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Rant/VentingMen aren't taught how to be attractive. Women are born into it. (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]Code_Bordeauxx 438 points439 points  (49 children)

Interesting thoughts. But it's worse than you portray. Not only are men not taught how to attract girls, we're actively being misguided. 'Just be yourself', 'share your feelings', 'buy her presents'. That's why it's so effective. If you don't know something you naturally look for answers, which you will find through observation soon enough. But if you were fed lies you perceive as truths it turns you into a complacent idiot who thinks he himself is the problem. TRP isn't just some stuff you need to learn. It's the stuff that you need to unlearn that matters the most.

Lastly, you're an idiot for mentioning TRP in real life. You're playing with fire and you will get burnt.

[–]ShounenEgo 94 points95 points  (11 children)

"Just be yourself" works for them because they want the alpha who grew up to be comfortable with his masculinity naturally. Every beta who's trying to become an alpha is a faker and is met with "that's just not you".

[–]Code_Bordeauxx 60 points61 points  (7 children)

Don't forget it's also a case of keeping betas betas. Girls can't have too many providing betas around and they don't like to lose a source of their validation and free stuff. I think this may be just as big an incentive for them to act the way they do.

And I think there's one factor there that's most important and not even malevolent in its nature: girls simply don't know any better than that it works. "Just be yourself" has always worked for them after all. It's a typical case of projection. I think most of them genuinly believe it to be sound advice. That's why mothers tell it to their very own children.

[–]2Overkillengine 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Don't forget it's also a case of keeping betas betas. Girls can't have too many providing betas around and they don't like to lose a source of their validation and free stuff. I think this may be just as big an incentive for them to act the way they do.

This. She gets little to no immediate personal benefit from multiple alpha males in her circle, as they rarely provide more than they receive, while beta males do.

It's effective in the short term.

Until they Dale Earnhardt.

[–]Hydris 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Until they Dale Earnhardt.

Never heard it put like that. Thats awful and great at the same time.

[–]JimRim 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That HANS device feels like a goddamn noose around my neck.

[–]P-Nuddy 12 points12 points [recovered]

At the same time "being yourself" is good advice though. You need to do what you really want to do at the deepest level. It doesn't mean to stay acting like a loser... Its just a nuanced point that can be misinterpreted. I think the advice is good for people who have low confidence in their interests or think that they need to please others.

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When people say "be yourself", what they really mean is "don't be awkward, but don't be canned and rehearsed either." They want you be comfortable, confident, smooth. That's easier to deal with than a person who's awkward or forced.

What people don't talk about is that becoming confident, comfortable, etc is something that takes practice and skill. They don't realize that sometimes awkward or rehearsed is precisely what a person is, because they're unskilled.

So hitting the gym, working at your craft, etc is good advice. Because you'll develop discipline, skill, confidence. You're still yourself before and after.

[–]solaris1990 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think this is what it's intended by it. Being yourself isn't something that should exclude self-development or mean that you should be wholly transparent and vulnerable to anyone. Some guys try to 'be themselves' without seeking to 'improve themselves' and surprise surprise they become disgruntled.

For example, for this sub I try to internalize things I find desirable, behaviours, habits and so forth, and by doing so and putting them into practice it feels like they become a part of me rather than something I'm forcing on for the sake of getting more girls or whatever. Conversely, I wouldn't like to adopt so many of those at once that it would essentially feel like an act... I can imagine some guys trying to adopt the whole RP docrine in one swallow or something - with them I guess the girl in OP's conversation would have a point in saying 'you're not being true to yourself' because self-development happens in stages.

[–]Nespos 57 points58 points  (1 child)

And here we're reminded that women are programmed to look for genetic markers of fitness. I believe that's what "natural" really means in this context. They'll discourage you from becoming "too muscular" when you start lifting, they'll tell you that you seem cold and distant when you learn to be stoic, and they sure as hell don't want to know that you're online reading about how to "get laid."

Look at height as a nearly universally attractive trait in men. Women know you can't fake that. They see tall and they see strong genes. If tomorrow they were to come out with a "tall pill," women would come up with every excuse in the book to get you not to take it.

[–]KonigInPreussen 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"Taking the tall pill to trick women into liking you, is a sign of objectification.
Only misogynists would take something that objectifies women."

[–]ColdEiric 6 points7 points  (0 children)

'Just be yourself' works for women, because a young, naive, innocent girl who recently got to puberty, who recently grew and got a woman's body parts, she is 'just herself'. She talks and says things without thinking, because she has no theory, no experience, no nothing. She is 'just being herself'. That's why she's attractive. She just has to become 15 to be attractive.

And it's so insulting to listen to it, because we have to become tested and molded by the successful, silver-hair'd alpha males first, to be able to be attractive AND to 'just be yourself'.

[–]ScoobyGang 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Listen to this man, especially about his last point. With this girl you had time to explain yourself and you have some history so you mollified it. Watch out though, you won't have that opportunity if word get around, which it will, people talk. People jump to conclusions, it's easier, no woman is going to be self-contemplating about this enough to sympathize with the enemy. It might end up hurting your sexual strategy. In the future, if a woman somehow discovers you frequent the red pill I would dismiss. Say you went on there for shits and giggles or better yet just don't say anything and change the subject. It's a very political matter, and just like dynamics, the best way to exploit a situation is to not expose yourself. We're all behind enemy lines, and the situation just gets more difficult to handle if you flaunt your perception.

[–]larrythetomato 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Not only are men not taught how to attract girls, we're actively being misguided. 'Just be yourself', 'share your feelings', 'buy her presents'.

It's funny you say that, because women are being misguided to shit by the same crowd: fat acceptance, become a lawyer, fucking losers will make you happy, you can have it all. The feminist crowd has fucked shit up for everyone.

Lastly, you're an idiot for mentioning TRP in real life. You're playing with fire and you will get burnt.

It's different when it is one-on-one, if you can calmly explain things while her insults roll off, they you can do whatever you want. If he speaks as he wrote, he could be explaining to her why fedora+fat+neckbeard is the ultimate chick magnet combination. When conversing with women and in public in general, content is the least important thing, it's all about presentation.

[–]Oh_FuFu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don't be the type of asshole people don't like. Be the type of asshole people like.

