MetaWomen Have Dating/Sex Problems Too. They're Just Not YOUR Problems. (self.TheRedPill)

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Maybe it's not popular to say it, but I will say it.

Women have problems with dating and sex. And they are tough problems.

But they're not your problems.

Let me explain.

Take your average woman. She's a 6 in attractiveness -- attractive enough to get a male 7 as a boyfriend. She's also attractive enough to get male 9s and the occasional 10 for sex, but getting commitment from one of them is never going to happen. Come on guys, you know these women. You know 25 of them in real life and you go to school or work with at least 10 of them.

She's got a tough row to hoe, a needle that is very, very difficult to thread. She has to find a man she's attracted to and who is dominant and confident, able and willing to support her and sire/father her children. She has to find a man whose clothes she wants to rip off and whose cock she wants to suck twice a day; but who she's also willing to pad around an apartment with in her fuzzy slippers and sweats. She has to find a man she really, really wants sex with; but the catch is that the man also has to be one who really, really wants to keep her long term.

Her prime problem is that almost all the time, she can find men who fit one bill or the other, but not both. Most of the men she can find are either (1) hot but don't want to stick around after they fuck her a few times; or (2) want to be her boyfriend and will offer a relationship; but she doesn't want to fuck them at all because it would be like fucking her brother or her bestie.

She's in a tough spot.

But... and pay attention here. All that is not your problem.

Society and the culture tells you it is your problem. You have to offer yourself up to be her Boyfriend, because that's how you're going to get sex. Society tells you this is your problem because our hypothetical girl is Not Happy, and it is men's job to Make Her Happy. What's more, you're told that if you Make Her Happy then She Will Make You Happy ("happy" being you will get your dick wet).

Well, no. No, being a Boyfriend will not Make Her Happy. You undertaking herculean effort to satisfy her will just make her less happy. You beta boyfriends don't enrapture her with joy; you just piss her off.

Stop trying to solve your dating/sexual problems by taking on and trying to solve HER problems. Her problems are not your problem to solve.

Men, YOUR dating/sexual problems will be well on the way to being solved when you focus on yourselves, your wants, needs, hopes, dreams and desires. Your dating/sexual problem is that you are not awesome and your lives aren't what you want them to be. You're overweight, you don't eat well, and you don't take care of yourself. You don't exercise, you don't take care of your body and you don't dress well. You don't look and feel your best. You don't like your job or you're not all that good at your job. You don't have anything in your life you really enjoy being or doing, just for you.

You don't need to be nicer; you need to hit the gym. You don't need a girlfriend; you need more men around you to sharpen and hone you. You don't need to spend time figuring out how to be what she wants; you need to spend more time deciding who you are. You don't need to spend money on her; you need to get some better clothes and a haircut.

Her problems are not YOUR problems. Let her figure out that Chad's not coming back. Let her figure out how to get commitment from a suitable man. YOU need to figure out how to be the most awesome man you can be. When you are, then you'll be the one who decides on commitment or not; you'll decide how and when and where your resources are best allotted.

EDIT Good discussion on what many women's dating and romantic life problems are. I think it's great we as men can identify them. We can even talk about who's got it worse, if you want to, I guess. I can empathize with women on that. I can put myself in their shoes and say "yeah, they've got it pretty bad in that respect. I can see how that would cause a woman a lot of strife and frustration."

But the thing is, it's not my problem to solve. And it isn't yours either. Identify it. Mull it over, empathize if you want. But don't try to fix it, solve it, resolve it, change it, alleviate it, or wish it weren't so. Just don't. Because you can't alleviate it one bit. You cannot change it. Wishing it away is totally ineffective. The ONLY thing you can do is to get better yourself.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (3 children)

This is also where the "wall" comes into play when the female falls off the CC.

The female 6 or 7 can get sex from the male 9 or 10 during her 20s. She won't get real commitment (temporary boyfriend or just FWBs with the male 9 or 10) but she will still be getting sex thinking it will "lead to more".

When she hits her late 20s to 30s, she can't even ride the CC anymore and needs to "settle" with some beta dude she isn't attracted to.

Beta dudes need to understand this concept and RUN from these women. Marrying one of these post CC harpies is going to be a disaster.

Doesn't matter how "educated" the female is either.

Just check out what happened to this beta dermatologist who married another derm who was "divorced".


[–]Purecorrupt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Between ages 25-30 - buys a dog? Secretly wants to be a real mom not a dog mom.

[–]abdada 234 points235 points  (246 children)

IMHO women have it much worse than men do in terms of dating.

Women have abundance but no rationality. Women hunger for rationality.

Men have rationality but little abundance. Men hunger for abundance.

I don't pity or sympathize with women regarding their dating hell, but I understand it.

[–][deleted] 189 points190 points  (64 children)


What is this?

[–][deleted] 116 points117 points  (30 children)

Good point with regard to average girls.

u/Archwinger said it really well somewhere. Something like this. It used to be a woman would find some guy she really liked, and then do this "dating dance", giving up ever increasing amounts of sex in exchange for ever increasing amounts of commitment from him.

Now, her holding out sexually is a dealbreaker for more attractive men. Most attractive men will never, ever do that "dance" with her. And she's not willing to "dance" with less attractive men.

So what does she do? She puts out for the hot guy and hopes to hell he picks her. She fucks the guy in the longshot hope that maybe hopefully he will want a relationship with her. But of course most of the time he doesn't.

So if you're a lower value to mid value man, your challenge is to get awesome so you can be a "decisionmaker" with regard to sex and commitment; so you can get women interested in you without having to try to solve her problem.

[–]I_Wear_Jorts5 63 points64 points  (20 children)

This X1000

As someone who is just now breaking into the Top 20% of the 80/20 spectrum, I've seen this behavior from both sides of the equation. I KNOW what it feels like to be the "decisionmaker" and I also KNOW when a woman doesn't view me as attractive enough to get "decisionmaker" privileges. I'm at the point of my life where I'm not going to ever "work" for sex again. If it's really difficult from the beginning, the relationship is doomed anyway

So what does she do? She puts out for the hot guy and hopes to hell he picks her. She fucks the guy in the longshot hope that maybe hopefully he will want a relationship with her. But of course most of the time he doesn't.

This is the harsh reality of the wall. Women will ride the CC, hoping that they'll eventually get "picked." Eventually they can no longer fuck the top tier of guys and suddenly, there are no "real" men anymore. I really do feel bad for women though because they've been duped by the system just like most BP men have. We all have Feminism to thank for that!

[–]ItIsMyPrivilege 16 points17 points  (19 children)

I feel like that is the only way to do it, once you get experience. If you want a successful LTR you can't have problems at all early on.

As I and I know others say, every girl could be a slut for the right guy. I won't rule out a girl for a relationship based on the fact we had a ONS together that turned to banging. For all I know, I was the only guy she tried that form of "relationship" with because I was worth it in her eyes.

Now when you gather more data and find she's using ONS as a shotgun strategy and fucks tons of dudes like that, yeah nawh she's not worth commitment.

[–]I_Wear_Jorts5 40 points41 points  (17 children)

As I and I know others say, every girl could be a slut for the right guy. I won't rule out a girl for a relationship based on the fact we had a ONS together that turned to banging. For all I know, I was the only guy she tried that form of "relationship" with because I was worth it in her eyes.

Most people will disagree with me, but I won't even consider a "relationship" with a girl unless we have sex within 2 dates. I've always said, you cannot negotiate passion. It's either there or it isn't. I'm not going to waste my time courting some chick like it's a Disney movie for the privilege of having starfish sex once a week for the rest of my life. I'm not interesting in chasing girls who use sex as a bargaining chip. There are obviously exceptions, like if the logistics don't work out for whatever reason, but if we're making out on my couch after date #2 and she gives me a firm "no" to sex, there's just no point in even trying anymore. I've already lost

[–]ItIsMyPrivilege 19 points20 points  (12 children)

I think that's a good rule. The only time it isn't is for guys learning, hell even myself. Raising that N count and getting experience in bed is good. Once a guy feels he's getting to a good stage, up the standards as you have.

