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Blue Pill Example29 year old woman hurt her boyfriend cares about her high partner count. Gets told her sleeping with 17 men makes her 'average'. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by cassandrita

Link 1: https://archive.is/C10Rg

Link 2: https://archive.is/7zVfJ

TL;DR Woman confesses she slept with 17 men to her boyfriend thinking he is 'sex positive' and won't mind. Turns out he does and she posts for validation.

She starts out with this:

We were initially talking about PIV numbers, and my PIV number is lower than what my BF thought was "high, but not crazy high". But then I asked him if he was also considering foreplay, and he said he supposed he would feel the same about foreplay partners. Bam, my number doubles.

So her number of 'foreplay' is double the men she actually had sex with. Then she adds:

Fine.. 17 PIV patners, ~20 Foreplay partners.

That doesn't seem like double. That means she fucked 85% of the guys she messed around with. Makes me think she's lying about her number too.

In the updated post, her boyfriend has completely changed his attitude with her. She responds by hamstering

From the post:

So, he is indeed disgusted by me. He says we are different people. He says he never knew me. His opinion of me has now changed.

He talked some mild shit to me. "You don't even know how many guys you blew, you can't even give me a number" I had given him an approximate number of how many people that'd gone down on me / the other way around, but it wasn't exact.

So she doesn't even know the amount of guys she's had 'foreplay' with. Geesh.

Yesterday, before I posted here, I sent him a message that explained that women fudge their numbers for a lot of reasons. Girls often experience crazy pressure when they're teenagers, and end up doing things they don't want to until they get to the point where they're able to tell guys to fuck off and leave them alone. I told him that probably 5-10 of my foreplay experiences that I told him happened under these circumstance; that I was pressured into doing more than I wanted because I still didn't know how to tell a guy to fuck off.

She was practically raped! Most girls with any self respect will know to tell a guy to fuck off. When I was a teen, my mom told me how guys would look down on a girl they thought was 'easy' and that a girl's virtue was important. For this woman to use the excuse that all young women 'give it up' is ridiculous. She was just slutty.

We aren't broken up yet. He says he still loves me. He says he doesn't think breaking up necessarily has to happen. I'm just worried that things won't ever be the same. He says that is what he is worried about as well.

He'll either stay with her and cheat or leave her. Why doesn't she just dump him?

I am heartbroken. My two kids refer to him as their stepdad. My daughter asks me once a week when the wedding is. I graduate in May, and I've been looking for jobs to move me and my two kids to his city, to live with him.

Beta bux. Of course. He's a good provider who put a ring on it and she can't lose her meal ticket. Who wants to take bets on the kids not even being from the same father? She doesn't even mention who he is

He was always so sex positive. But he said that just because he was okay with it, doesn't mean that's what he wants for himself. I feel like dirt. He knew that I came from a shitty family and that I had daddy issues.

Just because a guy claims he's a feminist doesn't mean she's going to be okay with her future wife having been passed around.

Oh, and his number is 7. That's not even as low as I thought. AND he's only been in a relationship with 3 people!! So he's speaking to me with contempt, has lost his respect for me, says sex isn't special to me, but... he also will have sex outside of a relationship?

That's ten less partners than she has. And I'm guessing he actually had to put in some effort to get those partners. All she had to do was go to a bar and get picked up.

Then she keeps texting him, not realizing it's over even after he tells her these honest truths:

"I can't believe you were literally with an unknown number of guys" I'm just sitting here literally begging him to love me still, and I can't believe that I'm begging someone who is being so awful to me... We are messaging now and he is currently telling me that I wouldn't even recognize a guy I'd been intimate with if I saw him. I'd have to pick him out of a dick lineup. I'm literally begging him to speak to me with respect now. He says, "I wanted to fuckin marry you and my life is the joke from clerks". I'm so heart broken.

Which causes her to go into hamster mode and post this:

"Actually, his life is Chasing Amy - the one where an insecure guy freaks out, interrogates the woman and ruins a great thing due to his petty jealousy and immaturity." I'm glad that I have people close to me and even on the internet to remind me that I've done nothing wrong and I don't deserve the hate and disrespect you're giving me. If I didn't, you'd be doing some pretty bad damage. What a time we live in."

Translation: Thank you for validating my bad life choices and even though I lost this beta bux, I'll know to keep my mouth shut in the future.

The top comments:

You need to break up with him. He will never let this go.

Except it's hard for a 29 year old, single mother of 2 to find a good beta bux right?

Your boyfriend needs to grow the fuck up. Stop apologizing for having sex before you met him. Stop letting him put you down and insult you.

Hell, even Clerks itself has this message. Dante freaks out because his girlfriend has blown so many guys, but he's shown to be the shitty, irrational one - both she and Randall point out to him that no matter how many guys she's been with in the past, Dante is the guy she's with now, and the only guy she's with. She brings him his favourite food to work, and she's trying to inspire him to go back to school and open up possibilities for his life. She's an amazing girlfriend, and it's his own stupid insecurity that fucks it up because he can't get past her having sucked a lot of dick.

Right? OP's number isn't what I'd consider "high." Her soon-to-be-ex is probably just butt-hurt that his is lower.

Bonus Beta comment:

Look, I know this post is flooded, but I wanted to throw my experience in in case it helps.

I was your boyfriend once. I considered myself "sex positive" and a feminist. I believed that women could have sex with whoever they wanted, however often they wanted, and that it wasn't anyone's place to tell them otherwise or feel any kind of way about it. And then when my current partner told me her number (over double mine for sex, can't even count how many foreplay/etc) I couldn't handle it. Being sex positive is easy when it doesn't affect you.

Guys experience a ridiculous amount of social influence telling us that we win love by having the biggest dicks and being the best in bed. Sexual prowess is inscribed into the male ethos. It's bullshit, and I thought I was over it. Then, I had to deal with a real live woman challenging those feelings. I'd never actually dealt with it.

All this to say that it's completely on your boyfriend to recognize that his feelings are the product of what is essentially brainwashing, and aren't legitimate if he considers you as a person and not as "his girlfriend." It took me time and effort. I pitched a fit, my girlfriend listened and validated my feelings the first time, and then after a week or so of my whining she told me in no uncertain terms to knock it the fuck off. It took effort, but I did, and I can now honestly say that her sexual past doesn't bother me any more.

Don't hate your boyfriend for this - I don't think it's entirely his fault. But it is his responsibility, and you absolutely do not have to deal with it. If he can't learn this lesson now, with you, then he'll learn it with someone else, or he'll learn it alone. His call. You've done everything right.

Men are brainwashed by the patriarchy to have high standards and instead of refusing to date promiscuous women you should just, 'accept' their past. Otherwise you're a narrow minded asshole. I'm sure this won't come back to haunt him in the future.


[–]razormachine 163 points164 points  (33 children)

I told him that probably 5-10 of my foreplay experiences that I told him happened under these circumstance; that I was pressured into doing more than I wanted because I still didn't know how to tell a guy to fuck off

This is also pure gold. Apparently it takes a lot of time to learn how to say no.

[–]recon_johnny 149 points150 points  (7 children)

"Foreplay. You keep misspelling blowjob"

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[–]merkmerk73 15 points16 points  (0 children)

'Sleeping with' , 'been with' , 'messed around'

[–]Danedina 2 points3 points  (0 children)

a classic euphemism, because what is it "before"? Him shooting in your hair?

[–]NecroticFury 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Hookup culture has deep roots.

[–][deleted] 56 points56 points

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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If it's her fault it's rape.

[–]unassumingusername7 51 points52 points  (5 children)

Yea she was pressured and couldn't say no, then proceeded to put herself in the same situation with 4 - 9 other men.

And it's her boyfriend who's got a problem.

[–]razormachine 25 points26 points  (3 children)

After 4-9 other man she finally found out that she can say no BEFORE they stick a dick up her throat. :D

[–]mugatucrazypills 6 points7 points  (2 children)

OP fiance numbers have to be bullshit, you can tell that real numbers are x3 stated, 45 PIV and 100+ dicks sucked. Truly the town whore ( I mean slut).

[–]razormachine 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Well she honestly cant remember each and all of them. Either she has a crappy memory, or she was miss cumdump 2010.