For example, be the type of asshole that makes your mom laugh and love you. Be the type of asshole that makes your girl laugh and love you. Sometimes you gotta make me cry too.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (15 children)

deleted What is this?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (7 children)

You have an unpopular opinion because it's wrong. Lots of guys just weren't taught growing up, they were taught lies. Blue pillers don't bitch and moan, they don't even understand that they are blue pillers.

He has a great post, yours...not so good. Calling his post stupid shit?

[–]MatrixDream 5 points5 points [recovered]

Nature vs nurture. It's both. It's a combination of how your inherent personality reacts to everything you have been exposed to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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[–]1DRMMR76 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You do realize the act of observing the environment and then forging your own is by definition being taught right? Not from a person, but you are still learning skills you did not have before by gathering outside information and taking it in. When a child burns his hand on a stove for the first time and learns not to do that again, is he not taught not to touch a hot stove? Does it not count as teaching or learning since it wasn't a human being telling him not to do it?

The fact is that many males are actively taught the wrong things by their environment. Schools that downplay winning and achievement, parents no longer pushing their young boys to get into sports, TV and movies pushing the idea of the shy awkward selfless Beta getting the girl in the end after she choosing him over the "asshole". All of these things are teaching boys every day.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

deleted What is this?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Op pointed out that Miranda brought up trp. He was just more honest with his answer.

[–]CrackityDiggity 84 points85 points  (6 children)

And if you don't agree that women resent deliberate attempts by men to be more attractive, consider this: men don't mind it when women wear make-up, fake tits, hair extensions, high heels etc. But try wearing platform shoes, a toupee, or shoulder pads and see how women react. ;)

Great post. A very Socratic dialogue.

[–]NiceKicksGabe 19 points20 points  (3 children)

seinfeld episode addresses this.

[–]CrackityDiggity 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Do you know the season / episode # and/or title? I wouldn't mind going back and watching this.

[–]FeeFeeFeaster 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Season 6, Episode 16 - "The Beard"

Key scene is Elaine ripping the toupee off George's head, running over to the open window, and yelling "I don't like this thing!. And here's what I'm doing with it!" She then throws it out the window and walks away, smiling with satisfaction that she reset George back to beta.

[–]OilyB 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I sometimes think that's why some women are disappointed in men: their standards of men are much too high, they think we're gods. And then we turn out to be fallible and human. And they're disappointed. They raised their standards so they expect even higher standards from us. That's why I like TRP - it raised a man's standards and expectations of himself. But women should really start to understand we're human first.

[–]Rebikhan 57 points58 points  (8 children)

That last point- that "naturals" really just learned these lessons earlier is so crucial. No one comes out of the womb with all the tactics, skills, and confidence to become attractive to women. Some boys are just more willing to take the risks early to learn the lessons on the playground. Doesn't matter if they're naturally less risk averse, had a big brother to teach them, or happened to be in circumstances where they got more time with girls. These lessons were learned, not innate.

The reason "naturals" appear natural is only because they hide the lessons and use the experience. They make their accomplishments seem effortless.

Excellent post, thank you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Self-actualization is great. I'd go as far as to say it is the average man's duty to take the legos & play-dough they're made of and build it into all they can be. Alas, in moderation - it's also their duty to keep that mushy contraption safe by recognizing and staying the fuck away from the metal shredders built out of titanium. Too many people take it too far and end up losing everything they gained - and then some - by trying to compete with their genetic superiors.

[–]Tiborik 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Too many people take it too far and end up losing everything they gained - and then some - by trying to compete with their genetic superiors

Can you explain this to me?

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pretty simple stuff, applicable everywhere. Some strictly "RP" related examples:

  • Don't take dates or your GF to clubs if you're still working out (many) social flaws.
  • Don't be in situations where you can get yourself seriously (physically) fucked up.
  • Don't introduce your 2nd/3rd date (and for a long time) to your hotter friends.

But more in general... don't try to square up against people where the chance of you losing is too high. What do I mean by this? Everything. It's confusing because it's so ubiquitous. If you're at a company for a year, don't bump heads with guys who've been there for a decade. If you've got your own business, don't compete directly against those ran by more disciplined & capable people - you'll just waste years of your life when you declare bankruptcy.

So far, so on. It's basically you do you but have common sense. For example, if you're visiting and in a bar in south Brazil, look around before hitting on a girl or you might catch a swift right to your jaw shortly after saying "Hello".

[–]BruceIsTheBatman 2 points3 points  (3 children)

In other words, "naturals" have more experience because they started early. Well, yeah, that's been the definition of a natural since forever.

[–]4175186461 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I think what they mean by "natural" is someone who didn't have to learn. Someone who tries something once and finds out that he excels at it.

[–]1DRMMR76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The key is though that women tend to think subconsciously that it's genetic.

[–]trpfaust 87 points88 points  (4 children)

The point that men learn to be attractive is an interesting one. Back when boys could be boys, all of this would have been learned on the playground. But the combination of more boys being raised by single mothers who teach them to 'respect' girls, along with 'zero tolerance' policies for boyish behavior means that far fewer men will learn these truths earlier in life, and will come to depend on the internet to teach them. I'm certainly a part of this group, and the growing RP community is a testament to this trend.

[–]osaka_love_thief 64 points65 points  (2 children)

Let me tell you about a recent experience I had. So I went on this hiking trip and decided to car pool (cuz my hellaflush sports car is too low for gravel roads and I'm not sittin on bags... ok ok its not that low but you get the point) with a group of friends and a buddy of mine who has the hots for this single mother (early 30's in great shape takes care of herself but still... single mamas gonna single mama) is driving.

So anyhow single Mama has two little sons aged I think 9 and 7 in the backseat who upon first glance seemed just like two normal boys until I paid much closer attention. What I noticed when the boys began to get into a minor physical altercation (just pushing and shoving and a few slaps) that Single mama would instantly grow frustrated and shoot straight into "Holy shit nuclear launch detected" mode and began shrieking "HEY CUT THAT OUT NO HITTING OR WE STOP THE CAR". Single Mama's little runts soon started passively trying to manipulate their Mother into this sort of blame game where "Hey he started it" and blah blah blah instead of just finishing what they started until one of them admitted defeat and authority was reestablished.