I have a similar rule/mindset due to the experience that sent me reading TRP where I thought this girl was wholesome and waiting for sex was great because it meant she was quality.

Now I won't fuck around with teases, girls not into me, etc. If she isn't thirsty for me, if she doesn't want to suck my dick to make me happy the first time we fuck, if she basically isn't on board with me, it's not happening because I won't put in the effort to keep it rolling.

Now virgins are another story, but I haven't ran into any attractive ones since high school

[–]NeverFigureMe0ut 7 points8 points  (9 children)

Speaking of virgins, I would love to find some advice geared towards dealing with them, as I'm currently in that boat. At this point (she's 25 y/o) I know it's a psychological thing. She's the only one of her friends still a virgin, and just happens to be the best looking one, go figure.

[–]nishal1 2 points3 points  (6 children)

If you're still a virgin at 25, I think you should consider an escort just so you realize that sex isn't this holy grail beta bucks make it out to be.

[–]NeverFigureMe0ut 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Oh, no. I can see how you misunderstood that, but SHE'S the virgin.

[–]I_Wear_Jorts5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only time it isn't is for guys learning, hell even myself. Raising that N count and getting experience in bed is good. Once a guy feels he's getting to a good stage, up the standards as you have.

Yeah once you know your game really works, you need to up the standards a bit. The only way you'll find that out is through experience. I'm far from the "most" experienced guy on TRP, but I know enough to know when the connection isn't there.

[–]RedLeaderFlyingBy 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Whoa... you and I have the exact same rule.

I came up with that in college. My thought process was: "No sex by second time hanging out? I guess she doesn't like me that way. Next!"

I just realized that my absolute best and longest relationships were when we've always had sex on exactly the second date. Not the first, not the third, and I've never stuck around for a girl beyond 3. It's always the second.


[–]I_Wear_Jorts5 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It's a great rule. Girls who "make you wait" and dangle sex over your head aren't worth your time. She'll fuck Chad within 20 minutes of meeting him, yet you're somehow expected to wait? NEXT. No point in even trying.

Using sex as a bargaining chip might be the ultimate red flag for me. If a girl really likes you, she'll make it happen by date #2. Otherwise, you're getting the BB treatment and that's no way to start a relationship.

Glad we both stumbled upon the same "rule." It's always nice to get a little bit of confirmation on these types of things

[–]mrpCamper 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Now, her holding out sexually is a dealbreaker for more attractive men. Most attractive men will never, ever do that "dance" with her. And she's not willing to "dance" with less attractive men.

So, I've definitely nexted women who held out the sex for too long for that reason alone. I have to believe that

Most attractive men will never, ever do that "dance" with her.

Is the reason why

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A high value semi-intelligent guy simply knows that someone else got full clearance for the runway without playing the dating game. At that point, why in the world would he disrespect himself by being the one to do the dance with her?

I think a high SMV guy will happily do the dance with a girl that he feels hasn't sold out all her value on the CC already. The high SMV guy surely has plenty of other options for the quick lay.

The problem is those girls don't exist today because sending them off to become whores at college at 18-19 years old is our societal norm these days.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Yup and then a few things can happen:

  1. She ends up adopting and enjoying the male abundance paradigm and goes on to have tons of casual sex with little regard for what it does to her future value.

  2. She gets pumped and dumped several times until she becomes jaded and "totally over those fuck boys" but deep down still cannot control the tingles.

  3. In the rare case she gets to have her cake an eat it to if she's high enough value to get him to settle.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

haha ya. women get wet for guys who are better than them. women post feminism are "equal" to men. therefore, lots of women having a hard time getting wet.

[–]ItIsMyPrivilege 29 points30 points  (12 children)

I know incel type girls. It's kind of sad because even in their prime they don't have beauty, not even from lack of proper health or whatever, just bad genetics looks-wise is worse for women than men.

Men can compensate because our attitude and how we hold ourselves can influence attraction much more than a woman can.

While I don't think I'm yet in the top tier of men, there are plenty women that are basically invisible to me and will be no matter what they do because they just didn't get the kind of genetic roll of the die that I want to match with.

Fucking glad I'm a man not a woman

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (10 children)

Good point. The other issue is that 93% of men are ranked less than 5 by women, while it's about 47% for women. I consider myself in the top 10%, but that puts me between a 5 and an 8 depending on my day, and at the same time I'm only even considering a top 20% girl (7 or better). That spells asbestos for women's statistical chances.

[–]Redasshole 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Women are hurting too, and hurting badly. They'll straight up admit it.

Don't mistaken "admit" for "complain".

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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[–]ghyl 19 points20 points  (5 children)

This is exactly what is happening to a close female friend of my wife. She's a solid 7 on a good day but won't settle for anything approaching her level. She's now mid thirties and slamming into the wall hard and it's sad to watch.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

After all the rage I felt during the anger phase towards women - I completely understand what you're saying - and can now even empathize. I can see that look of frustration the eyes of average women - they have loads of shitty options - but anything of value is out of their reach. In this way I can see why a certain number of women will go for the feminist narrative because their reality is so harsh. Makes even more sense as to why so many feminists are fucking ugly - its the only way they can derive some value for their life.

[–]drallcom3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Men have it really easy actually. A 4 man can have sex with a 4 woman and be totally satisfied. She might even have a nice personality for between sex.

A woman who could get a +3 man a few times can't be that happy with a +0 man and she hates it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well, the 1-5 are too.

Can't feel too bad, every 5 wants a 7, every 7 wants a 10. Realistic expectations, or working to improve could be easy solutions, but like abdada said, this is why they pine for rationality.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (11 children)

Women have it worse in terms of dating/making authentic and lasting connections with men.

Men have it worse with sex.

I don't pity or sympathize with women regarding their dating hell, but I understand it.

Ah. You have empathy, but not sympathy.

I think this is my position as well. I don't feel badly for women or pity them. I do understand the problem.

The challenge for men is to make sure that, while they empathize and they "get it", they must not do anything to try to solve that problem for a woman.

Men have their own problems to solve.

[–]abdada 38 points39 points  (10 children)

My empathic nature is foundational but disintegrates the moment I see someone recognize a problem and then start compounding it.

Doesn't matter the gender, either. I am super supportive of everyone from the first second, but when I see they prefer to continue self harm, I lose empathy.

Also, a man has the easiest solution to his problem: pivot or climb. A woman can't pivot from her problems, she can only slow down the slide towards the bottom.

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[–]abdada 29 points30 points  (0 children)

A pivot is when you just change direction. Lifting weights versus playing video games is a pivot.

Climbing means putting much more effort into something. Daygame versus online dating is a climb.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Monk mode is a climb.

Changing eating habits is a climb.

One of the key things most are told to do in TRP is to STOP doing their beta behaviors. STOP pedestalizing women. Stop supplicating to them. Stop leaning in to hear their conversations. Stop giving them too much attention when you're not getting anything back. Just cease the negative behaviors. Don't replace them with anything yet; just stop doing the bad stuff.

All that is pivoting. It's just changing direction. It's simply stopping doing a negative behavior; instead of pushing them into a positive behavior. Before a man can start doing positive things, he must first stop doing negative things. That's pivoting.

[–]bonerfleximus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If all you do is browse reddit and jerk off, monk mode is often an excuse to avoid a true climb. Let's be clear.

[–]MrChillBroBaggins 5 points6 points  (4 children)

'Pivot or climb' is something I'm gonna start telling myself.

[–]abdada 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Most guys refuse to even pivot, which requires no real change in output of time, just a change in direction.

[–]MrChillBroBaggins 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I agree, not to mention an easier climb, assuming they choose the right direction.

[–]dherik 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My philosophy lately has been, any action is better than no action. Even if I chose the wrong direction I can always pick another one.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Truly we all slide towards the bottom. It's only that mans slide is more gradual than a woman's.