[–]thewalex 9 points10 points  (12 children)

We were initially talking about PIV numbers, and my PIV number is lower than what my BF thought was "high, but not crazy high". But then I asked him if he was also considering foreplay, and he said he supposed he would feel the same about foreplay partners. Bam, my number doubles.

Then, a little bit later... an edit and clarification.

Fine.. 17 PIV patners, ~20 Foreplay partners

Last time I checked, 17*2 =/= 20

So I think either she was low-balling and gradually trickle truthing him to the real number of PIV partners. Or she's not good at Math... Or now she's under-representing the number of "foreplay partners" And I'm guessing foreplay is oral, anal, and

Who knows if she's left out ones that didn't count of fit into those categories, or ones that she regretted, or ones that happened while she was drunk.

Time and time again the advice of TRP for situations like this follows a recipe:
For the short-term, you should assume the worst and not ask. This is a question that you don't want a concrete answer to.

You, especially should not be the one to ask or bring up the subject!!

It pretty much breaks your frame even showing that you are persistent in discovering the discrete value. Along those lines you should not be volunteering a discrete value for your number. As TRP veterans say, amused mastery is key. Find a way to hint but not give an actual number if she brings it up and if she is persistent in getting answer from you. Give her some clues and let her mind and hamster race around trying to fill in the fine details.

He didn't tell me his numbers, but mine are a lot higher. I would guess that his numbers are very low.

Based on his reaction, she can tell his level of experience and number of partners is low. From her tone it sounds like she's lost respect for him.

Now personally, for any consideration as a LTR, it's helpful to know or at least have an idea what your partner's number is. You should be able to glean this information based on stories she shares or her behavior around other guys and at "no-judgement" ladies nights. Again, do not ask, and let your perception and deductive reasoning skills do the work.

Essentially, she's saved this guy the whole wedding, etc. by letting him know her true self early. He decided this was a dealbreaker, as I probably also would have (if not for the single mom, other red flags).

[–]ibangbang 8 points9 points  (1 child)

She means she had sex with 17 partners, and engaged in "foreplay" with "approximately" 20 additional partners. She doesn't say, but foreplay probably means "came on her or in her mouth."

It probably doesn't include an even higher number who made it to second base and no further.

[–]razormachine 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Essentially, she's saved this guy the whole wedding, etc. by letting him know her true self early. He decided this was a dealbreaker, as I probably also would have (if not for the single mom, other red flags).

This was 4 years into the relationship. :)

[–]thewalex 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Then it's good thing it wasn't any longer! :D And without marriage or additional kids he'd fathered, he'll be able to walk away easier with minimal legal repercussions!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Any guy with logic skills saves himself from the wedding.

[–]i2amahandmodel 3 points4 points  (2 children)

OK, First; we all know she is low-balling her numbers for sure. Second; don't ever LTR a single mom. That's just basic science. Third; beta bux. She ran the "love" scam. No woman will truly love a man except his mom.

Which one of you are red pilling up the comments section!? Just watch them in their natural habitat without disturbing them.

And if you are advanced enough you will see that the standard "dump the chump" advice is given by everyone (and it is the best thing she can do for the guy)

No one sees what she is truly asking. She wants advice on how to manipulate him back into being mr. provider and dropping the whole issue. There is no way she wants to break up. Why are they having this conversation 4 years later? You know he always suspected this of her and this isn't a new issue for him.

[–]razormachine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was 4 years into the relationship. O.o

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pulling a 100 bj train counts as foreplay, and 1 notch for her. Guaranteed.

[–]EvrythingISayIsRight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just another way women put their spin on it to make them look like the victim. Now you can't get mad at them, instead, you have to sympathize with them or else you're a jerk.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 938 points939 points  (75 children)

The biggest, angriest lie that keeps "beta" men in check is the belief that women need to feel some kind of emotional connection with a guy before they'll be willing to have sex.

When a loser man learns that his wife/girlfriend was a super-slut, who can't even name or remember over half the people she fucked or messed around with, it hits him like a truck. All of that crap about how a woman needs to feel safe, comfortable, special, loved, and emotionally intimate is bullshit. She fucked all kinds of guys she barely knew, just for fun.

Then it dawns on him even more: all of the times she rejected his sexual advances because she didn't feel special, comfortable, loved, emotionally intimate -- that was all bullshit excuses to cover the fact that she just plain didn't want sex with him at all. If she wants sex, she doesn't need any of that - she just fucks for fun. But she's not into him, so she uses those excuses - those lies he's believed his entire life - to hide her lack of attraction to him.

Then, he feels used, exploited, tricked.

[–]RedSugarPill 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Then it dawns on him even more: all of the times she rejected his sexual advances because she didn't feel special, comfortable, loved, emotionally intimate -- that was all bullshit excuses to cover the fact that she just plain didn't want sex with him at all.

This. When Margaret Houlihan tells Frank Burns "I have a headache", it's because she's disgusted by him (at the moment).

[–]Lumby 73 points74 points  (22 children)

all of the times she rejected his sexual advances because she didn't feel special, comfortable, loved, emotionally intimate -- that was all bullshit excuses to cover the fact that she just plain didn't want sex with him at all. If she wants sex, she doesn't need any of that - she just fucks for fun. But she's not into him, so she uses those excuses - those lies he's believed his entire life - to hide her lack of attraction to him.

Then, he feels used, exploited, tricked.

This is exactly why I'm still in the anger phase. I can't get over this and how my ex hopped right back on the CC after our three year relationship that ended with a dead bedroom.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 137 points138 points  (13 children)

It stings. She doesn't have a low libido. You just suck. So she strung you along, trickling out as little sex as possible just to keep the wheels greased and the benefits of the relationship coming -- shaming you for wanting sex the whole while -- until she had an opportunity to jump ship.

A story as old as time.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 77 points78 points  (4 children)

It's categorically comical how places like r-sex, r-relationshits, r-deadbedrooms, and r-askhamsters trumpet out the "low libido" excuse, and how many times men fall for it.

And anytime anybody suggests "it's not her, bro, it's you", they get downvoted, deleted, and banned.

[–]transitivecurves 41 points41 points [recovered]

And anytime anybody suggests "it's not her, bro, it's you", they get downvoted, deleted, and banned.

Funny isn't it, how everything wrong is the man's fault... right up until it's suggested that he's too beta.

[–]Joshua_Naterman 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Lots of guys are scared to admit they are currently inadequate at sex, often due to simple ignorance. They don't know that the moment they understand their current state is the moment the start down the road towards being excellent.

Kind of sad, especially when you realize that the only thing keeping them from rocking the bedroom is a few good books on sexual technique and being comfortable exploring his and her fantasies.

But no, it's apparently "easier" to keep their heads in the sand.

I think it's easier to take the temporary ego hit and become awesome so that there are no more issues, but that is hard to do when someone doesn't have a solid foundation for intrinsic self-confidence. Maybe they don't have a solid concept of 'who I am' so the ego hit is just too much for them.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (5 children)

My ex used the excuse "girls just don't wanna have sex as much as guys do" That was my first relationship of almost a year of no sex with a woman I thought I loved. What a joke

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 43 points44 points  (2 children)

We all have one or two of those.

In the women's defense, if you're dating an inexperienced girl, sometimes she doesn't know she's leading you on or that she's not attracted to you, because she's never lost herself in the moment, swimming with hormones, for a guy she really and truly lusted for. So she doesn't know that's how it's supposed to be. She thinks she likes you and will continue to think that until she gets wowed by a guy she's actually attracted to.

Sometimes, you'll be dating an experienced girl who thinks she's ready to settle down. She's never had a "mature" relationship before, so she thinks this lack of passion is how mature relationships are supposed to be. Fucking like crazy is for when you're young and stupid, while trickling out vanilla sex once a month that you're not really that into is "normal" for more "serious" relationships.