Contrast this to when I was on the hike and there was a two parent family who also had two sons of roughly the same age. While hiking behind them I saw the little brother chuck a rock at older brother for shits and giggles. The Mother of the family turned to the Father and he whispered something in her ear as older brother turned around and shoved lil bro to the dirt. No fussing no whining just older bro using raw brute force to remind lil bro to stay in line or get hit; no "lets play mind games to convince mother who should be blamed" or anything. Afterwards lil bro got up brushed himself off and the family just kinda kept hiking like nothing happened. Brothers fight a lot... every parent knows this; a friend who worked as a middle school teacher once told me "You can tell which guys grew up with brothers; they can take a hit and aren't afraid of fights".

And just for kicks... later in the afternoon(it was like a 5 hour hike) on the steepest part of the trail guess which group of boys started complaining and had their mother take them back to the car for snacks and drinks because it was "too painful on their feet". You have two choices; the brothers who fight or the overly sensitive new age modern boys who cry to mama whenever things get too hard and difficult. Finally one last thing; I overheard from single mama that "It really scares me when my boys start fighting; I'm never sure what to do, I just panic thinking that they could hurt each other".

Lastly perhaps the strongest indicator that brothers who fight trust each other more was when the boys from the two parent family got lost for a bit and when the hiking group I was with caught up with them older brother had fashioned some sort of weapon from a large tree branch and lil bro had a small handful of rocks. The parents reprimanded the boys to which the eldest brother said something along the lines of "You told me to look out for lil bro if we got separated and I didn't want him to get hurt so I found this big stick".

Its strange how the brothers who fight all the time had this strong bond with each other, I could only imagine what the "sensitive boys" would have done in that same situation. I swear I only observe minor things like this since after reading TRP... but anyhow all of this is anecdotal so take it with a grain of salt.

[–]P-Nuddy 11 points11 points [recovered]

Yea me and my little bro used to fight a lot when we were younger. We stopped fighting when we got to be teenagers but our bond/ trust is strong AF. I always try to teach him the valuable shit I learn and I know he appreciates it. There is no one in the world who I trust more than him.

[–]TorontoHooligan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You guys are super fucking lucky. My brother and I were really close as kids, fought a lot but as you guys pointed out, that happens. Now he's a complete fucking shit head and I don't have any positive memories past 14.

[–]moose_war 37 points38 points  (6 children)

I always refer back to that conversation I had with a female friend once. She was newly single and using Tinder and completely having a blast and I tried to explain how for men, it's way harder to get laid. She claimed it was just as easy for men as it is women, meaning the average man could get sex as easy as the average woman. She then told me that women approach the average men at bars "all the time". I realized then that women, even smart women in their late 20s, really have no clue what dating is like for 80% of men. They have no reason to know so they just assume it's like a slightly less glamorous version of what they go through for sex, dating and attention. The only women that know are ones Nora Vincent. You can tell by how she explains the experience that she truly understands and has empathy for men, instead of just saying "Heh heh it's easy for MOST men...maybe just not you!" Which is weird since I've talked to VERY attractive men who still have to deal with a mountain of bullshit and still have to initiate 95% of the encounters and are sick of women. These are guys that get laid very regularly with hot women and even they are burnt out by this shit.

[–]AllOrDeath 10 points11 points  (3 children)

If even the top men who are getting the most attractive woman at high frequencies are becoming burnt out, doesn't that say, whether you are alpha or beta or omega or whatever, the dating game is fundamentally against men? If so, do you think there is way to change this?

[–]moose_war 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I just think it's obviously more on the men to "prove" themselves, which is fine. But when you have men who are top tier and still have to play games and you have women with MASSIVELY inflated egos, it gets fucking tedious. I remember reading a story online about some woman who met Adrien Brody, the famous actor, in some night club once. Now who can say if it's a true story, but it sounds realistic. She flirted with him, he flirted back. He invited her back to his place or hotel or whatever, but she said "I'll think about it" to try and play hard to get.

Then, he just went and found some other chick and left with her instead. The teasing woman saw this and was devastated and kicking herself for playing hard to get.

It's like, lady, he wants to fuck you, you want to fuck him, and now you just fucked yourself. The thrill of the hunt is one thing, wasting some guy's time is another, especially when his status is way above yours. Women have huge egos, huge needs for attention and absolutely no regard for most men, even ones they find attractive. In the old days, a man proved himself, was attractive, and the woman responded. Either she wanted him as a husband or boyfriend or sex partner, or she didn't. Now, with shit like Tinder and the like, women can actually like you but then forget you literally even exist because some other guy hit on her and she got distracted. Women will post nudes and then say things like "I'm not the type of girl who just wants sex". Yeah sure. And if a woman just wants sex, it's cool to treat men like dildos. That's her preference. If a man just wants sex, he's just the typical man who only sees women as objects. If a man wants to marry a virgin, his preferences are gross and fedora. If a woman wants to marry or have sex with an experienced man, that's her prerogative.

Now men have to worry about retroactive rape allegations and put up with shitty, jaded attitudes even after they learned all this game and did all this work to become more attractive. It's like, where is the fucking prize in the cracker jacks? And we also have plenty of alpha, good guys who have their shit together that want marriage and a family and they just see the state of things. I know a guy in his 40s like that. Works hard, makes good money, in shape and married to a woman who lead him on that she wanted kids and now she doesn't. Now she doesn't want sex. Now he's stuck in this marriage and he hates it. This is his second marriage. He just wanted a family and every time he has tried, women just let him down. So he thinks, why did I spend 20 years pursuing a family when women just want to fuck and party into their 30s?

I guess the point is, at the end of the day, women can be mediocre and still end up with whatever it is they desire. Men work their asses off and they get mediocre women, false rape allegations, and demonizing bullshit from feminists who want to make things even easier for women.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

lol wow the Adrien Brody story.

[–]4175186461 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't think it can change in the near future. Women are attracted to confidence and walking up to a random woman in a bar is displaying some of that confidence.

If women were less attracted to confidence, or if all men just stopped pursuing women, it might change. Both of those things seem very unlikely to happen.

[–]1DRMMR76 1 point2 points  (1 child)

From her POV, she's absolutely right. It is just as easy for men to get sex as it is for women. That's because 80% of male human beings don't exist and certainly aren't "men" in the eyes of women. So when a woman says "Men have such and such advantage" they're absolutely right. But only because their definition of men is the top 20%. The bottom 80% don't exist.

[–]moose_war 0 points1 point  (0 children)

good point, and just as I figured...she gets these ideas from her actions and viewing the actions of the top males

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points  (14 children)

Interesting talk but I think men shouldn't speak about red pill with women. It will help them to be more toxic, more manipulative and in the end make the life of men around them worse.

