men promoted the Alpha's dreams ... and here we Are!

Well then, I guess they sure fucked up with this part!

The whole sexual paradigm needs top change BUT that's not going to happen until incredibly influential 'social societies' (aka 'religions') and the mainstream media, both, which are highly controlled and manipulated by TPTB, decide to 'sell' a different story, but for the time being, nobody pays their bills better and conforms to the Laws of the Land than ... a Married Man.

As for Machiavellian, read this! www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/index.shtml

  • Enforcement

Factor I

As in every social system approach, stability is achieved only by understanding and accounting for human nature (action/reaction patterns). A failure to do so can be, and usually is, disastrous.

As in other human social schemes, one form or another of intimidation (or incentive) is essential to the success of the draft. Physical principles of action and reaction must be applied to both internal and external subsystems.

  • To secure the draft, individual brainwashing/programming and both the family unit and the peer group must be engaged and brought under control.

Factor II - Father

The man of the household must be housebroken to ensure that junior will grow up with the right social training and attitudes. The advertising media, etc., are engaged to see to it that father-to-be is pussy-whipped before or by the time he is married.

  • He is taught that he either conforms to the social notch cut out for him or his sex life will be hobbled and his tender companionship will be zero. He is made to see that women demand security more than logical, principled, or honorable behavior.

By the time his son must go to war, father (with jelly for a backbone) will slam a gun into junior's hand before father will risk the censure of his peers, or make a hypocrite of himself by crossing the investment he has in his own personal opinion or self-esteem. Junior will go to war or father will be embarrassed. So junior will go to war, the true purpose not withstanding.

Factor III - Mother

The female element of human society is ruled by emotion first and logic second. In the battle between logic and imagination, imagination always wins, fantasy prevails, maternal instinct dominates so that the child comes first and the future comes second.

A woman with a newborn baby is too starry-eyed to see a wealthy man's cannon fodder or a cheap source of slave labor.

  • A woman must, however, be conditioned to accept the transition to "reality" when it comes, or sooner.

As the transition becomes more difficult to manage, the family unit must be carefully disintegrated, and state-controlled public education and state-operated child-care centers must be become more common and legally enforced so as to begin the detachment of the child from the mother and father at an earlier age.

Inoculation of behavioral drugs [Ritalin] can speed the transition for the child (mandatory) (see ADHD/ADD)

Caution: A woman's impulsive anger can override her fear. An irate woman's power must never be underestimated, and her power over a pussy-whipped husband must likewise never be underestimated. It got women the vote in 1920.

Factor IV - Junior

The emotional pressure for self-preservation during the time of war and the self-serving attitude of the common herd that have an option to avoid the battlefield - if junior can be persuaded to go - is all of the pressure finally necessary to propel Johnny off to war. Their quiet blackmailings of him are the threats: "No sacrifice, no friends; no glory, no girlfriends."

Factor V - Sister

And what about junior's sister?

  • She is given all the good things of life by her father, and taught to expect the same from her future husband regardless of the price.

Factor VI - Cattle

Those who will not use their brains are no better off than those who have no brains, and so this mindless school of jelly-fish, father, mother, son, and daughter, become useful beasts of burden or trainers of the same.

And people think TRP is new!

First drafted in 1961 from the Harvard Thinktank which came up with this "concept"!

Like I said to Cis, he forgot the ChickenHawks!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)


--the typical female brain not understanding metaphors

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So girls have to give out free milk and hope they're chosen. Because not giving out the milk is a deal breaker to a valuable man

That is the primary problem facing most women in the SMP/MMP today. They have to give out free milk, because if they don't, they have NO SHOT at all. They even have to give out free milk to some men who they'd never give anything to. They really hate that. It is a tough spot to be in.

But at the same time, if I'm advising men, I have to tell them that though you might understand and even empathize with it, that is not your problem to solve. It's her problem to solve however she can, and her issue to live with.

[–]reigorius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From my experience since my nuclear meltdown of a breakup and the subsequent red rising from the ashes some years ago, girls seem very happy to give the milk out for free. Except from the one girl I wanted it from during the fucking 9 year long dead bedroom spell.

[–]friendlysociopathic -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Accurate, although you missed the bit where you realize that you're a man and you can fix your shit in like 2 years if you bust your balls.

[–]Kaquin 7 points8 points  (1 child)

And you wasted 7 months not getting what you were really after.

It's even more fucked up then that. She didn't just waste 7 months. She wasted 7 months out of the only 10 good years she will ever have, meaning she not only wasted a large chunk of time, but she has to deal with the fact that her little fuck up has severely diminished her SMV as well.

This is why I pity women more then anything else. They subconsciously know that they are running out of time but their hamster will never allow them to consciously face this reality. Hence, they are always doing stupid shit thinking they have all the time in the world, when in reality they do not.