Women just don't know any better. Because their standards have gotten so out of whack due to the slut-wave of modern feminism. Now, a tiny fraction of really hot guys can fuck all of them, as they slut around shame and consequence-free, and the hawt guys don't have to commit to any of them. They're all left out in the cold, unable to find a man that they're both attracted to and able to snare into commitment. So the end up in a "mature" relationship with a guy they don't really want to fuck because it's better than being alone.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

because it's better than being alone And so I think we reach one of the root of the problem as well, in that women are afraid to be alone and not have the particular guy to string along when they can't get what they want. Thanks for your insight

[–]PanaReddit 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Did you dated my wife for one year?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, as far as I know she's not married yet

[–]MyReddit4 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I just don't understand this. I read post after post like this on TRP and it has no effect on me.

You will never get a straight answer from a girl about her n count

I guess I'm lucky in that thinking about this never remotely enters my mind. I don't care. I can't even remember all the girls I've been with and I only fondly remember a few.

Once you've been told I love you by a few girls in a row, you realize how common it is. Girls are great, fun, flippant, and flirty, but they are like a fine wine next to a great meal. Just a compliment to an already epic dish. It boggles my mind that people even ask this in relationships. Girls always ask me, I dodge the answer, and never reciprocate the question. She'll pick up on the idea.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And she jumped ship to another dude who was quite average or "below her", so that she could just do the bare minimum again.

[–]Algernoq 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yup. My dead bedroom experience included her shaming me for not reading her mind.

[–]PaBowbow 50 points51 points  (0 children)

That was simply beautiful. A gold bar of truth.

[–]md619 21 points22 points  (0 children)

A couple of clarifying points for readers because I know this confused the hell out of me when I first found the pill:

A girl doesn't need an emotional connection, i.e. beta buxs/comfort in order to feel attraction. All she needs is value (alpha fucks). And yes sometimes you can fuck a girl just by showing a lot of value traits and spiking her emotions. This is how you do shit like fuck a girl in the bathroom after 5 minutes of meeting her, or just drag a girl home at the end of the night out when she doesn't even know you.

However, every player knows it doesn't always work that way. A lot of girls do need some level of comfort to sleep with a guy. You WILL lose lays if you think the right thing to do is just plow with value 100% of the time. Comfort shit tests are a real thing.

I'm not saying you have to take her to dinner or write a fucking poem. Sometimes a simple "you know what, I actually like you" can go a long way IF you've already established that you're a high value guy.

By doing that, you're playing into her fantasy. Yes you're the high value alpha male, but she feels like she's winning you over. She thinks that maybe, just maybe, she can be the one to get you to change your ways. The reformed bad boy. And it's all because of her. Lol

That's what every girls wants. It satisfies her hypergamy on the deepest level. So as you go through your red pill journey of accumulating value, NEVER forget that comfort is still an important part of a woman's desire.

[–]Stationarity 18 points19 points  (0 children)

They need emotions, but not an emotional connection. In fact, I would wager that the guy who makes her feel "feelings" is, after the fact, ascribed connection status by the woman. When she finds out he wants to sleep with more women, she will argue about "our connection".

[–]mugatucrazypills 19 points20 points  (0 children)

it's hard to feel special or sexy when you find out you had to wait to fuck your present LTR longer than anyone else she ever fucked

it's a special gift from beta hell

[–]TheSupr3m3Justic3 118 points118 points [recovered]

Ding, Ding, Ding.

And this is what women will never understand until they are able to walk in our shoe's.

Being rejected by someone like that is painful to say the least, but then to find out she doesn't even know how many dick's have been in her mouth.....gut wrenching, Then cue up all the times she said no to sex, and probably wouldn't even fathom putting your dick in her mouth.....that would be more than enough to piss of the pope.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

you gotta give these women some credit. they believe their own bullshit lies.

when a woman tells you "I love you, I just don't want to have sex with you", she really believes her own lie.

[–]FortunateBum 32 points33 points  (1 child)

GREAT. FUCKING. POST.

Just want to add something. Read this:

Girls often experience crazy pressure when they're teenagers, and end up doing things they don't want to until they get to the point where they're able to tell guys to fuck off and leave them alone. I told him that probably 5-10 of my foreplay experiences that I told him happened under these circumstance; that I was pressured into doing more than I wanted because I still didn't know how to tell a guy to fuck off.

Ok guys, let's get real. When you were a teenager or young man, did you ever encounter a woman who had a hard time saying no? Never once did I. I got lots of rejection, due to trying a lot to play the numbers and I never met one woman who had a hard time rejecting me. I've never even heard of it or seen it. Women have no problem rejecting men and shutting them down. We've all experienced it. There's even a phrase, LMR, for when it comes at the last possible moment. No, any woman who talks about pressure, I just can't believe it. She did it because she wanted to do it. But with you? Fuck you. You're a chump. I mean, just read this part:

Oh, and his number is 7. That's not even as low as I thought. AND he's only been in a relationship with 3 people!!

She has absolutely no respect for this guy. She could barely imagine he could get laid before her.

My opinion? Every woman. EVERY WOMAN has had sex within an hour of meeting a guy. Why him and not you?

We're at the point where women have to defend themselves from TRP/manosphere criticism and they're not bothering. How about just admit the truth so we can all move on?

Women must be lying to themselves because if this woman was honest with herself and in touch with reality, she would've never told this guy her number or she would've lied about it.

Don't ask, don't tell. MGTOW. Don't marry.

[–]ckmtpm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My opinion? Every woman. EVERY WOMAN has had sex within an hour of meeting a guy. Why him and not you?

I don't think this is true. It really depends on the quality of women you're surrounding yourself with.

[–]Endorsed ContributorLastRevision 49 points50 points  (11 children)

When I reflect on this issue with my own personal experiences, I think about how Blue Pill me reacted to finding out a long term girlfriend was more promiscuous than I had thought.

If a man wants to be a good Blue Pill man, The Blue Pill reaction is to first filter it through the Progressive programming that promiscuity is equal opportunity/consequence for both men and women (anything else would be unfair!1), and that there is "nothing wrong with sex"; I don't judge my own promiscuous experiences harshly, I actually celebrate them, so it would be unfair of me to judge her experiences any differently.

But then... several anxieties creep into the picture. Beta anxiety is not something new, and once Western culture started inching toward less restrictions placed on women, it was something of a common theme as seen in movies like Dracula.

Suddenly, I was obsessing on whether these one-night-stands fucked her better than I did. Were they cooler than me? Did she like it more? Was his dick bigger??? (always a classic, of course).

It was interesting that I didn't seem to feel this way or care about her other doofus long-term boyfriends... only the guys she gave it up to without any hint of future commitment... and even if I had started out as one of those guys, I turned doofus when I committed. They were too cool to talk to her again, and I was metaphorically painting her toe-nails. Would they laugh at me?

I never had a problem being denied sex in a relationship, so I can't relate to that, but this anxiety that she had been with men who were too good for her and that I clearly wasn't one of them was troubling.

It was another odd sore spot that she had been with more men than I had been with women, certainly on the level of promiscuous sex. How could she ever really respect me if she had more sexual experience than I had? At least in a "f-count with different people" kind of way.

Lastly, if you buy-into The Blue Pill love story, you're gonna feel silly putting a chick guys used as a human condom on a pedestal.

All of these reasons are why promiscuity should have remained a social taboo... Men could stay Blue Pill without suffering tremendous consequence, and relationships would be tremendously more successful and happy.

But... that's not the world we inherited. The Red Pill is necessary.

I now understand that the competition anxiety I felt wasn't truly thinking anyone fucked her better than me- the most I'll commit to is that maybe her other partners would be different flavors of the sex rainbow- but that I had wifed up a girl that other men had only used. In wifing her up, putting her on a pedestal, becoming beta in a long term relationship by buying-into love and domesticity, I had anxiety knowing that she had been with men who will always remain hot, sexy, Alpha fucks to her... and even if I had started out that way, I had become a beta bucks almost by default... and I could not mentally handle this.

I posit that this is why unconscious beta, Blue Pill men always seem to lose their shit when they find out their girlfriend has had a tremendous amount of promiscuous sex... Those "Alpha bad-boy" men are now more respected by her by default. After all, you bought the cow, they just fucked it and had a good laugh.

Now, my Red Pill self isn't taken by surprise by this, nor do I feelings of anxiety over this, nor do I allow it to break my frame... those feelings have been replaced by disgust.

So instead of falling into a trap of anxiety in a long term relationship, I avoid them all-together because wifing up a human condom is fucking gross.