She argued with you pretending that she didn't agree with what you said but inside her she register any informations that you give to her to better her strategy to exploit men around her. Don't speak about TRP with women it is as bad for them than it is for men.

[–]Code_Bordeauxx 86 points87 points  (12 children)

Don't speak about TRP with women anyone

Why so many casually abandon this fundamental concept for the sake of some trivial conversation topic is beyond me. People: stop trying to impress people with your newfound knowledge and shut your mouths. If the wrong people connect you to TRP the damage could be severe. Don't gamble with that. You have nothing to gain, much to lose.

EDIT: typo.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It wasnt a real conversation.

[–]1DRMMR76 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Speak for yourself. I talked to a friend who had just gotten married about TRP and after about 6 months of being treated like shit by his new wife, including being forced to sleep in his car after she threatened him, he ended up getting a divorce. And because it was early enough and they didn't have kids or joint property, he made it out pretty much unscathed. TRP saved his life, but I showed him the way. This whole "let other men suffer, keep the truth a secret" bullshit is fine for you, but don't act like everyone is obligated to do the same thing.

[–]Code_Bordeauxx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

With almost every absolute we deal in there are exceptions when it comes to rare cases.

You have a friend you trust to not judge you for participating in a sub such as this. You also trust him not to spread this knowledge about you to other people who might not be so free of mind. This is rare. I don't know your situation but in many cases it's also naive. People generally suck at keeping things secret and at that point it's out of your control where sensitive information ends up.

This friend of yours did not dismiss our ideas. This is also rare. It's often hard to tell to what extent people internally adhere to a beta mindset. Anyone who dismisses our ideas after you've showed them instantly becomes a liability.

Furthermore, he was in a position where disclosing this information could make a very important difference. In many cases it's not so apparent how big the effect on their lives will be.

It seems that you were in a rare situation where you could actually be fairly certain that disclosing this information had a clear purpose and was safe. Of course I would support informing the guy about this place in such a case, but it's just that these scenarios don't present themselves often. It's also not unthinkable you were just Lucky (so far), just saying.

So, summarising, don't tell people you know about this place unless you're absolutely sure they won't use this against you. If you can't be sure, remember that your own well being is paramount.

[–]MatrixDream 16 points16 points [recovered]

I'm so happy all you guys can ignore everything I said in this post and focus solely on the fact that this conversation was with a woman. Very productive conversation.

I post on things I think will add value and I get 60% responses on how I can't talk to women about anything rational. That wasn't the point of the post.

I'm not friends with girls who can't hold conversations, I don't need you guys looking after my reputation either. I'm just here to try to add value to the discussion.

I'm enjoying reading all the comments that are actually discussing the points I made.

[–]morphite65 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think the overreacting is somewhat overprotective. the whole idea of this community is men helping other men, and some may feel betrayed while others are concerned that new members not see your example as the norm.

[–]n_dois 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so happy all you guys can ignore everything I said in this post and focus solely on the fact that this conversation was with a woman. Very productive conversation.

Maybe because we men know what TRP is and what it talks about. Whats the point in digest the sidebar to women who clearly have no interest in men improvement? Not disrespecting you, but instead "doing us a favor" by explaining what we (and you) do here, I think you just did it to justify yourself to this girl.

[–]shhRP[🍰] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I really did like your points, and it was a great read. I found it well articulated and thought out.

Your feelz back on track yet, bruh?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Especially in a post-Elliot Rodger (and now Umpqua) world.

[–]RedDeadlift 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Don't speak about it. Internalize it and show it with the results from your actions.

[–]xerXXes_ 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I know a girl who was not taught how to be attractive, and she's pretty much a bitter feminist. She's Asian and her mom is extremely paranoid about her going off with a guy before she finishes college (and is very controlling in general) and her family is poor, so she doesn't have nice clothes, doesn't wear makeup, and has short hair. She's also not allowed to hang out with people (even other girls sometimes) without her mom present. Thus, she's not attractive, closed off thanks to her parents, and hard to get to know.

One year, she grew out her hair and she was asked out by 3 guys in that one year time span. She had to reject due to her parents (but I also guess they were not her type, because:) Her reaction? "It bothers me that they only asked me out after I became more conventionally attractive."

So essentially most girls who either aren't attractive or don't learn how to be, I suspect, will end up as bitter feminists. It's pretty rare, but BP ideology can hurt women too.

[–]fingerthemoon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Those who refuse to acknowledge the rules cannot play the game and will be left on the sidelines.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Men are not taught how to be attractive to women.

Good thought, but TRP represents something even deeper. TRP is deprogramming for men who've been brainwashed by the cult of modern feminism.

[–]CuriousFloyd 8 points8 points [recovered]

This reminds of a post I saw somewhere about a guy's sister finding out about the Red Pill and having some of the key theory explained to her. Her response?

Absolutely floored. "You aren't supposed to know this..."

Did you get this impression at all? Almost like you had found the guide book and she wishes she could take it away.

[–]notrustled 7 points8 points  (0 children)

While it's true what you said and it was insightful, here's the thing: explaining things like this to women is like...explaining quantum physics to a dog (Does any of you have a better analogy? Hit me with it).

There's a good reason why TRP vets advocate keeping your mouth shut about these things.

[–]NiceKicksGabe 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Not sure if anyone else addressed this, but women are just as attracted to a guy's physical appearance. The only reason why anyone would go for a less good-looking person are the other characteristics that they bring to the table. And frankly, a man's other characteristics are much more useful/valuable than a women's other characteristics.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women are attracted to a guys appearance, but it's not enough. If they smell beta, the guy just gained 50 pounds of ugly.

[–]Hang10Dude 31 points32 points  (1 child)

I really have a lot of problems with the red pill. Mostly the posts that sound as though they are written by angry 17 year old boys.

But you really get it man. Great post.

[–]MrRexels 9 points10 points  (2 children)

You know a conversation is pointless when your statements are paragraphs long and the other person it's just single lines.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (17 children)

TRP is hated by women because it reveals their game plan and therefore raises the bar for them. If a guy (SMV =6) raises it to a 8, his girl counterpart (SMV 6) will have to raise hers too to compete.

TRP should be required reading for all boys at age 13.

[–]What_The_Shoe 9 points10 points  (16 children)

TRP should be required reading for all boys at age 13.

Done. I just notched up to 14.

[–]morphite65 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Dude how did you find your way to TRP at 14?