[–]ItIsMyPrivilege 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'll be blue pill for a sec here.

This is why when LTRs don't workout, it hurts. Basically like a girl opening her legs and you saying no.

Now, we do have TRP to help give us insight as to why it didn't work and what to do to maximize success, nonetheless, it still gets you down.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And you wasted 7 months not getting what you were really after.

Girls enjoy sex too.

Just not with betas.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The thing is women are now starting to think more like men i.e. casual sex is all they (claim to) want a lot of the time. The culture promotes it from an early age.

It's interesting to see on one hand you have the sexual liberalization of females and yet on the other hand the same crowd pushing for that complaining about objectification. I've yet to see a prog/fem rationalize that hypocrisy in a logical fashion. Of course we know the answer is maximizing the female sexual imperative.

[–]Nodeal_reddit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Don't forget about the fact that these same liberated women are also now claiming that there aren't enough men to meet their standards for marriage.


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If women weren't dumb as bricks this wouldn't be such a problem for them...

[–]SwissPablo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's hard reading this, but totally right.

[–]Redasshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She won nothing by having sex that night.

She decreased her ability to pairbond. She destroyed her innocence a little bit more. She may even have gotten the reputation of a slut. To put it in a nutshell, having sex by that douchebag bro was not a win for her but a failure.

Sweet, sweet revenge.

[–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No don't worry,she got what she wanted.you don't suck dick for 7monthd begrudgingly.she could have walked off after a month.women don't value commitment as much as trp makes out.womens behaviour en masse clearly demonstrates 18-25 aren't interested in LTRs.they are trapped from not being able to ride the CC.short term commitment is preferable as you can hop from cock to cock in a more socially acceptable way,which is,serial monogamy.a woman is getting way more out of you,than you are limiting yourself to one pussy.sex is easy for he'd to put out. High smv commitment,not much so.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Damn. I almost felt sorry for her.

We shouldn't feel sorry for people because they don't get what they want, though. Such is life.

[–]pcadrian 78 points78 points [recovered]

I can't express how true this is. Anyone who doubts this should hang out at RedPillWomen and see how much actual LTR worthy ladies are struggling to find and secure an Alpha man. The avg woman doesn't stand a chance. The rejection we experience is NOTHING compared to the months and even years of searching they have to do to find what they're after.

[–]reddexx 20 points21 points  (11 children)

And there's the catch. Not every guy is alpha and a prize. Most guys are schmos who barely hold interest to women. If you're an alpha then yes this is true.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 22 points23 points  (8 children)

It's easy as breathing to find fat neckbeard losers, as if girls would ever want that. Finding a man who is capable, confident, and dominant is much jarder for them, throw in good looking and it's near impossible.

It's easy to get laid for men, it's hard for girls to find quality men who will commit to them.

[–]throwaway_dont_judge 29 points29 points [recovered]

I would also say on the flip side, finding a chick who is loyal, somewhat rational and is somewhat good looking is even harder. Even more so in today's age where every chick has multiple social media/hookup apps, where finding or temptation to find some other guy is so easy to do.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 39 points40 points  (3 children)

finding a chick who is loyal, somewhat rational and is somewhat good looking is even harder

Jesus. Look how low the bar has been set. It's on the fucking ground.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They make it all up, there's no such thing

Like a female with good looks who cooks and cleans - Eminem

[–]Redasshole 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course they make it all up.

But at least they bother trying to be a respectable woman.

At least they try.

[–]mrmeyhemn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, when what should be common human decency at its BASE becomes the pinnacle of what makes a "good woman". And they wonder why men aren't trying to get married...

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That's precisely why I am no longer in the LTR market.

[–]reddexx 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I'm not disagreeing. Just pointing out that not every guy is a prize. Our job as men is to become one.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm agreeing with you, simply expounding upon the reality out there.

[–]nishal1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And the alphas that do exist are hella hard to keep I would think. I'm not going to stick around for a woman easily unless she provides enough value to keep me from getting another tight piece of ass.

[–]reigorius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure what to think anymore nowadays. I have one friend who is almost a millionaire, dominant in the relationship, yet he gets fucked once every three weeks. And then I have another friend who looks like a less taller version of George Clooney. He is loved instantly by random girls and women and fuck me if I didn't see it with my own eyes, but once we were cycling to our sport venue, we passed teenage girls on horses, and they were yelling if he was single. Teenaged girls and he looks like he is well over 40. And he too does not get sex often from his girlfriend. Same ratio as the other friend.

And my best friend, an artist, continuously almost broke, no future goals or ambition, just create his shitty art and work, more or less victim of his own pussy carousel, is happily fucking babes left and right and he definitely does not look like a alpha. And girls always come up first to become exclusive.