[–]Jagrnght 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Remember this: sex is necessary because we die. Sex and death are a couplet. I think too much thought about sex gets in the way of living. It's fundamentally anxiety provoked. It can be fun, yes, but not when it's become a medicine for a deeper illness. Then it's just another pill.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

but that I had wifed up a girl that other men had only used

So instead of falling into a trap of anxiety in a long term relationship, I avoid them all-together

So true, because most women now know better than to reveal their true sexual past. Why always have to wonder in the back of your mind if you ended up paying for the cow that everyone else milked for free.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Holy crap this hit home for me. My whole life I was taught and raised to buy into the blue pill story. I don't even know if I'll be able to escape my beta self because the way my family is (all very close and friendly) but wow did this hit me right in the heart. I will never again put pussy on a pedestal. Mind if I PM you sometime for some advice/mentoring? I feel like I could really relate to what you said and how you phrased it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I don't even know if I'll be able to escape my beta self

Buddy, the fact you just came to that realization is all the more reason that you're going to start trying, right now.

[–]Endorsed ContributorLastRevision 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sure! I have a blog too, btw, KillToParty.com

[–]slothsenpai 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"HURR DURR MEN ARE JUST INSECURE"

In an long-term intimate relationship, people just simply want to feel valued regardless of gender. That's what a lot of women (especially feminists) do not understand. A woman withholding sex with her loving boyfriend, whom she easily gave it way to random strangers is akin to a guy who bought countless gifts for other girls as well as giving them attention/validation, whilst not providing his current girl with any. No one likes to feel cheap. If you truly love somebody, you make an effort to go the extra mile for them.

If I ever get into an LTR someday or find the one, then I want to provide her the very best like I wouldn't do with all my past partners.

[–]menial_optimist 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The truth generally pisses people off. The best thing any young man can do is look forward to & willingly accept the truth, and act accordingly even if it shatters your young worldview or beliefs. The older you get the harder it is to adopt this mentality, but it is not impossible.

[–][deleted] 87 points88 points  (1 child)

This post is so good I actually stood up and gave you a standing ovation after reading it. The realization I had when I finally figured this out hit me like a ton of bricks. At first like you said I did feel betrayed. But also later I it was kind of a relief, I realized I didn't even have to try half as hard to get laid, I didn't need to make some "emotional connection". I could just want to fuck and know what I want.

[–]Plain_Tostitos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great comment, perfectly stated

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The biggest, angriest lie that keeps "beta" men in check is the belief that women need to feel some kind of emotional connection with a guy before they'll be willing to have sex.

And that emotion is raw, unrestrained, feral desire.

[–]setzer_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah this is so on point, great post.

[–]razormachine 132 points133 points  (12 children)

Except it's hard for a 29 year old, single mother of 2

Whoaaaah... you should have mention that on the start :D

[–]cassandrita[S] 92 points93 points  (7 children)

Well to be fair she didn't even mention she was a single mother of 2 into halfway into her second post. It's not something she's proud of.

This guy can do way better.

[–]razormachine 21 points22 points  (5 children)

I bet she didn't tell him about those 2 gifts from chat at the start either :D

And yes I think he can do better.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I'm sure he knew they didn't come from the stork

[–]razormachine 13 points14 points  (3 children)

A lot of "ladies" out there are hiding the presents until they have the guy on the hook.

[–]mugatucrazypills 5 points6 points  (1 child)

hard to hide them till after marriage

[–]razormachine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not after the marriage. When humans fall in love they tend to ignore partner's bad sides. She probably got his ticker started then let him know about Chad Junior.

[–]McLarenX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Everything is a construct. We all need to be viewed as rainbow colored blobs.

[–]SerKevanLannister 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have to say that I would have run away screaming at two kids plus seventeen+ piv sexual partners. And I am in my forties...this guy is a decade younger and this woman (even younger) has over seventeen piv partners AND guys whose names she can't remember plus two kids?!? It sounds like Clerks (the Kevin Smith indie film from the 90s) when the dude finds out that his girlfriend, who has had pix sex with like three guys or something not that earthshaking, has given approx. 38 blowjobs.

[–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 90 points91 points  (4 children)

Makes me think she's lying about her number too.

makes you think?

You can bet your life on it and go to sleep knowing you are safe.

[–]McLarenX 35 points36 points  (3 children)

I like how she conveniently didn't mention if those two kids were from the same dad or a past LTR (she would have to save face.) Chances are, tons of Chads have shotgunned in her pussy and the paternity is unsure.

[–]aherne18 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Plus even if confronted with the real number, she only made an "estimation":D This is her hamster against being honest with herself and admit the number is UNKNOWN, as for any other empowered woman. Too bad for her kids being born...

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Chances are, tons of Chads have shotgunned in her pussy

Thanks for that mental image.

[–]abdada 171 points172 points  (2 children)

I am the Patriarchy and I approve this message.

[–]CisMalePatriarch 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Hey now that is my department.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (1 child)

She's right, it is average. But what is our going belief here? The average woman isn't really worth our commitment. She's a slag that hops from one dirty dick to the next but expects the world.

[–]ionforge 44 points45 points  (8 children)

I hate how this girls say they get pressure when they where a teenager, then you find out all of this happened when they where 22 years old.

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[–]notevenatthestart 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I think men have a 'second puberty' at around 25-30 that actually creates 'adult'-like thinking in a greater proportion of men than in women

Definitely. Men have the capacity to continue to grow and to better themselves, if they don't get held down by the soft and the weak.

A man at, say, 35 can be at the height of his game. He's fit and healthy; he understands the world around him and both respects himself and is respected by others; he's a master of some things, a skilled practitioner of others and he comes to a new challenge with the confidence of a lifetime of experience and an open mind to learn more. He isn't frightened or scared. He doesn't cower and hide. He knows when to use his brain, when to use raw strength and when to use both.

He is formidable and brings the whole world into his frame.

It'd be wrong of me to list all those qualities of a man and not respond with a similar one for women, though. Women have vaginas.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

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What is this?

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (11 children)

37! My girlfriend sucked 37 dicks!

[–]zo34 8 points9 points  (0 children)

[–]stdTrancR 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I would be really upset if there was no mention of clerks here, glad that everyone is on the same page.

[–]Philhelm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hopefully she tried to not suck a dick while writing her post.

[–]markfeel 84 points85 points  (2 children)

My two kids

INTO THE FUCKING TRASH IT GOES

[–]notevenatthestart 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I decided to read through the two posts before I read OP's analysis. I burst out laughing when I got to that bit. For some reason, I hadn't seen it coming, but, yeah, it made absolute perfect sense. Of course she has two kids.

You gotta feel bad for the guy in this case though. He was pretty fucking stupid but he didn't know any better; he believed all the lies, did everything he'd been told he was meant to do. I'm glad for him that it looks like he got away, though.

The scary thing is that he was only saved by her getting cocky (that's "cocky", not "cock" which is something else she was apparently getting a lot of). If she was a bit smarter and had said "only 3, sweetie" and stuck to that story no matter what happened, then he'd probably have believed it and she'd have tied down a nice plump beta to live off.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Two kids by I'm guessing two guys. Odds are she can't say for certain who the fathers are. I think a visit to the Maury Show is in order.

[–]aga080 37 points38 points  (2 children)

lmaooo. i stopped reading after 2 kids.

[–]Miheegz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I know right, it all came together reallll quick

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (3 children)

The boyfriend is fucking hilarious. Soon as he learned her number he switched on her real fucking quick. HardOnHoes2k15.

[–]fullhalf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yea even though he's desperate enough to marry a woman with 2 kids. he still can't take the fact that she's a whore. yay feminism!

[–]Stythe 26 points27 points  (5 children)

The guy saying guys are brainwashed and its not her bf's fault he feels that way is an idiot. He's right about one thing, its not his fault he feels that way. His feelings are valid. Any girl I know with a heavy partner count is damaged goods. I have friends whom I've watched try and love their boyfriends, but they just can't. Its a giant mess if tumultuous bullshit and then it unravels and its over. This was my story with my ex as well. The damage, the fear of being inadequate, the mental (and potentially physical) issues, the drama, the self-entitlement and false self-worth if "I'm so cool because I get mad dick," it destroys them. I feel bad for them. Completely unaware and genuinely hurting inside, if not completely isolated from their emotions. But they won't listen or take advice. The older I get, the farther they sink. Drugs and alcohol are common. But they all keep wanting to be loved, then shoving it away, and they dont uderstand why it happens, because they genuinely believe they're worth the investment. They don't see it from the other side.