[–]MrT-Rex 6 points7 points  (7 children)

I'm also 14 this site is filled with people that are underage

[–]morphite65 6 points7 points  (3 children)

"underage" according to whom? I personally don't see any problem with young men wanting to educate themselves, quite the opposite in fact. I was just curious as to how or why someone so young found their way into the Red Pill.

[–]SunshineBlotters 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Same. Tho I cant wait to see the things someone who learned TRP at 14 will post in 10 years.

[–]MrT-Rex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't imply it as something bad, I thought that you were oblivious to the fact that this site is full of underage people. And to answer your question, I found this subreddit because of 4chan.

[–]wordjedi 2 points2 points [recovered]

Good for you! My life would have been so different with just the weight training advice here alone at that age. Seriously, if I had a time machine and could go back and change just one thing, that would be it. (also buy Apple stock in the 1980s, but that counts as two)

Check out this guy for inspiration.

[–]MrT-Rex 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thanks for the advice, and the inspiration; Though I'm going to keep being skinny because I have pale skin and a small frame. (I'm asian)

[–]the_red_scimitar 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Excellent post, one of few that actually adds new value to this sub.

[–]AtlRP 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Great post and I second that it should be included in the sidebar.

Also, still blown away that she finally came around to your logic. The hamster must be asleep at the wheel.

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Sounds more like the hamster finally got tired of running, but what convinced OPs friend wasn't his argument or reasoning behind anything, she just knew him for a long time and trusted his judgement in the end. She wasn't convinced, she just agreed with him because it was how she feels.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

She ran out of arguments and he passed all her shit tests so she gives him trust.

She still hasn't logically accepted TRP.

[–]AtlRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good point. Hamster gonna Hamst.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That hamster would have had to hit warp to overcome this logic though.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Or an even simpler explanation she agreed with him just so he stops babbling.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She probably just got tired of hearing him talk about it and conceded. Look at her responses the whole way through, he's clearly trying way too hard to convince someone incapable of logic something which is time that could be better spent staring at the fucking wall.

[–]StuffaYouFace 22 points23 points  (32 children)

This is sidebar material and should be required reading for any woman (or any anti-TRP person) before they pass judgement on this place.

Thank you.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (25 children)

I think that women being aware of TRP will make them even more manipulative I'm not sure this is a good idea.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 136 points137 points  (23 children)

I concur. There's a tone in this thread that "if women could just understand, they'd work with us." No. Just no. Stop. That's wishful thinking. Women will never work with us, because what they want and what we want are similar but different. The way we think, the way we want to do things, the fact women want to constantly fight you for control whilst secretly subconsciously hoping they don't win means we're in a perpetual state of war. (war = maxim 6)

Even OP sounds a little purple pill. Don't get me wrong there's a lot of gold in OP that makes sense, but because he's trying to logic a girl there's a lot of "meet me halfway here" sentiment in his explanation and she doesn't budge a fucking inch. This is testament to the notion women see any attempt at male self-improvement that may possibly undermine their monopoly on social power as nothing but a threat to be thwarted. Women don't want a work in progress they want a winner, the work in progress is ugly, the rage, the insecurity - all of it - bitches aren't cut out for that. TRP is like a machine shop where cars are in pieces being assembled/repainted and whatever, and bitches just be like "I don't want to see that, they're ugly, show me a shiny lambo, that car probably doesn't even start!" Women want the product with the perfect presentation and to be completely ignorant of the underlying layers that go into creating it.

TRP is a fucking hospital for fucked up guys. And guys aren't even allowed to be fucked up, are they? Society fucks men up, they try to do something about it by utilising TRP, and apparently that's a bad thing too. Everything they do is wrong. Bitches come here, pass judgement and then act like they know shit. These women are fucking clueless and their snooping enlightens them not one iota. Where we see progress and catharsis, they are just revolted and trying to get in our heads. Not so they can help us, but in some petty female attempt to outsmart our knowledge of their biology/psych (again, IM MAXIM 6.) A futile endeavour, but there you go.

They don't even try to understand "the WHY" behind TRP. They are just filled with discomfort and suspicion at the thought of men coming together to discuss women and society in the very way that they do. Women do not like the idea of male autonomy, women always want to be in the picture, having a say and influencing men. Men specialise in influencing the world whilst women specialise in influencing men, that's always the way it's been, whether it's been through feminism or using her looks/submission to charm a man into commitment (that's RPW.)

TRP is one of very few places where women have NO POWER WHATSOEVER. And they fucking hate that. No power, lots of "work in progress men" that aren't currently at a "fuckable level," unspoken societal mechanics out in the open being plainly spoken, this shit offends and fucks with them. They can't understand. They can't care. They're not in that fucking world. They're not men so they don't understand the struggle, the grind, the sweat that takes to become a man worth a fuck.

Plus there's the little double standard that's it's fine for her to artificially enhance her SMV, but if you don't "grow up that way," and instead have to consciously try to fix yourself, you're clearly a damaged tryhard rather than a natural and you belong in the beta box society has already assigned you. Women like to stereotype men as bitch boys and fuck boys and they're very black and white about that. They don't want to see any crossover, the mere concept fucks with them epically.

Truth is, women would be happier if men got their balls back and started leading again but they've been brainwashed too and just aren't cognisant of it. It's a huge mind fuck that women are constantly try to feminise men and feed them disinformation that fucks up their chances, but will eagerly fuck any guy who ignores all of that and knows what it takes to be an effective, dominant and successful man. Which is all any man here really wants to be.

The worst thing you can do is show the enemy your play book and trust them to empathise or get on board.

Women are not your friends, but neither are they your competition. They are not your equals, they are your prey. You hunt, and if you know what you're doing, you snag one. You lead the relationship, if you fuck up, there is no relationship. There is no equality and no understanding, there is simply you being a leader picking/attracting/maintaining a relationship with a woman of your choosing. That's it.

People like to think they can use TRP to get a girl and then "just be themselves" but the reality is, the "gaming" (manipulating) never stops. And women will never stop manipulating you, testing you to make sure you're strong/better than them. That's just the way it is.

You all need to accept this instead of hoping otherwise.

If women gave a remote shit about men, life from a man's viewpoint or even helping men, feminism wouldn't be a thing. Open your eyes. We're on our own with this. Woman on TRP will never empathise with us, they are just here to enhance their own manipulation. Women have an edge and they don't want men to take that away from them.