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (86 children)

I strongly disagree* that women have it worse. Betas (the average joe) aren't getting sex or relationships. (I would argue that a sexless relationship would be better than no sex, no relationship). They aren't meeting their primary or secondary goal. Women are at least getting sex.

A safe, peaceful society will always favor women and alphas.

A dangerous, unstable society favors betas.

[–]abdada 33 points34 points  (25 children)

Women are the gatekeepers to sex so them getting sex isn't a concern in such a debate.

Men are the gatekeepers to commitment so a man getting commitment isn't a goal.

Women want commitment and that is far far more difficult to extract from a man with value.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 32 points33 points  (23 children)

I've said it before, but I'll say it here:

Sex is a lot of fun

Commitment isn't

I know which one I'd choose

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Commitment from a high value man is absolutely amazing for a woman. You're looking at this from the male perspective. Everything is flipped when you look at it from her perspective.

[–]abdada 51 points52 points  (17 children)

That's male-centric. Females don't see things out way.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 20 points21 points  (14 children)

There are plenty of women who think sex is fun. They probably still long for a committed relationship with Chad, but Tinder exists and you know they're getting some for pleasure's sake.

[–]abdada 10 points11 points  (11 children)

I wouldn't call them women. Hormonally damaged girls, maybe. Women appreciate sex as a method of managing high value commitment but her goal is the commitment, not the sex.

[–]TheReformist94 6 points7 points  (8 children)

If commitment was their end goal explain why so many women ride the CC and its so hard to maintain an LTR in todays climate with women being tempted by the CC like a child in a candy store. Plenty of women have a notch count above 20 and clearly enjoy nsa sex running through all the quarterbacks.they do it because they enjoy it,noone is forcing them to ride the CC.you telling me all these girls are hormonally damaged?

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree! you might have just stumbled across a break through point; on TRP we assume women ride the CC because they want to fuck loads of guys - they don't. they ride the CC because they think the more guys they get through the higher the chance they'll find Mr. Right - when the reality is, the inverse is true.

[–]abdada 1 point2 points  (4 children)

If sex is the end goal why do so many males end up becoming BB with no sex?

[–]TheReformist94 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Because the CC exists,and women are propelled to fuck many alphas in succession.why settle for one alpha when you can fuck many with safe contraception and no consequence? Loads of women love being single,and view even an ltr with an AF a limitation.theyre just not propelled to fuck betas,doesn't mean they don't fuck for the sake of fucking.loads of women enjoysamlping as many quarterbacks as possible.some women have rotating harems of alphas on tinder,fucking 3 alphas at a time and trading them out when they're bored. They can satisfy the commitment side of the equation from the BB,hence the BB who gets cheated on,and the vast majority of BBs who get cheated on in relationships.it all adds up.at least women are getting sex. 80% of men have a tough time getting a girl worth LTRing AND KEEPING.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's not realy true. Women do not care about commitment because the highest value male whose genes they can get (sex) will almost inherently not be interested in commitment. That's the whole reason the CC exists.

[–]throwaway-aa2 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Alright I know this is like arguing with someone a million times smarter than you (because I always agree with you), but I want to disagree just because my current knowledge dictates it so, but obviously you can school me.

Females want commitment, males want sex. But when you say "Women have it harder than men", it's sort of ignoring the big picture. It's like one country saying "we have more poor people than you do" but their barometer for what they define as poor is higher than the country they're trying to compare it to.

I'd argue that because of how a woman's SMV is inflated, and the idea that a woman is looking for a man 2 SMV points above her, is what makes a woman's dating life difficult. It can't really be compared to a males.

Let's ignore the top tier females. Most average females you see roaming the streets are absolute fucking losers, pigs in lipstick if you will. That's why they spend so much time on their looks.... they all have very little to them. These girls work, gossip, watch Netflix, and then shop, and then do outings (club / parties) where men will be. Rinse and repeat.

Even these girls who have nothing to them, look for guys far beyond what they should be getting.

What I mean to say is this: if a girl who is a 5 is only looking for men who are 9's to commit and dissing the fuck out of every other guy... you can't really say she has it difficult. She has made it difficult for herself. Men have much lower standards than females. Much lower. Not so much biologically but society wise.

Before TRP (and for most men nowadays) you can only dream for a woman to have a decent body, hair that isn't chopped off, who is feminine, puts out, and shuts the fuck up, and is a HB6 or HB7. Literally the dream. Women sit there shooting for guys who are 8-10 with nothing to offer themselves other than their fading makeup & yoga pants inflated looks.

Women have it harder but makeup / Instagram / etc have warped women's minds as far as what they deserve. If I'm in school and I choose to do my tests with a .5inch pencil, is the test difficult or am I making it difficult? If I'm doing a harder test to place better, is it ok to compare someone taking a regular test, or is it necessary to discern that I'm taking on something more challenging than I have to, to get better benefits?

The reality is that women expect much more in today's society when they really shouldn't. Arguably some of this possibly is biology but it's women who perpetuate feminism and are responsible for the balance of quality men to women with good genetics being so low. Let's call it like it is. They have trouble finding good men, while their idealism perpetuates betas, and now all of a sudden they "have it difficult".

I've had my ex-girlfriend tell me how difficult it was for her to find people on dating sites. Not knowing I've sent out like 1,000 messages to women, and got like 3 to reply (not good pictures but STILL), while she's a hard 6 / 7 and PICKS out of like 40 messages a day! And has never sent 1 message. OK And she has the nerve to complain about how hard she has it. And it's like... of course it's hard because she's looking for a guy like me, 2 solid SMV points above her, while she's hitting the wall with a lot of problems with her mentally and physically I won't even get into here. And she actually tried to argue she had it worse. And I had to spend 15 minutes explaining this dumb shit to her.

Edit: I'd also argue if you took makeup and hair products away from society, this shit would go away.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (8 children)

What are you talking about? A society in which monogamy is the norm is one that favors betas. Societies that are polygamous historically have higher rates of violence.

So-called betas are the ones who devote their lives to science, to building great stuff, and providing for their families.

[–]thisissamsaxton 21 points22 points  (3 children)

This is the part where TheRedPill really shits the bed. When it goes beyond recognizing the sexual advantage of aggressive/powerful (edit: powerful seeming at least) "Alphas" given by evolution, and actually starts endorsing it as an ideal for society to reward (rather than a flaw to exploit and/or fix).

The ideal for society is to have any incentive (money, sex, etc) go to the people contributing to the collective and none go to the people who don't (if any. ideally, everyone contributes). Obviously that's not mostly what happens, but that is the logical end goal.

But, I personally reckon that as privacy disappears and everyone starts to see what everyone else is doing; everyone will see exactly how much the rich have and exactly what they did to "earn" it, and may be pissed off at many of them like never before. The same might also happen with sexually popular men. But we'll see what happens.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

A safe, peaceful society will always favor women and alphas.

A dangerous, unstable society favors betas.

You gon' elaborate right? Because in the first model you piss of 80% of the male society, while in the second one you piss off only 20% and the numbers just don't add up for me.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (28 children)

A dangerous, unstable society favors betas.

Interesting. Can you expand on that?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Betas have nothing to offer women in a stable society. If a woman does not have to aquire support to bear a child (like in modern society), she has no reason to obstain from the CC (and most women can bag an alpha for sex). Betas' value is in provisioning.

[–]RedPillProphet 9 points10 points  (3 children)

In an unstable and dangerous society, betas offer safety and provisioning. Those two things hold no value to a hot 20yo in a stable society.

[–]1seenoeval 2 points3 points  (20 children)

I guess there are a couple of ways to interpret that, one would be that suppressing what real men are and trying to make them something they aren't destroys society.

The other, is betas are the ones who cause all the violent horror in the world, mass shootings, suicide bombs, etc.