Side note: Dante's girl isn't with him in the sequel.

[–]netgrey 13 points13 points [recovered]

Other other side note, Kevin Smith is a huge beta who probably gets off on cuck shit.

[–]Stythe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know, I boned his date while he whacked off using his tears as lube.

[–]The_TRP_Account 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Just a couple things on the Bonus Beta Comment:

I can now honestly say that her sexual past doesn't bother me any more.

When people use the phrase "I can honestly say", it precedes something they're lying to themselves about. It's a tool for repression and denial. If it were true, they'd just say it. But they need to tack on that little qualifier to hold down the truth they know deep down. That's my theory, anyway. Feel free to observe it being used and see whether you agree.

All this to say that it's completely on your boyfriend to recognize that his feelings are the product of what is essentially brainwashing, and aren't legitimate

.....

his feelings...aren't legitimate

Try saying that to a woman and see how things go! Think he would? No! It's okay to say about the boyfriend though. Because...

You've done everything right.

Well, big fucking surprise! OP getting told she did everything right! I've never seen that before!

[–]kanji_sasahara 14 points15 points  (0 children)

To quote Dave Chappelle "If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now, because you flooded the market with it. You've given it away too easily."

[–]Rasalom72 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Something that doesn't get factored in is how much she will compare him to one of her former Chads in bed, and how she will say he's not as good as So-and-so.... because it's not IF she will... it's WHEN.

[–]razormachine 13 points14 points  (0 children)

He will be required to provide support for her and Chads children (something that Chad didn't have to do). And at the same time she is going to rate him lower then Chad because Chad was better in bed.

Just reading this post has made a part of my brain yell to me "Run you fool!!!" :D

[–]GoldPisseR 2 points3 points  (2 children)

What about her performance man?Why do guys take on the sole onus of performance in bed?

[–]Rasalom72 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because, generally, men don't compare one woman with another in terms of better/ worse. For guys, it's usually different, but still fun.

[–]slay_it_forward 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For the same reason women take on the onus of being a slut. It's biology. They are the receptors of the cock. It's our job to fuck them good. If you don't, she'll find somebody who will. Read about the burden of performance by Rollo.

[–]sodainthewatercup6 60 points61 points  (62 children)

I consider that to be a high count for a woman's entire lifespan.

Edit: I know it's surprising to find a "low" n count like this these days, but I will no longer lower my standards just because societal standards for women have dropped.

[–]cassandrita[S] 57 points58 points  (22 children)

I don't understand if my parents were old school or what. But I was always taught, women's bodies were part of their 'status'. Those who give it away easily, are easy and not valuable. And can you blame this belief?

Women can get sex at the drop of a hat. Whenever I see some slut bragging about all the dick she pulls on tinder, I want to barf. It's not something to be proud of. It's why guys who are 'players' are admired. Because it is hard for most men to sleep with several women.

[–]Red_pills 46 points47 points  (13 children)

So I went out with two of my friends who are girls. They're good fun but completely AWALT. They talk to me very candidly and amaze me with some of the shit they say.

One of the girls split up with her ex about 3 years ago. She's 23 now, she showed me her Tinder and every guy she swipes right matches. Every single one. Then throughout the night she proceeded to tell me about maybe 20 guys she'd slept with in the last 3 months.

Her justification? This is so much more fun than having a bf. As much sex as I want with whoever I want. The only thing is I know a couple of the guys she slept with. They said she was horrific in bed and one guy said she even checked her instagram during!

She feels so 'special ' that she can do whatever she wants yet I can see already her pair bonding skills are gone. The problem is now most girls are being told this is all part of being a strong independent woman.

More and more reasons not to LTR these days and just to keep spinning plates!

[–]TheReformist94 5 points6 points  (9 children)

When I see stuff like this,I have problem believing women are less polygamous than men.I think they are polygamous,but in a hypergamic way.why else would a woman fuck 20guys in 3mobths? This may be projection,but even tho women supposedly value commitment and less cut out for casual sex,with a 1/17 the amount of testosterone,this is promiscuous,even for a man.i have a hard time this is just a series of failed attempts at securing commitment

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (6 children)

women do whatever the fuck they are told to do by the owners of society. watch that baseball game vid from a couple days earlier. stupid cunts taking pictures of themselves all. day. long. that's all they do besides getting wasted and taking dick. I'm pretty sure you could make women do the most batshit insane things and have them accept it as normal if presented with enough authority, confidence and status.

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[–]shigydigy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And thank you for your insight.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

you're on the red pill. What that probably means is you have traditional parents, and you actually listened to them. Then you ended up being depressed as fuck because what you wanted the world to be and what the world is were exact opposites. You have to reject what your parents taught you because their world is not our world.

[–]scamper_22 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If there's one thing I've learned about it is that a lot of them tend to speak up mainly for the opposite.

For example. A hot girl generally won't walk around saying I'm hot and you're not. It's self-evident she is hot.

Watch what a girl is promoting and you will probably find what she is ashamed about.

The latest one I realized was a couple sisters who talk at length about money does not mean class. Yet, I spent some time with them and realize they have money, but very little class. They're not refined or classy. But I get it. They came from poor rowdy family and are ashamed of it somewhat. But now they're rich. It must be tough being of a certain monetary class without the behavior to go along with it. So that is their front.

[–]trpwangsta 33 points34 points  (20 children)

Ha! Dude this count is nothing. Finding a girl with under 20 partners is winning the fucking lotto nowadays.

[–]McLarenX 12 points13 points  (13 children)

I refuse to date Western European or American girls. It's acceptable in the culture to hoard dicks and lie about it. They're fucking plates, that's all

[–]yaardi 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I refuse to date Western European or American girls

Hate to break it to you, but Eastern European women are not ladies with low n-count either.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (8 children)

all indians are more spiritual, all asians are great at math too

Has anyone told you about the easter bunny yet?

[–]McLarenX 6 points7 points  (7 children)

What? Western women are junk. Quit your feminist bullshit.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

I'm talking about your foreign unicorns, stop being a tool

[–]slay_it_forward 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I've been around the world. The grass really is greener. If you think not, you haven't done much traveling.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Circumnavigated the globe, deployed overseas often, navy will do that. Coatia, Italy, panama, mexico, the US, thailand, Japan, Korea, chenai india, UAE, Oman...

soon as you wern't american, were white, spoke english, the korean girls acted just like they would here for Chad. Croatian women were just the same, only difference is they shit tested you hard first. I'm not new son.

Different flavours in my experience, but generally the same recipie. Though assuming you're from the US, I'm inclined to agree with you. Those were my least favorite women... world wide.

[–]jiveraffe 13 points13 points [recovered]

Basically: more cocks than sexually active years = broken slut.

A few possibilities I can think of:

  • incessant need for male attention
  • can't keep a man
  • can't stay faithful

So daddy issues, batshit, and more daddy issues? I've yet to figure a rule of thumb for acceptable cock numbers.

[–]toybrandon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You know what, that's your choice. The number doesn't bother me at all. It's the other things that get under my skin. Try tripping on me and making me sit and roll over like a good beta and I'm fucking gone. I know they tell each other that we are supposed to be good little bill-paying lap dogs, but I don't give a fuck. Respect me as a fucking MAN and provide your share of value to the relationship or hit the fucking road. Pussy washes off: crazy is a bit more sticky.

[–]Elodrian 27 points28 points  (7 children)

Fine.. 17 PIV patners, ~20 Foreplay partners.

That doesn't seem like double. That means she fucked 85% of the guys she messed around with. Makes me think she's lying about her number too.

17/37 is 46%, not 85%. Her story checks out.

[–]M3_Drifter 8 points9 points  (1 child)

17 PIV sex partners

37 oral sex partners (Including the above)

How many guys have had their tongues down her throat? 80?

[–]Mintaka7 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think he included the 17piv in the 20foreplay.