I want to find a girl for an LTR, but either TRP has colored everything in a certain light or I'm too picky. All the girls seem without depth or interests, almost no humor and basically...boring. I never thought I would have sex with so many girls three years ago. It feels like western cultural has fucked up man-woman relation.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

True, but take RedPillWomen with a grain of salt. Even a woman posting there will be inclined to present herself as more attractive and less crazy than she probably is.

[–]wheyapartment 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Exactly like theredpill...

Men claiming to be banging babes, claiming to have gotten their lives together, etc.

[–]tomysotomayorfuxboys 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Any man who wants straight sex can just go to a hooker. Or they can jack off to any women they want and get the same end result as real sex. Or they can buy some fake-pussy sex toys or sex dolls.

Notice how all these things are looked down on or condemned. Why? Because those things make it too damn easy for any man to get sexual gratification. Sex robots haven't even come out yet, and there are already middle aged feminists calling for them to be banned.

All women aren't 7's, 8's, or 9's, and, if they are, they won't be for too long. Sex is the main thing they have that can attract commitment from men. When they start getting older and all those alphas or guys with good game have disappeared from their lives, they're gonna need a desperate, sexually-deprived beta-backup-plan who is willing to take whatever he can get. Sexual alternatives interfere with that.

[–]afroose 39 points40 points  (2 children)

This is gold, I feel like my anger phase is over, thanks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is really good for lessening the anger phase.

[–]eccentricrealist 26 points27 points  (0 children)

This is actually a pretty good analysis, but you must also take into account that for a lot of betas compromise is the endgame and for that reason they are content to give it away to sluts. That being said that makes them the male equivalent of the slut because after all, betas are going to be looked down upon as well.

[–]BrunoOh 14 points15 points  (21 children)

If I were a girl, I wouldn't even know where to start if I wanted an alpha to commit to me...and that's without things like a hamster getting in the way.

[–]1commentatorX 42 points43 points  (19 children)

Not claiming to be said 'alpha' ... but heres my commitment checklist (FYI: so far, nobody's made the grade) :

  • Reasonably low partner count (including alpha-widow screening)

  • Foundational understanding of logic, reason etc. (I know she won't use it most of the time, but teaching people critical thinking can work wonders)

  • Good relationship with her family, and at least two solid, long-term friends

  • Must have non-basic interests, at least one hobby, ambition and some semblance of a life-plan

  • Must give cracking head, or be comfortable with learning how, and actually enjoy doing so

  • Must conduct herself as a 'lady' on the outside / to the public, to some extent (Madonna paragon)


[–]Monkey_Scrotum_Fever 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Your final point is rightfully the most important. I was talking to a girl, told her that after my semester ended (med school so don't really have time to deal with all the shit that comes with courting a woman) we'd go out and see how we felt. I shit you not, this bitch starts talking about "my plans" for our relationship, "what is our relationship" and all the usual bullshit before I could even finish the shit that was ACTUALLY important to me. The last time she asked me I just looked at her, shook my head and smiled while looking off into the distance away from her, and that was it. She knew she pushed too hard and lost her opportunity to bag herself the guy she'd been dreaming of (and I know she already had our future planned out in her head). It didn't help, either, that she didn't know how to cook and refused to learn, which is a big no-no for me.

[–]LetsGoAllTheWhey 15 points16 points  (0 children)

She was definitely trying to bag an MD.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Lol how did she react to that? did she just change the topic or try to dig at you to rekindle the talk?

[–]Monkey_Scrotum_Fever 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She kept quiet until later when she tells me, "I'm going to send you the pics we took tonight so you can post them on Instagram." I looked at her and said "God willing" with a smirk, which is the nice way in Arabic to say no. She gave me a pouty face and I gave her a "well this is your fault" look and she walked me to my car. I never got those pics lol.

What really pissed me off is that not only was she trying to tie me down ASAP but she wanted to try and scare off the girls of Instagram (and I'm sure it would've been Facebook too, if I had one). I never told her to post pics of us and shit so leave me alone and don't micromanage my insta page. I wasn't even really dating her and she already made it bigger than it was. I could see our future of her fighting for control of the relationship (and me) which I wasn't too excited about. Jesus the list could go on about all the crazy she was trying to bring into my world.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

And she needs to know how to cook a healthy homemade meal

[–]1commentatorX 4 points5 points  (0 children)

True, true. But that one I list under 'basic' - modern women don't seem to share the same understanding lol

[–]Adeus_Ayrton 13 points14 points  (3 children)

You haven't mentioned looks. Is that a 9/10 ? 8 ? 7 ? Even 6 with those traits would make a unicorn lol.