Alphas aren't dangerous, not to society or in the long term anyway because they will use their intellect to solve problems even in war. Even Alpha USA and Alpha Russia can say, I don't like you, you don't like me, there's no sense in us fucking each other up where no one will win, so let's agree to disagree and get along reasonably. I may push you from time to time and you me, but no reason why we can't both enjoy being a superpower when the alternative is both of us sending each other back to the stone age.

Beta USA and RUSSIA would be a pile of nuclear dust decades ago by using female emotional thinking and logic, allowing a moment of rage to destroy your entire future.

[–]philovivero 9 points10 points  (8 children)

You have that exactly wrong.

Alphas are more dangerous to society by orders of magnitude than betas are. Even by your own evidence. Betas do the school shootings and the suicide bombings. Total body count what... a few million in all of history?

Care to compare that against Genghis Khan, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Ronald Reagan, George Bushes Sr,Jr, I'll just stop there. Total body count what, a few billion?

Alphas don't just kill a couple people here and there. They get a few million people to agree to kill a few million others on their behalf.

I suppose you could say the betas are still the ones doing the work on the behalf of the alphas. And if you said that, then the response would be: yeah, if the betas rebelled and just killed anyone and everyone displaying alpha tendencies, we'd probably have a safer society.

More boring, certainly.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meant more in terms of alphas being promiscuous males, and betas being (ussually involuntarily) less promiscuous. Not in the "intrasex male social dynamic" sense.

[–]Elodrian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would argue that a sexless relationship would be better than no sex, no relationship

I would like to hear this argument. To my mind the hierarchy goes Sexual Relationship > No Relationship > Sexless Relationship on the grounds that sex adds value to my life while upkeep on a relationship demands my time and resources. Paying the maintenance costs on a relationship while not getting sex is a net value drain in my life.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Women get all the sex they ever want. They get the fun times. They get the chemical rush and roller coaster of excitement. They are always in demand across every spectrum. They get constant bonding and friendship through numerous orbiters. They get ample support from everywhere. They are never held accountable. They have a safer, longer life. They are always true to themselves. And if they cant make it work with any man, most women can flip the switch, go gay and then win in that realm also. The extent of what most men achieve is surviving. Look at Maslows hierarchy of needs. What percentage of men make it to even level two? Maybe 40%? When you cant get your needs met, you have a shit life. Telling yourself anything else is pure delusion. Most men lead miserable lives and its going to get worse every year. The only real out most men have is MGTOW. Ie giving up on having needs. Awesome. Women have it worse - LOL!!!!!

[–]AllOrDeath 4 points5 points  (7 children)

You explained what you believe are the problems men and women face but didnt offer any reasons why 1 is worse or better than the other. Why do women have it worse in your opinion?

[–]abdada 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Men have problems only because they walk in one direction. A man needs to just pivot or climb and life is better. Men age like wine.

Women are constantly sliding downward. They can not delay time. Either they're plunging or they're gently rolling down a hill, but time is her enemy.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That gives me a good idea for a post.

[–]bigcitytruth 6 points7 points  (10 children)

To put it simply, men have it harder but we have it better -- because in the end, we control the shots and we can proactively aim for our targets.

Women have it easier, but they have it worse -- because they have to sit and wait for their dreams to happen to land in their laps.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Women have it easier/better. How can I prove this? Because they have the choice to do more, to be less passive. We do not have the choice to do less. If any woman isn't happy with her options, she has the option to do more. They choose not to. And that's their choice, but they can't then complain about it.

Also... women always manage to date up. Your average 7 fucks 9's and married a 7-8. Without doing much more than put her makeup on. Sorry, I just don't buy that they have it hard.

[–]abdada 5 points6 points  (3 children)

All rewards require risk of they're just consumer addictive behavior made to look like a reward.

[–]mrmeyhemn 1 point2 points  (0 children)


women are born with 99% of their potential. men have to create theirs.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The reason a lot of guys think women have it better is because they are judging "better" based on the male paradigm - as you put it the desire for abundance.

If you judge each sex based on their corresponding paradigm its pretty clear we have it better. More control. Longer window of opportunity. Less reliance on a mate in the first place.

[–]squidracer 3 points4 points  (52 children)

I'm not always sure women have abundance. Sure, online dating they do, but many admit that they are overwhelmed by messages from losers.

The biggest problem I hear women complain about, is that men these days are to shy to approach them.

[–]screamingATtrees 25 points26 points  (3 children)

No they complain that creeps and losers keep hitting on them..."but not Chad! Why won't Chad commit? Why!? Must be all men's fault. "

[–]DaphneDK 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Perhaps a lot of them really are legit creeps and losers. At least there seems to be a hell of a lot of fat or effeminate men, or Pokemon collecting boys who waste their life playing video games. Don't know how it compares to the number of women who are likewise fat and undatable in some other way.

[–]darkrood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because you just need to be confidence, have inner game. Never mind that your hair is messy, your teeth is decaying, and you didn't shower for days. Women respect your oozing confidence. :D

Somehow, it's telling bunch of salesperson: "Be confident and persistent, and women will see that." then voila....

[–]makethemflaunt 7 points8 points  (7 children)

they are overwhelmed by messages from losers.

Right. I hate it when I go on online dating and I get overwhelmed by messages from loser women. Oh wait.

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[–]abdada 42 points43 points  (12 children)

You hear women complaininf?

GTFO. This is TRP, we don't pay attention to what women say.

Women have sexual abundance even if they are UB3s.

[–]pcadrian 42 points42 points [recovered]

I agree. When women complain that guys are too shy to approach them, what they really mean is they don't get approached by the top 20%.

If an avg guy would approach them, he'd get rejected lol.

[–]abdada 28 points29 points  (2 children)

I have seen plenty of average guys clean up via daygame but end up lonely on dating sites.

Game is confidence and charisma. Average look aren't a problem if your Game is tight. Daygame is about Game, online dating is about perception of value.

[–]Kid_Crimson 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This! I'm older and not a bronzed god and can tell you that Tinder and OKC don't yield many results because old fuck! Day Game however is all about letting them experience the thrill and mystery that is me IRL! ...and it gets me some sweet sweet action!

[–]argentinean 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Sometimes they even go beyond saying they are too shy, but rather that they do not exist or are not even in the place.

Last weekend I went to a club with some friends. It was crowded with sex-starved guys; very few women, even fewer hot ones.

A plate happened to go there, too. Couple days ago she tells me about that night--according to her account of the facts, there were no guys but only girls, and that she ended up dancing alone! WTF are you blind or were you on LSD? Clearly there was abundance of low SMV guys.

[–]squidracer 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Many times that pretty shy girl at the grocery doesn't get hit on as much as you think.

Sure, if she asked a guy for sex, he would say yes. But they want the man to make the move and men aren't.

[–]abdada 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Pretty much why almost all my LTRs were pretty shy girls I met at a grocery store on a Saturday morning.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I've done Starbucks, but this sounds like a great place to meet productivity-minded women too.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

A grocery cart can tell a lot about a person.

[–]sourdieselfuel 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I have an idea of what it might be, but can you expand upon your approach at a grocery store?

[–]abdada 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm a no line approacher. I don't use lines on women because it doesn't fit my personality.

I met an LTR in Whole Foods around 9:30am on a Sunday. She was browsing cheese and I told her not to buy the two she had selected. She was shy but asked me why and I grabbed a better cheese and held it out for her (semi kino right after) and discussed it for a few minutes.

Ran into her at checkout and said "it's nice out, those won't spoil fast, let's get coffee next door. Meet me there in ten minutes." And she did. And she passed my 20 minute coffee-close tests and got a second date the next night.

I am pretty good at approaches because I'm not thirsty. Lines don't work for me because I prefer to present myself as witty and charming (natural on both).

[–]redadactyl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are so right about the Saturday Morning thing. The low value ones were trashed the night before and are gonna sloth in bed for the day. Being out and about and running game Saturday Morning is a great way to weed out a lot of the bad ones. Morning people are just healthier and happier overall anyway.