Lucky for them, even a woman knowing about TRP doesn't stop TRP working on her. It's all human behaviour. Women like what they like, they are who they are and they're attracted to what they're attracted to. But we don't need them having any meaningful presence here.

Bitches don't belong in the locker room and they know it that's why they lurk. Women having any say or presence within TRP will be the death of it, just as it was with the seduction sub, askmen, and and all the other previous male spaces that women took over.

All relationships are war, yeah I know that sounds fucked up but just think about it. If it wasn't this thing you had to win and dominate, you wouldn't need TRP because bitches would work with you and not against you. Truth be told, the irony is, bitches only work with you when you're winning - which means dominating life AND them. But they will try to jostle you for power, and if you give in, you sign your own death sentence. Heed me.

[–]Appleseed12333 37 points38 points  (6 children)

This is sidebar material. Please re-post in its own thread. This comment is so well thought out and enlightening that more people need to see it. Thank you.

[–]elcarlosmiguel 8 points9 points  (4 children)

it should definitely be its own post

[–]1DRMMR76 2 points3 points  (1 child)

To be fair, damn near everything IM writes is worthy of its own post.

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Def. Or, it's own website. Oh, wait...

[–]NecroticFury 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i also think this warrants its own post.

[–]throwaway-aa2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I echo this. definitely prime candidate for sidebar material

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I got comfy to read this shit. Holy fuck this was possibly the best comment I've ever seen.

I give you non-faggot gold that doesn't go to the Reddit Cuckministors.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I give you non-faggot gold that doesn't go to the Reddit Cuckministors.

Yeah, fuck gold. There needs to be a "buy this guy whiskey" option. I'd be on board with that.

[–]1DRMMR76 9 points10 points  (1 child)

No shit IM, if you're ever in the Dallas Fort Worth area of Texas, whiskey is on me. Your posts in particular strike a chord within my mind like few others. Others might like GLO's style or other more, and that's fine. But your blend of "calm and methodical logic when it needs to be plus filthy mouthed straight talk when it needs to be" has been a real help in my transformation from a pathetic shy incel sometimes suicidal bastard to someone I can actually wake up and be happy that I am.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well I live in London, but if I'm ever around the Dallas Fort Worth area I'll let you know. I'm nothing but humbled to have had such a profound effect on somebody. It's an honour.

[–]cesarfd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's a huge mind fuck that women are constantly try to feminise men and feed them disinformation that fucks up their chances, but will eagerly fuck any guy who ignores all of that and knows what it takes to be an effective, dominant and successful man. Which is all any man here really wants to be.

There's a difference between relationships and the everyday life. The situation as it is now is perfect for women, because on their everyday life, what they need the most is preferential treatment. And for that you need uninformed and misguided betas. Tons of them.

They're not men so they don't understand the struggle, the grind, the sweat that takes to become a man worth a fuck.

I believe they do. Women know they are always well treated and respected since the first second they arrive everywhere. They don't need to prove themselves constantly, they just need to exist. If they fuck up, the consecuences are no way near the same.. If they do well, they get twice as much backslapping. They can treat people like shit, they can say stupid things, they can be forever as insecure as when they were 15, etc. That's preferential treatment, and they enjoy it every single day of their lives. Law of the minimum effort.

The more attractive a man is, the more sex he gets and the less preferential treatment he gives. That's fine for women as long as they are not too many of them.

The problem with TRP is that it could increase:

  1. The number of "artificial" alphas. Attractive men that also know deeply the true nature of women. Bad for them because they won't be able to manipulate those guys as they probably could with a natural alpha.

  2. The number of informed betas. And that's when the situation goes critical. Women need betas as much as air because they are the ones that give them preferential treatment and also the ones that will be used after the Wall to raise a family and possibly divorce-rape them if the woman feels to do so.

Try to imagine a western/1st world country full of normal/semi attractive men who know exactly what they don't have to do with women independently of how much sex they get. Oh boy.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're absolutely correct. Almost every response he gives is a few sentences to a full paragraph. She responds with an incomplete sentence and he keeps pounding sand writing a full paragraph. Why bother?

[–]fingerthemoon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dropping the Hammer Of Truth again I see...

This whole thread has got me thinking about how women are often seen as being more complex than men and some say more intelligent or at least more emotionally intelligent. But I don't think this is so.

The reason for this misconception is because what a man wants in a woman is simple but what a woman wants in a man is complex, not that they are intrinsically more complex and we are simple. In fact, men are more complex because we must endeavor to comprehend their psychology and realize the contradictions in what they say/think they want and what they actually want, they simply need to look good. We also must consider everything in the realms of human society if we hope to be in the top 20% breeding stock but they only need to decide what they want (which they have a hard time doing) and that doesn't even affect their breeding chances all that much just the quality of man seed they get. (Even with no desire to procreate these factors subconsciously affect our sexuality and attraction.)

Also, a man must be more emotionally intelligent than a woman and learn to be stoic and control his emotions if he wishes to be successful whereas a woman has no incentive to learn these skills and no requirement to do so. Men are actually the complex ones because we must not only understand our selves but we must understand women. They have no need to understand us.

This is why men should rule society. We have a biological need to understand women but they haven't the same need to understand us and it's nearly impossible for them to do so. That's why men are traditionally the ones who look out for the welfare of the tribe and women only look out for the welfare of themselves.

The reason for all of this sexual dimorphism is easily explained with this simple truth: 10 woman + 1000 men = possible extinction, 10 men + 1000 women = probable expansion. Women will always be more valuable than men to our species but a self-realized and actualized man will know realms of freedom and pleasure that a woman simply cannot obtain.

[–]Dustin_Bromain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is fucking amazing. Thank you so much.

[–]J_AsapGem 3 points4 points  (2 children)

well it's like what patrice once said, " you were made fucked up and miserable" peculiar creatures man..even now despite knowing i still struggle with grasping this the " fact women want to constantly fight you for control whilst secretly subconsciously hoping they don't win" just makes you wonder, is it even worth it?

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i still struggle with grasping this the " fact women want to constantly fight you for control whilst secretly subconsciously hoping they don't win" just makes you wonder, is it even worth it?