[–]1commentatorX 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Redheads with facial symmetry, 7 and above really. Then again, I've been told I have 'unusual tastes' so our scales will vary.

About to turn 30 and I'm fairly certain I don't want kids, so committing to one woman doesn't benefit me in any way. If I never find someone that fulfils my requirements, I'm comfortable with that - but I'll never compromise on a LTR ever again.

[–]Cookiest 3 points4 points  (1 child)

how do you alpha widow screen?

[–]1commentatorX 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Whenever sexual experience / past relationships come up, much like 99% of women, I lie. I say things I know aren't true, like:

"Someone that's judgemental about your number is usually insecure about theirs." - "People get competitive about their psycho exes now, it's so funny. We've all got at least one."

Adopt this libertine / non-judgemental stance, and just see what it encourages. Most of the time girls will practically ooze out their track record and baggage for you. My commitment disqualification buzzer goes off, but I'm all smiles; it doesn't bother me, because now I know all she's good for is sex. 'But they lie' you say? That's fine, take your time, don't rush; the truth will out eventually.. trickle truth is ubiquitous. If you're planning to get serious with a woman, you'll meet her friends / family / maybe even exes at some point depending on circumstance (remember: this is all still the screening stage) - she might choose to keep quiet about her days on the CC or swanning about with George Clooney to you, but her wider circle? Doubt it.

[–]BrunoOh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course. But how should she avoid getting pumped and dumped?

[–]always_theoptimist 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Great post. It all stems back to what modern feminism wants us to forget: Men and women are different - in their needs, skills, value, etc. Many women today have fallen under the feminist spell that they can act as men do and have the same success in life. She'll be promiscuous in her younger years and wonder as she crashes into the wall why a "good" man she can settle down with hasn't come her way. It's because men's behavior works for what they're going after (sex), whereas true feminine behavior is what results in commitment.

[–]MikePatton-yakyakyak 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This changed everything for me. The realization is that she's privileged and lucky to be with me, not the other way around. I was 90% redpilled for the longest time but I didn't go a full 100% until I adopted this mindset. I'm the prize.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Commitment isn't fun. Sex is.

[–]mrmeyhemn 29 points30 points  (4 children)

While this is true you must remember that women and betas are dumb as fuck. They think that pussy is gold and artificially inflate the market value. The sheer volume of betas willing to commit for even once a month starfish is ludicrous.

Lesson learned, thirsty betas fuck up prices in the smp

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

They inflate the value of pussy, but also inflate the value of much needed alphas. Men with strong frame, physicality, social acumen are so rare that really you want betas to keep you an in-demand product.

Sure it would be nicer if all men were men like in times of old, and women learnt the ways of femininity and so on, but we are long passed all that. The phrase enjoy the decline is thrown around here a lot for that exact reason; shits fucked up, but an alpha is still as in demand as ever, hence why we all lift.

[–]mrmeyhemn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They do love them some man. When betas inflate the cost it hurts everyone. Betas more so,but they don't get that they'd be better to withdrawal a bit and let the market dry up. That alone would bump those in 35-40% up to around 30%. But 40-100 are selfish and wont take the hit. The market place is rough.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Too true, rough as fuck be you alpha, beta, omega, any sucker... rain 40 days and 40 nights

[–]Hippo_Kankles 11 points12 points  (1 child)

"Chad CrackerCock™" Bro i just fell off my chair laughing, this really made my day. Id give you gold if my paycheck hadn't been donated the the relationship charity of a bitch girlfriend.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

bro that's your money. you made it. you did the work to get it. why are you giving it away?

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 12 points13 points  (8 children)

Every girl wants to reach for the stars. Sometimes it's all they have going for them in life.

Imagine that you were a girl and every single day you spent an hour getting pretty to go outside. You know that you are vapid. You're just like any other basic bitch in your vicinity. What else do you have going for you except trying to hit the man lottery? Your only value is your looks.

Here's a question for everyone. Would you truly commit and be happy with someone that is 1-2 points in value below you? I'm not just talking about SMV, I'm talking about overall value.

[–]NecroticFury 21 points22 points  (7 children)

a woman can be so many things besides her looks, yet she chooses to only be her looks. I have no empathy.

[–]Uptonogood 10 points11 points  (6 children)

This is true. Girls with actual hobbies and interesting conversations are very rare.

One time I asked by text a girl I was seeing what were her hobbies. The only answer she could muster was "painting my nails". I nexted her right that fucking moment.

[–]Redasshole 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I talked to a guy who is in my class this year (college).

Me: "so what are your hobbies? What is your passion in life?"

Him: "well....nothing....I smoke weed! Joking, I stopped LOL. Well...I watch TV and I go to bars....oh and I play video games. My rommate has a ps4"

I consider myself a loser. But still, I'm at least trying to improve.