[–]Anderfail 15 points16 points  (24 children)

I've known women who stopped using online services because the shear amount of messages they received regardless of whether it was from guys they wanted or not was overwhelming to the point where they couldn't keep up just viewing them. It's a legitimate problem that is a documented psychological issue wherein people tend to choose nothing when presented with a huge amount of options. This is especially true for women because they are often paralyzed by the inability to make a decision even when presented with just a few options.

Women do have significant issues in the dating world that aren't just related to hypergamy.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (8 children)

Women do have significant issues in the dating world that aren't just related to hypergamy.

Yes they do. Totally agree.

I don't care.

And you shouldn't either.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 5 points6 points  (1 child)

And you shouldn't either.

I'd like to think women have it difficult in the dating world, but the reality is I don't think they do. The things they complain about are a tiny fraction of what men have to deal with. No sympathy here.

[–]Anderfail 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I never said I gave a shit. I don't, just pointing it out that they don't necessarily have it better, just different and equally bad.

[–]RedPillProphet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

equally bad

I sense some nonsensical ideology based thinking there.

[–]philovivero 2 points3 points  (2 children)

They're still human. Betas are also human. Is it not okay to have sympathy for our fellow humans?

Am I in the wrong forum where I still feel like women, betas, omegas deserve our understanding, our nurturing, our care?

[–]haxurmind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is it not okay to have sympathy for our fellow humans?

IMO it is ok; just remember to not to try and take care of others at the expense of yourself.

A post I did a month ago opened with the below line; from which I went over in greater detail within that post. Not linked as I can't link other posts within this sub.

Find a middle line between being generous and 'generous to a fault'.

[–]watch_ping 11 points12 points  (0 children)

"why won't chad message me! I don't want to talk to these icky betas, they're not even 8/10!"

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Women in general have trouble making decisions when presented with various choices. I see this every day in my current position.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women do have significant issues in the dating world that aren't just related to hypergamy.

Ah but this problem is caused by hypergamy. If women were more active and less choosy (eg 7's choose 7's), online dating would be more symmetrical and women wouldn't be overloaded with messages.

[–]whoyoustupid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Overchoice, aka choice overload


[–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I've known women who stopped using online services because the shear amount of messages they received regardless of whether it was from guys they wanted or not was overwhelming to the point where they couldn't keep up just viewing them.

So they have to sift through profiles of people who messaged them and have already shown interest, instead of profiles of random people on the site and then having to send the first message. Oh boo-hoo.

[–]slay_it_forward 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know I've recently stopped approaching because it just isn't worth the time. Low ROI even as a pretty good looking guy. Spending hours approaching only to have most girls flake gets frustrating.

[–]xray777 89 points89 points [recovered]

I think among the RP and Manosphere community, it IS acknowledged that women are increasingly getting the short end of the dating stick. Hell, that's the Misogyny Bubble in a nutshell, its right on the sidebar.

The thing is.....its THEIR fault. Women are the ones pushing the feminism 3.0 agenda and ultimately torpedoing their own reproductive future as they precision engineer 80% of the men in society into utterly un-fuckable revolting losers leaving 20% who make them wet but will never, ever, ever marry them.

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (11 children)

Men have it harder when they're young and women have it harder when they're older. If women don't capitalize on their youthful beauty, they lose the game. If men don't improve themselves when they're young to become a desirable man, they lose the game.

Women are born into it, men are molded it into it. Women just have to be introspective and realize they're not going to be that pretty forever. They need to start looking for men that are attractive and they can help build into better men rather then just wanting the best man available.

I know it's never going to happen in our society because women don't want responsibility for their actions. It's men's fault for "objectifying women" or dating younger women. It's not her fault she missed out on her smv prime and now has to date less attractive men. It's men's.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 52 points53 points  (9 children)

A guy can waste 35 years of his life, spend 3 right & fuck hot 18 years olds from 38 to 48 - not even kidding. Men have a much longer "effective" period within the SMV, which is a why there's also so many more things to hinder us.

There's an inherent asymmetry in the SMV - one that heavily favors men. Women are at their peak desirability between 16 and 26. Men... anywhere from 18 to 48, in some cases maybe even 58 if they are truly exceptional.

[–]Faghomo 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Or if they're obscenely rich/exceptionally fit they could do well even at 78.

[–]RedLeaderFlyingBy 3 points4 points  (1 child)

My first surfing instructor a long time ago was 58

I thought he was mid 40s

His girlfriend was early 30s

Man taught me a lot that day

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds about right ...them "yoga instructors" and "fitness trainers" too. Mhmhm mhmhm

[–]philovivero 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Tiny note: misandry bubble. Not misogyny bubble.

[–]Smooovies 17 points17 points [recovered]

Society and the culture tells you it is your problem. You have to offer yourself up to be her Boyfriend, because that's how you're going to get sex. Society tells you this is your problem because our hypothetical girl is Not Happy, and it is men's job to Make Her Happy. What's more, you're told that if you Make Her Happy then She Will Make You Happy ("happy" being you will get your dick wet).

This is literally where the male hamster is created. It's the mechanism through which the female hamster is translated into a language that young men and pre-TRP men in their 30's and older can understand. Her feels become your money, time and value, through options set fourth in society. If for nothing else, TRP exists to offer another perspective for men.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Yeah, the male hamster IS our problem. The male hamster exists not only to translate her hamsterspeak; but also to rationalize and justify your own decisions and failures.

The male hamster crouches at your door; you must master him.

[–][deleted] 76 points77 points  (17 children)

Tables turn. You were a ghost to her in high school and today she has to settle for a ghost but you are not a ghost anymore.

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[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 38 points39 points  (6 children)

I cannot even begin to describe to you the sheer volume of gorgeous girls I went to HS with all those years ago, of which 90% (at least) have turned into fat, pale, lazy, broke single moms. Or married to some guy who probably worships at the alter of her feet every day because he'd have no chance in hell with anyone else. Strangely satisfying.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 37 points38 points  (3 children)

The worst part is that they feel like they are doing you a favor. When you turn them down, about fifty percent of the time the hamster goes all Bruce Banner on your ass. That's partly because she's stuck back in high school and believes her overall worth to be higher than yours still. That's still not my problem, though.

[–]quixoticme1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I thought they recognized they hit the wall and did this for that reason? I'm new to this. Are you saying women never realize they hit the wall?

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 19 points20 points  (0 children)

So imagine that everything has been handed to you on a silver platter for the last thirty years. The narcissism bred from that is still going to tinge her world view, probably for the rest of her life. Even if they realize that the attention is drying up, and that they need to find Billy Beta to provide, they still think they are a top of the line model as well. So when a guy that was nobody in high school has made himself a man, they assume the dynamic is the same as it used to be. She believes that she is going to have an easy time roping the guy in. When he turns her down and strolls off with a 19 year old HB9, the narcissism ramps up and she starts trying to frame him as a creep for preferring a girl that isn't used up. It's partly because she doesn't want to come to grips with the fact that her SMV, which is the entire self worth of some of these women, has fallen to the point that a guy that used to be on the lowest social rung has now turned her down.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Feels good amiright? Had an old college ex hitting me up on linkedin. She never even let me bang her back then (we went out for a couple months) but she expects me to pick her up now? Yeah no thanks. Bet she let a whole lot of Chads inside her while she was denying me in college. The nerve on that bitch to hit me up after 7 years is crazy. AF/BB is real man. I see it more everyday in real life, movies, tv shows, everywhere.

[–]trancedj 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Don't forget music. I now hear music through a new set of ears. That popular love song - yeah that was clearly written by a lonely BB who got his heart stomped on. AF/BB is literally EVERYWHERE.

[–]setzer_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am gonna do a whole post on exactly this. The bluepill lyrics I hear in everything blows my fucking mind these days... even like 15 year old indie emo bands and shit... I listen now and go whooaaaaaa

[–]philovivero 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And her ability to pay has gone down. To zero.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Yeah. And the point is....