[–]SureAviator 23 points24 points  (6 children)

Wait up, wait up, wait up...people are defending her despite the fact that she's a single mother with TWO kids. She's had sex with 17 guys and sucked off 20+ more dicks, she couldn't say "No" to a guy so just "begrudgingly" sucked him off, comes from a shitty family, has daddy issues and the guy wants out? Oh and get this, the way she spins it is...wait for it..."Sex positive"?

http://nowstreamingpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/ibudadhD4f0xv5.gif

[–]fullhalf 4 points5 points  (2 children)

it's fucking crazy how many bullshit phrases feminists came up with to excuse their bullshit. sex positive means sluts are ok. body positive means fatties are ok. fuck that.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 10 points11 points  (1 child)

  • We are messaging now and he is currently telling me that I wouldn't even recognize a guy I'd been intimate with if I saw him. I'd have to pick him out of a dick lineup.

lol.

[–]unassumingusername7 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Expected a dick lineup. Glad to be wrong.

[–]myprimetime 12 points12 points [recovered]

For me partner count is very important for serious dating. Honestly, I don't give a shit how many guys you've been with if it's just a hookup...but if you want commitment, I want it to be special for you, I don't want to be just guy #X.

Now I might be a hypocrite since my partner count is at 45 right now. But it's precisely because of this that I'm so picky for dating. Sex is easy, and for women it's even easier. The apps make it possible for them to live out their wildest fantasies with no repercussions. They can get a bunch of alphas to stick their dicks in them on a very short notice.

And it fucks with their little minds.

A woman with a high partner count will have very unrealistic expectations of her worth. Just because a few desperate 8s stuck their dick in you, doesn't mean you actually warrant an 8 for dating. But they dont' see that. They think that if a high value male used them to get off, that suddenly that's what they are worth...which means unless you are willing to date well below your value, that she'll always think like she is doing you a favor and is settling for you...which fucks up the balance of a relationship.

And the more guys she's been with, the higher the chance that she was alpha widowed. Which means she'll always resent you for not being that guy. BTW, she'll ALWAYS view that guy through rose tinted glasses. He might have been a 5'7 analyst making $60K/yr at a bank with a 5 inch penis who only lasted 2 minutes. But over years through her memories, he'll change into a 6'0 adonis investment banker millionaire with a 8 inch penis that banged her out for a good hour. So even if you are better than the guy actually was, you'll never be able to compete with the distorted version that she remembers.

Women are the gate keepers of sex, and men are the gate keepers of commitment. If you can get easy sex, then you need to be extra picky about who you decide to give your commitment to. And partner count is a very good filter for quality values.

That's why they are all lying about their numbers. If casual sex was no big deal, they wouldn't have to lie about it, they would just say outright...yes I've fucked 20 men. What of it? But instead you get "oh it's been 3-5 and all of them were serious boyfriends".

[–]BrunoOh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And they will compound their lovers, too. Say one guy was ripped, one was extremely witty, one was 6ft4, another made $150k a year...then she'll feel she has settled if you are nowhere near one of those things.

[–]2popthatpill 48 points49 points  (52 children)

17 is probably below average for a 29yo woman.

[–]ThePillIsRed 72 points72 points [recovered]

It still doesn't make it acceptable if you want a LTR.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Right? I only get to LTR ONE person, I don't want a fucking slut to be my life. Fuck that.

[–]2popthatpill 33 points34 points  (13 children)

Indeed. I'm consistently shocked when I come here and read supposedly "red pill" guys who downplay the importance of N count on LTR worthiness.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (11 children)

not downplay, get to the root.

The why matters more than the number. e.g. girl married at 18, divorced at 25, gets 9 dicks in the first 3 months of divorce

25 year old with 1.25 ducks a year since she was 17. serial monogamist.

10 vs 10 tell me which one is the fucking psycho? What about earlier, when it was 10 to 3?

numbers are a symptom, the reason is what matters

[–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 7 points8 points  (3 children)

You are blind dude.

25 year old with 1.25 dicks a year since she was 17. serial monogamist.

That SPECIFICALLY says she has mental issues and is not worth LTR. IF the number is not 0.75 x sexually active years or lower, then she is incapable of maintaining a normal relationship, for whatever reason.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

doesn't matter, neither is LTR material

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 3 points4 points  (1 child)

At the same time, the one with a dozen monogamous LTRs is someone you definitely should not wife up - she's ended a dozen LTRs - what makes you think that you're that special?

[–]R1fle 27 points28 points  (2 children)

I dated a hot girl off OKC a couple times. On the first date she said she had been with 25 guys. She was 23, one year from getting her Master's degree. She travels a shit ton. She lost her virginity when she was 18 (starting college for the first year). 5 years, 25 different dudes. This girl was everything too, any guy would consider her wife material if they didn't know that number.

For her Master's she's spending a year at the University of Edinborough in Scotland (she's from Miami, and we had met in Toronto, Canada). So this chick basically just uses her parents money to travel all over and take heep tons of dick while furthering her education.

If she lies in the future about her partner count, it's well played on her part. Would do the same if I was an upper class white girl.

[–]NecroticFury 16 points17 points  (0 children)

These girls are raking it in. I know a couple myself. Every year they have anywhere from 2-5 fully funded trips around the globe. Their entire friend group will go too, for about a week or two, until school gets back in session.

Did I mention the mysterious ego boost they usually return with?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

it comes out, almost always does.

errant email, former lover comes out of the woodwork, college friend opens her mouth, spouse gets drunk, gets a little too honest.

kicking the can down the road

[–]Ganadorf 23 points24 points  (10 children)

Extremely below average. I know some very young women, around 20-24 years old, who have slept with 30+ guys. If a girl is an 8+ she can easily get laid by 50 unique men before age 25

[–]slay_it_forward 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She doesn't need to be 8+. A 5 can banged out just as quickly as an 8. That doesn't mean either should or that the fact that you know some power sluts makes the average of notches for a woman 30+

[–]Interversity 8 points9 points  (6 children)

The average sexual partners projected over our generation's lifetime is 8-10. 17 is about double the average.

[–]kanji_sasahara 14 points15 points  (5 children)

You mentioned generation, which doesn't differentiate from men and women. I want to find out both the median and the mean for men and women separately, but I have an inkling that the average for girls is much higher than guys.

Edit: Would have to exclude gays because good lord gay guys get around. Well at least in NYC due to the significant number of gay bars and clubs.

Edit 2: Also have to isolate differences by DMA, since sexual market place can vary wildly depending on demographics.

[–]yaardi 6 points7 points  (1 child)

We'll never get to see truthful statistics about this, because, well, people lie, even when they're anonymous.

[–]NecroticFury 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is, the data of course says the opposite. Women refusing to admit their number and all.

Literally the researchers stated that as a reason why the data is inconsistent with mathematical reality.

[–]Interversity 1 point2 points  (1 child)

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n.htm

http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/FAQ.html#number

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/very-short-men-have-fewer-sex-partners/

https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=wiqvBgAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA97&dq=sexual+promiscuity+number+partners&ots=SngRbznPCU&sig=hvNJE1qgUa-ulkNEbIpSrnqUGxs#v=onepage&q=sexual%20promiscuity%20number%20partners&f=false

All the actual information I can find suggests that men have at least as many, if not more partners on average than women (which obviously doesn't work out mathematically, so there's something else confounding), and also that avg. sexual partners has actually dropped for both genders since the two previous generations (Y and Boomers).

[–]Interversity 7 points8 points  (5 children)

The average sexual partners projected for the current generation falls between 8 and 10. 17 is well above average.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

And because the real number is always at least three times the declared number -- she's bounced on at least 50 pelvii.

[–]colovick 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And if you adjust that for bell curve attractiveness? You're not looking at 5 and below, probably not even 6's.

[–]MashkaTekoa 6 points7 points  (12 children)

Waaaaaay below average. I know 17 year old girls with higher counts than that.

[–]Interversity 5 points6 points  (11 children)

Average for millennials over lifetime (projected) is 8-10. 17 is actually pretty well above average.

[–]MashkaTekoa 3 points4 points  (9 children)

I'd really like to know how this data was gained, how they got their samples, what factors they used in their projections, etc...