[–]dreckmal 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Funnily enough, it seems like the girls with interesting hobbies were introduced by some other interesting guy, be it father/grandfather/former BF/etc...

[–]Uptonogood 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Oh that happens a lot. Many girls are like social chameleons in that regard. In which the sum of their tastes and hobbies are just the one's from the guy she's seeing at the moment.

Suddenly that party girl becomes a geek interested in science or becomes the greatest lover of old cars ever just because her chad happens to be into it.

You have to look at what she does when she's single. Judging an woman's interests while she's in an LTR is worthless.

edit: Except Horse girls. Those are fucking crazy irregardless.

[–]mrmeyhemn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've dated 4 "horse girls". Every one of them 100% batshit insane/selfish/demanding/materialistic cunts. 010 would not do again, avoid horse girls at all cost.

[–]BloodRoseTRP 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The unfortunate reality is too many men give away their most valuable asset - time and commitment - far too quickly, in the hopes of enjoying pity sex once in a while. A large part of internalising red pill concepts for many is realising what a poor deal they voluntarily walked themselves into.

[–]blimp11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nice post.. I just think it's almost impossible to hold a ltr/marriage with women in these times.

[–]friendlysociopathic 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I hate your writing style but the actual thought/content in this post is absolutely fantastic. This is proper post anger-phase grown up TRP stuff.

[–]RPmatrix 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I hate your writing style but the actual thought/content in this post is absolutely fantastic. This is proper post anger-phase grown up TRP stuff

My sentiments exactly OP, I just didn't know how to put them so succinctly

[–]1RedPillJax 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks man. Nothing else to say but this was a great read, and I really enjoyed your perspective. I needed that this weekend. Cheers.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I suppose it all comes down to value as usual. If you increase your value, you increase your chances of being a man worth committing to both short and long term.

Women control sex, making it somewhat random for men, but you can still tweak that in your favour of course. And we may control commitment, but only if you have value to begin with. I loved this breakdown, just bare in mind that to hold this frame, you need value to begin with, otherwise you won't have sex or commitment.

[–]pilledwillingly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excellent post, a definite reframe on the whole situation.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Good analysis

You've gotta be the prize because ANY woman can provide sex, so long as she's not hideous. The be-all-end-all of woman's value can be provided by virtually any woman, about as well as any other. Imagine if you had to try and get laid but weren't allowed to do anything unless it could be done by literally every other man. It'd make shit hard right?

Now imagine if that prize was only good for ten minutes at a time...

[–]JumpXVI[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Right, and this is exactly why my scenario started with the HB6 rather than some dream scenario where Victoria's Secret models are offering caveat-free sex but only to you.

Sure, a guy would love to be able to earn to "right" to fuck Adriana Lima, but assuming that gaming a woman as hot as that is as difficult as one would imagine, and you have her HB6 makeup artist willing to drag you into her office for a good 10 minutes, you're gonna take the latter. If only because both girls aren't even mutually exclusive...and even if they were, like you'll-never-have-a-chance-with-Adriana-Lima-again! exclusive, you're taking the HB6.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (5 children)

One of the ways feminists define "patriarchy" is a system where male traits are valued over female traits. Male traits, near as I can tell, are traits that get shit done because a dick's certainly not worth more than a vagina. Patriarchy is a system to be prized. It's one where bridges get built, diseases get cured, and world's get explored. Gynocracy is one where nothing gets done and we just sit around and oggle the prettiest girl.

The trope is that all men think about is sex but it's quite frankly not true. Men worry about getting shit done and about the good of the world. The reality is that all women can think of is sex and that's why the big victories of feminism are shit that get women more laid instead of shit that cures cancer. When men were in charge, people had productive families, one woman each, and a productive economy. With women in charge, everything goes to shit but twenty year old women can have a lot of sex.

[–]swifterrr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What are stereotypically seen as male centric traits?

[–]dreckmal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aggression, adventurousness, confidence, courage, bravery, honesty, loyalty, etc...

[–]RPmatrix -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Patriarchy is a system to be prized. It's one where bridges get built, diseases get cured, and world's get explored.

You forgot to mention the constant Wars and Black Budget pissing competitions

And "if the Patriarchy IS in Control", then you can bet you arse 'feminism' is their construct ... following this 'logic"

Such a generalization is sadly another RP fallacy which I'm not going to extrapolate upon .... again!