That's not your problem.

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (1 child)

A man can be a loser early in his life, then turn himself around and become a new person.

A woman can be a massive whore early in her life, and now she's ruined forever.

Maybe someone could have saved her if redpillwomen reached out to her in her teens, but it's too late once your partner count is so high you can't remember their names.

Men have a much larger grace period and the ability to bounce back. That's why I'm okay with being a late bloomer that missed out in earlier years.

It has to really, really fucking suck to be a woman. Modern feminism as a sexual strategy is entirely understandable to me.

[–]103342 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I used to come to TRP and think that the whole "too many relationships ruins a girl's value" was kind exaggerated, partially wishful thinking and that her value was only being diminished because she could be considered a slut by society.

But after thinking about my own experiences with more "experienced" girls, specially my last two dates I realised how true it is.

After some time you get so jaded that you just don't have the patience to hide your red flags. These experienced girls are so entitled and jaded that it is VERY hard for them to keep a guy that has other options around.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 9 points10 points  (2 children)

If you average it out across an individual's entire lifetime, and then average the lifetimes out across all individuals of a gender in a given population, then perhaps the struggles and and wins could be subjectively equal for both genders even if they are different and we are comparing apples with oranges. But this is true only if the rules are close to being "natural". We live in a society saturated with the feminine imperative. Their sexual strategy wins, and man's loses more often than not. So no, men today, on average, and across their lifetime, will necessarily have it harder.

[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (18 children)

I believe that women only have it "harder than we do" because they're unwilling to date down. That's their problem, they're doing it to themselves.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (1 child)

Encouraging or expecting women to date down won't solve their problem. Women are not going to do that; they're hardwired to do just the opposite.

But... It's not your problem anyway; so worry about being awesome.

[–]marplaneit 27 points28 points  (12 children)

It is not that they are unwilling to date down, they are unwilling to date even higher smv guys, if they are not at least top 20-30%. After 3 years of self improvement, and 1 year of hard monk mode, I have a beach body 5'11 165 10% bodyfat (In argentina that's pretty good) in meed school, 20 years old, and recently stared an event bussiness, and I get girls throwing themselves at me, but oh surprise-surprise they are 4-5, at best a super slutty 7.

[–]Steve_Wiener 11 points12 points  (1 child)

You're still very young. That will probably change as you get older, especially if you become a doctor. (Then you can get 7+ gold diggers, lol.)

[–]sourpuss_ashkenazi 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think this is it. Famous men who seem like could have had any girl like Sean Connery or Robert Deniro looked like silly kids in their twenties. Men gain gravitas as they get older, big time, especially comparing a 20 year old to a 35 year old. When you're in your thirties you'll look back at old pictures and think you looked like a big baby. Though it doesn't make it easier if you're dying for companionship/sex in your twenties though but that's smv for you, its harsh. Harsh on men and women

[–]Smooovies 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Shit. What a waste. Getting fifty 5's is like winning the lottery, with the condition that your herpes flair up whenever you access your account.

[–]RedPillProphet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seems... Worth it? I'll just withdraw a million.

[–]TheReplierBRO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Withdraw and pull all your money from the bank. In other words, quit playing this bullshit game.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Man life fuckin sucks sometimes. I used to be super skinny (6'1" 160, now 6'1" 195) and girls wouldn't even look at me. Now I've got muscle in all the right places so that my body just looks sexual, you know what I'm saying?

[–]BrunoOh 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Your game is probably shit.

And they don't know you're in med school or own a business. Women can't read minds.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Maybe you aren't as attractive as you think?

[–]marplaneit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am not, but those girls only 2 years a go wouldn't even look in my direction. I Still need to put at least 15 more lbs of muscle, graduate and develop my bussiness.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Not exactly. The problem is that they're only willing to date up. That they consider guys at their level unacceptable.

[–]ShitfacedBatman 24 points24 points [recovered]

The most popular problem I encounter women having has everything to do with gender role reversal. A woman will inadvertently assume provider/protector roles in her day to day life and therefore attracts a man who is a nurturer/caregiver.

How/why/how does a woman assume a provider/protector role in life? Blame feminism, career-minded women, "independent" women, and the you-go-girl quota-filling attitude with respect to job promotions. The higher a woman climbs in a man's world, the more masculine she'll become. She might also get fat - a lot of women eat to cope with job stress. Dating feminine nurturer/caregiver types of men also reinforces her role-reversal tendencies.

Some women prefer this. MOST do not. MOST are frustrated and confused and don't know what's going on. Hence, articles like, "where are all the good men at?" Honey, you became a man, sad to say. Whenever I point out a woman's dating problems to her in terms of gender roles, she has an ah-ha moment.

Men have a similar problem. Hate to say it, but yes, there is quite a bit to "they're taking our jerbs!" There is also quite a bit to stagnant wages year in and year out. How the hell do you provide and protect if you're barely making 30k a year? Even at 60k a year? You either can't or you're going to have a very frustrating time of it. Hence the rise of MGTOW. You might date and fuck around now and again, but without a reliable $120k a year, marriage will probably never enter the realm of "semi-reasonable" for you, especially in America. Gatekeepers of commitment, indeed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Could be. Plausible.

But as a reminder: This is not your problem.

[–]WallstreetBateman 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah ok so they have a problem. I'll agree with you there. But let's not pretend that they don't have a solution. And a pretty good one too in that.

When you want sex then get sex from Chad. When you want commitment then get it from Billy. It's basically AFBB. Branch swinging. Call it what you want. Whatever. That's their solution. And it's incredibly efficient at that too. It's like doing isolation exercises. (Which some say is not preferred but that's another story).

Women are perfectly happy to operate this way. High quality sex when you want it. High quality commitment when you want. So getting back to your main point...is it really even a problem if they can get what they want from different men?

Who says they NEED commitment and sex from the same person? Even if you want to argue that women are always wanting to trade up (which means that they will not be happy unless they Chad to commit) that still doesn't make it a legitimate problem. It's just a problem in their own heads. Created by the hamster if you will.

If i had to become a woman (without growing a hamster) I would be ecstatic to take advantage of the AFBB strategy. And you should be too. Never appease the hamster.

[–]Rasalom72 36 points37 points  (7 children)

The largest problem women have is that they take no accountability for how their relationships turn out.

I'm not getting any "quality men"... and wonder why... It's cause your a fat fuck. Get off your ass, and hit the gym. And put on some makeup, and get rid of that short orange hair... Stop trying to out man every guy you see..

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (5 children)

This post isn't about those women. It's more about average women, not deliberately unattractive wildebeests or about radfems with orange hair.

[–]Rasalom72 42 points43 points  (4 children)

Yea... but even the "average" woman now is a fat fuck.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (3 children)

That's her problem, not yours and not mine.

Men's problem is: if HE is a fat fuck; if HE is unattractive; if HE has nothing to offer besides provider credentials. He needs to work on that.

If all she can attract are men who want only to fuck her, that's her problem, not mine and not yours.

[–]Rasalom72 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yea, but that's the point of the OP. Women's dating/sex problems. Plus, it's becomes our problems when we have to see these fucking hambeasts in the wild... Jesus, I saw one the other day and my cock did a turtle head and crawled up into my body to get away from it...

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

but that's the point of the OP.

No it's not. The point of the OP is that women's problems are not your problems. So don't make them your problems.

See them. Identify them. Know they are there. Understand them and why they exist.

Don't try to fix them, resolve them, change them or alleviate them.

[–]RedPillProphet 7 points8 points  (0 children)

STFU OP and let me tell you what the point of the OP is

[–]1PantsonFire1234 16 points17 points  (2 children)

So you're saying women have a tough time because they can only date a guy who's a point higher than her? Inbetween she can choose to degrade/validate herself by banging 9's and 10's for a while, how awfull.