To be honest I've been living like a complete lowlife depressed loser these past 4 years and still managed to have sex with 14 girls since Oct 2012 (maybe my lifes not so bad after all) so maybe there's an epidemic with people spending too much time on computers/mobile devices.

Maybe it's a regional/occupational thing too? Perhaps a fitness instructor in NYC will likely have more partners than a guy who fixes roofs in a conservative small-town bible belt community?

I'm just curious what other factors can be highly influencing the data. Average for one sample group may not be the same for another. My anecdotal experience based on the women I know in L.A. tells me 17 is below average for a 29 year old.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'd really like to know how this data was gained

Sum of the lies divided by the number of lies.

[–]Interversity 2 points3 points  (7 children)

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-05/sdsu-caa050415.php

30,000+ people surveyed, longitudinal study conducted over 30 years (1972-2012). Average number of partners for millennials found to be 8.26.

[–]TheReformist94 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fucking hell,you serious.17 cocks is below avg...thats depressing.

[–]ZioFascist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

lol, this shit is like a documented evidence of the collapse of society

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

2 kids?

did him a favour. Let her hamster run, doesn't affect anything

[–]bloodfoxtrue 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The folks defending the oh-pity-me-woman, and bashing the guy:

Your boyfriend needs to grow the fuck up.

Yeah, he should... he should walk off ASAP. There wouldn't even be a discussion if the skank didn't want to keep her meal ticket.

If he can't learn this lesson now, with you, then he'll learn it with someone else, or he'll learn it alone. His call.

Yeah no kidding cuck, of course it is his call: she's the one that wants him back. And heck, better to go at it alone, if it is indeed true the kids aren't his.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She's almost 30 with two kids already and she is just now discovering that a high partner count is repulsive to men. This girl has a lot to learn...

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She knows. She is just playing dumb.

AWALT.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Nothing good ever came out from talking about past sexual experiences.

Just spin plates, there are no unicorns.

And remember, "as you are spinning her, she's spinning you".

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a valuable truth to be learned for women from the post:

He was always so sex positive. But he said that just because he was okay with it, doesn't mean that's what he wants for himself.

If more women would understand this simple truth, there would be less "free sex" for Chad.

[–]ILoveSunflowers 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I told him that my original number included every awful teenage experience, because I was just trying to not lie, but that most people I know wouldn't have included it.

can we all just appreciate how little insight she(AWALT) has into the average male experience let alone, our psyche's?

[–]MagicGainbow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wish people would stop referencing Chasing Amy, it was written by an obese nerd that would count himself lucky to get any girl.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm sex positive. Im postiive that women have sex. I've been the guy she had a one night stand with numerous times, that she said "I never do this" or "this is so unlike me". Why should I think I'm some special snowflake and more guys like me didn't come through? On that note, why should I think alot more guys like me didn't come through?

It's said here often it's just your turn. There are girls out there with lower partner counts. My rule? Less than mine, preferably half mine. I partied hard in college and I still do, a respectable woman does not have those kinds of numbers. Mine aren't even that high, but respectable women don't hit them.

[–]SupALupRT 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"my life is the joke from clerks.". LOL

[–]J2501 7 points8 points  (1 child)

"Actually, his life is Chasing Amy - the one where an insecure guy freaks out, interrogates the woman and ruins a great thing due to his petty jealousy and immaturity."

I wouldn't consider helping a worn-out hamster raise her two kids 'a great thing'... Not when there are fine-ass virgins turning 18 every day...

[–]neptunesunrise 4 points5 points  (4 children)

This confuses me. Why do these women stop sleeping with their husbands? I admit I've slept around, but I'm a horn dog; I'm just as turned on by my boyfriend as I am by any other guy. A hot guy is a hot guy.

[–]BrunoOh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because you are with a guy you are actually attracted to.

Women will marry guys they aren't attracted to, just like how men will fuck women they would never commit to.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There is a special place reserved in the mind for "the new".

[–]LionLaw 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don't be a beta bux.
Be an Alpha Fux.
Commit to no one but yourself, that way when she confesses to being a whore or fucks up you can drop her and her holes without a second thought

[–]Lumberjack1234 6 points6 points [recovered]

I have a controversial opinion about this. I think the biggest problems these guys face is the high difference in sexual experience and attitude towards sex.

A guy, even by /relationships standards has the right to be angry when he finds out that his "SO" has a vastly different view on sex. And I agree with this.

Personally, I don't like prudes or virgins. I banged two virgins and had sex with some reluctant prude girls and it sucks. I fucked raging sluts and while the sex was amazing, the mental instability that comes with it, is too much for me to handle. I have found out that I have the most fulfilling relationships with girls with moderate experience 2-10 partners, 100+ number of sex acts (with those 2-5 partners). I am entitled to my preference and so are guys with limited experience.

If you want a girl who treats sex and intimacy the same as you, no amount of feminist bullshit should convince you otherwise.

You will never hear experienced men complain about the number of partners. There are 3 reasons. 1 - they can smell a slut a mile away and never comit to her, 2 - he is so secure and awesome that he can tame even a slut (rare), 3 - her number, even if high for most guys, is nowhere near close to his.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's one thing I agree with you here with. And that is, with more partner count, the higher the mental instability. Where I differ is hookups having zero effect on a woman's psyche. 100% untrue.

[–]Steve_Wiener 30 points31 points  (8 children)

Well she got what she wanted form reddit at least: an army of white knight bitches and feminist sluts making her feel better about sleeping with SEVENTEEN men and blowing several more. (and the double team at that party only counts as one)

She said her number including non PIV was 34. There were 32 people in my graduating class. I'm just imagining my graduation where every person there was a guy who got w this girl. Pretty funny.

[–]yaardi 12 points13 points  (2 children)

She said her number including non PIV was 34. There were 32 people in my graduating class. I'm just imagining my graduation where every person there was a guy who got w this girl. Pretty funny.

It amuses me to fill a girl's former sexual partners in a vehicle. If they're like 4 or 5 they can fit in a regular car, just some bros in a car. This girl can get her exes in an ordinary city bus.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It is hilarious she doesn't know how many men have been in her mouth.

An "approximate" number. Who knows what the real margin of error is; +/- 10%? 40%? 150%?

It's no wonder men aren't getting married. Forget the fringe TRP, MGTOW, MRA philosophies. Even in my beta-bitch days (yep, worse than a standard beta) I would have been instantly turned off by such a loose woman who literally lost count. Now I understand that because women live in the moment with no cares about the next 3 seconds, let alone 3 years, the idea of them losing count of the number of guys she got on her knees for is easier to understand. There is not foreward thinking with women. Only the moment which matters. Which is reflected in her attitude about her past. She truly believes her past does not matter.

[–]maddox45 11 points12 points  (5 children)

She's an amazing girlfriend, and it's his own stupid insecurity that fucks it up because he can't get past her having sucked a lot of dick.

Right? OP's number isn't what I'd consider "high." Her soon-to-be-ex is probably just butt-hurt that his is lower.

Spoken like a true whore, complete with a high number herself and a whole string of failed relationships behind her.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

She's an amazing girlfriend

  • 29 years old

  • 2 kids, single mom

How do you get to where you are? Because I'm seeing roadblocks. Though OP is insecure as fuck, otherwise he'd just leave instead of sitting around sulking

[–]slay_it_forward 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Don't forget road worn slut

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both posts are filled with excuses. "her number isn't that high" "I know right?" blah blah blah

[–]primaryobjective 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I only agree with half of the statement at the end. To have high standards is what you want for an LTR, though obviously if you're not looking for an LTR, I would not give two shits about their past.

You should always maintain emotional detachment LTR or not, and OP is right -- being emotionally attached is BP.

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[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Considering 7 is the median for men, that number doesn't seem unrealistic as its approaching 3x what men have. Whether that's a good thing is a whole other story.

[–]SCROTAL-SACK 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Her tears are giving me a chub. I love seeing a slut's life plans fall apart.

And she's a single mother too? lol, good luck finding someone else to pick up the tab.

[–]killcockrobin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All the comments telling her to leave him too. the 17 men plus the 20 plus blowjobs and oral and he's the badguy. The worst part is the culture that says its normal and if he doesnt approve, just dump him.. a nation raised by single moms has brought us here.