You said you know better than this Cis, said you'd studied Logic ...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Wars show up no matter who's in charge and staying that feminism is patriarchy's construct is like saying that the Vandals were the woman's military since the Romans were in charge when they destroyed it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I believe this a false premise, no matter how prevalent and strongly stated here. I think what TRP is a very good defensive framework for dealing with the fickle nature of women. I apply it everyday. But there are those here who think AWALT is a cop out, adding legitimacy to an inherently defensive framework. I, for one, know plenty of women who don't fall into the AWALT description. I have dated them, things don't work out, and contrary to popular opinion here, we settled into mutually respectful friendships. That said, this is rare, but it does happen. We settled into a mutual awareness of our respective "prize level". That's very very cool. There is misogyny here on TRP, but not in the way feministas promote it. There is a cutting off your nose to spite your face because you have yet to progress to a place where you realize that many of TRP principles are still part of the problem and not the solution to making this world a better place. TRP is a defensive strategy. It is far from a transcendent one. Be the man who acts in the interest of harmony between sexes. TRP is but the first step. Graduate from TRP.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven't found any. Even nice girls show the AWALT side in time. I just keep watching and they keep doing it.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, getting laid is relatively easy. Our real challenge as men, should we choose to accept it, is to get the HB8s to be faithful throughout the sex.

Pretty much give up on it. It's worth tapping if you can avoid a crazy-bitch. It's worth dumping if it turns out she was just better than average at hiding being crazy. Faithful?

Women need to be raised right to believe in that. If she had poor parenting up to age 6 you better believe she'll never be faithful. Ever

As for the commitment prize: this only has value if a woman can see you may give in to her will and that you must have resources for her to consume. If you are a playboy, making your way on her emotions but have no money for her, your commitment has near-zero value to her, but she's just to wrapped up in emotions and sex to notice at first. She'll figure out pretty quick that if you were committed you'd be a loser to her for having your will broken yet having no money for her.

[–]Redasshole 0 points1 point  (2 children)

High value male are rare. So their commitment is also rare. Only way to go: become high value.

Question :

An alpha man willing to commit to and provide for her. Gentlemen, this prize takes a hell of a lot longer to get than it takes to get 10 minutes of decent sex with a hard 6 who only wants some fun with no strings attached.

I didn't understand your sentence fully so I added in bold what I think it means, can you confirm please?

Again, getting laid is relatively easy. Our real challenge as men, should we choose to accept it, is to get the HB8s to be faithful throughout the sex. Essentially TRP on hard mode—a real, long-term relationship. Difficult, but possible.

For those of you familiar with me already or are regular readers of this blog, this post is going to be very old stuff you’ve heard many times before, so you’re welcome to take the day off today. This blog has received a lot of new readers lately, so for their benefit I’m going to quickly walk through the essentials just to bring everyone up to speed. It will help put my other posts here in context.

My primary point: Monogamy is a very bad idea for the vast majority of the population of the modern western world. It doesn’t work and causes more harm than good.

My secondary point: If you know this and get monogamous anyway, you have no right to complain to anyone about your relationship problems. You dug your grave, now enjoy it.

The debate is actually two different sub-debates. The first is regarding long-term monogamy, or “Disney monogamy”, that I define as any monogamy expected to last at least three years or longer, and with zero expectation of cheating or a breakup/divorce or the relationship “going bad” at some point.

As an example, moving in together or getting married are examples of Disney monogamy, since that’s when monogamy is expected to last “the rest of your life”, or at least for many, many years.

The second sub-debate is regarding short-term monogamy or serial monogamy, which is a monogamous relationship where you might like things to go past three years, but don’t really have that expectation or need. If you break up before three years, it might be a little sad, but it’s more or less okay with you, and then you move on to get temporarily monogamous with the next sucker, uh, I mean, person.

Long-term Disney monogamy absolutely does not work. Depending on your age and where you live, there is a 50% to 68% chance that you will eventually get divorced or break up at some point, and usually this breakup will be emotionally painful and destructive and may cause serious financial damage to one or both parties, as well as seriously emotionally damage children if there are any involved.

Of the people who beat the odds and stay together, more than half of these people end up cheating or getting cheated on. Which means…guess what…by definition you aren’t monogamous any more, and monogamy has failed once again.

This bears clarifying because a lot of people really misunderstand this (or refuse to admit it). Let me be clear: If you are in a relationship where you have tolerated a cheating partner, you are in an open relationship whether you admit it or not. You are not practicing monogamy. You can say you’re monogamous all you want. You aren’t. I’ve had a lot of people defend their “monogamous” relationships to me only to later admit that they’ve recently cheated or their partner has cheated. I always find that amusing.

Of the small percentage of modern-day people who get together, stay together forever, and never cheat, more than half of these people end up in a bad marriage where they just “put up” with each other because they fear a divorce more than their continual suffering. Many of you have grandparents or elderly parents who fall into this category. They’re together, but they’re not happy together.