You would almost forget that there's a gym within a 15 mile radius that could crank that meager 5-6 into a reasonable 7. Make up that could accentuate that even further. Horrible odds to face.

They are definatly having a hard time because I see no way how these women could have it all! Excuse my sarcasm but I think you're entire post is a bunch of baloney. Even ugly looking women can date a reasonable 7 if they would put their butt to work and learn how to look and act seductive. I know plenty of semi beta's that would jump at the chance to LTR some six on behalf of one condition (don't be fat). How hard can it be?

Women can only claim to have it hard if you would accept their dumb premise that they are entitled to have everything. That's ridiculous.

Let me put this down very clearly so every guy who's feeling slightly re-plugged due to your beta baiting post wakes the fuck up again-

Women who are 5-6 deserve a 6-7. Men who are a 7 deserve a 5-7. Anything that strays away from that measurement is due to the obliviousness of some indoctrinated guy or the alpha game of some chad. Women don't have it difficult

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"Woman, by her nature, is condemned to being a miserable cunt"

-The Bible.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 16 points17 points  (1 child)

She's in a tough spot.

No she's not. She doesn't do anything. She takes her beta bux and her alpha fucks where she can get them, and she compromises more towards the beta as time goes on. Fucking easy, fun and profitable. All her friends, all the laws, all the courts are always on her side. No responsibility is afforded her, men are always to blame.

It's not like she actually goes to any effort or has any active role to play in the dating game, nor are there any consequences and there is no investment or rejection either.

It's fucking easy to date as a woman. And don't tell me "but she's gotta choose the one"... bullshit, she just upgrades and branch swings as she feels like it. Picking from your choices of men offering so much is fucking easy.

Settling down with The One is tough for the reasons you outline, and many women simply don't do this. The pursue their AF and BB strategy even while in relationships and even when married. And noone blames her, noone holds her responsible, there's always a load of betas willing to rescue her and buy her story of how Chad abused her (by leaving, but she always skips that part of the story).

If anyone can fuck up dating on super super super easy mode, they'd have to be utterly retarded. And they do. They do plenty. But let's not pretend the game itself is in any way difficult for them.

Edit: additional thoughts: Your average women could do fuckloads to be more attractive. Lose weight and get in shape, get better hair, be more charming and less aggressive/emotionally-abusive/manipulative towards men, etc. Any woman that isn't doing these very basic things has no right to complain that she can't get a man good enough for her. If she isn't viewing a relationship as an exchange, then she's a lazy entitled nobody and I have no time for her.

[–]CreateTheFuture 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is the most insightful post I've seen here in a while. Amazingly, it's unlike most of the analysis posts we see every day that are far too long on words and far too short on truth.

Take notes, gents. Long-winded does not equal wise.

[–]Keninishna 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Women suffer because they live a paradox, they want power and money and social status from a guy and they want to have sex with him. The problem is if they get the value from the guy they no longer want anything from him because they took it away and the guy kicks himself like wtf did I just get laid or scammed. The alphas just think selfishly and don't give the women power just the sex and the women feel cheated because they put out and got nothing for it and the alphas keep their power and go on to fuck more women who think they can take it. If you think about it the term getting fucked or screwed over makes a lot of sense. Really being alpha is having high value and not giving that value away ever.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

OP is right and I could give zero fucks about female dating problems, because they are generally self-inflicted.

The root cause of the problem is that women are emotional creatures trying to win in a market that rewards rational decision making. A woman trying to navigate the SMP is like a guy who wins million dollar lotto, cashes in his ticket and immediately goes to a high stakes poker game, leaving a few hours later broke and humiliated.

What would a rational female player in the SMP do? She'd seek commitment when she's young and her value is highest, she'd get an accurate assessment of her own value, bid within a reasonable value range and preserve her ability to pair bond by remaining chaste.

What do members of the YOLO sisterhood do nowadays? They follow shitty feminist advice and do the exact fucking opposite. They develop an inflated sense of their own value, give away their precious resource for free when it's at peak value, depress their market value by seeking buyers who have the least incentive to commit and attempt to cash in when their assets are almost fully depreciated.

It's almost pathetic, because it's like taking candy from a baby if you're an experienced player.


[–]mrpCamper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You know. This is totally spot on. And the sooner I can fully 100% gauge myself around the fact that "It's not my problem." The better off I'l be. Amen sister!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Universalize this post and you have the morality of Objectivism: you're an end in yourself. Be brutally honest about the reality of things, determine whats in your rational self-interest, and quit allowing that altruistic BS idea that you gain value or virtue by putting someone else before you.

[–]Carbone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your text sound like the intro of this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPpIGQ9ZWFw

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great post. It does summarize my thinking about TRP and my own life, while TRP is a sexual strategy TRPis not about women, it's about me and my own life. Women are a nice accessory to it.

Reading at the comments: do women have it better or worse? They have a different set of circumstances, some aspects are better off then a guy's life, some other are not.

I do see feminism at large as a disservice to everyone, but first and foremost to the women whose interest is supposed to safeguard.

The average Red Pill guy can quickly soar to be at top 10% guy just by:

  • removing women from the pedestal and put himself there Occupy your own pedestal

  • hit the gym, and hit it hard; and fix your diet

  • pursue your dream career

  • pursue your interests

  • learn a bit of game

That is not much to ask, and it's FUN.

Now, back to the OP's average woman, she has nowhere to go, no path, no philosophy to follow or fall back into to become a top 10%. Sad.

[–]Plan_of_Action 10 points10 points [recovered]

I'm trying my best to hold back the immediate feelings of rage that this post filled me with. Let me just say one thing. Women have it fucking easy. They don't know it, but they have it easy. Everyone thinks their own road is tough. Of course they think their problems are tough, but their real problem is that they're just too fucking greedy/picky. They could easily have someone better looking than them that would also be a great partner and provider. That is theirs. No man (or very few) can say this. They can also have all the depraved crazy sex that they crave with much higher value people than themselves. What man can say this?

Their problem summed up = Oh noes! I only get commitment from kind of awesome guys, when I want commitment from SUPER awesome guys! WAAAAAAHHH

The problem for most men = I haven't been laid in months. No one gives a fuck about me. No one gives a fuck about my problems, and when I do find a girlfriend she will cheat on me with someone better than me, with someone she feels entitled to.

Don't confuse the two. Women do. not. have. it. hard.... and believing that they do is the failure of a massive shit test. I've seen women who think they are working hard at the gym but barely break a sweat. I've seen women feign pain for sympathy. I've seen women who fully believe that they are having a bad time in their life, pull a complete 180 and believe their life is actually pretty awesome when they think they'll lose their security.

Don't buy this bullshit. Women have it so fucking easy that they are blind to it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly. "Woman have it hard because their super unrealistic expectations, of having an extremely high-value man commit to them when they have little to nothing to offer, aren't often met." Cry me a river.

[–]hebola4lyfe 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Never EVER believe that women have it hard . This is a disgusting lie . I can't believe so many of you agree with Op. This is simply not true for any women. They basically dont need to lift a finger.

Women will ALWAYS have it easy even for commitment from guys.

Women have it so easy that they don't even have the slightest clue how difficult dating ACTUALLY is .

A 4-5 girl can easily get a 6-7 guy's commitment ; she will not be attracted to him and will treat him like a provider . These guys will literally give them everything she will ask them. They are the so called betas : they are everywhere around the globe.

There are so many beta white knights out there that it is impossible for women to have dating/sex problems .

WOMEN DO NOT HAVE IT HARD . Remember this .

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But shes 25 so that means she hit the wall, bro!!!!!!!/

[–]Steve_Wiener 7 points8 points  (4 children)

They have dating problems because they won't date down and in many cases won't date an equal. Also because they are pathological insane-os who subconsciously sabotage their own relationships.

I have 0 sympathy. Except for the top of the top percent of men they control the dating/sex game from high school till the wall. Cry me a fucking river.