[–]Uptonogood 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What if as a guy, you actually and honestly don't know your number so you can compare?

I really don't know mine. Hell, I don't remember even the name of over 90% of them, and these were girls I spent loads of time with.

All I know, is that 17 is a way too big number for me to consider in a female partner.

Don't like it? There's another BB waiting for you in every corner. "My body, my rules" as they usually say.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is no consensus here as to what the n count number actually means other than n>x=slut. In my life (not yours or anyone else's) I feel the need to define for MYSELF what the equation means and not rely on others to define it for me. Of course, with experience, the values can change, but it's up to ME to change them. As much as I love TRP, some of you all are wack and I take what you say with a giant grain of salt. That said, the raw equation is sound. Here is where I am with it. "Slut" equals I shut off my heart and engage her with only my head and dick. If n>15, I will play this game. If n<15, I want to know about her last 3 relationships and forgive her the rest. My heart is "ajar". If n<5, she is probably 19 and too young for me anyway. When is my heart "open"? Haha. TRP taught me NEVER. This post was great. But great because I am discerning.

[–]Rus_s13 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Is it just me, or is 17 not really high for a 30 year old woman?

That's barely over 1 per year ox sexual activity.

[–]LegElbow 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Stupid way of looking at it.

Is a women who gets to the age of 30 without an LTR a woman of quality?

Women who have some quality, by the time they are 30 would have had multiple LTRs. That would decrease their numbers drastically.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Year, for a hot girl in our shit culture that is relatively low.

But is this a relative thing or an absolute?

[–]fullhalf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

long story but read it, it's worth it.

a similar situation happened to me and it destroyed me. it was my first love, i was 17 years old. my gf and i went out with her female friend and some guys that i barely know and my male friends. her friend is still single and flirting with those guys. she runs around like an idiot flirting with them too like taking their hats and shit. they don't respond sexually, they are quite respectful. i was actually a tough guy amongst them. so i keep telling her to stand next to me and to cut it out but she won't. so when i drove her home i told her about it and she refuse to stop doing it. yea, she was just stupid. so i broke up with her right there. this was on friday. then on sunday, her friend messages me and saids that she wanted to get back together. so i take her back. we both loved each other very much.

then like a few days later, i get an im from someone i knew in real life but only in passing. she was not on my buddylist. she goes, "your gf let guys feel her tits." i kept asking to explain and i just wouldn't believe her. so suddenly i get another im, it's a guy i don't know. i've actually seen him before but don't who he is. he tells me that she let him and his friends feel her titties and that she had nice tits. so i ask my gf if it's true and she confessed right away. let me tell you, that first time feeling, at such a young age, it was immense. this is what happened.

that saturday night, those guys(who she met from the female friend from the beginning) talked to her and somehow they asked her to hang out with them BUTTTTTT at 1am. yes, 1 fucking am. so she sneaks out of her house and gets in their car, it was 4 guys. one of the guys get out and let her sit in the middle in the back seat. so she's apparently depressed from the break up and not up beat with them or something. i'm honestly not sure 100%. either way, eventually she said that one of the guys in the back seat poked her titties. she didn't react bad to it so he starts feeling and squeezing. she lets it happen then the guy on the left join in. then the guy on the front passenger seat join in. the driver had a gf so he opted out. then they pulled up her shirt and basically just did what they wanted. luckily(or not so luckily) they were young and didn't go beyond that. they were probably all virgins and shit. sounds to me like they could've gangbanged her if they wanted to.

well, that girl who im me was a sad bitch and wanted everyone to suffer like her so she told everyone. so now, as a self respecting man, i just couldn't be with this girl who i loved. if she had fucked just one guy, i could've been ok with it. instead, she did it with 3 and everyone knows. she begs to get back with me. then for months after, i never accepted to going out with her but i just met up with her briefly then had sex with her. eventually, i was morally and emotionally drained from doing that and broke up with her for good.

then when i was 18, this was back in 2004. the pua scene was just picking up. it was disorganized and people just posted in forums. i pirated a seminar of david deangelo. he recommended a book called "sperm wars" by robin baker. the moment i read that book, everything was illuminated. i was redpill. it explained so many interactions that i had had with women leading up to that point. it all made sense(however, he reaches in some theories and should not be taken at 100%).

one of his theories was why men get horny when they realized they were cuckold. that's what happened to me with my gf. i think for like 5 years after, that shit was still making me horny and i just always reached for it to spank to. the reasoning being that when you realized your girl has been cheating on you, it makes you super horny so you can fuck her and cum buckets and engage in a "sperm war" with the guy who just fucked her. not 100% of your sperm is meant to enter the egg. most of it are warrior sperm meant to suicide with enemy sperm.

the book also explain why a dick is shaped like a mushroom and why a dick is big or small. the bigger the dick the better it can dig out enemy sperm during sex. that's why the moment you cum, your dick hurts so bad that it makes you stop pumping. you're not suppose to pump after cumming or it'll dig out your own sperm. when as you get soft in the pussy, the foreskin sheathe the mushroom head so when you pull out, it wont dig any sperm at all. see how amazing evolution is?

so the bigger the dick, the more sexual competition there is in a group of people. even today, black guys have the biggest dicks and it's not a surprise that black people cheat the most. for those who don't understand natural selection, let me clarify. lets say a group of people cheated a lot and there was sperm wars all the time. well, a guy with a small dick can not scoop out his enemy's sperm so he can only rely on his sperm warriors to win the fight. therefore, his chances of spreading his genes are less and less. eventually, the probability of a male born with a bigger dick goes up. genes don't pass on 100% that's why not all black guys are huge although it is more common amongst them. einstein and feyman's kids are just slightly above average intelligence even though they were geniuses.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

my question is: what do you do here?

most girls number are high becuse, fuck, lets face it. if any of us guys was getting pussy like they was getting dick we would have fucked the whole town by now ( well most of them. leave the uggos out)

what i'm trying to say is. It's something to keep in mind if her number is REALLY high. but why bother tripping over some shit like this... she's sucking YOUR dick now isn't she? if she sin't. well it's time to move on.

[–]toybrandon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The thing is, you should know when your in a mutually beneficial and sexually fulfilling relationship. The red pill is all about understanding when we have it good and when we are being fleeced. If the relationship is real and fulfilling and you are not being used, what would it possibly matter what her number is? Now, if it's just another symptom and signal that you are her meal-ticket meat-puppet, get the fuck out.

[–]therhymerr 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Rule of three gentelmen. if she says five it's really fifteen.

[–]St_OP_to_u_chin_me 1 point2 points  (4 children)

TBH I did bang a high PIV count I wouldn't trust a high PIV count.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Ten years ago I worked with a free-spirit kind of girl. This was back in my clueless BP days mind you. She had a long-distance boyfriend back home and was trying to give it an honest go. We started out as friends but inevitably moved on the FWB stage. At one point she told me her number which was 17. She had a kid at age 17 as well, the father died very soon after becoming a father. and she at one point tried being a stripper.

I had no idea about the Rule of Three back then. Looking back at my time with her I was aware of a few other guys at work being "friends" with her and at the time I didn't suspect anything. Just friends, right? Looking back it's pretty damn clear. And this wasn't even mentioning her guy "friends" outside of work I heard about. I short I was just one stop on her Carousel ride.

So her admitted number of 17 plus the two other guys at work, and the three guys outside of work I was aware of. Rule of Three x 17 = 51. Add in five more to that mix and her number was more like 55-60...at that moment in her 27 years of life.

After she moved away we kept in touch for a brief period of time. She mentioned how she met this great guy - clueless beta bux provider type - who was everything she always thought she wanted. It appeared that they were heading down the matrimonial path. Poor bastard. I sure hope he wised up and found TRP before putting a ring on it. I've lost touch with her but I imagine the predictable outcome: poor sap was cleaned out in the divorce no doubt.

But trusting a woman like this? You are correct. So completely irresponsible and only interested in the moment and how much fun she could have. Not to be trusted. Ever. And eating the box lunch is not be done either. EVER.

I think how lucky I was not to have caught anything from her. Sex was damn good and hot damn could she suck a cock. They get good with lots of practice.

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