There are stats available everywhere to confirm the numbers above. If you don’t believe me, by all means don’t take my word for it. Do the research yourself and you’ll see I’m correct. You can start with the free ebook on this topic I wrote several years ago. It’s right here.

When all the stats are crunched, it leaves approximately 13% of the population who can make long-term monogamy work. Hilariously, almost 100% of the population, likely including YOU, think they’re in this 13%. Have you ever seen those surveys that show 75% of people think they’re “above average” in looks? It’s the same moronic phenomenon with the Disney monogamy stuff. Everyone thinks they’re special. Uh, no. Only a few people are special. That’s why they’re called special. Moreover, being “special” in this case is not a very good thing. I shall explain.

Let me now prove to you why you’re not in that 13%, and why that’s perfectly okay and not as horrible a thing as you think. We know from stats and research that these 13% almost always:

A) have low sex drives

B) are boring people very satisfied living a boring life

C) tend to fall in love with other low sex drive, boring people

If any one of the above categories do not apply to you, any one of them, then you are not in that 13%. Your desire for sex and excitement or your partner’s desire for these things will eventually, maybe not right now but eventually, terminate the relationship or destroy the monogamous aspects of it by cheating.

Thus getting into a long-term monogamous relationship or marriage and expecting it to last forever monogamously or expecting it to make you happy long-term is a very silly, dangerous, and destructive thing for you to do, and not only for you, but for your partner and current and future children. Better options are getting an open marriage, or a swinger marriage, or never getting legally married (just move in together, have kids, and write up a parenting plan), or if you want to take the worst option, become a permanent serial monogamist. Serial monogamy is still problematic, but it’s better and less destructive than Disney monogamy by far.

Which brings us to the second argument regarding serial monogamy, i.e. monogamy that is not expected to last very long. Serial monogamy is way better than Disney monogamy, but it’s still not ideal because it creates massive amounts of drama and emotional ups and downs in peoples’ lives. Once the NRE honeymoon period ends (usually lasting around three months), drama slowly begins, intensifies, then an eventual breakup occurs, then a new relationship begins with someone new, and the silly cycle repeats.

The serial monogamy lifestyle is chaotic, dramatic, tedious, a hell of a lot of work (in some ways, more work than Disney monogamy, since Disney monogamy is at least monotonous and predictable) and while it may satisfy certain needy emotional needs, it does not make people long-term happy.

However, if you are one of those high-emotional types who truly “like” relationship drama (and I know there’s a lot of you out there!) then I suppose serial monogamy is an acceptable thing for you. However, as I said at the very beginning, you do not have the right to whine, bitch, and complain about your dramatic relationship problems, because you have chosen monogamy specifically for these problems. If you hit yourself in the head with a hammer because you “kinda like pain”, I don’t ever want to hear you complain your head hurts. Feel the pain you’ve chosen and shut up. If you don’t like the pain, stop hitting yourself with a hammer and do something else.

I’m sorry to be so simple, but that really is how this works.

People who get into monogamous relationships even while fully understanding the problems of said relationships also tend to be people who place a lower value on their future happiness. Their happiness now is all that matters. They will say things like, “Why are you bothering me about something that might happen years down the road? I’ve never been so happy! If I get a divorce/breakup or get cheated on down the road, who cares? I’m happy NOW. So leave me alone.”

These are people who “don’t mind” if they get divorced or cheated on or have a huge horrible breakup…just as long as it happens far down the road at some distant point in their future.

One of the core aspects of an Alpha existence is long term happiness. The only way to achieve this is to value your future happiness every bit as much as your present happiness. Thus a true Alpha (not a Needy Alpha) avoids monogamy, as well as long term legal commitments to women in his personal life, specifically for this reason. Being happy now but angry later is no victory. But that’s a big topic for another time.

[–]Redasshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So while I do consider short-term serial monogamy a notch or two “less bad” than long-term Disney monogamy, that’s not saying much. One doesn’t work at all. The other is a constant up-and-down roller coaster of highs and lows. Open relationships (FB or MLTR), with an OLTR or OTLR marriage as the endgame goal, is a much better path for the vast majority of people in the modern era and in the western world. (I am not talking about past eras, and I’m not talking about cultures outside of the western world.)

Millions of people all over the western world now have open relationships or (discreet) open marriages. I’ve talked about these on this blog and in my ebooks extensively.

Of course I’ve left out a lot of the side points, but this is just a summary. Every excuse you can think of against what I’m saying I’ve addressed before in my other writings, including that free ebook I mentioned. Again, if you think I’m completely full of shit, if you think I’m making all this stuff up, that’s fine. Google around and locate the all data, studies, and statistics on your own. You’ll find the exact same statistics I’ve described (plus or minus a few percentage points based on the individual stat or study).