[–]whoyoustupid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are hypergamous. This is not something that can be changed. Women only date up. Use this knowledge to your advantage.

[–]Soitgoes48 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Just take a moment to imagine the life of a woman that is a 3 or a 4. The feels man.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yep. It's difficult. But she will still be able to deploy sex to get a man for commitment. She won't get a high value man. She won't get the best man. But she will still be able to get one.

She has problems, that 's for sure. But they are her problems to solve. They are not your problems.

[–]stewenson 10 points10 points [recovered]

imagine what it has to be for a guy who is a 3 or a 4. THAT hurts. who is he supposed to date if a woman dates only up? zeros, ones maybe?

[–]Soitgoes48 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A man's SMV can easily be improved as it is a rating based about the action he has taken in his life. His daily habits and mindsets.

A woman's SMV is based in passivity and can be improved slightly if she has glaring health or hygiene issues by losing weight or putting on makeup, but it isnt nearly as fluid as a mans.

I'm not feeling bad for them, however as they will still get thrown a few bones in their time. Simply making an observation.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yup. Taking random 5-6 badboy cock till the wall. Then you're alone forever.

Still no sympathy for these cunts, but I get it.

[–]myprimetime 5 points5 points [recovered]

here is the thing, every woman thinks she is the exception...every woman thinks she is the princess that will get prince charming.

so they play the game to the brink. Dating/fucking high quality men, looking to get them to commit. Then at 30, it's the quick scramble to sink their hooks into anyone with a dick before their looks fade completely. The amount of time it takes them to do so, depends purely on how fast they are to realize their actual value.

the problem is that for each woman her internal "VALUE" is always higher than what it is in reality.

She might be a 6 in the looks/personality department, but she thinks her $40K/yr marketing career, means that she is now actually an 8. So she won't even give the time of day to a guy who is a 6...because she just thinks they are different species now.

And all the dating apps aren't helping. They give them too much choice, so they are like a kid in a candy store, being told to pick one candy to bring home.

But the thing with dating sites, is that after she gets home from your date, and hops back on, she gets 50 new messages from quality men. So she is comparing the imperfect you she saw in person(he dropped his fork, he made a bad pun, he had a pimple) to the perfect Chads that keep messaging her.

But the problem is that none of those Chads will be perfect either, EVERYONE lies on their dating profiles. If someone is that perfect, they wouldn't be on there in the first place. So she becomes a serial dater, going on 60-70 dates in a row without finding anyone who fits her crazy specific criteria. Which ends up fucking up her psyche.

That's why I only use the dating sites/apps for hookups only. I just find the women who actually use these to be too broken for actual dating. They just get way too much attention, so the chances of them staying interested beyond a few dates is just too high. There is always someone new to catch their interest. So better to get in, dump your load, and move on.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Blah blah blah princess blah blah commit blah blah value blah blah job blah messages blah blah Chad.



[–]yaardi 9 points10 points  (10 children)

Good topic. A lot of guys think women's relationship life is on easy-mode. And that's kinda true but only if she wants to ride the CC, which is a short-term "victory".

[–]DodgedAFew 50 points51 points  (7 children)

You know that guy who divorced a rich chick and now lives off alimony? I don't.

[–]AmazingAndy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tom Arnold - the white whale of alimony. managed to bag a rich (overweight) woman and milk her for millions

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

IF the issue is getting sex and attention from high value men, then yes, her life IS on easy-mode.

A lot of low and mid-value men are tying themselves in knots trying to make women happy by showing them what great Boyfriends they can be -- "LOOK Miss Princess! I'm a great Boyfriend! I make you HAPPY!"

Her dating problems are not his problems. He fucks up his life by making it his problem.

He needs to solve his own problems by getting awesome and by not concerning himself with her dating problems.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My father would have had a great retirement if he hadn't tried to save every single mother with their ungrateful bastard kids.

[–]DontKnowMargo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this. I am starting to get the RP mentality.

[–]wtfdizzy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's sad to see how much the "you have to make her happy in order to get sex/a girlfriend" agenda is pushed at young boys, especially in high school. Hell, it can start earlier than that, especially since girls mature quicker than boys.

When I was in high school, it was expected of boys to buy their girlfriends lots of gifts. Stupid shit like flowers, chocolates, etc. And for what? The chance at maybe getting laid? Not likely. The hypergamy bubble in women starts VERY young. Shit, my high school girlfriend would get super pissed at me for not buying gifts for her when her friends would receive gifts from their boyfriends. It was fucking ridiculous! Unfortunately, stupid young me fell into that trap.

Guys, it's never your problem when women have a horrible time dating. As OP said, all you have to do is mold yourself into the best man you can be, and the rewards will show.

[–]ransay3277 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an awesome post that should be required red pill reading. Most women are totally delusional as to what their true SMV is. Especially the snowflakes that are getting near the wall. They constantly hear the "you go girl" from their friends and they haven't a clue.

One day at work I overheard two female co-workers talking and heard one tell the other... "He's just not hot enough." I was stunned! This lady was a fucking 2. Who the hell did she think she was going to get, Brad Pitt?

Hypergamy is the curse of todays woman. I guess that's why so many are miserable. Oh well, like the man says... Not my problem!

[–]Bukowski1977 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I needed this right now. Thanks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The first three lines were enough.

Single moms have a hard life, and have struggle - not your problem

sugar babies are in gilded cages - not your problem

Every single one of those things are an easy way to suck you into hell as well, the reason they aren't your problem? Because why would you run a race (happiness) with a weight on your ankles?

[–]ShitlerParty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this part is the most important of the entire post:

"You don't need to be nicer; you need to hit the gym. You don't need a girlfriend; you need more men around you to sharpen and hone you. You don't need to spend time figuring out how to be what she wants; you need to spend more time deciding who you are. You don't need to spend money on her; you need to get some better clothes and a haircut."

You do you, sweetie. No, seriously. Focus on yourself. You will never be confident until you learn to love who you are, and we're realists here, so that doesn't mean loving yourself no matter what . . . it means turning yourself into the kind of man you would admire. It means being the best version of yourself that you possibly can be. You'll feel infinitely more satisfied with yourself and you'll get laid more because you've turned yourself into a confident man of value.

[–]jeruka 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I find it ironic that you preach that every guy should focus on themselves and do what they wanna do but in the same time you say that every one needs to do just those things that get the girls.

"Get some better clothes and a hair cut" How exactly is that living for yourself. Broadcasting a higher status to get more women is the opposite of living for yourself. Spending your hard earned dollars to get fancy clothes that don't have any practical function. That's living for women. I'm down with working out, eating good and taking care of yourself because those things make my life better even without the increased sexual access. And if we are talking about exercising, why is it always just "go to gym". yeah that's right because that's what gets you the girls because you should let women's unconscious desires to dictate what you do in your life. If you really want to live life for yourself, then snap out of the gynocentric mindset that tells you that success in life is determined by what gets you laid. If the women come after that, let em but don't live your life for them.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Meh. You don't want to attract women, then don't do anything to attract women.

[–]rossiFan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I knew a woman at a former workplace who was a 9.5 about 90% of the time. I never could figure out why she worked. Why she didn't go get a sugar daddy. I was casual friends with her. I told her she should launch "Operation Sugar Daddy", and we laughed about it. We worked out at the same time at the same gym. I would talk to her and guys would come over to me afterwards and ask, "WHO IS SHE"?

I was/am perplexed by her. But, yeah, OP - even the hot ones have problems.

[–]SW9876 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd say that this all comes down to the fact that men appreciate and women depreciate. A men can be dealt a shit hand and work his ass off to improve himself and become an 8. A woman on the other hand only has so much to work with. Obviously she can greatly increase her SMV by staying health/physically fit, but she'll never be an 8.

[–]2IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always find it funny when women come to TRP and go "you say all these contradictory things - what's a woman actually supposed to do with that?"

I dunno bitch, figure it out yourself? I'm not claiming to have the answers you want, but that's not my problem.

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