Now I guess that really depends on the man and woman involved. Generally speaking, if she isn't hot/submissive enough, she isn't worth it. Personality is rarely part of the equation, as most women aren't interesting enough to be "friend material" so we're looking purely at the sexual/mother qualities here. In most cases the answer is NO. Rarer instances, yes. What you do with that knowledge is up to you. For the family orientated man I know this knowledge presents more conundrum and burden than it does enlightenment. But better to go in with your eyes open than end up sleeping out of your car.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The tribe has spoken. Make this a post.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Awesome comment.

I get so tired of reading sewage here that it just drives me away, and then I'll stumble across a gold nugget like this. Thank you.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Much obliged. I've made it into a thread now, so if anyone else feels the way you do, they can get some of that cool oasis water.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The worst thing you can do is show the enemy your play book and trust them to empathise or get on board.

Exactly! I think we should keep TRP just for ourselves. This is our man space for men who want to improve their lifes and who doesn't care about political correctness.

[–]1rife_omeqa 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I don't see why we should seek judgement from haters and women.

Wolves don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep. Or this

[–]Valentine-Toronto 23 points23 points [recovered]

The first rule about Fight Club is don't talk about Fight Club.

So is the second rule.

Don't talk about TRP with women.

What a waste of time. I want my 15 minutes back.

Edit: The premise is interesting and an exposition on "Men aren't taught how to be attractive. Women are born into it." sounds like it would add value.

But Socratic dialogue with women on these topics just does not work. She did not engage with you, but just served you a fresh shit test after you failed each of her prior shit tests until she friendzoned you at the end.

Explaining is never the correct response to a woman's shit test.

[–]MatrixDream 18 points18 points [recovered]

Her feet have been cemented into my friend zone for years. I could care less where she puts me in her own head.

[–]GASTON_TONNERRECOQ 20 points20 points [recovered]

She found out you post here, you confirmed it through conversation, and now she'll gossip about you to someone you care more about, or who has something you want, who will think less of you. Reputation.

[–]AlCapown3d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How much less could you care?

[–]_Hand_Banana_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I completely understand where you're coming from and sort of the exact thoughts popped in my head. Why try an explain TRP to a woman, that's a waste of time because she will refuse to accept it for what it is. What I did here was pretend that he's talking to a heavy dosed Blue Pill man that refused to take the red one for what it is.

[–]TattiBoy 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I like your post op, but I also think it's fictional.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

How did she find out you posted here?

[–]MatrixDream 1 points1 points [recovered]

I was talking about something else I posted a while ago and she looked it up. Pretty sure she already knew the username.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well she's probably going to read this now.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women learning about guys researching this stuff is like them finding out what you look at on pornhub or something. All guys do it and have done it to some degree whether it be through TRP, PUA sites, or just learning game in real life. It's really a natural thing to learn how to attract the opposite sex, just like it is to be potty trained when you're a kid, ride a bike, or learn to swim.

But then there are always those kids who learn that stuff late, or people who never learn how to swim or have a phobia of swimming. TRP helps them learn at a later stage or get over that phobia.

[–]Corndog_Enthusiast 2 points3 points  (4 children)

First rule of fight club, man.

[–]MatrixDream 6 points6 points [recovered]

Cat was already out of the bag, just decided to play with it at that point.

[–]Corndog_Enthusiast 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha yeah, I suppose that's fair enough.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think men are not angry because thy hate women, but because they love them too much.

[–]fingerthemoon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"The opposite of love is not hate but indifference."

[–]marty2k 2 points3 points  (1 child)

"I don't dress up for men I dress up because I like to feel good about myself. I do it for me," She replied.

Oh man, this brings me back to the old days when I used to actually try and debate this stuff with women.

I said something referring to how women wear make up for others and to appear more attractive, especially men. Cue the "women do it for themselves/because they like it" response. I said I've never heard of a woman who knew she was going to be home all day and doing nothing doll up. And of course, the response was a brilliant "Well, you can't be in every woman's room all the time, you can't know that!". Of course now I know how futile it is to talk about anything like this with women on a logical level.

Anyways, brilliant post. It's obvious this conversation is fake, or at least very heavily edited, but doesn't really take away from the value. Very good stuff.

[–]fingerthemoon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women are actually dressing largely for social status with other women that's where the "I do it for myself" comes in. Since they think they're doing it for status and not to attract men it's for themselves, but I suspect part of it is to attract men even if they refuse to admit.

[–]1CashFrags 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a great post, your responses were written quite elegantly with whole-hearted intellectual points.

Solid work my friend.

[–]ARUKET 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I like the part where you described a woman's ideal man. Too often on TRP we are told you're either a Machiavellian asshole or beta cucks. I try my hardest to be in between those sort of like how you described. All the good traits assholes have, without actually being fucking rude or mean to people.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yeah find a good sweet spot, be a Machiavellian Cuck

[–]SkyCakeDodge 5 points5 points [recovered]

Listen, I know this is going against the grain here, but I'm not seeing anyone else mention the elephant in the room. And I'll accept that maybe this is off-topic or against the etiquette of this community possibly, but I'll proceed:

You spoke to this woman in complete, perfect paragraphs. You got your point across perfectly with each point, and at ideal intervals she basically just had one sentence springboards to get you to your next topic. She expertly straight-manned you into saying each point about why this subreddit is so great. Not only that, but right at the end, she came around, and there's a nice little resolution.

I realize that you're coming from the right place, but this very much never happened. This woman would die from having so much straw in her veins. It's literally too perfect and tailored to the subreddit you're posting it to. That said, it's a great post. I just have to call shenanigans on you using quotation marks when you could have just written the essay you wanted to write without claiming a pitch-perfect convo for this demographic fell into your lap.

[–]MatrixDream 2 points2 points [recovered]

This was by far not the exact dialogue. The interaction was more organic, I cleaned it to make the post more geared toward discussion. Her side wasn't as one worded, my side was so articulate, and it continued after the 'nice resolution.' Don't have pics for proof so not sure what else I can say. I just omitted irrelevant parts of the convo for the post.

[–]redzorp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone expects OP to be a perfect screenwriter. Chill out dudes.

Writing human dialog (even from memory) is hard and invariably looks fake when written down, unless you are an experienced screenwriter, journalist or novelist (and even those pros sometimes get it wrong).

[–]TomHicks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A girl I knew recently discovered I contributed here

How? Did you let slip something?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I first came to TRP I was so confused by how the word asshole and Man had become synonymous on this sub. I thought I had to be an absolute Dick to attract women and ended up being incredibly rude (believe it or not, this actually still works way better than being a beta), but finding that delicate balance and actually having the qualities of a man requires a lot of control over ones emotions.