Regardless, saying “monogamy doesn’t work” is only the first step. It’s only defining the problem. The real mission is to determine other more realistic, more happy, less harmful life paths that still satisfy your emotional, societal, sexual, and Disney needs. There are many and I’ve written about all of them. FB, WD, MLTR, OLTR, live-in OLTR, OLTR marriage, swinging, etc.

Contrary to what you’ve been told your whole life, you have many other viable options in life besides monogamy, even if you want to “settle down” and have kids.

Taken from the black dragon blog

[–]JumpXVI[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't understand your sentence fully so I added in bold what I think it means, can you confirm please?

No qualifier necessary. The literal, physical act of sticking a penis into a vagina is much less difficult to achieve than committing to a partner. You could meet your soulmate tomorrow and it can be love at first sight, but when will you have committed to each other? It might not even happen if Chad Thundercock comes by and catches her and her hypergamy off guard and something "just haaaaappens".

Let me now prove to you why you’re not in that 13%, and why that’s perfectly okay and not as horrible a thing as you think. We know from stats and research that these 13% almost always:

A) have low sex drives

So two people in a monogamous relationship who both have normal sex drives are both going to feel their sexual needs aren't being met, and/or will be easily tempted to fornicate? Not sure I buy it.

[–]BlueFreedom420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is that there is an army of beta males who give females their commitment needs fulfilled. Not to mention big government and the internet. They just create a youtube/twitch channel shake some cleavage and bam they get that box checked. Even if its superficial, its good enough for most. This keeps the bubble alive.

Beta males are the problem.

[–]NecroticFury -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So because they are indulgent they have it harder then men? I disagree. A life of constant sex without commitment is better than no sex and no commitment.

Your entire argument makes no sense and requires we get in a woman's mind to understand. Frankly, if they had the ability to introspect at all they would be able to navigate this problem effectively.

A man needs to concur himself in order to concur the world in order to concur a woman. Its a fucking process. A woman needs to concur a single man to get access to his empire. It is so much easier for women, you have no idea what you are saying.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

LOL my wife literally married the first box of cracker jacks she opened. The exception doesn't make the rule, and she still is subject to AWALT

[–]druganswer 1 points1 points [recovered]

An alpha man willing to commit to and provide for her. Gentlemen, this prize takes a hell of a lot longer to get than 10 minutes of decent sex.

I didn't read your whole post (sorry), but I honestly think women aren't exactly programmed like that. If they're hot enough that they can fuck any guy, then what would make them want to have a relationship with the top of their range... where they're constantly worried about losing the commitment? Yes, I understand that's part of the tingles but if they go for the lower end of their acceptable range they can fuck alpha guys all over the place and still lock down commitment from someone they may not be quite as attracted to but that provides all of their emotional needs.

Basically AF/BB... Making girls chase definitely keeps them around but I don't think that is their ideal setup. How many hot guys do you see girls call "Undateable!" ... they'll call this guy for a fuck or ten but they aren't particularly trying to lock the guy down... instinctively knowing he'll be a shitty choice for commitment. Say the girl is a 9... She'd much rather lock down the 7 or 8 rather than the 9 and then go fuck the 9's and 10's on the side while having a stable relationship.

NOTE: This is for girls that are hot enough to fuck anyone... girls who aren't as hot definitely will get stage 5 clinger (alpha widow) on a guy she fucks that is out of her league.

[–]Clemence999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is precisely why I do not agree to monogamy. Doing so, offering that level of commitment, is entering the woman's frame. Women are well aware that commitment from a high value man is worth more than sex from any girl on the planet, and they are also aware that male sexuality naturally seeks a variety of partners.

The very fact that you have agreed to sleep with only her makes her less attracted to you.

[–]throwaway_holla 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Just curious, and don't take this as a slam; I'm just asking a question:

How old are you?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is where the term "fuck boy" comes from. It's meant to try and shame men who are out for just casual sex and not committing to the girl. This is used help women hamster to the max and make them feel good about themselves. Now he's the asshole and a loser for fucking her and not committing. But when it boils down to it, he's the winner for being able to get what he wants (sex) and being able to get out without committing.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You want an honest to God, raw as fuck example of how men are the masters of commitment? My best friend of ten years. My brst friend, whom im going to be the best man at his wedding next year... Has a gorgeous fiance. Shes got this skin and this body, oh my fucking GOD. I want to fuck the dog shit out of her. So so bad. Every time i see her. especially tonight. Got a bunch of midrift going and i got a savage case of the iwannaseeums. Will i ever fuck her? No i wont. Hes my best friend. and THAT a woman cant do. #micdrop

[–]shadowq8 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Man hedonism and sex appeal marketing fucked up societies

[–]BowlOfCandy -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This is essentially introduction to MGTOW