[–]sexomagico 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is honestly one of my favorite posts on here in a long time. Your use of conversation to present your points is very effective and your argument is well structured. The consensus on TRP is right about not telling anyone about these things though. TRP is too much of a mixture between rational thought and punching bags for that.

Still, I think there is need for a story about what men are missing today that should be spread outside of this community. Maybe we are not the ones to do that, but I hope that someday even the general public understands that feminism needs a counterpoint.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a fucking great post.

Thank you sir, I appreciate you.

[–]nrjk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's fun about being a 30+ year old male is that I can have this exact conversation with 30+ year old female and they won't fight me on it-they might add some caveats and reasonably tweak certain things, but they generally know it's true. Rather, they hold back smiles as I casually state certain truths about dating/mating strategies. It only gets worse (or better, maybe?) as they get older. My mom had me at 40, so looking back on things, she was RP as fuck. She exposed me to truths about women, their behavior, manipulative tactics, etc.-I was blessed with her "internalized misogyny", so to speak.

[–]bigcitytruth[🍰] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

How did she learn that you were on this forum? Did you tell her? Why?

Second, why are you wasting breath reasoning with her? Women have a natural resistance against accepting logic, especially about their own behavior.

Third, are you fucking this woman? If not, why are you wasting hours being around her? She's dragging you down. While I agree with a lot of what you said, it's like discussing philosophy with a dog. The dog will look at you and wag its tail, seemingly listening to you, but it won't understand a damn thing.

[–]MatrixDream 1 points1 points [recovered]

We are friends. That's why.

[–]bigcitytruth[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just to make it clear, you voluntarily told a female friend that you post to The Red Pill subreddit, and then discussed the difficulties men face in dating and relationships.

Now let me point you to a recent new thread posted by Red Pill vanguard IllimitableMan, note the headline of the post: https://archive.is/p32mg

[–]LionLaw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some of the points you mention are excellent, but I think it's the comments on them that are to keep in mind

[–]newmeforever 4 points5 points  (6 children)

i talk about TRP all the time with one of my closest female friends. We fuck too...

She totally understands where I'm coming from and also understands TRP and believes more men need to learn about it too.

So all your guys' advice not to talk about it with females is stupid. Just dont talk about it to the closed minded ones.

just my $0.02

[–]notrustled 10 points11 points  (2 children)

She totally understands where I'm coming from and also understands TRP and believes more men need to learn about it too.

I don't know, man. I think it's either that you caught yourself a RP woman or it's that she only SAYS those things because you give her the tingles and thus she's trying to appeal to your beliefs (just acting, and some of them are really good at it). When something is too good to be true - it's usually not true.

Anyways, I'm still gonna keep my mouth shut.

[–]newmeforever 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This girl in particular knows her and I will never be anything more than friends who fuck from time to time. She lives fairly far away, and we don't see each other very often, but when we do its a sexcapade.

Maybe that factor has a lot to do with it. Not sure. But continue doing whatever you feel comfortable doing.

:)

[–]MrRexels 7 points8 points  (0 children)

We fuck too

That's the catch though, when a woman is attracted to you enough to fuck without commitment, you can get away with saying anything and they'll eat it up.

[–]NiceKicksGabe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

i'm with you, man. i used to spew TRP all over this chick i met on tinder. used to spew my jizz on her afterwards as well.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

don't argue with stupid poeple

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly speaking, this is by far one of the best articles I've read on TRP this year.

[–]Glennus626 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, this novel could be summed up with AWALT. Why on earth would you engage in a conversation of logic with a woman? Even if she sees the light, it changes nothing, and she won't stop adhering to AWALT tendencies.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How do women learn about it from day one?

[–]H42 1 points1 points [recovered]

If a girl, the day-old baby is swaddled in pink, and the word "beautiful" is constantly cooed at her.

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool OP bro, it's good to see someone here bother to explain TRP so well, to a female!

What happened after she said;

"Well I know you don't actually hate women, and you've always gotten along with me, so I trust you."

It didn't end there .. did it?

[–]waze92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good write up.

However, have to echo some of the sentiment here - no need to mention TRP - remember, its 'feels over reals' in the female world: you explained our side logically, but I guarantee she didn't 'feeeeel' right about it

[–]Prattler26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I don't dress up for men I dress up because I like to feel good about myself. I do it for me," She replied.

I think this is a great moment to smile, laugh and discontinue the conversation. It's her shit test and her attempt to grab frame. You fail if you continue in her frame trying to defend yourself. Your time is valuable - why waste it?

[–]All__fun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro, you wrote this excellent.

I don't know if this was a real conversation, but you were able to articulate your argument so pristine.

My only complaint is this: Fuck having this Argument/Conversation.

It's a waste of time.

[–]youngspeech 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't agree to your conclusion that women shound not know that we are studying their psychology. The books of Rollo and no more mister nice guy are laying on my table. A plate was at my flat and she saw it and asked about. I said "I found a cure for niceness" and that was it. Later that night we were making out. ;)

Conclusion is: Tell em with confidence what these books are about und explain it to them like they are childreen asking a question.

[–]mymonster8u 1 points1 points [recovered]

I have twins. Boy and a girl. I think i spend a lot of time teaching my son how to look all freshed out. I dont have much money but I get him the expensive haircut. He mostly wears button up shirts to school so he looks sharp. His nails are always clipped his teeth brushed and has clean expensive shoes and a good back pack. He has an expensive watch and is taught how to speak with respect and encouraged to flirt a little with the girls. (Hes 9) My daughter is the same. We are all in our pjs at home but always dress clean when we go out. You think men dont have mothers or social pressure as children to learn good social skills or dress appropriately? Just because your young friend didnt know how to defend ger argument does not make you correct. Im not saying there is not people with bad hygene but most people are taught how to dress and care that the opposite gender finds them attractive.

[–]MatrixDream 1 points1 points [recovered]

My mother taught me how to dress decently. Want to know what guys who dressed nicely in high school were called? Metro or homosexual.

And you missed my main point. You're teaching your son that dressing nicely will attract ladies? You are misguiding him. His girl is going to go fuck the star of the football team in sweatpants and a ripped shirt. You're not teaching him behavior which is what women get wet for. Then again, maybe you do, but in that case, you should be proud of the fact that you are such an outlier from the norm.

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